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#239 - Immortal Technique · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: All right, man, Blueleg Cat Podcast, we got a special
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  Speaker 1: guest in here, A legend, immortal technique is here. Thank you, sir,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for having me on the show. Of course, Man,
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  Speaker 1: I first discovered your music, I want to say I
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  Speaker 1: was probably like fourteen or fifteen. It might have been
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  Speaker 1: the first revolutionary but I remember then I got to
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  Speaker 1: see you live in Phoenix. It might have been a
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  Speaker 1: revolutionary Volume two tour. Who'd you have on tour with
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  Speaker 1: you around that time? Probably a poisoned pen maybe Chino
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  Speaker 1: Excel mm hmmm, a few other cats. Yes, I got
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  Speaker 1: to see you live, and I saw I've seen I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I've seen you live a bunch of times over the years.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, man, you're an independent I would say, like
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  Speaker 1: a goat in the independent hip hop space. Man, there's
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  Speaker 1: not a lot of people who could be like Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Headline Festivals is an independent rapper, and I remember seeing
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  Speaker 1: you Headline Rock the Bells Rock the Bells Pay Due
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  Speaker 1: is one of those. I mean, I hold the record
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  Speaker 1: for some festivals for Uta from our old agency at
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  Speaker 1: United Talent, we did four festivals, sorry, three festivals in
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  Speaker 1: three different European countries which were nowhere near each other
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  Speaker 1: within a twenty four hour period. What I used to
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  Speaker 1: do probably about two hundred, two hundred and fifty shows
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  Speaker 1: a year. Now, obviously it's a lot less because I
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  Speaker 1: have other responsibilities. But unlike other artists who you know,
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  Speaker 1: no disrespect to the DJs, course focused a lot on mixtapes, right,
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  Speaker 1: I focused a lot on touring rather than mixtapes. So
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  Speaker 1: I may only have like one or two free mixtapes,
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  Speaker 1: but at the same time, I have like seventeen world
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  Speaker 1: tours under my belt. Right countries that people are like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, You've been to Australia, Tasmania, New Zealand,
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  Speaker 1: all these places, Romania, right you, Czech Republic, South America,
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  Speaker 1: all over the place, Morocco, Africa. Yeah, now you're worldwide, dude.
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  Speaker 1: I mean your music. I feel like your music was
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  Speaker 1: very like you know, I feel like I learned so
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  Speaker 1: much from your music as a kid because it was
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  Speaker 1: before I really had like readily like internet access, if
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  Speaker 1: that makes sense. So like some of the shit like
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  Speaker 1: about like our government or just the world, like I
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  Speaker 1: have first heard like you rapping about it. Do you
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  Speaker 1: hear that a lot? I mean, I think it was
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  Speaker 1: during a time in which people were living in a
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  Speaker 1: post nine to eleven world that was really fresh, and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of individuals were scared. They were looking for
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  Speaker 1: easy answers, looking for ways to blame people. And when
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  Speaker 1: I brought up things like, for example, that I made
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  Speaker 1: a post today because it's the twenty year anniversary of
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  Speaker 1: Senator Wellstone's death and a mysterious plane crash, and he
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  Speaker 1: was one of the only senators after nine to eleven
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  Speaker 1: that brought up the fact that bin Laden was a
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  Speaker 1: CIA asset. That was not something people wanted to discuss
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and two, right, that his code name
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  Speaker 1: and this is not a conspiracy, No, it's not a conspiracy.
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  Speaker 1: It's true. His code name was Timothy Osmond and that
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  Speaker 1: he carried out several acts and atrocities in the name
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  Speaker 1: of the United States government for their purposes, but not
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  Speaker 1: just that. Also, so talking to people in Afghanistan when
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  Speaker 1: I went there, he was responsible and took part in
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  Speaker 1: what they call the Hazada genocide, which is something that
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  Speaker 1: is going on now with the Taliban, and that's a
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  Speaker 1: series of Asiatic Central Asian people from Afghanistan and they
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  Speaker 1: were targeted for genocide. So before bin Laden ever killed
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  Speaker 1: any Americans. He murdered children outside of a city called
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  Speaker 1: Mazardah Sharif, and like, I went to Afghanistan in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and nine to build an orphanage in a school
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  Speaker 1: with the profits from an album that I had called
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  Speaker 1: The Third World with DJ Green Lantern. Sho shout out
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  Speaker 1: to my brother Green Lantern. I remember that yet and
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  Speaker 1: thank you for helping me with that Green Lance And
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  Speaker 1: he was somebody that believed in me and brought me
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  Speaker 1: up to the radio even when they were like, don't
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  Speaker 1: bring him the fuck up the Hot ninety seven. Now
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  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, he's a legend, but before they're like,
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  Speaker 1: don't bring him up here, he's crazy. I remember when
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  Speaker 1: you guys linked up because Green Lantern had kind of
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  Speaker 1: been like heavily associated with, like you know that mixtape
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  Speaker 1: era with Eminem and then like to you guys come together,
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of like dope because obviously, perception wise
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  Speaker 1: as a kid, you don't I didn't associate a Green
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  Speaker 1: Lantern and Immortal, even though it makes sense like musically
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  Speaker 1: and it was dope. But yeah, I think it, like
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  Speaker 1: like you said, like you pointed out so much stuff
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  Speaker 1: early because again, at that time, we didn't have access
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  Speaker 1: to YouTube and like jumping down a rabbit hole and
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  Speaker 1: it's like, wait a minute, what is he talking about? Like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think I think that you definitely, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in terms of shedding the light to a
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  Speaker 1: whole generation of kids who were just hip hop heads,
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  Speaker 1: you definitely did open their eyes to a lot of
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  Speaker 1: wild shit, man, and a lot of truthful shit. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And also I think that even to this day, there's
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  Speaker 1: songs that I've written that people still ask me questions about,
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm not gonna lie keV. Even twenty years later,
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  Speaker 1: people ask me, is Dance with the Devil a true story?
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  Speaker 1: And I have to look these people right in the
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  Speaker 1: eye and say, sir, I am not responsible for raping
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  Speaker 1: or killing any women. That is absolutely crazy. It is
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  Speaker 1: a song. However, Yeah, I can take people if they
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  Speaker 1: really want to, the building where this incident happened in Harlem.
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  Speaker 1: And the truth is that that actually did happen, and
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  Speaker 1: those people that were allegedly responsible for that began dying.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why it became such a powerful story because
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  Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, you're telling hood tales. What if these
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  Speaker 1: motherfuckers come back for you? And I said, let them
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  Speaker 1: what they're gonna do, Like you think that the neighborhood
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  Speaker 1: is gonna protect them after they find out what they
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  Speaker 1: really did, that they raped a woman. Do you realize
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  Speaker 1: that in rich communities you can get away with stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that, Oh their little kids coming in all hours
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  Speaker 1: of the night. No one says anything about billionaires. But
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  Speaker 1: if you live in the ghetto and someone says a
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  Speaker 1: rumor in the hood, oh, someone's touching kids in apartments,
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  Speaker 1: everybody from the neighboro the fuck is going on in
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  Speaker 1: your homes. So that's the kind of energy it was.
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  Speaker 1: And these people literally started dying, and one of them.
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  Speaker 1: We're not gonna mention names because these people don't deserve
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  Speaker 1: to be remembered in a good light, but this is
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  Speaker 1: a sad story. They couldn't find this man keV. And
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  Speaker 1: what I explained to people about the street is that
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  Speaker 1: there's no rules, just like there's no such thing as
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  Speaker 1: a safe gun. You have to respect everything. I'm a
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  Speaker 1: big Second Amendment guy, but you have to respect the weapon.
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  Speaker 1: There's no such thing as a safe gun. These people
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  Speaker 1: were out here thinking that they could get away with
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  Speaker 1: a crime and that they wouldn't be found, and they
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  Speaker 1: murdered this man's son to get him to come to
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  Speaker 1: the funeral so they could kill him. This is the
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  Speaker 1: type of shit that people were dealing with. That's one
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  Speaker 1: of your would you say that's your most popular song,
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  Speaker 1: It's like one of them, right, probably? Yeah. For people
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  Speaker 1: who have because there's gonna be people watching this YouTube
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  Speaker 1: video who subscribe, who maybe are not hip to your catalog,
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  Speaker 1: give us a break, Like for people who haven't heard
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  Speaker 1: Dance with the Devil. What is the premise of the record? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, without giving the entire thing away, I would
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  Speaker 1: say that it's definitely a very realistic tale of what
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  Speaker 1: happens when people feel peer pressured to commit violent to
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  Speaker 1: join a gang, or when they feel like they have
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  Speaker 1: to overcompensate for not being as tough as everybody thinks
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  Speaker 1: they is, and they commit violence and do horrible things
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  Speaker 1: to people to try to prove something to somebody. I
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  Speaker 1: remind individuals that are really living in the street, we
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  Speaker 1: don't deal with gratuitous violence. We deal with people that
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  Speaker 1: have offended or hurt us, who have come into our
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  Speaker 1: neighborhood and caused problems. The premise of going into another
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  Speaker 1: neighborhood and just trying to hurt people doesn't make sense now.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, even if you ask the essays that run
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  Speaker 1: each block, they'll be like, why would I start a
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  Speaker 1: war for no reason? But in New York City it
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  Speaker 1: was structured differently. It wasn't so much gangs, it was
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  Speaker 1: cruise back in New York. So if you heard about
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  Speaker 1: a story like this, it became an urban legend immediately.
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  Speaker 1: And not just that keV. It was that the story
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  Speaker 1: was always a little bit different. Instead of it being
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  Speaker 1: the guy's mom, it would be the person's stepsister, it
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  Speaker 1: would be the aunt, it would be someone related. When
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  Speaker 1: you have tales about, you know, murder or killing people,
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  Speaker 1: it's a grandized some sometimes in hip hop, to the
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  Speaker 1: point that you never really see the impact of what
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  Speaker 1: that is. Like. Even if y'all kill someone that's not
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  Speaker 1: a kid, if y'all kill someone that's thirty years old,
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  Speaker 1: you think that's not somebody's son. Of course, you don't
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  Speaker 1: think you have a target on the back, but you
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  Speaker 1: don't think that somebody's coming back for you. That's the reality.
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  Speaker 1: And more often than not, when people come up to
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  Speaker 1: me and they say, oh, do you think the guys
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  Speaker 1: from Dance with the devil, were really cursed by the devil,
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, they lived a horrible lifestyle where
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  Speaker 1: they thought they could get away with hurting people at random,
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  Speaker 1: and eventually it catches it not just to them, but
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  Speaker 1: to their children as well. M D. That's some real shit.
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  Speaker 1: You had so many records that were controversial. Did you
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  Speaker 1: ever like feel any pressure from like outside entities when
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  Speaker 1: you were tor in, because obviously you were. You were
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  Speaker 1: kind of like one of the few people I would
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  Speaker 1: say pre you cause I kind of attribute like YouTube
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  Speaker 1: to helping with a lot of people's education on certain
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  Speaker 1: situations because it's free and it's readily available, right, And
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  Speaker 1: I feel like when you first kind of came on
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  Speaker 1: the scene that wasn't necessarily the case. Did you get
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  Speaker 1: any blowback from like the government or did you ever
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  Speaker 1: have like a target on your back in terms of
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  Speaker 1: like just some of the things you were talking about,
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  Speaker 1: especially to the youth post nine to eleven, You know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. I've had several instants where police have
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  Speaker 1: come to my house homeland security. I didn't become a
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  Speaker 1: citizen until I was seventeen, so they brought an ice
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  Speaker 1: officer with them, as if that was supposed to intimidate me.
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  Speaker 1: But an individual such as myself is lawyered up the wazoo.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah ago, Like listen, I can't fight the system by
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  Speaker 1: shooting back at them. That's what they want. Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: unless I'm ready to go full Chris Dorner rest in peace.
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  Speaker 1: But if I am sitting there trying to get my
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  Speaker 1: point across and I don't want to be censored or
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  Speaker 1: I don't want people to control that aspect of the music,
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  Speaker 1: then sure I have to take those precautionary measures ahead
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  Speaker 1: of time of whatever I do. I think being mature
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  Speaker 1: enough to look back as a kid and know, hey man,
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  Speaker 1: these are some of the mistakes I made. These are
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  Speaker 1: things I could have done better. There are things I
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  Speaker 1: would have done differently now, Like honestly, I'm doing it
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  Speaker 1: one hundred percent alone. Now I'm even more independent than
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  Speaker 1: I was before. Everything is now Rebel Army Records and
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  Speaker 1: just straight immortal technique. And then I built five oh
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  Speaker 1: one C three that we modeled after the Black Panther
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  Speaker 1: Breakfast Party program to be part and linked to that label.
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  Speaker 1: It's called Rebel Army Runs and you can find us.
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  Speaker 1: It's a charity, right, Yeah, five one just for people
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  Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, it's a charity. You can find us
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  Speaker 1: on the internet at Rebel Army Runs and basically remember
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  Speaker 1: the projects you were talking about. We've been to just
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  Speaker 1: about every project in Manhattan and now we're expanding to
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  Speaker 1: Brooklyn where we give away a two week food pack
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  Speaker 1: to the seniors. Through that through their community centers and
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  Speaker 1: through that Nischa Housing programs directly. And I just want
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  Speaker 1: to point out to people that didn't know that in
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  Speaker 1: New York City right during the pandemic, they canceled fourteen
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  Speaker 1: food programs for people they couldn't afford to feed those people,
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  Speaker 1: and we actually became the functional food program for the
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  Speaker 1: Dykeman Houses, for the Grand Houses, which were serviced this
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  Speaker 1: morning by my team when I wasn't there. You can
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  Speaker 1: see the posts right now. Big shout out to my
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  Speaker 1: brother Thanos and the little short, little Dominican and shorty
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  Speaker 1: Gene that came and took my place, because I do
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  Speaker 1: it myself when I'm not doing a series of other things.
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  Speaker 1: So it's been a joy to be able to do that.
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  Speaker 1: And we've were proud to say that all donations are
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  Speaker 1: now tax deductible because of our five oh one C
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  Speaker 1: three status and we've passed the mark where we fed
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  Speaker 1: over ten thousand families. And when I say a two
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  Speaker 1: week food pack, I mean we give them like four
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  Speaker 1: two the three four cases of tuna. Then we have
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  Speaker 1: a two week oatmeal pack. We have canned milk, We
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  Speaker 1: have ravioli's, we give them like tomato paste, we give
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  Speaker 1: them pasta, and then we like to have soups in there,
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  Speaker 1: and then we give away inshore for the elders. And
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  Speaker 1: we have also pedialyte and pampers wow, and they have
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  Speaker 1: feminine products as well. So I always tell people revolution
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  Speaker 1: isn't sexy, you know what I mean. It's not just
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  Speaker 1: having a beret and running around the jungle with a gun.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta get your hands dirty and help people, and
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  Speaker 1: it's not always easy, you know. Well, I think too,
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  Speaker 1: Like that's I think that's important to point out because
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  Speaker 1: so many artists that I grew up listening to around
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  Speaker 1: that same era, who I guess will probably perceived as
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  Speaker 1: conscious rappers. And I don't know if I consider you
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  Speaker 1: a conscious rapper as much as like a reality art
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  Speaker 1: But you know, back in that day, there was like
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  Speaker 1: the conscious wrap thing, and a lot of those guys
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  Speaker 1: did and put their money where their mouth was. I
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  Speaker 1: guess you know what I mean in terms of, like
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  Speaker 1: he it's dope to see twenty years later, you're just
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  Speaker 1: fighting the good fight, man, fighting the fight for your people.
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  Speaker 1: I can't speak to other people, but what I can
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  Speaker 1: say is this. I could say that because my life
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  Speaker 1: was personally affected by these things, I wanted to contribute back, like,
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  Speaker 1: for example, for the people that don't know I went
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  Speaker 1: to I got locked up when I was a kid.
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  Speaker 1: I spent my twenty first birthday being incarcerated in the whole,
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  Speaker 1: and when I got out, I thought one of the
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  Speaker 1: things that I could do is teach at a school.
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  Speaker 1: And what we did is myself and a young lady
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  Speaker 1: named Carmen Perez. I met the great Harry Belafonte. Shout
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  Speaker 1: out Harry Belafonte, and he said, you know, you have
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  Speaker 1: such a way with words, would you consider being a
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  Speaker 1: teacher in one of these school programs? So Harry Belafonte
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  Speaker 1: gave me my first teaching job, and I taught at
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  Speaker 1: a school called Horizons. So it was interesting time. I
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  Speaker 1: was still kind of touring this album called The Martyr,
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  Speaker 1: which did great, like four million downloads. Everything wonderful we
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  Speaker 1: told the world. But after the tours were over, I
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  Speaker 1: had the the really kind of painful but joyful reality
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  Speaker 1: of bringing this workshop, which was called Confronting Trauma through
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  Speaker 1: Writing to the kids. And the stories that they wrote
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  Speaker 1: were not just uplifting, but they were also heartbreaking. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: you feel like you need a shower afterwards because you
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  Speaker 1: realize how much suffering these kids have been through. And
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  Speaker 1: then again, to bring it back to your other point,
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  Speaker 1: those kids, those hood kids, they're the real underground, right
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  Speaker 1: Like you talk about the backpackers. Yeah, they had guns
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  Speaker 1: and knives in that backpack, and they had ship that
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  Speaker 1: they stole from the polo store. The underground, the underground
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  Speaker 1: kids are the people that make up the cruise of
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  Speaker 1: all of the major label rappers. So while y'all are
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  Speaker 1: praising them and acting like they're the hardest people in
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  Speaker 1: the world, the reason that they're in the position that
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  Speaker 1: they are is because they're backed by underground, independent people
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  Speaker 1: that are in these neighborhoods. Right now, you would think
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  Speaker 1: that applies to just one of them, No, it applies
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  Speaker 1: to all of them. And I feel like in my
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  Speaker 1: particular situation, any neighborhood or any city that I've come in,
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  Speaker 1: I've always approached them with such love and respect that
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  Speaker 1: I've gotten nothing but that in return. So whether I'm
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  Speaker 1: in Detroit, I got fam out there. Whether I'm in
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  Speaker 1: Miami and in la I'm home. Half my family moved
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  Speaker 1: out here when we came from South America in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty four, and you know, they married into Mexican families
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  Speaker 1: from Oxnard and also from Inglewood. So we've had our
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  Speaker 1: family be here for years and now we get together.
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  Speaker 1: We have arguments about whose food is better, Peruvians or Mexicans,
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  Speaker 1: whose pyramids are nicer ours, But I think that it's
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  Speaker 1: nice to have that kind of camaraderie. And I will
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  Speaker 1: say this, keV, It's sad for me to see artists
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  Speaker 1: come out here and die or get hurt and rob
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  Speaker 1: because I've never felt unwelcome here. Brother, I've never felt that,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe it's just because of the way I move.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't call it checking in because I'm not
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  Speaker 1: paying people for protection. But I'll come and if some
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  Speaker 1: of the brothers or the essays ask me, hey man,
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  Speaker 1: we're doing a kids program, like, for example, sick Jacking
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  Speaker 1: and hood Santa and then my homie Sleeps. The artists incredible, dude.
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  Speaker 1: They they did this workshop for kids where they brought
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of different neighborhoods together from East Low, from
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  Speaker 1: other places to do art workshops. I was a pleasure
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  Speaker 1: to join that. And I don't charge people for parents,
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  Speaker 1: as I'm like, yo, man, let me just come there.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever I can do to offer and lend my voice
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  Speaker 1: to this is something that we need. You know, at
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  Speaker 1: some point somebody's got to be the adult in the room. Kevin, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: what have y'all? Bulet keV gott to stop the interview
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  Speaker 1: to tell you about our newest sponsor. Man. Shout out
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  Speaker 1: Las Vegas. Let's get back to the interview. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think too, man, la Is it's a unique place because
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: of how the unemployment stimulated people's pockets during COVID, probably
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  Speaker 1: more than anywhere else. And once that went away, I
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  Speaker 1: think people a lot of people who weren't used to
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  Speaker 1: living a certain lifestyle, right they got a taste of
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: that lifestyle and and you know they're trying to keep that.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, once you get a taste of having that
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: real money because there was people eating off PvP and
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: the and the edd out here. So I also too, like,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of the obviously, you know,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: there's people who are just wrong place, wrong time. I
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: think another thing is is like kind of being your
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: self aware of where you're at. Are you gonna walk
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: around with one hundred thousand dollars around your neck when
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: somebody's starving. I mean you got to kind of like understand,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: like the climate that's going on in LA right now.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: It's crazy because I used to feel like when i'd
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: go to New York, I'd be like, you know, New
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: York is the place where you get jacked. And I'm
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: not saying it still isn't, of course it is, but
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: I feel like LA feels like just a much more
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: dangerous place now. Even just going to New York, we
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: were just like, man, it's so nice. There's not that
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: many homeless people. Like there's homeless people, obviously, we saw
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: a bunch, but like certain areas of LA it's like
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: it's it's like skid row all over them. There are
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: skid row places in New York. I'm sure there are.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I'll take you that next. Yeah, I'm sure. No, I'm sure,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: and and every city has that, right, But I was
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: we were all over the city, like if you just
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: drive around la which I'm sure you've seen, it doesn't matter.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: If you're in skid row, there's just thirty tenths on
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: the side of the road. There's like, I mean, but
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: you guys don't have a subway system that people live in.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: This is true, that's what we have to now, that's true.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: The subway system is a whole nother area. We have
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: people that live underground. As a matter of fact, years ago,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: there was a movie made called The mole Men, and
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: it was a documentary about people. And I would tell
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: you myself one of the craziest experiences I've ever had
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: is I was seventeen and I used to run with
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: a bunch of wild Dominican motherfuckers me and talk about
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: cutting slice and get the fuck out of the way
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: when you're seeing all thirty of us. And one day
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: we were writing graffiti at a place called the Freedom Tunnels,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: which is on seventy second Street. It's all gentrified now,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: but I walked down the Freedom Tunnel right and when
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: we were leaving, we saw a dude just coming out
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: looking like shit, like a regular homeless dude. Yea, all
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: fucked up, yo. And he had a plastic bag with him,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: right keV. He goes to one of the the little fountains.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: He washes himself off. keV. He takes out a hand
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: towel and uses it like a regular towel. He puts
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: on a button up shirt, smacks on a name tag,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: puts a hat, and gets ready to go to work.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: And we approached him because I was like, ya, I
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: want to ask this motherfucker something. So we approached him
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: and he at first was like, all right, you're seeing
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: twenty thirty Dominican. He thought wen we were gonna gi
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: vic him and I said, yo, yo, we don't want
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  Speaker 1: to do nothing to you, bro, I said, I just
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: want to ask you something. And he was like, what's up?
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: And I said, you really live in the train tunnels?
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: He said yeah, there's one hundred and fifty people down there.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Now He's like, I'm one of the people that lives
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: there with my wife. Oh wow. And I said they
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: got that in Vegas too. So there's like a whole
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: city of people underneath Las Vegas. Right. So when I
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: asked him this. I said, wait a minute. You live
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: with your wife down there and then you guys, And
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: she's like, yeah, she has a job as a waitress
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and I have a job working at this spot where
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I like, you know, I'm like a floor helper or whatever.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: And you know what, that day, I'm sitting in the
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: park with all our people's a small wild and now
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I'm just smoking to el thinking and I'm like and
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: they're like, what's wrong, And I'm like, you know that
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: dude we ran into and they were like, yeah, I said,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: he's doing better than me. And they were like, what
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: are you talking about. He's homeless. I said, no, no no, no, no, no.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I asked the guy before we left. I said, what
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: what's the goal? He said, you know, we can save
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: up some money and then me and my wife, in
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: like a few years, we can move out of there
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: and we can try and get our own place again,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: get back on our feet. And I looked at the
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: guys and I said, don't you understand, bro y'all motherfucker's
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: out here looking for random broads. This motherfucker not only
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: found the love of his life, but he found a
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: woman that really holds that standard. For better or for worse.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: And not only that, but y'all motherfuckers don't got a
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: plan this ding I got a plan. And I sat
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: there and I was like, I don't got a plan
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: and I don't got a ride or die? What the
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: fuck am I doing? I still live with my mom
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: and dad. I'm still, I'm still. I'm still with a
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: life preserver on this dude's swimming in the ocean with
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: wifey trying to make it. And it humbled me so
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: much that I swear I have such a different attitude
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: dealing with people. I talk to a janitor the way
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I would talk. I think everybody should do that, man,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: because you never know. Like I always tell that to people.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I'm like, man, you never know who you could, especially
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: you know, outside of just day to day real life.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Like I talk to young artists all the time about
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: just like treating the end you gotta treat the interns
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: with respect, you gotta treat the engineers with respect, because
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: you never know who's gonna end up being the president
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: of your label one day or you know whoever. So yeah, no,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: it's definitely the case, even like up becoming artists. You
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: know a lot of times people shit like will shit
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: on up and cooming artists like it's like that could
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: be the next too. Hover the fuck and they might
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: or they'll just go at the youth because they're like
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I don't like this style or something like that. So
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I know that being from my era, everybody when the
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: when the skinny jeans first came out, they were ripping
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: these kids. And I used to joke with everybody. I
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: used to be like, listen, they might be wearing skinny jeans,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: they might even have a person on, but there's a
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: gun in that person. You gotta be careful with these
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: little kids, like you can't just smack them up like
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: this nothing. You have to respect the fact that the
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: youth still they want to prove themselves in something. And
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: so you know, whether people make fun of them here
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: like the Edgarls, that not's very farm. You don't want
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: to get jumped by tapped into the Edgar. You don't
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: want to get jumped with some fam Don't get jumped
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: by fifty Edgars at Knotsbery Farm because that is not
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: that's not something that your your reputation can recover from.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: All right, you getting beat up by gang members people
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: are like all right, what what do you expect? You?
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: But you're getting jumped by children, don't you? Do? You
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: follow all the like food communities and like all those
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: ig pages. Who's gone wild? Yeah, big shout out to
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Foodl's going wild? Yeah, it's hilarious. I think that. But
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: they always have the edgars fighting at knots. It's always
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: like what's going on in Notts Very Farm. They had
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: to change the rules. Yeah, they made it so that
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: you have to have a big homie with you, But
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: that didn't change that much because I could just get
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: the twenty year old homie to come right, right, So
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: you have to be accompanied by someone over twenty one? Yeah,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: so you just got to bring the big homie? Now? Uh?
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: What it was your because obviously, uh, I think that
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: we just went through a pretty wild historical time with
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: the pandemic. I think that a lot of the people
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: who questioned the vaccine are probably like feeling a little
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: more vindicated of recent recent memory. But from your perspective,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: someone who's always kind of spoken about big government and
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: just shit, you know, what was your thought process now
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: that we're kind of removed, I'm gonna say we're totally removed, right,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: But that we've kind of gotten through this pandemic. The
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: vaccine just all that. It was kind of a weird
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: era of life that I'm not sure we'll ever see again,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: and maybe we will, I don't know. Well. I mean,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: when they came out, I posted on Twitter that I
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: thought the mandates were unconstitutional. I got into lots of
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: arguments with that. I told people that they shouldn't listen
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: to media personalities and that they should concern themselves with
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: dealing with their doctor rather than anybody else. There are
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: people that are immunal compromised that would have benefited from that.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: And then there are people, for example, that had a
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: high heart rate, like my friend's mother when she went
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: to go get that accident, she went to her doctor
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: first and they said, wait a minute, ma'am, you have
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: very high blood pressure. This is dangerous. Let's lower your
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: blood pressure first. That's what happened. And she was an
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: r N, so she was one of these people that
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: had to get vaccinated or lose their job. But now
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: this right, but now in court in New York court
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: that they've overturned well, like I just saw that they're
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: reinstating all Well before we say that that's not actually
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: happening yet There's been an appeal filed by the mayor,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: So the mayor is going to appeal it because I
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: saw that they were going to try to pay them
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: some bada no, no, no. Just for the people that
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: are watching at home, they fought the nine to eleven
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: first responders for twenty years. You think that they're going
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: to get their pockets tapped by their handful of people. No,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: the city is ruthless. Okay, these people are monsters. These
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: are the animals. Like when I say that, my friend
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Aton Edwards, who was on Fox, on NBC, he was
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: on all these companies. He's a survivor expert. And when
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: he went down and was helping to pull people out
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: of the rubble on nine to eleven, he was in
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: a full hasmat suit. keV who told me he was
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: like and he was yelling at the police officials. He's like, look, dude,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: why are you given these firefighters and cops, these fucking
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: shit breathers. Why are you giving them like a fucking
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: n nine to five That doesn't help. There's radioactive chemicals
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: in the air, Like, there's actual nine to eleven syndrome.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Now people have this corrosive chemical in their lungs because
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: they don't actually have a conversation about what was in
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: those floors those buildings. Yeahocracy of the politics of it,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's a big John Stewart's a
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: big proponent of trying to get help to I mean,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: if people maybe have seen some of the viral moments
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: of John screaming at politicians, but yeah, it's crazy. It's
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: crazy if like you can't take care of the people,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: the biggest tragedy in the history of our country, really,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, how about this. We went on
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: a different podcast, America control O, and we brought up
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: the fact that there are a lot of deported veterans.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: And I have a lot of my friends that don't
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: have papers that say that they're a United States citizen,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: but they have papers that say they're a United States
• 28:11
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• 28:14
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• 28:18
  Speaker 1: They're being deported because they fucked up some paperwork or
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: because they had a drug addiction. And my stance is,
• 28:24
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• 28:27
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• 28:30
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• 28:33
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• 28:36
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• 28:41
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• 28:45
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• 28:49
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• 28:51
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• 28:54
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  Speaker 1: don't die because they lose a war. We haven't won
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• 29:06
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• 29:11
  Speaker 1: we did not win the Afghanistan War. We did not
• 29:13
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• 29:18
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  Speaker 1: That is wild to think, man like, for you, do
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  Speaker 1: you feel like your messaging your music like? Do you
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: feel like you're a voice that is needed now more
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: than ever because there's so much muck in the world.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: There's so much, especially on the hip hop side. Man,
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  Speaker 1: Like I mean, I feel like we're missing immortal technique
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  Speaker 1: right now. I mean, thank God that I'm coming out
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  Speaker 1: with a new record, right yes, thank God that I'm
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  Speaker 1: working on new music. So I've definitely been doing that.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: And also, I guess I'll just come out and say
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: it since I've been saying in another podcast, I do
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: some screenwriting now. I do like fixing scripts and people
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: contact me for stuff, and it's been an incredible experience.
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  Speaker 1: The only problem with that, Kevin, that when I do writing,
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  Speaker 1: people can edit the joke if it's too ruthless or
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  Speaker 1: something like why this is the point. This is why
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: you people have me in the room to write the
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  Speaker 1: type of shit that people are like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: what the hell. But that's just to a limit. I
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  Speaker 1: think with music, with hip hop, I'm able to do
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  Speaker 1: that even more so than I ever was before. And then,
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  Speaker 1: of course, you know, I started this journey with my
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  Speaker 1: brother South Paul, who used to work for Puff Daddy,
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  Speaker 1: so he knew a lot about kind of the studio environment.
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  Speaker 1: He had set up the pro tools for Daddy's house,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: So I guess for me. One of the best parts
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  Speaker 1: about kind of growing with this culture has been to
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  Speaker 1: always stay true to the ideals that it first started.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: We're not here to try to convince people of what
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: it is. We're here to offer you these facts that
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: you have not been presented before. You haven't even seen
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: the evidence. You're basing your opinion on what you've been shown,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: but not everything else. I think it's hard to divorce
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: people from their politics, keV. It is because their politics
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: is not just politics, it's their entire circle of friends,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: with the family that they're with, It's who you follow
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: on Instagram, telling youth, telling people to leave your family. Right. So,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: people have gotten to a point where it doesn't matter
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: the morality of the person that's been assigned to it.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: As long as it's their side, they can find a
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: reason to not hold that person to the same standards
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: as they would somebody else. And at that point, it's
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: just so politicized that there's no moral left in it.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: It's not like there's a moral compass. There's just like, oh, okay,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: imagine if your lawyer your son goes to trial for murder. Right, right,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: the best lawyer in the world has a fourteen year
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: old wife, and you're like, dude, he's the best lawyer
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: in the world. Though, right, what are we doing here?
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: That's where we are in politics, and you know, we
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: don't even have a shared history. You saw the governor
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: of Florida get up and say, hey, it's wrong that
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: we're to say that we have stolen land. Yeah, right, literally, yeah,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: it's crazy. I was gonna ask you, man, because we're
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: probably It's funny because I remember as a kid how
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: much people did not fuck with George W. Bush at
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: a certain point. I remember, like that Michael Moore shit
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: came out. I forget then it was a bonly nine
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: to eleven or some shit. The first documentary that kind
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: of like was like kind of political. People weren't fucking
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: with Bush, but then there was people who were loving Bush.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: But now, man, this shit is so crazily divided, and
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I feel like the pendulum on each side has swung
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: so extreme that like if somebody, like you said, if
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: somebody is just a normal, common sense human being, like
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: you said, like, I feel like I probably I grew
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: up like a Democrat, right, but I feel like more
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: and more I'm just like, maybe I'm just like a
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: independent or a libertarian. I don't know, because, like you said,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I'm also very pro Second Amendment. But nowadays, man, it's
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: like everybody and it's probably always been like this, but
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit more magnified these days because of
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: social media. But I just feel like we're in this
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: like weird rut as a country where like everybody is
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: just so standing on whatever this island is and whatever
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: this island's going for at the time, you have to
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: align with all of it or you're on you're over
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: there like I would like I would have. The truth is,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: if you bring up a good point, Democrats have never
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: fought against Republicans as hard as they fought against the
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: left wing of their own party. Fat that's the God.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: That's the God's honest truth. And a lot of people
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: that I personally know that started getting closer to trump
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Ism and to Maga and I listen, this is the God.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Listen if you if your feelings get hurt, I'm I'm
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: not here to coddle you. A lot of those people
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: were actually Bernie Sanders supporters, and they feel and they
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: feel that the Democratic Party is more corrupt than the
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Republican Bernie over but they feel like more corrupt. I
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: think when we talk about the war being involved in it.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: That's one thing where I have to draw a line
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: because Republicans can't hide behind Trump's skirt simply because he
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: didn't start any new wars. He dropped a moab on Afghanistan,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: and after the first eighteen months of his presidency please
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: look it up, the drone strikes started again. However, that
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: doesn't excuse them pushing Democrats to a point where they
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: had to have mister Obama commit a series of war
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: crimes because the drone strikes that he was sending out
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: to Afghanistan were based on metadata. That's why they gave
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: him the name the drone Ranger, right, because those metadatas
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: the metadata literally means a phone or a device, so
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: you're basing it on a phone that this person could have, right,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: which is why when they exposed the rate of the
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: drone strikes, they found out that it was over eighty
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: and ninety percent the wrong person that they hit. And
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: why did we have to learn that through WikiLeaks? That's
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: just unfair to the people themselves who paid taxes into
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: a system where they believed they were actually fighting a
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: war against people trying to kill us, whereas we knocked
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: over a country that had nothing to do with nine
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: to eleven. Nothing. And then when we get really into detail,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: remember that lady Sarah Palin and everybody was making fun
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: of her because she couldn't answer what the Bush doctrine was. Listen,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: the Bush doctrine, ladies and gentlemen, is us knocking over
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: countries in the Middle East that don't follow our hegemonic
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: view of the region. Tell me that mister Obama didn't
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: do that once mister Bush got out of office. Thing.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: That's the issue that we're facing. We're facing the nakedness
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: of the empire, the mask taken off, the revealing of
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: the fact that we don't actually care if a place
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: is democratic or communist or any of these things. As
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: long as you back the United States of America will
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: give you a pass. In the same way that I
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: see these horrible things that the arguments that are happening
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: online in between black people and Jewish people over what's
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: transpired with Kanye and everything, and I say, the sad
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: part is that if you look at actual conservatives that
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: have said horrible things about Jewish people, they're they're not
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: touched but it's also because they supported the state of
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Israel in the same sentence. So this complicates the case
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: very much. And I think it's actually damaged the relationship
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: that Black and Jewish people have because they feel like
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: they've been singled out and the other group feels like
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: they've been singled out. I think that more than ever,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: needs some kind of healing, some kind of reciprocity to understand,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: because you have an entire group of people who say, well,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: there's different consequences for us versus that, and that makes
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: people feel like their lives aren't worth the same right.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: And I think on the other end, you have a
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: group of people who have felt that they've been persecuted
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: in Europe and now they're persecuted here and therefore high
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: up on end. And whether you agree with anything the
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: man said or not, you have legitimate divide in the
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: community now where people are arguing that didn't even have
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: a problem with, weren't consciousness to argue before. So, like
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: you said, the political lines are already kind of drawn
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: there for a person if they wanted to crawl into
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: that trench, to then feel comfortable with because they don't
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: have to listen to an opposing opinion. Like you said,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of echo chambers. There's a lot of
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: places where people just hear something repeated. They don't want
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: to hear the truth. They don't want to say, Okay, well,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Republicans have actually never shrunken the size of government that
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Democrats have committed war crimes in the past two decades.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: These are not comfortable topics, but they're true. And that's
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: the reason why I guess people love my music because
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I give it to both sides, because I don't pull punches,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: and because when it comes down to it, I'm not
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: just independent in terms of the music, but I try
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: to be independent here in front of the politics because
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: I realize what's actually happened as a case of this. Now,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: we could take subject matters independently, right, like immigration, abortion,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: and we can discuss all these things, of course, but
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: with that comes historical nuance, right when people say, oh, immigrants,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: who got everything? And I'm like, well, why don't you
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: look up the Homestead Act or the DAWs Act, where
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: this government gave millions of acres to white settlers that
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: just came off a boat from somewhere because you wanted
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: indigenous people to be replaced. We hear a lot from
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: the far right about a white replacement theory, but let's
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: have a conversation about indigenous replacement practice that took place
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: reality of that. Yeah. So I think in many ways,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: it's not that people are angry at socialism keV. They're
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: mad that only rich people have been able to use it,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: that they got billions of dollars of bailouts, and that
• 41:12
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• 41:14
  Speaker 1: like socialism, like obviously, I think like I was a
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Bernie supporter. I donated to his camp. I loved Bernie.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I just loved him because he was the most consistent
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: politician I had ever seen. At least he was very
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: honest in the sense that you know, when you heard
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: that Hillary Clinton calling him a violent misogynist, everyone was
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: scratching their head, like you talk about your husband, you
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: talk about Bernie, She's wild. What are we doing here?
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: She's She's yeah, Jesus Christ. But I think, but I
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: think that that that having a conversation just shows you
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: how many people were understanding that, yes, we do have
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: socialism in this country, socialism for the rich. And I'll
• 41:56
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• 42:01
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  Speaker 1: are the exemplifying, precise example of what the American corporation does,
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  Speaker 1: which is live off the welfare of the state to
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  Speaker 1: back from a tour in Europe. They don't even sell
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  Speaker 1: American products there because they say that they cause cancer
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  Speaker 1: and they're crazy. And another thing, you could buy a
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  Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, which is what the FDA does here
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  Speaker 1: in this country. So I'm sorry that I got just
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  Speaker 1: bad news. I feel like that that's kind of what
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: happened with the entire COVID shit. It was like the
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: doctors who would say, hey, it's not for everybody, or
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: they got silenced here, they got taken off Twitter. I
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: know there was one guy who was a writer. He
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: was just on Joe Rogan recently, who he actually sued
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Twitter because they took him off Twitter. They banned him.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: He's like a writer because he pretty much spoke out
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: against the vaccine, just saying, hey, guys, it doesn't cure it.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: They deleted his tweet, they banned him, and he sued
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: him because he's that's kind kind of a part of
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: his living as a writer, and they had to reinstate
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: him and then they had to pay him money. Right, Well,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, his premise was, and I think I know
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking about. He said, listen, if I'm
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: not an anti vaxxer, I I'm propolio for all these
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: other things. Yeah, I got the first rounded. But but
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: let me just say, honestly, the thing that he brought
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: up that's incredibly important that he should never have been
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: punished for. He said that it's technically not a vaccine
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: because if you take it, then you shouldn't get the virus.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: If you can still get the virus, but for example,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: what they decided to rebrand and say, well, it's not
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: that you don't get the virus, it's that you get
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: a must much lesser effect. But that's a virus exactly.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of the backfoot that they fell on.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: And that's kind of like what I get when I
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: argue with people and they want to try to convert
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: me to something, and then I bashed them so hard
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: and then they're on the backfoot saying, oh, both sides
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: are corrupt. No, that's where you should have started from, brother,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: That's not the position you retreat to. So when I
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: discussed these things in terms of like the COVID response,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: that was a big reason why we did the rebel
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: army runs. We defied the lockdowns, not out of gratuity,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: not just to be on IG like, oh, we're out
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: here when they said we couldn't be. That's not rebellion,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: that's not revolutionariness, that's just you trying to be a
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: troll for IG. We actually went out there and when
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: we were moving this food and these products, the police
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: stopped me before and they said what are you doing?
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: And I said, I've become the food program for the
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: grant houses. I'm feeding these people. That is what I'm
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: supposed to do, isn't it. And the guys like, you're
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: wearing like a you're wearing a vest and you have
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: a scanner. I said, that's for my own personal amusement.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: And he's like, what are you doing with that today?
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I said, I don't feel like discussing my day, officer,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: but I'm going to be here and I'm going to
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: continue to support these people in my community. Oh, by
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: the way, you're from the twenty sixth precinct, right, You're
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: one of Captain Alexis boys. What if she found out
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: that you were trying to cut off the food program
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: out of that Deblasio canceled, you know, the Blasio, the
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: one that you hate. Right. I know how to talk
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: to people. So the guys like, man, you can either
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: stop me from doing what I'm supposed to do, brother,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: or you can make sure that we get through to
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: these people. And I'm gonna be real. They folded, not
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: like oh oh no, like no, they folded like wow,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I see your point. Cool. So we were out there
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: and through all the lockdowns. We started this program in
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: March of twenty twenty, so when this just started, because
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: they really announced the pandemic in like February, so late March,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: early April was when we started. And it was me
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: and this one tiny little Dominican girl, right and her
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: boyfriend would help now and then. But that's what it was.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: So I tell people, listen, you're gonna get yelled at,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: You're gonna have people disagree with you. It's okay. What
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: the purpose is is not to force your ideas on
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: other people. You let them come to them naturally, You
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: present other arguments, and you give them the ability to
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: make that decision. I think too many, too many times,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: like we were just talking about, people expect to be
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: able to change someone's mind immediately, and people don't work
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: like that. I mean, if you tell people not to
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: do something, it's a perfect way to get them to
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: try to do something. That's how human beings are wired.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: And if you if you tell people they have to
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: do something, then they don't want to. Well wait a minute, right,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, I have to do it. It's my body.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: What the fuck as opposed to like, hey, here's what,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: here's the facts, figure it out one hundred percent. Man.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: But I mean, I look, my mom is a two
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: time cancer survivor. So I took it very seriously. Of course,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: like you, I was asked away from it, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: she was in a nursing home, man, So it was
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: obviously a real it's a real thing. I just think that, like,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: there was just so much misinformation that was being fed
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: to U. Was on TV every day. It was the
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: fear mongering normal ship that it's been happening on the
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: media forever. And I feel like so many of the
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: voices that were just kind of giving other alternative points
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: and actual facts about the vaccine were silenced, and it
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: was just like it just like I feel like to
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: two years fast forward a lot of that, it's kind
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: of like, yeah, well maybe if you did catch COVID,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: you really didn't need to get the vaccine. If you're
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: a healthy person and you got it, your antibodies are
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: going to be stronger, and you you know, if you're
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: a younger male, you don't have to worry about the
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: risk of mildcard died and all this. But if you
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: are a young person and you happen to have anything
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: like a breathing issue or asthma, then you're much more
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: likely to suffer some of the worst consequences. Right, It's
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: like it just depends on your like that. But that's
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: my whole point why I told people, hey, don't listen
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: to come up with shock jock. Come up, go and
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: go to your doctor and get checked out, and say, hey,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: is it okay if I do this or is this wrong?
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: And I think what the main issue that I saw
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: happened with so many people is that a one, people
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: weren't empathetic to people who thought they really needed it,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: and the people who were in need of it had
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: no empathy towards the people that were on some like
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: holistic medicine stuff, which is something that I'm down with,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: but at the same time, it's like, okay, you're gonna
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: tell me that now because this person wore a mask,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: that they're propagating fascism. Like, Okay, I had an argument
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: with a dude, like a friend of mine who's a
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: prominent guy in the anti Maxarin and I said, listen, brother,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: didn't take your freedom this time. They already had it
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: when you butchered one million of rockies a country that
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: had nothing to do with nine to eleven. They already
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: got your freedom when they sent you to Afghanistan. They
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: already got your freedom right when they had you bomb
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Libya and open a slave market there, they already got
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: your freedom. What they wanted now with this was something
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: totally different. They didn't need to put a microchip in
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: the vagazine. You already got the micro chip with this,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: it's in your pocket. But what they did do is
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: that exposed something even crazier that Adam Smith and Carl Marx,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: even though they're diametrically opposed sides of communism and capitalism,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: we're both right. There's only two classes. The middle class
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: is a farce right, and that's what COVID taught you.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Because you could be have a nice HOUSEKEV. You have
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: a nice car, a job, but you're worth negative six
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars and a lot of you lost your
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: homes during that time, and you realized, oh no, there
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: are only two classes. There's the working class, and they're
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: the people who control the means of production. And if
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: you're not one of these two people, then you think
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: you're one in the middle, you're not really one in
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: the middle. You're here. See these people know who the
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: fuck they are. They don't pay taxes. Their corporation doesn't
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: pay taxes. If people want to look up any example
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: of that. There's a famous woman from New York called
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Leona Helmsley who owned the Helmsley Building, and she got
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: in trouble because for years she paid no taxes like
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: all major corporations. Yeah, I mean Google doesn't pay I mean,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: none of these people pay taxes. But she went out
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: and said in the media in the New York Times,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: only little people pay taxes. And they had to get
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: her because this you can't see such a fucking uproar
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: in New York. They were like little people like you mean,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: working class people. Because the capitalist system creates food and
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: shelter as commodities, so you're forced to work a forty
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: hour work week instead of venturing to things you would
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: possibly like the fact that, look, if I get an
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: album done and I pay the record label back in
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: a traditional scenario, I don't even keep the intellectual property.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. If I get a bank a loan for
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: anything else and I pay the loan, bag own the car, everything.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: The problem is this now people bring up is the
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: house really yours? Because if you don't pay those property
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: taxes that equal the equivalent of the house paid over
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: fifty years, they take the house. Do you ever stop
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: paying for it? Also, like how many people actually finish
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: the thirty year mortgage before they move on to the
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: next thing. Ever, it's like a rotation of fuckery for sure. Man, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: fucking time. Let's get back to the interview. Well listen,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Uh you say you're you're dropping new music. Yeah, we
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: got the new website and Mortal Technique dot com. I
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: actually had to sue for it. I had an anonymous
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: squatter that was trying to charge me twenty thousand dollars
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  Speaker 1: for it. So hell of a hustle. I know a
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: lot of I know that there's a lot of people
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: doing that. They just buy websites and they my lawyer
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  Speaker 1: said no, no, no no, We've reached out to this person
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: and they said no, no, no, we'll put the price up.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: So he goes, we're gonna sue and we're gonna demand
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: that they show up to court, and they didn't show.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: I showed up with my best pseudo and I was
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: walking there like I always made the joke that I
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: was walking like Malcolm and Spike Lee and the like this.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: H I was walking right to court like what is it?
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: No show? Okay, thank you the website's mind for one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five dollars. Fuck you people that trying
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: to rob me. But now we're live at Mortal technique
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• 55:10
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  Speaker 1: Armie Runs if you want to make a text deductible
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: donation to the charitization. Are you going to the streaming
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: services or are you doing cause you know there's a
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: lot of people who have kind of it's an unfair system.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: I feel like in terms of like, if you have
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: like a thousand fans, you should be able to make
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: real money off your music as opposed to making pennies
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: off your streams, and I know a lot of people
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: are just going straight to consumers these days, whether it's
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: like dropping the CD, dropping a download on your website,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: doing the vinyl thing like howry are you gonna drop it?
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I guess traditionally in twenty twenty two ways, like on Spotify,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: on iTunes and all that, or are you gonna do
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: other stuff? I'm still looking at that, But I mean,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: I think either way presents its own challenges. I know
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: that when I release record that I have to campaign
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: the album right. It's not just like throwing it against
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: the wall. I think also the fact that I've spent
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: so much time working on this album the middle passage
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: that it's incredibly important, the fact that it has the
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: subject matter of pretty much an African genocide. In that sense,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: I don't have the N word anywhere on the record.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: It is one of the most scholastically put forth examples
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: of my work. And also I'm gonna show you that
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: even without using certain words, I can be even more ruthless,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: more brutal, more painful, more gut wrenching, more metaphorically and
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: similarly driven wretchedness that will make you vomit blood than
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: I did before and I'm still that guy, and I'm
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: still here. I'm still down with the immigrants, I'm still
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: down with the Second Amendment. I'm still down with educating
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: my people about how to grow food independently. And you know,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: I appreciate any platform that I'm giving the ability to
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: come and speak. Brother, Yeah, you're a legend. I'm curious
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: earlier you said recipes Chris Dorner. Now I feel like
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: his story and his manifesto, I feel like that's such
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: an interesting topic that doesn't get brought up enough because
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: I do feel like it's kind of like depending on
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: your perspective on it. I mean, obviously nobody should ever
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: condone like people dying and stuff, But I always was
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: thinking in my head, I was like, man, I wonder
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: if anybody will ever tackle that topic from like a
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: conceptual way through hip hop, whether it's a record, whether
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: it's telling that story. Maybe I'll keep you in the game.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: I can't throw it for you, Kemp, but we definitely
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: did bring something up like that on the record. I
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: appreciate you saying that, yeah, because I feel like you
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: would be the guy to do it. I'm the guy
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: that did it already. Okay, it's coming out. But I mean,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: like I said, we don't do gratuitous violence. We talk
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: about what it is in terms of what that extright.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: The fact that people were so scared of him that
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: they decided to shoot other people that weren't even him,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: the fact that they were like, okay, you actually have
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: documented files and we heard testimony from the city council
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: and so many racist things they said. Chris Dorner allegedly
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: had documents and recordings of high level people in the
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: LAPD and government saying things that were probably just as bad,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: if not worse. So I think that there's a lot
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: of sketch that's around him. There's other people in that
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: are in my proximity that I've had a similar experience
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: with that I'll say, Okay, I went to Penn State
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: University right and around the same time when the sexual
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: molestation allegations were going over against Sandusky that other coaches knew.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: There was a district attorney who was the district attorney
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: in my case as a matter of fact, when I
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: went to prison. His name was Ray Greekar, and he
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: was investigating the Sandusky stuff and guess what he was disappeared.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: They found his his he's still going. He was he
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: was declared missing, like and he's declared dead. You can
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: look his name up ray Greek card g r I
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: c ar. And they found his laptop missing a hard
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: drive in a fucking lake or like in a river,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: like a little stream, like a mile away from his house.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: So this guy who was investigating who could have possibly
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: covered up the rape allegations, gave whoever it was cover
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: enough for them to blame only the people who got caught,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: and none of the giant donors from Penn State who
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: partook it in the circle to it. Hey man, I'm
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: not gonna stop talking about this, So if something happens
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: to me, we all know what it is. That shit's crazy,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: you know what, man, I do feel like though we
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: are in a I mean, even if it doesn't really matter,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: I do think that nowadays people are a little bit
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: more skeptical of the information they're given and they try
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: to dig in a little bit under the surface a
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: little bit more then, you know, I feel like that's
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: obviously the Internet's kind of changed a lot of just
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: the way people think. And hopefully, like you said, hopefully
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: people can snap out of this fucking weird tribal like
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: extreme I'm over here or I'm over here, And if
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: you don't agree with me on this, but you agree
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: with me on ten other things, but you don't agree
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: with me on this, it's fuck you. You're over there.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, I think the primary basis I have
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: to say is that I'm willing to agree with anybody
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: or be able to have that disagreement, as long as
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: those disagreements don't infringe on my humanity. I'm just trying
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: to take away my humanity. And I think what you
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: also bring up is important to say. For all those
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: people that are talking about a civil war, just remember
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: the only winners of a civil war United States will
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: be China and Russia. You'll hand them the planet. Good
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: luck though. That's how we're going to hand the interview.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: That's right,