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George Carneal: The Silencing, Censorship Of Believers Isn’t Going Away · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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George Carneal, author and speaker, our guest today, the book from queer to Christ.
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George, I'm going to bring you in and we're going to talk about censorship, this podcast.
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And I think I remember something about the description I put in one of the podcasts
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with you because of your title, because of your testimony and your story, former homosexual
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of however many decades and now to Christ, I got tagged or flagged because just for stating
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what happened to you, this was, it may have been one of the first podcasts with you.
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So George, welcome to the podcast.
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Thanks for your time today.
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Thank you for having me back on.
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Yeah, so I want to start right there because I forgot about that until I just looked at
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the top of your website and I remember the book title from queer to Christ and then I put
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a little description in there on this video and I don't, I don't think it was deleted,
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but I think there was a, it was either shadow band or something happened to it.
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Just for stating the truth and there are a lot of former gays, lesbians, transgenders,
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former, there are even some former Democrats and liberals and Marxists, but not as many.
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So right off the top, your thoughts about that because that's your story and I'm sure
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you've been censored to some degree just for, for who you are and your transformation to Christ,
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go ahead.
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Yeah, I get it all the time or they'll stick that conversion therapy warning on there.
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I'm not even talking about conversion therapy, you know, always with the drama.
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They've always got to find something to make it like it's harmful to the community and
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people are going to jump out of windows.
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No, I'm just sharing my testimony.
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I was in the lifestyle, I walked away, I gave it to Christ.
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My body, my choice aren't liberals all about my body, my choice.
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Why is this a big dramatic or deal?
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But, you know, liberals love drama and their victimhood, yeah?
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Not in that context, not in our context, in their context, only when it comes to abortion,
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by the way.
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It's just so, oh, it's so maddening, we could talk about so many things.
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They don't talk about abstinence, they don't talk about adoption, they don't talk about
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raising children, they just just one choice, abort.
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So George, let's start off, there's a lot of articles we want to get to.
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One of them is good news and got a Colorado, but let's go back to your experience with
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GoDaddy.
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A lot of people don't know what that is, they thought, don't they host websites and explain
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because there are some Christians who use GoDaddy and maybe don't have the problems
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that you've been having and so just walk us through what happened recently.
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Okay, so GoDaddy is a website hosting platform.
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I signed up with them and I paid in advance on into, I believe, late 2025.
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But as of about seven months ago, after developing my website and what have you, because some
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of my interviews get flagged by YouTube and are taken down, used to, you could go to
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the hard drive of your computer and then manually upload that same video to the website
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on the GoDaddy platform.
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One day I went in and they now are forcing you to set up an account with Vimeo, who is
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notorious for censorship.
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So when I set up the account and uploaded several videos, they were taken down.
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It's always the harmful to the community hate speech crap.
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So I contacted GoDaddy and I told them specifically, I signed up with them, not Vimeo.
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So it's okay if you want to do that, but you need to at least provide two options when
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uploading a video to the GoDaddy platform, either through Vimeo or they have a second
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option of doing it through their hard drive.
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After several calls to customer service, including speaking with supervisors, including
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contacting the corporate office, I still cannot get this resolved and they're not taking
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it seriously.
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So my next step is to, it's just to warn people in media interviews and in my speaking
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engagements to bypass GoDaddy and go find another platform because if you are at all concerned
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about the least slightest bit of censorship, do not use this platform.
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I can't seem to get them to take this seriously, but I'm not going to shut up.
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So I tell you what, since you've taken money from me for a service that I can't fully
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use, I'm not going to just lie down and roll over and take it.
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This is wrong and I am sick and tired of the censorship.
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I signed up with GoDaddy, not Vimeo, so I want to just warn everyone to warn others
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and to share this podcast if they are considering setting up a website for any reason and they
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are concerned with censorship bypass GoDaddy.
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That's interesting that you can't even use that and you're paying for it.
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I wonder how many other people have that same experience, but they just don't want to
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go through the hassle.
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I appreciate you sticking with it and trying to get to some decision maker there and get
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through a gatekeeper so you can maybe reach someone that can give you some sort of response
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to say, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, but no, probably because it's the biblical
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worldview there against, there against God, Christ, what the Bible teaches, Christians
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who do believe in the truth of Scripture.
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That goes against the flow and so many platforms, it's not just GoDaddy, but it's
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Vimeo YouTube flags videos, they deleted one of mine a couple of months ago, Vimeo I
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know has done that too, rumble I think does not, and I think I asked you this on the
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phone, I don't remember your response.
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Can you put a rumble video up on your website or down on it?
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I don't think they get allowed you to do a link to rumble.
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Now if they did that, that would work.
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For now, I think it's just strictly through Vimeo and YouTube, so again, when I'm wanting
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to upload a video that was flagged and I can't get it from my hard drive, you're keeping
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me from putting the content that I'm trying to share that is mine on a platform that I
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paid for, it really ticks me off.
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And you know, I've looked at the reviews and people have other complaints about GoDaddy,
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but I spoke with Ashley in the corporate office, she requested some information, I even
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sent her a few of the interviews showing how many views that they got, and if they bother
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to take time to listen to them, it's not a hate speech or a hate filled rant.
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I'm sure merely sharing my testimony and what Christ has done in my life, and to give
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hope to those individuals trapped in that bondage.
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But for some reason, this is not being taken seriously, so please get this out to other
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Christian and conservative media platforms, I'm happy to share my story, but I'm sick
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and tired of the censorship, I've gone through it with Instagram, all I did was upload
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an Instagram account, open it, and I just merely put author from queer to Christ, didn't
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make any post, it was shut down in 24 hours, and they did it again not too long after
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that when I tried to do it again, this time I just posted some photos of kittens still
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got taken down for a hate speech harmful to the community, I'm Patreon, I'm Shadowband
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on Twitter, the strikes on YouTube, Facebook, Jail, I'm really fed up with the censorship
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and if there's anyone out there who can legally help me deal with this issue, I'd love to
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hear from you, you can go to my website, GeorgeCarniel.com, and find my website on my email address.
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And there's a contact on there for with your email, right George?
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Correct.
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Okay, that is frustrating, it really is.
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In a way, we have to back up and say, okay, let's just insert this here as we continue
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to rant and rave about the, just the handling of the intolerance of Christians in the
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biblical worldview, and there's discrimination that we're going to be talking about, the
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double standards too, but let's back up and say, okay, Jesus did warn us, if they hated
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me, they're going to hate you too, and we know a lot of these corporations, they are
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against the biblical world, you think it's intolerant, hate speech, so they do not want
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to hear the other side, they do not want to give you a platform to speak.
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But did you say, one of the things you mentioned, Patreon, something happened to you there?
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They said, yeah, down with Patreon, yeah, I didn't know who to go to about that, and I
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want to say this, you know, David, if somebody's providing a free service, a free platform
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and you censor, as long as you are being fair in your censorship, that's one thing.
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But when I paid for the service, oh no, you're not going to censor me, I've paid for that
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service, and I expect to be able to fully utilize that service.
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That's where I'm really ticked off about this whole thing, but Patreon shut me down as
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well.
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Geez.
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That, I don't know why that's surprising, I guess because I follow a handful of people
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on there and didn't realize they were intolerant, like the others.
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So no surprise there, well, you know, all it takes is that one individual working there
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who has a bug up their rear end at that day in time, and they may just shut it down.
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At the time, I didn't think about trying to fully pursue that further, maybe with the
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corporate office, that is my regret, but it won't happen again.
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Yeah, good for you.
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So brother, you mentioned, I think maybe it was me that mentioned double standards.
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We both been, you know, talking about this.
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Let's go back to 10 years ago, I'm almost exactly 10 years ago, you sent me this article,
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I remember it, over at the Christian post, 13 gay bakeries refused to make traditional
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marriage cake with the message gay marriage is wrong.
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So someone tried to do that.
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Who was it?
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It was Theodore Shubat of Shubat.com.
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He wanted to see if the same level of tolerance that Christian business owners who believe
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in traditional marriage are required to abide by is also being exemplified at bakeries
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that advocate for same sex marriage.
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And he found the glaring double standard, George, you're take on this.
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It's almost comical, but it's sad reflection of where we're at as a culture.
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Yeah, it's not surprising.
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It's okay for them to be hate filled and to stand up for what they believe in.
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But when some little bigoted Christian says, well, I don't agree with it.
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Go find there are plenty of gay friendly bakers out there.
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Go out, go do it.
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But the message has been given to these individuals that all the Christians will just
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acquiesce and roll over and if they don't go sue them and destroy them.
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But they don't pull this crap with a Jewish or Muslim bakeries.
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Of course, you never hear that, even though you and I both know that that was, as you discussed
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earlier, an experiment that someone did, I'm just sick and tired of the hypocrisy and
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I'm tired of Christians being on the receiving end.
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If there were only Christian bakeries, I could understand that, but there are so many bakeries
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out there who would welcome the business of LGBT individuals that they should go to them
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and support them.
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But the Christian saying that they don't want to do it is not that they are being hate
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filled.
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It's not even that they are homophobic or transphobic.
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It is simply that we are trying to follow the truth of God's word and we are allowed
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to do that without being harassed and discriminated and having our lives destroyed.
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Isn't that interesting that they only go after Christians and they're trying, and they've
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made some progress.
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By the way, what they put, Jack Phillips, the maker from Colorado, what they put him
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through, it should be criminal.
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They should not do that.
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And one of the reasons, friends, I want to back up and say this, we're just letting
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George vent.
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And this is a platform where he's able to do that.
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And I want this to get out there rightly.
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So you, George, you have a reason, I'll write to be upset.
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And we know this is happening to other people and they've just been silenced for so long.
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They just, they throw their hands up and they don't, then they don't try to get the truth
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out there.
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So that's disappointing.
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But it does happen to a lot of good people.
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And one of the reasons we are so upset or disappointed is the freedoms we have in this
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country, religious freedom, the first amendment freedom of speech.
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That's one of the reasons we should be protected.
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But things have shifted to where there's almost an acceptable discrimination or an intolerance
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toward Bible believing Christians now.
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And it didn't used to be that way.
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That's one of the reasons we're disappointed.
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And most other countries that we wouldn't be able to be upset because it's like, okay,
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this is just the way it is here.
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You can't talk about these things.
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But in America, we've been able to, in the history of the United States up until, I
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don't know, the last 20 years.
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Or so your brief thoughts on that, George, before we continue?
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Exactly.
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Again, if, imagine David, if Christians had gone and sued those gay bakeries that refused
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to make that cake, it would have been arm again.
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It's these mean Christians being intolerant and beating up people.
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I'm so sick and tired of their doubles.
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They know how to play the words.
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We know the liberal media is controlled and stuff.
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It's time for Christians to start saying we've had enough and start suing these places
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into oblivion.
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And somewhere along the way, people will understand that we're not going to take your crap anymore.
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We have a right to live and to follow our faith and to have our businesses and you do not
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have a right to destroy our lives simply because you don't agree with it.
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And lastly, when I'm trying to share the message, because this is what they do to the ex-gays
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and the ex trans individuals, the LGBT community will literally threaten us and tell us to keep
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our mouths shut when all we are trying to do is say, is that if it's not working for
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you or here's the dangers of the trans ideology and the medications and the botched surgeries,
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the complications and people who are warning that it caused more problems, we are doing
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this out of love because we don't want to see them go through the hell that we've been
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through.
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But no, it's always hate speech and harmful to the community.
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And when you ask these platforms to please specifically tell me, what is it that you found
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offensive?
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Of course, you get no response because it's just the generic.
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We don't like it.
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So therefore, it's hate speech and we're going to de-platform you or strike it.
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Now, GeorgeCarnial.com, we've got to take a break.
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So 13 bakeries refused 10 years ago to make a cake with a Christian message, Bible believes
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that's wrong, gay marriage is wrong.
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That's gay bakeries.
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What we didn't mention and you alluded to, it was, I believe it was Stephen Crowder around
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that same time, roughly 10 years ago.
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He actually went to Muslim bakeries and asked for a gay marriage or a gay wedding cake.
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Now he's not gay, but he played the part, went into these bakeries and they said, no,
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no, we're not going to do that.
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We're not going to make a gay wedding cake.
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They never, I have no recollection of ever one Muslim bakery being sued.
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I wonder why.
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George Carneal is our guest today over to that story out of Colorado, over at The Blaze
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and over at Harbinger's Daily, after the blatant targeting of Christians, Colorado, the
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state of Colorado now has to pay over $1.5 million to a graphic designer why for violating
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her freedoms.
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It's a settlement after this U.S. Supreme Court's ruling last year upholding free speech
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for all Americans.
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I know I sent you this, George, we don't have to go through every detail, but your response
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because a lot of cases come out like this, just we don't hear them in the news in the
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liberal Marxist media or the big, you know, ABC, CBS, NBC, the uber liberal or progressive
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media outlets.
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That's why we don't hear these stories, but there's a lot of good news when people actually
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say, you know what?
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Like you, I'm going to stand up this, I'm going to warn them.
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And if they don't repent or stop this, I'm going to sue.
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Go ahead and share your thoughts on this positive outcome in 1.5 million and court fees
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or costs.
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Go ahead.
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Bravo.
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I wish it had been 100 million, but this is what Christians need to do.
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They need to see that the laws work both ways and you are not entitled to be discriminated
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against because of your beliefs.
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And so we've got to stop being gutless cowards.
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We've got to start standing up to this and that goes for parents because there are parents
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who have successfully sued school systems where their kids are being indoctrinated with
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this LGBT agenda and this sex act curriculum and stuff.
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You need to start standing up for your children, for the children and start fighting back and
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start fighting back for our religious freedom.
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And you know, David, I heard, I don't know really what the number is, but I heard that there
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were 20 plus million, I don't know if that's true or not, Christians who don't vote.
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Imagine if Christians actually got involved in the political system, the process and voted
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for good, God-fearing Christians, we could turn this country around.
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I mean, look at what the Amish did in Pennsylvania and how that really had an impact on the outcome.
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We Christians do have the power.
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Unfortunately, the woke Christians will drag us down.
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But if we all stand up and start fighting against this and start standing up to these organizations
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that discriminate against us and the school systems, they'll soon get the lesson that,
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oh, oh, these Christians are not taking it anymore.
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So let's talk briefly about a few quotes from this article.
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We're quoting Colorado Attorney General, leftist Peter Weiser, who represented the state,
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that the ruling was, quote, far out of step with the will of the American people and American values.
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That's what they say, though.
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Now, let's hear from Alliance Defending Freedom, the legal group that represented Smith
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and the Supreme Court's decision that already been cited nearly 1,000 times in court opinions,
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briefs and various legal publications.
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So Christian Wagoner, she's the CEO of ADF Alliance Defending Freedom.
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She said, the government can't force Americans to say things they don't believe and Colorado
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officials have paid and will continue to pay a high price when they violate this foundational
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freedom.
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And then she goes on to mention the toilet pet for the past 12 years, Colorado targeting
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people of faith.
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And it's not just Colorado, it's not just New York City, Chicago, it's not just San Francisco.
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But now more cases are coming out, 1,000 times it's been cited.
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So that's good news, but we just, again, friends, be encouraged by this story.
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It happens more often than we will ever hear about in the Marxist media.
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George, before we go on to the next one on censorship, your final thoughts on this outcome
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or whatever you want to share, brother.
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I just want to say, Christians be encouraged, do not be doormats.
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It doesn't mean that we can't defend ourselves in love and act like good Christians.
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But still the legal system works both ways.
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And we need to start fighting back to send a message to these people, to Hollywood, to
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the liberal media outlet and these people who think they can just slander us and throw
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our names, drag us through the mud, blaspheme the Holy Spirit, Jesus, use God's name and
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vain, make Christians and Catholics look like idiots in these Hollywood films.
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It's time that we start boycotting and start using our dollar, our dollars and our mouths
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and the court systems to start sending a message to these people.
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We're not tolerating it anymore.
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Okay.
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Now, in the last five minutes or so, we just want to, this is going to get a little heavy
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because there's another article going back to last year on someone actually researching
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this and it's called the censorship industrial complex.
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They reported the names of top 50 groups working to censor Americans.
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So now this is not just Christians.
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This could be conservatives, could be independence.
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This includes not just the biblical worldview, but includes health, medical, COVID, what we
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learned during that whole thing.
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But now let's bring up that photo, that image of the censorship industrial complex.
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It's pretty vast.
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Look at that.
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And they're all working together or maybe not even in unison, but they're all part of
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this complex, I call it the one tech, one party big tech media conglomerate because pretty
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much they all fact check the right or conservatives or Christians or, you know, others, but they
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don't do the same thing.
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It's, again, the double standard.
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So George, we don't have a lot of time to talk about it, but they censor so-called misinformation
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or disinformation.
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And you, I think most of us in our audience know exactly what that means.
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It's what, didn't I think about that princess bride?
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You keep using that word.
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I do not think it means what you think it means, misinformation, only the word was inconceivable.
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Your thoughts on this, George.
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It's only misinformation or disinformation when the liberal disagrees with it.
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Notice they're always screaming.
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They need to be heard.
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We need to respect them and their rights.
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Their feelings and emotions and let some little ex gay or ex trans or Christians stand
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up and just say, Oh, I've got a feeling.
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I've got a thought.
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I've got an emotion.
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I have something to say.
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My aha moment.
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Oh, heck no.
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Sit down and have a seat and you're a bad little Christian.
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Be quiet.
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So I'm tired of the crap.
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Yeah.
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So am I.
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But if you look at just under the big tech category, you've got Google, Facebook, Instagram,
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Pinterest, it used to be Twitter.
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Now it's X.
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So this was before Elon Musk took it over.
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Thankfully on X, we can pretty much speak whatever we want to speak now, at least from
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my understanding.
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And there's TikTok, YouTube and LinkedIn.
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So that's just those are just eight of them under the big tech category.
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There are NGOs, there are foundations, there's government, there's for profit, there's academic
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initiatives, think tanks.
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So this is all part of this.
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We are going to put this link in the description of today's podcast so you can get and just
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look at this.
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It's put out by children's health defense.org, children's health defense.org and it's
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the censorship industrial complex.
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And there's just so much in there, you saw friends how vast that graph was with all of
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these entities working to silence one viewpoint or the viewpoints they disagree with.
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What is that called when you put out your talking points or propaganda, state approved talking
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points and you censor or silence others?
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That is communist policy in America.
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We've got to come to terms with this George, your final thoughts here or wherever you want
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to go in the last couple of minutes.
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I just want to say if anyone has questions or they want more information, my website is
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George, carnail, car in eal.com, you can find information on where to find the book from
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queer to Christ.
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If there are parents who are struggling with this issue with children, know that there
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is hope.
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Those who are trapped in that bondage know that God loves you and Jesus died for you and
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I have been out of that lifestyle for 17 years freedom can be found in Christ.
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And lastly, I'm asking everyone to please, if you know of any media conservative Christian
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and other outlets who would be interested in addressing this censorship, please forward
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this broadcast and support David's show as well.
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But I'm asking people to please support us and get this message out there, especially
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if God is raising up other people who are now going to have information that they want
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to share with the world.
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I want them to avoid the platforms that aren't going to be supportive of them or if there's
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a slight risk of censorship, please share this broadcast.
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Thanks George, appreciate your time, appreciate your voice and I'm disappointed but not surprised
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by what you're going through and what you've dealt with.
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I've dealt with it to some degree and I think a lot of people unfortunately in our viewing
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audience or listening audience also know what it's like to be shut down, silenced, censored
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in some way, whether that be on social media or else other places.
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But again, one of the big reasons we're disappointed, guys, this is America.
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Land of the free.
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Hello.
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That means free speech.
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Our founder has fought for that.
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There's a lot of blood with shed so that we could have the right to speak and right
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now the tide has been shifting against us.
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So friends, again, a friendly warning that this censorship and discrimination against believers,
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it's biblical.
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It's not going away but let's fight it and speak the truth while we can and George,
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brother, God bless you.
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Thanks again.
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We'll do this again, Lord willing.
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Thank you, David.
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Appreciate it.
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All right.
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And friends, God bless you.
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We appreciate all your gifts and donations that you send in and remember the pen set that
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you could get.
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We only do this twice a year.
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We take about a week or two and just remind you on certain podcasts that we are doing
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a fundraiser for the next six months.
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We're looking ahead.
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2025.
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Oh my goodness.
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So happy Thanksgiving, Mary Christmas and we're going to be saying happy New Year soon.
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But anyway, God bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.