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Sonia Benito! Brand Campaigns, Dance and Modern Magic #237 · The Magic Guys

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  They're guys. They do magic. They are the Magic Guys.
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  Ah, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to episode 237 of the Magic Guys. This is crazy.
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  To my left, I've got Nick Kay. Hi guys, I'm Nick Kay and the other guy is Josh Nabito. Say hi.
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  I'm Josh Nabito. What's up everyone? we're
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  here we're live we're doing some magic and you know the podcast this is the
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  magic guys where we interview amazing guests and talk about our lives as professional
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  magicians and we hope you come along for the ride nick i'll be seeing you this
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  weekend my friends in melbourne i'm excited.
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  Yeah it's been a while since dr and i've shared a stage together but if you
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  are in melbourne town please take it upon yourself to come and scope out the
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  melbourne theater of magic we have two shows The 4.30 show sold out. Totally sold out.
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  There is limited tickets for the second show, which is at 7.30 p.m.
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  If you want to have a good time and you want to see some of the best light of
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  hand that Australia has to offer, Josh Nubito is going to be there,
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  so he's going to deliver.
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  So make sure you are there. And if you are not there, too bad. But you know who is here?
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  Our friends in the chat. Guys, thank you for being here. We have Scotty Link. We have 90 Day Fiancé.
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  We have Ed. Good to see you, buddy. Ed is just saying how happy he is buying
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  We have Seth. Haven't seen that face in a while. Good to see you.
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  Tim Askin. And of course, our good friend, the Magic Buzz, all the way from Canada.
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  Guys, thank you for being here in the chat. If you do have any questions, pop them in there.
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  You can ask our wonderful and lovely guest today whatever questions you may
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  have, which I think, if there's not anything else to talk about,
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  we might just jump straight into it. What do you think?
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  Absolutely. Come see us on the weekend, buy tickets, and now to the main event, ladies and gentlemen.
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  To the main event. Friends, this morning, evening, or whatever time it is on
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  your side of the planet, is an incredible magician originally from Spain and
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  now based in London, known for blending elegance with an urban edge.
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  Our guest exfuses magic, movement, and visual artistry in a way that feels fresh and modern.
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  She's performed internationally and worked with some of the biggest brands and
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  continues is to push the boundaries of what magic can look like.
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  And it is my pleasure to show you what this beautiful, creative,
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  sexy process can look like with our lovely guests.
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  Please join me in welcoming Sonia Bonito.
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  Sonia Bonito.
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  Hey,
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  hola sonia please tell our friends who are you and what do you do hola hola
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  my name is sonia and i'm a magician yes what yeah you know what that is all
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  that's needed you know that is we are a magician yeah,
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  now that is such an understatement you have so many more amazing talents than
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  that And I'm going to jump straight into it because when we first met, I had no idea.
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  We had met actually over breakfast. It was me and a bunch of others.
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  And it was such a pleasure to meet you. We've been fans of yours for so, so long.
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  I first come across you watching your beautiful visual magic on the social media
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  platform of Instagram, of course.
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  And you explained how so much of your influence has to do with dance.
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  Tell us about like your dance background, what that looks like and what came first, magic or dance?
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  So, my dancing came first because I started dancing ballet when I was six years old.
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  And magic started when I was 14.
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  But then it kind of leveled up. So I was just being at the same time.
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  I was doing magic and I was dancing at the same time.
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  But I was a ballerina at the beginning with ballet.
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  I used to hate it. And my mom went, you need to go to ballet because my feet
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  were going a little bit more inside.
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  So there you go. and then like one
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  of my foot was going a tiny bit inside and
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  then I was just I got really good at it and I had like the conditions for a
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  ballet dancer and then I continued but then on when I was like when I moved
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  to Madrid and I was 18 yeah I was like I discovered the world of hip-hop,
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  and I discovered like international like choreographers and everything and I
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  was like oh my God, what is this?
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  And that's when the next year I was like, if I can live in Madrid for this money,
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  I can go to London. And I was like.
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  Bye and since then i'm here in terms
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  of hip-hop dancing because we were just talking backstage and and
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  we both were watching hip-hop dancing and
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  getting into it when we were younger and in australia we
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  were what i was watching a lot of american tv like america's
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  best dance crew and so you think you can dance yeah is
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  that what you're watching too or did you have different influences
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  of hip-hop dancing because because i'm
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  from a very small city in spain when i was
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  little the only influence about not even
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  like dance i think it's about music is whatever
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  i will see just whatever is out there but it was
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  like very alien for me and i was like oh my god like hip-hop
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  and it was like movies like honey the
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  oh yeah the movies right step
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  step up yeah like all those
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  all those movies i was like what is this i wanted
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  to replicate that but i didn't have the tools i was like how can
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  he dance like that because in in spain everything
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  is kind of like just like they just like everything
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  and he's very diluted like he's not hip-hop he's street dance and i'm like yeah
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  like what is that and he's yeah so so that's kind of what do you ask okay i'm
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  gonna throw a movie at you what about did you did you in in spain did you get
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  the movie you got served?
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  So that's the one I watch like I thought in internet when the internet started
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  I was like I downloaded it in a fucking very small.
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  And I was like what is this yeah I didn't even know that that even existed and
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  then yeah when I moved to London I was like wow I mean I kind of knew before
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  when I was in Madrid Madrid opened my eyes a lot,
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  And I was like, this is too small. Yeah. I mean, when I saw London,
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  that I don't speak any English, but it's okay.
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  Yeah. I mean, yeah, music is universal. So, you know, if you can dance,
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  then it doesn't matter when you're meeting other people doing the same thing.
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  And Nick, did you watch You Got Served? And if not, I know what we're doing
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  on Saturday night after the show.
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  I guess we're watching You Got Served. That's a dance movie.
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  I thought it was nice in FaceTime.
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  I literally thought it was a documentary about
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  working at mcdonald's i had no idea it was about dance and
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  yeah i thought it was the sequel to supersize me i
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  had no idea no rocket world what i'm curious about is
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  everything we're talking about is very movement based and a lot of
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  people don't think about that when it comes to performing on stage
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  either with the way they walk or the way they hold themselves do you
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  ever look at this is a question for both of you really but do
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  you guys ever look at someone and just be like that guy
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  needs to learn how to move he needs to learn how to walk or
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  have you looked at someone like that that's very mean
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  yeah i look at it i look at it the opposite i look at people and go ah that's
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  a dancer like you can spot ah yeah yeah i i that's very very mean but no that's
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  kind of like a like a mom thing to say or that joke oh i don't know And my mom will be like,
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  be a straight. And I'm like, no, mom, I'm gay.
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  That's great. Okay. What I mean is it's scarring.
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  Like there's, there's this, I don't know how many people, you know,
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  but I like, I, I have young people that I mentor and like, just when you just
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  meet people, they're like, they're like mouth breathers.
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  Do you know what I mean? Cause they don't know how to hold themselves because
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  they haven't done anything where they need to, like I did Taekwondo for example.
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  Right. And I did that for many years. is kickboxing and taekwondo.
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  So I know what it means to hold straight and to look disciplined and to like
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  be able to hold yourself as a person. But you mean some people that like,
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  the shoulders are forward, the neck is forward, they breathe through their mouth.
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  And it's like, just poise, poise.
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  And you can poise as a dancer, like, you know how to hold yourself before you do something.
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  And I feel like a lot of performers, if they don't understand that principle,
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  it's just a little detrimental to the way you represent yourself.
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  Yeah, that's the thing. That's the key, just what you said.
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  I think being a dancer, I think it does, maybe for us, because it's so in our body already,
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  you know how to change your body and like for example if you're on a performance
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  on stage you already will have automatically more presence because you know
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  how to present yourself you know how to use your body.
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  In like years obviously on training with your
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  body and learning choreography or or just i
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  don't know every dancer when i was i started
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  with ballet because i started with ballet but i think if i would have been
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  in london it wouldn't be ballet the first thing i have to say you know
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  but i think even though like hippo dancers take ballet
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  just because it just helps with posture it helps
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  with like it has a let's just say helps with technique at
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  the end of the day it's like for us like half a sleight of
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  hands it helps you to do magic at the end of the day you don't
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  have to but it helps you but it's well you know that's probably something that
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  i'm just going to generalize but i feel like that's not a thing we magicians
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  consider when constructing a routine is our posture at that moment in different
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  phases, especially on stage.
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  Like, what are your thoughts on how you should or could approach thinking about
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  what your body's doing during a routine?
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  Like, does it have to do with what you're trying to express or like...
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  You know, does that make sense? Like, what are your thoughts when you see people
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  on stage or you're consulting or when you think about a routine,
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  you're like, all right, I want to be more opened up in this part.
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  So I need to do this or like, I'm just going to drink my coffee.
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  There's a lot of things that are going on. So if I, if it would be for a stage,
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  if I see someone else on a stage and I don't know, in general,
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  when I see someone performing on a stage, they're usually fine.
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  Because at the end of the day, if you're selling whatever story you are,
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  I don't think you really need maybe for magic if you are talking or not.
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  I don't think maybe you need such a presence on like with your body, maybe.
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  But if you are not talking, then yeah.
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  But in general, what I'm seeing, professionals usually have good like presence.
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  What I find that is more interesting is like when someone stands out, then you see it.
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  And it's like, oh, there's something about you. And I think it's just that maybe
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  they have some like dance background or they work with their bodies somehow.
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  I think you see it more. Or maybe if you're not conscious about it,
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  maybe it's something that it makes them stand out a little bit.
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  For me, when I choreograph a person, it comes natural and more in the camera.
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  Because when as a dancer, you know, Josh, when I don't know,
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  you have so many fields, right? So me, I'm mainly a hip-hop dancer,
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  a commercial dancer, and a freestyler. So...
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  And within hip hop, it is, you do like, you can do like popping, locking.
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  I'm not a locker, but I dance salsa as well, a lot.
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  So I like to kind of have different venues in dance.
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  So the more versatile, the better, but you also have to have your niche.
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  With my niche in the dance world is a freestyler.
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  Because I like to feel free.
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  That's why me having different vocabularies of everything, I can mix it all up.
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  Because i know yeah i think deep down we're all freestyle dancers i mean let's be real.
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  Prove it i bet you
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  wish you were watching this on youtube this is what the freestyle nick
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  looks like you gonna regret listening for this on the drive home now we have
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  we look the chat's starting to light up with some questions let's go to throw
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  one at you the first one is a weird one we're going to throw it at you it's
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  from 90 day fiance the question is are you a snyder fan or a james gun fan and
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  which inspires your magic more don't give a shit,
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  that's what I thought she's not a dork okay moving on next question from the
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  amazing Dalton Wayne which we are big fans of good to see you Dalton thanks
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  for being here question to you is most overrated coin move and most underrated coin move.
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  Underrated maybe a retention a retention I don't know like the normal one,
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  I use it a lot and it's just falling as hell yeah yeah the most basic stuff
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  that works I think I can't think anything of now but overrated is,
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  what coin magic is overrated like
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  we people talk about all the time but maybe don't use or
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  isn't needed i guess is what they're saying hey so i
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  think underrated i mean underrated would be like a hand wash for example just
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  like being out of time why would you yeah um and also okay i don't like this
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  but it's fine this is my opinion uh like when you just show your hands like this,
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  i'm empty yeah i mean did you see every magician empty.
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  Okay it worked for you great but for me i feel very awkward be like and disappears bye,
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  what's this called in bobo's is this called the the wtf convincer like yeah
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  like i get it but Like, sometimes I think we're so over-convinced.
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  I'm like, that's it. Okay, I think my answer is the same move for both of them.
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  So, underrated, just a casual hand wash as you're turning is underrated.
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  But then overrated is when it starts,
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  the video starts, and you're wearing glasses, and they're like this.
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  They're like adjusting. And then they're like, and then they're like.
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  Oh, the sleeves, maybe. Maybe that's overrated.
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  I'm going to say the most underrated is the French drop because you can do it
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  in so many different ways to make it look a lot more natural like a very open
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  one like this that's still a French drop but it just looks a lot more open and natural,
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  and I think that's underrated you can do some nicer stuff with it and the overrated I feel like,
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  coin shells i'm gonna say i'm gonna say the jw grip,
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  really yeah i'm gonna go yeah i'm just gonna say it oh i got a nicer one i have
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  to say that i do a lot i mean that's the one i do i don't i don't do that one i'm shit with him sorry,
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  i don't do it at all because he's so uncomfortable because i learned the other
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  one for me and he for me he's a bit cleaner but yeah it has the glasses with
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  josh that you said you glasses yeah The whole, you know, it's holding that JW. Yeah.
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  People start commenting, you should get better glasses if you always have to adjust them.
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  Why not start the video after you've already adjusted it? Why start with a,
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  you know, it's funny when you think about it from a layman perspective.
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  You don't have to start like that. You just have to just do it.
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  But at some point, I do the same. I'm really like, wait, but I think I need to show my hands empty.
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  No, but I think I need to show the back of my hands too.
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  And I'm like, sometimes I'm like, you know what? I'm just going to do it.
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  And then there'll be that magician that he's not, there's no professional magician, obviously.
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  And I'm like, well, you did not show the back of your hands.
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  I'm like, buddy, you know, magic is, you know, it's not that who cares.
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  Yeah. So we have a question here from Tim Askin. You did mention that you got
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  into magic when you were 14, but how did you get into magic at 14?
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  Oh, so I'll do it if you want a little brief, because it's a long story.
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  So in my city, it's a very, very small called Palencia, and there is nothing, literally nothing.
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  There was no magic or anything like that, but the city next to mine,
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  that is a bit bigger, they'll do a week of magic in summer.
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  So my dad took me there because he likes magic.
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  And then they're like, I saw, do you know Jorge Blas from Spain? Of course.
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  Yes, thank you. No, sorry. I don't know what that word is. I thought you should.
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  But I like it. It's okay. Maybe you're not. It's fine. No, Juan Tamariz, I saw Jorge Blas.
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  He's just very known on TV. And he's been on TV for a long time. So he had a deaf act.
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  And I love animals. And I love birds. So I was like, oh, my God.
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  So I fell in love with that act.
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  And then I bought some magic on the stands.
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  One of the shops called Tienda Magia, which is magic shop.
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  In English. that's the only one i could get magic from
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  and i have to say and sean is
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  gonna laugh about this anyway when i'll say
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  later on just in case i forget remind me
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  yeah about what sean's gonna laugh sean from
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  penguin well he actually has
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  a question so we'll get to him next that's why i'm like
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  so yeah so i bought a few tricks and i
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  have a village as well i have a garden in my
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  city and to have a flat in the city a garden
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  in the village so I started to put a
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  show together so I did like a 30 minutes with magic and things it was it was
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  more geeky though it was just more like cheesy and and another 30 minutes with
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  audience so they could interact and stuff like that so that's I started to be
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  honest putting a show together and after that I went to a talent show,
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  And I became a finalist. And from there, I started working. That was when I was 15 years old.
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  And then I started working, doing shows around my area, around my region.
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  And I met a teacher that was retired in my school who was into magic and everything.
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  He just taught me a little, you know the trick of Juan Tamariz with the car and it goes around?
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  Yeah, he taught me that thing. I mean, I used it once.
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  Once more than me. He had just like some stage props from Daft Magic.
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  So I was just jamming with him and then one day passed away.
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  And the teachers told me that he wanted me to have all his magic. So he gave me that. Wow.
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  It was very sweet. And I have all his stage. I have still the props and everything.
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  That's what I'm hoping will happen when Nick dies.
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  Next week.
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  No, no, I'm just saying Because Nick has a lot of fun things that he's built
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  And I've seen the containers And that's all, that's all I'm saying Anyway,
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  sorry Yeah, yeah, that's all Wow.
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  And yeah, basically they gave me Like he has dubs Like he had dubs,
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  she dubs And I kept them And I trained them And funny story One of them laid
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  an egg on me Oh, that's awesome Wow,
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  Very sweet making so comfortable with someone that you can like give birth on
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  them that's crazy yeah they've all seen it so wow,
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  wow so learning dog magic in the beginning that's so that's,
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  So unique and also very different and not something that you see today,
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  people working with doves now.
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  I mean, I heard you talking on another podcast. It's not something you really
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  agree with and continue doing now.
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  But I mean, just having learned that must be so useful now.
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  Yeah, like because of that, yeah, a lot of stuff.
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  I was like, oh, but I can use this that we used to use with dove magic and stuff like that.
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  Because a dove act is essentially being
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  able to make things of that size appear
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  from nowhere so using those same techniques can
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  be used for i imagine other things shoes bags scarf
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  you know any anything colorful and a decent size oh so that this was the funny
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  not funny story but again because by then i when i was 15 i think is when maybe
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  the internet was starting if i'm 35 more or less so they.
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  I was just trying to find magic online, so I found this website that I thought was spam.
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  Find me magic.
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  Sorry, Sean. It looked like freaking spams. I was like, I'm not sure.
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  I didn't speak in English as well, so I was like, and it was a lot of things
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  going on. I was like, ooh, I'm not sure if I'm in the right place.
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  And I just It's like Bazar Magia, which is an anti-demon.
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  Wow. We have a ton more questions lining up in the chat. We're going to have
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  to smash through these ones.
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  The first one is from your friend, Sean. We've been chatting about.
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  Hello, Sean. Thanks for being here. He says, great podcast, guys.
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  Thank you, Sean. Question for Sonia.
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  Favorite Penguin Magic employee?
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  Oy, oy, oy.
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  Hmm.
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  Can I choose four? Go on.
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  Yeah, nice. Clever. It's a clever answer. It's almost as if you're working with
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  them at the moment or something. I am.
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  Amazing. Amazing. Can we ask this question, Nick? I think there's a controversial
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  question that's always fun to bring up and get people's opinions.
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  What do you think of the state of magic today with the internet revealing so
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  much from our friend at Kolotripa?
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  That's how many guests.
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  Okay. So this is something that I told a few friends.
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  At the beginning, I was like, no, what are you doing? Like, I think if you do it in a good way, good.
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  If not, if you're just revealing things for revealing, then no.
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  I mean, like, if you're revealing and you're revealing kind of,
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  like, simple things that everyone can learn and it's like, it is nice because
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  at the end of the day, you don't know who is going to get into magic.
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  And and if they are if that can just bring someone into magic but they are committed,
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  you know fine if you're just gonna reveal something
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  for the sake of use no obviously but I
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  think at the end of the day when you're revealing this
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  I think this is problem when it becomes so viral for the
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  sake of revealing something then I'm like I don't think it's cool but
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  if uh if for example you're revealing things
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  right or you're teaching or whatever but you
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  but it's free and at the
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  end of the day you're doing it in a nice way you're
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  kind of teaching but for free right so that's
• 23:37
  a that's a way of someone if someone got all the effort to try to find free
• 23:42
  tricks they probably want to learn magic no one is going for the sake of like
• 23:47
  how to do the corner of this car is like yeah i mean like it's a lot of effort
• 23:53
  and i think they will do it once and they're like,
• 23:56
  meh, or if they remember to do it.
• 23:59
  But if they do that, that means they're very interested. So I guess it's fine.
• 24:04
  I just don't like for the views.
• 24:06
  Yeah, I think it's what we're sort of saying is that there's a difference between revealing stuff.
• 24:11
  Yeah, well, the difference between like revealing stuff and exposing stuff.
• 24:15
  And I think that like that's, there might be a pretty thin line between them,
• 24:18
  but there is a very different outcome that comes from revealing versus exposure. Yeah.
• 24:24
  It's a fine line. Obviously, our good mate Doug from the podcast is a great teacher online.
• 24:30
  And I know when he started, he copped a lot of flack for teaching stuff that
• 24:35
  you would have to normally go to books for.
• 24:36
  But then you just see, like in his Discord, you know, the thousands of people
• 24:40
  that have now become magicians and are actually learning because the people
• 24:43
  that watched it are the ones wanting to learn.
• 24:46
  Like I say all the time, my fiance, she sees zero magic in her feed.
• 24:51
  Like she's not getting reveal videos pop up and going, oh, that's how you do.
• 24:54
  Like because she's not looking for it and so that's that's
• 24:58
  that's perfect yeah
• 25:02
  you wouldn't find that if you know
• 25:05
  if you're not looking for it and and
• 25:07
  then and then the other thing is when I do go to events and people have been
• 25:12
  looking at magic it in a way makes them appreciate what I'm doing more because
• 25:17
  they they can see a little bit which makes them feel like oh wow he's actually
• 25:21
  They're doing really crazy stuff because I know a little bit about what's happening.
• 25:28
  Yeah, my mind is changing a little bit about whether it's bad or not.
• 25:32
  And I think the people that just reveal it for revealing it,
• 25:35
  they quickly realize it doesn't bring them much joy eventually.
• 25:38
  Like they realize, oh, I'm not becoming this famous person because actually
• 25:43
  like it's limited to how much stuff I can reveal and no one's going to come
• 25:47
  and see me do a show for doing that.
• 25:48
  And at the end of the story, that's a good point as well, because I think the
• 25:54
  magic industry is so small that if you're doing that and you don't have the
• 25:57
  magic industry on your side, I'm not saying everyone, but at least on your side,
• 26:00
  you're losing on 80%.
• 26:05
  That's the first thing I wanted to have. I'm like, I need the magic industry
• 26:08
  to be on my side. I need a community.
• 26:11
  So then from there, you can just open because you never know.
• 26:16
  In your industry. That's what you need.
• 26:20
  Yeah. So I'd like to pivot the conversation to sort of talk about your style.
• 26:25
  And that next question from Sean actually is perfect for this.
• 26:28
  So as far as style, aesthetic, and like your philosophy,
• 26:32
  you've you've sort of been kind of someone who is elegant with an urban edge
• 26:36
  and it's very evident for anyone who's met you or you know had the pleasure
• 26:41
  of sharing breakfast with you for sure
• 26:42
  it's also led you to work with a lot of amazing brands in fashion
• 26:45
  so sean has a great question that sort of
• 26:48
  pivots off this which is who is your dream fashion brand
• 26:51
  to work with if you could choose actually tell
• 26:56
  us a little bit about like who you have worked with and who
• 26:59
  would be your dream perfect so i've
• 27:02
  been working for loads of the light mac cosmetics adidas nike uh what else samsung
• 27:11
  sky glass boxy and espresso rim in london i think more but i don't remember now oh monica,
• 27:22
  Devonaira, Miu Miu, Nick's.
• 27:25
  I'm working with them now.
• 27:27
  A few more. I don't know what else. Mary Lyle's Cookies.
• 27:35
  So we're talking about a lot of custom, original ideas to help sell the products from these brands.
• 27:43
  So we're talking things from consumer products to fashion at this point.
• 27:47
  Oh, Amazon as well. So, yes, it's basically, so a bunch of them is either I
• 27:52
  am the performer and the hand model and the consultant as well.
• 27:56
  Other ones, I'm just like the performer or just a hand double.
• 28:02
  Other ones can be, I am, that's like campaigns, like Sky Glass, it was a whole campaign.
• 28:09
  My Cosmetics was a campaign. Rima London was an advertising.
• 28:13
  So that's when I consult and I did with Cara, all the stuff. and the dancers in.
• 28:20
  Yeah like for example my cosmetics was a campaign that
• 28:23
  i did and i have to create the tricks for them and
• 28:26
  everything nicks that's what i'm doing now i have to create stuff for them monica
• 28:30
  venade was hand modeling but yeah it was hand modeling but it was more for like
• 28:35
  camera so there's a lot of stuff on camera like advertising and and the creativity
• 28:42
  create tricks that's kind of what i I mean,
• 28:45
  I enjoy everything branding just because it's so creative and you put your thing onto it.
• 28:51
  It's just not like, let me do a magic trick.
• 28:53
  Like I don't, depending on what the brand is, but I usually like to modify the products.
• 29:00
  I like to use the products like physical products, not just like this.
• 29:06
  I don't know.
• 29:07
  Which one do you want, Joey? I don't know. More physical changes, yeah.
• 29:11
  When you started getting into this
• 29:14
  type of work which is on camera kind of work customizing
• 29:18
  things for people listening i mean obviously there's
• 29:21
  one big thing which is people weren't just looking
• 29:24
  for a magician to to do this thing obviously they
• 29:27
  wanted sonia to do this because that was your brand you've
• 29:30
  sort of created but in the beginning like how did
• 29:33
  you come about doing this kind of
• 29:36
  work in in like for example did you have
• 29:38
  to create a like a video
• 29:42
  and send it to adidas for example of their shoe to pitch the idea of a magician
• 29:47
  doing stuff or was it something they were looking for and you had to audition
• 29:51
  like people who have creative ideas how do you sort of get to work creatively
• 29:55
  with brands so everything started with a samsung video that i had to do a 12 seconds take.
• 30:02
  On on magic moves but it was me and
• 30:05
  two other magicians one of the magicians he was more
• 30:08
  of a car district and but he's a director and and
• 30:11
  another guy I don't I don't remember his name but that
• 30:14
  job kind of broke everything and then make me like start working a lot because
• 30:20
  the way I acted it on the job because they were like we need to get this whole
• 30:27
  choreography that they had in 12 seconds so we had people obviously like the
• 30:32
  lighting and everything we had like,
• 30:34
  backgrounds so this was filmed from the top and then
• 30:37
  the sums were like falling like we had to kind of photograph the whole thing
• 30:41
  so I was like well I just spoke to the director's throw it to be like if you
• 30:46
  want this in 12 seconds we need to photograph so and I was like okay so I just
• 30:51
  took initiative and everyone was listening to be honest everyone was very open-minded
• 30:55
  and we kind to work together,
• 30:57
  but I was like, okay, so you're going to drop the phone in here,
• 30:59
  then okay, you're going to spin, like, I was the one spinning the phone,
• 31:03
  that's when, how was my signature move years ago.
• 31:07
  Then I got upset because I was like, you're doing the spin phone,
• 31:10
  you can't even find the spin phone on time.
• 31:14
  But it's because he couldn't, he couldn't do anything else. I was like,
• 31:17
  okay, you do the spin phone and I just do something else.
• 31:20
  So that, even though this is, this is very interesting because since that job,
• 31:26
  The director remembered me 10 years after.
• 31:30
  So she messaged me in COVID saying if I was available for a Doritos campaign
• 31:36
  thing, but it kind of fell down.
• 31:38
  And she's like, I remember you from Samsung, and I love your work,
• 31:42
  and I love the way that you do your magic and everything, and with choreography.
• 31:46
  So can we have you for this? But it kind of fell off, like dropped.
• 31:51
  But I did another work with her because she's like, you're an amazing hand model
• 31:56
  as well and you know how to use your hands so we did a project for her that
• 32:01
  she needed to so it was interesting but just,
• 32:04
  like I work a lot for word of mouth so that's how everything started and then.
• 32:11
  The way I got it I think it was like
• 32:14
  a guy just met me or something like that I
• 32:17
  don't remember the the director guy that is used
• 32:20
  to do cardistry I don't know how he got my contact and I was like okay cool
• 32:24
  but another one the one that kind of broke better it was when I did Dream in
• 32:29
  London that was like a 300 people audition so first we had like I just got it
• 32:35
  was dancers so dancers are utilized for everything at the end of
• 32:38
  like for like advertising like you
• 32:41
  for dancers you need to act you want
• 32:45
  to dance with this mascara you do anything so i was like so
• 32:48
  i just went to rim a london advert and they
• 32:51
  were like we want freestylers i was like sick and i
• 32:55
  went i went through on the first round
• 32:58
  and the second round they were like tense with
• 33:02
  the mascara and i was like i was like oh that's it i was like this is mine thank
• 33:09
  you but i mean i was very nervous because i was another friend of mine called
• 33:14
  kieran he's a tad he does touching fingers and he's a tata as well and a free and a sick freestyler.
• 33:21
  And and i was just with really really good people as
• 33:24
  freestylers and i was like oh my god i just
• 33:27
  went for it and i was like the director i love the director that i work with
• 33:31
  him like more for other jobs as well because he's just he's just so hyped like
• 33:35
  I love him he's like dense and I started to do some setting fingers with mascara
• 33:41
  and then because I knew some I started learning.
• 33:45
  Basically what I started to have in magic is with the sleight of hands because
• 33:48
  that was the cheapest thing that I could afford so I was like well I have a
• 33:54
  pen so I can make advantage.
• 33:56
  So I just put a lot of sleight of hands that I knew about pens,
• 34:01
  And I did that levitation thinking.
• 34:06
  It's such a secret weapon. Is there a brand? Let's put it out to the universe.
• 34:11
  Is there a brand that you're yet to work with that you really want to?
• 34:15
  So any high fashion brand, I'll say either Prada or I'll say Valenciaga.
• 34:21
  But Valenciaga, I know that they wouldn't hire anyone.
• 34:24
  Fendi, I'm okay with that.
• 34:27
  Any kind of trendy. But I have to say, I did say that, and then that's when I did Miu Miu this year.
• 34:35
  So I was like, Miu Miu opened the doors for me this year to be like, that's it.
• 34:40
  I really work for a high fashion brand. That means more fashion brands are high and can hire me.
• 34:49
  But yeah, no, with Miu Miu, I have a really good relationship.
• 34:53
  So hopefully more gigs with them will come in the future as well.
• 34:59
  But I'll say Prada Because it's Mew Mew,
• 35:03
  Clip it, put it out there To the universe If it happens, I'll be like Mick, Josh, what the fuck,
• 35:11
  With hand modeling Tim's asking 10 million Are your hands insured?
• 35:18
  No, I'm sure that I should Okay.
• 35:24
  I talked about it when I was doing my nails I do have manicures every two weeks I have to say.
• 35:30
  But I also work with the company that I have the manicure and my manicures because
• 35:35
  as a hand model, you don't, you're not allowed to have gels and stuff like that.
• 35:40
  But this is only why because people don't really understand about nails and
• 35:45
  they just go to really shit places to take them off.
• 35:48
  Obviously to the place I go, it is very expensive, but they do an incredible manicure.
• 35:54
  I give a promo in here, it's called dry by but they are really,
• 35:58
  really good. they do like Russian manicure, they don't,
• 36:01
  When they take the nails, they don't touch your nail bed.
• 36:06
  So the way I have gels just so I can keep them nice.
• 36:10
  So if I have a job, like a last-minute job, I just take them off at home. I do a manicure myself.
• 36:16
  Because I know how to do it. Nick and I are taking notes as we speak.
• 36:21
  Do you have good manicures? That's your first thing that people see.
• 36:27
  You know what? You're right, 100%. People I've noticed will comment on hands
• 36:32
  and shoes are things that people that I don't think they're noticing will notice
• 36:36
  and mention. So that's a really good point.
• 36:41
  Did you have to alter the way you learned techniques with having nails or jewelry
• 36:46
  on or like the way you would perform?
• 36:49
  Yeah, with jewelry, I wouldn't wear this ring. Or sometimes if I'm doing coins
• 36:56
  and I'm rolling my coin, I'm learning how to use it with the ring at the end of the day.
• 37:01
  Depends. I might not wear that many rings, but I use them like,
• 37:06
  oh, you think it's magnets, the ring? And it's not. It's just a little gag, but it's not.
• 37:12
  Oh, with nails. So I got used to, this is the length I have.
• 37:16
  I just have a tiny length. Let's say that's one centimeter.
• 37:20
  That's maybe five mil,
• 37:25
  this is long for me I wouldn't have them but I like this length I wouldn't have
• 37:29
  them that long because it does not with cards with cards it's fine but with
• 37:33
  coins it's a bit annoying because you don't have much of a grip like to do the
• 37:37
  classic the classic palm you can't I'm like it's very slippery,
• 37:41
  having nails is probably great when you're shooting cards out of the deck because
• 37:45
  you can easily grab the single card yeah.
• 37:51
  Yeah but yeah i didn't have them too long i don't have that long though,
• 37:55
  can i bring up this point now we mentioned off
• 37:58
  air and it started to get really interesting and then i realized we weren't
• 38:01
  live yet when sonja and nick
• 38:04
  were at magic live you guys were having a conversation about reading the room
• 38:08
  and how that can be really important as magicians and i i wasn't at that convo
• 38:13
  so it was really nice to hear some of that backstage but could you guys continue
• 38:17
  some of that here for me and for magicians to absorb.
• 38:23
  So what is reading the room in the context of magic, Sonia?
• 38:27
  I say do what is asked for.
• 38:34
  Set up the scene, set up the scenario. It's not all about you.
• 38:39
  There you go. I think that's what it is. As a magician, it's not all about you.
• 38:42
  It's about the audience and it's about what you're gonna give to the audience
• 38:46
  because at the end of the day this is what people not everyone again i'm generalizing but i,
• 38:53
  quite maybe I don't know a few maybe think that
• 38:56
  it's about then I'm like no magic you
• 39:00
  wouldn't do magic if there's not an audience you are juggling cards you are
• 39:04
  doing cardistry you are but I'm like I magic is to the experience so if I don't
• 39:10
  have someone that gets freaking blow their mind or they are enjoying it with
• 39:15
  me no and I didn't for for example for closer magic I think a stage,
• 39:19
  if the audience is not giving you much at the end of the day you can kind of roll with it,
• 39:25
  and keep performing but if you are roaming magic and the audience is not enjoying
• 39:30
  it, it's not with you and I'm like hey, if you not with me, I'm not doing anything
• 39:35
  in here like we both need to have fun so that's why,
• 39:39
  when I say read the room, I think in terms of jobs,
• 39:43
  this is because it's funny, it's just,
• 39:46
  someone just told me about a job it's a month in the show, I wouldn't mention,
• 39:50
  but they were like, why don't you,
• 39:53
  why you've not done this and this and this for this job? I'm like.
• 39:59
  Because they didn't ask for that. They're like, why do you not turn this into that?
• 40:05
  And I'm like, because they just wanted a fucking capsule to roll between the fingers.
• 40:10
  Yes, we can do miracles, and they know that, but they have 12 hours of a shoot,
• 40:16
  three days, and we just need to get this shot done.
• 40:19
  Do what you need to do, just get it done.
• 40:22
  Just speak to the director and shut up. They don't want to hear you.
• 40:26
  It is true, but I learned that with dancing.
• 40:32
  At the end of the day, you don't learn these things until you experience it
• 40:35
  because no one teaches us this.
• 40:37
  I wish someone was teaching me this when I was dancing, but you learn it through
• 40:42
  the, as everyone, as every performer at the end of the day.
• 40:45
  Everyone wants to hire a friend everyone wants
• 40:48
  to hire because in the sense of like
• 40:51
  let's say you do the exactly same move
• 40:55
  but my friend does it as well I hire my
• 40:57
  friend I'm saying my friend but
• 41:00
  I hire the person that I know already that I know is going to get the job done
• 41:04
  and it's easy and I and it's going to get a good vibe in shoot on or in campaign
• 41:09
  or whatever you're going to do that's why sometimes I think it's a bit more
• 41:12
  difficult not everything works the same but it does help the way you work, the way you give stuff.
• 41:19
  Like, yeah, the way kind of you act at the end of the day.
• 41:22
  Everyone can do a trick. But if you also give good energy and just shut up,
• 41:27
  just, you know, I don't know, like, again, it's not all about you.
• 41:32
  Sorry, I'm repeating myself.
• 41:36
  One of the things that we sort of discussed was that when some people can,
• 41:40
  like when they force their magic upon people, We're not realizing that what
• 41:44
  you, if you approach magic in this way, where if you were to get on stage and
• 41:47
  think that it's the audience's job to make you feel great about yourself,
• 41:51
  if that's where your standpoint is when you get on stage or perform in any sort
• 41:55
  of capacity, that is a very toxic and unhealthy way to approach magic.
• 42:00
  Because the true gift of magic is that it is a gift and it is your job to share that gift.
• 42:06
  And if you approach it with the mindset that if you are getting in front of
• 42:10
  people, you read the room so you know what to give them and you know what to
• 42:15
  share, or even if it's appropriate to share it at that time,
• 42:17
  it's going to work a lot better for you.
• 42:19
  Because ultimately, once you share the magic, they can receive it in any way they like.
• 42:24
  They might want to clap. They might want to cheer. They might want to,
• 42:26
  you know, stomp on a chair and break a leg.
• 42:29
  There is all these ways to do it. but I think that one of the common things
• 42:34
  we found during this discussion was that when you are that performer who just
• 42:38
  wants to share the magic,
• 42:40
  and gift it to people so they can enjoy it and however they enjoy it is is up to them.
• 42:46
  That's for me that's one common ground that every world-class performer has,
• 42:50
  i've never heard a world-class performer get off a stage and be like they
• 42:53
  were crap they didn't give me anything like that is
• 42:56
  no world-class performer i've ever met has
• 42:59
  ever said that yeah i mean as as
• 43:02
  we said there's a difference between professionals they don't
• 43:05
  don't really talk that way you know and someone that
• 43:09
  maybe is a bit more amateur but like sometimes I
• 43:13
  get it I think it's because maybe Instagram and social media in general
• 43:16
  you just suspect wow big reactions at the end of the day and and you and when
• 43:21
  you want big reactions it's because you probably feel very insecure that day
• 43:25
  and you just need a little bit of validation which is completely fine I need
• 43:29
  validation every day we've all performers we want to be loved and that's fine
• 43:33
  it's accepted and that's,
• 43:36
  you know but i don't know when i get one difference is to have an audience that is being,
• 43:42
  annoying as hell and they're not following you or or with just the audience
• 43:46
  that they just they just be like you can see them that they are in the game
• 43:49
  and they are like oh my god they just surprised but they're not like loud and
• 43:54
  that's fine only obviously if they're rude i'll be like.
• 44:00
  But, yeah, I think it's just, it's all because of our ego.
• 44:04
  And at the end of the day, it's because it makes us very powerful by saying,
• 44:07
  nope, it's not powerful. Oh, I know a secret.
• 44:10
  Yeah, of course, because you know it, but once you tell him, it's fine.
• 44:15
  So I don't know. It's just, yeah, it's just go down on the freaking horse.
• 44:20
  It's all, it is magic at the end of the day. No one is, no one is believing in magic.
• 44:26
  It's a trick. It is fine. It's a beauty, it's a beautiful, it's a beauty of,
• 44:32
  of seeing something in your eyes that you, you know, it's impossible,
• 44:37
  but it's possible right now.
• 44:38
  Because it's happening because you don't see it so that's that's what it is
• 44:42
  yeah well you know i'm going to push back on what you're saying the magic isn't
• 44:45
  real because i have a gig story.
• 44:49
  Yeah yeah no you're not wrong but i want to push back with a uh
• 44:52
  with a gig story can we roll to gig stories josh oh what
• 44:55
  a great segue here we go so gig
• 44:59
  stories is a portion of the show we just want to share stories about magic either
• 45:02
  from our performing points or even just our day-to-day lives
• 45:05
  and i wanted to share a little story that kind of comes off the
• 45:08
  back of what sonya said where over the
• 45:11
  past several weeks probably a month now i've been
• 45:14
  getting this one beautiful comment from children to
• 45:17
  adults and it's basically in the spirit of this and
• 45:21
  for me just last sunday when i was performing this kid said to
• 45:24
  me and like like grabbed me and was like i didn't
• 45:27
  know magic was real and i went
• 45:30
  oh i've done my job well today and even
• 45:34
  while i was in and i was in brisbane over the weekend performing at theater.
• 45:36
  Magic and i had folks in the front row guy to the far
• 45:39
  right his name was scotty he was losing his mind same deal was just like
• 45:42
  this is not supposed to be real what's happening this isn't
• 45:45
  this isn't real and it was one of
• 45:48
  those performances where you would do something and you
• 45:52
  make the moment happen and everyone would sort of like start
• 45:55
  murmuring to each other did you did you see that were you watching and then
• 45:58
  like he'd lean up he wouldn't even know the guy five seats down
• 46:01
  and be like did you not see that it was like no
• 46:04
  i had no idea i go did you see it i didn't see it either and it's
• 46:06
  just this beautiful moment where everyone's exchanging these little murmurs between
• 46:09
  performances and it was just such a beautiful dynamic to be able to achieve
• 46:13
  by performing like such strong magic and it
• 46:16
  was just nice to see it was really nice to see you know like in that especially
• 46:21
  when we are so hyper focused on giving people like a really intimate magic experience
• 46:26
  at the theater of magic so i just thought i would share that like it's really
• 46:30
  nice to get magic to a point where people are saying to you like i didn't think this was real but
• 46:34
  what's happening? Like it's, you're doing it. Like, it's just a nice little. Very cute, I have to say.
• 46:41
  Super cute. I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that to someone, you know what I mean?
• 46:43
  It's only to the skeptic people.
• 46:46
  Because they very, they, they always like, they want to share,
• 46:50
  they're like, I'm a skeptic. I'm like, cool.
• 46:54
  Yeah. They'll, they'll, someone will introduce their friend in the group.
• 46:58
  Yeah. Someone will introduce their friend. They're like, oh, you got to show someone.
• 47:01
  So they, they are a non-believer. They don't believe in magic at all.
• 47:04
  And I'll just be like, yeah, I don't believe in it either, man.
• 47:06
  Don't worry. Like, this is not a fighting match. Why do we all get that?
• 47:10
  The funny thing, I don't think they know that we all get the same shit.
• 47:14
  And I'm like, guys, you know, we're original.
• 47:17
  Yeah. Oh, go say bye-bye, you guys are that shit.
• 47:22
  Can I share a nice line that I came up with recently for people who are like,
• 47:28
  oh, I don't believe in this stuff.
• 47:29
  I'd be saying, that's okay, man. You can belong before you believe. Just come and hang out.
• 47:34
  It's a neat little thing you can belong all the
• 47:37
  beautiful things in here yeah so i
• 47:39
  just something i've been saying recently just like you can belong right now
• 47:42
  you can belong before you believe just come and hang out and
• 47:45
  just just come come be a part of it i don't want you to feel
• 47:48
  left out and then you you don't even you just let them watch don't
• 47:51
  engage with them they can belong while you entertain everyone else and then
• 47:54
  you just don't go was that all right and i go and it was like i actually really
• 47:57
  enjoyed that i think something's sticking around man you have fun and then you
• 48:00
  could just walk away you don't make it about them you don't try to pull them
• 48:02
  in and then get them like oh great no i have to engage in this you know you
• 48:07
  kill them with kindness i i just,
• 48:11
  i don't do i'm not rude but if someone is being annoying when i'm saying annoying
• 48:16
  i'm like oh my god we handle this and i just tell them to hold the deck of cards
• 48:21
  i'm like wait a second are we going to come back later on yeah and then i just
• 48:25
  continue and then i just and i'm like thank thank you so much guys.
• 48:30
  And I'll say to the person, thank you so much for holding it.
• 48:32
  And then I just leave. Just leave.
• 48:36
  Someone is just freaking annoying me. And I'm like,
• 48:38
  If you make me feel stupid, I make you feel stupid. But Nick, I like that one better.
• 48:45
  Sorry, do you have... It's pretty nice at this time. Yeah. Okay,
• 48:48
  what gig story do you have for us? Is there one that comes to mind?
• 48:53
  I have something nice because otherwise I'm going to look like a freaking grumpy person in here.
• 49:01
  Talking about believing and everything. So I think it was a New Year's Eve,
• 49:06
  and I did one of my favorites that is, I think it's the stigmata,
• 49:11
  it's the one that appears the letter on your arm.
• 49:15
  I love it. I do it when it's a bit more intimate, the situation,
• 49:19
  when I've done a couple of tricks and everything, and then someone wants to
• 49:22
  see a little bit more, then I can kind of be like, okay, let's do something
• 49:26
  a bit more special for you.
• 49:27
  Because it kind of brings back, I do it with the first kiss.
• 49:30
  Because it can be funny, it can be special, it can bring so many memories.
• 49:36
  So this person was older and I don't remember exactly how it was,
• 49:43
  but basically I got it wrong.
• 49:45
  But I got it wrong, but good.
• 49:48
  Oh. Yeah, so it was a double. I was like, what?
• 49:53
  So basically the letter that appeared on my arm was the one that was,
• 49:58
  that she was so she thought of two people she was
• 50:02
  meant to think of one just right one person but she thought of two so that's
• 50:07
  fine I was like good so the person it happened that the person she was thinking
• 50:11
  of I obviously got it wrong but appeared on my arm and then I I only just,
• 50:19
  didn't get the first letter but I got the the rest of the letters for the other
• 50:24
  ones for the one that she wrote down.
• 50:27
  So basically, I spelled the name, and I was like, ooh, a few letters are missing,
• 50:32
  and I just spelled all of them apart from the first one.
• 50:35
  And then she was like, double, like, wow.
• 50:39
  Obviously, the one in the arm for her was fine because it was the one that she was thinking of.
• 50:45
  Ah, yeah, yeah. She was someone and she wrote another person.
• 50:49
  Wow. Those two people. And then I left and then she called me again and she's
• 50:54
  like, I wanted to ask you something.
• 50:56
  She's like, do you really have powers?
• 50:59
  But she was dead serious.
• 51:01
  What I'm telling you, probably she was at 70 or something like that.
• 51:04
  But she's like, the person who appeared in your arm, she's like,
• 51:09
  I know you told me about one person, but it came to my mind.
• 51:13
  Another one is someone, I think it was her son that passed away.
• 51:17
  And then she was thinking of her son, and the letter was on my arm.
• 51:21
  So obviously she was like, I squeezed your arm and appeared the letter on my son that I was thinking.
• 51:27
  And then you got the other person, and she's like, do you talk to the people
• 51:32
  who passed and stuff like that? And I was like, no. Wow.
• 51:35
  So that's why sometimes I think with these situations, you kind of need to be careful.
• 51:41
  Just don't say that you freaking can do things because the poor woman,
• 51:46
  I mean, had a missing experience, but imagine I'd be like, yes, I can do these things.
• 51:54
  And for $500, I can talk to whoever you want. Like, that's definitely a thin line. Yeah.
• 52:03
  No, I have to say that, no, this is magic at the end of the day,
• 52:07
  but I'm glad that brought you good memories. That's kind of what I wanted to,
• 52:11
  and then you have it in mind, and somehow it is with you still.
• 52:15
  So you obviously, at the end of the day, you have to be careful.
• 52:20
  Yeah, you have to create a good experience. For me, at least,
• 52:24
  I don't want to be like that. You don't want to play God.
• 52:29
  It's crazy, but at the end of the day, it's a trick, right? but it's amazing
• 52:32
  or you can make feel that people feel yeah there's
• 52:35
  ethics involved in that and that's like i mean i can only speak on
• 52:38
  behalf of the magic clubs i'm involved with here in australia but
• 52:41
  like the institute of magic most definitely has that notion where it's
• 52:43
  like we don't ever profess that we have these true supernatural well it's one
• 52:49
  of the things we sort of agreed to because we've actually had members leave
• 52:52
  the magic club because they truly do believe they are a medium and they do truly
• 52:56
  believe that they can see things beyond and so they've left the club and they
• 52:59
  actually pursue that as a career now. Yeah.
• 53:03
  Yeah. So it doesn't mix. Yeah. I mean, it's beautiful. I think it's like what we do is amazing.
• 53:10
  I don't know. It just brings experience and then do something else that is out
• 53:15
  of the normality of what we live. I think it's gorgeous.
• 53:20
  But yeah, that's my cute story.
• 53:23
  That's a great story. That's very cute. I was like, yeah.
• 53:27
  Yeah. So what are you sort of focusing on at the moment? I mean,
• 53:31
  we sort of toyed with the Penguin staff members and stuff before.
• 53:35
  But what do you sort of enjoy working on this year? Are you doing mainly shows or consulting?
• 53:41
  Like what is taking up your calendar?
• 53:44
  So it's been mainly, so at the moment, because I'm working with Nyx,
• 53:49
  so I'm just creating some tricks for them and then perform them.
• 53:52
  That is right now, like at the moment.
• 53:55
  With Miu Miu, it was fine because it was just like playing, like doing tricks
• 53:58
  with playing cards, but it was fun. Definitely, I was like, tick, ox ticks.
• 54:03
  I'm working with Penguin with something. I just don't know if I'm allowed to
• 54:07
  say, but you will find out probably.
• 54:08
  Let's ask Sean. Sean, could you please clarify? It's okay to talk about this
• 54:12
  thing that she won't tell us crap about because I was sweating her so hard before the show.
• 54:16
  So, Sean, if you're there, buddy, just be like, yeah, you can tell him. You can tell him.
• 54:21
  I'm just trying to be mysterious for no reason.
• 54:25
  You're probably going to see her later and you'll be like, oh,
• 54:28
  is this all what it was about?
• 54:30
  Yeah, but hey, in the meantime, you're thinking that it's going to be amazing.
• 54:35
  No, I just think I, because it's going to be something that I,
• 54:40
  that you probably have seen in my socials.
• 54:42
  But I don't think you wouldn't know, but I have used it in my socials.
• 54:46
  And I think it would be a good addition to the magic world because I think now
• 54:52
  a lot more people know me and I'm like, I think it's important to contribute to the magic world.
• 54:59
  Because if you have an idea, why not? That idea wouldn't come out if anyone
• 55:05
  else couldn't put something out there.
• 55:08
  So love, share is love, whatever it's called.
• 55:13
  And I am working on my deck of cards.
• 55:17
  I've been working on it for a thousand freaking years. But I think I already have it.
• 55:22
  It is similar than another deck as well. But I had it a long time and I'm like,
• 55:27
  at the end of the day, coin into a can, you can't do it so many ways, right?
• 55:33
  So I can do the deck of cards. It is not the same, but it's a similar theme.
• 55:41
  Oh, great. So this is a deck of cards that has a specific use or it's just you
• 55:48
  can use it for all routines. It's just that it's your design.
• 55:51
  It's just my design because I love design and stuff and I love like branding
• 55:57
  in general because this is very briefly just because like in Denson you learn
• 56:04
  how to brand yourself, how to sell yourself.
• 56:07
  You are a product at the end of the day and
• 56:11
  people buy your product so that's what i wanted
• 56:14
  to create a community i wanted to be like if someone
• 56:18
  i want to have my deck of cards to be like oh this
• 56:21
  is from a magician called sonia and
• 56:24
  this is her vibe or whatever so it's not
• 56:27
  particularly like i'm not just gonna because i like to be i like to design i
• 56:30
  like to to bring different stuff to maybe the magic but imagine this now i i
• 56:37
  don't know why this is coming in my head but it's only because of of the fashion
• 56:41
  and the talks i've been doing imagine you bring out a collection of cards.
• 56:45
  In a few different colors perhaps and then you have a fashion show where you
• 56:49
  have models coming down and holding the deck and it's matching the thing they're
• 56:53
  wearing that you've you know choreographed to that could be that would be a
• 56:57
  fun event and then the other thing that collaboration fun yeah and then the
• 57:02
  other event that i'm the other thing i'm thinking is.
• 57:06
  What a nice thing to be able to give someone your deck
• 57:09
  of cards like when we had franco pescali on
• 57:12
  a few weeks back he mentioned the the main reason he loves having a deck of
• 57:16
  cards is because when he performs at an event he can go to the host and say
• 57:20
  thank you so much for having me i love to give you this this is my deck of cards
• 57:24
  and i'd love to gift it to you like i think that's one of the main reasons that
• 57:28
  would make me want to have a deck is so that you have like,
• 57:31
  Somewhat of a gift to give someone that you interacted with.
• 57:35
  Yeah, yeah. That's kind of the main reason. Like I designed a t-shirt a while
• 57:40
  ago because I just like the design and I kind of, I did it all myself.
• 57:45
  I designed it, produced it, sold it.
• 57:47
  Not like massively, just like whoever was following me and stuff like that,
• 57:51
  just because I wanted to have someone like, I wanted people to feel part of me, if you get me.
• 57:59
  You know like oh i have something from sonia
• 58:02
  or whatever if they you know they're like what do so it
• 58:06
  was kind of like this so that's why with the deck of
• 58:09
  cards i just can't i just couldn't decide and i just made so many
• 58:11
  designs and i finally decided to one design
• 58:15
  that i did and then this deck came out and i
• 58:18
  was like but it was but it's not the
• 58:20
  same it is the same thing that is not the same so i just gonna
• 58:23
  i'm gonna i will print it first for myself and then we'll play around and if
• 58:29
  i have the time and the energy to do a campaign i produce it then yes but i
• 58:36
  if not i probably is going to produce it with with um it's just all time and money mainly money.
• 58:44
  Yeah yeah mainly money so i i i probably knowing myself i'm probably gonna do
• 58:51
  it bring them, do really cool pictures, promote them and then leave it there.
• 58:57
  We'd love to share it with the Magic guys and Nick and I can help model it as
• 59:03
  well if that's an option. Love it.
• 59:07
  We'll put on wigs and we'll look beautiful. No, I don't need wigs.
• 59:14
  That's perfect.
• 59:16
  Oh, man. Hang on, wait, watch it.
• 59:20
  Yeah oh there you go don't look at the camera that's the trick you just listen
• 59:25
  I already got a very good idea for it so just you like that I was like ooh excellent,
• 59:32
  excellent you guys said yes so absolutely,
• 59:37
  if you need two Aussie bald men we're here to help you're gonna have to shave
• 59:41
  your head for the campaign Sonia it's gonna be awesome no it's all for the art
• 59:45
  you know yeah I put a ball singing gap and then do it Yeah. Yeah.
• 59:53
  Well, friends, it is time. The hour is up. It's been awesome. And it was remarkable.
• 59:59
  I had like 25 questions prepared for this, but the chat was so lit.
• 1:00:03
  Like it was just, you know, which ultimately means there is so much we still
• 1:00:06
  want to know about you, which means you will have to come back and play with
• 1:00:08
  us, Sonia. Please say you'll come back.
• 1:00:10
  Oh, anytime, every day, every second.
• 1:00:13
  Maybe when you have the deck of cards. Maybe that can be a nice segue to do
• 1:00:17
  round two. Maybe when you have a thing that you won't tell us about from Penguin. So, you know.
• 1:00:22
  That's right. Sean, be safe then. Damn it, Sean. Where were you when I needed you, buddy?
• 1:00:28
  When you come back, when you come back, you'll have your product out.
• 1:00:31
  You can talk about it. You'll have your deck of cards. You will have worked with Fendi and Prado.
• 1:00:35
  And you will have this wonderful story now of all these things.
• 1:00:39
  And for everyone who isn't already following Sonia, you can follow her work on Instagram.
• 1:00:44
  Her link is in the description of
• 1:00:47
  wherever you're watching or listening to this as well as her website
• 1:00:50
  if you want to scope more out about her and
• 1:00:53
  look we want to thank you for coming on the show this is so wonderful and
• 1:00:56
  we're glad we got to meet you briefly i got to meet you briefly in magic live
• 1:01:00
  and now actually have a conversation which is wonderful but we're going to end
• 1:01:04
  the episode in the way that we always do which is by giving our guest the final
• 1:01:09
  word well i wanted to say thank you so much for watching, for listening to me.
• 1:01:16
  If you want to follow me, you know what it is on Instagram. Sonia Benito Magic.
• 1:01:21
  If you want to see my work, the website soniabenito.com. Love you all.
• 1:01:27
  Believe in magic.
• 1:01:31
  Thanks for listening. It's time for us to disappear now. Disappear now.
• 1:01:37
  But we'll see you again on the next episode of The Magic Guys. We'll be right back.