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DEAD, MISSING SPACE SCIENTISTS MYSTERY RAGING UNSOLVED · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: US space scientists either dead or missing.
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Speaker 2: It's fishy, harassment, harassment, threat threat, it's suspicious.
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Speaker 3: She didn't take no fee.
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Speaker 1: There's no bullet.
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Speaker 4: If there were a staged suicide, then why be so
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Speaker 4: sloppy about it?
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Speaker 1: It's bis.
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Speaker 5: When things happen once, it's an anomaly. When things happen twice,
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Speaker 5: you could chalk it up as a coincidence. But when
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Speaker 5: it happens three times, now you have a trend.
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Speaker 1: Bombshell Tonight in the case of dead and missing US
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Speaker 1: scientists with top clearances across the board Tonight, the body
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Speaker 1: count seventeen joining US Tonight Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave Matt.
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt, what more can you tell.
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Speaker 6: Us, Nancy?
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Speaker 7: As we have taken a look at this story a
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Speaker 7: number of times times, there are three names that are
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Speaker 7: kind of bubbling to the surface right now, retired General
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Speaker 7: Neil mccaslan, Anthony Chavez, and Melissa Cassias. In the case
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Speaker 7: of General Neil mccaslan, retired general, this is a man
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Speaker 7: who controlled two point two billion dollars in government funding
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Speaker 7: for research he spent and by the way, research in
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Speaker 7: propulsion technology. This is a man who spent the largest
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Speaker 7: part of his career at Wright Patterson Air Force Base,
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Speaker 7: where the UFO community knows has been the subject of
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Speaker 7: a lot of questions about our government's research into extraterrestrial.
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Speaker 6: Technology, if it exists.
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Speaker 7: But more than that, Neil McCaslin, the guy is sixty
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Speaker 7: six years old. And as we were all beginning to
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Speaker 7: cover the Nancy Guthrie story in February, you know, we
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Speaker 7: were three and a half weeks into that story, every
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Speaker 7: day looking what was happening in Arizona, and General Neil
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Speaker 7: McCaslin went missing on February twenty seventh.
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Speaker 6: For a brief moment, people were.
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Speaker 7: Like, wait a minute, what's going on with these senior citizens?
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Speaker 7: They just seemed to disappear. The Neil McCaslin story was
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Speaker 7: coming well. The information we got came from his wife.
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Speaker 7: Pretty Much everything we know about his recent health, his demeanor,
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Speaker 7: his idea and lie, everything comes from his wife.
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Speaker 6: I'm not challenging her, Nancy.
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Speaker 7: I'm just pointing out that it's Neil mccaslyn's wife that
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Speaker 7: said he had kind of a brain fog going on,
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Speaker 7: and he left home without his phone and without other
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Speaker 7: things he would normally have and just went walking away.
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Speaker 7: She was gone from the house for an hour, and
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Speaker 7: when she got back she couldn't find him anywhere and
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Speaker 7: reported him missing. Well, Nancy, I've been in that area
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Speaker 7: of Albuquerque, New Mexico, where General Neil mccastlean went missing.
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Speaker 7: It's tough terrain. It's rugged terrain at the base of
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Speaker 7: the Sandia Mountains. My brother and I when we were kids,
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Speaker 7: we did a lot of hiking up in that area.
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Speaker 7: It's not an area you go without knowing where you're
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Speaker 7: going because the terrain is difficult. But if Neil McCasland
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Speaker 7: was to walk away within the hour that his wife
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Speaker 7: was gone, and a search began right away to find
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Speaker 7: a sixty six year old man on foot walking in
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Speaker 7: the area where she suggested he went, they'd have found him.
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Speaker 7: They would have found him right away. Can't get that
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Speaker 7: far away in an hour in that terrain. Just saying
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Speaker 7: this is manu a two point two billion dollars in
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Speaker 7: government funding that he was in charge of and hand
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Speaker 7: it out for research into alternative propulsion that NASA and
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Speaker 7: other organizations in our government have been working on.
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Speaker 6: He's one of those people. Again.
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Speaker 7: Retired US Air Force General Neil McCasland. But check this
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Speaker 7: out TAUS New Mexico coming into play, we have Anthony Chavez. Now,
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Speaker 7: Anthony Chavez worked at Los Alamos and it is said
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Speaker 7: that he.
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Speaker 6: Anthony Chavez was a retired HVAC guy.
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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, if you've got problems with your heating
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Speaker 7: and air conditioning and your central heating air he'd be
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Speaker 7: the guy to call, right, But he has ties to
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Speaker 7: Los Alamos, and I'm want to make sure I get
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Speaker 7: this right. He was working on a research project with
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Speaker 7: quantum physics with an unnamed scientist. An HVAC guy working
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Speaker 7: on a quantum physics research project with another scientist, and
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Speaker 7: by the way, he just goes missing. He was trying
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Speaker 7: to sell his sisters home that he had inherited, and
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Speaker 7: he was going to sell the home and use it
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Speaker 7: for his sister's living and he did have a real
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Speaker 7: estate agent that was really pushing him hard to sell
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Speaker 7: it for below market value, for below what it was
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Speaker 7: listed for. But other than that, Anthony Chavez, a retired
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Speaker 7: HVAC guy working on a quantum physics project with another scientist, disappeared.
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Speaker 7: Now we have covered Melissa Cassias, and that's why I
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Speaker 7: mentioned Taus. A minute ago, Melissa Cassia's body was found, well,
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Speaker 7: her remains, her skeletal remains are found remembered leaning up
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Speaker 7: against a tree gunn nearby. Yeah, there's a lot wrong
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Speaker 7: with this story. The story was that Melissa Cassius had
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Speaker 7: gone to drop her husband off at work, she forgot
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Speaker 7: her key card, had to go back home to get it.
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Speaker 7: She took her daughter a subway sandwich for lunch, and
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Speaker 7: that Melissa decided to just work from home. But then
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Speaker 7: she was later after she disappeared, leaving behind her phones
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Speaker 7: and keys by Her phones were left behind and they'd
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Speaker 7: been reset to factory and then she just vanishes right
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Speaker 7: in the thin air. There was a picture of walking
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Speaker 7: down a highway. But that was pretty much it with
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Speaker 7: Melissica Seas. But you know what, here's the time now
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Speaker 7: I mentioned Anthony Chavez retired HVAC guide doing quantum physics
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Speaker 7: work with another scientist. Well, Anthony Chavez is that former
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Speaker 7: employee of Los Alamos in Latin National Laboratory until his
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Speaker 7: retirement in twenty seventeen. He vanishes seven weeks, seven weeks
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Speaker 7: before a key assistant.
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Speaker 6: Ad that same lab vanished.
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Speaker 7: Who was that key card holder, Melissa is Seas So
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Speaker 7: we got Neil mccaslan, Anthony Chavez, Melissa is Seas all gone.
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Speaker 7: We did find skeletal remains of Melissica se Us leaning
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Speaker 7: against a tree. But Nancy, there's just three of the
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Speaker 7: latest that we're looking at. With the missing and dead scientists.
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Speaker 1: How does a young scientist, without telling family or friends,
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Speaker 1: decide he's going on a trip, get into his tesla
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Speaker 1: without his wallet or iPhone like so many of the
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Speaker 1: other missing or dead scientists, leaving home on foot, leaving
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Speaker 1: behind all id wallets, cell phones, tracking devices, any sort
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Speaker 1: of identification that links them to the military or to
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Speaker 1: their research. This young scientist, Joshua le Blank leaves home
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Speaker 1: and suddenly crashes into a guardrail and both he and
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Speaker 1: his vehicle are totally incinerated. Stephanie Herlow joining us co
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Speaker 1: host Crime Weekly podcast. Stephanie, thank you for being with
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Speaker 1: us tonight. What happened to Joshua Leblank? First of all,
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Speaker 1: tell me about him? What was he studying? Let me
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Speaker 1: guess anti gravity, jet propulsion?
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Speaker 8: What yes, jet propulsion? He lived and worked in Huntsville, Alabama,
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Speaker 8: which is kind of the epicenter of a lot of
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Speaker 8: these missing people, including doctor Ning Lee who was missing
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Speaker 8: for a while but ended up being killed, and also
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Speaker 8: Amy Eskridge. The University of Huntsville is very very focused
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Speaker 8: on NASA jet propulsion anti gravity research. That the epicenter
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Speaker 8: of where all that stuff is happening. But he did
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Speaker 8: work with some pretty high security clearance.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to doctor Kendall Crowns, joining US chief Medical
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Speaker 1: Examiner at Terrance County, that's Fort Worth, Texas. Doctor Crowns,
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Speaker 1: why three days to identify his body? I mean they
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Speaker 1: knew it was his tesla number one, the family reported
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Speaker 1: him missing. Why did it take three days to figure
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Speaker 1: out it's him?
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Speaker 9: Well, actually three days is a little surprising to me
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Speaker 9: because I would think it would take even longer if
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Speaker 9: a body's burned beyond recognition, meaning that the facial skin
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Speaker 9: has been burned away all the way to the bone.
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Speaker 9: You have to do techniques to figure out who they are,
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Speaker 9: and one of them is dental records, so they have
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Speaker 9: a presumptive ID. They kind of know who he is.
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Speaker 9: They get his dental records and do a comparison. Three
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Speaker 9: days is to me an actually quick turnaround time.
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Speaker 1: Okay, doctor Kendall Crowns, I know, I'm waiting into dangerous
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Speaker 1: territory here arguing with the chief medical examiner in the
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Speaker 1: metropolitan area. But how hard is it to get dental records?
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Speaker 1: The family says, that's his car, he's missing dental records.
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Speaker 1: That should take a couple of hours.
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Speaker 9: Well it isn't a couple hours. You have to call
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Speaker 9: the dentists, they have to get the records, they have
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Speaker 9: to bring them to the medical examiner's office. So you're
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Speaker 9: looking at least a day or two.
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Speaker 1: WHOA, You do know about email, right, You don't have
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Speaker 1: to get in your on your horse and buggy and
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Speaker 1: go over to the medical examiners. You hit one button
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Speaker 1: and send it. Okay, so that takes five minutes. But
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Speaker 1: what you're saying regarding bringing in a dent a forensic
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Speaker 1: dental specialist, that suddenly makes sense to me. Out to
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Speaker 1: special guests joining us Frank Milburn, former British intelligence officer
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Speaker 1: who knew another dead scientist very well, Amy Eskridge, who said,
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Speaker 1: point blank, if I am found dead, I did not
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Speaker 1: and would never commit suicide. Frank, I'd like you to
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Speaker 1: listen to her voice, to her tapes that you have
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Speaker 1: provided to us.
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Speaker 2: Listen, we discovered what was up when we got back,
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Speaker 2: and the car battery was drained, the peppersary was emptied.
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Speaker 10: Right.
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Speaker 2: They just had a colonel walk out of the airport
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Speaker 2: behind me. He didn't have any luggage. I don't think
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Speaker 2: he even blew that day.
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Speaker 10: Right.
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Speaker 2: My car failed to start, and then he offered to
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Speaker 2: jump it for me. Right, So the colonel jumped in
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Speaker 2: a car and then I went along my Merry Way,
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Speaker 2: totally traumatized, but also totally okay. Right, I have not
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Speaker 2: traveled by air and I also have not left the
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Speaker 2: city by car either ever since then.
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Speaker 1: From our friends at Daily Mail to Frank Milbourne, what
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Speaker 1: is she talking about?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, she was talking about an incident that happened when
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Speaker 4: she came back from out of town. When she came
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Speaker 4: back to her airport near Huntsville. And this is something
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Speaker 4: that was referring for her. She would go out of town,
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Speaker 4: fly out, she'd come back, her vehicle had been tampered with.
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Speaker 4: Even when she didn't fly, her vehicle would be tampered.
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Speaker 4: So her vehicle would be in an airport car parking
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Speaker 4: lot where presu with there's cameras and there surveyor people
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Speaker 4: moving in and out. So you'd have presumably you'd have
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Speaker 4: some record of it. But her car was being tampered with,
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Speaker 4: the whether it was products inside the car, items inside
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Speaker 4: the car, or sometimes a door would just be left
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Speaker 4: open a jar so that the battery would run down,
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Speaker 4: so that when she came back she had she had
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Speaker 4: a problem. But this was recurring, and it happened not
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Speaker 4: only to her at airports, but also at other locations
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Speaker 4: and also including at home. And there's a video where
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Speaker 4: she's very worried she found footsteps outside her house. There's
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Speaker 4: another one where she's talking about her car being her
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Speaker 4: mother's car be being battery drank.
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Speaker 1: Also allegations that her home computer had been hacked. Listen.
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Speaker 11: So I maybe just sent a message to Tim on
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Speaker 11: LinkedIn and informed him that if I see one more
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Speaker 11: illegally leaked document of photos that were taken from my
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Speaker 11: laptop bag from my home by your business partner, I'm
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Speaker 11: going to call the FBI. You've been informed that your
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Speaker 11: partner has committed interstate felonies because he took pictures in Alabama,
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Speaker 11: he transported them across state lines to New Jersey, and
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Speaker 11: he posted them online from New Jersey. That's an interstate
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Speaker 11: villiny considering the India, It's an act of corporate espionage
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Speaker 11: because he founded a competing company right after that. It's
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Speaker 11: an act of international espionage.
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Speaker 2: Because he has a dual citizens dual citizenship status.
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Speaker 11: It's an act of breach of presidential executive presidential privilege
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Speaker 11: because the document is you know, addressed to Trump on
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Speaker 11: the very first page. And are you aware that your
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Speaker 11: business partner left a very messy, very messy trail of
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Speaker 11: evidence about these multiple villinies. It's extremely extremely easy to
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Speaker 11: prove in court.
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Speaker 1: Frank, what is she talking about? Do you believe her
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Speaker 1: computer had been hacked?
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Speaker 4: That happened to her a lot, and she was regularly,
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Speaker 4: for example, when she's attacked with directed energy weapon, which
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Speaker 4: all documented, she was working on air gap computer precisely
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Speaker 4: because she didn't want to be connected to the internet.
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Speaker 4: Her team and her were constantly having to clean reinstall
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Speaker 4: their phones, their computers precisely because of this hacking. But
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Speaker 4: in that particular case here that the person that she
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Speaker 4: names in the clip that you played previously, he's been
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Speaker 4: gaslighting me and her since before she died. She knew
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Speaker 4: I've got emails going back to you know, sorry, I've
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Speaker 4: got documents going back to twenty twenty one saying that
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Speaker 4: she was being a target of industrial blesphonage by him
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Speaker 4: and his partner. These people have been trying to gaslight
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Speaker 4: her before and after her death and trying to portray
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Speaker 4: her as crazy. Is not competent, but this is what
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Speaker 4: be thoroughly investigated by the FBI. I know these people.
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Speaker 4: They're trying to gaslight me too, so you know, this
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Speaker 4: is actually disgusting behavior. Talking very very badly about a deceased,
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Speaker 4: dead lady. You can't defend herself, but that's why I'm
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Speaker 4: here to defend her.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned being harassed, harassed, and also you mentioned a
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Speaker 1: directed power hit on her body from which she allegedly
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Speaker 1: sustained multiple bruises, and showed them two people this.
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Speaker 4: Wasn't alleged, It's all documented. And I actually showed you know,
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Speaker 4: the images of her to a doctor friend of Miya
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Speaker 4: and she said, yeah, there's are consistent you know, with
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Speaker 4: with with the directed energy microwave weapons. Havana syndrome is
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Speaker 4: mostly acoustic, but these were the directed energy microwave weapons
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Speaker 4: that literally, you know, fry your body, fry your central
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Speaker 4: nervous system, fry your spine give you all kinds of
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Speaker 4: gas and tests.
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Speaker 1: And promise I want you to listen to this.
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Speaker 2: Have been typing on the second offline computer right here,
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Speaker 2: super consensitive for the past several days, with this window
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Speaker 2: right here to my right and that window door right
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Speaker 2: there to my left, and I've been my hands have
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Speaker 2: been murned to helen back as I've been typing, because
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Speaker 2: you can beat me through there and through or through there,
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Speaker 2: and you can get a three D image of what
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Speaker 2: I'm typing. Because this computer doesn't have a Wi Fi card,
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Speaker 2: you can't hack it, but you can maybe get a
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Speaker 2: three D image of me typing. So like we just
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Speaker 2: did that, and did that as an act of as
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Speaker 2: an act of pure desperation, and guess what, I feel
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Speaker 2: better immediately. I feel better immediately. Like my hand's still
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Speaker 2: burn because there's damage. My hand's still burn because there's damage,
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Speaker 2: but but it's like my body relaxed when we barricaded
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Speaker 2: and it was like, oh, like relief, like immediately because
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Speaker 2: they're hit me through the I'm sitting here typing on
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Speaker 2: this thing. Like directed energy weapons are about harming and
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Speaker 2: harassing people, but they're also sometimes surveillance mechanisms where you can.
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Speaker 11: You can't hack the computer.
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Speaker 12: Because there's no Wi Fi card, but you can send
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Speaker 12: microwaves in to get a three D image of me
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Speaker 12: typing on the keyboard, and you can reconstruct what I'm
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Speaker 12: typing microwaving me.
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Speaker 2: Even though you can't hack it.
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Speaker 11: There's no why Badguard.
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Speaker 2: That's the type of Shenanigan's going on right now. That's
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Speaker 2: the reality of like directed energy tools and weapons like
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Speaker 2: that's kind of what's going on.
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Speaker 1: We just showed a photo of Eskridge's red hands. What
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Speaker 1: is that?
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Speaker 4: That was when she was working literally on that project
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Speaker 4: for Homeland security and she was I think about six
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Speaker 4: stories up, but they got hit with a directed energy
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Speaker 4: weapon and she got burnt on her hands, not on
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Speaker 4: her face. I believe it was on her hands. So
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Speaker 4: something directed specifically at her hands. And there's another scientist
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Speaker 4: that actually sent you the videos. There's another scientist with
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Speaker 4: her in the background, and you can hear him say
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Speaker 4: it's a directed energy weapon, a microwave directed energy weapon.
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Speaker 4: So there's two witnesses there, two scientists who are expert
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Speaker 4: witnesses and able to describe exactly what is happening to them.
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Speaker 1: I'm scared.
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Speaker 6: Tired.
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Speaker 2: I'm real tired. I need to disclose soon, man, I
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Speaker 2: need to pull them soon because it's like escalating. It's
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Speaker 2: getting more and more aggressive, like over the past this
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Speaker 2: has been going on for like I don't know, four
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Speaker 2: or five years, and over the past twelve twelve months
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Speaker 2: it has been like escalating, escalating, like more aggressive, more invasive.
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Speaker 1: Much happening out of the New Mexico jurisdiction, New Mexico
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Speaker 1: in California. Listen to these connections and how the people
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Speaker 1: went missing. Monica Jacinto Risa worked at the AFRL Air
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Speaker 1: Force Research Lab. General Mchason oversaw actually ran coming deared
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Speaker 1: the AFRL, including the funding, specifically Resa's project. She got
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Speaker 1: her funding from AFRL and she was specializing in jet propulsion.
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Speaker 1: She is on a hike in the La National Forest.
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Speaker 1: She's with a friend, a female friend, who's just ahead
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Speaker 1: of her. The friend looks back, she waves and smiles.
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Speaker 1: A few minutes later, she looks back. Monica's gone gone.
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Speaker 1: An intense digital search and more was conducted nothing in
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Speaker 1: the space of ten minutes. She's gone. You know, let
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Speaker 1: me go to you, Lauren Colin, you have done a
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Speaker 1: really deep dive on Monica Jasin Theresa and your article
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Speaker 1: in La magazine was eye opening, and I'm sure that
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Speaker 1: took you hundreds and hundreds of hours of research to
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Speaker 1: put that one article together. Remind us about how Monica
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Speaker 1: just disappears off a trail.
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Speaker 13: Of course, Monica's disappearance is very chilling because she was
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Speaker 13: with two people from her yoga group and reportedly she
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Speaker 13: was descending from a mountain with her her male companion,
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Speaker 13: only she was behind him about thirty feet. They were
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Speaker 13: both running again, this is a steep terrain. No one
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Speaker 13: can understand why they were running. The male companion turned around,
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Speaker 13: he waved to her.
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Speaker 3: A minute later, she.
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Speaker 13: Was gone, vanished into thin air, and that red beanie
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Speaker 13: was found on a more dangerous path leading off of
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Speaker 13: the mountain. This is Mount Waterman, and her scent stopped
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Speaker 13: at that beanie. Nancy very strange. I have spoken to
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Speaker 13: close family members who are desperate to find their you know,
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Speaker 13: their sister, their mother, their cousin. Monica is a widow.
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Speaker 13: They wanted everyone to know that she was not working
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Speaker 13: for any type of foreign government, any foreign intelligence. She
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Speaker 13: was studying yoga with a specialty in vedic sciences, and
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Speaker 13: she had done this for about thirty years, and she
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Speaker 13: was working for NASA JPL at the time. One last
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Speaker 13: thing I want to say about Monica Nancy is the
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Speaker 13: fact that she had an iPhone eight, which meant that
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Speaker 13: her cell phone was not going to ping anywhere unless
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Speaker 13: she was at a proper place in the mountain for
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Speaker 13: it to work. If she would have had an iPhone twelve,
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Speaker 13: it could have pinged. But this is one of the
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Speaker 13: most baffling things ever. Again because she was with two people,
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Speaker 13: two companions, and they both seemed to have a very
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Speaker 13: specific story. And as far as I know, Nancy, no
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Speaker 13: one else can put Monica on the mountain that day
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Speaker 13: except for these two people.
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Speaker 1: Lauren Colin. Isn't it true that Monica Hyacintha Reisa got
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Speaker 1: her funding from a FRL Air Force research lab and
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Speaker 1: she worked closely with and her funding was approved by
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Speaker 1: William Neil McCasland, who walked away from his home with
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Speaker 1: none of his ID, without his phone, without anything on
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Speaker 1: him to identify who he was except an Air Force
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Speaker 1: sweatshirt which was found discarded about two miles away. McCaslin
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Speaker 1: oversaw Monica jusin Theresa's projects and okay, the funding for her,
22:09
Speaker 1: isn't that true?
22:11
Speaker 13: They did overlap, and I you know, I've reached out
22:14
Speaker 13: to these places like right Patterson, the Air Force Research Lab,
22:18
Speaker 13: and I think I mentioned this to you. It's very
22:19
Speaker 13: difficult to get confirmation of what people did exactly and
22:25
Speaker 13: and the years that they worked there.
22:26
Speaker 8: You know.
22:27
Speaker 13: So I'm going off of LinkedIn for these two in general.
22:30
Speaker 13: But yes, Monica Resa, you know she copatented these high
22:34
Speaker 13: strength metal alloys, burn resistant alloys, and General McCaslin was
22:38
Speaker 13: at the very top. So this to me like they
22:43
Speaker 13: are the center of all of this.
22:46
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to talk to you first. I want
22:49
Speaker 1: to play you trying to get answers out of DC
22:53
Speaker 1: that chance, listen to this.
22:54
Speaker 13: Everybody nothing Red Bertett, nothing on the missing scientist, General McCaslin.
23:00
Speaker 3: Sh Maybia you figured it out.
23:01
Speaker 6: Of course there's something going on.
23:03
Speaker 3: Yes, fourteen rabbis fourteen prayfer fourteen US car salesman disappeared.
23:08
Speaker 6: You'd be asking.
23:09
Speaker 14: Less you.
23:12
Speaker 1: What was that about the rabbi, the preacher and the
23:15
Speaker 1: used cars.
23:16
Speaker 6: You know what.
23:17
Speaker 1: I don't want to knock around in his head, no offense.
23:19
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the facts as we know.
23:21
Speaker 1: Then Can we talk about McCaslin, By the way, that's
23:24
Speaker 1: from Lauren Colin for on TikTok and here she is
23:28
Speaker 1: in the flesh. Can we talk about McCasland, because he
23:32
Speaker 1: kicked the whole thing off. I mean, his credentials are incredible.
23:39
Speaker 1: First of all, who is McCasland, Lauren.
23:43
Speaker 13: Well, he is pretty much more credentialed, I would say
23:47
Speaker 13: than any president we've had in about two decades. But
23:50
Speaker 13: he oversaw eighty percent of the Pentagon's Black Ops project.
23:55
Speaker 13: He was a retired Air Force general. He was stationed
23:59
Speaker 13: at Right Patters obviously the Air Force Research Lab, and Nancy.
24:03
Speaker 13: I had a very successful Boyer request fulfilled last week
24:08
Speaker 13: where I was given by the Bernalio Sheriff's office the
24:14
Speaker 13: last known photo of General McCaslin the day before he
24:18
Speaker 13: went missing. And I was in shock because I am thinking,
24:22
Speaker 13: why am I the one putting this out? Why didn't
24:26
Speaker 13: law enforcement or the FBI put this out? And not
24:29
Speaker 13: only that in the police report. In one of the
24:31
Speaker 13: police reports anyway, they indicate that the FBI did in
24:36
Speaker 13: fact join the investigation on March third, So I've reached
24:39
Speaker 13: out to them as well. But I will say. Parsing
24:42
Speaker 13: through this and going through all of the bodycam footage,
24:46
Speaker 13: all of the interviews, you learn a lot about General
24:49
Speaker 13: mccaslin's last few months and it is very heartbreaking. There
24:52
Speaker 13: are certain things that don't add up. But also I
24:55
Speaker 13: do want to point out that friends said that starting
24:58
Speaker 13: in January he was himself. He was actually in the
25:01
Speaker 13: process of looking for a doctor to diagnose whatever he
25:06
Speaker 13: thought that he had listen to this.
25:08
Speaker 2: Has he been diagnosed with any mental photos or anything
25:12
Speaker 2: like that.
25:13
Speaker 10: Well, we've been seeing the doc for both physical and
25:19
Speaker 10: mental in terms of anxiety, short term memory loss, lack
25:24
Speaker 10: of sleep. The same doc I went to see today
25:28
Speaker 10: very very active physically and has always had a very
25:35
Speaker 10: sharp mind.
25:37
Speaker 5: Retired Major General from.
25:39
Speaker 10: PhD from MiB Well, and he's been feeling brainfaught today.
25:47
Speaker 10: He had taken a drug that the doctor prescribed last
25:52
Speaker 10: night that was supposed to have his sleep with weight gain.
25:57
Speaker 10: He's lost about twenty pounds for no reason and with anxiety.
26:03
Speaker 8: I was shocked this morning when I saw the alert
26:05
Speaker 8: because what I noticed Thursday evening is he wasn't his
26:09
Speaker 8: usual self. He was kind of spacey and quiet.
26:12
Speaker 1: From our friends at daily mail to Dave mac Crime
26:16
Speaker 1: Stories investigative reporter who has been on the missing scientists
26:20
Speaker 1: and lab workers from the beginning that McCaslin had multiple
26:25
Speaker 1: senior Pentagon roles. He oversaw nuclear research at Los Alamo's
26:33
Speaker 1: National Lab who just walked away with no identification on
26:37
Speaker 1: him to me, had connections to so many of the others, Dave.
26:42
Speaker 7: Mac wine Lynch pen for the money attached to all
26:47
Speaker 7: the research. Nancy, you got to remember McCaslin was the
26:52
Speaker 7: Air Force Research Laboratory head at Right Patterson Air Force
26:56
Speaker 7: Base in Ohio. This is a position that he stayed
27:00
Speaker 7: until he retired, and he was dealing with billions, not millions,
27:04
Speaker 7: but billions of dollars in advanced material sciences and future
27:08
Speaker 7: weapons research across the nation and all of our centers
27:13
Speaker 7: that we were investigating. So all the research that was
27:16
Speaker 7: being done, all the funding that came for that research
27:20
Speaker 7: went through mccaslin's hands. That's why he was aware of
27:24
Speaker 7: everybody that was moving around. And he's there in Albuquerque,
27:28
Speaker 7: New Mexico, which is where Kirtland Air Force Base is.
27:31
Speaker 7: That's where he retired after leaving Right Patterson and Ohio. Well,
27:36
Speaker 7: what do we know about these areas. They are huge
27:39
Speaker 7: in the UFO research that has been done, and McCaslin
27:44
Speaker 7: is connected to all of these things.
27:50
Speaker 1: Joining us tonight and All Star panwell. But first I
27:52
Speaker 1: want to go to John Nance, former supervisory special Agent
27:57
Speaker 1: with the FBI assigned to the Miami and DC field
28:01
Speaker 1: offs is over twenty years. Mister Nance, thank you for
28:06
Speaker 1: being with us tonight. I know you're not a medical examiner,
28:09
Speaker 1: but I'm very fatigued with claims that all of these
28:16
Speaker 1: top security clearance scientists and lab workers all just walk
28:21
Speaker 1: out of their home with no ID, no cell phone.
28:26
Speaker 1: Melissa Casius's cell phone had been factory wiped when her
28:31
Speaker 1: daughter found her cell phone, that they all just walk
28:34
Speaker 1: out and suddenly have an urge to commit suicide. Melissa
28:40
Speaker 1: Cassius gun found near her body. She was completely skeletonized
28:46
Speaker 1: by the time her body has been found. Family says
28:48
Speaker 1: she was not acting unusually in any way. The family says,
28:52
Speaker 1: that's not her gun, that's not our gun. Where did
28:55
Speaker 1: that gun come from? And most disturbing, mister Nance, there's
29:02
Speaker 1: no bullet at that scene anyway. It really doesn't take
29:07
Speaker 1: a rocket scientist part of my pun to figure out
29:10
Speaker 1: something is way off with this story.
29:15
Speaker 15: Yeah, none of this makes any sense, the theories surrounding,
29:19
Speaker 15: you know, while these people are committing suicide, it just doesn't.
29:24
Speaker 15: It just doesn't hold investigative water. There are a lot
29:27
Speaker 15: of unanswered questions, especially in Cassis's case. In fact, her
29:34
Speaker 15: husband said that part of her story was that she
29:37
Speaker 15: was going to return home to get her ID badge,
29:41
Speaker 15: when in fact he saw her with the ID badge
29:44
Speaker 15: in the vehicle, So that makes no sense. And of course,
29:47
Speaker 15: as you've already mentioned, the cell phones, the smartphones being
29:52
Speaker 15: reset to factory settings, all these things indicate that she
29:59
Speaker 15: didn't necessarily intend to take her life, but that she
30:03
Speaker 15: could have been in fear for her safety in some
30:06
Speaker 15: form or fashion and maybe was attempting to escape. I mean,
30:10
Speaker 15: that's that's a possibility.
30:12
Speaker 1: I want to see the last known image of Melissa Cassillas.
30:18
Speaker 1: There she is, Hey, where are all those things she's
30:20
Speaker 1: got to backpack with her?
30:23
Speaker 10: What?
30:24
Speaker 1: Where is all that? Because we haven't heard word one
30:27
Speaker 1: about any of that being found by or around her body.
30:32
Speaker 1: And also no animal activity. She's been missing a long
30:36
Speaker 1: time and her body, her skeleton is sitting up undisturbed,
30:41
Speaker 1: pristine leaning against a tree. That defies everything I know
30:48
Speaker 1: about a crime scene where a body is found skeletonized.
30:52
Speaker 1: It would have fallen apart. By now, Lauren Conlin, what
30:56
Speaker 1: more can you tell us about the discovery of Causius's body?
31:03
Speaker 1: What do you know?
31:05
Speaker 13: Well, I've been in touch with the new Mexico State
31:07
Speaker 13: Police and they have been very responsive to me. It
31:11
Speaker 13: is the PIO, the Press Information officer, and she has
31:14
Speaker 13: indicated she is going back and forth with investigators to
31:18
Speaker 13: see if they can disclose what they have. Because I
31:21
Speaker 13: submitted a Foyer request for the autopsy report and I
31:24
Speaker 13: was denied actually two days ago, and not because you
31:28
Speaker 13: know they couldn't give it to me or wouldn't give
31:31
Speaker 13: it to me, It's because they don't have it completed yet, Nancy.
31:35
Speaker 13: So I, like you, I am waiting for the facts.
31:38
Speaker 13: All we know officially right now is that there was
31:41
Speaker 13: not an initial projectile in this skull, as you mentioned.
31:46
Speaker 13: And this photo of Melissa and her daughter, it breaks
31:49
Speaker 13: my heart, Nancy. All of everything you've said, the fact
31:53
Speaker 13: that Melissa took medication with her, her toothbrush with her,
31:57
Speaker 13: that really tells me that she wasn't planning on taking
32:00
Speaker 13: her own life. So I I just want answers. I
32:03
Speaker 13: I feel for her family to this.
32:06
Speaker 3: We cannot vcate my wife. We haven't heard from her
32:10
Speaker 3: all day from work with this oil. Was the last
32:13
Speaker 3: time I saw work. She my daughter saw her around
32:16
Speaker 3: one o'clock. All her stuff was here in the house.
32:20
Speaker 3: But she's not here. And it's just not like her
32:21
Speaker 3: to not call to check in and and take her
32:24
Speaker 3: purse and her phone. And it looks like her phone
32:27
Speaker 3: has been my goters. It looks like it's been reset.
32:31
Speaker 3: But there, you know. So we left all around the house,
32:34
Speaker 3: everywhere on our property. We cannot find her or nothing,
32:37
Speaker 3: and uh, I don't know what to do. The carl
32:39
Speaker 3: who was in a purcha at the house. The keys
32:41
Speaker 3: are here, The house.
32:42
Speaker 7: Was long.
32:44
Speaker 3: Very everything was was here, you know what I mean.
32:49
Speaker 3: So she she went from the father, she came home.
32:51
Speaker 3: Well car was here parked in the yard. The keys
32:53
Speaker 3: are on the kitchen cable.
32:55
Speaker 10: What's her name?
32:57
Speaker 3: I'm alystics And we called the hospital sy because I mean,
33:02
Speaker 3: you know, no one, there's no one in there, uh,
33:06
Speaker 3: you know at all like that, because we thought, well
33:08
Speaker 3: maybe if something happened to her her personal everything, curious
33:12
Speaker 3: of no one will be able to identify her. And
33:14
Speaker 3: as you said, she took with her phone, she didn't
33:17
Speaker 3: take nothing seeing her phone and everything's here, and she
33:20
Speaker 3: always takes her stuff with her. My daughter was trying
33:23
Speaker 3: to attract her location and they always track each other,
33:27
Speaker 3: but her. But her phone's wipe. The thing is what
33:29
Speaker 3: we get. And she would never have wiped all the
33:32
Speaker 3: pictures off and all the information off of her.
33:34
Speaker 6: Pope that is.
33:35
Speaker 1: Moliska se is his husband's nine on one call that
33:38
Speaker 1: we have just obtained. Joining me now. Glenn Anne Johnson
33:44
Speaker 1: Glen Anne is a former weapons engineer. Let that sink
33:48
Speaker 1: in just for a moment. At the US Department of Defense.
33:52
Speaker 1: She worked in Huntsville. Why do we keep hearing Huntsville?
33:58
Speaker 1: That is where a NASA installation exists, and there is
34:02
Speaker 1: also a very you know to us lay people mysterious
34:07
Speaker 1: lab there as well. She worked at Kirkland Air Force
34:11
Speaker 1: Base and in Mexico where Mchason worked. She worked at the
34:15
Speaker 1: Naval Service War Center. She has worked on multiple high
34:19
Speaker 1: tech military weapons, including dee W lasers nukes for the
34:25
Speaker 1: Navy and Air Force. Glenn Anne, are you tired of
34:30
Speaker 1: hearing about highly highly influential US scientists and lab workers
34:39
Speaker 1: just walking away and committing suicide like it is said
34:43
Speaker 1: Amy Eskridge did after she told Milburn, if I end
34:48
Speaker 1: up dead, I did not commit suicide.
34:51
Speaker 8: Know that.
34:53
Speaker 1: Now, Cassius.
34:56
Speaker 16: So I don't believe any of them committed suicide, and
34:59
Speaker 16: I I think we're actually I think the reason that
35:02
Speaker 16: the reporter got crickets in DC is because there's a
35:05
Speaker 16: full investigation ongoing where I think we're kind of at
35:10
Speaker 16: an old fashioned Moscow rules, and in the old days
35:15
Speaker 16: it was an unwritten rule that if you kill one
35:18
Speaker 16: of our people, we kill one of yours, you know,
35:21
Speaker 16: United States in Russia. I think this is ongoing with
35:25
Speaker 16: scientists right now. I think they're being maybe kidnapped and
35:29
Speaker 16: then interrogated and then murdered. And I think they're making
35:34
Speaker 16: some of them look like suicide so that it's more
35:37
Speaker 16: deniable and it won't have a full investigation. But there's
35:40
Speaker 16: so many of them at this point that it's occurred
35:43
Speaker 16: to that it doesn't make any sense.
35:46
Speaker 1: Do you believe that Melissica see US's injuries could have
35:51
Speaker 1: been caused see I'm going with a good old fashioned
35:54
Speaker 1: bullet or blunt object, because I understand that. But with
35:58
Speaker 1: your knowledge, Glenn Ann, do you believe she could have
36:02
Speaker 1: succumbed to a dew directed energy weapon.
36:07
Speaker 16: It's possible. I think she was probably. I think she
36:11
Speaker 16: was hit with directed energy weapons to get her to
36:13
Speaker 16: leave her family to protect them. And I think that
36:17
Speaker 16: she was probably interrogated, which may have involved some kinetic
36:21
Speaker 16: attacks to her skull and what have you. But I
36:24
Speaker 16: think that she was lured away from her home by
36:27
Speaker 16: the directed energy weapons.
36:29
Speaker 1: Many people believe that several of the seventeen missing or
36:34
Speaker 1: dead are connected to McCaslin also missing. Let me understand,
36:40
Speaker 1: Lauren Conlin, the connection between Melissa Cassius, an administrator at
36:47
Speaker 1: la n L Los Alamo's Nuclear Lab, and afr L.
36:52
Speaker 1: That's the Air Force Research Lab. That's Melissa, okay, who
36:57
Speaker 1: took with her two very odd items that torpede the
37:01
Speaker 1: working theory as to how she died. Now both Cassius
37:05
Speaker 1: and Chavez, we're at AFRL Air Force Research Lab. Okay,
37:12
Speaker 1: Now wait for it. McCaslin, General will William Neil McCaslin
37:17
Speaker 1: oversaw the funding, all the funding at AFRL. He also
37:24
Speaker 1: oversaw Monica Jacinto USA, who also disappeared, also Stephen Garcia
37:32
Speaker 1: built parts for nuclear weapons connected to AFRL Air Force
37:37
Speaker 1: Research Lab. That's how they're all connected. And the connections,
37:42
Speaker 1: they're like tentacles that go to all of these missing
37:46
Speaker 1: and dead scientists. Now they want me to believe that
37:50
Speaker 1: Melissa Cassius shot herself. What like Amy Eskridge. Let me
37:55
Speaker 1: see that picture one more time of her walking along
37:57
Speaker 1: the bridge. This is the last known photo of Melissa Cassias,
38:03
Speaker 1: the last, the final image of her alive. It's from
38:06
Speaker 1: a surveillance camera in You're State Road five one eight
38:08
Speaker 1: in New Mexico. This is three miles from her home.
38:13
Speaker 1: That's something to ponder as well. Typically in self inflicted
38:18
Speaker 1: mortal wounds, the person doesn't go for a hike. First tonight,
38:27
Speaker 1: what happened to scientist Aiden Schaeffer? As yet another scientist
38:34
Speaker 1: has been looped into this last name will Cox straight
38:38
Speaker 1: out to special Guests joining us Georgia Bradburn joining us
38:42
Speaker 1: from the UK, host of Liminality, who has broken the
38:47
Speaker 1: latest on a deceased scientist, Aiden Schaeffer. You can find
38:52
Speaker 1: her on YouTube Interliminality. Georgia, thank you for being with us.
38:56
Speaker 1: Aiden Schaeffer. What did he study?
39:01
Speaker 14: So Aidan was looking into alternative propulsion. He was involved
39:06
Speaker 14: in space ports in college. He was studying multiple aspects
39:12
Speaker 14: of ways to get humans into space, and he is
39:16
Speaker 14: believed to have been working on anti gravity towards the
39:19
Speaker 14: end of his life. Unfortunately, but what he was doing
39:23
Speaker 14: towards the end, unfortunately, we do not know. It's unclear
39:27
Speaker 14: what it was he was working on.
39:29
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just curious when you say propulsion, Georgia,
39:34
Speaker 1: are you referring to jet propulsion.
39:38
Speaker 14: I believe it was field effect propulsion that Aidan was
39:40
Speaker 14: looking into. He wanted to find any sort of alternative
39:44
Speaker 14: that would get humans into space. He was aiming to
39:48
Speaker 14: do that by some sort of clean energy alternative. From
39:51
Speaker 14: what I can gather, he was very much involved in
39:54
Speaker 14: an alternative to jet engines. He wanted us to get there,
39:59
Speaker 14: and he was in in space elevators as well. He
40:02
Speaker 14: was doing that for five years. So his research and
40:05
Speaker 14: development was all got geared towards humans in space and
40:09
Speaker 14: looking for alternative ways to get us.
40:11
Speaker 1: Aiden Schaefer born raised New Mexico, New Mexico, popping up
40:16
Speaker 1: again fascinated with science space technology in a field known
40:21
Speaker 1: as field effect propulsion, listen. That's him, that's Aiden Schaeffer's
41:00
Speaker 1: speaking about his fear based on certain incidents that had
41:05
Speaker 1: occurred that his phone was, for lack of a better word, tapped.
41:10
Speaker 1: That is from vlog of the Dead. It's on YouTube.
41:13
Speaker 1: And now I want you to hear something that Chris
41:17
Speaker 1: Schwecker told us, so it.
41:20
Speaker 17: Would not be out of the realm of possibility that
41:23
Speaker 17: China or Russia or some other hostile foreign intelligence service
41:27
Speaker 17: would kidnap one of our scientists and try to extract
41:30
Speaker 17: information out of them or turn them into a double agent.
41:34
Speaker 17: General public tends to be a little bit unaware of
41:38
Speaker 17: the prolific efforts to steal our sensitive technologies from A
41:44
Speaker 17: to Z. Thereafter it day in and day out, and
41:47
Speaker 17: thereafter the people that are working on it. It's a comprehensive,
41:50
Speaker 17: ongoing effort on the part of hostile foreign intelligence services
41:54
Speaker 17: to steal our technology. I think we're going to see
41:56
Speaker 17: this list grow and it's going to play out in
41:58
Speaker 17: the public eye because of great interest to the public.
42:02
Speaker 1: That is our guest tonight, our friend Chris Swecker, Forming
42:06
Speaker 1: FI Assistant director speaking to Fox Nation. But let's hear
42:10
Speaker 1: it from the horse's mouth. You know, Chris, so often
42:13
Speaker 1: when we hear someone say I think somebody's listening on
42:18
Speaker 1: my phone, you immediately think they're crazy. Right, this guy,
42:24
Speaker 1: Aiden Schaeffer, we just saw him speaking. He's not crazy.
42:29
Speaker 1: He thought someone was listening to his phone or gathering
42:33
Speaker 1: information from his phone. And at your level at the FBI,
42:39
Speaker 1: that is not uncommon.
42:41
Speaker 18: You can't overstate how aggressive and proactive, especially China is
42:48
Speaker 18: in trying to gather up and steal our technology. And
42:51
Speaker 18: it isn't just technology in the hands of our defense establishment,
42:56
Speaker 18: if you will, it's any technology that's helpful to them
42:59
Speaker 18: that will help them compete, you know, in the world marketplace,
43:02
Speaker 18: in in you know, in military, in you know, research
43:06
Speaker 18: and development, because they don't do their own research and development.
43:08
Speaker 18: They reverse engineer every just about everything. They don't have
43:12
Speaker 18: the you know, the initiatives and the freedom that we
43:15
Speaker 18: have here to do that, you know, research and technology.
43:18
Speaker 18: So there after it every day he sounded, you know,
43:20
Speaker 18: I agree with you. You sound a little paranoid. But
43:24
Speaker 18: just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to
43:26
Speaker 18: get you. And in this case that may well have
43:29
Speaker 18: been true, because China, especially Russia's at it too, but
43:32
Speaker 18: they're a little more clumsy and they're easier to detect.
43:35
Speaker 18: China is at it all day, every day through cyber means,
43:39
Speaker 18: trying to compromise. Scientists go to trade shows, introduce born
43:45
Speaker 18: exchange students. They're at it all the time. And you
43:49
Speaker 18: know it wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me at all. And
43:53
Speaker 18: this is an alternative theory that one or more of
43:56
Speaker 18: these scientists had been turned. And now you're in. You're
43:59
Speaker 18: in it and you can never get out of it.
44:01
Speaker 18: The only way you can get out of it is
44:03
Speaker 18: to take your own life.
44:05
Speaker 1: Chris, I want you and everyone else on our guest
44:11
Speaker 1: Pedel tonight. I've been watching the videos of Aiden Schaeffer
44:16
Speaker 1: over and over and over. I'm just a lay person
44:21
Speaker 1: to detect what I can. I've looked at every word.
44:24
Speaker 1: I just want you to see and hear him speaking. Listen.
45:05
Speaker 1: I just wanted you to see that. And there's so
45:07
Speaker 1: much more that's from the vlog of the dead that
45:10
Speaker 1: is Aiden Shaef for speaking, and there's a lot of
45:14
Speaker 1: it and he's not just based on that, but everything
45:18
Speaker 1: I've learned. He's brilliant. Joining me now is lou Elisondo
45:23
Speaker 1: former US Army counter intelligence special agent, former employee Office
45:28
Speaker 1: Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, former director of Advance Aerospace
45:33
Speaker 1: Threat Identification Program, and UFO whistleblower. Wow. Uh, mister Alizondo,
45:42
Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us tonight.
45:44
Speaker 1: Also very curious about Matthew Sullivan aka Quake. Is it
45:52
Speaker 1: true or do you know whether an autopsy was ever
45:58
Speaker 1: ever performed on Sullivan and what was said to be
46:02
Speaker 1: his cause of death?
46:05
Speaker 5: Yeah, So rather than share what I don't know, let
46:07
Speaker 5: me share you with you what I do know. He
46:09
Speaker 5: was an Air Force intelligence officer. He was a colleague
46:13
Speaker 5: of one of my colleagues at the time, Dave Groosch.
46:15
Speaker 5: Dave Grush and I had worked at US Space Force together,
46:18
Speaker 5: and Sullivan wanted to come forward and have a conversation
46:23
Speaker 5: with certain members of Congress about the Air Force's involvement
46:27
Speaker 5: in the UFO program, and he was slated within I
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Speaker 5: think twenty four hours. He had gone to Washington, d C.
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Speaker 5: And was in a hotel from my understanding, and was
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Speaker 5: going to have a conversation with some members of Congress.
46:38
Speaker 5: Any skiff a skiff is a sensitive compartment and information facility,
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Speaker 5: so it's kind of like a think of a secret
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Speaker 5: vault where you can have conversations at the classified level.
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Speaker 5: And the day before he was supposed to have a conversation,
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Speaker 5: or two days before, he wound up being found dead,
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Speaker 5: I knew. What I do know is that there was
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Speaker 5: a wild for the medical Examiner even released a report.
47:02
Speaker 5: It kept getting delayed and delayed and delayed. I don't
47:05
Speaker 5: know the reason why it was delayed, but I do
47:07
Speaker 5: know that members of Congress were very concerned the fact
47:10
Speaker 5: that this individual was supposed to testify and wound up dead.
47:13
Speaker 5: And by the way, this wasn't the only one. There
47:14
Speaker 5: was another individual whose name I won't mention because it
47:19
Speaker 5: hasn't been made public yet, but he was an individual,
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Speaker 5: an engineer, who was allegedly tied to the exploitation of
47:28
Speaker 5: recovered UFO material. He was he was talking to one
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Speaker 5: of my colleagues, and he was going to go talk
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Speaker 5: to Congress about his knowledge about legacy US government legacy
47:42
Speaker 5: UFO efforts. And within I think a week or so
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Speaker 5: before he was supposed to go to Washington, d C.
47:48
Speaker 5: He wound up dying. And the cause of death I
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Speaker 5: don't know, but one of my colleagues was following it
47:54
Speaker 5: very closely and was concerned enough to tell me, hey, look,
47:58
Speaker 5: you know people are starting to disappear. You may want
48:01
Speaker 5: to be very careful. So there does seem to be
48:04
Speaker 5: a very interesting You can call it a coincidence. But
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Speaker 5: in my line of work as a former intelligence officer,
48:10
Speaker 5: you know, when things happened once, it's an anomaly. When
48:12
Speaker 5: things happened twice, you could chalk it up as a coincidence.
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Speaker 5: But when it happens three times, now you have a trend.
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Speaker 1: That said, I'm going to be remiss if I did
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Speaker 1: not mention physicist, brilliant physicist, doctor Ning Lee. She had
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Speaker 1: been awarded four hundred and fifty thousand dollars from the
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Speaker 1: DoD and she disappeared briefly. Then she was mowed down
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Speaker 1: in a crosswalk. Nobody else went out in the crosswalk,
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Speaker 1: but she was suddenly thrust into the crosswalk. She got
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Speaker 1: mowed down. Her husband immediately had a heart attack and
48:52
Speaker 1: later died. She was brain dad and then later died.
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Speaker 1: To Stephanie joining us COO's Crime Weekly podcast, what can
49:05
Speaker 1: you tell me about her? I know she's Chinese American,
49:09
Speaker 1: and I know that she was brilliant and I know
49:12
Speaker 1: nobody but her ended up in that crosswalk when she
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Speaker 1: got mowed down.
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Speaker 8: Doctor Ningley worked at the University of Alabama in Huntsville
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Speaker 8: and she was doing anti gravity work and research there.
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Speaker 8: She then left the university after a significant amount of
49:30
Speaker 8: time there and she started her own business, and then
49:32
Speaker 8: the government came calling and they gave her that grant
49:34
Speaker 8: to work on continued anti gravity research. Because this is Huntsville,
49:39
Speaker 8: they do that stuff there as well as advanced propulsion research.
49:43
Speaker 8: And then she started working with the government, and at
49:47
Speaker 8: that point she kind of went dark, and there was
49:50
Speaker 8: a big thing online for a while because people thought
49:52
Speaker 8: she disappeared. She was off the map for quite a bit,
49:56
Speaker 8: and there was a journalist who was trying to find
49:58
Speaker 8: her to talk to her about her research, and he
50:00
Speaker 8: couldn't find her, and he reached out to another anti
50:04
Speaker 8: gravity researcher, Eugene Polannach, and Eugene said, oh, she's working
50:10
Speaker 8: for the government. She just can't talk to anybody about
50:13
Speaker 8: what she's doing right now. But Eugene also said, I
50:16
Speaker 8: haven't been able to reach her either. And it was
50:21
Speaker 8: several years later when this same journalist finally tracked down
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Speaker 8: doctor Ningley's son, and the son said she had been
50:29
Speaker 8: a hit. She had been in a terrible car accident
50:31
Speaker 8: which had left her with permanent brain damage. She developed dementia,
50:35
Speaker 8: and then he took care of her for several years
50:38
Speaker 8: until she finally passed away from this. But she was
50:41
Speaker 8: never the same obviously, she never went back to work.
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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting, Stephanie, is that doctor Lee has
50:49
Speaker 1: been compared to Amelia Earhart. She is the Amelia Earhart
50:55
Speaker 1: of physics, the scientists that many people say quote discovered
51:01
Speaker 1: anti gravity. That's the significance of who is doctor ning Lee.
51:10
Speaker 1: She was brilliant. Now I'm hearing that a female space
51:20
Speaker 1: scientist died after a boulder fell on her car. What's
51:25
Speaker 1: the odds of that happening? Straight out to Lauren Conlin,
51:29
Speaker 1: joining US investigative reporter with the Los Angeles LA Magazine,
51:33
Speaker 1: star of Pop Crime TV co host. You can find
51:37
Speaker 1: her at Pop Crime TV. Lauren, why did I have
51:42
Speaker 1: to find that buried amongst all sorts of outlandish theories
51:48
Speaker 1: regarding these missing scientists and dead scientists? Is any of
51:53
Speaker 1: that true? Who is Ingrid Lane? And is it true
51:58
Speaker 1: she has disappeared? But her car's down with a boulder attack.
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Speaker 13: Yes, so, as far as we know, Nancy, she is
52:07
Speaker 13: still alive. She is just missing Ingrid Lane. She was
52:12
Speaker 13: a beautiful musician. She played the violin. But she was
52:15
Speaker 13: also a neuroscientist and a bioengineer affiliated with the Mind
52:20
Speaker 13: Research Network at the University of New Mexico. Now this place,
52:24
Speaker 13: the Mind Research Network, it had ties to Los Alamos
52:28
Speaker 13: and San Dia National Laboratories. So that is where this
52:33
Speaker 13: very very striking connection comes in. The way that Ingrid
52:38
Speaker 13: disappeared is so chilling. Nancy she was actually at a
52:45
Speaker 13: retreat that she was supposed to be on a week
52:47
Speaker 13: long retreat at a place called the Body Manda Zen Center.
52:51
Speaker 13: And according to reports and friends and family, she was
52:54
Speaker 13: very familiar with this place. She had been going there,
52:57
Speaker 13: I guess on and off for about ten years. It
53:00
Speaker 13: was about an hour from where she lived in the
53:02
Speaker 13: Albuquerque area. So she's there for one day. The very
53:06
Speaker 13: next day she tells people that she's going for a drive.
53:10
Speaker 13: She's got to go back to Albuquerque. She's got to
53:12
Speaker 13: go back to Los Alamos. She wants to hike over
53:15
Speaker 13: there and she'll be back later. Now this struck a
53:18
Speaker 13: few people as odd because it's like you're going on
53:22
Speaker 13: a zen retreat, but now you want to drive a
53:24
Speaker 13: bunch of hours even though you're supposed to be meditating.
53:27
Speaker 13: Now here's where it gets a little weird. So she's
53:31
Speaker 13: driving along State Route one point forty four near the
53:34
Speaker 13: San Antonio Mountain and the vayas Calledra National Preserve. She
53:39
Speaker 13: is going up and up and up to the top
53:41
Speaker 13: of this mountain. Now two people find her because she
53:45
Speaker 13: is having car trouble and they ask her, you know,
53:47
Speaker 13: do you need some help, and she says, you know,
53:49
Speaker 13: I'm fine, I will fix my car. They said, she
53:52
Speaker 13: seemed very determined to get to the top of this mountain. So,
53:56
Speaker 13: according to these two people, they walk along and she continues. Now, later,
54:02
Speaker 13: as you mentioned, her car was found after there was
54:05
Speaker 13: an Apple air tag that police tracked when she was
54:08
Speaker 13: reported missing. Now, there was a large boulder that had
54:11
Speaker 13: shattered near the rear hatch window of her Subaru and
54:15
Speaker 13: the front showed reportedly major front and collision damage. We
54:20
Speaker 13: don't really have an explanation about that. But three laptops
54:24
Speaker 13: found inside that car. Nancy, an unactivated burner phone, and
54:28
Speaker 13: her keys were still in the ignition the toll is now.
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Speaker 1: Up to eighteen missing or dead scientists, and I want
54:37
Speaker 1: you to listen to this. You've got Michaslon who just
54:42
Speaker 1: walked away and never seen again, Shaeffer who died in
54:48
Speaker 1: custody on a contested claim. Asinthareisa just seemingly just beamed
54:54
Speaker 1: up out of a heavily wooded area. She's never seen again.
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Speaker 1: Chavez still missing. Cassias now claims she committed suicide, although
55:05
Speaker 1: no cod has been offered. There's no bullet, which means
55:09
Speaker 1: no suicide. Garcia missing, May Wald no cause of death
55:16
Speaker 1: since twenty twenty four. Jason Thomas is found dead in
55:21
Speaker 1: a pond. Michael David Hicks. It was said he died
55:25
Speaker 1: of obesity. Okay, Amy Eskridge, David Wilcock, Joshua le Blank,
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Speaker 1: Matthew Sullivan, Top Clearance, Ning Lee, renowned scientists, walks in
55:43
Speaker 1: front of a car. Ingrid Lane still missing after a
55:49
Speaker 1: boulder attacked her car. But where was her body? Kevin
55:55
Speaker 1: Childress dead on the sofa? Okay, Glenn Anne Johnson, weapons
56:05
Speaker 1: engineer with the US Department of Defense. What do you
56:11
Speaker 1: make of the list I just gave you?
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Speaker 16: Well, it's happening. What happened to them, is happening to
56:18
Speaker 16: a lot of people with top secret clearance that had
56:21
Speaker 16: nothing to do with UFOs and found foreign malicious code
56:25
Speaker 16: and parts in US systems, especially US Air Force systems.
56:31
Speaker 16: And they changed my medical records to say that I
56:34
Speaker 16: had anxiety, mental depression, things that I've never had, and
56:39
Speaker 16: it was from medical records from Vanderbilt, a place I've
56:42
Speaker 16: never been. So they were setting it up to do
56:45
Speaker 16: the same thing to me. It's happening to my friends
56:47
Speaker 16: that owned companies that found code injections from the same
56:51
Speaker 16: locations Huntsville, Alabama and Curtland Air Force Base, New Mexico.
56:55
Speaker 16: So I think that all of these people's connection is
56:59
Speaker 16: that they try to stop terrorism and counter terrorism from occurring.
57:03
Speaker 16: They blew the whistle on something and there are people,
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Speaker 16: bad actors that murdered them for it, and they made
57:10
Speaker 16: it look like a suicide.
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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything regarding the
57:15
Speaker 1: missing and dead scientists and lab workers, please dial eight hundred,
57:21
Speaker 1: Call FBI eight hundred, call FBI two two five five
57:27
Speaker 1: three two four. We remember American hero Captain Christopher Guero,
57:33
Speaker 1: New York State Police died as a result of being
57:38
Speaker 1: a hero in the September eleven attacks, served our country
57:43
Speaker 1: for twenty three years, leaving behind his wife Jillian, and
57:48
Speaker 1: two daughters, Ella and Maggie. American hero Captain Christopher Guero.
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Speaker 1: Thank you to our guest, but especially to you for
57:56
Speaker 1: being with us tonight. Nancy Gray signing off for tonight,
57:59
Speaker 1: but I'll see tomorrow night, and until then, good night friend.
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Speaker 3: Mm hmm