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Neighbor Arrested in Brutal Kidnap and Murder of Michael Vaughn · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Five year old Michael Vaughan, five years old, playing in
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Speaker 2: his front yard when he was taken. According to prosecutors,
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Speaker 2: in the last hours, a judge brings down the hammer,
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Speaker 2: paving the way for a neighbor man, Stacy Wandra, to
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Speaker 2: go to trial for murder. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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Speaker 2: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: That's right. Michael Vaughan, a beautiful five year old little boy,
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Speaker 2: last scene playing outside his family home in a rural
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Speaker 2: and tight knit town, Fruitland, Idaho, that's about fifty miles
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Speaker 2: from Boise. The five year old Todd's disappearance shout sattered
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Speaker 2: the small community. At the time, less than sixty five
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Speaker 2: hundred people lived there and its police department. The entire
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Speaker 2: department had a total of twelve officers well. The search
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Speaker 2: for Michael stretched the police force, but with the help
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Speaker 2: of dozens of local police agencies, plus the FBI and volunteers,
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Speaker 2: over three thousand acres of land, including twenty nine miles
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Speaker 2: on the Snake River, were searched, but years went by
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Speaker 2: no sign of Michael. For over four years, his mother,
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Speaker 2: Brandy tirelessly seeking answers working with police trying to locate
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Speaker 2: the little boy that she called Monkey, But in the
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Speaker 2: last months, a neighbor who lived blocks away is charged
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Speaker 2: with murder, kidnap, and destruction of evidence. What do we
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Speaker 2: know about the disappearance of little Michael?
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Speaker 3: Michael Vaughan was last seen in the area of Southwest
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Speaker 3: ninth and Arizona in Fruitland. He was wearing a light
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Speaker 3: blue Minecraft shirt and dark blue boxer briefs with sandals.
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Speaker 1: Officers have scoured through three thousand acres of farmland, drained
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Speaker 1: irrigation ditches, starts, through garbage cans, and a septic tank.
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Speaker 1: I've got a lot of questions. Let's introduce an all
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Speaker 1: star panel to break it down and put it back
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Speaker 1: together again. First of all, joining me twenty seven years
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Speaker 1: Metro major case including Swat now Lawyer James shel Knut
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Speaker 1: at shell Nut Law Firm dot com. Doctor ANGELA Arnold,
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Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrist, joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Karen L. Smith,
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Speaker 1: forensic expert, lecturer University Florida and host of a hit
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Speaker 1: series Shattered Souls podcast. Eric Grossarth now joining us from
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Speaker 1: the area with the East Idaho News dot com and
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Speaker 1: you can find him on Instagram, Twitter at Eric Grossarth. Eric,
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Speaker 1: I don't understand how this little five year old boy
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Speaker 1: just goes missing who was supposed to be watching him.
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Speaker 4: You know, that's something that investigators haven't necessarily told us yet.
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Speaker 4: We do know that he was in his neighborhood. It
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Speaker 4: is a neighborhood in a small, small community. But those
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Speaker 4: streets end up right there on farmfield. So you got
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Speaker 4: acres and acres of farm fields, and then the interstates
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Speaker 4: right from there, and then the Snake Rivers.
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Speaker 1: So okay, wait, white white, white, white white white. Wait,
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Speaker 1: that was a lot of information, Eric Grossar. Eric Grossar
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Speaker 1: is joining me from East Idaho News dot com. Let
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Speaker 1: me take that one line at a time, because I'm
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Speaker 1: hearing open Field. Then I heard you say all the
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Speaker 1: streets converge at this location. A very small community, but
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Speaker 1: you're leaving me to believe it is a residential community
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Speaker 1: like a suburban community, and near an interstate and near
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Speaker 1: the Snake River. All of that means potential locations for
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Speaker 1: this five year old little boy we're talking about, Michael Vaughan.
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Speaker 1: What happened, Derek, Let's just start at the beginning, yeah.
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Speaker 4: So Michael was last seeing around his house around six
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Speaker 4: thirty pm that day and at some point his family or.
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Speaker 1: Eric, Eric, do you have children?
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Speaker 5: Eric?
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Speaker 1: Just curious? I do, okay, So then you know, six
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Speaker 1: point thirty For children this young, it's getting about suppertime
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Speaker 1: if they haven't already. You know, they like to eat
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Speaker 1: at four point thirty or five o'clock in the afternoon.
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Speaker 1: So at this point I would assume the parents are
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Speaker 1: home from work. I'm just speculating here. I don't know this.
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Speaker 1: You got to help me. And the child is there
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Speaker 1: at six thirty, then what in the hey is he
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Speaker 1: doing out in a field after that?
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Speaker 4: And you know, that's the million dollar question they're associated
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Speaker 4: with this key. Somebody just said that they saw him
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Speaker 4: walking along that street in the close that minecraft. He's
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Speaker 4: sure what they saw, and he vanished. A lot of
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Speaker 4: these details had been where we get just because there
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Speaker 4: is a lot of unknowns, But he did at some
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Speaker 4: point walk wander away from the house. And we all
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Speaker 4: know with kids how easy it is they can walk
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Speaker 4: long distance very quickly.
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Speaker 1: No, actually I don't. I don't I know that other
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Speaker 1: people say that, but I can tell you this. If
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Speaker 1: the twins at age five or at home at six
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Speaker 1: point thirty. I don't know how they would have gotten
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Speaker 1: out of the house and wander away without anybody noticing anything.
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Speaker 1: I will tell you this here at gross Earth on
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Speaker 1: our back door, we had, of course the door handle,
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Speaker 1: would you could lock it, and then we put a
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Speaker 1: but yes, yeah, thank you Jackie side bar slide bar. Well,
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Speaker 1: listen to this, Eric, There were some steps going upstairs
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Speaker 1: right beside that back door. I mean we could stand
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Speaker 1: on the step and open the door the door knob.
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Speaker 1: It's right there. Together, John, David Lynch and Lucy Lynch
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Speaker 1: by the time they were eighteen two years old, could
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Speaker 1: go up two steps and reach up and change a
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Speaker 1: site slidebar. So we had to put something even higher
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Speaker 1: up so they couldn't reach it like little monkeys. So
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he can't get out because they could
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Speaker 1: do that at two years old, and this Michael is five.
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Speaker 1: But how has he gone that long and nobody noticed?
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Speaker 6: Eric?
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Speaker 1: And why aren't police telling us what happened?
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Speaker 4: You know, this is one of those that they're still
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Speaker 4: trying to beast together everything that happened. There's a lot
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Speaker 4: of information, including the search. There is several investigators that
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Speaker 4: have been called into talk to people. There's been a
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Speaker 4: witness after witness, hundreds of them that have been coming
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Speaker 4: in with different tips, and they need to come in
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Speaker 4: and talk with all of these people, search these homes,
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Speaker 4: talk to different investigators, So there's a lot. They have
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Speaker 4: said that Michael's parents have been cooperative with investigators, but
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Speaker 4: they still have a lot to talk about and there's
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Speaker 4: still a lot of unknowns in a case like this,
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Speaker 4: especially where you still have this person missing. Michael is
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Speaker 4: one of the few people that would probably know exactly
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Speaker 4: what happened at that moment when he walked away, that
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Speaker 4: would tell them what happened with me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I know the child knows what happens
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Speaker 1: if the child is still alive. You were earlier hearing
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Speaker 1: our friends at Idaho News six. Now take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut too. This is Kristen's Skariva Idaho News.
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Speaker 1: The search for a miss.
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Speaker 7: Seeing Treasure Valley boy escalates as it goes into a
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Speaker 7: second day.
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Speaker 8: Police officers in Fruitland need the.
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Speaker 7: Community's health and locating that little boy. Five year old
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Speaker 7: Michael Joseph Vaughan is considered endangered and was last seen
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Speaker 7: at his home near Southwest ninth in Arizona in Fruitland.
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Speaker 7: It was around six thirty eight Tuesday evening, and search
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Speaker 7: efforts have been They began immediately to find him.
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Speaker 8: With teams walking through nearby neighborhoods, searching by air, with
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Speaker 8: drones and even a helicopter. The Idaho Mountain Search and
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Speaker 8: Rescue Team brought their search dog to help with the efforts.
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Speaker 8: Vaughn is about three and a half feet tall, his
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Speaker 8: blonde hair and blue eyes. He also goes by the
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Speaker 8: nickname monkey.
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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about that. Just three and a half
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Speaker 1: feet tall. He's a little bitty thing, goes by the
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Speaker 1: nickname monkey. I'm looking at him right now, big beautiful smile.
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Speaker 1: He's very very tiny. Allegedly goes missing from a field
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Speaker 1: near his home. Now I'm looking at the field right now,
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Speaker 1: and I noticed that people going through the field are
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Speaker 1: with the FBI. Now, I'm very curious as to why
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Speaker 1: the Idaho State Police has called in the FBI to
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Speaker 1: help find Michael. But something about this story is not
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Speaker 1: hanging together for me. Now, tell me about the area.
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Speaker 1: That's one of my problems here at Grossar joining me
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Speaker 1: from East Idaho News dot com. You're saying it is
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Speaker 1: a residential community. I'm looking at the field that I
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Speaker 1: think this is the one where he was last seen.
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Speaker 1: I don't see anything in the distance. I see what
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Speaker 1: I think to be a structure with a few outhouses
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Speaker 1: around it. But it looks like a farming structure. So
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Speaker 1: this a residential neighborhood or what?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is kind of palmon out here in Idaho.
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Speaker 4: You'll have these small communities with maybe five six thousand
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Speaker 4: people and there'll be a residential community and then it's
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Speaker 4: surrounded by farm fields. I'm in a larger town. My
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Speaker 4: parents houses here, but their backyard is farm fields and
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Speaker 4: it goes on for miles miles. So there are these
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Speaker 4: residential communities in these farm fields. But something else to
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Speaker 4: point out that this is only about now or from
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Speaker 4: Idaho's largest city of Boise. You hop on Interstate eighty
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Speaker 4: four there in between the Idaho and Oregon, so you're
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Speaker 4: near larger communities, but there's still lots of these farm fields.
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Speaker 4: And when we talk farmfields, that's another thing that investigators
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Speaker 4: have been searching is canals. They've got to bring the
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Speaker 4: water into these fields. So there are lots of canals
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Speaker 4: and different waterways throughout all of this. It's the amazing
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Speaker 4: little waterways and fields in these small communities in Idaho.
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Speaker 4: So yes, there is that residential aspect, but it's right
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Speaker 4: next to the western farming communities.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen now to our friend at the Fruitland
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Speaker 1: Police Department. This is Chief J. D.
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Speaker 6: Huff.
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Speaker 9: Listen today the Fruitland Police Department, in conjunction with the
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Speaker 9: State Police, multiple Treasure Valley law enforcement agencies, and the
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Speaker 9: Federal Bureau of Investigation, we continue to search for missing
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Speaker 9: an endangered five year old Michael Joseph Vaughan.
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Speaker 5: MJ to his family and friends.
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Speaker 9: Michael was last seen near his residence on Southwest ninth
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Speaker 9: Street in Fruitland at approximately six point thirty pm on
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Speaker 9: July twenty seventh, twenty twenty one. Operations to date include
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Speaker 9: the methodical search of the area near Michael's residence, which
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Speaker 9: included two irrigation runoff ditches which were drained by the
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Speaker 9: Fruitland Public Works Department in an extensive search and rescue effort,
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Speaker 9: including the use of canines, ariel and marine and land support.
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Speaker 9: Idaho Fish and Game officers are continued to search the
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Speaker 9: river by boat for four to five miles downriver and
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Speaker 9: back up, and then the Slews of the Snake River
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Speaker 9: as well.
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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel. Let's go straight up
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Speaker 1: to James shell nutt twenty seven years metro major case
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Speaker 1: including Swat now lawyer at shell nut Law Firm dot com. James,
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Speaker 1: why typically would the FBI be called on a case
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Speaker 1: like this?
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Speaker 10: Well, so, the FBI has a policy, Nancy. This says
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Speaker 10: that if a child is of tender years, then the
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Speaker 10: FBI will get involved in the investigation of a missing child.
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Speaker 10: And tender years to the FBI means a child is
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Speaker 10: under twelve years old. So if a child is under twelve,
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Speaker 10: all that has to be done is a call place
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Speaker 10: to the local FBI office and they will send FBI
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Speaker 10: just to come out there. Typically, the FBI does not
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Speaker 10: get involved in a gold cases unless there's some indication
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Speaker 10: that there's some type of interstate crime going on. But
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Speaker 10: with a child that young, the FBI's policy is to
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Speaker 10: get involved in provide assistance anytime it's requested.
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Speaker 1: Let me understand something else, Eric Grossars joining us from
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Speaker 1: East Idaho News dot com. Michael was last seeing wearing
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Speaker 1: a light blue Minecraft shirt dark blue boxer briefs and
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Speaker 1: size eleven blue flip flops, child eleven. Does that mean
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Speaker 1: he had on his underwear?
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Speaker 4: That's what they're saying is that he had his T
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Speaker 4: shirt and then his boxer brief underwears and then his shoes.
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Speaker 4: So he was running around that day in his underwear.
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Speaker 1: And it's my understanding that he has two siblings, and
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Speaker 1: I'm curious about their agents. For those of you just
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Speaker 1: joining us, the tip line is two zero eight six
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Speaker 1: four two six zero zero six. That's the fruit when
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Speaker 1: police repeat to zero eight six four to two six
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Speaker 1: zero zero six. Joining me forensic expert Karen L. Smith.
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Speaker 1: So he's home at six point thirty, How did he
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Speaker 1: get out? And who saw him in the field?
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Speaker 11: Good?
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Speaker 12: You know, he's fine, he's little. You said that your
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Speaker 12: kids were able to unslide the lock when they were two,
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Speaker 12: So I don't know about if he was out there
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Speaker 12: and nobody knew. The reporter mentioned somebody seeing him on
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Speaker 12: the street. We have any more information about that. Who
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Speaker 12: was the last person to see this child? Which direction
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Speaker 12: was he going? You know, was he running? Was he playing?
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Speaker 12: Was he walking? Was he lost? Did he lose track
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Speaker 12: of which house was his? These are all questions that
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Speaker 12: should have been asked an answer already, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: The frantic search goes on for a five year old
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Speaker 1: little boy who goes missing, seemingly right under his parents.
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Speaker 1: Knows who is this little missing boy? Michael Vaughan. Again,
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Speaker 1: if you could describe for me, Eric Grossarth, what he
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Speaker 1: was wearing.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so Michael was last seen wearing this blue Minecraft
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Speaker 4: T shirt. It's been plastered all over the missing person's
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Speaker 4: report there. He also was wearing I guess the black
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Speaker 4: boxer briefs with the lion green stitching and then size
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Speaker 4: Levy flip flops. So he was in a T shirt,
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Speaker 4: in his boxer briefs and flip flops, lasting on his street,
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Speaker 4: running around the neighborhood. And that neighborhood again is surrounded
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Speaker 4: by fields and canals and all of that farm community
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Speaker 4: that we talked about a minute ago.
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Speaker 11: You know.
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Speaker 1: Part of it to doctor Angela Arnold, I'm renowned psychiatrists
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Speaker 1: joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction is that much
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Speaker 1: like where I grew up, there's a very very low
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Speaker 1: crime rate, and people think they can let their children
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Speaker 1: go play outside without watching them because nothing has ever
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Speaker 1: happened in the neighborhood before, So under those circumstances, the
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Speaker 1: parents probably thought there was no problem letting him go outside.
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Speaker 13: I'll tell you the burning question that I'm having inside.
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Speaker 13: Is this a typical behavior? Like do they do the
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Speaker 13: kids typically run around outside at night after dinner? And
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Speaker 13: as you also pointed out, Nancy, where were his siblings?
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Speaker 13: Like if everybody runs around outside at night, that's that's
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Speaker 13: one thing, isn't it? But why was this the only kid?
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Speaker 13: And are his siblings older or younger than him? But
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Speaker 13: why was he the only one that was outside playing
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Speaker 13: at this time of night?
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Speaker 1: Now I understand, Eric Grossarth that the parents. I want
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Speaker 1: to follow up on what doctor Angel Arnold just said.
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Speaker 1: The parents saw him in the home at six point thirty,
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Speaker 1: and you still can't tell me he saw him out
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Speaker 1: in the field.
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Speaker 4: What I can tell you is that the investigators are
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Speaker 4: keeping that close to them during this investigation. They've been
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Speaker 4: talking to a lot of the neighbors, going from home
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Speaker 4: to home looking through surveillance video. But he was the
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Speaker 4: last scene near his house at six thirty pm on
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Speaker 4: July twelve, twenty seven, so they were searching shortly after
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Speaker 4: that time that he disappeared. The first alert for the neighborhood,
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Speaker 4: like the reverse nine one one call, was around eight
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Speaker 4: twenty pm, so a couple hours later and investigators were
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Speaker 4: searching through that neighborhood. So it wasn't like he was
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Speaker 4: missing for days when he was reported missing. It was
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Speaker 4: just moments after he was last seen in that neighborhood
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Speaker 4: that investigators were called out and they began their extensive search.
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Speaker 1: You know what, the search has been extensive, but I'm
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Speaker 1: still we've still got a big gaping hole in the
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Speaker 1: timeline because I don't know who saw him out in
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Speaker 1: that field. I know that the missing in dangered child
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Speaker 1: alert goes out at eight twenty pm, but who saw
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Speaker 1: him last at six point thirty? Was that in the
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Speaker 1: home or was that out in the field. How far
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Speaker 1: away is the field from his home? Eric, So what we.
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Speaker 4: Do know all investigators have said again is that a person.
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Speaker 4: We don't know who that person is, but they said
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Speaker 4: that somebody saw him near his home on this Southwest
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Speaker 4: ninth Street which dead ends into a farm field at
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Speaker 4: six point thirty. So investigators have it released to us
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Speaker 4: who the last saw him, but somebody saw him on
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Speaker 4: the street, which again goes towards the field.
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Speaker 1: Guys, take a listen to more from the Fritland Police
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Speaker 1: Chief J. D.
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Speaker 6: Huff.
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Speaker 9: We also want to emphasize that Michael's family continues to
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Speaker 9: be one hundred percent cooperative with our investigation and we're
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Speaker 9: asking you to be extremely respectful of their privacy during
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Speaker 9: this situation and we would appreciate that super difficult time,
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Speaker 9: as you would know. So, Michael's last scene wearing a
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Speaker 9: light blue minecraft T shirt over here on my left,
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Speaker 9: dark blue blocks of briefs child size eleven sandal and
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Speaker 9: he stands at least what's seven inches tall.
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Speaker 8: He's fifty fifty pounds.
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Speaker 9: He's got blonde hair, blue eyes. Any answers to the
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Speaker 9: nickname monkey.
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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, a neighbor, Stacy Wondra, a
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Speaker 2: man who lived just blocks away from Michael Vaughan, now
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Speaker 2: to stan trial. The five year old little boy last
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Speaker 2: seen playing in his front yard when he was kidnapped.
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Speaker 2: According to prosecutors, now we know a neighbor's yard was
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Speaker 2: dug up in the search for Michael Vaughan. Stacy Wandra
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Speaker 2: now facing trial. Why because an Idaho judge has ruled
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Speaker 2: there is enough evidence for Wondra to stand trial in
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Speaker 2: the death of little Michael. After a three day preliminary hearing,
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Speaker 2: District Magistrate Judge Brian Lee says there is pc to
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Speaker 2: move forward with the case, presenting the case to a jury.
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Speaker 2: The prosecutors put up testimony from nearly a dozen witnesses
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Speaker 2: making out what they believe happened to little Michael. This
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Speaker 2: is what we know.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends a KTVB.
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Speaker 14: We are in the fifth day of law enforcement and
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Speaker 14: search and rescue crews excavating the backyard of that house
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Speaker 14: eleven two red Wing Street in the town of Fruitland,
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Speaker 14: just four minutes away from the Vaughn family home. We've
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Speaker 14: had heavy machinery here the last few days today, mostly
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Speaker 14: people here with shovels. They're taking the dirt from that
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Speaker 14: backyard and they're bringing it to a location off site
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Speaker 14: and they're analyzing that dirt.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's never a good sign when people are searching
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Speaker 1: for your child and they bring in an excavation crew.
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Speaker 1: Now you may ask, why are they taking soil samples
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Speaker 1: from the backyard, taking it away from this home several
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Speaker 1: homes down from Michael Vaughn's family. Why are they taking
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Speaker 1: dirt to the crime lab. We've got an all star
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Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know right now
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Speaker 1: in the recent development and the case of missing taught
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Speaker 1: Michael Vaughan. But first let me go to Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor forensis Jacksonville State University and author of Blood Beneath
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Speaker 1: My Feet on Amazon Starving and you hit series Body
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Speaker 1: Bags with Joe Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, please explain in
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Speaker 1: regular people talk, Joe Scott, why they are taking soil samples.
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Speaker 1: And I want you to harken back to the case
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Speaker 1: of Kristen Smart. Remember remember the killers backyard had a
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Speaker 1: dick and cops went under the deck with ground penetrating
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Speaker 1: sonar and found a disturbance of the dirt and they
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Speaker 1: went in and actually took soil samples. So this similar
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Speaker 1: to the Christians Smart case in that respect.
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Speaker 6: Explained, Yeah, it is in the sense that you're looking
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Speaker 6: for elements that would be connected to human remains and
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Speaker 6: human decomposition.
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Speaker 1: Excuse me, are you trying to say they're looking for
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Speaker 1: blood in the dart.
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Speaker 6: Well, no, it's not just blood. You're not just looking
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Speaker 6: You're looking for any kind of biological sample that monu
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Speaker 6: me decomposition, anything related to decomposition. Certainly blood is part
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Speaker 6: of that, you know is part of that. But you
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Speaker 6: have to consider all elements and the fact the fact
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Speaker 6: that they're brought in an excavator. This is not delicate work.
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Speaker 6: Like Kristen Smart. They're taking huge, huge samples of earth
22:44
Speaker 6: and they're going to sift through every bit of that,
22:47
Speaker 6: but they're having to be very very careful.
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Speaker 1: Nancy, let's talk about ground penetrating radar. I guess Robert
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Speaker 1: Cristin joining me, private investigator for Federal Task Force Officer,
22:58
Speaker 1: US partmentent Justice D It goes on and on and on.
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Speaker 1: You can find them at Crispinspecial Investigations dot com. That's
23:05
Speaker 1: Crispin Investigations dot com. Robert, you and I both worked
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Speaker 1: with ground penetrating sonar. It's just like sonar on a
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Speaker 1: fishing boat, right, because the sonar on a fishing boat
23:20
Speaker 1: you can actually look kind of it's like a sonogram.
23:22
Speaker 1: Get it. Sonar. A sonogram you see black, a black area,
23:27
Speaker 1: and then you see gray waves. When you do a
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Speaker 1: sonogram on a mom, you see the baby in a
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Speaker 1: gray shadow. When you do sonar with a fishing boat.
23:38
Speaker 1: You can actually see the fish gray figures swimming under
23:42
Speaker 1: or around your boat. Ground penetrating radar sonar which show
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Speaker 1: the earth where you're looking as black or gray, but
23:55
Speaker 1: then you see waves in it. You can see where
23:59
Speaker 1: dirt has been disturbed that should not have been disturbed,
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Speaker 1: as done with something that looks like a metal detector.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen that done? Robert Oh?
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Speaker 5: I have, and it brings to it brings to light
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Speaker 5: a couple of things. And it's only been.
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Speaker 4: A year since they've actually start to.
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Speaker 15: Dig and have a lead to do something like this,
24:19
Speaker 15: and they're hoping that because it's only been a year
24:23
Speaker 15: that when they put this sonar out there, that they're
24:25
Speaker 15: going to see something that is either there and not
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Speaker 15: decomposed already, or a picture of a body that's still
24:33
Speaker 15: somewhat intact, or dirt that hasn't been rained on so
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Speaker 15: much that it's kind of filtered its way and gone
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Speaker 15: back to its normal.
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Speaker 6: Setting of how it was in the beginning.
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Speaker 16: So this is a very very amazing technique that they use.
24:48
Speaker 16: But there's some very specific things that are coming to
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Speaker 16: light about how much they're digging after they're doing this
24:56
Speaker 16: sonar you know, they're saying they're going three and four feet,
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Speaker 16: very specific. That came from somewhere.
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Speaker 1: You're right, they're going down three to four feet and
25:05
Speaker 1: that's a very specific dig. You know. You said it's
25:09
Speaker 1: amazing technology, and I agree with you. But Robert and Christmas,
25:13
Speaker 1: it's not. It ain't rocket science, Okay, it ain't brave surgery.
25:18
Speaker 1: It's like a metal detector. Haven't you been to the beach?
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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall joining me Psychoanalyst to the Stars at
25:25
Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, have you ever
25:29
Speaker 1: been to the beach and you're enjoying the waves and
25:31
Speaker 1: the sand and the seagulls, and you're like, for one minute,
25:35
Speaker 1: you're not working, Yeah, and you see somebody, some guy
25:40
Speaker 1: is usually either kids or an old white male with
25:44
Speaker 1: something a metal detector, blipping along trying to find somebody's
25:48
Speaker 1: where they've dropped money or a watch or a ring.
25:52
Speaker 1: That's what this looks like. You ever seen that.
25:54
Speaker 17: I have definitely seen that. Or they're looking for a
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Speaker 17: wedding ring, a diamond, you know, some treasure.
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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what this looks like. Guys. We are
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Speaker 1: learning that down the street from this top boys home.
26:09
Speaker 1: The backyard is dug up. But where did the whole
26:13
Speaker 1: thing start? Take a listen now to our friends at
26:17
Speaker 1: Idaho Ney six.
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Speaker 3: Fruitland Police are searching for a missing and endangered five
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Speaker 3: year old. The boy, Michael Vaughan, was last seen in
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Speaker 3: the area of Southwest ninth and Arizona in Fruitland late Tuesday.
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Speaker 3: He was wearing a light blue Minecraft shirt and dark
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Speaker 3: blue boxer briefs with sandals. Anyone with information should call
26:36
Speaker 3: nine to one one the paid County Sheriff's office or
26:39
Speaker 3: Fruitland Police nanty if I.
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Speaker 6: Could jump in.
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Speaker 17: You know, wasn't there a description of what he was
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Speaker 17: wearing on the day he went missing?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we just heard that and I said it earlier. Right,
26:49
Speaker 1: sandals go ahead, Well.
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Speaker 17: They wouldn't just be looking for decomposition, they'll be.
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Speaker 12: Looking for that clothing. Right, it's been a year.
26:57
Speaker 17: Clothing doesn't completely degrade in a year.
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Speaker 1: The body would not be degraded in one year. It
27:02
Speaker 1: would at least be skeletal remains at the very very least.
27:05
Speaker 1: But I would suggest that there would still be h
27:09
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to talk about connecting it to
27:11
Speaker 1: this little boy. Michael Vaughan, but there would be a
27:15
Speaker 1: substantial amount of his body left if it had been
27:19
Speaker 1: buried at the veryly skeletonized remains. But what they're looking
27:25
Speaker 1: for right now and this person's backyard, for Pete's sake,
27:30
Speaker 1: is any disturbance in the ground. Sidney Summer joining me
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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Sidney, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. Let's just go back to the day
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Speaker 1: that Michael Vaughan seemingly disappears. Who, what, where?
27:44
Speaker 18: When?
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Speaker 8: Why?
27:45
Speaker 1: Just hit me?
27:45
Speaker 18: Gotcha?
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Speaker 11: July twenty of twenty twenty one is the last time
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Speaker 11: anyone saw Michael Laan. He was at home with his
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Speaker 11: father and his baby sister, and while his father stepped
27:55
Speaker 11: out of the room to change the baby diaper, Michael
27:59
Speaker 11: must have left. His mom suggests that he left through
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Speaker 11: the garage thinking that they would have heard him. How
28:05
Speaker 11: he left through the front door, and there's reports that
28:07
Speaker 11: he was going around to several neighbors homes to try
28:11
Speaker 11: to find a child to play with outside.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me just drink in what Sydney Sumner has
28:16
Speaker 1: just told me. Okay, let's go to high profile a
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Speaker 1: lawyer out of Jacksonville, former FBI agent, former cop, author
28:23
Speaker 1: of Arrest Proof Yourself. You can find him Adale Carson
28:26
Speaker 1: Law dot com. Dale. Let's analyze what Sidney Sumner just sold. Listen, everybody,
28:29
Speaker 1: remember this is not high tea at Windsor Castle. Jump
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Speaker 1: in Dale. So dad changes baby daughter's diaper, and in
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Speaker 1: that time, Michael Vaughan, five year old top boy wearing sandals.
28:48
Speaker 1: I think there's a strap on sandals like you know,
28:51
Speaker 1: Birkenstocks boxers and a light blue Minecraft T shirt leaves
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Speaker 1: the home purportedly to find somebody to play with. I
29:02
Speaker 1: find that troubling but believable. I think I told you
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Speaker 1: this story. Del Carson. My longtime friend Joy Jones lives
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Speaker 1: across the street from us, growing up very rural area.
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Speaker 1: Four brothers and sisters in her home, three in our home.
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Speaker 1: The first time we ever met, I was about I
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Speaker 1: don't know four, and I wandered over there, knocked on
29:29
Speaker 1: the door and asked for a cookie. It can happen,
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Speaker 1: So that is not many people are arguing, deal Carson,
29:36
Speaker 1: Well wait, why didn't he notice how long did it
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Speaker 1: take to change a diaper? It can happen. It's not
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Speaker 1: beyond the realm of possibility, Del Carson, No.
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Speaker 5: Not at all. In fact, you know, children have a
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Speaker 5: way of being curious, particularly the boys.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why you're saying that you're stereotyping, but okay,
29:54
Speaker 1: go ahead. Well it seems like a dig a kernel
29:58
Speaker 1: of rationale out of what you're saying. Yeah, women aren't curious.
30:01
Speaker 1: Did you hear that, doctor Bethany? Forget all the questions
30:04
Speaker 1: you've ever had in life, because girls aren't curious, doctor Bethany?
30:08
Speaker 1: Remember that? Okay, go ahead, Carson, he oh hear.
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Speaker 5: Oh wait, this is personal experience. I'm five years old,
30:14
Speaker 5: I run away from the house on a tricycle. I'm naked,
30:17
Speaker 5: running around the dan neighborhood. Finally someone finds me and
30:20
Speaker 5: brings me home. I mean, that's certainly possible that the
30:25
Speaker 5: child simply wandered off. But of course, those individuals with
30:29
Speaker 5: the last connection with the child of the most likely
30:31
Speaker 5: suspects in general cases, well.
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Speaker 1: What do we know, Jackie? Can you find out about that?
30:36
Speaker 1: Because I bet somebody has suggested mom and dad take
30:39
Speaker 1: a polly and again, let me remind everybody, it's not
30:42
Speaker 1: mommy and Daddy's backyard that's big dug up right now,
30:46
Speaker 1: it's a neighbor down the street, a female neighbor down
30:49
Speaker 1: the street. Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Five year old Michael Vaughn's remains have never been found
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Speaker 2: despite years of law enforcement searching, volunteers, other police agencies.
31:13
Speaker 2: You name it, twenty nine miles searched along the Snake
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Speaker 2: River and what do we.
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Speaker 1: Know about the actual search? Take a listen to a
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Speaker 1: Chief J. D. Huff.
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Speaker 9: Today, the Fruitland Police Department, in conjunction with the State Police,
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Speaker 9: multiple Treasure Valley law enforcement agencies, and the Federal Bureau
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Speaker 9: of Investigation, we continue to search for missing an endangered
31:37
Speaker 9: five year old Michael Joseph Vaughan MJ to his family
31:42
Speaker 9: and friends. Michael was last seen near his residence on
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Speaker 9: Southwest ninth Street in Fruitland at approximately six point thirty
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Speaker 9: pm on July twenty seventh, twenty twenty one. Operations today
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Speaker 9: include the methodical search of the area near Michael's residence,
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Speaker 9: which included two irrigation runoff ditches which were drained by
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Speaker 9: the Fruitland Public Works Department in an extensive search and
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Speaker 9: rescue effort, including the use of canines, ariel and marine
32:15
Speaker 9: and land support IDAH efficient game officers are continuing to
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Speaker 9: search the river by boat for four to five miles
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Speaker 9: downriver and back up and in the slews of the
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Speaker 9: Snake River as well.
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Speaker 1: Another thing that police have let slip is that this
32:30
Speaker 1: is really no longer a search for a live taut boy.
32:35
Speaker 1: They're no longer looking for a live five year old
32:38
Speaker 1: Michael Vaughan because they stated they have reason to believe
32:43
Speaker 1: more people know about the abduction and death of this
32:48
Speaker 1: little boy. Who who are they talking about? Who knows
32:53
Speaker 1: more than their telling about the kidnap and murder of
32:56
Speaker 1: a five year old little boy allegedly watering than theyihborhood
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Speaker 1: looking for somebody to play with. Well, what are police
33:04
Speaker 1: saying about Michael Vaughan's family? What do we know about that?
33:09
Speaker 1: To Sidney Summer Crime online dot com investigative reporter, what
33:13
Speaker 1: if anything are they saying?
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Speaker 18: Police have actually said that the parents are cooperating much more.
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Speaker 18: Tyler and Brandy are Michael's parents, and they are both
33:23
Speaker 18: being extremely cooperative with the investigation and seem to just
33:27
Speaker 18: want their son home.
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Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting, because you know Dale Carson, high profile a lawyer,
33:32
Speaker 1: joining me out of Jacksonville A lot of times the
33:35
Speaker 1: family is not entirely cooperative, all right. Remember in the
33:43
Speaker 1: John main A Ramsey case, at a certain point the
33:45
Speaker 1: family stopped talking to police without a lawyer go ahead.
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Speaker 5: That's our first clue is that when people are not cooperative,
33:53
Speaker 5: there's a reason that they're not cooperative, particularly in a
33:56
Speaker 5: situation where you have a child without yours that's missing.
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Speaker 1: According to what the dad told police at the time,
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Speaker 1: he was out of Michael's side for ten to fifteen minutes.
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Speaker 1: What does that mean in the real world, Robert Crispin,
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Speaker 1: that the boy had to leave the home and get
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Speaker 1: kidnapped in fifteen minutes. It is how far could he
34:22
Speaker 1: have gotten on foot in fifteen minutes?
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Speaker 4: I mean, clearly gives him the window to get out.
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Speaker 4: If dad's distracted, he doesn't really have to go that far.
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Speaker 5: These kids could get abducted right off their front lawn.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes you're right. That is exactly what happened in the
34:35
Speaker 1: case of Samantha Rungion with her grandmother looking through the
34:38
Speaker 1: window at her playing with other children in the front yard,
34:42
Speaker 1: and a guy pulls up in a car, grabs Samantha,
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Speaker 1: who is two or three years old at the time,
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Speaker 1: and leaves and within a couple of hours. She's been
34:50
Speaker 1: raped and murdered.
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Speaker 5: I just have a huge issue with and correct me
34:54
Speaker 5: if I'm wrong. But he starts to.
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Speaker 15: Look, but then doesn't he call the mother rather.
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Speaker 5: Than nine one one first?
34:59
Speaker 1: Yes, you're right about that, guys, take a listen now
35:02
Speaker 1: to me is channel seven.
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Speaker 19: Huff says that it has been a thorough search. They
35:05
Speaker 19: have looked at two hundred homes. They have interviewed the residents,
35:09
Speaker 19: they have drained a septic tank, they have drained nearby canals.
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Speaker 19: That search is up to three thousand acres. Huff also
35:16
Speaker 19: says they've looked at twenty nine miles along the riverbank,
35:19
Speaker 19: and Huff added there are sixty different security camera footage
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Speaker 19: tapes they.
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Speaker 6: Need to look through.
35:24
Speaker 19: They are continuing to look through in one hundred and
35:27
Speaker 19: sixty three tips. They continue to ask people to come
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Speaker 19: forward with any information. Huff is making it clear that
35:33
Speaker 19: department is committed to this search.
35:37
Speaker 9: Is my childhood neighborhood. That's where I spent my childhood years.
35:42
Speaker 9: My children are growing up here, and my law enforcement
35:45
Speaker 9: partners are mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles and friends of children
35:50
Speaker 9: that are just like Michael. So you need to believe
35:53
Speaker 9: me when I tell you that we are all in.
35:56
Speaker 1: You know, I'm comparing Joe Scott Morgan to the Kelly
36:01
Speaker 1: Anthony case better known as Top Mom Casey Anthony Case
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Speaker 1: the Killer. But a huge search was conducted to find
36:12
Speaker 1: Kelly when she was about ten houses down from the
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Speaker 1: Anthony home the entire time. And you just heard our
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Speaker 1: friends at news Channel seven talking about the thousands of
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Speaker 1: acres that have been searched by land, by air, searching
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Speaker 1: in the water, hundreds of tips. But now they're digging
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Speaker 1: within a half a mile right there in the neighborhood.
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Speaker 1: They're digging up a woman's backyard.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that goes to specific information. You know, why would
36:45
Speaker 6: you initiate that as a law enforcement organization, you know,
36:48
Speaker 6: to put those resources toward that specific area. It's not
36:51
Speaker 6: like it's a wide swath. You're talking about a location
36:55
Speaker 6: that approximates where this child was last seen. And they're
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Speaker 6: going to great efforts. And trust me, you know, you
37:02
Speaker 6: got to think they know that the media is going
37:04
Speaker 6: to be watching them as they're doing this, so they're
37:07
Speaker 6: really sticking their neck out on this. Why would you
37:09
Speaker 6: go this deep into this? Literally, you're talking about a
37:13
Speaker 6: depth here of three to four feet. That's pretty deep.
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Speaker 6: We refer to that as layering through the strata of
37:20
Speaker 6: the of the of the backyard of this place. They're
37:24
Speaker 6: looking for disturbed soil that's back there. They would have
37:28
Speaker 6: to have a targeted area to go into to see
37:31
Speaker 6: if the soil has been displaced in any way whatsoever.
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Speaker 6: But now it sounds like they're just kind of going
37:37
Speaker 6: through the entire backyard. So again from an investigative standpoint,
37:41
Speaker 6: that's very very specific news.
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Speaker 5: It's wrong because when you look for a body buried
37:47
Speaker 5: in the soil, you want to layer it out very
37:49
Speaker 5: specifically so you can find evidence that might indicate who
37:53
Speaker 5: buried the child. And so to go into a backyard
37:56
Speaker 5: and simply take it all and put it in a
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Speaker 5: dumpster is not the way it's supposed to be done.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's kind of non scientific. You know, you're not
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Speaker 6: being very methodical about it, you know, and again you
38:09
Speaker 6: have to measure what's being said at this point in time.
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Speaker 1: Well, also we don't know exactly what they did. They
38:14
Speaker 1: could have done the ground penetrating sonar and looked and
38:19
Speaker 1: then start taking the dirt. Yes, I would agree it
38:22
Speaker 1: should have been dirt taken in specific samples. We don't
38:25
Speaker 1: know that they didn't do that.
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Speaker 5: Here's the other point. Here's the other point. It's been
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Speaker 5: a year. There's been no progress whatsoever in responding to
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Speaker 5: the case. From a criminal perspective.
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Speaker 1: What do we know and why are police digging in
38:41
Speaker 1: this woman's backyard? Take a listener Forensic Crime online.
38:45
Speaker 20: Fruitland Police have fielded more than fifteen hundred leads and
38:48
Speaker 20: tips since Michael Vaughan disappeared, and one of those tips,
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Speaker 20: considered credible, leads investigators to the home of Casey and
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Speaker 20: Sandra Wandra. The Wonderers are neighbors of the Vaughn's, living
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Speaker 20: just four minutes from where Michael Vaughn went missing. The
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Speaker 20: tipster says Michael's remains may be behind the home. Sandra
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Speaker 20: Wonder has posted TikTok videos where Vaughn's missing poster can
39:11
Speaker 20: be seen hanging on her refrigerator. Police are conducting an
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Speaker 20: extensive search of the property using excavating equipment and two
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Speaker 20: cadaver dogs in their investigation. Forritland Police Chief JD. Huff
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Speaker 20: says the intent is to dig three or four feet
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Speaker 20: deep cruise place what has been dug up in dumbsirts
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Speaker 20: Huff says cruise will not stop until the entire backyard
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Speaker 20: is excavated.
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Speaker 1: Joe Carson, what were you saying about this woman?
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Speaker 5: Well, look, she has made a confession, but.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that I would call that a confession.
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Speaker 1: What exactly did she say?
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Speaker 5: She said, God on High told me that my husband
39:49
Speaker 5: killed the child and buried him out back near a shad.
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Speaker 1: But interestingly we don't see the husband arrested.
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Speaker 5: Well, because she's not right mentally.
39:58
Speaker 1: I don't know about that.
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Speaker 5: So they have to charge her with something. Well, I
40:02
Speaker 5: mean she's in analysis right now. I mean she's in
40:05
Speaker 5: therapy right now to determine whether she's competent to stand
40:09
Speaker 5: Trump deal.
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Speaker 1: Carson, you know the game better than anybody putting someone.
40:14
Speaker 1: Having someone analyzed or tested from mental defect does not
40:18
Speaker 1: mean that they have a mental defect. Look at Lorie Vallen.
40:23
Speaker 1: They've been analyzing her for a couple of years now,
40:27
Speaker 1: and now they've decided she's fit to stand trial. I mean,
40:32
Speaker 1: defense attorneys always, as a last resort, argue they're mentally unfit. Now,
40:37
Speaker 1: sometimes you actually do have a mentally unfit defendant, but
40:42
Speaker 1: that's just a card that's always thrown out by the
40:44
Speaker 1: defense when they don't know what to do, they declare
40:48
Speaker 1: mental incompetence. But when you say she gave a confession,
40:53
Speaker 1: what she did was that she said she had a
40:57
Speaker 1: vision from heaven that her husband was a killer and
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Speaker 1: had buried the baby in the back yard. What more
41:06
Speaker 1: do we know? Take a listen to our friend Abbie
41:08
Speaker 1: Davis kt ZB.
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Speaker 21: A grieving community reeling from the disappearance of the five
41:13
Speaker 21: year old Michael Vaughan last July now potentially one step
41:17
Speaker 21: closer to finding closure.
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Speaker 9: We are all very emotionally tied to this case, just
41:22
Speaker 9: as our community is. I would sell you probably the.
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Speaker 21: Country thru Limp Police Chief JD. Huff spoke with us
41:29
Speaker 21: Sunday afternoon about a credible tip he says let authorities
41:32
Speaker 21: and rescue crews to dig up the backyard of a
41:34
Speaker 21: house in connection with Michael's death.
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Speaker 1: Huff said on.
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Speaker 21: Monday that credible tip came from someone inside of the house.
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Speaker 9: We received a search warrant and we started excavating the
41:45
Speaker 9: backyard of this residence due to the fact that there's
41:50
Speaker 9: potential for Michael's remains to be in this backyard.
41:53
Speaker 1: Straight out to well known private investigator, Robert Crispin, What.
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Speaker 6: Do you make of that they got a credible tip?
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Speaker 16: Because you hear how these cases have fifteen hundred tips
42:04
Speaker 16: came in, but how many times you hear a credible
42:07
Speaker 16: tip came in. Let's talk about a credible tip.
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Speaker 18: What is that?
42:10
Speaker 16: That's something that could be independently verified by law enforcement
42:14
Speaker 16: that they're going to run with.
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Speaker 5: And I believe.
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Speaker 15: That this is probably why the affidavit is still sealed,
42:20
Speaker 15: because I think they're onto something. And I think that
42:22
Speaker 15: credible tip from the person that came inside from that
42:25
Speaker 15: inside that house, is not the lady who was arrested.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's my concern. They say the tip came from
42:32
Speaker 1: inside the house, is that her? I mean, is she
42:35
Speaker 1: the one that made the tip?
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Speaker 6: I don't think so.
42:39
Speaker 5: I honestly don't think so.
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Speaker 15: And if they think that she's mentally crazy, then they should.
42:43
Speaker 5: Have had her baker acted.
42:44
Speaker 15: You know, why do we have an arrest.
42:46
Speaker 16: We have a very specific arrest with a very specific crime.
42:50
Speaker 5: So I mean, if we compet us to doing.
42:54
Speaker 1: That crime, No, she hasn't. Don't say that. She did
42:57
Speaker 1: not confess that she did the crime. She said she
43:00
Speaker 1: had a vision that her husband did it and buried
43:05
Speaker 1: the body in the back yard. I mean, that is
43:08
Speaker 1: not a confession, but she.
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Speaker 5: Didn't report it. That's the crime she started with, failure
43:13
Speaker 5: to report a death.
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Speaker 16: I know that that's a later down a road charge.
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Speaker 1: That's what she's charged with. Right now. She's being held
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Speaker 1: on failure to report a death.
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Speaker 5: At five hundred thousand dollars ballin.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, does that mean she's the one that committed the crime?
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Speaker 1: Not necessarily? And that's the hang up right here, guys,
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Speaker 1: take a listen again to Abbie Davis kativb.
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Speaker 21: She Huff told me they finished processing the yard and
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Speaker 21: house that Sarah Wandra lived in. Wandra has been charged
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Speaker 21: with failure to report a death, but her status conference
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Speaker 21: was reset rescheduled to December twenty third because a judge
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Speaker 21: ruled that she is mentally unfit to assist in her
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Speaker 21: own defense and she needs treatment. Just to clarify, Wandra
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Speaker 21: was the person who lived in the house that they
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Speaker 21: have been digging up the backyard and searching the house
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Speaker 21: for so Huff told me that they're not quite sure.
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Speaker 21: He said that they're looking to provide more information about
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Speaker 21: what actually came out of that search.
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Speaker 1: Another thing I would be interested in is whether the
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Speaker 1: husband that she's pointing the finger at, whether he also
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Speaker 1: lives with her or is he long gone, because we
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Speaker 1: don't see him implicated in any way. This after fifteen
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Speaker 1: hundred tips in the search for five year old Michael Vaughan.
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Speaker 1: Now we also understand that she is about half a
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Speaker 1: mile from where Vaughn Vaughan's father said he last saw
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Speaker 1: the boy. What do you make of that, Joe Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: This is basically right under the family's nose.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it is. But you know, for all we know,
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Speaker 6: she's whipped up into a frenzy, you know, emotionally, and
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Speaker 6: you know, she thinks she's vested in this. She thinks
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Speaker 6: that she's a junior investigator. And suddenly she starts getting
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Speaker 6: visions from God where she's telling them that God told
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Speaker 6: them that her husband, whatever his status is at this
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Speaker 6: point in top, kill this poor baby and bury them
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Speaker 6: in their backyard. You know, how does she not have
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Speaker 6: an awareness of this? Already? It took God, it took
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Speaker 6: God on high to give her this message that her
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Speaker 6: backyard had been dug up and a little boy's remains
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Speaker 6: have been placed there.
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Speaker 22: I'm just on that Joe Scott Morgan is absolutely correct,
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Speaker 22: and I'll put clinical language to it.
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Speaker 17: She's what four minutes from the family home.
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Speaker 12: She has the.
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Speaker 17: Flyer on a refrigerator. Perhaps she has what we call
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Speaker 17: involutional psychosis, meaning she goes in and out of psychotic states.
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Speaker 17: Because the language I got a vision from on high
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Speaker 17: has kind of a psychotic quality to it. Joe Scott
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Speaker 17: Morgan said she was whipped up into a frenzy. Absolutely,
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Speaker 17: people who are psychotic will incorporate into their psychotic episodes.
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Speaker 22: Whatever the heck is going on around them, And what's
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Speaker 22: going on around her, A little voice in missing for
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Speaker 22: the last year, what's.
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Speaker 17: Going to get incorporated into her psychosis? The fact that
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Speaker 17: her husband killed him?
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Speaker 1: Why?
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Speaker 12: Who knows.
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Speaker 22: Maybe she's mad.
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Speaker 17: At him that day, Maybe he threw his dental floss
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Speaker 17: on the counter and she's pissed off at him because
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Speaker 17: he didn't put it in the trash, and you know,
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Speaker 17: she incorporates this anger into a psychotic episode. Psychotic people
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Speaker 17: do this all the time. And another thing we know
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Speaker 17: about missing children, psychosis and.
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Speaker 12: All of that.
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Speaker 22: If usually the body is found within less than a
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Speaker 22: third of a mile from the family home, right, We've
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Speaker 22: covered these cases again and again. Stereotypical abduction where a
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Speaker 22: stranger takes the child, transports them overnight more than twenty
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Speaker 22: four hours away or to another state, is less than
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Speaker 22: one percent.
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Speaker 17: Look at Kaylee Anthony. Everybody's search and search and search.
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Speaker 17: Where was she near the house? So it's always in
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Speaker 17: close proximity to the house, almost always. But I would
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Speaker 17: say that most certainly this woman has some kind of
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Speaker 17: a I don't use the word mental illness. I would
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Speaker 17: say lots of contact with reality, and people like that
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Speaker 17: become very preoccupied.
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Speaker 1: What about the phenomena of people that just want desperately
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Speaker 1: to be involved in a case? Now, earlier I was
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Speaker 1: talking about the husband. I do know that the husband,
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Speaker 1: Stacy Wanda, does share the home with her, So that
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Speaker 1: leaves me the choice of her for him that called
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Speaker 1: in this tip, I'd be willing to put money on it.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan that it was.
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Speaker 6: Her Fruitland literally sits literally sits immediately adjacent to a
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Speaker 6: major interstate highway. If there's a predator out there, they
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Speaker 6: could be in that neighborhood and back on. I think
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Speaker 6: it's eighty four headed toward Portland and headed up the
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Speaker 6: western seaboard into Canada if they so wished in the
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Speaker 6: blink of an eye, and no one would be any
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Speaker 6: of the wiser at that point in time.
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Speaker 2: Prosecutors claim little Michael was kidnapped from outside of his Fruitland,
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Speaker 2: Idaho home in July while out playing in the yard.
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Speaker 2: They say Wondra, who lived a few blocks away, brought
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Speaker 2: the boy to his home, where they claim Wondra, his
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Speaker 2: former wife, and two roommates raped, taped Michael's hands, legs,
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Speaker 2: and mouth before stuffing him in a deffel bag.
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Speaker 1: And to you, Joe Scott Morgan or to you Robert Crispin,
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Speaker 1: wouldn't cadaver dogs have hit on that earth where the
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Speaker 1: body was buried?
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Speaker 6: I think absolutely, of course, sure, yeah, and not just that.
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Speaker 6: Even further, I think one point was made by bethany earlier, Nancy,
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Speaker 6: any kind of clothing this child would have had on,
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Speaker 6: if the child, assuming that the child would have been
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Speaker 6: still clothed when buried, If there's any synthetic blends in there,
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Speaker 6: this clothing is not going to degrade to any great degree.
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Speaker 6: You would see evidence of that, and it would it
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Speaker 6: would really pop out again, And said you could see
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Speaker 6: it with the unaided high Essentially, you know, once you
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Speaker 6: stuck the spade to show a spade to dirt at
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Speaker 6: that point in time, started turning the dirt, you would
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Speaker 6: see it would be there. Not to mention the remains
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Speaker 6: that had been left behind.
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Speaker 1: A critical police presser the home search has been completed.
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Speaker 9: During that excavation process, the Idaho Mountain Search and Rescue
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Speaker 9: Mountain States Detection Dogs deployed multiple certified human remains detection
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Speaker 9: dogs on the property, all of them alerting to the
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Speaker 9: presence of human remains. Ground penetrating radar was also used
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Speaker 9: and deployed detecting anomalies in the backyard. We completed the
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Speaker 9: excavation of the entire backyard and removed over two hundred
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Speaker 9: and fifty yards of dirt. Prior to backfilling the yard,
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Speaker 9: the dirt was meticulously sifted for any potential human remains.
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Speaker 9: We did not find Michael's remains. Although the remains of
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Speaker 9: Michael Vaughan were not recovered, we strongly believe, based on evidence,
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Speaker 9: that Michael was abducted and is deceased, and that his
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Speaker 9: remains were buried and later moved from the property.
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Speaker 2: According to court documents, the wondrous in One roommate took
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Speaker 2: Michael to another home and left him there. Overnight, the
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Speaker 2: boy died of suffocation. Prosecutors say the body was hidden
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Speaker 2: and then moved to conceal the evidence. Police also say surveillance, video, statements,
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Speaker 2: and interviews helped crack the case, leading to the arrest
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Speaker 2: of Wandra and the confiscation of his vehicle. Cadaver dogs
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Speaker 2: track the boys scent to the wonder property and a
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Speaker 2: nearby heavily wooded area. We wait as justice unfolds and
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Speaker 2: baby Michael Vaughan rest in peace. Nancy Grace signing off
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Speaker 2: goodbye friend.