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#569 Justin's New Book: Dad's Guide to Pregnancy For Dummies · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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  Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the
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  Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers now.
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  Speaker 2: So I would definitely say this is for anyone who's
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  Speaker 2: about to become a dad, whether it's for the first
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  Speaker 2: time or second, third, fourth, fifth time, You're going to
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  Speaker 2: be so much more supportive and so much better in
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  Speaker 2: that labor room if you read this book.
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  Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mum
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  Speaker 1: and dad.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, this is doctor Justin coles To, the founder of
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  Speaker 2: Happy Families dot com dot hu and Channel Minds, parental guidance,
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  Speaker 2: parenting expert and co host. I'm here with Kylie today,
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  Speaker 2: my wife, mum to our six kids and parenting podcast partner. Normally,
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  Speaker 2: every Wednesday we have a conversation with somebody who's written
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  Speaker 2: a book or who's worthy of interviewing so that we
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  Speaker 2: can get our parenting right. But today Kylie is joining
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  Speaker 2: me for a very rare Wednesday appearance and we're reversing roles.
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  Speaker 2: Normally I'm the one asking the questions, but today it's
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  Speaker 2: missus Happy Families asking me the questions because I've got
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  Speaker 2: a new book that's come out.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I actually have a bone to pick with you,
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  Speaker 3: because I was listening to one of the interviews the
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  Speaker 3: other week and you said that Wednesdays was your favorite
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  Speaker 3: day because you got to talk to very interesting people.
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  Speaker 2: I really say that you did. Oh maybe I was
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  Speaker 2: just saying that to make them feel good about being
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  Speaker 2: on the podcast being interviewed by me.
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  Speaker 3: Because so you are suggesting, by the very fact that
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  Speaker 3: you're sitting on the opposite side of the table today
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  Speaker 3: that you are a very interesting person.
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  Speaker 2: Oh gosh boy, Well, I've written.
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  Speaker 3: A book, and clearly the other four days of the
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  Speaker 3: week that we talk is not a very interesting person.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the one of the highlights of my
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  Speaker 2: life is recording this podcast with you.
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  Speaker 3: Go hi larious.
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  Speaker 2: Am I digging deeper? Am I getting myself out of
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  Speaker 2: this whole?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm really excited about this today because when we
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  Speaker 3: first started podcasting together, interviews scared the bejeebi's out of me,
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  Speaker 3: the GB's. But I'm actually I'm really excited about today's conversations.
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  Speaker 2: So, Okay, you've got this new book yep, Dad's Guide
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  Speaker 2: to Pregnancy for Dummy. If you're going to google it now,
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  Speaker 2: We've got the link to the to the book in
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  Speaker 2: the show notes. But if you're going to google it,
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  Speaker 2: you need to make sure that you get the one
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  Speaker 2: that I've written, because this is the second Australian edition.
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  Speaker 2: There's dummies books Dad's Guide to Pregnancy for Dummies around
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  Speaker 2: the world. All kinds of editions are out there, so
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  Speaker 2: you need to make sure you get the one with
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  Speaker 2: my name on the cover. Otherwise I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: you're going to read.
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  Speaker 3: Are you ready to go off the driver's sea? I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I just wanted to make sure everyone knew that the
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  Speaker 2: book is called Dad's Guide to Pregnancy for Dummies, Second
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  Speaker 2: Australian edition.
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  Speaker 3: I think they just need to look at Justin Coles
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  Speaker 3: to Justin Coulson. Okay, there's lots of words and I
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  Speaker 3: think for the time for parent, Justin Coulson is enough.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Dad's Guide to Pregnancy for Dummies, Justin Coulson, Second
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  Speaker 2: Australian Edition. Just wanted to be clear.
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  Speaker 3: I'm really curious, though, how did you feel about being
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  Speaker 3: approached to do a dummies book?
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  Speaker 2: Am I a bit hard to interview?
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  Speaker 3: You're painful?
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  Speaker 2: I was shocked. I had no idea. So the dummies
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  Speaker 2: Book's been around for such a long time now they
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  Speaker 2: literally came to me and said, we want to update
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  Speaker 2: the Dad's Guide to Pregnancy for Dummies.
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  Speaker 3: Did you even know the book existed?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know that it existed.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe you should have.
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  Speaker 2: The first edition was put together by a couple of
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  Speaker 2: Kiwi guys, and they used to have a Dad's website
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  Speaker 2: that was out there, and it was actually a pretty
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  Speaker 2: decent sort of content on their website and also pretty
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  Speaker 2: decent content in the book. But once they handed me
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  Speaker 2: the book and I looked at I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it does need a fresh and it does feel like
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  Speaker 2: it's a bit old and the world's moved on. But
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  Speaker 2: I was stoked. I mean, the Dummies brand is fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: I've never written a book specifically for dads, and I've
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  Speaker 2: certainly never written anything for parenting at at the very
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  Speaker 2: very beginning stages. I mean, everything that I write is
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  Speaker 2: really for parents who have got kids at are two
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  Speaker 2: or three and above and are starting to drive their
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  Speaker 2: parents crazy. So it was really fun to look at
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  Speaker 2: the pregnancy and labor period, just that first just after
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  Speaker 2: the baby's born kind of period, do some research and
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  Speaker 2: write some really cool stuff about that.
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  Speaker 3: This process was obviously really different to your other books.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you have created a concept all on your
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  Speaker 3: own and have written a book from start to finish,
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  Speaker 3: whereas this one you were reviewing somebody else's work and
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  Speaker 3: then putting your touch and feel to it. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: wondering how you found going through that process. Was it
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  Speaker 3: an enjoyable process for you?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? And no. So the workload's a lot smaller, a
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  Speaker 2: lot lower, because somebody's already done all the structuring. Somebody's
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  Speaker 2: already put together all of the ideas, and now it's
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  Speaker 2: a case of saying, do these ideas belong? Should I
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  Speaker 2: chuck them out? What else could go in here? Every
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  Speaker 2: now and again, with the greatest respect to the guys
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  Speaker 2: that wrote the first edition, they didn't have a pH
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  Speaker 2: d in psychology, They didn't know the stuff that I know,
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  Speaker 2: and they also didn't have the benefit of an additional
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  Speaker 2: fifteen or so years of psychological research to help us
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  Speaker 2: to be well informed on these things. So a couple
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  Speaker 2: of times I would read things and be like, oh, really,
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  Speaker 2: oh man, it needed a freshen up, it needed an update.
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  Speaker 2: But it was also frustrating because it kind of already
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  Speaker 2: had this structure and with the timeframes we were dealing
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  Speaker 2: with I probably would have structured the whole book differently
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  Speaker 2: if I had time, But this is a revision and
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  Speaker 2: an update. It's not a brand new book. So within
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  Speaker 2: the fins of what I was writing, it was both
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  Speaker 2: good and bad. It was efficient, it was effective, and
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  Speaker 2: I got to do really great work. I think if
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  Speaker 2: I'd had more time, I probably would have done a
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  Speaker 2: more comprehensive review of it. But these are the restraints
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  Speaker 2: that we're dealing with, and I'm really happy with the outcome.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm delighted with it.
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  Speaker 3: So did you change much of the content and the
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  Speaker 3: feel of the book, and if so, would you consider
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  Speaker 3: that the book is now yours?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say the book's eighty percent mine. It
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  Speaker 2: was a lot. It was kind of bloky, and it's
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  Speaker 2: still got that little bit of a blokey tinge to it,
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  Speaker 2: but not nearly like it was before. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: I've put in really important material to help dads to
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  Speaker 2: support their partner during not just pregnancy, but particularly during
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  Speaker 2: the labor process. That's something that the book was really
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  Speaker 2: really light on, and I've beefed that up incredibly. And
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  Speaker 2: because it's twenty twenty two and we've learnt so much
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  Speaker 2: about how relationships work in the last fifteen or twenty years.
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  Speaker 2: I put a great big section in there about consent.
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  Speaker 2: Consent matters at every stage of a relationship, but every
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  Speaker 2: now and again there's this idea that once you're in
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  Speaker 2: a permanent relationship with somebody that maybe consent isn't such
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  Speaker 2: a big deal. I wanted to really clearly state it
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  Speaker 2: is a big.
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  Speaker 3: Deal, especially postpartum.
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  Speaker 2: Especially during pregnancy and after the labor. This is something
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  Speaker 2: that we really need to ensure that men understand.
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  Speaker 3: So were there any specific personal experiences that you leaned
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  Speaker 3: into as you went through this process.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we've been through this six times. We've had six
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  Speaker 2: healthy pregnancies and five natural births one Cesaian and I
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  Speaker 2: leaned heavily on the experiences and the learnings that we've
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  Speaker 2: had and the people that we've talked to that have
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  Speaker 2: taught us really valuable stuff about how husbands and partners
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  Speaker 2: can be the most supportive possible over the person who's
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  Speaker 2: actually giving birth in the delivery room. That was what
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  Speaker 2: I leaned on so heavily. I'm going to say something
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  Speaker 2: that's a bit provocative, a bit controversial, but I really
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  Speaker 2: believe it and I don't say it with disrespect to
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  Speaker 2: those who are doing this work. What I will say though,
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  Speaker 2: is that typically the birth in classes that occur in hospitals,
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  Speaker 2: the sort of semi compulsory birthing classes that you get
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  Speaker 2: to go to pride to the birth of the baby,
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  Speaker 2: they're not valuable. They're not helpful as a dad. They
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  Speaker 2: gave me absolutely nothing, literally nothing. I was useless as
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  Speaker 2: a result of what I learned there. But what I
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  Speaker 2: learned from books and from talking to people who were
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  Speaker 2: educators in this space, people who really know their stuff
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  Speaker 2: change the way that you and I had our birth experiences,
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  Speaker 2: the way that you went through labor, and the way
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  Speaker 2: that I supported you, and I leaned heavily on that
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  Speaker 2: information and what the research around that emphasizes, so that
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  Speaker 2: dad's new dads, whether it's the first baby or the
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  Speaker 2: fourth baby, so that they can be the very best
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  Speaker 2: support to their partner or wife that they can be.
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  Speaker 2: And I know that that section of the book is
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  Speaker 2: going to be more more valuable than anything else in
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  Speaker 2: the book. It's just so good.
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  Speaker 3: So after the break, we'll talk a little bit more
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  Speaker 3: about this editing process that you've been through. But I'm
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  Speaker 3: actually really curious to know what you've learned as a
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  Speaker 3: dad and what you wish you'd knowing all the way
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  Speaker 3: back at the outset, and how that will hopefully flow
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  Speaker 3: on to your readers.
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  Speaker 3: Now it's the Happy Families podcast, the podcast for the
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  Speaker 3: time poor parent who just wants answers Now and we
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  Speaker 3: are discussing your brand new.
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  Speaker 2: Book, Dad's Going to Pregnancy for Dummies, second Australian edition.
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  Speaker 2: Make sure that you follow the link in the show
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  Speaker 2: notes if you want to grab a copy for anyone
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  Speaker 2: that you know who's going to be having a baby soon.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny being in the interview's chair, isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm much happier on the other side.
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  Speaker 2: So what else do you want to know about how
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  Speaker 2: I wrote this book.
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  Speaker 3: Huh, well, I'm interested to know how did you decide
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  Speaker 3: what to keep and what not to keep, because, like
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  Speaker 3: you said, you're going through this process, it's not actually
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  Speaker 3: your bookah, and you've got this structure in place, it
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  Speaker 3: isn't what you would have done. How did you decide
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  Speaker 3: what you got rid of?
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  Speaker 2: There was some things that were really obvious, Like there
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  Speaker 2: was one section about how there is a very low
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  Speaker 2: percentage chance, like infinitesimally small chance that women during label
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  Speaker 2: will have an orgasm. I mean, there's documented cases of
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  Speaker 2: this happening, but it barely ever happens. It kind of
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  Speaker 2: felt like it was voyeuristic, it was sensationalistic, and it
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  Speaker 2: just didn't need to be in the book. It's not
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  Speaker 2: going to be helpful, it's not really relevant. It doesn't
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  Speaker 2: help anybody as they're going through the labor process, male
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  Speaker 2: or female.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think I know any woman who's thinking about orgasming.
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  Speaker 2: Whilst she's kipping breath. No, and while I don't have
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  Speaker 2: a detailed conversations with too many people, it's nothing that
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  Speaker 2: I've ever heard of before. So I mean, if it happens,
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  Speaker 2: good luck to your well done. But I didn't think
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  Speaker 2: that it needed to be in the book. So there
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  Speaker 2: were things like that where I was like, well, actually
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  Speaker 2: this is not all that relevant. There were also just
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  Speaker 2: things to update, There were things to tidy up, things
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  Speaker 2: that I wanted to move through. And all it really
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  Speaker 2: came down to is having been through this six times,
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  Speaker 2: having read lots of books, having had the experience that
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  Speaker 2: we've got, and having a PhD in psychology and working
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  Speaker 2: with families for ten, fifteen, twenty years now, there's just
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  Speaker 2: kind of this feel. As you write a book, you
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  Speaker 2: get a feel for what needs to be there and
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  Speaker 2: what doesn't, what's going to be helpful and what's not,
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  Speaker 2: what's going to add value to a person's life and
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  Speaker 2: what won't. And so I just pulled stuff out that
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  Speaker 2: didn't seem to me to be going to add value
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  Speaker 2: and tried to find ways that I could really be
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  Speaker 2: useful to somebody reading. My job when I write a
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  Speaker 2: book is not to show everyone how much I know.
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  Speaker 2: It's to say, what's the most useful thing that you
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  Speaker 2: need to know about this specific issue. So I tried
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  Speaker 2: to put useful stuff in, tried to take stuff out
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  Speaker 2: that didn't feel like it was going to be quite
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  Speaker 2: so relevant.
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  Speaker 3: So what are you hoping that your readers will take
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  Speaker 3: away from the book?
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  Speaker 2: More than anything, what I'd like to see happen is
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  Speaker 2: that dads will know how to be more supportive of
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  Speaker 2: their wives and partners through the pregnancy, but especially during
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  Speaker 2: the labor. I've said this already in the conversation, but
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  Speaker 2: I want to emphasize it. When I think about all
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  Speaker 2: of the things that you and I've been through. We've
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  Speaker 2: been married for twenty four years, if I'm getting my
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  Speaker 2: math's right, twenty four and a half years. The thing
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  Speaker 2: that has really overwhelmingly stuck in my mind as incredibly
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  Speaker 2: powerful in our relationship is what we went through as
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  Speaker 2: our babies were born, and the way that I did
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  Speaker 2: my very best to support you and help you. And
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  Speaker 2: while I am not claiming for a second that I've
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  Speaker 2: been perfect at it, I know that they've been meaningful experiences.
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  Speaker 2: They've been really transcendent experiences for you and I and
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  Speaker 2: for our relationship, memories that I look back on with
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  Speaker 2: so much awe and so much gratitude and so much
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  Speaker 2: delight when I consider how it felt for us to
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  Speaker 2: have that experience. So I want other people to have
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  Speaker 2: those experiences. I want the birth of their child or
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  Speaker 2: children to be as meaningful for them as it has
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  Speaker 2: been for us, and for the partner who's not actually
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  Speaker 2: going through the labor to do more than stand there
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  Speaker 2: and you'rn and look at the phone and wonder how
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  Speaker 2: long this is going to go and feel useless. I
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  Speaker 2: felt like I really made a contribution, and I want
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  Speaker 2: other husbands and partners to have the same experience.
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  Speaker 3: I love that notion because I think back to baby
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  Speaker 3: number one and just how ill equipped we both were, yes,
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  Speaker 3: in the whole process from start to finish, and how
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  Speaker 3: helpless you felt because you couldn't do enough to support me,
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  Speaker 3: and how frustrated I was because I needed you and
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  Speaker 3: you there was I didn't know how to help you
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  Speaker 3: help me either, Yeah, And then going through that process
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  Speaker 3: three years later with baby number two.
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  Speaker 2: And how and being so equipped with all that knowledge.
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  Speaker 3: So equipped and having gone through the process ourselves, even
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  Speaker 3: though we didn't understand it then definitely equipped us better.
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  Speaker 3: But having the education that we were able to go
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  Speaker 3: through made worlds of difference. And as that process continued
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  Speaker 3: with each of our children, what I saw was you
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  Speaker 3: were my rock in every sense of the word. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't actually see the midwives as being the experts in
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  Speaker 3: the room, because they were. They were the medical experts,
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  Speaker 3: and if something went wrong, I knew that they would
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  Speaker 3: be there to help me. But the expert for me,
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  Speaker 3: who knew me intimately and knew what I needed and
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  Speaker 3: knew how to give me the specific individual and personal
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  Speaker 3: support that I needed was you. And that was was
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  Speaker 3: just the most beautiful experience. And to think that you're
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  Speaker 3: able to share that knowledge with others so that they
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  Speaker 3: can have that experience is life changing.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what I've tried to do, and hopefully I've
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  Speaker 2: done it reasonably well because I feel the same way
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  Speaker 2: that you do. And that's why that's why I embraced
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  Speaker 2: the opportunity to write this book.
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  Speaker 3: So this book is specifically for men who are literally
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  Speaker 3: staring down the barrel of dadhood.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, first time, well not necessarily the first time. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I know, with what I've written and what we experience
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  Speaker 2: with all of the births, if you're going to if
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  Speaker 2: you're about to be a first time dad, this is
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  Speaker 2: going to be immensely helpful, enormously helpful. But I actually
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  Speaker 2: think it might be even more helpful if you're about
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  Speaker 2: to become a dad for the second or the third time,
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  Speaker 2: because you've kind of been through this and you know
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  Speaker 2: how useless you felt. Reading the book is going to
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  Speaker 2: help you to feel like you've actually got a contribution,
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  Speaker 2: to make a meaningful contribution. So I would definitely say
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  Speaker 2: this is for anyone who's about to become dad, whether
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  Speaker 2: it's for the first time or second, third, fourth, fifth time,
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  Speaker 2: You're going to be so much more supportive and so
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  Speaker 2: much better in that labor room if you read this book.
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  Speaker 2: Then if you just keep on doing what you've always done.
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  Speaker 3: What do you know now as a dad that you
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  Speaker 3: wish you had a known back when we welcomed our
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  Speaker 3: first child into life.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that you can transfer this knowledge, but
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  Speaker 2: just how transformative it is, how much it will change
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  Speaker 2: your life, how much these little fingers that are wrapping
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  Speaker 2: around your pinky or that tiny little mouth is going
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  Speaker 2: to completely melt your heart for the rest of your life.
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  Speaker 2: That would be one thing, But the second thing is
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  Speaker 2: just what that birth process, if done well, if done
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  Speaker 2: in a really connected way, what it can do for
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  Speaker 2: a partner relationship, for a husband or wife. It's extraordinary,
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  Speaker 2: And I'm so.
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  Speaker 3: Grateful for it. So lucky. Last question, Okay, do you
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  Speaker 3: feel like you achieved what you set out to do
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  Speaker 3: with the book?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really excited about it. Like I'm genuinely excited
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: that the book's coming out, Dad's Guide to Pregnancy for Dummies,
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  Speaker 2: second Australian edition by me, doctor Justin Colson. I really
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: I was stoked with it. With the timeframes that we had,
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  Speaker 2: with the skeleton, the template that we were working with,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we could have done a much better job.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really pleased with it.
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  Speaker 3: So if people are looking to buy the book, where
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  Speaker 3: would they get it from?
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: Well, thanks so much for asking. You'll find it wherever
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: you find your books. Typically you can go into any
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: books sore or if you can find one of those,
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  Speaker 2: or jump online and just google my name and Dad's
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  Speaker 2: Guide to Pregnancy for Dummies, or jump into the show
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: notes of this podcast and you'll find it all there.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think that's a wrap. Did I do it? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: You just got to do the whole end of the
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  Speaker 2: podcasting and we're out. Well done.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So I've got to thank Justin rule On from
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  Speaker 3: Bridge Media, Yeah, for doing all of our production. He
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  Speaker 3: makes it sound amazing. He does, so this will sound
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  Speaker 3: amazing by the time we're finished. Jr. And I've got
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  Speaker 3: to thank Craig Bruce. He's our executive producer and he
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: is just a wealth of knowledge helps us stay on track,
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  Speaker 3: and we really appreciate everything he does and anyone else.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's probably about it. If you want to
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  Speaker 3: find more information about any of the things that we've
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: talked about today or on our podcasts in general, go
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  Speaker 3: to Happy Families dot com dot au.
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  Speaker 2: It nailed it.