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- 0:01Speaker 1: You're listening to bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
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- 0:08Speaker 2: You are listening to the bill Handle show. I am
- 0:20Speaker 2: six forty bill handle here. Oh yes, everybody is rolling
- 0:23Speaker 2: back and forth. Here some of those stories we are covering.
- 0:28Speaker 2: We're looking at the Fed lowering interest rates today and
- 0:32Speaker 2: there's a new pool from Politico about half Americans find
- 0:35Speaker 2: their monthly bills groceries, healthcare utilities difficult to afford. Americans
- 0:41Speaker 2: are now blaming the President for high prices at the
- 0:45Speaker 2: grocery stores, while he is telling them that's not true.
- 0:49Speaker 2: Prices have gone down. You are not paying the money
- 0:54Speaker 2: that you are paying. It's just not true. Okay, go
- 0:58Speaker 2: figure religion. I love talking about religion. Neil and I
- 1:02Speaker 2: have been talking about religion for thirty years and we
- 1:05Speaker 2: have these great discussions. So let me tell you what
- 1:09Speaker 2: is going on and immediately grab this, of course, knowing
- 1:13Speaker 2: that I'd be fascinated by this, and that there is
- 1:17Speaker 2: a new and actually a hidden trend, maybe not so hidden.
- 1:22Speaker 2: Religious and spiritual leaders say that they are observing younger
- 1:26Speaker 2: Americans are getting religion now, even as fewer and fewer
- 1:32Speaker 2: people young people consider themselves religious. There is a small
- 1:36Speaker 2: and according to these folks, a growing percentage of young
- 1:40Speaker 2: adults who are practicing their faiths with unusual dedication. People
- 1:46Speaker 2: in their early twenties rejecting both religion by habit. What
- 1:50Speaker 2: does that mean, well, doing whatever your parents did, as
- 1:53Speaker 2: well as secularism. The kind of life I live very
- 1:57Speaker 2: not religious skepticism. Yep, that's me agnosticism. I would consider
- 2:03Speaker 2: myself more of an agnostic because if you're an atheist,
- 2:06Speaker 2: then you have a belief that there is no God,
- 2:09Speaker 2: and religion is or lack of religion is simply belief.
- 2:14Speaker 2: And this is across all of visible faiths, including the
- 2:19Speaker 2: brick and mortar worship of Catholicism. Going to church and
- 2:24Speaker 2: church going has increased dramatically ever since the church added
- 2:28Speaker 2: cheese whiz to the wafers that they give you on Sunday.
- 2:33Speaker 2: You also have Jewish students, college students who are attending
- 2:37Speaker 2: the Habbad centers. That's a whole different world. These are
- 2:40Speaker 2: religious organizations, but they're in every place. Habad is in
- 2:44Speaker 2: every place. You can go to a Habbad Center in Gnome, Alaska.
- 2:49Speaker 2: It's that widespread. And then you have esoteric practices. The
- 2:55Speaker 2: Wika based full Moon rituals. Is this where they howl
- 3:01Speaker 2: at the moon? Is that what happens with WICCA? Also
- 3:07Speaker 2: a West African religion divination called IFA, which I have
- 3:12Speaker 2: no idea what that is, but there are more and
- 3:14Speaker 2: more religions out there that is crazy. So the campus
- 3:19Speaker 2: chapelain of the University of Maryland says, in the past,
- 3:22Speaker 2: you went to mass out of obligation. This generation of
- 3:26Speaker 2: Catholic parents don't even expect their kids to go, don't
- 3:30Speaker 2: even want them to go. So there is a huge
- 3:35Speaker 2: line that is according this is anecdotal, aren't studies. Matter
- 3:39Speaker 2: of fact, the studies I'm going to talk about go
- 3:41Speaker 2: the other way, and I'll tell you about that in
- 3:43Speaker 2: a moment. But the number of people that is being
- 3:48Speaker 2: reported going to these religious centers is growing. I think
- 3:53Speaker 2: it's more they're more fervent, is what's happening. I think
- 3:57Speaker 2: the folks who have gone religion have gone much more fervent.
- 4:00Speaker 2: And a lot of politics is involved, which used to
- 4:03Speaker 2: not happen. And here is an example. All right, you
- 4:07Speaker 2: had the killing of conservative activists Charlie Kirk, who spoke
- 4:12Speaker 2: very often about his Christian faith. He put his politics
- 4:15Speaker 2: and his Christian faith together. And when you see when
- 4:19Speaker 2: you saw those rallies and those memorials to Charlie Kirk,
- 4:27Speaker 2: how many people did you see throw their hands up
- 4:30Speaker 2: in the air and look at the sky and go
- 4:34Speaker 2: back and forth almost like the wave and pray during
- 4:39Speaker 2: the service. And wasn't even a religious service. It was
- 4:41Speaker 2: a political rally. Charlie Kirk became a martyr, went beyond politics.
- 4:48Speaker 2: And you didn't see that before. You never saw that before.
- 4:52Speaker 2: And so it is. It's pretty difficult. We are hearing
- 4:56Speaker 2: anecdotally more religious leader saying that more and more young people,
- 5:01Speaker 2: college students, etc. Are finding religion organized religion, in many
- 5:07Speaker 2: cases much more so. And a lot of them are
- 5:10Speaker 2: saying that what young people are seeking is meaning in
- 5:15Speaker 2: their lives. And buy that religious people tend to marriages
- 5:22Speaker 2: last longer. I think they're happier. And I want to
- 5:25Speaker 2: share before we jump in with the neil, I want
- 5:28Speaker 2: to share with you. And you know I'm not religious.
- 5:30Speaker 2: I am agnostic at best. I go once a year
- 5:34Speaker 2: to synagogue and for me it is a historical event
- 5:39Speaker 2: because at high holidays on yum Kipur, what they do
- 5:43Speaker 2: is blow the chauffeur, which is the Ram's horn that
- 5:48Speaker 2: is blown. And when you talk about the trumpets at
- 5:51Speaker 2: the walls of Jericho, that's what these were. These were
- 5:55Speaker 2: the rams horns, which has tremendous significance in the Jewish religion.
- 6:00Speaker 2: And what makes it so important for me historically is
- 6:04Speaker 2: this has been going on for thousands of years and
- 6:08Speaker 2: there is a tune if you will, it's not much
- 6:10Speaker 2: of a tune, but there is different notes that you
- 6:16Speaker 2: play or that whoever does the chow foreur plays that note.
- 6:20Speaker 2: Those notes are going on the same way all over
- 6:24Speaker 2: the world, in every country there is a jew and
- 6:28Speaker 2: that goes back thousands of years. That hits me that
- 6:31Speaker 2: I have to tell you. I get chills on that one.
- 6:33Speaker 2: I really do the rest of the time, eh, you know,
- 6:37Speaker 2: all right, it's a religion, Thank you very much. So, Neil,
- 6:40Speaker 2: you are really a religious expert and you talk about
- 6:44Speaker 2: religion a whole lot. Do you see this happening? Number one?
- 6:49Speaker 2: And why do you think? Why do you think this
- 6:51Speaker 2: is happening? Because all the research says it's going the
- 6:55Speaker 2: other way. Yet we're hearing from religious leaders that people
- 6:58Speaker 2: are going back to religion, and when they do, it's
- 7:02Speaker 2: a much more deeper way.
- 7:05Speaker 3: Faith has always been cyclical if you look throughout history,
- 7:09Speaker 3: and that's one of the reasons you respond to the
- 7:13Speaker 3: so far is that you the historical significance of it,
- 7:18Speaker 3: the fact that it's been around so long. That's something
- 7:23Speaker 3: that speaks to you as somebody who loves history.
- 7:27Speaker 4: So everybody that you know.
- 7:28Speaker 3: The old saying that there's no atheists in foxholes is
- 7:32Speaker 3: that you either are motivated by something in your life
- 7:36Speaker 3: that knocks you on your back, so you look to
- 7:38Speaker 3: God naturally.
- 7:39Speaker 4: But it's always been cyclical.
- 7:41Speaker 3: The Dark Ages, different periods of time where people have
- 7:44Speaker 3: turned away from God is a part of the walk.
- 7:47Speaker 4: Now.
- 7:48Speaker 3: I find people to be more religious now than ever.
- 7:51Speaker 3: They're just not religious in the God stuff. They're religious
- 7:56Speaker 3: with their politics. They're religious with other corps principles. But
- 8:00Speaker 3: it's been said if you don't believe in something, you'll
- 8:03Speaker 3: believe or fall for anything, right, So if you don't
- 8:07Speaker 3: have a core principle that's given to you by your
- 8:09Speaker 3: parents or somebody important to you, that's when you get
- 8:13Speaker 3: into conspiracy theories. That's what you get into weirder stuff
- 8:18Speaker 3: actually than the mainstream belief system. And that's kind of
- 8:21Speaker 3: happening now, but there's also always going to be a resurgence.
- 8:25Speaker 4: There was a resurgence after nine to eleven, you remember that.
- 8:28Speaker 3: Sure that people started going back to church and there
- 8:31Speaker 3: was a resurgence in that.
- 8:32Speaker 2: I have a question. You may not know the answer
- 8:34Speaker 2: to this one, but is televangelism flat? Is it on
- 8:38Speaker 2: his way up? Is it on his way down? With
- 8:41Speaker 2: these you know, the big, massive churches where the more
- 8:47Speaker 2: you give, the more Jesus likes you.
- 8:49Speaker 3: Oh, you mean, as far as televangelism and it being specific,
- 8:55Speaker 3: I think people connect differently now than ever before. So
- 8:58Speaker 3: that's more on the TV side of things. But as
- 9:00Speaker 3: far as certain what I would call heresies like name
- 9:06Speaker 3: it and Claim it or prosperity movements or something like that,
- 9:09Speaker 3: they'll always exist.
- 9:11Speaker 4: They existed during Biblical times.
- 9:15Speaker 2: Yeah, have you seen? You? Obviously are involved with religion
- 9:20Speaker 2: every week as you produce, and I have to keep
- 9:23Speaker 2: a straight face as you produce the Jesus Show.
- 9:28Speaker 4: It's funny when I talk about handle on the law.
- 9:30Speaker 4: It's hard to keep a straight face.
- 9:32Speaker 2: Exactly, and handle on the law is and the people
- 9:37Speaker 2: who follow handle the law ignore it religiously. I must
- 9:40Speaker 2: tell you but in interaction with the people over the
- 9:46Speaker 2: years with the Jesus Show, where are you finding religion?
- 9:51Speaker 2: Do you follow the concept that organized religion is decreasing
- 9:58Speaker 2: or the other way around.
- 10:00Speaker 3: People do not want to be accountable, So people stop
- 10:05Speaker 3: believing in things that they have to be accountable to
- 10:08Speaker 3: or that convict them emotionally, spiritually, or otherwise. They prefer
- 10:13Speaker 3: spirituality or saying things like that because there's no accountability.
- 10:17Speaker 3: There's no It's just like, I'm spiritual. Well what does
- 10:20Speaker 3: that mean?
- 10:20Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
- 10:21Speaker 3: You have organized religion or disorganized religion. Those are your choices.
- 10:26Speaker 3: And if you're going anything other than organized religion ultimately
- 10:30Speaker 3: means you're self worshiping. You don't want to be accountable
- 10:34Speaker 3: to something else. You just want to have a bigger
- 10:36Speaker 3: you out in the universe.
- 10:38Speaker 2: Yeah. Incidentally, there are no atheists in foxholes. There are
- 10:45Speaker 2: plenty of atheists in fox holes. They just get blown up.
- 10:49Speaker 2: And so I'll have no hope faith. I wouldn't turn
- 10:55Speaker 2: if I were in a fox hole, I don't think
- 10:58Speaker 2: I would turn religious. And if I'm about to die
- 11:02Speaker 2: in the electric chair or in a prison of lethal injection,
- 11:06Speaker 2: I don't think I would become religious, which everybody does,
- 11:09Speaker 2: or a lot of people have become very religious in prison,
- 11:12Speaker 2: maybe because they're just bored and they don't know what else.
- 11:16Speaker 2: And here's one other question before we bail. There is
- 11:19Speaker 2: a guy, Christian Smith, who's a sociologist runs the Center
- 11:22Speaker 2: for Study of Religion and Society at the University of
- 11:25Speaker 2: Notre Dame or Notre Dame. He says that what young
- 11:28Speaker 2: people are looking for enchantment, meaning in everything paganism is
- 11:33Speaker 2: going up, magic books, games about demons, dungeons and dragons.
- 11:39Speaker 2: Have you seen that happening.
- 11:41Speaker 3: There's more interest in that. But that's been an ebb
- 11:44Speaker 3: and flow too. You remember in the seventies and early
- 11:46Speaker 3: eighties with the Ouija board and things like that. It's
- 11:49Speaker 3: always been a fascination with communication, and go back to
- 11:53Speaker 3: Harry Houdini and his fascination with spirituality and whether there
- 11:57Speaker 3: was life after death and you could communicate with people.
- 12:00Speaker 3: So but again those are all and with all due
- 12:04Speaker 3: respect to Wickens and the like those, you're not accountable
- 12:08Speaker 3: to something you're serving or you're worshiping the creation, and
- 12:12Speaker 3: once you do that, you're not accountable. It separates yourself
- 12:16Speaker 3: from the creator. So it all depends from your perspective,
- 12:21Speaker 3: I suppose.
- 12:22Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a little deep for me. Yeah, well you
- 12:25Speaker 2: know Roses, doctor Syliser Blue. You know I have no religion,
- 12:30Speaker 2: and how about you. I mean, that's as far as
- 12:32Speaker 2: it goes for me. Okay, thank you for yes, thank
- 12:35Speaker 2: you for your insight on that one. All right, coming up,
- 12:38Speaker 2: there's going to be another episode in Crazy today. We
- 12:42Speaker 2: only have two, but we're gonna be doing this, I think,
- 12:44Speaker 2: on a regular basis. All Right, stories that we are covering. Uh.
- 12:49Speaker 2: Has the Fed already lowered interest rates to amy They
- 12:52Speaker 2: were supposed to do it at uh at eleven thirty
- 12:55Speaker 2: the East coast time. It has not been announced yet. Okay,
- 12:59Speaker 2: we'll yep, yep, yep. And that's a fairly big deal.
- 13:04Speaker 2: And there's a new poll from Politico. Almost half Americans
- 13:08Speaker 2: find their monthly bills groceries, healthcare, utilities, they're having a
- 13:13Speaker 2: hard time affording it. Fifty five percent Americans are blaming
- 13:16Speaker 2: the President while he is saying that prices are down.
- 13:22Speaker 2: That I guess it is well. Affordability he said was
- 13:26Speaker 2: a democratic hoax. There's no such thing of a problem
- 13:30Speaker 2: with prices being up. Yeah, it's going to cost him.
- 13:33Speaker 2: I think that's going to cost him. Now it's time
- 13:36Speaker 2: for doctor Jim Keinney Medical News Jim chief medical officer
- 13:40Speaker 2: for Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center in Long Beach, and
- 13:44Speaker 2: we are going to start off with another episode of crazy,
- 13:49Speaker 2: which is where we are going to go. Jim. First
- 13:52Speaker 2: of all, good morning, Good morning, Bill. There you go, okay, crazy,
- 13:57Speaker 2: Let me throw this at you. Did you ever think
- 13:59Speaker 2: that the CDC was going to undo its recommendation for
- 14:04Speaker 2: hepatitis B vaccine for new boards?
- 14:08Speaker 1: Well, definitely not without some type of you know, scientific
- 14:11Speaker 1: backing or level of concern. I mean, this was like
- 14:14Speaker 1: a problem that didn't exist that they that they decided
- 14:17Speaker 1: they would address. So yeah, it is shocking.
- 14:22Speaker 2: And who was it? I think it was, Oh, it
- 14:26Speaker 2: was Bill Cassidy, the Senator who is a physician, a
- 14:31Speaker 2: big proponent of vaccines that he did in private practice
- 14:35Speaker 2: or he was with some public agencies. And he's the
- 14:38Speaker 2: one that voted. He was the vote that gave JFK
- 14:43Speaker 2: Junior or RFK Junior the confirmation. He said, twenty thousand
- 14:50Speaker 2: kids a year used to die before the hepatitis B
- 14:55Speaker 2: vaccine was given at birth now it is under twenty
- 15:00Speaker 2: one point nine to nine percent effective. And you know,
- 15:04Speaker 2: I don't even know where they go with this, Jim,
- 15:06Speaker 2: So what is going on? Does mainstream science just go
- 15:11Speaker 2: crazy and just shake its head and going, we'll get
- 15:12Speaker 2: past this nuts?
- 15:15Speaker 1: Well, I mean, maybe this will bring back, you know,
- 15:18Speaker 1: the doctor patient relationship because doctors are going to have
- 15:21Speaker 1: to stop and now you know, we just can't rely
- 15:24Speaker 1: on Hey, this is what a recommendation say. You're gonna
- 15:26Speaker 1: have to have a conversation with patients now, so you know,
- 15:30Speaker 1: hopefully that'll build that back up because it's super important.
- 15:32Speaker 1: And just to clarify, you know, some people might be thinking, hey,
- 15:36Speaker 1: this was before the hepatitis vaccine that twenty thousand used
- 15:40Speaker 1: to die. No, this is after the hepatitis vaccine when
- 15:44Speaker 1: we didn't give it on the birth dose. Is which
- 15:46Speaker 1: is what they're eliminating twenty thousand cases of chronic hepatitis
- 15:51Speaker 1: B that result in cirrhosis to the liver later on
- 15:54Speaker 1: in life and let potential liver transplants and also liver cancer.
- 15:58Speaker 1: So we're not going to see the negative impacts of
- 16:01Speaker 1: this for twenty thirty years. And you know, and it's
- 16:05Speaker 1: really going back to some an experiment we've already done
- 16:08Speaker 1: and it was a failed experiment.
- 16:11Speaker 2: You know, at some point, well I guess at this point,
- 16:15Speaker 2: medical science is just shaking its head, your head and saying,
- 16:21Speaker 2: for the next what at least three years, we're going
- 16:24Speaker 2: to see more and more of this. Are we going
- 16:26Speaker 2: to see Are we going to see infants actually getting
- 16:30Speaker 2: hepatitis B?
- 16:32Speaker 1: One hundred percent?
- 16:32Speaker 4: We will?
- 16:33Speaker 1: And this is why I mean a lot so people
- 16:36Speaker 1: don't understand hepatitis. They don't understand the enemy, right, so
- 16:40Speaker 1: they're saying, oh, if the mother tests negative, then what
- 16:42Speaker 1: are you worried about? There's no possibility of transmission. So
- 16:46Speaker 1: number one not true. The way hepatitis works is once
- 16:49Speaker 1: you're infected, there is a window where and it can
- 16:52Speaker 1: be a month or longer, where you're not showing up
- 16:57Speaker 1: as positive on your lab result, but you're infected. You
- 16:59Speaker 1: haven't created at all the antibodies that we're measuring yet.
- 17:02Speaker 1: It also ignores the fact that a lot of women
- 17:05Speaker 1: don't get the prescribed prenatal care, so about twenty percent
- 17:09Speaker 1: don't get it at all. So we're talking about how
- 17:12Speaker 1: this is going to disproportionately impact you know, people who
- 17:15Speaker 1: are lower socioeconomic groups that don't have that aren't highly educated,
- 17:21Speaker 1: that won't be able to go have a long conversation.
- 17:23Speaker 1: You know, they're going to the community clinics. They won't
- 17:25Speaker 1: be able to have a long conversation with their doctor
- 17:28Speaker 1: to discuss this, and so it's going to be interesting.
- 17:31Speaker 1: There's also I mean, the bottom line is the labs
- 17:34Speaker 1: get dropped. You know, we don't have a tight system
- 17:37Speaker 1: between outpatient and inpatient, so do we really know if
- 17:41Speaker 1: the mother was tested positive or not. There's just so
- 17:43Speaker 1: many possibilities for this to go bad. It's ridiculous.
- 17:48Speaker 2: You know. This reminds me when I was a kid
- 17:51Speaker 2: and there was a huge controversy about the fluoridation of
- 17:56Speaker 2: the drinking water here in Los Angeles that there really
- 18:01Speaker 2: was no putting floor, I know, but yet.
- 18:03Speaker 1: We had it again as soon as as our game.
- 18:07Speaker 2: I know. I mean, it's it's it's it's beyond belief.
- 18:10Speaker 2: It's science fiction. So in the general literature out there
- 18:15Speaker 2: as a percentage the anti vax doctors, I'm assuming it's
- 18:20Speaker 2: the just the tiniest percentage, and who have an enormous
- 18:23Speaker 2: influence based on RFK junior, Is that right?
- 18:27Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean you mean which doctors don't believe
- 18:30Speaker 1: in vaccine?
- 18:31Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, as a percentage of doctors out there practicing,
- 18:36Speaker 2: what would you guess. I'm sure there are studies.
- 18:39Speaker 1: Well, extremely low and so probably one of the more
- 18:42Speaker 1: famous ones was written a book doctor Sears about And
- 18:47Speaker 1: I wouldn't call him an anti vaxer. He doesn't call
- 18:48Speaker 1: himself an anti vaxer. He called he's modified to vaccination
- 18:53Speaker 1: schedule to make families feel more comfortable with the number
- 18:56Speaker 1: of vaccines the kids get. But you know, they even
- 19:01Speaker 1: the doctors who people might label as anti vaxxer, as
- 19:04Speaker 1: my point is, they're not truly anti vaxxers. They believe
- 19:07Speaker 1: in vaccines, and then they get they get painted as, look,
- 19:09Speaker 1: this doctor doesn't believe in vaccines. That's not actually true.
- 19:12Speaker 1: So you know, we did have you know, during the
- 19:16Speaker 1: flu seasons, we do have about on a staff that
- 19:21Speaker 1: in my other hospital, on my current hospital and staff
- 19:23Speaker 1: about nine hundred doctors, we'd have about three that would
- 19:26Speaker 1: say I'm not getting the flu vaccine out of principle.
- 19:29Speaker 1: The rest might say I'm allergic to it or you know,
- 19:32Speaker 1: those type of things, but about three, yeah, I know.
- 19:36Speaker 2: Well, as you know, we've talked. I'm a huge fan
- 19:39Speaker 2: of vaccines, even to the point where I vaccinate is
- 19:41Speaker 2: my vaccinate my kids? Was just saline because I just
- 19:44Speaker 2: liked the idea. All right, a fentanyl vaccine, which means
- 19:49Speaker 2: you can have all of these drugs and not worry
- 19:51Speaker 2: about it.
- 19:53Speaker 1: Well, not quite, but yes, this is a novel approach
- 19:57Speaker 1: to you know, harm reduction basically, right, So what you
- 20:00Speaker 1: love to do is walk in the ram ventation and
- 20:02Speaker 1: just say, hey, stop using drugs. But that approach absolutely
- 20:07Speaker 1: does not work at all. So what we're trying to
- 20:10Speaker 1: do is some harm reduction. One of those that we've
- 20:12Speaker 1: done in the past is now making narcan or in
- 20:15Speaker 1: a lock zone free over the counter from any pharmacy,
- 20:21Speaker 1: and now people are carrying that stuff around when they
- 20:23Speaker 1: do use drugs, and instead of accidentally overdosing, now when
- 20:28Speaker 1: they're with a friend or with a family member, they can.
- 20:31Speaker 4: Reverse the drug.
- 20:33Speaker 1: This is a different approach. What this is is they're trying. Now,
- 20:37Speaker 1: this is a new study. They don't haven't proven that
- 20:39Speaker 1: this even works yet, but the plan is to create
- 20:42Speaker 1: an antibody that binds to the fentanyl, so fentanyl can't
- 20:45Speaker 1: cross the blood brain barrier and then that won't cause
- 20:48Speaker 1: the respiratory depression. It also won't cause the high so
- 20:53Speaker 1: that could be potential harm reduction, especially because a lot
- 20:55Speaker 1: of these overdoses people were using some other drug and
- 20:58Speaker 1: they didn't know fentanyl was in there, or they just
- 21:02Speaker 1: got a higher than normal concentration and they overdosed accidentally.
- 21:07Speaker 1: So this could prevent a lot of those deaths. So far,
- 21:09Speaker 1: then the lock zones dropped it from like seventy five
- 21:12Speaker 1: thousand to fifty thousand deaths a year. This could bring
- 21:14Speaker 1: it even further.
- 21:15Speaker 2: Down, Yeah, which is big news. One quick question, does
- 21:17Speaker 2: it matter the amount of fentanyl that is in your
- 21:20Speaker 2: system and at what point does a narcon reverse it
- 21:25Speaker 2: or can you go too much?
- 21:27Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, no, it definitely matters how much. So the
- 21:31Speaker 1: narcan will reverse a very very high dose. But this antibodies, right,
- 21:36Speaker 1: you can overcome most antibodies in most situations. So that's
- 21:39Speaker 1: the concern is that people could either continue to use
- 21:43Speaker 1: and then try and overdose, you know, go above and
- 21:45Speaker 1: beyond what they normally would have used. And some people
- 21:48Speaker 1: probably will be non responders, so then they will still
- 21:51Speaker 1: be at risk even though they get the vaccine, so
- 21:54Speaker 1: there's still this is a long way from being used,
- 21:56Speaker 1: but it was a really interesting approach. I thought that
- 21:58Speaker 1: was kind of interesting new approach towards reducing risk and
- 22:03Speaker 1: harm from opiate overdoses.
- 22:05Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate when we do good news on this segment.
- 22:07Speaker 2: You know that, don't you. I know, I'm surprised we've
- 22:12Speaker 2: been doing that way too long. Okay, Jim, thank you.
- 22:15Speaker 2: We'll catch you next Wednesday. And coming up right about now,
- 22:19Speaker 2: it's Gary and Shannon. You've been listening to The Bill
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