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KERRI HARPER HOWIE - Mustard Up That Cheddar Dog · Eating While Broke

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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, coleeen Witt, and today we have the
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  Speaker 1: mc Legacies of all mick legacies. I just before I
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  Speaker 1: even introduce this amazingly special guest, I have to let
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  Speaker 1: you guys know that I have tried to get this
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  Speaker 1: interview for at least a year. Not because I've reached
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  Speaker 1: out and actually broke contact to this special guest, is
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  Speaker 1: because I've literally had to stalk research, watch so many interviews,
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  Speaker 1: and I try not to do this, but I am
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  Speaker 1: so impressed with this special guest right here. I've been
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  Speaker 1: telling my whole team and everyone who watches the show knows.
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  Speaker 1: I am absolutely more excited over entrepreneurs than celebrities. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: sorry for my celebrities, but today we have special guests.
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  Speaker 1: Carrie Harper Howie is in the building. And not only
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  Speaker 1: is she, are you the largest McDonald's franchise owner in
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  Speaker 1: the state of California.
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  Speaker 2: I keep saying that I think you.
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  Speaker 3: Got in the state of California. African American.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, she's gonna wear that hat.
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  Speaker 4: She is twenty one man, twenty one twenty.
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  Speaker 1: One McDonald's restaurants are owned by Carrie Harper Howie and
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  Speaker 1: her family, her mother and her sister, three minority women.
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  Speaker 1: This was a huge feat in the timing and the
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  Speaker 1: whole structure. But the cool thing about Carrie here is
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  Speaker 1: her story is definitely untraditional. But she has released a
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  Speaker 1: book which led me to her, called The Family Secret.
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  Speaker 1: So if you guys are interested in hearing more, you
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  Speaker 1: can go ahead and look up The Family Secret online Google, Amazon,
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  Speaker 1: you can find it.
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  Speaker 2: That is how I found her.
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  Speaker 1: But so we are going to get into The Family
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  Speaker 1: Secret first, starting with the broke dish that y'all had
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  Speaker 1: before you had twenty one McDonald's.
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  Speaker 2: So what will you have me eat in today?
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 4: So this is a dish that my my sister and
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  Speaker 4: I used to make back in the day eons ago,
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  Speaker 4: and as I shared with you, I don't remember the
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  Speaker 4: last time I made this, so I'm hoping that I
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  Speaker 4: can pull it off. But it was such a that
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  Speaker 4: meal that my sister and I would go to that
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  Speaker 4: we thought was so delicious and so cool. So today
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna make for you mustardy cheddar hot dogs. And
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  Speaker 4: I asked for this bag these bags of chips because
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  Speaker 4: that was always the side we always had in our house.
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  Speaker 4: We were definitely not making fries. We weren't even baking
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  Speaker 4: frozen fries. We were not doing anything special. But we
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  Speaker 4: always had a backs of variety chips. So we're gonna
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  Speaker 4: do mustardy cheddar hot dogs and chips.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: I threw a ketchup and I said, she must have
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  Speaker 1: forgot some ketchup up in here, but go ahead, it's okay.
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  Speaker 1: So since you had that surprise, I switched out your
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  Speaker 1: hot dogs for turkey hot dogs, just from you know,
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  Speaker 1: the sanity of my stomach.
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  Speaker 2: So surprise.
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  Speaker 1: Anyways, go ahead, make your mustard cheese hot dogs. I
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  Speaker 1: was sitting there looking at the recipe and the ingredient said,
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  Speaker 1: maybe she wants elvida, and I said, but.
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  Speaker 2: Usually people they want belvida cheese, say elvida.
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  Speaker 1: So we want to see what So so take me back, okay,
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  Speaker 1: take me all the way back to life when y'all
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  Speaker 1: you and your sister almost burnt down the house and
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  Speaker 1: these hot dogs.
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  Speaker 4: So my sister and I were born and raised in Englewood.
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  Speaker 4: My sister still lives in the house that we grew
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  Speaker 4: up in. Y'all ago, Yes, and.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy to think twenty one McDonald's later.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, we take a lot of pride
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  Speaker 4: in living and existing and moving and supporting the communities
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  Speaker 4: where we live. And so you know, if you got
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  Speaker 4: a perfectly good house that works fine and suit your purposes,
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  Speaker 4: there's no real reason for it not to still be
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  Speaker 4: in your family.
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  Speaker 1: And did you guys own it back then or were
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  Speaker 1: you renting it?
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  Speaker 4: I literally came home from the hospital to this house
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  Speaker 4: my parents before they became McDonald's franchisees. My dad was
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  Speaker 4: a cop and my mother was a social worker, so
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  Speaker 4: they both had good government jobs. Wow, and they were
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  Speaker 4: able to afford to buy this house on this very
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  Speaker 4: small street in Inglewood, California.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just curious, and you could share or not share,
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  Speaker 1: but you know Inglewood has gentrified, and is you know,
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  Speaker 1: buying a house over there as impossible.
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  Speaker 2: I am genuinely.
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  Speaker 1: Curious how much they bought a house for then and
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  Speaker 1: how much does it work today.
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  Speaker 4: So when I was growing up, my parent, my mom especially,
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  Speaker 4: was like kids know what kids know, and grown ups
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  Speaker 4: know what grown ups know.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna be honest and say I honestly.
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  Speaker 4: And truly never knew what I can tell you, though,
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  Speaker 4: is we have lived there long enough and remodeled, renovated,
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  Speaker 4: change things, et cetera, that we have not completely paid
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  Speaker 4: it off.
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  Speaker 3: So we have pulled money out.
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  Speaker 4: Which is the beauty of real estate as an investment,
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  Speaker 4: right is you can use it in over time, you
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  Speaker 4: can allow yourself to reinvest in yourself to beautify the
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  Speaker 4: space that you're in through taking money out of your
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  Speaker 4: house and then paying for that mortgage. So it's not
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  Speaker 4: paid off even forty plus I'll say forty plus years later.
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  Speaker 1: So that's like basically saying that the house is gorgeous.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: We think it is beautiful, it works beautiful, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: quite honestly, my mother has Alzheimer's, and so what that
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  Speaker 4: means is that we have been able to change the
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  Speaker 4: space to create a little mini apartment for her inside
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  Speaker 4: the house, in a place that's familiar to her. Because if,
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  Speaker 4: as you may know, with Alzheimer's patients, for them, everything
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  Speaker 4: familiar is better. So if they can really and truly
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  Speaker 4: be in a place where they know, hey, around this
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  Speaker 4: corner is my bedroom, then that.
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  Speaker 3: Is very helpful to them.
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  Speaker 4: That's another reason why I feel especially blessed that we've
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  Speaker 4: held on to the house because we didn't know that
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  Speaker 4: our mom was going to develop Alzheimer's. But I'm so
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  Speaker 4: glad that she's able to be in a space that's
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  Speaker 4: been familiar to her for so long.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it kind of goes back to the naming
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  Speaker 1: of this episode, is gonna be mc legacy legacy because
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  Speaker 1: you guys definitely like even just saying that you kept
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  Speaker 1: this house shows that you guys value this family culture
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  Speaker 1: that you guys have. Kind of your parents kind of
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  Speaker 1: knew you guys as a whole built so you and
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  Speaker 1: your sister at the time. Are they when you're doing this?
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  Speaker 1: Are they cops? And and would your mom do social worker?
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  Speaker 3: Social worker?
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  Speaker 4: So my parents got involved in the early nineteen eighties,
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  Speaker 4: so this would have been even after we had McDonald's.
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  Speaker 4: But as you can imagine, if you're going from a
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  Speaker 4: career where you're used to catching criminals or helping families,
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  Speaker 4: you don't know anything about McDonald's or being your own
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  Speaker 4: business owner or anything like that. So they were a
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  Speaker 4: lot of times away from home. So my sister and
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  Speaker 4: I will be home by ourselves, and we had to
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  Speaker 4: figure out how we were going to eat because unlike
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  Speaker 4: my very coddle children who are left with meals and
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  Speaker 4: all the other.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of stuff. My mother was like, figure it out,
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  Speaker 3: and we did.
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  Speaker 4: And so this was one of the things that we
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  Speaker 4: knew that we could cook that would taste good. You know,
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  Speaker 4: we're not as you know, as a restaurant tour I know,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know that we were thinking about this, but
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  Speaker 4: there's no food safety issues, you can, I feel pretty sure,
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  Speaker 4: although I honestly don't remember.
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  Speaker 3: I think we would have.
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  Speaker 4: Probably cooked the hot dogs in the microwave. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know that we were necessarily using the stovetop.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, hey, in here there's no microwaves, so
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  Speaker 1: I like it no microwave, So making it work?
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  Speaker 2: And how hard was it?
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  Speaker 1: Do you know at least the history of like what
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  Speaker 1: it took for your parents to get a McDonald's and
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  Speaker 1: how did they stumble upon the opportunity.
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  Speaker 4: So at the time, my mother's only sister, her name
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  Speaker 4: or she's my auntie Jane, she was and her husband
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  Speaker 4: were a franchisees at the time. They were in the
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  Speaker 4: San Diego market and the and you know, they were
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  Speaker 4: enfranchising even longer than my mom, and so my parents
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  Speaker 4: were like, we have our good government job, so we're
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  Speaker 4: not tripping. And at some point in time, there was
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  Speaker 4: an African American regional manager who at the time was
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  Speaker 4: responsible for finding franchisees well. He as well as McDonald's
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  Speaker 4: as a corporation, they were looking to increase the number
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  Speaker 4: of black franchisees. So when he met my I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you know, my aunt became an approved operator, and I
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  Speaker 4: think he met my mother and thought and proposed the idea.
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  Speaker 4: They were kind of like, huh okay, And so they
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  Speaker 4: both cashed in the retirement at their good government jobs.
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  Speaker 4: And that your eyes just got big because it was
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  Speaker 4: a big deal.
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  Speaker 2: That's a high risk move.
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  Speaker 4: That's a very high risk move, right, They cashed in
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  Speaker 4: their retirements and bought their first restaurant. Now, my sister
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  Speaker 4: and I were young girls at the time, so it
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  Speaker 4: was really you know.
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  Speaker 3: It was a big deal. It was a big risk,
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  Speaker 3: but somehow they had the courage to do it.
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  Speaker 1: That's a lot did that Now, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: skip forward, but I'm gonna So did that amount of
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  Speaker 1: pressure play a role in possible separation later on?
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  Speaker 4: No, So their separation was very specifically around my father
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  Speaker 4: being a gambling addict. And I do talk about this
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  Speaker 4: very openly in my book. My father was a gambler
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  Speaker 4: for years, and while my mom knew that he liked
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  Speaker 4: to go to the racetrack and you know, bid on horses,
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  Speaker 4: she never realized that it had developed into a habit
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  Speaker 4: that he couldn't control. And so, as you can imagine,
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  Speaker 4: you know, this day and age, we are very used
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  Speaker 4: to walking into a bank shoot at this point, right,
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  Speaker 4: we do apple pay or. People weren't using a lot
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  Speaker 4: of credit cards back in the early nineteen eighties.
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  Speaker 3: They were using a lot of cash.
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  Speaker 4: And so my father, being a gambling addict, surrounded by cash,
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  Speaker 4: would literally take whole envelopes of money from the register
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  Speaker 4: that should go into the bank, right and being building
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  Speaker 4: McDonald's money.
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  Speaker 1: Which oh, no, Papa, no, Papa, yes, said yes.
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  Speaker 4: And so basically he gambled away a lot of money.
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  Speaker 4: It was, I'll say, to put it briefly, it was
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  Speaker 4: a very very large financial infidelity. I'm just gonna put
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  Speaker 4: that there, yeah, okay, yeah, And so my mom was
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  Speaker 4: not able to forgive that. She was not able to
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  Speaker 4: get past the fact that he had, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: think for her, honestly, I don't know if it was
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  Speaker 4: so much like the oh, he's been financially unfaithful to me,
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  Speaker 4: as how could you be so selfish as to ruin
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  Speaker 4: the potentially ruin the lives of your wife, but even
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  Speaker 4: more importantly, your daughters. We've done this, We've taken this
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  Speaker 4: risk so that your daughters could have something more than
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  Speaker 4: we ever thought we could have. And she just could
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  Speaker 4: not get past that, and so she didn't and then
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  Speaker 4: so then she decided to divorce him. Now, as you
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  Speaker 4: can imagine, their Black franchises, this is the mid nineteen nineties,
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  Speaker 4: mid to late nineteen nineties. And how long were they
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  Speaker 4: the franchise at that point, Somewhere in the range of
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  Speaker 4: seven or eight years. I don't know exactly, because I'll
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  Speaker 4: say this, I'm pretty sure I was in sixth grade. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: so somewhere in sixth grade, you're around ten or eleven.
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  Speaker 4: So around the mid to late eighties, they had been
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  Speaker 4: in around seven or so years, six or seven and
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  Speaker 4: they only owned one at.
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  Speaker 3: The time, or they owned two at the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's high pressure. She's under two, ye.
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  Speaker 4: Right, you know, so she was, you know, appropriately unable
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  Speaker 4: to forgive that fine.
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  Speaker 3: So she was prepared to leave him. The issue.
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  Speaker 4: Is that she was the black woman in the nineteen
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  Speaker 4: eighties with two young daughters, and so she had to
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  Speaker 4: figure out one is McDonald's gonna let me even continue?
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  Speaker 4: Because the way that they all found out was we
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  Speaker 4: were on a vacation. We used to go to Lake
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  Speaker 4: Havasu with a bunch of other cops in their families.
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  Speaker 3: We were on vacation. They called her and said, your
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  Speaker 3: bills have not been paid.
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  Speaker 2: Oh heck no, ye see, so he's gambling.
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  Speaker 4: And if there's one thing any corporation like McDonald's is like,
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  Speaker 4: is gonna not go for They're not going for their
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  Speaker 4: bills not being paid.
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  Speaker 1: So so just to backtrack for everyone that doesn't know,
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  Speaker 1: can you do like a brief breakdown of McDonald's. I
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  Speaker 1: have an idea that what it is, but definitely not
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  Speaker 1: nearly as much knowledge as you do. So just do
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  Speaker 1: a snapshot so people understand why you guys would be
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  Speaker 1: paying McDonald's bills.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, so.
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  Speaker 4: Enfranchising, you have to pay what's called a franchising fee
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  Speaker 4: or a royalty.
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  Speaker 3: Use this knife before you burn yours.
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  Speaker 4: Stabbing, thank you, So you have to pay a royalty
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  Speaker 4: in order to be in business, and so we were
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  Speaker 4: they were not paying he was not paying that royalty fee.
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  Speaker 4: All that cash, unfortunately, was going to support his gambling
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  Speaker 4: habit and so and you know, and of course there's
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  Speaker 4: a variety of other bills.
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  Speaker 3: So we have vendors.
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  Speaker 4: Some of those vendors might if McDonald's pays the vendors first,
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  Speaker 4: we will pay McDonald's back. Or the vendor is calling
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  Speaker 4: McDonald's saying, hey, we haven't gotten paid for food and
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  Speaker 4: in a certain amount of time, can you go to
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  Speaker 4: your owner operator and find out what's going on, because
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  Speaker 4: we are one of the biggest things that we're specifically
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  Speaker 4: held accountable to as franchisees. It's paying our bills on
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  Speaker 4: time like that is there are franchising standards.
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  Speaker 3: That's one of them. Pay your bills on time?
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  Speaker 2: And is this back?
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  Speaker 1: Did McDonald's have a McDonald's university back then?
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  Speaker 3: It's called Hamburger University?
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, yes, I did a little bit of research.
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  Speaker 3: Come on, all right, I'm a proud graduate of that's HU, right?
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  Speaker 2: And how many years is hu?
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  Speaker 3: HU is? A week?
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  Speaker 5: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: It's a week? Is it week? Two years?
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  Speaker 4: It's okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna give you details how
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  Speaker 4: that works out.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so wait, wait, backtrack. So your mom is on vacation.
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  Speaker 3: Mom's on vacation, all of them were all on vacation.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, she gets a call, she gets the call.
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  Speaker 4: The call says, you have not been paying your bills,
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  Speaker 4: and she says, holy stuff, holy but Jolie, and she
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  Speaker 4: then you know, I don't think we left the trip,
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  Speaker 4: but I think it because it was kind of like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: surely this cannot be the case, Like, that's not.
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  Speaker 3: Would you like mustard on ketchup on yours?
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it the way you do it first, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I want to live the whole experience.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, so I don't have enough cheese. I'm gonna great
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  Speaker 3: a little more cheese.
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  Speaker 4: But so yeah, So then we get back, we realize
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  Speaker 4: that the bills, in fact, she realized, because I didn't
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  Speaker 4: know anything, she realized at the time that in fact,
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  Speaker 4: the bills had not been paid and that McDonald's was
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  Speaker 4: mad about it. And so it becomes a question of, well,
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  Speaker 4: what happens do they just kick the whole family out.
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  Speaker 4: My mom, because she's amazing, was able to convince McDonald's
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  Speaker 4: to let her stay in the business. And that it
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  Speaker 4: was my father who was the gambler who should be
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  Speaker 4: kicked out, and they agreed to that. And so, you know,
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  Speaker 4: people have a lot of things to say about McDonald's,
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  Speaker 4: and everybody has their.
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  Speaker 3: Own story experience.
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  Speaker 4: One of my biggest feelings about McDonald's is gratitude for
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  Speaker 4: giving my mother, a single woman at the time, a
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  Speaker 4: chance to prove that she was more than what her
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  Speaker 4: husband had done to her.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, and so.
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  Speaker 4: And the reason why that feels so palpable to me
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  Speaker 4: especially is because she did have to take steps to
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  Speaker 4: buy my father out because you know, he.
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  Speaker 2: Was a co owner, and then she toy that dead too.
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  Speaker 3: Well, she did not immediately because she couldn't.
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  Speaker 4: But she Your question is a good one. She had
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  Speaker 4: to get financing to be able, said as low as possible.
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  Speaker 4: She had to get financing to be able to buy
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  Speaker 4: him out and put herself in a position to repay
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  Speaker 4: this debt.
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  Speaker 1: So she had to even get into even more debt.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, geez.
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  Speaker 2: She had to really believe in herself too, right, she.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, and have the fortitude.
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  Speaker 4: And as you're grieving your marriage, yea grieving the vision
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  Speaker 4: that you had for your life, you're caring for your
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  Speaker 4: daughters who are so young and basically don't know anything
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  Speaker 4: you know, and so it's at the.
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  Speaker 1: Time, did you guys see her in any like emotional
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  Speaker 1: distress or was she like a gangster?
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  Speaker 4: She was an absolute gangster. I'm gonna tell you about
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  Speaker 4: that in a second. But what I want to get
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  Speaker 4: back to your question of the reason why I keep
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  Speaker 4: harping on black single woman is because my mom went
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  Speaker 4: to bank after bank trying to get the financing to
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  Speaker 4: dig herself out of this hole, and bank after bank
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  Speaker 4: after bank said no, they would not give her money.
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  Speaker 4: And in fact, one of them when she walked in
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  Speaker 4: said to her, where is your husband? And she said,
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  Speaker 4: I don't have one, And they were like, there's nothing
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: we can do for you.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: Until one day she walked into the Culver City branch
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: was even either Culver City or Baldwin Hills branch of Wells.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Fargo Bank to Wells Fargo, there was.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: A black woman there named Mona Maze, and my mom
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: laid it all on the line for Mona, and Mona
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: said okay, and she was able to get my mom
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: the financing that she need needed to move on by
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: my dad out get herself right with McDonald's and plan
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: for a future where she paid off the debt just
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: like you said.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Holy cow. So and she had to go through multiple
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: multiple for that.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I had read that and I was like I even
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: called Wells trying to get your contact.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: It was like, girl, you don't get off my phone
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: with this.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: But it's true, true, And that was in I mean,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: no disrespect to the banks, but that was hard time
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: too as a black black woman, like she wasn't even white.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: She was definitely like the opposite of and McDonald's is
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: almost like a forsurable you know when someone comes up
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: with a McDonald's loan. I heard those are like yes,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: you know, so she had she had to go through
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: all that into to still fight and press on.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Yet she's pretty incredible.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: You do rep the fact that she was a single mom.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I just became a single mom and I just wore
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: them days be hard, you know, especially handling it with grace, right,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: you know, because they love to like be out there
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: like well she was a bitter or whatever, but like
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: to handle it with grace in a situation where it
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: was like to be honest, unfair.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and she I can say with total honesty. Never
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: bad mouthed my dad did. We've only over the years
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: kind of gotten details out of her about what happened.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: She wasn't trying to like harp on anything bad about him.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: She was just like, it's me now, and you know,
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: we're rolling. And so we were lucky at the time
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: we had a woman. She was our babysitter and babysitter
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: to Minnie, and so we spent a lot of time
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: in her house, like you know, at the end of
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: the day, Like my mom had to really be physically
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: present in those restaurants a lot. And I think that's
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: really kind of where learning how to cook.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Things like this came from.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Wow, Oh my god, can the camera see that?
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know they can see it. That is crazy.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: That's been a long time.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Do you feel just sidebar, we have to name we
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: have to name drop this.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: What was the can you just tell us like thirty
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: seconds about this chop winning yeah situation.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, So I was in Washington, d C.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: At this amazing event called the Family Reunion, and there
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: was a chopped style not chopped, but chopped style competition.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Mister three baskets, three rounds, the whole nine and I
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: was on a team with four people including my sister
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: and this other one wonderful woman I was on the
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: other panel with and then a total stranger, and we won.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: We were the overall Chop champions.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, and I only had to shout that out because
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: this is something that I'm definitely I haven't even tried it,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna make it for my daughter.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Ooh, I'm gonna do thrids. Okay, oh sorry.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I'll take those, Sorry, Primellion.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: This looks like something my daughter would absolutely love because
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: she just loves cheese.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I'll get her spaghetti. And it was just big cannam
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: with cheese. But this is all gooey. The bread is toasted,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: which I do like.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: The Other thing I love about this is she used butter,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: and if you know anything about me, I.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Use a stick of butter like every two days.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: It's really bad. This is why I have fat over
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: my abs. But this is gooey, cheesy, and you put
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: the mustard underneath. So I am dying to try it.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna let us sit for like two sicks. It's
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: a little it is hot. It's hot, but before I
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: take a bite into it, let's go back, so your
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: mom successfully handles this transaction. You guys have no idea
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: babysitters are stepping in. Is your father still in the
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: picture kind of or does he like to a Houdini?
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: He pretty much does a Hudini?
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Does that suck?
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry that happened to me in my situation. I'm like, why,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: because then it's like double the responsibility, right.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I obviously cannot speak for my father. He is deceased. Now.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: I think he was ashamed, and I think that shame
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: can be a lot not excusing his absence, but I
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: think he was just very embarrassed and because not only
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: did he mess everything up financially for my mother, sister,
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: and I, but he had borrowed from friends, from family,
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: like it was a it was an addiction, and so
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: you know, I don't treat that any differently than a
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: drug addiction that makes people make really bad decisions. But
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: I just think he, you know, as they said, my
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: mom got the friends, my mom got the life, she
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: got the businesses, she got the kids, she got the
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: she got everything, and he just kind of, you know,
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: crawled away into obsoletion. One of I think Nicole and
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: I Nicole's my sister. One of our shared regrets in
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: life is that somewhere we lived together after uh she
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: had already graduated from college. We both went to college
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: in the Bay Area and we lived together, and we
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: had reached out to a friend of his and gotten
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: his phone number, and we had his phone number on
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: our kid on our kitchen refrigerator, and we were planning
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: to reach out to him, really just in the spirit
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: of we're doing great, how are you like? We hadn't
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: talked spoken him in years, and he died before we
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: had a chance to reach out to him, and so
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: I wish that we had reached out to him and
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: re established that connection. I before I have my first son,
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: I remember talking to my husband and I was like, Babe,
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Like, what do dads do? I feel like I don't
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: really know what dads do.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: And you know, I mean he was definitely around until early,
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: you know, middle elementary, sixth or seventh grade, but I
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: didn't never I certainly never got a chance to develop
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: a relationship with him as a teen, as a college student,
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: as an adult, all those things.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: And I think we both wish that we had. So
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: he never like touched base again. No and then how
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: did your mom like she just did she? What story
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: did she come up with to make you, guys palette it?
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: So I think the worst or not, I almost say
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: the worst, but probably one of them, the most difficult
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: pieces of it that we never talked about it. There
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: was no acknowledgement that we should have feelings about the
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: fact that my parents were divorcing.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: I talked about this in the.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Book so like it wasn't even like but there was.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you exactly how it happened.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we came home from wherever school, the babysitters wherever,
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: and my mom said, your dad and I are getting divorced.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: And we said, so that means that I think. I said,
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: so Dad's not going to live here anymore, and she
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: said no, And then I started crying for a few minutes,
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: and then my sister started crying, and then my mom
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: started crying, and then we all stopped crying.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: And we literally never spoke of it ever again.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Now we're there.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: But I can't imagine you There was something you said
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: earlier in our interview that kind of makes sense. Why
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: maybe you guys, but I don't look at my.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Little daughter, she's three.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: She goes through phase of missing her dad, and she's
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: like very expressive, like I miss daddy or whatever whatever.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: It's really kind of sad. H it's actually sad.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: No, No, I try to make like I just do
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I miss too. But it was your space because earlier
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: in the interview you said my mom was the type
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: that this is adult conversation or a kid. Do you
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: feel like you didn't feel comfortable enough to say, hey,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I miss my dad, where is he or where are
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: you having those conversations?
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: She was like adult kid.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: So I've had enough therapy to know that I didn't
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: know how to verbalize that I missed my dad. And
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: also I think my for whatever, and this is gonna
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: sound crazy, my mom would not have been a person
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: that I would have gone to to express the feelings
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: she was not. And and I said, she is wonderful
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: in many ways, but emotionally available, she is not. So
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: we we didn't live in a household where we were
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: hugging and kissing. It wasn't abusive, but it wasn't affectionate,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: either verbally or physically.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: You know, And so it wasn't you know.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: I never went to my mom like, oh, this guy
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: just broke my heart or you know, oh, I'm going
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: shopping for a prom dress.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: My mom wasn't a part of that.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Was just wasn't that person.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, so it was like that was the that was
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: that was our householder, that was your household culture, that
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: was our household culture. That's that's I could only imagine
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: how difficult that would be because, yeah, I mean just
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: because I'm just a new mom and I see my
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: daughter very much.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Expressive, like oh my bady, I saw fly so much.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: My goodness, girlfriend.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: But but it makes sense if culturally in this household.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: You know, I grew up in a house where my
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: mom didn't hug us, so like that was just the
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: norm I longed for. So now this poor child is
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: a hugger, cuddler, and I love you, right, but I
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: get it. So it doesn't sound crazy. It just sounds
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: like it's unfortunate that you guys had to experience that.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And like I said, I've been lucky enough to
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: have enough therapy. I think the biggest impact for us.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: And I talk about this very I think rationally because
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: in my in my experience, I've really had to learn
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: how to connect with feelings because I.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Never you are you grew up disassociated.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Very disassociated from feeling like we never you know.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: So last night my youngest son is being baptized at
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: the end of this month. We had a conversation with
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: the pastor and his wife of that church and they said, Cyrus,
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: how are you feeling? And he said nervous, but I
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: feel okay, And they were like, glad that you were
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: able to My kids have lots of emotional language. My
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: mom wasn't acknowledging that I was sad or angry or fearful.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: We never, we didn't have conversations around emotional language, and
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: she certainly didn't express those things to us. So you said,
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: you asked me, how did she handle it? She didn't
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: know how to handle it any other way than a jeep.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: She put her head down. She's like, I'm about to
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: save this whole situation. I'm taking care of my daughters.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Did you ever see her crime in that moment.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Where she said the divorce, the divorce? But other than that, no,
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: did you?
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Did you and your sister have those I have a
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: twin sister.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Exciting to those of us who don't have twins, it's
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: so cooling.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: It's all exciting. If you look alike.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: But did you and your sister talk about those emotions
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: at all or at the time where you just so disassociated,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: you didn't know what those feelings, how to identify those feelings.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: Over time, yes, we've grown up to start having those
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: convers but we weren't like little girls in the room
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: because we shared a room for a long time, but
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: we were not little girls in the room saying you know, oh,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: I wish that mom, you wish that mom would.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Hug you, or we didn't know, or I miss it. It
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: was just or no, geez, that's a lot. I don't know,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: and it sounds.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: Crazy to say out loud, but that I can't be anything.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I don't think it sounds crazy. I think there's people
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: out there that can relate. And I'm glad you're open
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: enough and you've done enough work to say it, because
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: people go through this, even in twenty twenty four. I mean,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: mental health is still brand new to the world. But
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: it's just crazy to think about the family legacy and
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: still see these pockets of.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: What's the word like.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Passed on little demons, you know, kind of I don't
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: know the word that I would use, but generational.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, a part of it is trauma. And the
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: reason why I say trauma, excuse me. I one time
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: asked my mom, you know what, and this was I was,
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: this was relatively advanced in her journey with Alzheimer's, but
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: she was at this time much more kind of aware,
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: and she's aware and alert, but she definitely her illness
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: continues to increase, right, And so I asked her, you know,
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: I forget the exact question, but something along the lines of,
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: you know, what was your life like when you were young,
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: or like how did you what did you when your
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: brothers and sisters you were or how do you feel
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: like the emotional things were happening in your household? And
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: her response to me was, you know, when my brothers
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: and sisters left the house, I was not even sure
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: that they would come home safely because we lived in
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: New Orleans in the nineteen forties and fifties, and your
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: family members sometimes would just disappear, So we weren't developing connections.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: We could afford to be hyper emotionally connected. And that really,
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: I was like, A, this makes a lot of sense
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: to me because I can look at my mother and
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: all of her siblings and see they are wonderful and
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: loving people. But my generation, me and our cousins, we
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: are so much more effusively real, you know, emotional when
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: it comes to connecting with each other than all of
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: my mom and her parents. I don't know how we've
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: all kind of gotten out of started to break that cycle,
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: but it's so clear to me where it starts, and
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: that this is really a part of the African American
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: systemic racist experience, that we carry that, and.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: We you and I we're moms.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: You know, my kids are older than yours, but we're
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: moms raising the same generation of kids, and our kids
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: will have a very different experience. I don't know if
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: you've had therapy, but I have, my husband has, and
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: so we now know how important it is when I
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: make a mistake, I apologize to my kids, and.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: That's me right, yes, And.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I think also people need to remember apology is the
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: best way to end the argument. They're all gonna be
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: arguing mad all day. An apology will reset it to
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: you know, it's the best hidden secret accountability. Same thing
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I did it, I'm sorry, won't happen again, or I'll
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: try to do better, I can't do better, or whatever.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: But accountability and apology is probably.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: The easiest way to end nagging drama, arguing everything, and people.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: Like for what?
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: But I am curious and this is a sidebar, and
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: we got to go back to your story because I.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Want to hear about it.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: But as a mom, I feel like what makes me
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: resilient and probably makes you and your sister resilient, I'm
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: gonna use the word resilient and your mother resilient is
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: probably the hardship that you had to go through. When
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I look at my teeny bopper and I heard you
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: say coddle to your kid. You came from your mouth. Okay,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know your kid, but do you feel like
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: and I'm definitely afraid of this is I want my
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: daughter to have this resilience, this like.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Grit, right? But maybe girl? I mean, she already showing
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: signs of coddled.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: You know, she has the best or whatever, And I
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: take pride in it because we come from nothing. But
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: are you fearful that the coddling will take away that resilience?
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Is it possible to love and create that grit of resilience?
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Is it even possible?
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: So here's because I think about this often and even
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: you know. So my husband and I were moving and
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: we were like, should we stay here in this slightly
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: grittier community or do we move to this slightly more
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: upscale community.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: What do we want our kids to experience? What is
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: it going to mean?
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: So I say, that's one example of all the different
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: ways that I think about and I worry about how
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: my kids, especially my boys. I have two black boys
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: that I'm raising. What does it look like? And so
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: the way that I resolve this issue for me is
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: one I do try to make sure that I build
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: in moments of shall we say, the need for resilience
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: in our household. So our boys they you know, they
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: start with chores and maybe ten is a little bit late.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: So don't yell at me if ten it is too late.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: They start with chores at ten, laundry, trash, all that
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: stuff that they're responsible for that they have to be
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: willing to earn.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Also, try to build in some amount of like financial accountability,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: so they do get an allowance, they're not out allowed
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: to spend outside of it unless they get money. Like
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: for a birthday has an Apple watch. He bought it
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: with his own birthday money.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: I'm not buying you an Apple Watch because you don't
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: need one, and I'm not spending that much money on
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: a device for a kid. You got the birthday money,
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: you have at it, you go for it. But I'm
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: not doing that, and so we do. I do try
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: to make sure I draw some financial boundary so they
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: don't just think, oh, whatever it is, I can get
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: it and it's all good.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, my kids as
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: was I.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: Because I went to a private school from seventh through
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: really out my whole life, but an elite private school
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: from seventh through twelfth grade, my kids are going to
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: have a similar experience and their peers parents have the
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: privilege to not think about these things, and yet their
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: kids grow up with a level of accountability and resilience
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: in some way, shape or form, because they do go
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: on to.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Do things right.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: They go on to be professionals and have careers and
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: go to college and be responsible. So I feel like
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: I'm probably just raising a child that may be more
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: similarly situated to some of their peers.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Not completely, because trust.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Me, we were doing our first sleepover at a friend's
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: house and I'm driving there, like, hey, you see this neighborhood.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: This ain't our neighborhood. You see, you see their house,
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: and how that we don't live like that. So don't
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: go in there touching. Look in feel you have a
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: different life than a lot of these kids. But they
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: perhaps get to experience more of the creature comforts than
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: you and I did. But they're still they're gonna see
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: things and they're going to know that they're different. One
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: because of the color of their skin. And two, I
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: don't know how you're living, but I'm not living like
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: the people where I took my son to this house.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, And so.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: You know, I think that that you know, you get
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: there are moments in time where your kids are going
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: to have to They're gonna they are they're regardless, They're
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: gonna have to navigate these situations in a variety of
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: different ways, and that's going to build resilience in ways
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: that I think you're not giving yourself or your child
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: credit for it.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: And I hope so, I mean, three years old, I'm
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: getting lectures from the friends saying, oh, come on, man,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: you you about to create a monster. All right, let's
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: take a bite of this. I didn't want the cheese
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: to get this cold. But let's try it.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'll been play too much better on the first one.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: I'm not giving you credit yet.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I'm not giving you credit.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: Well, you complain about these turkey hot dogs, but they
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: are good.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: I want to get the mustard and the cheese together.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: I'm the lie.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: This is great, but I want more of the you know,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: I'm happy.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: It's great.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I could see why you didn't do to touch it.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: It's the mustard and cheese. Wow, that's good for you listeners.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, hold on, it was good.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I gave you my list of
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: ingredients you want me to give you while you're taking
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: your sip?
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead, all right. So we kind of.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: Talked about it as we went along. But your simple
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: ingredients are gonna be hot dogs. If you're a vegan,
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: I guess you could do vegan dogs, or you can
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: do we have some turkey dogs and we have some
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: classic dogs here. I prefer a block of sadared cheese
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: that you great. I'm not gonna lie. When we were
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: growing up, we had pre shredded cheese, but I prefer
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: freshly grated cheese. So I asked for a block of cheese,
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: regular old frenches, yellow mustard, and a hot dog bun
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: of your choice.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Those are really all for ingredients, but.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I want to highlight that she toasted the bread in
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: butter both sides.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, that makes a huge world of a difference.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: So you're out there in your cabinets at home pulling
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: out some cold ass bread and put some cheese on it.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: It's not gonna work. She put the mustard directly on
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: the hot dog. Then she put the shredded cheddar on top,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: re put it in the pan, heated it up so
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: it melts it over the mustard.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Brilliantly done. I feel like a celebrity chef. I mean,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: what do you call it? The person that judges them?
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Back to your story, let's go back to the legacy.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Sorry to sidetrack with the parents and you think I'm
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: still in the new mom trying to figure out ray
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: and Jesus, I don't raise a monster. But back to
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: your mom's story. Your dad's been gone for a while.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Your mom, I'm assuming, pays off the debts, gets some
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: good graces. How many restaurants does she have at this point?
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Excuse me?
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: So mom eventually had an opportunity that was presented to
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: her to buy, to sell her to high volume in
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: slightly more la I'm sorry, in slightly wider areas Clover
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: City adjacent and then about a mile or so away
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: on what was then Rodeo and Los Librea, sell those
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: to higher volume restaurants and buy restaurants in Compton and
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Lynnwood area.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: And she decided to do that. So in nineteen ninety five.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: Why was she encouraged to do that she was offered
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: the opportunity to because first of all, it's a little
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: bit easier at times to run an organization with larger
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: with a larger number of restaurants. These current times were
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: in very, very challenging for a variety of reasons. We
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: are able to survive as an organization and float literally
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: float sinking a little bit because it's such hard times
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: because of the size of our organization. When you're a
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: smaller number of restaurants operator, it's difficult you can't spread
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: the losses out as wide and so and also for Mom,
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: you know, it was important to her that she demonstrate
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: to anybody out there that a restaurant in a predominantly
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: black and brown community can be as successful successfully want
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: as successfully run, as profitable and as reputable as a
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: restaurant in you know, in an area that's Culver City adjacent.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: But I'm just curious, why was why was it important
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: for them to say give up these two.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: For for those two because that was the finances of
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: the deal. Those two restaurants were worth about the same
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: as these other five.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Oh it was two for five?
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: Correct?
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, that's that's okay, that's where I got lost.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Sorry, No, what's going on? I'm sorry, and I may
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: have missmoken. I'm sorry. So she's so too for five?
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, Oh, well go ahead, mama, be it be.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: A boss.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: That sounds like a good deal. Okay, so she did.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: Okay, so from there, so from there she steadily grew.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Now I was very happy. I knew since the tenth
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: grade I wanted to be a lawyer. I didn't have
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: any interest in the businesses.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: And like when she came home and said, you got
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: to do a ship? Did you ever have to do
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: a ship to McDonald's.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: She never required us to work in the restaurant. I
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: did choose to work there the summer between tenth and
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: eleventh grade, and I was apparently pretty slow and you know,
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: kind of a mess. But you know, I did it.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: I wanted to earn some extra cash, and so I did.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: But she never even asked us to come in and
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: take over the business. She was very much like, I
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: got this and I'm cool and if you're ever interested, sure,
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: But she never pushed us. And that's a big part
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: of what I talk about in my book, which is
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: important for family businesses. If you want to really establish
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: something that you want to transfer to another generation or
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: even just another family member, it's got to be that
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: person's choice. It can't be compulsion, or you just end
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: up building resentment. They feel like they have lost opportunities,
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: they haven't gotten out of their system what their true
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: passions were, and then they're coming to join the family
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: business by choice because they want to.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: It's not an act of desperation. For example, now.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: With your case, since you did try out a job
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: at McDonald's where you like, oh, hells to the know exactly, lawyer,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: it is, yes, And I was like, this is not.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: For me, Like I knew early on, McDonald's was not
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: from me, or I believed obviously, And I also had
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: a passion for I knew that I would be a
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: good lawyer, Like that's what I really wanted to do
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: in my heart. So I did, and I was successful
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: at it, and I loved it. I really really enjoyed
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: being a lawyer. And so for me, you know. And
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: so I say that to say, I'm having my you know,
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: going to law school, having my legal career. Mom is
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: steadily growing. So by the time I fast forward to
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: twenty thirteen, my son Caleb is one. I had moved
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: home from the Bay Area to be with my now husband.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: We you know, had this We actually I moved, of
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: course before I had the baby. So I'm closer to
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: my sister and we always have been very close. I
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: see my mom and my sister in this business. I'm
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: going to some of like their were their holiday party.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: So your sister did choose to go directly into McDonald's.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Now, she also had a ten plus year career in
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: social work.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Oh so she went to mama's old Yes okay, okay, yes, okay, okay.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: So she she did.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: She graduated from her master's program in ninety four and
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: then didn't join mom until two thousand and three.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, And did both you guys join at the same time.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: No, two thousand and three and twenty thirteen, ten years.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Old day, So did did your sister start planning little
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: seeds of come joy?
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: Well kind of, And it was leave it to a
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: big sister, right she was, you know, and I'm observing,
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: like there's no substitute for seeing Well, first of all,
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: any person's ever been in the family business, but McDonald's,
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: especially you would be. I would be around them, and
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: that's all they want to talk about is McDonald's and
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: this employee in this meeting and this election. And I
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: was like, all you guys ever do talk about is
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: talk about McDonald's driving me crazy?
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: But Thanksgiving and talking about McDonald's over the turkey? Can
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: we just eat the turkey?
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: And they ever beef at all? Like then it's over McDonald's.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: No, No, I know, sorry, but I know that would
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: have been an exciting story.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: But well, knowing your family, y'all wasn't talking about emotions anywhere.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: We weren't and I mean, trust me, what we weren't.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: There's no beef with Patricia, Like you don't beef with her?
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Oh that's you.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: You, yes, you roll with what Patricia is doing or
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: you hit the road you know, so it wasn't no
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: room for Beethan.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: So how many McDonald's did your sister and your mother before.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: You before thirteen thirteen? Now the ad twenty one? Right?
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Wow? Okay, so so you joined the squad? Now are
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: they receptive to you or are they like.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Girlfriend, we don't tell you what it's done, and if
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: you don't listen, we told you.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: So, I mean, that's like the best question, right, because
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: they welcomed me, and I was like, great, here's all
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: the things that we need to do now that I'm here.
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: I'm an employment lawyer expert, so this is what we
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: need to do. And they were an employment law that's
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: a big deal.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: That's actually great.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: It was.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: It was a great asset to the scene, the biggest asset.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you are walking in there like, oh guess what? No,
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: So first on day one, like everybody else, I started
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: on fries. Everybody else day.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: One, the attorney. So I started on fries.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: I was a senior director at twenty for our finis.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: I had responsibility for half of the United States.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Okay, on Friday and then on Monday, I was working
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: the fries.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I can I say this? Well, why we gotta.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Do you like that?
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Why they had to do you like?
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Is that?
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Like? Do you think that's a black people think? Do
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: you think what they did was right?
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Do you?
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Because it's hilarious.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: Let me tell you why it matters and why I
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: would not have done it any differently because it was
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: literally fries.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: I went through all the stations.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: If I am, because everybody knew when I came in
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: that I was on the track to become an owner operator.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: But if I I can't come in and tell you
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: how to work fries if I've never worked fries and
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: sucked at it and then had to take a few
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: weeks to get good at it. Same thing for the
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: cashier window, same thing for the kitchen.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: But they were really put you through all that.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: I I got there at four in the morning and
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: did prep. You DoD have no attitude. I worked over night. No,
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: I did all the things.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: No cursing out, no hang ups. Come on, now, what
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: could I say?
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know nothing.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: But you worked there when you was a.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: Teenager, like fifteen years before that.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Can me tell you something?
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, sidebar, Okay, guys, I worked at McDonald's was my
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: first job. Okay, that job is hard, Okay, French fries,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: the burgers, the little cheese, the egg that comes out
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: of the carton, all that shit was hard. I burned
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: myself on the thing, flat oven thing. The cashier job
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: was hard. There was not one position in McDonald's that
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: was not hard. By the time I was done with McDonald's,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: I was permanently banned because I was a prankster, had
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: a big.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Mouth that I couldn't even order food.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: When I was done, I still am ashamed to pull
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: up in that McDonald's. But and a half, do you
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: do you like that? Because you know, if you did
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: it in high school, that job was hard. They sent
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: you back to concentration camp of h E.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: L L on fries. At your level, that's dope of
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: you to like.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Take it as a badge of honor and brag about
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: the fact that you had to start at the French fries.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: First of all, can I pause to say, do you
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: know that you were one and eight? One and eight
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: of all Americans have worked at McDonald's And I am.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Going, oh, by the way, Neo has two.
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, lots of people have Jeff Bezos, Amazon or McDonald's.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Damn, you sound like a McDonald's commercial.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, guys, we are not going to
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: end the interview without me talking about the apps and
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: all that, because I want to get to know when
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: when I go, I'm gonna get this. Don't let me
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: close out without talking about these apps that are saving
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: people a lot of money. Oh, I want to know
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: from your perspective how it feels. Yes, but for the
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: uh going back, So you work in the fries, your
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: sister and walking by.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: You doing snickers jokes, nothing.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: No, she stayed out of there because we knew that.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: So I didn't want people. I didn't want it to me.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: I didn't want people to think I was getting special
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: treatment because who respects that?
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Who respects the boss's kid?
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Who get.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: Of course they did. They knew.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: How could they not.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: Because the general manager is like, oh shit, I got
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: to train the boss's daughter like so you know. But she,
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: I will give her credit. She kept it real. She
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: told me when I was like, you're slow or you're extra.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: Like you look girls get together.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: I love her. She is now one of our key areas.
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: She's been promoted since then. She's amazing. Okay, yeah, so okay,
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: you sound.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Like a good good So I told the most hated
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: job at McDonald's because I got to hear something negative.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: What's the job you hate.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: The most, the hardest.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: The hardest job to me at McDonald's is working second
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: land of drive through because you are taking orders in
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: your headset and you're making all of the drinks for
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: the drive through.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've seen that the other day.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: That was crazy, So imagine and what I didn't realize
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: until I.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: Had to do it breakfast time.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: So your drive through was full of people, A large coffee,
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: three sugars, one cream, do you want it on the side?
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: Uh, medium coffee, no sugar, no cream, iced coffee, frapp it,
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: all that stuff while you're taking orders and making sure
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: it is It is so complex now hard Damn.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: I should have wrote down some of mcdonald'sques. I had
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: some good ones too, but McDonald's the one that got sued.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: I hate to do this to you who got sued
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: for the hot coffee years. This was like, wait, McDonald's
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: McDonald's right, But is McDonald's.
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: If there's a lawsuitent in fast suit, it' McDonald's Because
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: we're the biggest, we're the target.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: And then I will never forget that. I was a
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: little kid, and I said, that's the dumbest lawsuit. I
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: haven't talking about it. It's too hot, But.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: What is your most profitable I know, I'm sorry bar
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: in the hell out of this, but I'm gonna do it.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: What's the most profitable item at McDonald's soda?
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: I knew it.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: I told, let me just.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Tell you something, nothing, nothing more. Okay, I am Jewish
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: and j maake. I'm gonna repeat it a hundred times over.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Nothing bothers me more than people that are sucky at finance.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: I had friends. I got rich friends, stupid rich like yo, yo,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: can you hear me on that side of the house.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Then I got my broke friends. I'll show you the
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: difference instantly. Okay, I'll be on the phone with my
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: rich friends. They talking about taking over the world. You
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: know whatever, my broke friends, what you're doing? Can I
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: get a large sprite for four dollars fifty cents?
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Are you in your car? You would go to the
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: seven eleven ralfs? What do we even talk?
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: You were spending four or five dollars on a soda?
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, don't discriminate on what I did earlier with
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: you with the or chattle, okay, because we needed ice
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: for our situation, so I paid seven dollars for two cups.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: If you wasn't with me, girl would have been like,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: can I get a little plastic cup with the ice?
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Okay? Just know your presence earned that seven dollars. Okay,
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: But it baffles me that soda.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: I thought it was your coffee that was the most
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: proffee is up there too, okay, okay. And then since
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: we hear at it, okay, uh. The when you go
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: on the app, they have the dollar forty nine line fries,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: which by the way, is Jesus on wheels, okay, because
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: I mean we all know if you eat beef, it's
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: the big mac in my opinion, But it's the French
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: fries all day. I don't know what kind of crack
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: you put in the salt.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: None, no crack.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Oh sorry, goshould have even said that.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: Sorry, no cracking the fries.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: No cracking the fries. Sorry. The fries is so damn good.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's the size, the shape.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Even when you.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Try to buy the imitation frozen fries at the store, they.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Still don't come out as good. As McDonald fries. But
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: when I use that app, it gives it to me
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: for a dollar forty nine. Does it annoy you if
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: you have a customer that only pulls into the window
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: they use the app for the dollar forty nine fries?
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: No, you know why because you keep coming back for
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: the dollar forty nine fries. And sometimes you're not just
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: gonna get those fries. Sometimes you're gonna have your baby
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: with you and she's gonna be like, Mommy, can I
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: get a Happy Meal or whatever it is? So no,
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: for all the deals, the best deals are in the app.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: The best deals are in the app, and I actually
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: wanted to do at some point I started, so I
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: think McDonald's was the first one someone put me onto it.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: But I do try not. I purposely the financial savvy
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: and me tries not to spend out of the dollar
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: forty nine. But then recently, I don't know when, but
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: y'all started saying two dollars off the Happy Meal because
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: I really buy the fries for her.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: I'm like, they got me.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: But I try not to drink sweet beverage, so I
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: try to avoid it. But I will admit it's always
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: the dollar forty nine fries. But my daughter never eats
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: the nuggets, never eats anything else. So now every once
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: in a while, when I'm trying to force her there,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: I will do the happy meal and enjoy a high
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Sea Orange. And by the way, you guys added the
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: high Sea Orange with the vanilla and Da Da da flavors.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: But I did want to say, back in the day
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: when I used to do the drinks at McDonald's, they
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: didn't pre measure them. So is it really that hard
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: when the second person taking the order and they push
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: a button in and like circle, Come on, you know
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: Those little machines.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: They pre you push a button, they put the ice in,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: and they put the drink in. At least that's what
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: they tell me when I put too much ice.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's just the that's just the cold. That's
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: just soft drinks. We have a lot of different drinks
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: that we sell. We do Frappe's, we do or We
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: would also do the mcflurries, which is not a drink,
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: but shakes. We do coffee, we do ice coffee, we
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: do tea, we do orange juice. Like, there's a lot
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: of different drinks there. That machine, Yes, it's helpful, but
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: even all the other the drinks are a machine assisted.
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: But when you've got a rush hour and you're going
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: and going, and then you have three people in the
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: car that are all ordering coffee, and all the coffees
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: are different.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: So what's your biggest pet peep from a customer? Since
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: you've got to wear all hats, Well, what are your
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: your if you don't know it? But what does like
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: your staff come back as your biggest pet peeve?
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: Being disrespectful to our people and putting them down.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: At the at what area do they do that all
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: the I'll tell him saying like how do they do that?
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Like they give me a big big mag and throw
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: some extra frizen, be like a me.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: To how people to handle your food?
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: People?
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: Right, one would think, okay, let me tell you now.
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: You know, I've gone to good school. I'm a very
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: educated woman. I have lots of experience. Right when I
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: was in the restaurants one day somebody came in. I
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: knew that he was lying about in order that he's
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: supposedly had placed. He wanted a refund, and I said, no,
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, sir, you know I can't give you this refund.
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: And he said, you're so stupid, that's why you work
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: at McDonald's.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: Anyway.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Did you hit him with, yeah, that's why I'm on
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: twenty one of these bitches. No, that would have been me.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: I would have been on one.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, did you I roll? Because you knew it?
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: Did you?
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: He was like, you have no idea?
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: You have no idea.
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: I just smiled and said, thank you, sir, have a
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: nice day because I have enough education and I'm not stupid.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: I do that.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: You handled it like that. I know that was your
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: your secret inner confidence, like.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: Right, okay, okay, So and people, you know what, you
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: would be shocked. What angers people.
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: They that they can't be heard through the headset and
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: so they so our people may say, I'm sorry, can
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: you repeat that?
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: I already said it, you know, you know, and people
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: and I mean.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Not just like you have like a McDonald's just that
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: sounds sorry, I'm sorry.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: Why are we doing this to McDonald's.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: I want it so nice.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: I want to hear more.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: You know, Let's say our people are human, we make
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: a mistake on in order. Usually, Let's say we gave
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: them strawberry jelly instead of grape jelly.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: You know, I didn't want this f jam. They'll come,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: they'll throw it at people.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, people get mad about what I consider very
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: small things.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: Do we want to get it right every time? Yes,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: we always want to be perfect.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: That's kind of saying.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: It's really unfortunate like that people feel and they feel
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: like they can just say.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: And do anything to our people.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: So how do I deal with it when like saying,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: employees having a rough day and then someone comes in
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: and just a complete obnoxious because you know, we all
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: don't wake up with butterflies overhead, But like what if
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: a staf's having a rough time and then this sends
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: them over?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: What do you How do you guys handle those situations?
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: Depends on how they handle it, So we our position
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: is you definitely have the right to have feelings.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: If you need to go in the walk in.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: Refrigerator and scream and be mad and yell, you're welcome
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: to do that, but you can't at the same time
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: disrespect a customer back. That's not what we're able to do.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: We can't allow you to do that, but you can
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: remove yourself from the situation. We can remove the customer
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: from the restaurant. We'll call the police if we need to.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: So we're certainly not like, go out there and subject
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: yourself to insanity. Walk away, call a manager, get support,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: go to the back. Don't engage, Yeah, because it's the
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: engagement that will get you in trouble. Remove yourself, get
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: yourself and whomever else into a you know, a safe
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: or quiet or just a removed space, and then, you know,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: let the manager handle it.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: When I worked at McDonald's, I used to steal the
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: chicken nuggets.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know why I confess that. I'll confess it
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: because I want to know Carrie.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: I have to know you and McDonald's. It's late got
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: a little hungry in you. What you take it to
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: eat from McDonald's.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: Secretly nothing. You cannot steal the food. I mean, like, okay, okay,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: you want to if you want to restate the question.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: By the way, don't judge me, everybody. I was poured
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: growing up teenagers. Come on, now, a chicken nugget here
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: and there. It wasn't like I was stealing a ten piece,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: you know, but you know you cooking them. You may
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: want to sample the goods. So so let me say this,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: what's your favorite item?
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: I was going to go back to your declaration that
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: the Big Mac is the best burger. The Double cheeseburger
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: head to head every time. The double cheeseburger, it's the
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: two patties and the two slices of cheese that take
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: it to.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: The next Do you ever add the Big Mac sauster with?
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: Though, Oh it's the ketchup and mustard, delicious mustard. You
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: even brought the ketchup? You know what?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: As I got older, You're right, the double cheeseburger is hidden.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: But I've never I don't think ever ordered the double
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: cheeseburd without the Big maxauce.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair. Big people do love that. I have people.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: I have a friend of mine, a dear friend of mine,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: and as a Christmas give one time, I gave him
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: a container of Big Max sauce.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: You can I be on that list? Can I please
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: be on that list?
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: Hey?
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: And you know what I didn't do. I did not
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: sneak it out. I actually paid for it.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: You could buy it in containers.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: No, I mean I can because I can say, hey,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: charge me for this, and oh you know, but if
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: you you know, okay, now that I know, just make
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: sure you watch your I feel bad and men and
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: this stuff to you, It's like I feel like.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Sickly, but you know, like a sick feeling is like
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: this is good and bad. I get to say this.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: I'm enjoying this. Mech professional, Okay, it's lovely.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Stuff that irritates me about fast food. I mean, this
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: is the only thing that makes me irritated at fast
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: food is hey, can I have an extra barbecue sauce,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: big maxim whatever sauce and little container.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: I ain't gonna lie.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: It takes a lot to give me irritating, but I
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: usually pay for everything with card. Everything like now that
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: they have the phone on the wallet and the key
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: on the wallet on the phone, yes, forget it. Even
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: though it takes forever to open your car with a
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: little app, I'll stand out there for that minute if
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: it means I don't have to carry a bag or
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: a Purson wallet. But I will pay for everything with
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: a card. And nothing irritates me more than you want
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: an extra ranch twenty five cents? Why why did they
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: have to put that rule to McDonald's has that rule right?
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be honest to say, we very specifically don't
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: do that in our restaurant.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Oh twenty one McDonald's. Right there, you just set yourself apart.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: Twenty one McDonald's in California. Do not charge you to
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: twenty five cent feet. I'm telling you right now, you
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: just gained the whole fan base because I know there's
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: other people that can really relate to that sit Do
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about?
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: No, we don't. I mean, now, let me be honest.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: If you come in and you ask for ten, fifteen,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: twenty sauces, I'm not rolling with that, yeah right, because
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: we do have costs that there is an actual cost
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: associated with that cup of sauce. But if you're like, hey,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: can I get an extra ranch? Are people not charging
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: for that?
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: They should not be. And so if you do get charged,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: call me or call my office.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: Call her office.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: She's trackable now because she got a book. Yall, she
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: got a book, The Family Seeker out.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Check it out.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: I want to check it out.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: One last.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Let me see whom I had so many good ones
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: I do. I try not to eat out a lot
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: of fast food. Just another sidebar. I don't know if
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: this happens to you at the grocery store and it
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: irritates me too, You guys get to check out and
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: they be like, how many bags you want?
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: Does it not?
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Does it irritate at least you?
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: It is frustrating and oftentimes in outrage, I'll just say no,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: and then I'll hobble out.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear you say that twenty one McDonald's
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: that she will hobble out.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: That for I will hobble. I'm pretty sure I just
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: did a target yesterday.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna say I always carry my bag.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: No, I mean I.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: Try to carry my but who can remember. I can't
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: remember that, So I've hobbled. My husband's always like, get
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: a bag, and I'm like, I'm not getting the bag.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: But I will tell you it's government regulation. That is an.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Attorney, that's the attorney in her is gonna be good.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: Guys, you better go out there and get it, because, uh,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: because it ain't nothing. So now you're you all you since
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: joining on, you've.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: Added what is that?
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: Seven?
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: Six seven?
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: What's thirteen? Those twenty one minus thirteen eighty eight? Yes,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: eight more McDonald's been added to the to the legacy.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: How does that feel?
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: Do you?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: How does it feel?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: What's I mean?
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: That's such a good question, because when I joined the
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: family business, my mom and my sister were already rock stars.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: They were very successful, and so for me, a lot
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: of it was like where do I add value here?
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: And I did feel very lucky that I was able
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: to bring employment law skills. But now that we've expanded
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: now to twenty one, I take I feel like I'm
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: more able to take ownership in this growth.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: I was a part of those decisions.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: The fact that we felt comfortable growing is because we
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: felt able as a sister partnership to take this on.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: We've now built a team.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: We are the doo that the director of operations that
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: my mother had has retired, Nicole and I hired our.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: New Do you know what does that mean?
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: Director of operations? So that is the person in our organization.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: He's the only person who reports directly to us. He
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: is responding right into my next question. Yes, sorry, it
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: was a day in the life of y'all. And and
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: when you do the splits, I hate to do this to.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: You, is it like, well, you kind of just answered
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: that question indirectly with the director of operations, But did
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: you guys do like you run this set and I
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: run this set? Or did it be like I'm good
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: in this era, I'm good in this era, and I'm
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: good and then we manage all together.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: The latter.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: Sometimes I forget which restaurants Nicole owns and which ones
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: I own, But we do own them all separately, one
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: hundred percent each. So I own one hundred percent of
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: the interest in all of my restaurants and she owns
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: one hundred percent of the interest in her restaurants.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: And then what your mom, Well, my mom is retired.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: So did you guys split the ones that she one
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: hundred percent?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: We did?
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: I love that you said the best line of all
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: of this, the jay Z of all lines, the best
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: line I heard of all this shit. Just now, Sorry
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: for cursing.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: I respect you so much.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: Is I forget which restaurants I own? I can't even
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: remember which one she own? We be forgetting all the time.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: That's the best. Do you know that's a boss line
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: right there?
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: You could wear that I forget which restaurants I own
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: should be on a shirt.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: That's how connected we are. We are one organization.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: Either that or that's just how boss you are.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: I'll take that too.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: No, that is a good testament to how connected you
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: are so like if you are you able to pop
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: into each other's store all the time. So what's a
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: day in the life of you without being, you.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: Know, an asshole? There is no typical day.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: But what I will say is we spend Our goal
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: is to create situations where the people in our restaurants
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: are so successful they don't need for us to be there.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: If I am working Fries, literally something has gone catastrophically wrong, right,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: So for us, most of my working days are going
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: to be in the office. We have an office HQ
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: and Carson.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: Is it like your own officers? Like McDonald's And I'm
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: trying to.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: Know it's just us.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: The front of it says way because we've gone through
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: a lot of changes.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: Williams.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: My sister's first married name was Narrow Harper Howie Wig Enterprises.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: That's the name of our building, and we occupy the
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: front half of it. We're actually building out the second half.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: I'm creating what I hope will be a gallery space
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: for my mother.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: There's artwork that used to be in the home she owned.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: It's not valuable, but it's meaningful to our family, and
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: so I'm trying to transform that space to be something beautiful.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: So most of my days I spend in my office
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: where we do have an administrative team, and where we
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: have a training room and then a conference room where
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: we'll do you know, meetings of depending on the size
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: of the meeting. And we also so the way that
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: McDonald's is set up is that there are a lot
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: of local, regional, and national leadership opportunities. So we have
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: groups of leadership bodies, and between Nicole and I were
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: both on in leadership on a multiple of those groups. So,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: for example, Nicole is the vice chair of our Field
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: Alignment Council, so that may take her to Las Vegas
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: or some to have a meeting to go to go
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: through to decide whatever that group's area of responsibility is.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: I'm also all in the Field Alignment unseil in a
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: different role, but she does that. I'm the I'm the
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: president of our local Black McDonald's Owners Association, our local chapter.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: I almost cost you that way, Okay, Yeah, I knew
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: some people that could have bumped into you that way.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: So I might be working with one of our advertising
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: agencies to put together an event for Black History mother
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: for you know, supporting a local community organization doing a
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: PR activation in an African American consumer market restaurant. So
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: we're both in a lot of leadership. So I pretty
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: much travel about two weeks out of the month to
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: different meetings. A lot of our meetings are in Chicago,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: which is where McDonald's headquarters is. But I'm not going
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: to a meeting that another organization. I'm in a McDonald's organization.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: They're having a board meetings. I'm on the board in
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: in Alabama because i have another meeting the following week,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, I got I can't be away from
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: my family for two straight weeks.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're gone for a week, it's like the
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: whole week.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: It will typically be Tuesday to Thursday depending. Yeah, so
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: I'm usually you know, Monday, Friday, I'm usually home and
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: weekends of course, but you'll usually be anywhere from two
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: to three days.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: What is the worst hat or you've ever worn as
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: a McDonald's.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: Everything, the worst hat? Okay, I'll say this.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: I can't I won't go into any specific details, but
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: I'll say there are moments in time when I'm in
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: meetings and not because I'm black or because I'm a woman,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: but because of the nature of the relationships enfranchising where
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: Feel like my opinions are having an impact.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: So I was on a team that met pretty regularly
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: and we were supposed to be deciding things as it
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: related to our restaurants, and I felt very frustrated because
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: I didn't feel like I was being impactful and that
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: the thing that I had to say, which I felt
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: were pretty right, were valued and being taken into consideration.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: I was on that team for probably about two years,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: and then I had to get off that team because
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: I can't be in any space.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: I get that I have to be there.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: I'm into paying my dues or as you can see,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: I believe paying my dues, listening and learning, but at
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: a certain point, I'm transferring from learning to contributing, and
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: I need to be an actual contributor. And I know
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: that I have good thoughts and ideas, and if they're
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: not being received consistently, not all of them, but consistently
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: those ideas are not being received or listened to, I
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: have to get out of that space. So that's probably
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: been my most difficult McDonald's experience.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: When you explain to McDonald's situation, it almost feels like
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: because when I think of a McDonald's franchisee owner, I think, okay,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: you well, I know McDonald's headquarters owns like the land.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: Right most of the time, well, the vast majority of
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: Sometimes they lease spaces.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, they'll you're about to say we own
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: some of the property.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: No, that would be amazing.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: Not quite No, we're specifically not allowed to do that.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: But when you talk about you being on this National
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: Black and she's on this field, I'm yes, I'm not
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: gonna get perfect where you're going. It's a little confusing
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: me because it seems like McDonald's has like you guys
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: are the franchise owner and then you guys, are you
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: guys encouraged to take on these additional responsibilities or is
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: it is it like you build up points or is
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: it like you own this restaurant so now you are
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: you have to pick your slot commitment like some of
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: you guys have all these little extra legs.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: I'll be honest and say we honestly see it as
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: an opportunity because what it does is, first of all,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: on a lot of this So let's take the NBM away.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: So what National Black McDonald's Owners Association, Sorry, it's an
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: advocacy group, which means that when you're meeting first of all,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: when you're meeting with them, you're connecting with other black franchisees.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: I consider that to be an opportunity because we are yes, right,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: So that's an opportunity. If you're in leadership, then you
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: have a say in the running of that organization, so
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: you can say, hey, this is happening to us franchises
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: in California.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: We need your help in this way.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: National Leadership of NBM away.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: National Black McDonald's Owners Association.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: Sorry, I'll try to say that, it's just hard to
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: say the full time.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: Well, I was just wondering.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: So you report on the local level to the to
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: the national level, and then they go to the correct
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: So the chairs of all of the diversity groups.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: There's adversity groups for all of the you know, Black Asian,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: Hispanic pride.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: White people have women like I can't. I can't, I
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: don't know how to.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: Okay, So this is let me go back to what
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: I what what what we are McDonald's. We we Let
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: me say I work with a number of wonderful white
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: colleagues in a variety of different ways.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, it's okay.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: So all of those individuals who lead our national organizations,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: they have they are part of a larger leadership group
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: that meets with McDonald's leadership.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, So it's.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: Kind of like a voice.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: And so we call ourselves three legs of the stool, franchisees,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: the corporation, and our vendors. Without all three of us,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: we can't survive if one of those legs is jacked up.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: COVID, the supply chain got all jacked up. We had
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: to figure out how to the franchise, suppliers, franchises and
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: the corporation.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: The suppliers what suppliers mean like vendors.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: Basically, we just suppliers and.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: Our suppliers, the.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: Suppliers, franchisees, corporation.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: Corporation is McDonald franchises, got.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: It, Yes, So we all have to work together.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: So we're organized as as franchise the organizations, and then
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: we always have corporate counterparts pardon me, that we work
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: with in order to try to figure out issues in
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: the system because we own ninety five percent of the restaurants,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: so we know the field better than anybody else. The
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: corporation has, you know, over they're the franchise or so
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: they have ultimate deciding power and a lot of different things.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: So we have to work together to make sure that
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: everybody's goals and objectives are being met.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: I can tell why McDonald's is successful off this conversation.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: It's very well structured. It sounds very sound, very systematic.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: Shout outs to McDonald's.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: My actual.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: You guys are my favorite fast food plays, the French
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: fries and the fact that you serve code because I
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: hate any I think it's burgerting one of them sell
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: PEPSI and I don't know, can Spider like the best? Yeah,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: you guys may very well. Yes, don't tell trainers or
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: anybody that works out with me.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: I have to ask this.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, jar, I know we're over. The next question
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: I had was out of you're in the franchise business.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: Have you looked at other franchises? I know Chick fil
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: A has like a lottery system. Did you hear about that?
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: So I heard through the grapevine that to own a
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: Chick fil A it's ten thousand dollars. They do splits
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: and it's a lottery. You work in there and you
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: enter the lottery. So the one on Hollywood. I remember the.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: Guy that won that one.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: He was like twenty seven at the time, So did
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: you You don't know about that.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: The only thing I honestly know.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: I do know that their price point to entry is
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: lower than if you're a what's called a registered applicant
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: for McDonald's. I also know that a part of that
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: is because their profit sharing model is different, although I
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: don't know the details of THEIRS. I had a friend
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: who applied to be a chick franchise e and it
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: didn't work out for her, so I didn't I thought
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: that it was just a similar application process. I've never
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: known anything about a lottery or anything.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: So I don't.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard it's like you have to work in there.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: You enter the lottery from like being an employee, and
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: then once you're pets then you.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: Have to follow the steps or whatever.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: But it is They definitely have a back end that's
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: a little different on the profit splits, but initial going
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: is lower, but it is for you have to work
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: in there. For someone sitting at home, a McDonald's fan
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: could be a McDonald's employee. I want you to tell us, ooh, girlfriend,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: how we cannot just get to well, we got to
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: get to we want to get to twenty one.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: We got to surpass you.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, but how do we get to our first one?
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: For anyone out there listening, what advice would you give
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: realistically on what their chances are and what they'd have
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: to do to get their hat in the.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: Race, The first step is to make sure that you
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: are financially.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: Clean. Is your credit good check? Do you have a
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: history of saving?
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: Do you have a pretty success substantial liquid amount of
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: savings at your disposal?
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: I mean I have a house equity equity? Okay, got
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: like a lot of equity. Okay, that's great. Okay, start there.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: That's number one.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: Two. Are you as an individual cool?
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: Are you clean? Do you have a criminal record? Do
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: you have you know, any sort of like degree history.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: Do you have a college degree at AA, A BA
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: or whatever? You don't have to, but all that stuff
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: helps because your next step is going to be the
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: thout the application.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: But don't you have how do you get into You
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: don't have to work at.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: McDonald's, not before you apply? No, what about Hamburger University?
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: How does that work?
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: You get to Hamburg University when you're ready to become
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: a general manager.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: It's our general manager training class.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: But if you say you say you have a girl,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: you got me excited.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: But wait, okay, so I got like a Okay, I
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: got an a y like.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm hella good with money. I'm kind of cheap,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: but ran businesses. No college degree. I have some liquid cash,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: but I ain't gonna lie. I have a lot of
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: money and equity because I pay off my house way
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: too fast.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: What else did you say I need it?
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: Criminal record?
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: No criminal record except for stealing like nuggets when I
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: was sixteen, But ain never been.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: A record, So that's no record.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: You're honest that I have a lot of integrity. Yeah,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: I admit to my you miss doings.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: Clearly.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: I stole candy. I'm gonna say it. I stole candy
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: for me and my siblings. Okay, I admitted to it
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: because I.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: Got caught and I didn't snitch on my siblings. My
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: parents did, I swear to God.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: Jamaican mother, Jewish father. Who's afraid of the Jamaican mother.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: She said, take her butt to the police. They took
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: me to police station, They took me to the store.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: I had to apologize.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: Then I had to go to the police tell them
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: my mom misfortunate for three candy bars. And I'll tell
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: you right now, my siblings listen, there was a reesis.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: It was a butterfinger, and I think like a TwixT. Okay,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: I have three siblings, one for each of us did
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: not snitch and not got punished, and it was humiliating.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: And I promise you I ain't never stole since. Wow,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: that's crazy, right, So you know what I'm saying. You
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: think we're gonna do that to Zaryan Caleb?
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: No, okay, anyways, thank you so much.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: But before we close out, I want for everyone that's
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: listening to this interview or the Family Secret is out?
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: What can they learn from The Family Secret? Says the
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: Business and Franchise Owners Guide to Building Generational Wealth? What
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: can we learn from this book? Just a snapshot?
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: Difranctly sure, some.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 4: Major takeaways are going to be figuring out what your
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: thrive factors are. That's a phrase that I kind of
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: coin to help you figure out where your passion and
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: your purpose intersect. Before you can enter a family business,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: you need to figure out what that is and then
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 4: assess whether or not your family business can meet your
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: personal thrive factors. You're also going to learn a lot
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: about how to build and expand a business, whether it's
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: a family business or not. You're going to learn about
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: a lot about succession planning, which includes both passing it
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: on to another family member or passing it on to
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: someone outside.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: Of your family.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: And you're also going to get some information, really truthfully
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: about what it means to put your family first. One
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: of my favorite chapters in the book is chapter eighteen,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: which is called The House Always Wins. And in that chapter,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: I talk about what it means to make sure that
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: no matter what, at the end of the day, your
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: family and your family relationships come first, and I talk
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: about how you can make sure that you do that.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: So that's kind of a brief snapshot of the family secrets.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: And at the very end there's a bit of a
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: checklist and you can decide do I want to get
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: involved in a family business. Do I want to create
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: a family business? Do I want to take over a
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: family business. I give you some tips and thoughts about
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: what you can consider as you're making that determination.
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  Speaker 1: And this book looks like more than like even if
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  Speaker 1: you're like I love business books, but one of the chapters,
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  Speaker 1: I said, like, be an expert on the competition. I think, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like this just sounds like a really all the way
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  Speaker 1: around great business book.
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  Speaker 4: And I will tell you the feedback that I get
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  Speaker 4: most often is I loved the family stories that you told,
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  Speaker 4: because all in here is background history and quite honestly
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  Speaker 4: inspiration relating to my mom's story, relating to my sister
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  Speaker 4: and I how we kind of came in. And then
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  Speaker 4: I also interviewed several other family businesses to find out
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  Speaker 4: their secretcy success because it's not just our secret, but
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  Speaker 4: there are things that are common to businesses that anyone
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  Speaker 4: can really take into account.
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  Speaker 3: So people love the story. There's a lot of story.
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  Speaker 1: Look at this, it says, know when the only solution
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  Speaker 1: is vulnerable communication. This book sounds amazing just looking at
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  Speaker 1: the chapters. And right now you can read it, but
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  Speaker 1: very soon it will be on audio for all your
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  Speaker 1: audio listeners. I am super grateful. I promise you you
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  Speaker 1: could read text between my group chats. I was over
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  Speaker 1: the hill when I found out I was gonna get
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  Speaker 1: this interview. I've been bragging to everybody in name Mama
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  Speaker 1: about this interview. So I am thankful for your vulnerability.
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  Speaker 1: I'm also thankful that you fend me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm thankful to know that if eating Wall Broke don't
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  Speaker 2: work out, you know, you never know.
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  Speaker 1: I may trying to, you know, go to Hamburger University,
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  Speaker 1: staying to Broklyn. But no, thank you so much for everything,
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  Speaker 1: every minute of you, and I promise you like you
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  Speaker 1: are just incredible, Like we are soul sisters on another level.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, if you guys see me sweating
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  Speaker 1: back here, I found out our AC went out.
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  Speaker 2: A little backstory.
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  Speaker 1: Our AC went out, and I called your publicist and
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  Speaker 1: I said, oh my god, it's eighty five degrees in here.
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  Speaker 1: She cancels, I totally understand. I will be devastated. Do
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  Speaker 1: you think she if she cancels, But she probably's gonna
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  Speaker 1: cancel because anybody would cancel.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and she, you know, Carrie didn't cancel. She didn't.
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  Speaker 1: She showed up, told my producer, it's gonna suck for
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  Speaker 1: you today because you know, I don't think we have
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  Speaker 1: enough time to go buy fans. But everyone's you know,
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  Speaker 1: I just want you to know that, like no matter
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  Speaker 1: how big someone is or out of reach or or
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  Speaker 1: what have you, you know they're still human and they
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  Speaker 1: understand the mission.
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  Speaker 2: And I really appreciate that you came out.
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  Speaker 4: I'm so grateful to have been here today, to have
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  Speaker 4: been able to share with you. You're so authentic and
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: you've been so welcoming and kind and sharing stories with
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  Speaker 4: me like your real life, and I appreciate that. I
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  Speaker 4: am truly over the moon and I'm so grateful.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, and hopefully we go see you at every
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  Speaker 1: other podcast on The Black Effect.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, peace out, y'all, Thanks for tuning in. Bye
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