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'Relaxing Music is Stressful' w/ Mima Merrow & Kevin P Gilday · You Call That Radio?

• 0:06
  Speaker A: As you call that radio. We're gonna go live for the Thursday night. We've got Kevin Pegle Day and my mamero in the house. And I think we can go live to them just now. Veteran Scots poet, front man of the Glasgow Cross, Kevin Pig all day.
• 0:40
  Speaker B: Hello.
• 0:42
  Speaker A: Do you like my acoustic music playing in the background?
• 0:45
  Speaker B: It's very new age. I feel like I'm in a tent at a festival somewhere.
• 0:50
  Speaker A: That's the king of environment. I like to feel. I like to feel safe. A safe tent. A safe tent. And we've also got Belfast born, Glasgow bass singer, songwriter, some of you may know, keyboard player for Tyro Babies as well. It's my mamero in the house.
• 1:06
  Speaker C: Hello.
• 1:07
  Speaker A: Well, I just keep the music on the whole time.
• 1:11
  Speaker C: Like a blind boy podcast, I think.
• 1:14
  Speaker A: Just like an intro I think I should have. I think that's good for that.
• 1:18
  Speaker C: It's getting weirdly stressful.
• 1:21
  Speaker A: There's nothing more stressful than calming music, I find.
• 1:25
  Speaker B: Exactly.
• 1:26
  Speaker A: Do you ever have to listen to calming music to go to sleep?
• 1:31
  Speaker C: No, I'm really good at falling asleep. I have bad dreams when I am asleep, but I conquer it pretty quick. You do.
• 1:40
  Speaker B: When I'm on a flight and I'm surrounded by very annoying people who have been very rude. I have a Japanese. A kind of environmental music from the 80s that I like to listen to in my headphones and pretend that they're not there.
• 1:56
  Speaker A: Japanese environmental music?
• 1:59
  Speaker B: Yes.
• 2:00
  Speaker A: What. What is that?
• 2:02
  Speaker B: It was like a. Kind of like a movement of music in the kind of 70s and 80s in Japan. And I. I suppose you'd say it's close. Closest to kind of ambient kind of stuff, but all kind of like nice weekend. The plinky, plonky, wind chime type stuff. It's very nice.
• 2:21
  Speaker A: See, it sounds nice. But actually I do agree with the fact that common music can be stressful. Sometimes I feel like, you know, especially in an airplane fight. No fight or flight pun meant. But you know why. But sometimes I get nervous, sometimes I don't. And you're just sitting there and you just allow yourself to sort of calm down and drift off and then you just go, I need to be more alert than this. I need to be ready. Is that. What am I going to do if I was a plane crash? I mean, there's surely going to be. You would hope there's better equipped people on the airplane to deal with a. A disaster with bad odds as well.
• 3:00
  Speaker B: So, I mean, I'm the. I'm the same there. And I think it's a. It's very much an ego thing. So it's like if. If I'm not paying full attention, then the plane is going to crash. It's me. I. I am keeping it up through my power of thought.
• 3:16
  Speaker A: Yes. Like you fed a beer and they try and offer you a second one. You're like, no, I'm working, mate. That actually did happen to me in Mexico when I was. I'd lost a laptop and I was on about my seventh flight in three days, which was. What's it called? Exposure therapy. An expensive exposure therapy to try and get my laptop back. And in maybe the fifth or the sixth or the seventh flight, I'm just sitting there and I had this seat. I just picked it randomly, just whatever's cheapest. I don't know, I don't really look at it. But it was just like I was assigned the emergency exit flight and then this Mexican woman came up to me and so I've explained that actually finally my worst fears or my ego had been massaged, that maybe I just had a look a bit me about a guy who gets things done. But she said, you know, if there's a crash, this is the fire. This is the exit door. And I had. I was in the middle of the plane and had an exit door. I can't remember exactly what I was meant to do if the worst happened, but I did feel like it strangely gave me a bit of meaning. I think I was a bit drunk as well, but I was just like, you know, I think I've got this under control.
• 4:27
  Speaker C: Oh, but I'm not scared of flying. I'm scared of boats. I get that on boats.
• 4:33
  Speaker A: You don't like boats.
• 4:35
  Speaker C: Hate boats.
• 4:36
  Speaker A: All your, all your songs, are they not all about. I know.
• 4:41
  Speaker C: I like being at the edge of it. I don't like being. I do small boats. I just don't. It's just. It's just being on a boat when it's sinking.
• 4:50
  Speaker A: You don't know. I put you to play a boat last year, Aaron, you never mentioned anything about a boat phobia.
• 4:56
  Speaker C: Oh, no, that type of boat's fine, right?
• 4:59
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 4:59
  Speaker C: It's any boat where, like you can go downstairs and be trapped. Any kind of. Any kind of big boat scenario.
• 5:06
  Speaker B: Yeah. I was once on a boat that.
• 5:08
  Speaker C: Really far out to sea because my. My ego to Aaron would be like, I could swim there.
• 5:15
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 5:16
  Speaker C: I can't ever keep interrupting you.
• 5:17
  Speaker B: That's okay. I was also like, we should try and swim to Aaron, but I don't know if we'll make it.
• 5:26
  Speaker A: Well, that's another thing that, I mean the, the false, the false confidence I have with swimming is it goes back to me being the, the best swimmer in primary six. I think it's 26 and actually I was the joint best, to be honest. SHOUTS Davis Racking bastards. Joint best. I think we bought. I think we got the same amount of lens and this. I think he maybe beat me in the timing, but I got the most lengths. So I kind of always felt like, you know, because I nearly died of drowning when I was in Primary four. And then by primary six, I was winning the. The awards and come back. Yeah. And have inspirational. I don't. Yes. You know, I mean, look at me now. I don't really swim. I don't really swim anymore and you know, I've put on weight, I'm not as fit, but I just feel like, you know, if the plane goes down, I'm going to be okay. I'll be, I'll be. Get a few people on my back and I'll swim as all to safety. It's also not. Sorry if anyone's listening to this on an airplane because I know it's a tough time for people being on airplanes anyway, especially in America because of the.
• 6:38
  Speaker C: Well, did something go down?
• 6:40
  Speaker A: Yeah, all four, I think in a week in America. And Donald Trump's blaming it on equality.
• 6:48
  Speaker B: It was diversity made them diversity.
• 6:51
  Speaker C: Right.
• 6:51
  Speaker A: Okay, so he's blaming a diversity. And then the sort of. The liberal argument is, is that Donald Trump has cut all the funding and sacked people high up in the. The air. What regulation type people? Yeah, they're all going.
• 7:09
  Speaker C: They keep people safe.
• 7:11
  Speaker A: Have you been, have you pay much attention to what's going on where Trump and Elon Musk and stuff like that?
• 7:16
  Speaker C: No, I've turned all news off. I can't. I can't do it. It makes me want to give. It's too much. I have to. But I've gone too far. Like I know nothing about what's happening.
• 7:29
  Speaker A: No, that's okay. That's right. I do. I go through phases of just watching too much and then. Then I like to just block it for a while as well. I've been watching too much my algorithm right now because I don't. I've only got you. I've got YouTube Premium and I just kind of watch stuff like that. My algorithm sort of sends me in and I've watched too much Musk Trump stuff because now I'm getting sent more and more of it every day and there's just too much happening. Look, I feel people are thinking, I've got a bit. I think I've got a bit. I'm going to get a good. Better. That's when I'm going to be doing, I don't know, like a news report on this channel. And then just something else weird happens. It just. It just changes too quick.
• 8:05
  Speaker B: Yeah. That's the point, though, right, Is to exhaust you with, like, mad things happening every day so you'd feel like you can never quite get a grip on it. So while you're doing all that, something else is happening in the background, do you mean. I think it's like. It's classic.
• 8:22
  Speaker A: Deliberate. Deliberate distraction technique.
• 8:25
  Speaker B: Hyper normalization. Yes.
• 8:28
  Speaker A: Invented by the Russians.
• 8:30
  Speaker B: Invented by the Russians. Perfected by the Americans.
• 8:34
  Speaker A: They're doing. They're doing a good job and I think they're on the same team. Russia and America are pals.
• 8:43
  Speaker B: A heel ton.
• 8:44
  Speaker A: A heel turn. And Keir Starmer's going over to. To try and just try and negotiate with Donald Trump and Putin. He's not got a chance, is he?
• 8:57
  Speaker B: I just saw some of the press conference there and just saying, oh, Europe's terrible because they won't buy our cars. It's like. It's because maybe wants to drive a massive truck and like, in Paris. Do you mean the size of the roads here? Maybe wants to drive a massive truck. We don't want to buy your cars.
• 9:20
  Speaker A: Is it. Is this. Is. This is stammer next to him when he's saying all this?
• 9:23
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
• 9:24
  Speaker A: I think he's like, all right, so I've not. I've not the update yet. I just knew he was going over there looking. Oh, he's. Oh. Anyway, not even gonna. I'm not even gonna get it. Let's talk about. Let's change it. Let's talk about music. Let's talk about music. We use a. Playing a double headline show on March 6th at the OT addresses, if I got that correct.
• 9:45
  Speaker C: Yes.
• 9:46
  Speaker A: And how did you guys meet? Obviously, I've known both these guys for quite a while, but it's. How. How did you meet each other?
• 9:56
  Speaker B: I think that I just heard, like, the name Maimamero kind of kicking about. And I'd seen, like, oh, she's doing a support slot for this cool person. And this cool person was like, I need to check out this. This person's music. And. And I was like, oh, this is great. And I was doing my bank of Springbone project at that time, which was. I kind of took over a Disused bank and Springboard shopping center and made it into a wee arts hub for a couple of months, which was nice. And I was booking a wee kind of variety show and I was like, oh, I'll ask my mama Merrill. See if she'll come along and gaze a wee tune. And I kind of specified before I was like, just so you know, this is a shopping center in Springbone. On a Saturday afternoon, it will be. You know when somebody says a gig is lo fi? I was like, this is. This is true lo fi. And it was great. We had a great time and I was really blown away by Maima's music. So. Yes, that was kind of where we met.
• 11:05
  Speaker C: Yeah, it was really good. It was really good fun, that gig. You'd a really good crowd in as well. Like bunch of students and. Yeah, it was nice. Very receptive. Although I did swear a lot. And then I realized after there was like kids there with their maws and stuff.
• 11:21
  Speaker B: That's fine. They live in Springbon. They're used to it. Don't worry about it.
• 11:24
  Speaker A: Yeah, I think it's okay. I think it's okay. I think it's okay. I think it's a bit how you swear.
• 11:30
  Speaker C: It's part of the art.
• 11:32
  Speaker A: Yes, it's an art thing. We had to. We just have to change our words. We do change words. If it's daytime in a festival, certain words that are too. Too much swearing, we try and change. But if you. If it's after 8:00 at night, then, you know, is it me that's the bad artist? Or they've been the bad parents or good parents?
• 11:56
  Speaker C: Because this is definitely during the day in a shopping center. Like.
• 12:05
  Speaker A: You'Re the bad. You're the bad one.
• 12:07
  Speaker C: I'm the bad one.
• 12:08
  Speaker A: But like. Like you, that's Springbone. And I'm sure you. You weren't swearing. I've never heard. You weren't angrily swearing. I'm sure I wasn't sh. You. You weren't. You weren't angrily swearing at the kids? Let's just clarify this year I was.
• 12:20
  Speaker C: Just pointing at them and tell them to.
• 12:25
  Speaker A: The bank of Springburn was a great name. I'm really gutted. I never made.
• 12:29
  Speaker C: Was brilliant.
• 12:30
  Speaker A: It was just. It was. I just. I didn't. I never. I never managed to make it along Tenem. So that. Is that bank now like a community center?
• 12:39
  Speaker B: No, no, I mean literally the minute. The minute we left it, it just reverted back to being an empty building, which is still sitting empty. I walk past it, you know, Every couple of days or whatever and go, oh yeah, that's that place. Yep.
• 12:59
  Speaker A: There is actually a thing because I've been. I'm ready to fill out my first form and I've never had the funding before but I've actually did the. Filled out a form the other day. I'm filling, I'm on form. I've missing to fill out forms and try and get funding. And I noticed, I think I've just missed a deadline for one. I already taken too much planning. But one of the things was I think where they would double the amount if you took over. I think like an abandoned building, like a bank or something. But they would double it. Obviously I don't really have the money but people have, have spoke to me before about that we'd like to invest in a. In a venue type thing and I think if you could get the. Double the, the money then maybe we could make it happen. Springboard's on there. That seems like. I think for order for it to be affordable in any level, you would need it to be something like that. Is it the right time to gentrify Springbone?
• 13:56
  Speaker B: Who's told you this information?
• 13:59
  Speaker A: I was actually Colin. Colin told me about. I remember about seven years ago, eight years ago maybe he said, do you know what? If I had a deposit or if you ever get deposit, you want to invest in Springboard. Dennison's too is going to. It's too expensive. You Springboard's next, that's what you want. And then I just kind of assumed it's on there. No, it's not like I go to Springboard so you know, I might too. I'm acting like I'm closer to Springboard than I'm. But it just seems like, you know, they got. I hear things about. I hear tales of new bridges. Tales of new bridges. Tales of new pop up arts events. Pop up the spank of Springbone.
• 14:40
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 14:41
  Speaker B: Yep, yep. I mean I feel like it's. It's me that's gentrifying it single handedly. It's just, it's. And I've done it just by existing in the space. Do you know what I mean? Just by walking the street.
• 14:54
  Speaker A: Band T shirts. We didn't kill band T shirts and stuff like that.
• 14:58
  Speaker B: Exactly. Like it's just by osmosis. I'm just gentrifying it just by walking a bit. But no, there's no real kind of. I mean what, what about Alex?
• 15:08
  Speaker A: Alex was doing a thing with a piano drum type thing.
• 15:11
  Speaker B: Oh yeah, Yeah. I mean the auditorium Very cool. Yes. Great.
• 15:16
  Speaker A: People, could you tell us a bit about the auditorium?
• 15:18
  Speaker B: I've actually no. Visited it before because it's only opened, like, certain times of the year and at weekends and I always seem to miss it. But, yeah, they basically made a venue in an old kind of. I think it was for storing grit, which is great. And it just mean it was. It was like a directing structure for putting grit in and. And then they brought in all these broken pianos and made it into seats. So it's very cool. I think it's more of a. A summer venue because I think it's absolutely freezing during the winter. But a brilliant thing for Springbon and a great team up there.
• 16:02
  Speaker A: Yes. Shouts to Alex and all the good work his team are doing. Yeah, I've seen the pictures. It looks great. So I'm gonna check it. Hello, Mary. Hello, Jigsaw Tiger. It's. Let's talk about the old hairdressers gig. So he's. So he started. He's done a few gigs together and he's decided it's double headline time. What's the focus on it? I think you've got. Is it. Is it. Is it a chance to try out new material or he's promoting a new thing or what's going on?
• 16:30
  Speaker C: For me, it is a chance to. I'm. We, the band and I have been rehearsing loads and we're going to try out, like, quite a few new tunes because I'm going to try to get the second album recorded by the end of this year for release next year. And with the first record, I did it in lockdown and so, like, didn't have the chance to, like, play any of the tunes, like, for anyone in a room live. So I really want to do it with this record. Plus it's. The new stuff's quite different, like, not massively.
• 17:07
  Speaker A: That was a nervous laugh. Did I just pick up on a nervous laugh? Like, is it. Have you just. Are you changing genre? What's going on? You need to go to the gig and find it.
• 17:19
  Speaker C: Yeah, I would say it's heavier.
• 17:22
  Speaker A: It's heavier, yeah.
• 17:23
  Speaker C: Much lighter. Heavier. It's just. It's the weird stuff without me maybe, like trying to pull the weird stuff I did before back, maybe. Plus I've got this big, massive, amazing band now that I can, like, actually sort of arrange stuff with. Whereas when I did the first record, I did every single thing myself and then I gave it to a band to try to play. Whereas this time I've got, like, very cool people Helping me make it.
• 17:53
  Speaker A: How many in your band?
• 17:55
  Speaker C: Seven.
• 17:56
  Speaker A: Is it seven? Wow. Is it. Is it the same mesh line up from Aram? Yep. Yeah that was amazing. It was really good.
• 18:05
  Speaker C: It's like that but I think when people listen to my first record it's all quite quiet and sad. I mean you said that the first time you saw the band live even so it's kind of like that but more heavy.
• 18:17
  Speaker A: Yeah, no but that's good.
• 18:19
  Speaker C: More ry.
• 18:21
  Speaker A: It's. It was amazing live. I'm looking forward to hear how it sounds in record. But yeah, he's all had capes on and stuff. It was just. I don't know it was like. Because it is quite sad songs but they all sounded happy because you changed. We were wearing capes and all the musicians are. Are great and you've got like Freya being Freya and just generally just vibes. It's got vibes, good vibes.
• 18:44
  Speaker C: So I'm excited.
• 18:46
  Speaker A: Kevin, what about what's. What's Glasgow Cross? Where to use that just now.
• 18:52
  Speaker B: So we just brought our third album at the end of last year so we are still very much in the place where we're kind of pushing that and try to just get it in people's ears. We're really proud it like that third album. We worked on that for a long time and I think it's. It's one of the best things I've ever made personally. Super proud and I just need what more people to listen to it because it's brilliant, it's a brilliant record and you know how hard it is to get music in front of people nowadays, especially when people have so many options and we're kind of inundated with music all the time. So it's just a chance to play some of these great songs live and hopefully capture people a wee bit. Though there will be a new tune in the mix there as well which is quite exciting that we're kind of already thinking about the. The next album, album number four which hopefully we'll kind of get the ball rolling with sooner rather than later because it feels like we've got some nice momentum now. Feels like we're making great work and we can have the mechanism to. To do that.
• 20:01
  Speaker A: That's great man. I remember I've really got a bad grasp of time since lockdown so I can't remember when I spoke to you but I remember interviewing you. I think I read you a couple of times. Overlooked and era. But you were less enthusiastic about the sort of the, the. The dynamics of Being in a band and how difficult it can be. It was. We're just sort of laughing about how. Well, not how difficult it can be. The herding of cats.
• 20:28
  Speaker B: Yes. I think that this time round I've chosen my cats. Really?
• 20:35
  Speaker A: Particularly, rather than the cats choosing you.
• 20:38
  Speaker B: Exactly. Yes, exactly. That.
• 20:43
  Speaker A: Just walk into the studio and in Martha territory and they're there until one day they're not.
• 20:52
  Speaker B: Yes. And I feel like I basically. I mean, there's only three of us in the. In the band. There might be more in the future, but there's only three of us just now, which makes my life a lot easier. And so what's.
• 21:05
  Speaker A: What's that. What's that set up for three of you? Doing what?
• 21:08
  Speaker B: So it's myself on vocals, Ralph is on everything, and. And we've got Ben on the drums. So we also, you know, we have kind of loops and tracks kind of playing along with it as well. So we're quite kind of synced in and with a backing, which is really nice as well. It just. I feel like, in terms of rehearsing, it's made everything just so much easier. And also it's like people don't give a. There's some sun playing in the background. People don't care. Do you? I mean, it's like. It's part of the general kind of experience. And also we recorded all that music at some point anyway, so it's nice that it's kind of. That bringing in that kind of stuff and then kind of overlapping live with it as well. And then for me, it's all about my performance at the front as well, which is all very live and electric. I like it.
• 22:05
  Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, it's not. It's really common these days for when you're dealing with bands, especially if they're coming up from England or whatever, that they're like, yeah, we've got three. Three prices. I can do a solo set or I can do a small band set, or we can do the full band set. Because touring is so expensive these days to make it work, you know, I. I don't even know how we're going to tour the Gyro Babies album. I'll probably just need to just date myself. We're back in track. Just walk on like a set player. Yeah, that's cool. That's too much. That's too much, though, I think. But I think everyone's accepting of a laptop playing, some ambience, whether that's keys or. Or a second drum beat. But I like a live drummer for Certain music, it works. Some. Some music doesn't need it, but. Yeah, it's. It's. It's. It's tough. I've been really thinking about the trail and I just think I'm not gonna bother. Wait. We've got a few festivals, see how the festivals goes. Maybe I'm just getting a bit carried away, but it just seems like a. It could be.
• 23:12
  Speaker C: It's an awful lot of work, isn't it?
• 23:14
  Speaker A: Yeah, well, it's just. It's. I think I'm just. Well, the thing is I'm. I'm trying. I'm. I'm trying to reinvent myself as the. As a health guru. And touring was fun when I was younger, just because I was just going to party and, and sleep on a floor and if I did, even. Sometimes I would even sleep. But now, you know, you're just thinking I'm seeing it like potential hangovers already.
• 23:39
  Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
• 23:43
  Speaker C: I can only feel like so many times in the next couple of weeks or months, and I like it.
• 23:49
  Speaker A: And we've got. Right. And right now we've got exactly four festivals and they're all split up with two or three weeks recovery in between.
• 23:57
  Speaker C: Perfect.
• 23:58
  Speaker A: And I think that's the. The level that I'm at just now.
• 24:01
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 24:02
  Speaker A: But if. If, you know, if the album does reasonably well, people are off on this. So, you know, maybe you don't need to it, like a tour. Like, with the way we did in our 20s, we could do it like, you know, maybe do Dundee one week and then like three weeks the following week and you just put it on a poster and you call it a tour. It's.
• 24:25
  Speaker B: Yeah. What does it matter? Do you mean? It's like, see, if you're not going to have like some kind of manager and you're like, oh, you're staying in this hotel last night and this hotel the next night. See, if it's in Scotland, where we live in a tiny country, and you can travel to anywhere and back again in the same night. For the most part, it's like, yeah, why not? Do you mean do something every weekend?
• 24:48
  Speaker C: Yeah, totally.
• 24:51
  Speaker A: Ian, bro.
• 24:53
  Speaker C: Hey, Doogie. Doug's in my band.
• 24:57
  Speaker A: Doug's in the band as well.
• 24:58
  Speaker C: One of the best drummers in the. On the Muppets. Yeah. So my. Currently, I call them Mima's Muppets. We're trying to find a better name.
• 25:09
  Speaker A: It kind of works. It kind of works.
• 25:10
  Speaker C: My was my marrow and her Muppets. So, yeah, Doug's in a. He's the best drummer Ever. He's my favorite jumper.
• 25:18
  Speaker B: Yes.
• 25:18
  Speaker A: Shout to Doug and Jigs will take us in new direction. Sounds exciting.
• 25:24
  Speaker C: Thank you. It is exciting. It is exciting. It's just scary, but it's exciting, too. I don't want to do the exact. I was starting to write. I don't know if you guys have had this because you've written loads of albums by now, but I was doing this thing where I was like, I. I'm pretty much writing the exact same album. Like they're different songs, but it was feeling the same thing and I was getting annoyed about that. So that I just wrote a few mad ones and now I feel way more excited about it again. I just don't want to do the same thing.
• 25:53
  Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. That's why I'm killing my band off. That's what I'm doing. Just kill off, die, you know, start something new.
• 26:08
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 26:08
  Speaker A: Because obviously we've always been quite a varied band, so that's probably at the heart of our lack of success. That and many other things. But just by changing each song up so it sounds really different. So if something gives you. The majority of people are going to say, check out this band. And they check out one song.
• 26:27
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 26:27
  Speaker A: And they go, that's absolutely terrible. That's not my music taste at all. Why did that person and why did that person recommend them? But they've maybe just caught a bad live version or. Or a slow one when they were looking for a fast one.
• 26:39
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 26:40
  Speaker A: But I still do agree that, you know, I feel like we're writing this album that I was trying to write a song for certain people. I was like, you know, the people that like that one will like this one and the people like that one. And then obviously there's just a lot of chaotic, weird stuff on it. But it's always been chaotic and weird, so you could go on forever. I just kind of. I feel like I'm done with the name. I'm done with the name. This is my. I started off as an angry young person and this is my grumpy, middle aged version of that. And then just kill it. Kill it with fire. And then maybe do something. Something new.
• 27:19
  Speaker C: I just have to ask. In like, five years, you'd be like, aye.
• 27:22
  Speaker A: So then we went on one more album. Well, do you know what? I've not ruled it. I've not looked at. I've not seen that. You know, I just feel. I've never felt like this before. I just feel like this is. It's the end this time. It's like, it just feels like I'm done with, you know, it's too long. It's too long. There's two minutes. I've seen them come, I've watched him go. It's time for me to join them in the, the after party of this band. Yeah, but Kev, that's how you, you. That's probably what's reignited your vision listed. We were joking about how difficult it is and now you seem enthusiastic about it. But you went away for a couple years and focused on your spoken word shows, which you had a lot of successful, which isn't easy to, to go up to that next level of just being a sort of a poet on the scene, but actually turning 90 fringe shows and taking it on tour. I don't know exactly where you went, but I seen you were at, you were at Irvin. I know that you made it to the Harbor Arts Center. If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere. We get barred for there. So what say the drummer did, the guitarist, that it wasn't actually the drummers, folks, the guitar folk.
• 28:38
  Speaker D: What.
• 28:39
  Speaker A: Could we talk about that a little bit and how what your spoken word shows were like, how did the tour the Fringe went and how it, how is it different to be in a band compared to doing it as a solo mission?
• 28:54
  Speaker B: Yeah, I feel like right away there's a, is a different kind of expectation because you are in control of everything. You can in control of every element. So those shows, I was writing them and performing them and kind of arranging them, also like to a certain extent producing them as well, kind of doing a lot of the, my own booking on top of everything. So yeah, it feels really nice to, to have that level of control as a control freak. And these shows were kind of, you know, obviously people know me from my poetry and that, that's kind of. I'm still happy for, for that to be what, what I'm known for. But I was working more and more in theater and it felt like every time I was writing one of these shows it was becoming a wee bit less poetry and a wee bit more theater and it started to kind of meld anyone, which, yeah, just happened naturally. But it's, it's been a lovely thing. And yeah, I've told that. I mean I've told these shows all over the uk, all over Scotland, definitely. And in certain points, you know, international festivals as well, like certain of the fringe festivals in Canada and all the rest of it. So I've been really lucky to, to be able to have these Opportunities, but it's definitely came from just going, I'm just going to do this myself and I don't need anybody to do it and I don't need any help. And poetry kind of is quite an independent art form anyway. Right. It's like you kind of. You do the whole thing yourself, you write the poems yourself, you perform yourself. You don't really need anybody else. So it was maybe just taking a wee bit of that DIY E Force and bringing it into the theater world and kind of combining them. But it's been amazing the last few years. Spam Valley done really well, took that to the Fringe. It did not do well at the Fringe. It needs to be said, fucking pain in the ass at the Fringe. But the tour afterwards, amazing. You know what I mean? You're at the Fringe and you're surrounded by, you know, millions of people there to see art and you kind of get 15 cunts in a room to watch you do this amazing show that's got five stars, but then you take it to Irvin and there's like a hundred people there who just want to see a show because you've brought it to them. So, yeah, I think that I've really enjoyed the touring aspect of it as well. Even if sometimes you're like, you know, you have to spend your night in a travel lodge in Preston. But these things happen in life.
• 31:35
  Speaker A: Well, yeah, you wouldn't have enjoyed the successful tour if it wasn't for the horror of the Fringe.
• 31:41
  Speaker B: Of course I need to. I need to balance these things out. Every few years I forget I have this kind of like, kind of amnesia where I go, I'm. It might be all right. It might be like, maybe I'll have a good time, maybe I'll enjoy it this time. And then I go there and I hate my life. So this year we will probably be one of those years, so look out for that as well.
• 32:04
  Speaker A: Oh, yeah, you may just. You're going to go back. Is it. Is it long enough past?
• 32:07
  Speaker B: You're just like, maybe I think long enough's past. Where the. The traumas kind of died down in my system now and I need to reinvigorate it.
• 32:15
  Speaker A: So, yeah, I've still never. Every time I've played the Fringe, it's always been with the band or. And I'd maybe do a couple of spots around that show. So. So I've always quite enjoyed the Fringe because I'll just go for a. A weekend and then just have a good time and just watch free Fringe, maybe pay For a couple of shows and yeah, just have a good time. But I, I do see, you know, I think I. I've got trauma by proxy by pretty much every second person on the show over the summer is. Is going to fringe or is at the fringe or has just been at the fringe. And yeah, I think it's. I think majority say that it doesn't go well.
• 32:56
  Speaker B: Yes. I think, by the way, see, if you're a comedian class, brilliant. You should. I feel like it's a dream, but see, if you're doing anything else, like, it's a nightmare. It's like you're trying to convince people to come and see something and they just want to get drunk and watch comedy, which is fair enough. So they are.
• 33:18
  Speaker A: But there is an element of comedy to your show. It's funny.
• 33:22
  Speaker B: It's. It's true. But I mean, try and sell that. Do you. I mean, it's funny, but it's also. It's also poetry. All right, I. I believe you, mate.
• 33:35
  Speaker A: Have you ever thought about doing a. Because obviously you, you, You're a. A singer, songwriter, but you're also like, on your album, there's lots of poetry bits, spoken word parts.
• 33:47
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 33:47
  Speaker A: Have you ever thought about taking them. My mamero. Spoken word thing to the fringe or just doing it a bit more? Or have you done it?
• 33:54
  Speaker C: No, I have been writing poetry secretly this year, but none of it's funny. It's all very, like, you know.
• 34:05
  Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, but most of it's not funny and even the funny stuff's not funny. No. Kev Skips is actually funny. Kevin's. No, Kevin. Kevin's genuinely, like, has made me. It's good. I've seen it, but I've seen funny poetry. That's not. It's not funny. Yeah, but I mean, I've been guilty of that.
• 34:27
  Speaker C: You guys are talking as if people know how to do that. Oh, you just take your show to the fringe. You don't. That's a. That's like a massive achievement. Like, I wouldn't begin to know how to make the show to then take the show to bring it to the fringe. It's cool.
• 34:42
  Speaker A: Just take out. Just take a loan. You just take a loan and just don't expect to see it back anytime soon.
• 34:49
  Speaker B: That's it. And if you've got two grand and just want to flush it, just go.
• 34:53
  Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah, that's a grand I've got. Okay. Yeah.
• 34:55
  Speaker A: And then it's kind of like the same thing. Same thing with the album as well. You know where you've got. Do you start throwing. Because obviously you spend money recording an album and time and energy, all that goes with that. And then you start to realize, here, I might not break even in this project, so why don't I pay £2,000 for a radio plugger? £2,000? You don't. Obviously I'm joking. You don't actually do it, but you think about it, you think, maybe, maybe what I need is sponsored ads. Maybe if I just got a picture of my band, a professionally taking picture of the band, not that I even know who would be in that picture these days, but you get a professional picture with some of the band and then you pay the skinny three grand to put a little picture in the newspaper. And maybe everything may be different. We're sponsored ad and Facebook and you can't have a Facebook ad and not have an Instagram ad. And, you know, if you want to reach a wider demographic, you've got to go to Tik Tok ads.
• 35:59
  Speaker B: But all that's all that's taken away from the actual point of it, which is we are not young and cool looking enough for any of that to matter.
• 36:10
  Speaker A: You could get a picture thing, you.
• 36:12
  Speaker B: Could put all the money you wanted in it, you could put 20 grand into it and people would still go.
• 36:25
  Speaker A: You'Ve got a good haircut, I reckon. Just a bit of light, a bit of lighting and you're fine.
• 36:29
  Speaker B: The right.
• 36:31
  Speaker A: Just change the age demographic and your. Your quids in, man.
• 36:37
  Speaker B: Yeah, it's hard because it's like you want to appeal to people your age. Right. I. I'm quite happy to. To go, oh, if. If my whole demographic, if it was just people my age in their, like, mid-30s, that that turned up a gig, I'd be like, magic. Co. People of that demographic are only going to see bands that they liked in their early 20s who have reformed, like. And unless you were there, you're should be.
• 37:06
  Speaker A: Should there be a rule should be banned. Should we ban that? Like, you know, maybe you're allowed one reunion tour every 10 years. I'm very excited, by the way. I hope that this is happening, but the Beta band are putting out teasers that they're coming back. No, they've. That's my favorite band and we've been lucky enough to tour with Steve Mason before and I. I genuinely love the Beta Band. And they've not played. They did the last gig. I was at the last gig at the bars, I'm guessing 2003. And then they've actually just I've had them on the show and I said would you get back together? Never. It's never. That will never happen has been what he's been saying for 25 years or something. 20 years anyway. And there. So they're allowed to come back. Bring back them. Yes. And I think that if they're coming back they'll be bringing new music. So we need the be a band now more than ever. But there's other bands out there, Brit pop bands usually and they do the reunion thing. But then they do the reunion every year. Should we say no, you can't do that anymore. You've had. Yes, we should just kind of do it anyway. You're just taking all the. You're still one of the fans.
• 38:22
  Speaker C: We should. And say only we're allowed to turn them away.
• 38:27
  Speaker B: Look, Ocean Color Scene in a cage and don't let them out again here.
• 38:32
  Speaker A: I let it see ocean a couple years ago but they're back again. They keep coming back. It's a good example of a band that they're back. It's like. Well, you can't keep coming back. You're still there. You've not. You've not been back. You've always been there. No new album, no tour. Yeah, exactly. What about. How do you feel about the reunion? The anniversary gig. Sorry. The anniversary tours whereby they do the classic album which. The certain albums I've been really grateful to see life because it kind of means that you've got. That's the opposite of what I was saying which is you're not going to be bored with new songs. You're actually getting a classic album that you love. But yeah, it makes sense if it's the 10 year anniversary or the 20 year anniversary. But come on, don't do the 17 year anniversary. Yeah, anniversary. So the big rules for this or what's your. Which you're taking this Kevin first.
• 39:34
  Speaker B: Yeah. I think that. I think you only get. You either get the 20th or the 25th anniversary. You don't get both. You have to pick one. Like I can't. I can't be going to like the same gig five years apart. Like.
• 39:49
  Speaker A: And also you can't be missing it either. You don't. Nobody wants to miss it either.
• 39:52
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 39:52
  Speaker A: So that should. You shouldn't have to be any choose if you went the 20th anniversary and then they say they're doing a 25th anniversary and it's your favorite album.
• 40:00
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 40:01
  Speaker A: Who are they? Still another 40, 50 quid off you because you haven't got a gig that you Want to go to. When you don't want to go. Well, you don't. It's not that you want to go to it, you just don't want to miss it either.
• 40:12
  Speaker B: It's shocking. I. I mean, there's a few culprits, definitely, as much I like them. But the wedding present every few years, I'm like, what album is it? What album has a complete of anniversary this year that we're back on it again? The other thing about these, where they play the full album is I don't want to hear the full album because it's got album tracks on it that they want to hear. Why are you playing the filler? I don't want to hear that song. I mean, play the good songs off the album. Don't play the full thing. Like, why do I want to sit and listen to some album track that I would skip any other time, but I have to go through it live for the sake of completionism.
• 40:54
  Speaker C: Is that what you're doing at this gig, then, Kev? Are you just picking the. You know, not playing all your album?
• 40:59
  Speaker B: I mean. Yeah, but her album. That's the point. This album is so good that you can skip a track on it.
• 41:09
  Speaker C: No, I. It's really, really good. I'm glad you're playing them all.
• 41:13
  Speaker A: Do you cl. Have you going any of the. The anniversary band?
• 41:21
  Speaker C: I went to an idol Wild one. It was good. It was like remote part start to finish. It was really good. It was really good.
• 41:27
  Speaker A: But that's in band for 10 years now. They kind of do that one again. You're not going back.
• 41:36
  Speaker C: But I'm. I'm fickle with stuff.
• 41:38
  Speaker A: Like I. Yeah, I Seen the World and we. We played Aberdeen and I remember Ida World being the. The angry sort of punky stuff they did.
• 41:53
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 41:54
  Speaker A: What's going on out of the window. No, no. Everyone says you're so fragile. So I was kind of like. We were on the same bow and I was like, yes, I'll be relive my youth. But it was. It was the other stuff, the commercially successful stuff, but I never really got into. I. I don't know. I think I was in my techno phase when that came out and I just. I couldn't get into it. And it was. It was.
• 42:19
  Speaker C: First couple of albums were brilliant. They were great.
• 42:22
  Speaker A: But I mean, I couldn't. You know, it's no way I could go on stage and tell them to play. I mean, I had. I had an access all in his pass. I could have went on stage and asked them to play Everyone says you're so fragile. I could have did that if I wanted to but I just thought that was a bit rude. Yeah it's their fault for putting me in that position to even consider it but everyone likes different things I suppose you seen skip the album tracks you seen skip the album tracks but surely back in especially back in the our our younger era or you know you I'm assuming you're old enough to remember CDs back then we listened to get our £15 worth we listened to every song and it was the singles that hooked Jen. Then you had to convince yourself that you'd made a good purchase so you played it over and over again and it was actually you would be surprised some of those sh album tracks became the favorites or is that just a thing that we told ourselves so that we appeared more interesting to other people who said that they they weren't that.
• 43:23
  Speaker C: Yeah we definitely all did that thing where we pretended we which is the one that other people won't like and I'll say I like that one because I'm going to be cool and obscure.
• 43:33
  Speaker A: Yeah well done that the 10 do we mean it? Didn't we mean it Are we lying to ourselves Because I feel like I mean it I I there are some.
• 43:42
  Speaker C: That I mean it I can't name any of them now but I've also I could also feel the pressure to be weird and like not like the.
• 43:51
  Speaker A: Hits you don't want to see that can we we don't want to mention any more bands we've already got either Wells lawyers on onto his yeah.
• 44:01
  Speaker C: I.
• 44:01
  Speaker A: Love Idlewild I'm well awake but thanks for the chat folks. Steve makes the beer band the family I have here that I just want to rephrase that to clarify I just didn't know it that either way was it I wanted it to get angry.
• 44:15
  Speaker C: And punky it is yeah it is different. It is different.
• 44:18
  Speaker A: What was the success there was a big successful one that I did know the Remote part or something in the.
• 44:23
  Speaker C: Remote Part was their big successful album.
• 44:25
  Speaker A: Yeah so there was a couple in that that I did know that got through got through my my world of techno and hip hop at the time but yeah what's no start talking about bands that they've got good songs and bad songs I feel bad doing that what I would like to do is talk about the beyond the cringe Kevin joined myself and Jim Moynan a couple of weeks ago this is that's going to be an audio podcast only so this is a different audience, the YouTube people and the. The audio podcast people. But beyond the cringe. Can you tell us a little bit about that and what can people expect when that comes out in a couple weeks?
• 45:10
  Speaker B: Yeah, I thought it was a really interesting show, actually. So this is Jim Monaghan's podcast and the idea behind it was basically to. To take apart the idea of the Scottish cringe, which is that concept of people being kind of ashamed of Scottish identity, or Scottish identity being something that, you know, you don't want to see reflected back at you. So we really got into to that conversation and talked a lot about it through the prism of art and music, obviously politics. Lots of other stuff coming up as well. So it was a really interesting conversation. Myself and who else? Custom Ennis was in and Grant McPhee as well. So it was. Yeah, a really interesting conversation. And people should check out the podcast when it comes out. I don't know when that is, but when it comes out, you should have a list.
• 46:06
  Speaker A: It's up to me. It's up to me. What's up, dude?
• 46:11
  Speaker C: The editing.
• 46:12
  Speaker A: Jim wanted a few piled up before we released them, but we did another one last week as well. I ended up being a substitute for a guest that could make it. And they're really good. I think that's three. I think we've got three in the bag now. Plus an exclusive interview with Jim talking about the. The concept beyond the cringe. It's probably just going to come on. You call that radio's channel and it's going to be like one every week for about four weeks before part season. So, yeah, look out for that. It's going to be good. I think it's going to be good. How can people check out your music, Claire? If you go first.
• 46:49
  Speaker C: My music. They can. It's. You'll find it anywhere you listen to music. Just. There's no other. My Maeros. So just type that in to Apple or Spotify or Bandcamp. Go to Bandcamp or My website's my mamero.com and I've got. Yeah. An album.
• 47:08
  Speaker A: Sign up for the newsletter.
• 47:09
  Speaker C: Please sign up for the newsletter because we need to like, you know, social media is about to. Well, it is on fire. So we need to go back to the old ways of communicating with each other. Yeah.
• 47:21
  Speaker A: Like the good old days.
• 47:23
  Speaker C: Yeah. And I give people cheap tickets and little small things. I can. If you're on the mailing list. If you're on the mailing list, you can get cheap tickets to our gig next week. I think there's still some reduced tickets available, so people should please come to that. We've been working really hard. I think it is going to be a really good night.
• 47:41
  Speaker A: Well, I've got. I'm going to play Shall We Rest Just now, if you want.
• 47:45
  Speaker C: That's my favorite.
• 47:46
  Speaker A: That's my favorite. And it was voted number three by the listeners. If you call that radio is the best song of 2023.
• 47:54
  Speaker C: I think that's so nice.
• 47:57
  Speaker A: So tell us about this song and I'll spin and then I'm going to speak to Kevin and we'll. We'll play a song from Kevin as well.
• 48:06
  Speaker C: Yeah. So Shall We Rest? Is a song to just. I wrote it. Well, I'm in my head a lot and I. I have a lot of, like, you know when you're sitting, trying to make your dinner or you're having a shower, you're just trying to have a nice time, and your brain starts just like, trying to tell you, I don't know, all the ways you might die tomorrow or all the terrible things you've ever done in your life or, you know, what you should be ashamed of or just, you know, when your brain really gets at you. So this was a song I wrote for myself and to anyone else who suffers from this to just tell me to chill out. Just stop doing that if I can. It's called Shall We Rest?
• 48:56
  Speaker E: Shall we rest Just a little Unite Lie down on the tall grass Watch the birds as they whis past There's a patchwork stone wall over there he's saying he could shield us farther Spend just about enough fighting phantoms for one day and I have died a thousand violent ways shall we take a breath, you and I Watch the yellow weed shiver in the morning light and we'll dip our tail toes and the cold, cold Irish sea In the hopes that we'll give you a shock Bring you.
• 50:24
  Speaker C: Back to me.
• 50:31
  Speaker E: Further Spend just about enough fighting phantoms for one day and I have died a thousand violent way but we're here in the breeze and the birdsong Here with the nosy coys on the hillside Telling me we're all right we're here and the tide is rising around us when it is high it'll hide us for the inking in your chest it's great for things Imagine the twisting in your stomach Beautiful time legend Come on, that's just about enough. I gym phantoms for one day and I have died a thousand violent ways but we're here in the breeze and the birdsong Here with the nosy toys on the hillside Telling me we're all right we're here and the tide is rising around us when it is high it'll hide us we're here in the breeze and the birdsong Here with the nosy cars on the hillside Telling me we're all right we're here and the tide is rising around us when it is high it'll hide us.
• 53:07
  Speaker A: Heavy METAL VERSION Coming soon yeah, it's really.
• 53:12
  Speaker C: The new stuff's really different, but.
• 53:16
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 53:17
  Speaker C: Oh no. Take that off.
• 53:24
  Speaker A: Okay. That's a good. That's a good bit though in the album. Spotify's killing that as well. This the skits thing because you need to put a skit at the end of a song now you kind of put at the start because people want to give you 10 or 20 seconds.
• 53:39
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 53:40
  Speaker A: And you can't have a random one minute skit in the song because people. It will just recommend that song. Or someone just picks a song at random.
• 53:49
  Speaker C: Yeah, that's why had to do that. Yeah.
• 53:52
  Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. I. To do that for the new album as well. I don't like it and I didn't want to put SK in brackets either. It also. It killed the. Another thing annoys me. Spotify killed the album. It's actually a lyric in the new album that it will be on Spotify eventually, I'm sure. Hell. But they killed the secret track.
• 54:12
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 54:12
  Speaker A: Because you didn't see it. Remember, you should go silent at the end for the last song and then something. But that's gone as well. What can we do? What can we do? I mean, what I'm. I think I'm going to do is you only get to hear the album if you buy it in band camp or you buy a CD or a vinyl for a while. How long can I do it without flinching? That's what I'm thinking. And I'm just gonna. Well put a new single today called the Catch on Spotify. But it's not all about me. It's tough because I want. Ideally I want everyone to listen to the album. It's a one thing. But you've got to get the hype going for the album. She cannot do that. So what I'm upline is I'm gonna. I've got another single. The actual. I mean it's a bit of a weird song ever as a single. I know that. But the. The second verse goes on way too long. But I was like, just why am I cutting this? Just because it should be shorter. I Just thought, no, I'm gonna keep that weird second verse long. But the next song is a fancy man and that comes out on the 12th of March or something and I should have a music video. And it's actually got a nana, a sing along nana. But so it's an actual real single. It's coming out soon, so don't worry, I've not lost my mind. We have got a song. We've got one and it's coming next month, but. And the only way you're going to hear the album is if you actually pay for the album. And then I'll probably flinch because you've got, if you've got an album, you just want everyone to hear it. And unfortunately, most people listen to it on Spotify. What are we going to do, Kev? How do we fix this?
• 56:05
  Speaker B: I mean, we don't, to be honest. Unless there's the fall of capitalism, then it's going to just keep on getting worse because people are now completely trained to think that music is something that they have for free, that it's something that they are given and that they need to be given new music regularly. And it, you know, I, I totally get it. And some people are doing the, the thing where they put a single every month or whatever. It's. No, for me. I, I came from the, you know, the, the album being sacred and it still is for me. I still think of it as a whole piece of art. You know what I mean? It's that thing of, you know, I make hourong shows and it's like you have to take people on a journey throughout that show. It's the same with an album. You have to take your listener on a journey from track one to track 10, 12, whatever it is, and, and give them ups and downs and give them, you know, the, the story bit by bit and build up an idea of, of what you want them to feel and, and how you want them to kind of look at the world after they finished listening to it. So, yeah, I think I'm fair play to the young ones who are kind of gaming the algorithm and doing what they need to do to, to get the music out there. But I'm going to stick with my guns and, and keep on making the art that I want to make. And that for me is, is the album.
• 57:40
  Speaker A: Would it be okay to do an ironic TikTok dance if we're doing it ironically?
• 57:46
  Speaker C: Wait, is that your plans, Mark? You got one?
• 57:48
  Speaker A: I've thought about it. I was talking to Joe about it the other day and she was talking about as well, actually. Of course, we're that old that we think that that would, you know, we're like, oh, tick tock. Five years late or something. I've heard of this Tick tock. I probably don't even dance anymore on Tick Tock.
• 58:06
  Speaker B: I mean, this is the thing, right? See, whatever the thing is just now, whatever the cool thing is, you don't know it. We don't know it. We would. We would know it for six months to a year. Then it won't be cool anymore.
• 58:18
  Speaker A: Skippity toilet. Is that not something about skippity toilet? Yeah, that's probably cringe now, isn't it? That's.
• 58:27
  Speaker B: I don't even know what that is.
• 58:30
  Speaker C: Well, there was. Yeah, there's skibidi. Means a thing. Yeah. I watched some tick tocks where like. Yeah. Parents and their children were like, this is so embarrassing. Their parent be like, cool and their child would say a word that I didn't know. I think you're right. I'm not. I give. I. I've never been cool. So I'm just giving up now. I'm just doing what I want.
• 58:52
  Speaker B: Yes.
• 58:52
  Speaker C: But it is, but it is sad because you do put a lot of work into making a thing and it, it is nice when people hear it.
• 59:00
  Speaker A: Yeah. My social media for the catch was. Sorry, that's the vape. The vape's getting to me. Yeah. I caught a flying banana at Lindisfan a few years ago, so I thought there's some. That would have been viral a couple years ago. It did go viral actually, but this time it didn't. It's just not. It's just what, 20 likes in Facebook?
• 59:27
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 59:28
  Speaker A: The band pages is absolutely nails to get anything, you know, I mean, you need, you need, you need to have something that's going to cause a reaction. You need something political and Facebook.
• 59:40
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 59:42
  Speaker A: Or a story about something embarrassing happening to you that'll get you likes, you know, that'll work. Instagram, I mean, I, I waited too long to start an Instagram for the band. I was just sick of having too many social media platforms and refused to do it. And then in the last few months I've started to ban Instagram and we've got 300 followers or something. But you know, we've got about 6,000 Facebook, but nobody in Facebook sees it, so what's the point? And you call that radio's got a new Instagram. I think we got about 300 in a month. Because I was sharing other people's things like you know, I think I pop a video, you, Claire, and I think it's easier to build something like that.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker C: Yeah. The thing is, you're still playing shows, you want to play and you have a fan base. So, like, I think we have to take all this social media stuff with it. It's not the only way to do it. Like, if you're playing gigs and people are coming and I don't.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker A: I don't really like. I don't really like playing gigs anymore either, though. But I just. I think I had a couple of bad experiences. But it was fun to play. And Dumfries on January, I think that's maybe cured me because I played the gigant Dumfries, Claire was on keyboards. And you know, that way where you. It's almost like the worst thing happened because everybody hated us and everyone left. And that felt really good for me because, like, you just worry that it's going to be bad and then it turns it's all right. Yeah, obviously I'd rather it went really well, but I hate it when it goes all right, love. I love, love the people leaving.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker B: Yeah, totally. There's. See, being hated by a room. It makes you feel alive. I love it.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker A: It's the best one was getting booed by about 800 wrestling fans as I fell over a rope. That's proper, that. That was proper hatred in the crowd's eyes that day as I shouted, get a job, get a job, get a job at them. And I don't think I'll ever get that feeling back. That was, you know, where our bass guitarist John McCrory at the time was scared. It was his first gig. But, yeah, I think that was quite good. And also I did that gig without even a beer. Not even one.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker A: So I think that was quite good. To sort of embrace the. The fear as everybody hates you. That was quite good. So I feel like maybe like you said, you know, like we're just talking about the fringe not going so well. So then you enjoy the tour. Maybe that means that on March 29, actually Glasgow tickets on sale now. The album lunch. There will be people that will enjoy it. And I'm like, this is actually really good.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker C: Yeah, there will be. But also people didn't all hate you. You had. That's.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker A: You're.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker C: That's not true, Mark. You're making yourself out to be more of a badass than you are. Like, there was definitely two rows of people who loved it.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker A: Two, two, two rows. Right, okay, let's not exaggerate. Let's not exaggerate here.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker C: 10 people.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker A: 10 people loved it. It was. There was 300 people in that room when we started. You know, I mean it was 300 people. The only people that loved us in that room was. There's a couple of fans that turned up at half eleven a night in the middle of Storm, whatever it was called. But it was the mad Storm. But the only people that really loved us was the people that worked that was tidying up because this is great. They were all put tiding the tables up early and everyone got to go home at midnight rather than probably half 12 it would have taken to tidy up with it. But I mean, I don't take that personally because it was just. We were not the right. The right band at the wrong place or the right band at the wrong time. Yeah, we'd been on. We'd been on. We'd run after. We're on a Buns night. It was a really nice Buns night. It wasn't an alternative Buns night. It was proper Rabbi Buns night. It was fiddles acapella, female vocalists, incredible singing burn songs and Michelle McManus hosting, you know, wow, mellow party. John McMustard was doing a great folky type vibe and yeah, it was just a good Buns night. And then we just ruined it. We just ruined the whole vibe. And I did kind of enjoy it a wee bit. Yeah. Because it's like the worst happens and it didn't matter.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker A: You can buy our album if you catch me at the bus stop. I've waited no more than 10 minutes for a bus and I'm in a good mood. Says I know with Frankenstein. I think it's Joe. You check out Frankenstein's album. I think you get it on band camp as well. If you don't want to go. What? Try and find them in random buses. But it's a great tunes show. It's only Frankenstein. I get all my tech talks on Instagram. Like a grown up meeting.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker B: Yep.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker A: It's the.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker C: Thank you.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker A: I have tried. I have tried. It's not. I'm too cool for Tick Tock either. I'm. Took me a couple years but then every time I post. Well, let's see. I put up my. The same video that I put up earlier. Let's see how it did. Kevin, I've got. I've got Big Astrology for Beginners. Do you want to give us an introduction to that? Yeah, I've got the video version actually. I've managed to.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker B: Amazing. Yeah. So this is. This was the first single of the the new album. It's called How I Won the Culture War. And this song told Astrology for Beginners. It's kind of about the idea that loads of people are really kind of fixating on astrology just now. And I think partly the reason we're doing that is because we are losing control of our own lives because of world events and we've got less money, cost of living, all that kind of stuff, and we're looking for something bigger to. To make sense of it all. But I also think that part of that is people kind of giving up on being responsible for their own actions and saying, listen to me, it was, you know, Taurus was in Capri sun or whatever. So yes, this is a song about that. And if we're watching the video, then you'll enjoy my performance alongside the brilliant Karen Dunbar, who was in the video with us as well.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker F: The sky Translate the moon now still be here in the dark Track the sun Transcribe the star Tell me please what to feel to the sun how do you expect me to react? Tired of being tied to expectation Trade your guilt for liberation Absolve responsibility to the universe Share my soul with a billion others I am tied Tied to my brothers Something somewhere is in that Renzo grave Cross the crooked ham with silver Tell me what that I want to hear and stick for the cycle Living a life full of fear Christ approaching Come with silver tell me what I want to hear and stick for the silver Cruel and live in.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker B: A.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker F: Life full of fear Something somewhere is retrograde Let the star tell me what I want to hear Let the stars tell me Let the stars tell me what I want to hear Christ the crooked pal with silver Tell me what I want to Living a life full of fear Cross the crooked Come with silver tell me what I want to hear Amnesty for the S Living a life Living.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker A: Kevin Pigall Day and the Glasgow Cross and if you want to see Kevin and My Mamero play both with both their bands, go to Old tears wrestlers on March 6th and Kevin I think kindly sent me a discount code which I've put in the comments here. So you get a discount ticket here for watching the show. Just click that link and I think you get. I get a half price or something, I'm not sure but I'm going to use that link myself because I'm want to check out the new sound from My Mamero and here the new album from Kevin Peak All Day and the Glasgow Cross also while I've got you we have. Hold on. I like stargazing. Astronomy and astrophysics. Yeah. What's going on tonight? The planetary parade. I think it's tomorrow. Or is it tonight there's going to be seven planets or nine planets. I don't know. I think there's a lot of planets in the sky. If you live somewhere rural with no light pollution, which kind of rules me out. But I hope that you get to see the planets. I hope that this stat, the sky stays clear for you and you get to take some medicinal mushrooms. That sounds good. And yeah, we've got the. A new single I'm gonna be finished with if. Sorry, I'll play. I'll finish with my. My single Gyro Baby's new single, the Catch, which is out on all platforms as of now. It came out this morning, so we'll just. Hopefully everyone plays it on Spotify or buy it on Apple or whatever. And then after that the rest of the album is going to be a band camp thing. So I want to invite you all to on Monday night to the listening party. So for the first time as we're talking earlier on, to me it's important and I think a lot of people still agree that it's important to listen album from start to finish. So in Monday night, the first time ever and probably for the last time for a while, you can listen to the album from start to finish. So let's see, here is the link. So that's it. If you click that link right now, there's a button to rsvp. Don't ask me what RSVP stands for. I think it's Latin for I'm gone. But that's where to listen. Our album 8:00 Monday. It's the album from start to finish. Dreams are mental. A lot of time, energy and monies went into making this as good as album as we could. And I think I'm proud. I think I need some validation first. But I feel like it's a good album. So please click that link and join us on Monday. It's free to listen and hopefully that inspires you to come along to the live gig on March 29th at Slay. We've already announced Ocean Views as support. We've got CCTV hosting a ski a scheming cipher where a few different rappers and then we've got another special guest. I can't tell you who it is yet, but that will be announced very soon. And then the after parties, half 10 to 3. If you want to stay out all night, you can but if you just want to stay for the first hour. Because the first hour is Yoko Pono's mobile disco. And they're incredible. They're going to be doing a DJ set with live fiddles and they're amazing. So I'm absolutely delighted that they're going to be joining us as well. So that's March 29th for the big launch. But come along at the free listening party on Band camp on Monday, 8 o'clock. I hope you can make it for that. And I'm going to just play the tune, the new one, if that's what I use. Guys.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker D: Spun and fuzzy brought down to earth I was roundhouse kicked well founded Getting punched about once per month helps me keep well grounded. Overall I'm more well rounded Link up the subconscious with the odd knockout Bless thyself with wisdom didn't let me Shut up I beg stuff to we don't know much about snow Chase the D of joy that can make me naive and I know that dreams are mental But I still choose to believe.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker B: Catch.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker D: A dream, you're at your death with a fresher brace fashion neck Wearing boots up to your neck get those feet under the desk. We are here for what is next we are here for what is next we are here for what is next My world is built of a paper.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker A: Straw man Tough to tell these days.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker D: Who'S truly in your core not I stood up for few I flew into the eye I rescued dog from fire so today well, why can't I What the siren sores through my earlobes with anemo PTSD A D H D O C D Seesaw as hard as I try today I can't even leave the flat foot landlocked by the landlord and I tide the wave of panic the psychic spike of heartbeat palpitations how can I complain when bombs rain down on nations the perfect early sunrise can sweep Seals are miss A bright door in the sky bringing bread or certain day catch a dream you're a young day with a fresher brace Fresh in there where it puts up to your neck get those feet out of the desk. We are here for what is next we are here for what is next we are here for what is next Gallop I show gallop, watch me gallop away gallop star jump gallop watch me gallop away gallop See me gallop singing Gallop away away gallop star jump gallop Watch me star jump away can he start?
• 1:18:55
  Speaker A: Jump away, star jump away A perfect star jump is landing in the same position it is an underutilized mode of.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker D: Transport, but you tend to land in.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker A: The same destination as you left from. Which is why there's Nick use.