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Monkey Movie Mount Rushmore · Presented by Speaking Human

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  Speaker 1: In a world where movies rely on marketing more than
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  Speaker 1: ever to connect with audiences, one podcast aims to make
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  Speaker 1: sense of it all. This is movies and marketing. Next
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  Speaker 1: Saturday Night, where's sing you back to the future? Go ahead,
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  Speaker 1: make my day.
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  Speaker 2: Corbut now you're crazy, Dutch bastard. What we've got here
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  Speaker 2: is failure. Mel Gate. Take them as fresh all about,
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  Speaker 2: we might be as well with them. I am an
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  Speaker 2: as I'm agent. Well, we'll start it this way today. Monkeys, apes, gorillas, chimps, orangutangs, orangutans.
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  Speaker 2: Can't forget about the orangutangs. They're the They're the greatest
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  Speaker 2: of all. Well, all these primates have a long history
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  Speaker 2: in movies. Let me ask you a little monkey related trivia, Patrick,
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  Speaker 2: how do you feel about that?
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  Speaker 1: I love monkey related trivia.
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  Speaker 2: You've always like more monkey related trivia?
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  Speaker 1: I asked for it all the time, nobody ever gives
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  Speaker 1: it to me.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's usually has nothing to do with anything, But
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  Speaker 2: today it's your lucky day. Start you off with a
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  Speaker 2: tru or false? How about that? We never do it
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  Speaker 2: true or false?
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  Speaker 1: True or false? I like those because I have a
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  Speaker 1: fifty to fifty shot of getting it right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty good, all right. True or false, monkeys
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  Speaker 2: were once dressed in human clothes to bypass film censorship rules. True,
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  Speaker 2: of course, that's true comes from a fascinating and slightly
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  Speaker 2: absurd chapter of early film censorship. In the early twentieth century,
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  Speaker 2: especially during the Silent era and early sound era, filmmakers
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  Speaker 2: operated under a mix of local censorship boards and later
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  Speaker 2: the Haze Code, formally enforced starting in nineteen thirty four.
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  Speaker 2: These rules tightly restricted what could be shown on screen,
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  Speaker 2: including sexual or romantic behavior, criminal activity shown sympathetically, mockery
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  Speaker 2: of authority or social norms.
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  Speaker 1: Those things weren't all inclusive of monkeys.
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  Speaker 2: No, those were just things you could not show on screen.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, because that's a good determination there, because I was
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  Speaker 1: like sexual with oh that's what.
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  Speaker 2: Well, No, here's how it ties in. Animals existed in a
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  Speaker 2: legal and moral gray area. So since monkeys weren't human,
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  Speaker 2: filmmakers realized they could portray romantic or flirtatious behavior, showed drinking, smoking,
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  Speaker 2: theft or mischieft, satirize human society or authority as long
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  Speaker 2: as a monkey was doing it dressed as a human.
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  Speaker 2: See you dress up a monkey? In clothes. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they can get romantic, they can be a criminal, they
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  Speaker 2: can steal something, they can make fun of authority figures
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  Speaker 2: because it's not a person doing those things.
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  Speaker 1: How crazy?
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  Speaker 2: How weird are we?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? How far we've come.
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  Speaker 2: To or haven't come? Weird? Little piece of film history
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  Speaker 2: that monkeys are involved in. Let me take you forward
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  Speaker 2: in time, back to one of your favorite years, nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety five. I don't know if that's one of your
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  Speaker 2: favorite it's been it seems like it might be. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: nineties which nineteen ninety five adventure film is an early
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  Speaker 2: example of Hollywood using CGI monkeys alongside and sometimes instead
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  Speaker 2: of real trained animals. So you know, we got to
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  Speaker 2: a point which we're at now where basically CGI monkeys
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  Speaker 2: have replaced regular monkeys a lot of time. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: that wasn't always the case. So ninety five is kind
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  Speaker 2: of like the midpoint we start dabbling more CGI going
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  Speaker 2: in there? What ninety five adventure film early example of
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  Speaker 2: Hollywood using CGI monkeys alongside and sometimes instead of real
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  Speaker 2: trained animals. I can give you multiple choice unless you
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  Speaker 2: have an answer in your mind.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, ninety five, I don't know. I have an idea,
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  Speaker 1: but give me the multiple choice, because I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to sound like an idiot.
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  Speaker 2: All right, a ace Ventura. When nature calls B, Dunstan
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  Speaker 2: checks in C Jumanji or D George of the Jungle.
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  Speaker 1: Uh. I thought Jumanji was earlier than ninety five. But
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  Speaker 1: I'll go with Jumanji.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good guess because it is Jumanji. Okay, Jumanji
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  Speaker 2: had a bunch of I mean, if you looked at
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  Speaker 2: them now, you'd be like, they're clearly not real monkeys, right,
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  Speaker 2: But at the time it was a big, you know,
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  Speaker 2: big deal in special effects. All these animals that were
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  Speaker 2: made by special effects as opposed to real animals.
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  Speaker 1: And they were pretty good at the time because you
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  Speaker 1: get the I think there's like rhinos that charge through
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  Speaker 1: the house and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then there's like a herd of monkeys that
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  Speaker 2: are kind of like running loose on the streets.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're tearing stuff up.
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  Speaker 2: But a turning point when the monkeys started losing their
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  Speaker 2: jobs in Hollywood.
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  Speaker 1: It was, yeah, it's like AI for monkeys at that point.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that brings us to the reason for our show today,
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  Speaker 1: or at least part of the reason for our show.
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  Speaker 1: Today the movie Primate, which is coming out January ninth.
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  Speaker 1: For our listeners out there who are listening to this
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  Speaker 1: clearly after the launch of this movie. Primate is a
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  Speaker 1: movie about chimpanzee There's something wrong with Ben. To start
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  Speaker 1: everyone off, I'll give you the IMDb summary, which is
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  Speaker 1: always fun, very short. A group of friends tropical vacation
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  Speaker 1: turns into a terrifying, primal tale of horror and survival.
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  Speaker 1: So I'll give you a little bit of background to this.
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  Speaker 1: This move. That's it. That's the Dimdb summary. It's very short.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, does it even mention a monkey in there?
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  Speaker 1: Not really?
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: The plot of this centers around a chimpanzee, Ben, adopted
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  Speaker 1: by a family as an unusually intelligent pet during a
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  Speaker 1: tropical vacation alluded to in the IMDb summary at their
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  Speaker 1: you know, remote Hawaiian home. Of course, these people have
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  Speaker 1: a Hawaiian home. You know. Ben, the chimpanzee, is bitten
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  Speaker 1: by a rabid animal, triggering a terrifying behavioral shift. Then
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  Speaker 1: he goes on a rampage essentially. But he was once
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  Speaker 1: an affectionate and playful primate, but he becomes violent and
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  Speaker 1: then he's a cunning predator who stalks teenage Lucy, who
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  Speaker 1: is the main character. I think, I don't know, maybe
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  Speaker 1: she dies early, I have no idea, and her sister
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  Speaker 1: and their friends through this like isolated property. So this
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  Speaker 1: is a Paramount Pictures movie. I guess this was greenlit
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. So just to give you some
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  Speaker 1: context when you look this movie up. What's interesting is
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  Speaker 1: it comes out twenty twenty six January ninth, but it
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  Speaker 1: lists it as a twenty twenty five movie. Did you
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  Speaker 1: know this?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: I did not, So I think that's because it premiered
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  Speaker 1: at Fantastic Fest.
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  Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And then it got its theatrical rollout now in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty six. So the critics have generally praised it as
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  Speaker 1: an energetic, crowd pleasing movie, you know, horror movie of sorts.
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  Speaker 1: It's got some positive buzz surrounding it for that reason,
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  Speaker 1: because every so often you get a movie like this,
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  Speaker 1: right nature verse versus man essentially.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and horror you know, plays pretty well, especially in
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  Speaker 2: these like off months where there's not a lot of
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  Speaker 2: movies coming out. It's usually like you see a horror
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  Speaker 2: movie that's kind of like topping the charts and this one,
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  Speaker 2: there's been a good amount of marketing for it. I
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  Speaker 2: mean we were both just talking about how much we've
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  Speaker 2: seen the trailer before other movies. Yeah, I'm interested too.
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  Speaker 2: We both just recently saw Anaconda. Did you see the
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  Speaker 2: trailer before that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And was it the one where it was like
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  Speaker 2: people reacting to clips of primate y Yes, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 2: mm hmm.
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  Speaker 1: It was a different trailer because the first trailer I
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  Speaker 1: saw was just sort of the normal one, and then
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  Speaker 1: the second one was the audience.
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  Speaker 2: What would you call that cameras that you could see
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  Speaker 2: people in the dark, sitting in the theater watching it
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  Speaker 2: and you know, jumping and talking about how scary it
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  Speaker 2: was and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was kind of like they did that with
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  Speaker 1: Paranormal Activity or.
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  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, that was the one, you know, the first trailer.
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  Speaker 2: When I saw it, I was like, oh, this looks
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  Speaker 2: pretty good. And after I saw that one a second time,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I'm into this. You know, there's
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  Speaker 2: a part in it where they show you know, the monkey,
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  Speaker 2: like he uses the tablet to communicate.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Lucy bad, Lucy bad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's the I mean that's the
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  Speaker 2: best part.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting trailer because in any of the
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  Speaker 1: previews I've seen, they're being terrorized in the same areas,
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  Speaker 1: Like there's the pool scene and then there's the car,
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  Speaker 1: and then like the beginning where they're in the house.
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  Speaker 1: But like it doesn't seem like they ever go out
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  Speaker 1: into the jungle. They just stay at this, you know.
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  Speaker 2: That's how you keep the you know, budget down. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: stick around the house. When I did read.
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  Speaker 1: That they this is actually all done on a sound stage.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that makes a lot of sense why they
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  Speaker 1: would keep it pretty confined to the house, in the pool,
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  Speaker 1: in a car, because there's that scene where the girls
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  Speaker 1: in the jeep or the you know, the suv and
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  Speaker 1: she's locking the door and it's he's unlocking the door.
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  Speaker 1: I think gets in the back classics suspense, slash horror.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm interested in this one. I'm interested to
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  Speaker 2: see how it does too, and if it kind of
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  Speaker 2: gets a crowd or builds some buzz.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you want to see it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think it looks good?
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  Speaker 2: I do?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I do.
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  Speaker 2: I'm on boards for me. What about you?
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  Speaker 1: I think it looks like a well made movie. I
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  Speaker 1: gotta be honest, though I don't want to see it.
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  Speaker 1: You want to know why I don't want to see it.
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  Speaker 2: You just don't want to pick a monkey's doing that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to watch this chimp kill people. Man,
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  Speaker 1: Like I feel like he got a bad like he
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  Speaker 1: a bit you feel bad. I feel bad for the chimp,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like whereas everybody's gonna be like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: this chimp is evil and you're like, well, he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: evil though, he was a good guy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like Kujo, you know, it's like the
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  Speaker 2: dog you get once you get the rabies.
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  Speaker 1: Man, it's just I mean, it's a it's a classic
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  Speaker 1: tale of like people they underestimate or they don't respect nature,
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  Speaker 1: and so you get this this chimpanzee who is clearly
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  Speaker 1: a wild animal.
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  Speaker 2: Well we've seen this in real life though several times
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  Speaker 2: where the you know, people will have the pet, say
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  Speaker 2: monkeys for anything, but you know it's chimps or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: and then they end up attacking him. I'm malling him
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  Speaker 2: pretty bad but.
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  Speaker 1: Not meant to be pets, I know, and I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel bad for a person. Obviously, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to see somebody get hurt, but I'm also like,
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  Speaker 1: I feel more bad for the chimp. I feel bad
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  Speaker 1: for them because a lot of times they like euthanize
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  Speaker 1: you know, that animal, and it's like, what, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't their fault. Even in the movie poster, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's him sitting in the corner in his shirt and
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  Speaker 1: his little red shirt with a little Teddy bear and
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  Speaker 1: it says something's wrong with Ben. It makes me feel
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  Speaker 1: bad for Ben the chimpanzee.
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  Speaker 2: So what do you think about this one? Do you
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  Speaker 2: think hit or flop? I was just checking it out.
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  Speaker 2: It looks like we've got a twenty four million dollar
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  Speaker 2: budget on this one. That gives you any you know,
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  Speaker 2: context on what a hit or a flop could look like.
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  Speaker 1: I think it could be a hit with the budget,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in terms of the box office return, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what it'll do, but it definitely has done
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  Speaker 1: pretty good with the marketing. They've pumped it before movies,
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  Speaker 1: the trailer, the movie poster, So I think it has
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  Speaker 1: the potential of it'll definitely make back its money and then.
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  Speaker 2: Some yeah, I agree. I don't know what the marketing
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  Speaker 2: spend is here, so I don't know how much they
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  Speaker 2: have to make back there. They seem like a pump
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  Speaker 2: some money into it, but I think it's looks like
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  Speaker 2: a minor hit, you know, or a break even at
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  Speaker 2: least if it really got people buzzing, it could hit
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  Speaker 2: like fifty million, but it's probably not gonna go that high.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe like thirty million. Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe we'll be surprised it would be like one hundred
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  Speaker 1: million dollar movie. In January.
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  Speaker 2: Well, in honor of Primate, we decided to put together
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  Speaker 2: our own monkey movie or movie monkey, depending on how
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  Speaker 2: you want to look at it, Mount Rushmore. So we're
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  Speaker 2: each gonna share two of the most memorable I said,
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  Speaker 2: either movie monkeys or monkey movies. I think either one works.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you can focus on the monkey or you
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  Speaker 2: can focus on the movie. Yeah, your choice. Yeah, keynote here,
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  Speaker 2: using monkey is a very broad term. I know that's
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  Speaker 2: not accurate, it's not scientifically accurate, but we liked the
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  Speaker 2: alliteration of movie monkey Mount Rushmore. But we're encompassing apes, gorillas, chimps,
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  Speaker 2: all the other monkeys we mentioned before, even though they're
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  Speaker 2: not monkey. All the other primates you mentioned.
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  Speaker 1: Before, gorillas, silverback gorillas. Yeah, Rangutang's primates, monkeys and other things.
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  Speaker 1: On this episode of Movies and Marketing, we talk about
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  Speaker 1: monkeys and other things. So, yeah, the movie Monkey Mount Rushmore.
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  Speaker 1: So we're each picking two, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're each picking two.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean we're just gonna generally talk about them,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like what made them great? Were they prominently
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  Speaker 1: featured in the marketing, that kind of thing. But I'm
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  Speaker 1: really interested to see which ones you picked. I picked
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  Speaker 1: a couple, and then I gave some backups because I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't sure if you would pick the same movie. So
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  Speaker 1: I thought, well, you know, maybe I should probably pick
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  Speaker 1: some extras just in case.
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  Speaker 2: I had the same thought. I'm like, where is Patrick
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  Speaker 2: gonna go with this? I have some ideas of where
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  Speaker 2: you might go, and I wonder if that's what you'll
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  Speaker 2: actually do. I think mine are going to be different
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  Speaker 2: than yours, and I have some you know, inklings. I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: maybe Patrick will hit this one, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. This is a real wild card category
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  Speaker 2: or whatever you want to call.
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  Speaker 1: This it is. And we often do this, like we
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  Speaker 1: pick stuff and we're not really sure what the other
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  Speaker 1: person would pick, and we tend to go, Okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'll pick a backup or even the honorable mentions we talked.
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  Speaker 1: We've joked about that in the past. You know. The
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  Speaker 1: key is, there's just so much to choose from. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: I'll just go with the overlap, you know, because I
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  Speaker 1: feel that strongly in the one that you picked, or
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  Speaker 1: vice versa. You know what I mean that I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to go with an honorable mention. I
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  Speaker 1: want to go with the one I originally felt strongest.
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  Speaker 2: I agree, And sometimes the overlap is interesting in itself,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, just the fact that we
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  Speaker 2: both pick something. Of all the choices out there, we
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  Speaker 2: landed on kind of the same one.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Yeah. So the key is, don't judge us
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  Speaker 1: too harshly whether we pick the same ones or not.
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  Speaker 1: So why don't you give the first pick on your list?
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  Speaker 1: What do you got?
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  Speaker 2: All right? My first pick on the list? I think
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  Speaker 2: you have seen this one, but I was. This is
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  Speaker 2: one of your picks from nineteen eighty seven. It's the
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  Speaker 2: movie Project X. You know, Project X. I was pretty
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  Speaker 2: sure you did, because you know, we mentioned a lot
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  Speaker 2: on the show that we both grew up as HBO kids.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, this was a movie that I saw many
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  Speaker 2: times on HBO as a kid. It's not to be
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  Speaker 2: confused with the twenty twelve high school party movie Project
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  Speaker 2: X that decided to hijack the name. This is a
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  Speaker 2: different movie. This is again nineteen eighty seven. It's an
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  Speaker 2: adventure drama sci fi movie starring Matthew Broderick and Helen Hunt.
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  Speaker 2: Let me tell you the plot of it. Here. An
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  Speaker 2: Air Force pilot joins a top secret military experiment involving chimps,
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  Speaker 2: but begins to suspect there might be something more to
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  Speaker 2: the mysterious Project X. This is sort of a movie
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  Speaker 2: I feel like has been lost in time. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think anybody has really talked about in the past thirty
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  Speaker 2: years for any reason. The ro out of me when
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  Speaker 2: I was younger was that it had Ferris Bueller in it.
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  Speaker 2: H But this is very much not a Ferris Bueller
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  Speaker 2: style movie. This movie takes itself pretty seriously. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: other than a little bit of monkeying around with the
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  Speaker 2: gimps that are in this I'll be honest. It's been
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  Speaker 2: a long time since I saw this movie. Did not
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  Speaker 2: rewatch this movie. I remember very little about the plots
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  Speaker 2: or any major events in this movie, but I do
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  Speaker 2: remember the monkeys or chimps to be exact. This is
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  Speaker 2: the first movie I thought of when we were like
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  Speaker 2: the Monkey movie Mount Rushmore. The main chimp inness named Virgil. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's mentioned by name in the trailer, featured in silhouette
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  Speaker 2: on the poster next to a giant picture of Matthew
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  Speaker 2: Broderick's head. And fun or maybe not so fun fact,
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  Speaker 2: the host of the Price is Right, Bob Barker and
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  Speaker 2: the United Activists for Animal Rights when this movie came out,
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  Speaker 2: accuse the film's producers of animal cruelty. The American Humane Association,
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  Speaker 2: which consulted during production, then filed a ten million dollar
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  Speaker 2: defamation lawsuit arguing that the animal cruelty claims were based
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  Speaker 2: on hearsay and they were false. So a little bit
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: of controversy around this one and how the animals were
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: actually used. But this was the Monkey movie I thought of,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: you know, first first thing that came to my mind.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, I'm putting it on the mounta Rushmore.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Plus it's one that you just do not hear talked
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: about anymore.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't, and I'll tell you this was my
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: second Oh no way, Yeah, HBO kids, HBO kids coming
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: back to a podcast platform near you. Yeah, you know,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: this movie for one played a lot. I do remember.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I saw this movie in the theater.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Oh did you see it in theater?
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Because this was eighty seven, I would have been ten.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it seemed kid friendly. I mean, well back then
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: everything was kid friendly. It didn't even really matter. This
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: could have been PG and been R today. Maybe, but
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: this movie, and maybe this will tell the listeners something.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Maybe you'll get a glimpse as to why I don't
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: really want to see Primate because this really set up
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: my perception of I guess, chimpanzees and you know, like
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: the cruelty that.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: People victimize, victimize. I mean, this is a very like
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I would call this an ethical drama.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: It's pretty dark. From what I remember, it was like
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: a dark and it was intense. And do they kill
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: the monkey? Like does the experiment like end up killing
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: the monkeys or the chimps?
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I mean a lot of them, ones that you know,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: came off as like kind of mean spirited, like some
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: of the chimpanzees. They you know, they all had personalities,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: which was really interesting. I remember very vividly. There was
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: one that was kind of mean, but he ended up
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: saving some of the other ones. The whole thing was
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: this was like a government experiment.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: They're like flying planes or flying simulator, you know. I
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: again I remember like bits and pieces.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were testing the effects of radiation exposure. But
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Matthew Broderick's character in this doesn't know that this is happening,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: and as he sort of uncovers this, it's like because
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: he befriends this Virgil Champion, and it's very uncomfortable because
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: you know, you feel, you really feel for these chimpanzees.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: And I didn't even see it when I picked it,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: but I'm seeing the parallels as to why primate sits
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: kind of somewhere in my gut, Like I'm like, I
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: don't really want to see this chimpanzee hurt people, because
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: like I don't think it would intentionally do that. You know,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: even if it did, it wouldn't intentionally do it, you know.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: So there's like some turmoil there for me. But yeah,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: this is a really good one, you know, and it
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: starts a little quirky and light. But then it becomes
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: like there's this like ethical despair is sort of how
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I looked at it, you know, at the turn in
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: this movie and Project dex So, yeah, I'm with you.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I think this is a good one. This is definitely
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: a good one.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, clearly it belongs on the Mount Rushmore if
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: we both you know, had this in mind, and you know,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: young Helen Hunt.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't even in my head, I can only
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: picture Matthew Brodrick, but I guess, yeah, you're right, there
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: was Helen Hunt, and that one element that I thought
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: was really interesting too for listeners like you think about
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: this eighty seven. It taps into like a Cold War
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: anxiety that we had at the time. Yeah, and you
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: know again radiation exposure. You know, like the militaries performing
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: these tests with the chimpanzees because they're not using humans.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: And you know, of course, at the time, government mistrusts
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: was sort of a part of our you know, social
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: norm and look how things change.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Totally different now.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I would recommend this to anyone. It brings
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: back a lot of memories.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I know, that's a big you know, that is a
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: big one from the HBO Days of Yr.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: So my first pick was a movie that I may
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: have talked about before with you. I don't think I've
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: ever mentioned it to the listeners. Every which way but loose.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: This is what I was like, is he gonna pick
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: one of the Clint Eastwood monkey movies. I thought there
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: was a good chance that that was going to happen.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: And here's why I picked it. Like I could go
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: with the easy ones like King Kong, right Outbreak. Those
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: are great movies in the in and of themselves, but
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: every which way but loose. This is why I had
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Project X on my list. Every which way but Loose
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight. You could argue, I mean, weren't you
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: like one at the time, Yes, But I watched this
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: movie when I was a kid, and you know there's
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: a follow up any which way you can, and in
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: both of them. Clint Eastwood is the sort of laid
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: back trucker named Philo Beto fantastic.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Name, great, great movie name.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: He roams the American West, getting into bare knuckle fights,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: dodging biker gangs, and pursuing romance. But he's accompanied by
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: his friend Clyde, who is an orangutang. I mentioned it
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: in the beginning of the episode, and I'll just tell
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: you Rangutang's you know, they are primates. They may not
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: be monkeys, but they're insanely intelligent. This movie is very
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: much like a road movie meets comedy meets a fighting film.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of elements to this, and it's a
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: really good movie, but Clyde is sort of this comic
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: relief that follows with Clint Easewood's character. It's a pretty
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: fun movie in that way. But there's this element to
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: the movie where Clyde drives in the car with Clint
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Eastwood and there's this biker gang and he'll say right,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: turn Clyde, and Clyde throws his arm out the window
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: and punches the bikers, you know, the biker gang, and
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: the you know, knocks him over. I may lose all
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: my memories and have dementia, and I will still remember
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: things like this. I feel like, you know what I mean,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: because it's just so it's so powerful of a memory.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: On the flip side, so that's about the movie and
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: my own personal feelings. But the marketing presence he wasn't
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: overly showcased in the posters, but he was there, Clyde
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: in Project Decks. I think it was, you know, a
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: silhouette of Matthew Broderick holding Virgil the chimpanzee's hand, like
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: look like they were like walking, but you could see
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the silho of them. This is like Clyde, You could
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: kind of see him. It was like one of those
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: old school like Star Wars where there's a collage of
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: the different characters and you see Clyde from the side
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: at least in the one poster, and there's a little
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: bit of a MOVI in the trailers. You know, he
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: wasn't a huge part of it, like he wasn't front center,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: but he was there and he was a part of
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: the marketing.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: One of the posters that I see, which is hilarious,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: it's like Eastwood and he's kind of flexing his arm
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: muscle with Clyde draped around his neck.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Is that a legit poster from that time period? Is
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: that like a fan poster?
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: No, it's legit from that time. There's like a lot
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: of old ones being sold like originals.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Because there are like promo shots and stuff like that
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: of like photos of him with Clyde around him.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like an artistic rendering. He's kind of
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: like in a circle sticking out and then there's kind
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: of like different characters surrounding this circle.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that could be one that's legit. I didn't see
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: that one when I was going back, like, I mean
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: again nineteen seventy eight, so there's probably some multiples of that.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: But you know, he is in it, and Clyde was
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: a fan favorite of that movie, so they clearly talked
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: him up in the marketing.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: It was also like a big deal Clin east would
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: doing something kind of comedic. Mm hmm, this is like
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: dirty Harry. This is like the spaghetti westerns guy not
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: known for his comedy chops. Really, what if I told
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: you this is the fourth highest grossing movie of nineteen
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: seventy eight.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I believe it. I would believe what a different world,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? I would totally believe it,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: because you know, it was, you know, like these were
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the movies that made America back then. Yeah, yeah, I
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: mean really.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: And Clin east would just huge star the star.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Power of Clint Eastwood at that time, and then you
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: know you've got this movie where he's a fighter. It
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: was a little different than the spaghetti Westerns and you know,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Dirty Harry. It was just it was really good. It's
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: a high, high recommendation on my list for listeners. If
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: you haven't seen it, go back and watch it. I
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: think you will adore this movie.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: A real uh Patrick pick.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I was wondering. I was like, one of these is
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: of like put both of them together. So that's good.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: To my second pick, which you you know, inadvertently knocked
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: at the beginning of yours two thousand and five, King Kong,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: h that's good. I was trying to stick mostly with
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: real life monkeys, chimps, whatever you want to call them.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: But I was like, you know, maybe it's important to
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: get some of the special effects the creations in there.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: The way we've kind of moved away, which again has
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: been I think beneficial to the treatment of animals in
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the long run, even if sometimes they don't look the greatest.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: But this is an example where it does I think
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: look pretty good.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: It does.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the giant ape and King Kong not real
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: created by digital effects, but they made a real character
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: out of this guy. I feel again like this movie
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: has been a little bit forgotten over time, not quite
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: to the project X level, but it's twenty years old
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: at this point. I just don't hear people talking about
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: it a lot. From Peter Jackson coming off the Lord
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: of the Rings movies, it was successful but considered a
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: little bit of a disappointment, ended up making like two
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: hundred million dollars at the US box office five hundred
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: million worldwide. But it's got Naomi Watts, got Jack Black,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Adrian Brody, Colin Hanks. I remember seeing in theaters and expecting,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: you know, this is gonna be like a special effects showcase,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: kind of be a good time. And damn if this
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: wasn't way more intense than what I was expecting, even
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: probably a little bit more emotional than I was expecting.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: So I think it's a movie that deserves a little
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: more love than it gets. And I think this Kong
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: deserves a little more love. This somehow from two thousand
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: and five, this creation, this you know, ape looks better
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: than the ones they just did recently in these like
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: cong versus Godzilla movies, and I think it's part of
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: it is the care they like took to create it.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Fun fact for you on this one, the two thousand
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: and five King Kong's design blended Andy Circus's realistic performance capture.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: That's the guy who did you know Gollum in The
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings, which he said was inspired by
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: albino guerrilla snowflake m hm okay, so mix his performance
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: capture with the advanced CGI detailed digital sculpting and realistic
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: skin fur texturing so you could really see when you
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: watch this, like the facial features and the movements and
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: the way the like the fur moves as he goes around.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, this guy, he gets mad, he fights, he emotes,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: He's really like the star of the movie. Once he
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: comes on screen, he falls in love. Then yeah, he
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: at the end climbs the Empire State building and you
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: know there's a kind of sad end to this. I
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: think we got to have Kong on the Monkey Mount Rushmore,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: whether it's the original one, you know, the claymation style
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: one or this one. I think is just a movie
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: I want to call a little attention to where I'm like,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I need to rewatch this.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a strong movie and I think it
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: holds up too being Could you believe that's twenty one years.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Ago, twenty years over twenty yeah, twenty one yeah, I
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: mean it's twenty twenty six, man, you know, I mean,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: can you believe that?
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: And that movie still holds up. The special effects of
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: that is still pretty good. Like it's not dated quite
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: like all the other stuff of that time period. I
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: would say I have a special place in my heart
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: for Kong clearly. You know, we talk about this all
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: the time, Monsters Unlimited, you know, speaking human we joke,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: you know, we have affinity for monsters, Kong being one
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: of the universal monsters. The thing about this is that
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: they did a really great job. You said, he motes,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: he motes. You feel for Kong in this movie too, Yeah,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: like more so than the original, And the original was,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: you know, okay, but this one you can see the
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: real pain and sadness more so than any of the
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: other movies that I've seen with Kong. With the marketing,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: he's the I mean, he is the marketing.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's his face front and center there. Yeah.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: So you just can't not put this on the Mount
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Rushmore of movie primates.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's got to go. He belongs.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: What did this movie do? Did you say?
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah? It did a little over two hundred million at
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: the US box office and five hundred worldwide. I don't
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: know where that put it for the year.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: The budget though, I'm kind of what was the budget
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: It had to be through the run. I mean, I
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: can't imagine because it's Peter Jackson, right, Yeah, there's some
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: great like I mean, I'm trying to remember now because
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: you said revisiting this, there's a point where they're on
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Skull Island, right.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and they're getting attacked by all these different
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: like bugs and creatures and stuff like that.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Just I remember it's a barrage and it was almost
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: like a you can't breathe type of situation because they
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: keep coming and you're like, oh my god, that's a
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: lot of them. And then when you think all right,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: they've kind of fought through them, then more come and
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh my god, and then more come and
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: more coming. You're like, these this is insane.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is pretty crazy. You've described it perfectly. It's
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: the suspense of that scene. You just don't even understand
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: how they're going to get out of that situation. You
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: almost feel defeated just watching it. But man, so good.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: So the budget on this was two hundred and seven million,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: making it the most expensive film ever produced at the time,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: with costs rising from an initial one hundred and fifty
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: million dollars due to visual effects in an extended run.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Time extended runtime two hundred and seven. Yeah, so globally
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: they made I guess they.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Made the movie. Yeah, they they probably they made some money,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: so it's probably it was successful.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: But I mean they went on to do Skull Island,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: which was technically a sequel, right, yeah, I don't.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Know if you consider that a sequel because don't he
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: die at the end of Kingcar.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's obviously not Peter Jackson.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: It might be Jackson Peter. I think it was Jack Peterson.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Jack's Jax Peter. So that's a good one. So your
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: second one then was Project X.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Project X. As a backup, I had Outbreak.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is a good I didn't even think of
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: that one. That's a good one.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Technically our Mount Rushmore is three, but I think that's
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: all right because they're you know, a solid three. My
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: backup was Nope, nopeas the story of Gordy the Chimpanzee, Okay,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: which has a pretty significant, you know, kind of subplot
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: in the movie. Again, this was a cgi you know chimp,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: not an actual real one, but it's kind of a
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: scary and sad subplot in that movie, which kind of
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: has another like treatment of animals angle to it.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: That's funny that that would have been a backup for
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: the Mount rushmot I didn't even think of that one.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: I have to maybe go back and watch that.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty interesting part. Yeah, it's worth checking
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: out again. If there was something, people would be like,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: how could you not have this? Do you have any guests?
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: What I'm thinking here?
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, how do you not have this movie? Yeah? On
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: the Mount Rushmore, I had a long laundry list at
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: the beginning. You're not talking about like Monkey Trouble.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about Monkey Trouble.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Twelve Monkeys, Planet of the Apes, that's the one.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: I was thinking of. Something from the Planet of the
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Apes series. Yeah, because there's been so many of them.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, definitive the ape people, though they
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: kind of evolved in the later movies where they're actual
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: like talking apes. So yeah, that's kind of what I
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: was thinking of as a significant you know series for
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: monkeys or apes.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: So great Mount Rushmore for listeners, let us know if
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: we miss something that you would have rather seen in there.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: But we talked about this and Shad and I were
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: going to make a concerted effort to end each episode
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: now of movies and marketing going forward by sharing an
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: upcoming movie or piece of movie marketing, you know, whether
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: it's a teaser or social or post or whatever that's
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: on our radar. That's on our.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Radar right, something that's buzzing for us.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: So this is a new segment. Hopefully you like it.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: What do you have, Shad, I'll tell you what I have. Patrick.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: This is something I caught recently. I don't know if
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: you've seen it, but if you haven't, you should watch
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  Speaker 2: it and the show so should our listeners. And that
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  Speaker 2: is the trailer for They Will Kill You.
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  Speaker 1: This building is a temple to say each month we
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  Speaker 1: must pay with a human sacrifice. Build today. You are
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  Speaker 1: the offering. Our offering is on the loose, on the lookouts.
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  Speaker 1: I just dropped her picture in the group.
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  Speaker 2: They Will Kill You. This hits theater is March twenty seventh.
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  Speaker 2: It's for Warner Brothers. Really good trailer makes the movie
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  Speaker 2: look propulsive, wild, you know, kind of hilariously violent, think
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  Speaker 2: of sort of a cross between John Wick and kill
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  Speaker 2: Bill and Zombie Land somewhere in there. Great title, a
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  Speaker 2: great looking font they used with the title, and just
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  Speaker 2: kind of leaning into a B movie aesthetic with the
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  Speaker 2: marketing that I think is pretty fun and cool. So
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  Speaker 2: looking forward to this one. That's my kind of thing
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  Speaker 2: to check out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good one. I caught glimpses of that,
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  Speaker 1: I think. I think I've seen the trailer, so that
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  Speaker 1: one's good. And I like the name. Yeah, they've gotten
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  Speaker 1: clever with these new the new names of these movies.
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  Speaker 2: Well, when it's speaking directly to you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they will kill you. True. It's almost like a
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  Speaker 1: with further ado segment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah it is.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I would probably pick the one that I
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  Speaker 1: shared with you actually recently behind the scenes Digger with
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  Speaker 1: none other than Tom Cruise for listeners out there. Tom
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  Speaker 1: Cruise has this upcoming film with director Alejandro g in Arito.
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  Speaker 1: I'm butchering his last name, I'm sure, but this movie
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  Speaker 1: is described as a brutal, wild comedy of catastrophic proportions.
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  Speaker 1: It's scheduled for release in October of twenty six, which
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  Speaker 1: is this year. October of this year, and I will
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  Speaker 1: tell you. The poster is interesting. The font, like the
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  Speaker 1: whole it's very artistic in its representation. It's basically the
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  Speaker 1: word digger stacked. The G is holding a shovel, the
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  Speaker 1: R at the bottom has cowboy boots on. And the
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  Speaker 1: trailer played at one of the movies that I went
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  Speaker 1: to over the holidays, and it's basically like a silhouette.
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  Speaker 1: You don't really make out that this is Tom Cruise,
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  Speaker 1: but I guess it is. This guy's walking with a
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  Speaker 1: shovel and he's got these cowboy boots on and he's
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  Speaker 1: sort of dancing or doing something that on the boardwalk
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  Speaker 1: or peer where you're overlooking the ocean. I don't really
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  Speaker 1: know a lot about this, but I could tell you
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  Speaker 1: the plot. The plot says Tom Cruise plays the most
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  Speaker 1: powerful man in the world who embarks on a frantic
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  Speaker 1: mission to prove he is humanity's savior. Before the disaster
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  Speaker 1: he has unleashed destroys everything. I don't know how true
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  Speaker 1: that is to reality, because this is again this is
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  Speaker 1: sort of the log line, as they say, which is
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  Speaker 1: sort of the ether in the world. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if it's legit or not, but this is a big
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  Speaker 1: departure from Tom Cruise, you know, like it's his first
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  Speaker 1: film really outside of Mission Impossible and the top gun
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  Speaker 1: franchise since twenty seventeen. Doing something like this is of
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  Speaker 1: outside of his normal, you know, mainstay Hollywood big budget films.
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  Speaker 1: It's just very strange. So when I saw that it
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  Speaker 1: was Tom Cruise, I sent it to you. Wasn't your
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  Speaker 1: first reaction was like, what is happening right now?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, watching the trailer, you have no ida. I
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  Speaker 2: mean you could watch it thirty times and You're like,
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  Speaker 2: what the hell is this? What is going on here?
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  Speaker 2: But I'm you know, i'd heard I'd heard of this movie,
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  Speaker 2: and I'd heard Tom Cruise is doing this. That was
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  Speaker 2: the first time I'd seen anything from it, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: just super curious. I'm ready for Cruise to get weird again.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he had that kind of weird period in
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  Speaker 2: the early two thousands, and I really like it, Like
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  Speaker 2: Vanilla Sky, Yes, Eyes Wide Shut, you know, yeah, Collateral. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So I'm ready for him to do kind of some
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  Speaker 2: interesting stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: Again. Here's the thing about him, man, he chooses his
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  Speaker 1: movies very carefully. I would imagine this is going to
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  Speaker 1: be a good movie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how many bad Tom Cruise movies I've
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  Speaker 1: seen over the years.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there aren't many, and he almost always works
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  Speaker 2: with good directors, so I'm just, yeah, super super curious
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  Speaker 2: see where this goes. I really like the poster though,
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  Speaker 2: it's very like Saul Bass and you know, I like
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  Speaker 2: the font they're using and how it kind of it's
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  Speaker 2: just doing something a little different than hey, here's this
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  Speaker 2: star's face or something like that. Yeah, or a blue
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  Speaker 2: alien or.
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  Speaker 1: A blue alien. So check out Digger online. Just look
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  Speaker 1: it up on YouTube, check out the trailer, go look
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  Speaker 1: at the movie. Poster'll be on the show notes page
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  Speaker 1: of course. But that's it. Yeah, so hopefully those are
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  Speaker 1: some coming attractions. But yeah, we hope you enjoyed this episode.
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  Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Movies and Marketing. Until
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  Speaker 1: next time, let's fade to black. I'll be back