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Patriots Unfiltered 8/5: Latest Observations and Updates from Training Camp, Joint Practice Preview · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I can see that.
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  Speaker 10: You.
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  Speaker 4: Part of the problem with argument Paul is that he's
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  Speaker 4: done all these times.
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  Speaker 3: No, and you've also done all of them, and so
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  Speaker 3: you started Claire out, which is like, I'm.
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  Speaker 4: Gonna start off with level one, Paul, if you.
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  Speaker 5: Will not even admit that that was why they got
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  Speaker 5: rid of them, No, it wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: You're not who you think you are. See you later, Okay.
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  Speaker 5: I would suggest you do a little bit more research.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not guessing on this.
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  Speaker 6: Did you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm all confused because into each other. All I know
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  Speaker 2: is that tomorrow is the joint practice. Correct, That's the
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  Speaker 2: most important news.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: These guys are just off the practice field, Paul evan
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  Speaker 2: deuce where they had a walkthrough today to get ready
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  Speaker 2: for tomorrow's joint practice. So they kind of worked on
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  Speaker 2: what they're going to actually do tomorrow. In some ways,
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  Speaker 2: I know that they know we're told that we can
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  Speaker 2: only film certain periods. Today was even more abbreviated, just
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  Speaker 2: the first two periods they don't want anything else. So
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  Speaker 2: they are going to be using some of the plays
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  Speaker 2: that they did today probably tomorrow against the Commanders, so
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  Speaker 2: that'll be interesting. And right off the bat, I want
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  Speaker 2: to let everyone know that we will be live from
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  Speaker 2: high above the practice fields starting at nine forty five
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  Speaker 2: tomorrow with Mike Rabel's press conference and then we'll go
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  Speaker 2: right into practice and we'll give you as much a
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  Speaker 2: practice as we're allowed to film. So exciting day. Joint practices.
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  Speaker 2: Are looking forward to it increasingly important in the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: They are, I mean chance to also see another team.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's always fun for me to get a
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  Speaker 3: chance to look at young player like Jayden Aiels.
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  Speaker 4: Really fun to get to see him.
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  Speaker 5: In personal PA, we always focus on the personnel, and
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  Speaker 5: I think that's important, and Daniels is important. But like
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  Speaker 5: just listening to Peppers a little bit, your guy, Mike,
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  Speaker 5: you know another scheme too, because now you're starting to
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  Speaker 5: watch the offense and defense go against each other. And
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  Speaker 5: we've heard comments Mike Fred and I had Michael Winnu
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  Speaker 5: in here and he was talking about not only like
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  Speaker 5: they know the scheme, but the even your cadence and
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  Speaker 5: everything about it. So I make. It's more of a
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  Speaker 5: gauge to get it. Just a whole different scheme, personnel,
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  Speaker 5: coaching style, all that it can only help the team.
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  Speaker 12: Ye yeah, just with the you know, there's no film
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  Speaker 12: of these practices that go to the other teams, so
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  Speaker 12: you can put stuff on film in terms of plays
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  Speaker 12: like Fred was talking about the plays that they're going
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  Speaker 12: to run, and you can put stuff like that on
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  Speaker 12: film and not be worried that it's going to be
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  Speaker 12: seen by you know, thirty other teams like you would
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  Speaker 12: in the preseason. If you put that on a preseason tape,
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  Speaker 12: now the whole league can see this is your offense,
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  Speaker 12: this is what you're doing. So they almost put more
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  Speaker 12: in for these joint practices than they do with the
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  Speaker 12: preseason games as a result of that. So we're gonna see,
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  Speaker 12: you know, the full gamut tomorrow. I would expect from
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  Speaker 12: Josh McDaniels and Mike Rabel of what exactly they're going
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  Speaker 12: to do to game plan at Jaden Daniels to scheme
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  Speaker 12: you know, offensively and get guys open.
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  Speaker 8: So it'd be good to see.
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  Speaker 2: Yesterday the Patriots had practice and it was a normal
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  Speaker 2: IMPADS practice and from what I saw. I think it
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  Speaker 2: was one of the better practices for the offense after
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  Speaker 2: Friday's kind of ify practice. If people don't know, they
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  Speaker 2: had an in stadium practice on Friday for season ticket
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  Speaker 2: members and fox Bough residents and it was a scrimmage
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  Speaker 2: where they actually had a draft and uh so there
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  Speaker 2: was a white and a blue team and because of
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  Speaker 2: the draft, players were mixed up. It wasn't like the
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  Speaker 2: starting offense against the starting defense as we've seen in
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  Speaker 2: practices so far. Guys were mixed and match. So was
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  Speaker 2: it a good, you know, indication of where the offense is.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, But yesterday they had a pretty darn
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  Speaker 2: good practice.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I might push back on a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Fred I thought they started I thought they started off
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  Speaker 3: really good, and I thought they kind of sputtered out
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  Speaker 3: at the end, and that, you know, it has been a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of my takeaway from these last two practices
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  Speaker 3: that once we got into situational football, it wasn't quite
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  Speaker 3: as sharp as as it's been. And you know, look,
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  Speaker 3: compliments to Drake, like, I think he's looked good this summer.
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  Speaker 4: He's looked in control.
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  Speaker 3: I thought he was excellent in the first seven on
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  Speaker 3: seven period yesterday and take it for what it is.
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  Speaker 3: It's a seven on seven period still, but in the
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  Speaker 3: red zone, it you know, just looks comfortable. But look,
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  Speaker 3: my big thing with Drake this year is he a killer.
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  Speaker 3: So far these last two practices that have been competitive
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  Speaker 3: in those situational periods, he hasn't quite delivered yet. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying I'm pushing a panic button or anything
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  Speaker 3: like that, but I see tomorrow as an opportunity to
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  Speaker 3: really especially those last situational drills, to really turn the
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  Speaker 3: screws and show a level of hey, we can we
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  Speaker 3: can dictate to this defense. We talked about that last
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  Speaker 3: play yesterday where yeah, it might have been a touchdown
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  Speaker 3: to end the game, but it was you know, he's
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  Speaker 3: just kind of flinging it up there, and none of
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  Speaker 3: that stuff. In those last couple periods when they were
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  Speaker 3: right inside the ten yard line look really crisp and smooth.
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  Speaker 3: Certainly not as crispin smooth as it looked in seven
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  Speaker 3: on seven. So I think they were better I thought
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  Speaker 3: early on. I just thought they sputtered out a little
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  Speaker 3: bit at the end, and I want to see him
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  Speaker 3: finish against the Commanders.
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  Speaker 4: I keep trying to call them the other name, the
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  Speaker 4: Commanders Tomorrow.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I would agree with that.
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  Speaker 12: I think, you know, when you get down into the
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  Speaker 12: low red zone and you're trying to throw the ball
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  Speaker 12: in from like the five, six, seven eight yard line,
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  Speaker 12: it's really hard. Like it's hard, it's tight space, it's
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  Speaker 12: not it's definitely advantage defense down there. And I don't
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  Speaker 12: know if we're exactly getting into the point where Josh
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  Speaker 12: McDaniels is like scheming ways to get receivers open in
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  Speaker 12: a in a practice setting, we're kind of running base
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  Speaker 12: plays and things like that. So maybe that's a little
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  Speaker 12: bit of like hope that that could turn around, is
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  Speaker 12: like once they get into a regular game and they're
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  Speaker 12: actually you know, disguising and using window dressing and motions
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  Speaker 12: and things like that to create separation and get guys open.
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  Speaker 12: But I would agree in general, I thought once they
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  Speaker 12: got down there, they had some trouble creating separation. And
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  Speaker 12: this isn't Gonzo and Carlton Davis. This is you know,
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  Speaker 12: some of those secondary guys like DJ James and Alex
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  Speaker 12: Austin and do.
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  Speaker 2: You think Arcus Jones.
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  Speaker 5: That was the most troubling part to me was who
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  Speaker 5: they were getting covered by, I mean Kobe Minor. You know,
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  Speaker 5: we hadn't really seen a whole lot of was showing
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  Speaker 5: up in some of those I thought early on, like
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  Speaker 5: Mike said, they made some places. Trevion Henderson continues to
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  Speaker 5: impress me as a as a pass catcher, especially he
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  Speaker 5: had a beautiful wheel route for about twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 5: yards out for a touchdown behind Christian Ellis. Beyond that
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  Speaker 5: that segment, once they because they you know, as practice progressed,
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  Speaker 5: they started working from the twenty five and moving yet
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  Speaker 5: and there were times where they just had to move
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  Speaker 5: the ball because they were just incomplete passes. I think
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  Speaker 5: so I think the defense was better than these.
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  Speaker 2: Once the games are for real, that it's more likely
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  Speaker 2: that this team in the low red zone will be
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  Speaker 2: a run first team.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think to Evan's point, they'll be. They'll be
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  Speaker 3: more able to schematically get make things happen. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: at this point where you're just trying to install plays,
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  Speaker 3: there is more on the quarterback and that's where.
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  Speaker 4: You know, whether he sinks or swims, the windows are
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  Speaker 4: going to be a lot tighter.
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  Speaker 3: You're probably not going to get as much help schematically
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  Speaker 3: as you would in games, So you're always reserving that
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  Speaker 3: confidence of and even tomorrow, I would say when they
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  Speaker 3: get out there, I bet it's a little bit more
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  Speaker 3: schemed up. They're going to try to have a good practice,
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  Speaker 3: They're going to try to finish strong, and really, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Evan laid it all out. They'll try to break out
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  Speaker 3: all the breaks to try to get some points on
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  Speaker 3: the board and have practice break the break.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, that's always how I feel.
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  Speaker 12: Fred is like once you get inside the yeah, the
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  Speaker 12: seven or eight yard line, like you really would like
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  Speaker 12: to just run the teams that that's really what you
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  Speaker 12: would want to do. And maybe some of that involves
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  Speaker 12: Drake like that it's not just not to take him
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  Speaker 12: totally out of the equation, but if you are going
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  Speaker 12: to throw from down there, hopefully it's off play action.
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  Speaker 12: Hopefully it's a moving pocket, like there's some sort of
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  Speaker 12: window dressing involved that's giving the defense pause when you
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  Speaker 12: just run. You're in the gun and you're just running
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  Speaker 12: base plays against the defense in the low red zone,
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  Speaker 12: it's tight, like it's tight down there to make throws
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  Speaker 12: and make it like you guys always talk about those.
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  Speaker 8: Belichick practices for four or five days, they'd.
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  Speaker 12: Always be in the red zone and a lot of
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  Speaker 12: the time in recent years at least maybe not the
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  Speaker 12: Brady years, but in recent years, it felt like the
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  Speaker 12: defense would dominate those practices. And we always have this conversation,
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  Speaker 12: are they dominant or are they just down in the
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  Speaker 12: low red zone And it's hard to throw the ball
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  Speaker 12: in from that distance.
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  Speaker 8: So we'll see, you know, hopefully there's that's coming.
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  Speaker 12: But you mentioned Travon Henderson and he's the guy to
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  Speaker 12: me that is the most fun to play with like that.
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  Speaker 12: That's the guy that can really be a chess piece
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  Speaker 12: for them down there with his speed, because he does
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  Speaker 12: have that ability, you know, to get the edge and
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  Speaker 12: to turn the corner, you know, with the different things
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  Speaker 12: that you can do, flexing him out, moving him around
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  Speaker 12: to find matchups in the past game, or tossing him
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  Speaker 12: the football to get him out on the perimeter in
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  Speaker 12: the run game.
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  Speaker 5: A little toss sweep worked well yesterday. To the post.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, running type of read option, zone reads
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  Speaker 12: or whatever with Drake where you know they can read
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  Speaker 12: the end and figure out who's got the best laye
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  Speaker 12: in to the end zone. I feel like he's he's
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  Speaker 12: the chess piece so far, at least from this offense
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  Speaker 12: that can make those kinds of plays.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So the other thing we need to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: Injuries are starting to rear their head for the Patriots,
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  Speaker 2: and we know that Gonzo has been out for a
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  Speaker 2: while reportedly hamstring tweak. Carlton Davis hasn't been practicing getting
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  Speaker 2: a little closer. It seems Matt Collins is back. But
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  Speaker 2: yesterday Morgan Moses left practice.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, and he was okay today he was
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  Speaker 4: back out there.
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  Speaker 13: I was.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's still part of the plan. And I
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  Speaker 4: get why.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's sometimes he comes late and he just practices.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes he starts the practice like you did yesterday and
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  Speaker 3: he left. So everyone's radar is up for what Morgan
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  Speaker 3: Mosa is, his health situation is.
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  Speaker 4: Until I see something more dramatic, I think that this
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  Speaker 4: is just them.
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  Speaker 5: That's been always something to monitor because I do believe
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  Speaker 5: that Trey Jacobs and Marcus Bryant took Yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 5: know if all of the reps I think at right
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  Speaker 5: tackle today, you know, even though it was a walkthrough.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, the offensive line into I think is some
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  Speaker 5: of the depth is being chipped away at a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: You know, they had to put your heir durant On
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  Speaker 5: on I R And you know, Cayden Wallace hasn't practiced
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  Speaker 5: much City so hasn't practiced much. I think it was
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  Speaker 5: Wallace Friday night that he left. He didn't practice yesterday
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  Speaker 5: or today. So yeah, they're starting to lose some of
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  Speaker 5: the depth pieces.
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  Speaker 2: Friday's practice, Kendrick Bourne got banged.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, said he got rolled up on.
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  Speaker 3: And the I mean the most disappointing went to me
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  Speaker 3: so far is Chase On, who's been having a great
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  Speaker 3: camp and something happened to him Friday night.
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  Speaker 4: He hasn't been on the last two days.
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  Speaker 3: We have seen him around a little bit, so it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't seem like it's you know, he's in traction.
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  Speaker 12: It's hard to tell us until we like get a
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  Speaker 12: feel for how Rabel handles these things a little bit more.
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  Speaker 12: Are these plans are they? You know, is Mario Moses
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  Speaker 12: on some sort of set plan? Is Chase On's injury?
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  Speaker 12: Like is if this was a game week? Like is
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  Speaker 12: he out there at practice? But because it's training camp,
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  Speaker 12: we're going to you know, pull back the rains a
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  Speaker 12: little bit, you know, those types of things. Carlton Davis
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  Speaker 12: to me, is clearly on some sort of plan that
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  Speaker 12: when it comes around to week one, they're confident that
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  Speaker 12: they'll have them ready to go, but they don't need
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  Speaker 12: to have them out there in that second week of
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  Speaker 12: training camp, which is fine, but you know, well, I'm
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  Speaker 12: still kind of learning some of those different things they're
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  Speaker 12: trying to read, like how each guy's situation is a
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  Speaker 12: little bit different. I think, you know, Jacquelyn Roy and
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  Speaker 12: Marcella's dial got hurt like that those two guys, I
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  Speaker 12: feel like, is different than some of these veteran players
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  Speaker 12: we're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, injuries are going to happen. They're
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  Speaker 2: inevitable in football, so you just got to deal with them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's it is.
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  Speaker 2: Every team is equipped to deal with them a little
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  Speaker 2: bit better than others. It's yet to see how the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots can deal with injuries.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I just like that the rookies have generally stayed healthy.
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  Speaker 3: That to me is always really important. New guys learning
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  Speaker 3: the system, learning how to be NFL pros, That to
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  Speaker 3: me is super important. Now will Campbell out there every day,
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  Speaker 3: you know, learning taking his lumps giving them back. Those
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  Speaker 3: are you know, positive developments and I'm excited to see
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  Speaker 3: Will camp go against these guys in Washington the next
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  Speaker 3: you know, preseason and as well as the joint practice.
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  Speaker 3: See a little bit of that snarley attitude that that
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  Speaker 3: Will Campbell plays with.
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  Speaker 4: I think he'll bring Tom.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of Will Campbell, I was so impressed with him
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  Speaker 2: after Friday's practice. He did a media scrum on the
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  Speaker 2: field after practice, and just the way he dealt with
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  Speaker 2: the questions, you know, just smiling, listening, you know, answering
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  Speaker 2: them directly. Just he has the presence of a veteran
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to dealing with the with the media. Now,
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  Speaker 2: who knows what's gonna happen once the season starts, but
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  Speaker 2: right now he really knows how to handle himself.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he does.
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  Speaker 3: I mean that maturity that I think just an experienced player.
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  Speaker 3: He has that kind of confidence innately in him. But
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  Speaker 3: like you said, I think he's acknowledging it's a process
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  Speaker 3: and that's what we all have to acknowledge. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: if he's gonna be going with Jared Wilson at left guard,
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  Speaker 3: that makes things really interesting too. And now Marcus Bryant's
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  Speaker 3: kind of in the mix, and I to say, you know,
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  Speaker 3: other than Michael Minu and I still probably have some
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  Speaker 3: questions about Michael Minut.
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  Speaker 4: There are there are questions at every spot right now.
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  Speaker 3: You know, can Bradberry hold up as a pass protector?
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  Speaker 4: You know, is Jared Wilson ready to go as a
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  Speaker 4: left guard?
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  Speaker 3: It was Will Campbell ready to go as a left tackle?
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  Speaker 3: What's the health situation at right tackle? So it's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of questions long after this time again.
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  Speaker 2: This time last year. This time last year, we found
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  Speaker 2: out with empirical evidence when the Eagles came that the
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  Speaker 2: line was not ready.
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  Speaker 14: M hm.
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  Speaker 2: So let's see what happens tomorrow.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, this is not the Eagles defensive line that's coming
• 14:35
  Speaker 12: in here from Washington, but it's it. They have NFL
• 14:37
  Speaker 12: players on their line and there are some good ones,
• 14:41
  Speaker 12: I guess, like I'm almost looking forward to Friday night
• 14:43
  Speaker 12: when it comes to the offensive line because you need
• 14:45
  Speaker 12: the tape like you can't. Things are just flying around
• 14:47
  Speaker 12: in practice, like you know, what's how is he getting beat?
• 14:51
  Speaker 12: And why is he getting beat? You know, is it
• 14:52
  Speaker 12: related to his arm leight? Is it related to just
• 14:55
  Speaker 12: things that you can coach or fix like you can't
• 14:57
  Speaker 12: really see that live, like it all happens too fast.
• 15:01
  Speaker 12: So Friday night will be a good test. Even if
• 15:04
  Speaker 12: the commander's top guys aren't playing. I assume all the
• 15:07
  Speaker 12: Patriots rookies are going to play at least a little bit,
• 15:09
  Speaker 12: and we might get hopefully a couple of drives of
• 15:12
  Speaker 12: Will Campbell and Jared Wilson that we can really dig
• 15:15
  Speaker 12: into and break down, which will be healthy.
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was good. He'll talk today for Mike and I.
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: I do think there's a chance that you might see
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: an extra series for the two rookies Wilson and Campbell.
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't expect to see much of those frontline guys.
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: Maybe they start and play the first series. But you know,
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: Morgan Moses doesn't even make it through practices. I wouldn't
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: expect to see him much, if at all.
• 15:37
  Speaker 8: And don't I don't need to see drink may I don't.
• 15:39
  Speaker 12: I just the rookie should play because the game tape
• 15:42
  Speaker 12: is really helpful, and I know they have the practice stuff,
• 15:45
  Speaker 12: but like it's different when you get into a game
• 15:47
  Speaker 12: and the ability to play in the game, get the
• 15:50
  Speaker 12: feel for how that is and then go watch it
• 15:52
  Speaker 12: the next day with the coaches and break it down
• 15:55
  Speaker 12: like that can be. You can really grow from doing that,
• 15:57
  Speaker 12: and I think that that's important for.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: Them wide receivers. Really interesting to me just how much
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: does Kyle Williams play? Is he clearly you know? Does
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: he get a few reps and then get to rest
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: and then it's Polk and Baker going a long way
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: the distance? Those are the guys you look at as
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: like five six right now, Chisholm, maybe as seven.
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: So they how do they see Kyle Williams?
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: You know, do they see this as an opportunity for
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: him to really get a ton of reps where he
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: might just be a rotational piece, I feel like once
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: we get to the season at least early on, but
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: or do they just want to see Polk and Baker
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: get a ton of snaps. I think those guys are
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: kind of locked on a competition right now.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: So speaking of Friday, of course it's the preseason game one,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: but it's also the unveiling of the Brady statue and
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: it's been announced that that will start at six o'clock.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: We'll have that live on Patriots dot com, so you
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: can watch that ceremony. It shouldn't take that long, fifteen
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: twenty minutes. Obviously, Tom Brady will be there with his family,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: and there'll be other VIPs there. I'm sure Robert Kraft
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: will speak as well as Tom. But yeah, so excited
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: to see the statue unveiled.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah then we'll I guess we'll go right into
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: the pregame show. But Pauline and I will be waiting
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: to go and there and.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: We'll break it all down. So yeah, so long in.
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: The bullpen, Mike.
• 17:11
  Speaker 8: I hope you have a long, you know, breakdown of
• 17:14
  Speaker 8: the statue.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: You know, all the specifics to wait.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and no matter you know, no matter what it
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: looks like. Half the people will like it, and half
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: people won't. Oh yeah, you know, yeah, they'll say, oh,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: you should have done this, he should have been doing that,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: he should have looked like you know. So I think
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: the main thing is does it look like him? If
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: you can, if you can conquer that, that's half the battle,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: you know. Now the pose is you know, debatable. Everyone's
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: got their opinion on what the pose should be, but.
• 17:41
  Speaker 15: It's got to look like I oh, so, I know, Well,
• 17:44
  Speaker 15: the statue is there.
• 17:47
  Speaker 12: I just can't help but think of Rocky three and
• 17:49
  Speaker 12: mister t and with this with the statue unveiling.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: And you know, just like that, like Peyton Manning is
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: going to come crash this and like hit on Tom
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Brady's girlfriend in front of us. It's like, give the real, immediate,
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: real man, the old man got no heart, right, or
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: we're gonna some night be out here and Brady's going
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: to pull up to it the motorcycle.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's upset about something.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: It always comes back to movies, all right, that he's
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: still some stairs she could run up to.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: I mean they're not directly to the statue. Are stairs there?
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: You can get the whole Rocky What.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Would what would Tom? Well? Tom has the jay Z song, right,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: we can't hum it or else we'll be soon back.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Never do that, Okay, So what else are we talking
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: about today? We've got joint practices tomorrow, We've got the
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: practices we've just had. We've talked a little bit about injuries,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: We've got the Brady unveiling. What else do we want
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: to put on the table? Anything?
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: I feel like you get to the point right now
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: where you kind of settle in and you have a
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: good sense of you know, the guys who are in
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: the mix to play and be a significant part of
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: the team, and the guys who are you know, maybe
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: trying to push or hoping for an injury.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: And you know, then you get to this point, you're
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: like joint practices now preseason.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Games, like we want to see some actual tackling, some
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: real football, and I think these.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Are where you really learn the most, so that they
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: feel like these first two weeks you're kind of set
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: in the states. We see actual tackling, not in the
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: joint practice, but you know.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Friday night will in the game, I think, and then
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: you'll see hopefully, but you know, since of the run
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: game a little bit better, a little bit more with
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: some of these offensive linemen and where there are so
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: many questions on.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: The offensive line, I just think, you know, getting to see.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Marcus Bryant, trade Jacobs, really get some reps out there
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: as Trade Jacobs made any strides might be a little
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: bit too early on Bandarian Low. He just came back
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: this week, might be able to asking a lot for
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: him to hop into a game. But just if any
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: of these guys Leyden Robinson really hasn't done much in camp,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: can he I mean, he's got a real big opportunity
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: right now with two of these kind of guards above him.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: So we'll see somebody pops once once the lights come on.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Next week looking ahead, they'll be off to Minnesota to
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: have joint practices with the Vikings. So two.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be two practices, which not kind of
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: a little bit of a throwback. I guess at this
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: point team most teams going to just one joint practice. Yep,
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: So I guess they trust kevital call was.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: A recent move, I guess for various reasons, but one
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: of them was like things would boil up and yeah
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: flow over them.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Well, that second day at Green Bay Camp, I mean
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: I was with the defense. It was like seven fights
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: in the first nine snaps.
• 20:16
  Speaker 12: There was still just feel like once you know, Washington
• 20:19
  Speaker 12: to Boston is not a bad fight, but once you
• 20:22
  Speaker 12: start to stretch it, like, if you're not going to
• 20:23
  Speaker 12: have two practices, was it would it really be worth
• 20:25
  Speaker 12: bringing everybody to Minnesota?
• 20:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah for one practice? Like point probably not.
• 20:30
  Speaker 12: But I just like bigger picture thought when I was
• 20:33
  Speaker 12: driving in today about the preseason, like how many how
• 20:36
  Speaker 12: much longer are we going to do? Three of these
• 20:38
  Speaker 12: and like like how little can we do? Like what's
• 20:41
  Speaker 12: the number that we can possibly get to that feels
• 20:44
  Speaker 12: like these aren't a waste of time.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: It'll be down to two within two years.
• 20:47
  Speaker 12: Because two feels like, Okay, you want to give the
• 20:50
  Speaker 12: back end of the roster guys a chance to compete,
• 20:52
  Speaker 12: and I get I and also put film out there
• 20:54
  Speaker 12: for the other thirty one teams and like all that
• 20:56
  Speaker 12: good stuff. But to do his point, like we pretty
• 20:59
  Speaker 12: much know who the team is at this point, Like
• 21:01
  Speaker 12: there's four or five spots that I think are up
• 21:03
  Speaker 12: for grabs that people are competing for with the Patriots,
• 21:06
  Speaker 12: but you know who the starting you know, eleven are
• 21:10
  Speaker 12: on both sides. You know, like the twenty twenty five
• 21:12
  Speaker 12: guys are that are going to contribute? Like, can we
• 21:14
  Speaker 12: just move this a lot a little bit faster because
• 21:17
  Speaker 12: I think these preseason games are.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I just you know, I understand that the starters don't
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: play a lot in the preseason, but they play a little.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: And I think you need to have some real tackling
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: under your belt before you get into a real game.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: So you don't tackle and practice anymore, so you have
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: to have some ability to get your body tackling.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah too.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the fact that we've been having the same conversation
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: for twenty five years, I know. And they don't tackle
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: in the preseason and at the beginning of the season,
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: the football is a little sloppy, right, and then they
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: get on with it, right, it's not going to change,
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: But they don't play. The starters don't play.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: People complain that the September football sucks.
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: No, I know, but then it's not going to change.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean they could, but.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: The starters don't play. They don't want to risk them
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: getting hurt in preseason games. It's bad enough that they're
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: going to get hurt in the regular games. And they
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: just don't play a lot. And the more established you, why,
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: the less you play.
• 22:15
  Speaker 12: And as you should, like I don't blame any teams
• 22:17
  Speaker 12: for not like if like, if I'm the Patriots, I'm
• 22:20
  Speaker 12: not playing any of my guys because we have these
• 22:22
  Speaker 12: joint practices, Like there's no reason to risk it in
• 22:25
  Speaker 12: the regular season. In the preseason games when you have
• 22:27
  Speaker 12: three joint practices coming up over the next two weeks, Like.
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: I wouldn't risk it either.
• 22:31
  Speaker 12: But it's it's just not a good product, Like it's
• 22:34
  Speaker 12: not like the preseason games. It's aren't good for the fans,
• 22:36
  Speaker 12: it's not good for the players, Like, just get on
• 22:38
  Speaker 12: with it, like two preseason games back.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: But I don't know, can you make the case that
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: by not conditioning your body to tackle in the preseason
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: that you're more susceptible to injury once the season starts,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: like for a guy like a linebacker or you know,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: a safety.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: You can make that, make any argument you want, but
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: it's just not going to change. Like, I mean, you can't.
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: I don't think. I don't think that that's silly what
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: you just said that you could make that argument easily. So,
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: but it's not going to change. That's my only point.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: I'm not telling you that I'm pro or against for
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: again as you like to say.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: You're saying that because you're not going back to telling
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: the players they got to start being more physical again once.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: You leationship is sick, I just don't think it's going
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: to happen.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: But but but here's the thing. So this reduction of
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: the physicality in practice came about for two reasons. One,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: you know the concussion issue, but also it was a
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: concession in the CBA. Right, Well, oh, we're not going
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: to give you more money that you're looking for, But
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: we'll make we'll make the off season a little bit
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: less physical. I'll bet you if you pulled all the players,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: they take the money over the physical less physicality, you know.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if you want to say, my choice is to
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: make more money or be more physical in practice, they'll
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: take the more money. Absolutely.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So who knows what the lack.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: Of tackling at practice. I don't remember the last time
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: I saw any sort of consistent tackling at practice. I
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: can't even remember. I don't remember it ever a little
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: bit last summer they did. They did, I'm just talking
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: about on a consistent basis at practice. I don't ever
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: remember it. At a Bill Belichick training camp. I saw
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: a little of it with Pete Carroll, but not very much.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: Probably less than they was for Mayo last year. Yeah,
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: you'd see some live goal line with Belichick. That's it.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: So I don't think that it's realistic to say, well,
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: they should go back to more more physical practices in
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: training camp, because whether you think they should or not,
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: I don't think it's going to happen. So it's kind
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: of a moot point.
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm not like what they do live tackling a
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: lot of them.
• 24:41
  Speaker 12: Yeah, but like that's because they have like one hundred
• 24:44
  Speaker 12: and fifty players on the roster and they have to
• 24:46
  Speaker 12: like figure it out right, and you know, somebody the
• 24:49
  Speaker 12: fifth string defensive end gets hurt. It's like not that
• 24:52
  Speaker 12: big of a deal. But like I feel like I'm
• 24:55
  Speaker 12: not saying abolished preseason. I just think there doesn't need
• 24:59
  Speaker 12: to be more than two. Yeah, Like you have to
• 25:01
  Speaker 12: dress rehearsal opportunities, whether to play your starters or to
• 25:04
  Speaker 12: audition if you're going out for you know, a roster
• 25:07
  Speaker 12: spot at the back end of the roster or a
• 25:09
  Speaker 12: roll or something like that, you have two opportunities you have.
• 25:12
  Speaker 12: Every team does joint practices now, it feels like most years,
• 25:15
  Speaker 12: so you're gonna have those opportunities as well.
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: It just feels like it's enough.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: I wonder too, if there's an angle with just the
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: coaching staff needing preseason games to all get on the
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: same page and to work, and it's is it more
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: than just about getting the players ready, it's also about
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: getting the coaching staff ready.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you need those games that the actual
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: scenarios that come up within a game.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: How's the communication going, who's on the headsets, all that
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: kind of stuff. I mean, I'm sure it could all
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: be figured out, but I would guess that some of
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: the coaching staff probably likes I.
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: Think that's why they One of the reasons why they
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: like to do joint practices is they can manufacture those
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: and don't come up in the games.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: And to take it even a step further, do the
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: stadiums need to practice runs or for preseason games?
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: You know, beverage, get it, get it geared up?
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Yah, all the support staff, security, ticket takers. You need
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: those live rehearsals, if you will, to get ready for
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: you know, the real games.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:13
  Speaker 12: So yeah, I'm not trying to take away your screen time,
• 26:17
  Speaker 12: bly you know, and the Bob's discount for.
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean obviously you don't know. I'm I'm like,
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: I'm really happy to be part of the broadcast and whatnot.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: But I recognize them for what they are. I mean,
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: it's it's minutia that is just not all that interesting
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: to most of the fans. Now, there's some diehards that
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: are interested in the you know, the bottom twenty of
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: the roster from seventy to ninety you know how those
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: guys look who's on the practice squad. Yeah, but that's
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: that's a niche, I'll get it.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Of the big four sports, which do you think exhibition
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: games are most important?
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: Probably baseball, I was going to say, because you have
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: to actually play the game to be especially pitching to
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: the even the repetition of hitting. Yeah, that's you know,
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: there's a reason why. I mean, I know you guys
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: don't want to talk about you know Raffi. Yeah, there's
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: the reason why he struck out fifteen of his first
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: nineteen at bats. He didn't do anything all spring.
• 27:16
  Speaker 12: Right, Yeah, Or like why guys go on rehab assignments
• 27:19
  Speaker 12: when they're coming off injuries and they go to the
• 27:20
  Speaker 12: miners to cover a couple of weeks to get their
• 27:23
  Speaker 12: rhythm back at baseball?
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: All right? Eighty five to five Pats five hundred is
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: the hotline podcast at Patriots dot How was.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: PP two without the benefit of practice?
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: No, I was thinking hockey's one where you just need practice.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: You just got to get your hands and feet and sync.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: But playing in actual games one or.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Two scrimmages podcasts at Patriots dot com address, you know,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: that was rude.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: Sorry, I get my shot at.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: I'm gett Albert Breer got scolded by Brett Toucher the
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: other day and he spoke over one of his video
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: just getting upset.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Called him a moron. Did he really? Oh yeah, he
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: was mad. Wow. Well, they have this complicated giveaway and
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I won't mention like the type of car it is
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: or who's giving it away, but there's several steps you
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: have to do in order to qualify. And so he's
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: trying to lay out these steps for the listeners, and
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: and Breer chimes in with some research that he did,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: you know while on the break, So what.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Are you doing?
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: It was?
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: It was funny, Actually he was good.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: Rad Fred's reads again your your reads?
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: That's funny. No, I was definitely in the wrong there.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I was guilty of Sorry. All right, let's go to
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: the phones. We'll see what people have to say. Uh,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Nate and Connecticut's first one?
• 28:44
  Speaker 16: Up?
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: What's up?
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Nate?
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Not we're just listening to you, that's what's up?
• 28:51
  Speaker 17: Oh yeah, that's true.
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: Uh So my question for you guys is about Javon Baker.
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: Based on what I've heard, he had a really good
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: practice yesterday, calling in a couple of touchdowns and hassling
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: good catches. What have you guys been out of him
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: so far within these past training camps. Has he been
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: froster worthy would you say? Or is he still trying
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: to work his way up so you know, getting their
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: respect and getting his name up in the list, and yeah,
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: you guys think, okay.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Thanks Nate say flashes, I mean flashes of of what
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: he does, which is an acrobatic nature to his game.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: He moves different, He's got an explosiveness to him that
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: maybe the other guys don't necessarily have.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: But it's just consistency for me. And that's as soon as.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: We grouped up yesterday at the end of practice, it
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: was yeah, he had three straight touchdown catches and sevens.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: He had another grab and eleven's and then we got
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: down when things got a little tighter and looked like
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: he had another one and it got punched out pretty quick.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: So you know, had he held on too that, I
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: would say he's really starting to keep that momentum. That
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: one play maybe downgraded my overall impression of him, but
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: there's no question he's the one making the push over
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Jaln polkinefting chis right.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Now for that maybe last one or two receiver spots.
• 30:03
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I feel like I've given this takes seven times
• 30:07
  Speaker 12: already on Javon Baker. But I just feel like the
• 30:10
  Speaker 12: two things, Like one, I can't quit what I thought
• 30:12
  Speaker 12: of him in the draft, and I was pretty high
• 30:14
  Speaker 12: on him going into that draft and thought it was
• 30:16
  Speaker 12: a pretty good pick.
• 30:17
  Speaker 8: I know there was things.
• 30:18
  Speaker 12: Off the field or with character stuff that had him
• 30:21
  Speaker 12: fall to the fourth round, but to get a talent
• 30:23
  Speaker 12: like that at one hundred and ten overall felt like
• 30:25
  Speaker 12: a pretty good pick at the time. And I just
• 30:28
  Speaker 12: still see the raw talent with him that is like
• 30:30
  Speaker 12: you were saying, dude, it's kind of unique in that room,
• 30:33
  Speaker 12: Like there's not a lot of six two two oh
• 30:36
  Speaker 12: five with a four to five with ability to go
• 30:38
  Speaker 12: above the room and win at the catch point down
• 30:40
  Speaker 12: the field. Like they don't really have like a jump
• 30:43
  Speaker 12: ball receiver on the team outside of him. And so
• 30:46
  Speaker 12: if it's Keishan Boodie, it's Kyle Williams. You know, these
• 30:50
  Speaker 12: guys are are different skill sets. They're not exactly the
• 30:53
  Speaker 12: same as Javon Baker. So his skill set stands out
• 30:57
  Speaker 12: over the rest of these players. Now, is that enough
• 30:59
  Speaker 12: to put him on the roster. I don't know, but
• 31:02
  Speaker 12: to me, he's like the one guy that they can
• 31:04
  Speaker 12: put on the outside and actually he can win the
• 31:06
  Speaker 12: ball down the field, you know, in a contested situation.
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: I don't know if that's the other guy's game.
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: If not for that characteristic, I'd be a hard no.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: But he does provide something that they do not have
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: any other guy on the roster that has that skill set.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: So because of that, I want to see some more.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: But I've watched him now for you know, a full
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: year last year and pretty much all of camp this year,
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: and he's just so wildly inconsistent. I'm a no dog,
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: but he does have a skill set that I don't
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: really think that they have anybody else that has.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: It's one of those guys just really hard. I think
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: from a coaching standpoint that you're.
• 31:46
  Speaker 15: Intrigued by the traits that he has, but if you
• 31:50
  Speaker 15: can't count on him and you know he's not going
• 31:52
  Speaker 15: to deliver it, So that's somebody to me, who's going
• 31:56
  Speaker 15: to play a lot on this preseason and talk about
• 31:58
  Speaker 15: eliminating preseason games.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: You know, if you do go down to one or two,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: it's guys like Jaymon Baker, who are on that bubble,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: who have the talent, who maybe just need a couple
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: of games where they play a bunch to find I just.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: Need that to be in practice. I don't need it
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: to be like catching a patch from Ben Ben Wooldridge
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: to tell me that he can do something. That's that's
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: my whole field with the whole preseason games thing. If
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: he was going to be out there with Drake May
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: for three quarters, now that's a different story. But I
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: just again, I fought that fight. I don't think it's
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: ever coming back like that. Some of the frontline guys
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: will play like Patrick Mahomes generally plays every year in
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: the preseason a little bit more than most guys of
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: his you know stature, but not a lot. You know,
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: he'll get a series.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: He would help the league more. A minor league or
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: you know Pro Football favorite in the spring or a
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: minor league that's happening while the NFL seasons that you
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: could pull people from as you need them, as injuries
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: come up, or as guys start to flash you you
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: can you can sign people from this other league.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: It might be hard to maintain during the season where
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: you're constantly losing guys and then you got to find
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: new guys to fill those guys. If you're just kind
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: of a feeder system for the NFL, so you.
• 33:11
  Speaker 12: Have to always separate, like you'd have to have your
• 33:15
  Speaker 12: own GM and your own head coach have to be
• 33:17
  Speaker 12: literally it's on separate entity because that team.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: The Patriots, like, it's not the Patriots minor league team,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: it's the NFL's minor league teams and t and each
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: team can draw from anybody. M hm, you can decide
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: to sign anyone.
• 33:33
  Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, I mean I've always said that I'd love
• 33:37
  Speaker 12: to see something like that. Now I think of it
• 33:39
  Speaker 12: more of a spring thing, so that it fills the
• 33:41
  Speaker 12: void of when we don't have for NFL football. I
• 33:44
  Speaker 12: don't know who's watching when there's college on Saturday and
• 33:48
  Speaker 12: there's NFL on else like, So it's not necessarily filling
• 33:53
  Speaker 12: that void like it would in the spring, but.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I would know that, like, if a guy starts really
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: doing well in that league, the NFL teams are gonna
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: notice and they could grab him, might you know, uh,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: spur interest in the league.
• 34:08
  Speaker 12: Would have to play on like a Tuesday night, Like
• 34:09
  Speaker 12: it'd have to be something, you know, I.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: Think the thing is hard to me though.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: It's just that when you see this happen with like
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: UFL guys, it's never really anybody all that talented. I
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: mean in theory the way you're laying it out, it's
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: like and maybe someone will blossom like well this is.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Where like a Javon Baker.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Maybe, but I just think that would be so rare
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: to really find players that made it through the cracks.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: And a lot of those guys in the UFL, you know,
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: the kind of play comes to it immediately comes to mind,
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: you know, big.
• 34:37
  Speaker 8: Tall draft media got that you know, uh, you know.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: X receiver, you know on the outside. I see him
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: in the in the UFL, but kind of I'm the
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: only one that's a loser and watching some of that stuff.
• 34:50
  Speaker 12: Like Jeremiah Farms is probably one of the best like
• 34:53
  Speaker 12: cases of it. I mean, I'm sure there's others and
• 34:55
  Speaker 12: other teams, just the ones I know are the Patriots.
• 34:58
  Speaker 12: Like Jeremiah Farm said a nice run in one of
• 35:00
  Speaker 12: those spring leagues, and the Patriots found him from there
• 35:03
  Speaker 12: and now he's been like a rotational piece for them
• 35:06
  Speaker 12: for the last couple of years. So that's probably been
• 35:08
  Speaker 12: the best success story here locally.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: Some of the kickers too, I think probably have been
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: in some of those leagues.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: Bates kid for uh, Detroit had a terrific season for them.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: That's a little bit yes, Jake Bates, Yeah, yes, but
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: as a specialist dud and that that translates like it's
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: not like the level of competition you're kicking the ball,
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: you can he was kicking it in ford field for
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: the Michigan Panthers and for the Detroit Lions. Nothing changed.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: It's funny for as many draft picks as every NFL
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: front office gets wrong, they still seem to generally be
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: able to identify the talent pool and the.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: Guys down there. It's I mean, there's some.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Draft picks where you look back at you know whatever,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: twenty seventeen and you go right down. We did that
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: a couple of months ago, and there's so many players
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: that you're like, who's this guy? Like completely out of
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: the league. How could the NFL be so wrong about that?
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: And yet you'd think if that's the case, that in
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: those lower leagues there would be some gems that through
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: the cracks. But I think we found that guy was
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Cam Wake Was he like a CFL one that was
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: one where he kind of something like that. He did
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: play in the season one that that was maybe a
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: little bit like that and be and actually became a
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: like a star in the NFL, but really rare.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to Brian and Indiana. What's up Brian?
• 36:18
  Speaker 17: Hey, guys, how are we doing good?
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Hey?
• 36:21
  Speaker 17: Just two quick things. What is the possibility of the
• 36:26
  Speaker 17: team potentially moving on from ramondre Stevenson after the season.
• 36:30
  Speaker 17: I don't think he's really lived up to the contract
• 36:33
  Speaker 17: and we have a new regime. And it was just
• 36:36
  Speaker 17: one of your guys' thoughts on that. And then last
• 36:38
  Speaker 17: but not least, Bred and Paul when you guys go
• 36:40
  Speaker 17: at it, that's probably my favorite part of the show.
• 36:43
  Speaker 17: Love to see it. I'll take it off the year.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Okay, thanks Brian fight for me?
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: Well yeah, yeah, Dance, I would say there's a better
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: than average shot that they move on from reminder seasons
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: and after the season.
• 36:57
  Speaker 12: So his contract is really two more years yep. Now
• 37:01
  Speaker 12: they can cap stuff. Well, if they can need dead money,
• 37:05
  Speaker 12: they can.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: You know, let's see what type of season he has, right, but.
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: He's here for this year.
• 37:09
  Speaker 12: I think unless the trade comes up, which I don't
• 37:12
  Speaker 12: think it will, but if it did, but contractually his
• 37:17
  Speaker 12: deal kind of runs through twenty twenty six, right, so
• 37:20
  Speaker 12: it's up.
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: I'd still i'd still want to hang on to Antonio Gibson.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: I've seen some people positive that maybe he's on, could
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: be on, like a trade candidate.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: I don't I don't know.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, you know you need I mean you
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: need I'm sort of anti running the ball, but you
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: actually need running back.
• 37:36
  Speaker 14: You have you have.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: I don't care who they are, but you have to
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: have some running backs on your roster.
• 37:40
  Speaker 8: Sure, I think they keep four.
• 37:41
  Speaker 12: I think Larson's gonna might stick to to Paul's point, like,
• 37:45
  Speaker 12: I think they're gonna need the running backs, and you're
• 37:47
  Speaker 12: not one hundred percent sure about Stevenson. And if you
• 37:50
  Speaker 12: can rely on Stevenson, well, if Gibson and Henderson become
• 37:53
  Speaker 12: like the one two punch, then you need a backup.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: And they had a backup with some size that could
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: maybe be in really down kind of guy and maybe
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: would consider it. But I still think that ramondro Stevens
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: is so unique on this team in terms of his
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: size and his ability to be balanced that it would
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: be hard to get by with just Gibson and Henderson.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: I feel like you'd be kind of limited.
• 38:12
  Speaker 12: The worst case scenario happens and Remondred has a year
• 38:15
  Speaker 12: like he did last year.
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: It's just.
• 38:18
  Speaker 12: Other than eating the dead money and just moving on, like,
• 38:21
  Speaker 12: there's not gonna be a trade market. There's barely trade
• 38:23
  Speaker 12: markets for running Back says it is, So I just
• 38:26
  Speaker 12: that's that's a difficult part. When we talk about Stevenson,
• 38:29
  Speaker 12: is like, how like, how are you moving him? Well,
• 38:31
  Speaker 12: you know, unless you're just gonna rip it up.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean I would expect both of those
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: guys from Stevenson and Gibson be part of the twenty
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: five picture, you know, going forward. I agree with you
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: know O'Brien the way he said it. You know, it's
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: kind of a contracts from our previous regime, and you're
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: gonna be looking to get you know, some of your
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: own guys much like they did this year. You can't
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: just like wipe them all away. But I think that
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: they they said goodbye to a handful of guys that
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: were under contract, like Andrews and Bentley and you know,
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: and some of those kinds of guys, and I think
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: there'll be more next year.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Wise and godscha, they were.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: Well Godshaw was traded. Wise was a free agent.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: He was Brad's in Ohio. What's up, Brad?
• 39:17
  Speaker 18: Hi, guys, how you doing that.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Good?
• 39:21
  Speaker 19: I've just got a couple uh questions and observations.
• 39:27
  Speaker 13: First of all, with.
• 39:28
  Speaker 19: The preseason games, I think the only thing you can
• 39:31
  Speaker 19: actually glean from that is once in a while you'll
• 39:34
  Speaker 19: see a player that popped out, you know, so there
• 39:40
  Speaker 19: you fight, you find that you actually hit a gym
• 39:44
  Speaker 19: once in a blue Uh. But you know, and I
• 39:48
  Speaker 19: wondered about it, we would might have if we keep
• 39:52
  Speaker 19: more receivers, like I'm anticipating if McDaniel's uses three and
• 40:00
  Speaker 19: were in five receivers, said with uh, Anderson and you
• 40:06
  Speaker 19: know two running back in a bunch formation in the shotgun.
• 40:12
  Speaker 19: Do you think the attributes of the wide receivers we
• 40:15
  Speaker 19: have even those, the differences would mesh well and like
• 40:19
  Speaker 19: bunch formations or something like that. And I believe Hope
• 40:25
  Speaker 19: and Baker that to me, this is their first season.
• 40:29
  Speaker 19: I mean they the coaching was sol atrocious and everywhere.
• 40:33
  Speaker 19: I just don't think they had an opportunity to do.
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: Anything, you know.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: But but you know, thanks Bratt. I mean, they did
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: what they did. You know, it's it's still their ability
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: out there, whether or not the coach. You know, they
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: were coached up to that point in college and everything.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: So I hear what he's saying that I don't don't.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: I don't buy that at all. Like, how was Booty
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: What do you mean how was Kai shan Bouti last year?
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: He came on at the end despite not having any coaching,
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: his talent, sort of his talent. You know, let's not
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: just put it. I mean, I'm just not here for
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: the whole like everything was a disaster last year because
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: of the coaching staff. I'm not going to get into.
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: It's not Gerard Mayo bashing season for me. I know
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: that that's been a real good thing for a lot
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: of people. That make them, everybody feel better about the
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: fact that they only won four games last year was
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: all because of the big bad mini coach two years ago.
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: And then you know, the guy who was too easy
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: on them last year. That's why they've won four games.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: It's not it's not a lot of the players that
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: they have haven't been good enough and that's why I
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: think Elliott Wolf, Ryan Cowden and Mike Rabel have worked
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: really hard to bring in a lot of new players
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: to replace a lot of the guys that have been
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: on those rosters the last year.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Said it almost on day one, this team is going
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: to look a lot different in August.
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: And that's the thing that has me most optimistic about
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: the future. It's a combination of the young guys that
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: they drafted, like Henderson, that that Mike and Evan talked
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: about earlier and the things that he might be able
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: to do, and bringing in veteran guys who I think
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: play at a level significantly higher than the guys that
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: they're replacing. And we don't everybody knows all the names,
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: and Milton Williams and Robert splains Carlton Davis's of the world,
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: those guys are better than the guys they're replacing.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Travis writes in from West Virginia. A couple of caller
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: on caller tidbits. One you might want to rein in
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Nate and Connecticut before we have another Pat Nagawam on
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: our hands. We don't need to hear from him every show. Well,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: but here's the thing Travis, A small percentage of the
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: people who listen call her email.
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: So if you call, you're more than welcome to call
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: every show. Well, taking the.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Calls a call, you know, like if you want to call, call,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: so Nate call, I'm gonna take Nate's call.
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: You don't steal that from me. I appreciate it.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: But you know, variety is obviously the spice of life.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: But like I said, a very very small percentage of
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: people who listen to sports radio in general actually call.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: They just want to listen or watch, you know, they
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: don't want to get on the phone. So I get that.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: So when people call, I answered the phone. You no.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: I love when people say first time caller that they're
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: still moved to call in and tell us something too.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: If James Pettigrew wants to refer to himself as the
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: most interesting Patriots fan in the world, well I refer
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: to him as that. Fred doesn't refer to him, it seems,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: but anyway, he might want to call in with a
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: more interesting topic than how many wins will the Patriots have? Fred,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: why do you even entertain that topic at this point?
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: So with criticisms for me for the callers, Travis in
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: West Virginia on his high horse. That's okay, that's all right.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Fire, I just want to go back for a second
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: with Paul was saying, I'm finding now to some intrigue
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: of what's the turnover like next year?
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: Are there? You know, it still feels like more to come.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: There, still feels like there's some pieces that they weren't
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: quite able to hammer in the way that they want
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: just yet.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: And a little bit to the point of what you
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: were saying, with a contract like Ramandra Stevenson or Michael
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: one of those kind of guys.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Dugger you know, to those guys after this year, do
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: we really see whether or not those guys fit into
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: what they And some.
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: Of the guys that they brought in, even that are
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: on you know, longer term contracts, they're probably not all
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: going to be just oh yeah, you know, he signed
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: a three year deal, so he was going to be
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: here for three years, you know, right, right.
• 44:26
  Speaker 12: But even like you know, to your point, just like
• 44:29
  Speaker 12: the Devis and the jennings Is and like like I
• 44:31
  Speaker 12: think get rid of all the right like I think
• 44:33
  Speaker 12: like some of the guys we're hoping, you know, Dugger
• 44:37
  Speaker 12: of Pepper's or Mandra Stevenson, Like maybe they're more of
• 44:39
  Speaker 12: the players that they work two years ago instead of
• 44:41
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• 44:45
  Speaker 12: where those two guys, in particular Jennings and Tavia are
• 44:49
  Speaker 12: going to fit into the vision that of the defense
• 44:51
  Speaker 12: that they're playing now. Like I just don't really understand
• 44:55
  Speaker 12: their role right now. So like I'm with you, like
• 44:58
  Speaker 12: those types of guys, Like I feel like they needed
• 45:01
  Speaker 12: to keep them around this year, probably for depth purposes,
• 45:04
  Speaker 12: just because they couldn't turn They can't have fifty three
• 45:06
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• 45:08
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  Speaker 1: How are we doing great? Hi Karen? You miss me?
• 47:42
  Speaker 8: Thanks and we haven't chatted you with you since the
• 47:45
  Speaker 8: in stadium practice and.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: The offense had some issues.
• 47:52
  Speaker 8: They were kind of sloppy.
• 47:53
  Speaker 18: A couple of interceptions from midri put the ball on
• 47:56
  Speaker 18: the ground.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Just curious. Yeah.
• 47:58
  Speaker 22: The turnovers, yeah, turnovers, you know, I thought we did
• 48:03
  Speaker 22: some really good things and uh try to show him that,
• 48:07
  Speaker 22: you know, the turnovers are certainly gonna get his beat.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: We had some passes that should have been caught with some.
• 48:18
  Speaker 22: You know, I would say decisions right, I think, and
• 48:21
  Speaker 22: hopefully you know when we ask a receiver, you know,
• 48:25
  Speaker 22: do a run a play like that that if it's
• 48:27
  Speaker 22: not there, there's other ways to get out of the
• 48:30
  Speaker 22: play and he could continue to run.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Out of the pocket, he could throw it away.
• 48:34
  Speaker 22: So those are great things to teach on in those
• 48:36
  Speaker 22: specific instances in Remandre. You know, when make a great
• 48:40
  Speaker 22: cut and you and you break through, know that that
• 48:44
  Speaker 22: every team in the league is and hopefully ours is
• 48:46
  Speaker 22: one of those teams that you know, the guys coming
• 48:48
  Speaker 22: to the ball and they're they're gonna come and hammer it,
• 48:50
  Speaker 22: and they're gonna they're gonna play full tilt to the tackle.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: And so.
• 48:55
  Speaker 22: The cut, great cut, good job in the open field
• 48:59
  Speaker 22: and you know, fun Fortunately we'll have to continue to
• 49:02
  Speaker 22: rep that and take.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Care of football.
• 49:03
  Speaker 22: But that that's something that those things that you mentioned,
• 49:07
  Speaker 22: I think overshadow a lot of the good stuff that
• 49:11
  Speaker 22: that we did in a in a in a team
• 49:13
  Speaker 22: setting that had the team split up and had different
• 49:16
  Speaker 22: guys working with with different you know, guys next.
• 49:20
  Speaker 17: To him times last year, I know you were here.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Does he get like a fresh clean slate from you?
• 49:27
  Speaker 22: Or everybody has a fresh clean slate, and you know,
• 49:30
  Speaker 22: we like to go through those things. And some of
• 49:32
  Speaker 22: that is techniques. Some of that is the second guy
• 49:34
  Speaker 22: in a lot of times on fumbles. If you want
• 49:36
  Speaker 22: to talk fumbles and ball security, I'm happy to do that.
• 49:39
  Speaker 22: But one person is going to have the ball in
• 49:41
  Speaker 22: their hand, uh, every play offensively, and the rest of
• 49:45
  Speaker 22: those ten players are going to be responsible for protecting
• 49:47
  Speaker 22: the guy with the ball, and so yep, there were
• 49:50
  Speaker 22: some instances where he put it on the ground and
• 49:52
  Speaker 22: there were some instances where you know, the second guy
• 49:54
  Speaker 22: came in, and we need to eliminate the second guy
• 49:57
  Speaker 22: from coming in by the way that we play and
• 50:00
  Speaker 22: our plate demeanor and the way that we finish. So uh,
• 50:03
  Speaker 22: clean slate. Everybody has has a clean slate. But also
• 50:08
  Speaker 22: you know, there's things that have to have to change
• 50:10
  Speaker 22: and you know, be better at every every position as
• 50:14
  Speaker 22: we move towards the season.
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: Towards the end of the game.
• 50:18
  Speaker 23: How much of that was good situational awareness from him
• 50:20
  Speaker 23: and how much of that maybe could have been a
• 50:21
  Speaker 23: better decision.
• 50:23
  Speaker 22: Well, I mean we would need to make you know,
• 50:24
  Speaker 22: I mean we need to if the if the corner
• 50:26
  Speaker 22: is flat footed, we probably need to throw it over
• 50:28
  Speaker 22: his head and live to fight another day. Credit credit
• 50:33
  Speaker 22: to double A. And I like sometimes when these things
• 50:38
  Speaker 22: come up, because now we can coach the quarterbacks to
• 50:42
  Speaker 22: to say, hey, if the guy's not bailing, if you're
• 50:44
  Speaker 22: just sitting there standing flat footed, and you go over there,
• 50:47
  Speaker 22: it's a it's a yes no, and you're gonna have
• 50:49
  Speaker 22: to just decide that. You know, you can't progress back
• 50:52
  Speaker 22: and come over here to the field, You're going to
• 50:54
  Speaker 22: get sacked or strip sacked. So throw it over his
• 50:57
  Speaker 22: head and being able to to catch that ball double
• 51:01
  Speaker 22: A and end it and then explain to him, you know,
• 51:03
  Speaker 22: go down, go down, go down.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: We have the lead.
• 51:05
  Speaker 22: And you know, these are all great things that come
• 51:07
  Speaker 22: up and allow us to coach. And just like the
• 51:12
  Speaker 22: drive before, you know, we throw one into Kays and
• 51:15
  Speaker 22: kay Sean does a nice job to get us in
• 51:17
  Speaker 22: the field goal range. Thomas chose to call time out.
• 51:21
  Speaker 22: He was the head coach. That was his decision. You know,
• 51:25
  Speaker 22: I told the team, hey, listen, we have a couple options.
• 51:27
  Speaker 22: We can now go to the ball. We can clock
• 51:29
  Speaker 22: the ball and be second down. We can center it
• 51:32
  Speaker 22: wherever we want to center it. We can slow clock it.
• 51:34
  Speaker 22: We can you know, take a knee. I can call
• 51:36
  Speaker 22: time out with three seconds and we kick the winner.
• 51:39
  Speaker 22: So those are all things that come up, and they
• 51:41
  Speaker 22: come up organically and allows us to teach it and
• 51:44
  Speaker 22: coach it. And I know that this happens having done
• 51:47
  Speaker 22: this for however many years, I can show them, but
• 51:51
  Speaker 22: until they actually are in that position which they're going
• 51:53
  Speaker 22: to come up. The more that we do to a minute,
• 51:55
  Speaker 22: just like today, we're going to have end of game situation.
• 51:57
  Speaker 22: Ball is going to be on the twenty five yard line,
• 52:00
  Speaker 22: going to be forty five seconds. You're going to see
• 52:01
  Speaker 22: what the last plays are from the five yard line
• 52:04
  Speaker 22: or the ten yard line, because that's just where the
• 52:06
  Speaker 22: ball is going to be, I would imagine.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: So then we can coach those up and see where
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: it goes. Sorry, it's a long.
• 52:12
  Speaker 22: Winded answer, but there's a lot of different situations that
• 52:16
  Speaker 22: come up just by repping it, and I can show them,
• 52:20
  Speaker 22: but then they actually there in it. I said, Okay,
• 52:22
  Speaker 22: now we can coach from from our example come.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: This preseason, gave what's your plan with the quarterback rotation?
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: And my outtra It's Monday.
• 52:29
  Speaker 22: We're focusing on the red zone, focusing on being real
• 52:33
  Speaker 22: precise down there, not going backwards, not hurting ourselves defense,
• 52:37
  Speaker 22: you know, defending every blade of grass, making sure that
• 52:40
  Speaker 22: we undercut when receivers, all the details for the red
• 52:43
  Speaker 22: zone that are going to hopefully help us in a season.
• 52:45
  Speaker 22: That's what my focus is, getting back to fundamentals.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 52:49
  Speaker 22: And then you know, when Friday comes around, I'll try
• 52:51
  Speaker 22: to do my best to let everybody know.
• 52:54
  Speaker 23: You said that when you look forward to the first
• 52:56
  Speaker 23: full padded practice to identify some of those guys and
• 52:59
  Speaker 23: you cut your eye and what have you Now that
• 53:02
  Speaker 23: you've seen some of those players, what do you want
• 53:03
  Speaker 23: from them now here on out?
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think continued growth.
• 53:08
  Speaker 22: You know, we're still in training camp, and so the
• 53:11
  Speaker 22: ones that have continued to show improvement and that have
• 53:14
  Speaker 22: maybe earned some more reps, you know, continuing to do
• 53:20
  Speaker 22: those types of things and to continue to take the
• 53:22
  Speaker 22: next step to continue to compete.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: For a role.
• 53:25
  Speaker 22: And then the ones, you know, have an opportunity to
• 53:29
  Speaker 22: to try to get going if you know, maybe they
• 53:31
  Speaker 22: haven't you know, put their best work out there.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: I don't defer to these guys. Just step in there.
• 53:39
  Speaker 21: Cornley the field early on Friday on just you have
• 53:41
  Speaker 21: the update on kind of what happened.
• 53:43
  Speaker 22: The update was just kind of got rolled up, and
• 53:46
  Speaker 22: he won't be out here. I wouldn't anticipate him this week,
• 53:50
  Speaker 22: So he'll be working hard to get back, just like
• 53:53
  Speaker 22: everybody else.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: That's not going to be out there.
• 53:58
  Speaker 22: Other than that, I wouldn't expect them here at practice today,
• 54:01
  Speaker 22: and uh, you know, probably not against Washington on Wednesday.
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: Like we've seen the two kickers kick on alternating days,
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: we've seen to kick on the same days of living
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: in the stadium.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: What are your impressions thus well.
• 54:12
  Speaker 22: They both have done very well, and I mean, I'm
• 54:15
  Speaker 22: sure nineteen to twenty one or whatever they both are,
• 54:18
  Speaker 22: and I think they've gotten better and it's a good
• 54:20
  Speaker 22: competition and I'm glad that they both got to kick
• 54:23
  Speaker 22: into the stadium and try to get the extra points
• 54:25
  Speaker 22: and get the end of game kicks.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: And everything that we did.
• 54:29
  Speaker 22: So you know, just try to get the volume and
• 54:33
  Speaker 22: try to you know, every day Jeremy and Tom have
• 54:35
  Speaker 22: a have a plan for them on how they're going
• 54:37
  Speaker 22: to kick.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: You see from the kickoff, because we've talked about that.
• 54:41
  Speaker 22: Yeah, I think I think they're working through what that
• 54:45
  Speaker 22: looks like.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 54:46
  Speaker 22: You have a couple of different choices if you you know,
• 54:48
  Speaker 22: want to try to put it up there high and
• 54:50
  Speaker 22: try to get it as close to the goal line,
• 54:52
  Speaker 22: but don't get cute, right, you can't have the ball
• 54:55
  Speaker 22: to the thirty five yard line. And then also some
• 54:58
  Speaker 22: of these you know, whether they're the low liner, whatever
• 55:02
  Speaker 22: that may be. I think that's where you talk about
• 55:06
  Speaker 22: practice and we'll have to figure out what's best for
• 55:09
  Speaker 22: us and you know, decide on something.
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: Like understanding everyone's got a long way to go here
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: in camp?
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Are there any positions you feel like you need to
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: learn more about every single morning?
• 55:18
  Speaker 22: I want to continue to learn about our players, about
• 55:21
  Speaker 22: those positions, about the combinations, and that that's what training
• 55:26
  Speaker 22: camps for is, you know, really just to.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, get get get the players.
• 55:32
  Speaker 22: In there that can continue to to to improve and
• 55:36
  Speaker 22: to compete and go from transitioning against our offense to
• 55:40
  Speaker 22: quickly adjusting to what Washington is going to do on Wednesday.
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: I know we haven't seen much of Matt Collins on
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: the field so far, but what have you seen from
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: him off the field?
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Helping out some younger guys.
• 55:50
  Speaker 22: Spend a lot of time here in the off season
• 55:52
  Speaker 22: locked in, engaged. Rare for a player to be able
• 55:57
  Speaker 22: to get that much information and not practice that is
• 56:02
  Speaker 22: that's hard.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: That's hard, just.
• 56:04
  Speaker 22: Even thinking back when I was in those opportunities to
• 56:09
  Speaker 22: be able to do that and still understand the details
• 56:14
  Speaker 22: and not practicing it. So locked in, ready to go,
• 56:17
  Speaker 22: excited to see him get out there and practice.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Sorry, go ahead, and now great moments in.
• 56:27
  Speaker 12: History to make the trade happen, but they got an
• 56:30
  Speaker 12: All Star.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: When is the trade hitline?
• 56:31
  Speaker 8: By the way, July end of July?
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: And I just don't know why trading for.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: A month and a half. It's a month and a
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: half from now.
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: You don't know how calendars work. It's less than a
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: month away the trade deadlines. He said, end of July.
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: Usually it's the middle of July, but it's the end
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: of June. Now, it's like.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: That's the middle of middle of June.
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: So it's less than a month away.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: I said a month and a half because he said
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: it was the end of July.
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: You know, so the thirty first is a month and
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: a half. Okay, Okay, you're right, it's happen and a half.
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: Why do you have to wait till you're right? I said,
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: it's a long time. I said, you're right. No, it's
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: not a long time.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 57:15
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• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Is the email address uh ted in Las Vegas, right,
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: sin uh. He has a question about the preseason games.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: He wants us to clarify whether or not he can
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: listen to preseason radio broadcasts in Las Vegas. Before last week, Scrimmaged,
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: the Patriots website said the radio broadcast was available on
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: a computer throughout the US, but I couldn't find a
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: link to get it. Today's website applies. Friday's radio broadcast
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: is only available in New England.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: That is correct.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: You can only get the preseason game in the States
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: in New England. So what I would suggest is move
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: to Germany or Brazil because you'll be able to listen
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: to it live. Because Germany and home countries.
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, quit to move for you can.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: Come to New England. Yeah, but unfortunately, per league rules,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: we can't broadcast audio or the game itself outside of
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: New England because it's not our market. I think it's dumb.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: It's like, really, we're protecting preseason, you know.
• 58:28
  Speaker 8: Be able to listen to the team you want to
• 58:29
  Speaker 8: listen to.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: I agree, I agree, So I think they'll get there eventually,
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: but yes, for now, only in New England can you
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: listen to the game.
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: I drove up the Pasadena wants to watch a Patriots
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: preseason game. That's how desperate I was some game.
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: Why would it be in Pasadena and not where you.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Were went to like a Patriots bar, Like it wasn't
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: streaming anywhere other than like a bar where a club that's.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: The big one San Diego, the Sonny mcclains, that's in LA.
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's well, there's.
• 59:03
  Speaker 6: Two of them.
• 59:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I was there. Yeah, I know that.
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: I've only been sure.
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: I always thought that was an l A thing.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: It is, it is, it is in La.
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been to those that it's only characters.
• 59:15
  Speaker 12: Yeah, it was only not even because you know, it
• 59:17
  Speaker 12: was working. But I was only able to go like
• 59:19
  Speaker 12: once or twice. But it was fun when I did get.
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: It's so fun. I mean, like it's like nine am.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: The line would already be out the door, and you know,
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: usually i'd sit down and be like nine forty five
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: and everybody's settling in til you.
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: Know, like I'm not gonna drink yet, And then by
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: like nine fifty five, I was like, well.
• 59:34
  Speaker 6: That.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: But I love that timeframe though, because then you know
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: one o'clock one thirty, the first games are over.
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: You you know, you have the rest of the day
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: to do what you need to do.
• 59:41
  Speaker 12: It's not great when you were working and you have
• 59:43
  Speaker 12: to be there at six am. Call time does not ideal,
• 59:46
  Speaker 12: But woe is me?
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Uh Joel and Ottawa. I really think the first step
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: and having some sort of developmental program for NFL players
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: would be expand the practice roster, double it and allow
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: each team to develop their own players in their system.
• 59:59
  Speaker 8: I'm not sure there's enough to double it.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: There's sixteen guys on them.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: Is it controversial to just say there should just be
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: one league where the best of the best play and
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: either get into that league and you play good in
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: that league, or you.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: Know, I don't think that's controversial.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: Seventeen different developmental leagues, just in case one random guy
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: might come through and help your team in ten years.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: I don't know. We were kind of talking about this
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: soft air. Maybe we shouldn't do this on air, but
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: every year we do, like the roster Raydownson. Every year
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: we're like, I don't know, like, did they have fifty
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: three got Like, I don't think it's that hard. Don't
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: I think that they're looking for talent? Yeah, I don't.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: I think there's a shortage of you know, I think
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: you could chop off the bottom five guys of every
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: roster and just change them and teams would be completely
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: and totally unaffected.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: But isn't that the point of developmental league? Like some
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: guys are later.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: On there's not enough guys there had my point.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: There has to be a place for these guys to develop.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I just don't think there's enough talent.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 12: I think the way I look at it is like
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 12: more less like if we had thirty two players on
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 12: a practice squad and more like let's say, uh, I
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 12: just use him as an example, like Kiden Wallace.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 8: Let's say Kiden Wallace.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 12: Is just going to ride the bench just here and
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 12: he's not going to get any game opportunities whatsoever. But
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 12: that's a former third round pick that has some upside.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 12: It has some potential if he was able to work
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 12: on his craft in a spring league and then hit
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 12: the ground running in a training camp setting, you know,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 12: come into the could someone.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 8: Like that emerge?
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 12: Not could a UDFA that's the second, you know, eighteenth
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 12: guy on the practice squad emerge. We're talking about like
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 12: the guys fifty through fifty three on an NFL roster,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 12: maybe like somewhere in that range.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, uh Jordan and Marilyn writes in and wanted to
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: open up the door for an around the NFL conversation.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: I know you guys keep your eyes around the league.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: So what's something you've heard from other camps around the
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: NFL that has your interest piqued me? Personally, I have
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: three quick ones. Shador Sanders is fourth string on the Browns,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams frustration and drills, and Amika Ibuka lighting it
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: up in training camp, which I know my phrasing will
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: upset Paul. The Caleb Williams one that does intrigue me.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: I've heard nothing about any of that except for that
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: Shad Door Sanders. I saw a tweet he said that
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: he was fourth on the hurt shoulder. Shoulder. I never
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: heard anything.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: About the Bears offense. Even the new head coach has
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: come out and said, we don't look good.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: I've seen some bad clips from their training camp which
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: could just be selectively brought in, and I'm sure you
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: could find some of those kind of plays with Patriots
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: camp too, but there have been a couple and I
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: don't know if there's something going on there. And I'm
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: just curious because Ben Johnson, I really liked him through
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: the initial process when he was hired, and you know,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: it just seemed like he really had a focus. But
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: now I'm kind of thinking, like, this guy seems pretty
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: hard ass, and maybe this isn't going to be quite
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: as smooth as as he anticipated. Because think they've made
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: some great was in the off season. I mean, they
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: really did a great job on their offensive line. I
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: mean they're stacked at receiver. I mean, they've done everything
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: you could ask. They hired the hot new offensive coordinator
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: that everyone's but I saw one where they were trying
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: to pull like a double pass off and.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: It just looks like so clunky.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 12: I think the thing that I find interesting with Caleb
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 12: is that, like, this is an offense with Ben Johnson
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 12: where you need to color inside the lines, and he's
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 12: a quarterback that wants to color outside the lines, And like,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 12: how do they find that? Like you could not find
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 12: a quarterback more different than Jared Goff than Caleb Williams.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 12: Like that is they are total polar opposites of one another.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 12: So how do they run the system that he was
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 12: running in Detroit or the quarterback that who inherently wants
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 12: to improvise, you know, Like so it's just kind of
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 12: like a weird in that a little.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: Bit of eccentric personalities too, with Caleb James and Ben Johnson.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: Is just a little different weird.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure I would agree with with that, Mike.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: I would also just ask and I literally have not
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: seen any of it. I don't like envelope. It just
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: comes across the NFL network, does not go on my
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: TV at this time of year.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: Because I was becoming more like Eric.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: No, I don't know, I'm like I'm right now, it's
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: just all about the Patriots training camp today. I don't
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: really care like training camp central nonsense. I just skip
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: right over that, gloss right over that. But I would
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: be curious with Caleb Williams. Is it he's not picking
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: up the offense and he's physically not playing well, he's
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 5: been inaccurate or does he have the other things which
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: I would be far more concerned about, where his reputation
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: of not being a great teammate, not being a great leader,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: those things rearing their head. Okay, that's what I would
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: be worried about. Picking up a new system. To me,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: that's he has the ability. Oh yeah, but there's questions
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: about his makeup and if this is related to that,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: I'd be far more concerned if I were a Chicago fan.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm sorry.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 12: Based off the this press commence is probably like a
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 12: week or ten days old at this point that Fred
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 12: was talking about with Ben Johnson. But Ben Johnson admittedly
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 12: said that he was playing slow, like his processing speed was,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 12: you know, was too slow and you know, just kind
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 12: of trying to figure out the offense. The other one
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 12: that I have heard the last couple of days, and
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 12: because we loved the demise of the New York Jets,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 12: it just this just really I enjoyed this in every way,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 12: shape or form, apparently Justin Fields is having an awful
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 12: training camp and is like three days in a row. Now,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 12: I mean, look, practice stats are practice dats. Take them
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 12: for what they're worth. But obviously what they're reporting in
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 12: New York is not very good with Justin Fields.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: So what do we hear about Aaron Rodgers?
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 8: Not much.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 12: I haven't heard a ton of either way with him,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 12: you know. I think that from what I've seen, it's
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 12: like pretty similar to what he looked like last year
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 12: with the Jets, but not anything totally definitive. But I
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 12: definitely have heard the Caleb stuff, and I've heard that
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 12: Justin Fields has been a train wreck in New York.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 8: Those two things.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: We'll get the bills on Hard Knocks tonight, first episode,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: So a little peak behind the scenes with the.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: Buffalo bills, you know.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, Drew's in Connecticut. Hey, Drew, you got.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: Something I did hear about James Cook.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: That's a problem.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: I saw that in the news, that about his hold
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 5: in not practicing on all right, go ahead, Drew.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 14: Andrew, I just had two quick questions I wanted to
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 14: ask you guys about. I was curious, like how the
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 14: safety position is kind of panting out I know we
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 14: have like the box sacies with Dugger and Peppers, and
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 14: I know they're trying to figure out what the deep
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 14: safety to play the field, and I'm kind of wondering
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 14: what your guys just take on. Who's like kind of
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 14: leading that, like out of the players we have with
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 14: talking in the Muslim like, who's kind of standing out
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 14: is going to be the lead deep safety? And I
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 14: also want to ask you guys, how do you guys
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 14: see like fins room this camp and where does he
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 14: kind of ranked with the receiver group team tight Like
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 14: do you see him making the roster maybe or is
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 14: it like pulking Baker in front?
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: M all right, thanks Drew.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: Safety safety, I mean Dugger and Peppers and Jalen Hawkins
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: is the third guy that's generally speaking. There has been
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: some rotation, opportunities for Craig Woodson to get in there,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: a little bit opportunities for Marcosteps to get in there.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: But at this point I would say those are the
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: three guys and that's how it's it's gonna kind of work.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 12: I continue to wonder with the safeties, is there a
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 12: world where Dugger and Peppers aren't always on the field
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 12: together and in some of their three nickel corner you know,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 12: three corner nickel maybe even dime packages. Is there two
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 12: safeties and they're kind of more complimentary than those two
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 12: are to one another, And like is that Hawkins? Is
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 12: that Craig Woodson. I think they are experimenting with that
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 12: of seeing are we really at our best with two
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 12: box safety body types on the field at once, or
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 12: if we had a truth strong and free is that
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 12: are we a little bit more off.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: And reading between them lines?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: I would say I think they like Pepper's better as
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: that sub linebacker position playing close to the to the
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: line of scrimmage.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: So I know Gregor Bernard has said some things about
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: Kyle Duger.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: Maybe you know, potentially losing some of his size of
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: his role.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: I haven't really seen that yet.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: To me, it just seems like they're still searching and
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: trying to give younger guys some opportunities. But something to
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: watch for sure.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: John writes in he wants to know if we have
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: any updates on Terrell Williams how he's doing.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 12: Yeah, he was back at practice today. He was sitting
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 12: on a look like a trash can or something like
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 12: that that they had him sitting on but he was
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 12: back at practice today, so that's that's a good sign.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like if he has to go around
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: in a scooter, let him go around as a scooter, Like
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: there's no reason for him to be pushing it. You know.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: I'd like to hear from him when we talked to
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: him once after they put together that press conference over
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: Zoom when he wasn't around the team, But we haven't
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: spoken to him in person yet.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: Be interesting to see.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: I assume that's going to happen the next couple next
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: week or so, but see where he's at, what he's
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: got to say, how he's feeling.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: And you know, hear all the team talk.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: A lot about him and getting guys fired up, and
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: it sounds like he has that defensive edge to him.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: I'm just like to kind of get a sense of
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: what that's like a little bit.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: We haven't been around him much.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: Jeff and Canada. Before training camp, I'd say the consensus
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: of all the hosts was eight or nine wins was
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: a plausible season. Now you've watched two weeks of practice
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: in person, so I'm wondering if any of you are
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: now doubting your earlier thoughts or maybe you're even more
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: confident from my perspective only hearing your descriptions because I
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: can't handle Paul's shows what what you're saying sounds early
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: similar to the last five training camps really well, I.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 5: Would push back on that. Yeah, I think we all
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: feel it's been better, and I think we've said that. Yeah,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: I think it hasn't been great, but it's been better
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: than what we've seen.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: Right, it's been competitive, you know, it's been competitive back
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: and forth with both sides. I just I'd love to
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: see more consistency out of the offense. I evn't talked
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: about last year, where we felt like defense was always
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: winning and you probably made you get a little too
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: high on the defense and maybe not low enough on
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: the offense.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: But this year, I feel both sides have had their moments.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: But again, my biggest question is about Drake and crunch
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: time been saying that all offseason and in the limited
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: that we've seen him, we haven't really seen much yet
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: from him, and that i'd say, I'm.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: A little bit a little bit discouraged about the offensive
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: line right now.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: I would agree, you know, I just I just wish
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: there was a couple more spots where I felt really
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: good and stable. I know there are going to be
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: some questions, but I have I have real questions about
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: that because that ties directly into Drake It at crunch
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: time and Max Crosby's coming on that field week one,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: and that's going to be quite the interesting matchup, especially
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: if you've got two, maybe three rookies playing significant roles
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: along the offensive line.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: It's a lot to handle.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 12: Yeah, this was right. What grinded my gears a little bit.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 12: It wasn't so just now the two rookies thing, Uh,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 12: why are we painting that as such a negative thing?
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 12: Like why, oh, two rookies, Like that's gonna I look
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 12: at that as an overwhelming positive, Like they have two
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 12: rookies that look like they can play and are significantly
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 12: better than the guys that they're replacing, and yet we're
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 12: painting that as some sort of problem. Like I just
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 12: I guess I'm just like confused as to because that
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 12: question has been asked at press conferences, It's been talked
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 12: a lot about Paul's shows.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 8: Oh that's asking a lot out of two rookies.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 12: I was on the Morning Show the other day and
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 12: that was the when I brought them that up.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 8: That was the knee jerk reaction to it was rookies.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 12: Yeah, Whereas I look at it and say, they're elevating
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 12: the talent. Like the talent, these guys are better than
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 12: the guys that they were replacing.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: Well, are they gonna have their bumps this year? Yeah?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: But to me, if these are the two guys that
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: for the next number of years are going to be
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: the left side of your line, you know, let's get
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: through the bumps and develop these guys.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, not the only point, and I agree generally.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: I just I look at it specifically to week one,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: when you have two rookies starting going against the best
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: pass rusher in the league.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: I I agree with the general point of Evan. It's
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: just you know, we all stress how important a good
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: start is this year.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: Would you rather have a strange at left guard?
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: No, but I think it's going to be a challenge
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: for anybody, and having a good September is pretty important
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: to this team. They have got an advantage of having
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: some home games that they want to take advantage of.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: And you know, one or two plays where Max Crosby
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: does what Max Crosby does, regardless of who it is.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it could. It could change.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 18: The Max Crosby's in the world are going to get
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 18: their point though, If you have the opportunity to have
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 18: two guys, you know, be mainstays for your offensive line,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 18: I'd rather get it started earlier.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: I'm not as convinced about you know, you would mention
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: you were a little disappointed in the offensive line. I
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: would agree. I've been a little disappointed so far. Doesn't
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: mean I'm going to be disappointed in October. And I
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 5: do feel Jared Wilson and Will Campbell are the best
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 5: options they have. We'll find out if those are good
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: enough options, but they are the best options they have.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: I don't think there's much of an argument against that.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean i'd tie it too to just I
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: think when Morgan Moses was signed and we had him
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: in here and it was like stability, and it has
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: I'm just you know, it's been in and out in
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: But I'm more disappointed or more concerned about that than
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: i am about the left side.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because I'm disappointed about it all. It hasn't been great.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 12: The left side is two rookies with a ton of
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 12: upside and talent that, yeah, to Fred's point, are going
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 12: to take on some you know, take their bumps and
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 12: bruises along the way here, But you're building towards something.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 8: You're building towards those two guys.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: I like Fred's point being.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 12: Together for a while on that left side. Jared Wilson's
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 12: future might be at center in the long term, but regardless,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 12: like he's going to be in in your five, and
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 12: so is Will Campbell. And for a team that had
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 12: the worst offensive line in football last year by every margin,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 12: isn't it a good thing to be elevating the talent
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 12: of that room and having but they have we'll see,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 12: I'm ready to say that they have Like this is
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 12: defensive point is like you're going to have to go
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 12: through these bumps and bruises to find out.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: I think you might very well be talking this time
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: next year of those two guys moving over to the
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: right one spot. When the head coach talks about the
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: tackles versatility, okay.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 12: But or head a little or we could like actually
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 12: realize what he's talking about When he says versatility, he's
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 12: talking about versatility in terms of the different blocks that
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 12: he can make.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: So like it's one way I looked at it. That's
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: one one thing I brought up to Mike when we
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: were talking about today. I said, you can look at
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 5: that a number of different ways. You've decided what way
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: it is. I I don't know what he was, no one,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 5: no one else, So I don't know what he was
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: talking about.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 12: That's fair, but I have and I'm not like trying
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 12: to come at you, but like I had, Barth got asked.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 12: Bart asked us the very first question out of the
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 12: shoot yesterday. We were joking about it when he did
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 12: his hit on Felger and Maz was Felger making this
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 12: out to be that the versatility was about Will Campbell
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 12: being able to play guard right and as versative positional versatility.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 12: I took it in the moment as versatility, as in,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 12: he can make a number of different blocks right, he
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 12: can down block, he can kick out, he can pull,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 12: he can reach up to the second level, like those
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 12: different types of things.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 5: Can you pass protect?
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 8: I don't know, we'll find out, but that's the.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 5: Only thing that matters to me about a left tackle.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 5: You can give all those other stuff, that's great. If
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: he can't pass protect, he's going to be a guide.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 12: I'm just saying that I would much rather this than
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 12: what they had last year, and he too, And my
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 12: bigger concerns with this offensive line are actually about the
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 12: veterans on the offensive line, because the two young kids
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 12: are gonna they're gonna have their ebbs and flows, but
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 12: at least we're going somewhere with those two. Let's see,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 12: you know, brad Berry, Morgan Moses, like, those guys have
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 12: got to prove it to me more than the rookies
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 12: at this point.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, fran I like you'll point the best.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'll argue against myself. The only thing
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: you could argue against me is Okay, Will Campbell and
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: Jared Wilson are your best bets at left on the
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: left side. But who are they replacing?
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so low against that, The bar was so low.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: If they didn't replace them, my god, the sky would
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: be falling. So yes, I I Wilson's you know a
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: surprise that he's come on so quickly, so well. But
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: if Will Campbell wasn't the left guard tackle from day
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: one like that would be a shock to me because
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: he had no competition. For one, There's no competition for him,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: and what very.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: Little competition they had was on the pup list, yea,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 5: but even then, I don't think that there was much
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: of a competition.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: He's not he's not he's not.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 5: In my view, he's not really a competition, I agree with. Yeah.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: Now, the thing, like so Campbell, I expected to see
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: what I'm seeing Wilson, I think is the encouraging thing
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: is that he has impressed everyone so quickly, not just
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: in his physical ability but his mental ability to pick
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: things up, which lends to you know what Evan's saying.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: He'll probably end up at center eventually, but right now,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: if you're looking for your top five, you know, you
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: got to fit him in somewhere, and so Guard is
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: probably where he's going to start and then maybe eventually
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: take over for Bradbury.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: But no, he's one of the brightest.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: He's one of the brightest storylines along that offensive line
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: that we've had since Michael, when you came in and
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: instantly started to get it, and.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: There hasn't really been a lot of that. Well, Campbell's
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: the unique thing. He's the fourth overall pick. Now, that's
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: to me the best.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: If Cole Strange could all of a sudden like just
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: get it. Yeah, you know, I get he was definitely overdrafted.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: He wasn't a first round talent. But if he could
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: just you know, do what Belichick thought he would be
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: to do and and be a good guard, and then
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: you move Wilson over to the center. Okay, we'll go
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: and when you and then if we can you know,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: manage Morgan Moses. That's where you thought this, you know.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking two weeks ago, Fred, and
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: I think unfortunately what we've seen is that ship I
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: think is sailing pretty quick with Strange, who's hanging on.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: By a thread right now.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: But I do wonder when this all kind of started
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: to happen that it never really was Wilson, you know,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: probably to Evans point that he's hit a lot of
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: how much is on the plate of the center, that
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: they felt like brad Berry at center and Wilson at
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: left guard is better than now Wilson at center and
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: Strange left for now.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: Right, because you don't want to put too much on them.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: So but but I think we probably all agreed there's
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: probably a decent sized chance that he going to play
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: center this year. At some point that injuries or performance
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: are going to change, and they're going to say he's
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: played some games, it's not going.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: To be ideal. It's who plays left guard? Now, you know,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: maybe it's.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: Maybe it is cool strange.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 12: I just feel like we're you know, if Will Campbell
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 12: and I know people have mixed reviews about Will Campbell
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 12: and you can everyone can have their their take on that.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 12: But if Will Campbell and Jared Wilson were moving in
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 12: the other direction, as in a negative direction, that this
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 12: wasn't working out and they whiffed again on two offensive
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 12: linemen in the draft, like that would be a huge
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 12: talking point. Now we've put it in the spin cycle
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 12: where now all of a sudden, having inexperience as the
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 12: talking point, and it's like to me that finding these
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 12: linemen in the draft is a huge positive.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: Well, it's at least I'm just going to take the
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: bold stance and waiting to see him play.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: I know, but at least at this point in camp,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: we're not saying nobody's doing well, so we might as
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: well play the young guys. But like, the young guys
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: are obviously better than the older guys.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: But I don't think there's any argument. I don't think
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: you can argue with when they're going up.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 8: Against Milton Williams and Christian Barmore, like when Jared Wilson.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 5: I've seen some days where they look like they're non competitive.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 5: I've seen some days where they look good.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 8: Okay, I've seen both.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: I think Fred's comments at the beginning of practice today
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: about a chase on to me is accurate.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: He's had some good rep.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: More often than not those guys on the edge of
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: given Will Campbell fits. So some days I like what
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: I see, some days I don't. I'm gonna wait to
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: see what happens over the balance of the season before
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: I just declare victory. That's all.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 8: I just like these guys here, and that will be.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: Tomorrow's practice, I know. But we're just gonna wait.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: And we got a very very good inducation last year
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: from the joints.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: I'm not expecting that. I'm not expecting a train wreck
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: like we saw last year because I don't think Washington
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 5: is anywhere near as talent as Philadelphia.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 12: I have a lot of reservations about the offensive line too,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 12: so I'm not I'm just coming at it from the
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 12: point of like I've like I I've seen a lot
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 12: of young linemen come through here over the last handful
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 12: of years that have not been able to hold their
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 12: own in these practices, Like I don't think Colt ever
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 12: looked the part and at any point, and I think
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 12: Jared Wilson already looks better than cold Strange.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't argue with that. So I just that to
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: me is we're moving in the right direction. I think
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: col Strange is a threat away from being like a
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 5: cut he.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: Could and I think that, I mean Tavin's point, it's
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: not just about this year too, it's about like taking
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: the long term view. And we talked earlier about some
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: of the positions that maybe they couldn't quite get to
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: or they had contracts that they weren't ready to get
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: out of just yet.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: So it's about how does it all fit together next
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: year too.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure that Mike Rabel would tell you
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: I wasn't going to turn this thing over into my
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: team in one year for.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: Not making the playoffs.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 5: For Rabel, it's year one, right, you know, right, And
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 5: that's where I would say, you know, just let it
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: unfold a little, yeah, Like, don't know, like everything has
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: to be about like the playoffs this year, you know.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 5: But back to the way we started this withs like
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 5: things that grind your gears, like why does everybody have
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 5: to say, like, well, they have to do this and
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 5: they have to do that, you know, and they need
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: to be like I heard my guy yesterday, like they
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: need to It's year two of Drake May and Mike
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: and Tony, Like, you have to have this level of
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 5: an offense. You have to be winning nine or ten
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: get like, no, you don't. You have to be improved, right,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: show signs of improvement, be on the right path, be
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: a better team as the season goes on. I don't
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: know what that's gonna translate to, but I'm not gonna
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: just pull the plug on the whole thing if all
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: of a sudden they only win six games or seven
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: games instead of eleven, Right, I'm not just gonna pencil
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 5: in wins and say, well, damn it, they underachieved if
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: they don't hit it.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean in Tevin's point too, like there's a
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: lot of excitement for me about what could possibly be
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: with with Campbell and Wilson, but there's also that feeling
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: on the other side with the veterans of like how
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: how many games and snaps.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: Can we squeeze out? Of Morgan Moses.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: How many snaps can we squeeze out of Garrett Bradberry
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: that you know.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: Straps are gonna squeeze out of Carlton Davis.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's that's that's a whole other side of
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: the ball.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: But at least with those guys, I feel like if
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: we see some downs that they still have enough talent
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: to feel like they're gonna improve. Whereas the right side
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: of the line are we tread and water a little bit?
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: And maybe is that why they're still kind of looking
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: like we still don't have the long term answer at
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: right tackle, no matter how much we like the potential
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: of the left side.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 18: Oh, long term, absolutely, that's the case's point the best.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I guess I'm we're coming full circle here, Like
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 12: what Paul said about like why does it have to
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 12: be at this certain level. I just feel like there's
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 12: this like everybody's in a rush to get this team
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 12: back into contention.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 8: And I get that.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 12: I get we all want them to win and be better,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 12: like we all want that, but it's gonna take time
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 12: and it's a process. And the evaluation in my mind
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 12: of Campbell and Wilson is significantly better than the process
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 12: of like Cole Strange and Leyden Robinson and some of
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 12: the other guys that they've drafted over the last couple
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 12: of years where it was like right out of the gate,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 12: it was like, I don't know about this, Like I
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 12: don't know the Cole Strange first round is not looking
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 12: like that guy's the first round talent.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 12: I don't have those reservations about these rookies, like we'll
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 12: see what they look like in real games and all
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 12: that kind of stuff, and they're going to have their lumps.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 12: But like the whole offensive line, like I don't want
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 12: it to make it sound like I think they're all
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 12: a sudden going to have the Eagles offensive line like
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 12: pass protection.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 5: If you didn't say that pass.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 12: Protection one through five is is a concert All five
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 12: guys I think have pass protection concerns.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 5: And that's basically all I'm saying. You summed up my
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: whole argument right there.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 8: Right Like all five of them do run blocking.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 12: I actually think they're going to be pretty good at
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 12: m but really all of them are are coming at
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 12: it from a pass protection being the weaker part of
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 12: their games. So it's a question of can they mask it,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 12: can they figure.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: It out, which is so connected to Drake's development and
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: some of those critical moments.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: Yep, let's get back to the hot line. Eight five
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: to five, pass five hundred. Jerry says he's on the
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: road to Foxborough. What's up, Jerry, Hello, Jerry, Hey.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 10: Guys, Yeah, hey lad, First time caller, long time listener.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 10: I've been watching these guys for over fifty years. I
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 10: have seen the ugly, the bad, the good, and kind
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 10: of back to the ugly, and so I'm kind of
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 10: heartened that agree, uh whatever, It's going to take a while,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 10: and I have the patience to stick with it. But
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 10: my question twofold one is hopefully when I'm up there,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 10: because I'm on my way fulfilling a bucket list, headed
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 10: headed to Foxborough right now from Virginia to catch a game,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 10: uh not real, I mean the preseason, but practice anyway.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 10: And so so my thoughts were looking at the group
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 10: we've got now, having Josh back, I see with Diggs
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 10: and Douglas kind of a kind of that that middle
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 10: games wide open now if we just get somebody to
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 10: push it deep. Uh, and couple that with Trevion Henderson
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 10: as a James White kind of role hit those wheel routes.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 10: I'm I'm pretty darned positive on where we're headed right now,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 10: So just kind of your thoughts on that. And then lastly,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 10: any chance you guys are going to be hanging around
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 10: where I can flat palms with y' all because I'd
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 10: love to meet you guys.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: Well you go. Are you going to be here tomorrow?
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm com Yeah, I'm on the road right.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: Now to row after the show. We got to do
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: the show first row. Yeah, I'll be in the well,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 5: I'll be in the media tent.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: All right, we'll walk round. But Jerry, thanks for calling
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: for the first time. I appreciate the call.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 12: Is his concern in terms of the past other than
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 12: the past protection that we just talked about. Enough, Yeah,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 12: twenty yard plus yards down the field, Like who who's
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 12: threatening in that area of the field. That's probably why
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 12: I'm holding out hope for Javon Baker, because he's like
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 12: one of the few guys on the team that I
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 12: see that might have the talent, you know, the ability
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 12: to do that. But to go back to your thing, Fred,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 12: like you can only throw the ball within twenty yards
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 12: of the line of scrimmage, You're gonna be easy to defend.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't know how any of this is going
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: to work out, But would you say, right now, Drake
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: has more weapons than he did last year.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean even just digs the pontics.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I would say yes, I am.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: And plus Douglas has looked improved, and Booty looks like
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: he's continued to improve a little bit. And Kyle Williams
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: is a little bit of an unknown at this point.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: And I would say Diggs and Henderson look like parts
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 5: of the parts of the passing game that they didn't
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: have last year.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 12: Would be a bummer, Like he throws such a pretty
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 12: go ball that like to not have Drake's ability to
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 12: throw deep as part of the offense, not because of Drake,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 12: but because they don't really have anybody.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: That if guys get opened deep, it'll be by scheme,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: not just because somebody just is a flat burner and
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: beat their man.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, yeah, I think there's gonna be you know,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: throw it up to mac hollins.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: That's going to be a play. I'm hoping that Booty
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: can can deliver some of.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: Those it for big things from mccollins.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: I think He's probably going to play a bigger role
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: than all of us anticipated.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: When the shredded shirt. Yeah drives quicker, Yeah drives quicker
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: and use it.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that would annoy me.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: I mean that that was funny.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: But I just thought everything he said yesterday about working
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: with the young guys, talking about trading plays, I'll be
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: the quarterback saying the plays between him and Digs, and
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: I didn't really expect Diggs to show as much leadership
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: and just everything that Digs has done.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: Is that one of the most pleasant surprises of CAMPCI
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: for me fact that from day one he's been out there.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: For me personally. Absolutely, Yeah.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but those two guys, I think I think those
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: two guys have really changed the dynamic of that room,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: at least from what we see.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: We're not in the room.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: I can't tell you exactly, but the way that mac
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: Collins continues to work with.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 24: Those guys, you get like a six foot twelve year
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 24: old who throw his gas and he's throwing curve after
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 24: curve after curve and behind.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 8: Spinning it up there, Paul.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: But between Diggs, who's an NFL superstar, and you know
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: just how it just moves different and has the success
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: to a guy like Mac Collins who's kicked around the
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: league a little bit, who knows what it's like to
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: be on the bubble and try to have to earn
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: a role, and you know, successfully contributed last year to
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: a really good Bills team. Like I just think it's
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: a really good two veterans that they brought in that
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: have helped some of these guys like Javon Baker have.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: A pretty solid couple of days here.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: Or you know, we'll see with Polk in a couple
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: of days as he gets on track if he's able
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: to do the same.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: But I think those guys that both had an impact already.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: Todd's in North Carolina.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: Hey Todd, Hey guys.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 13: Who was kind of a heated discussion earlier. I'm glad
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 13: that the things calm down. A couple of Colors statement.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: Before me, scary time.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 13: My question is not from your time covering the team,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 13: but some of your time following the team. What year
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 13: does this feel the most like? For me? It's nineteen
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 13: ninety seven, Carols.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 7: First year.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 13: We kind of have a defense there, We got our QB,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 13: some weapons, and hopefully Drake takes the next step. I'm
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 13: not going to say he's blent.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: So do you think this team reminds you of a
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: team coming off a Super Bowl appearance?
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 7: Well, yeah, but.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 13: They only went ten and six and they got out
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 13: in the first round. I don't even I don't. I
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 13: think ten wins is an absolute ceiling for this year,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 13: but it's possible, and I kind of like.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: And ten wins in ninety seven was a disappointment they
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 5: got They won eleven the previous year and went to
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 5: the Super Bowl. Letso was in his.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 17: Prime and Carol's first year.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 5: Let's was a two time pro bowler at that time.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 5: Drake May is just trying to sort of get established.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 5: I know, I'm going to see nineteen ninety four.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say, I got I believe in the coach,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: We've got the quarterback.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: I feel good about where the defense is headed. I
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: don't know if they have enough overall.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 5: Ninety four would be you know, I think I understand
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: your your analogy, Mike.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 4: I like I appreciate that, Paul, because that's your year.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 5: I like that. I like the analogy, But you got
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 5: some of the pieces.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: You don't know how it's gonna all come together.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 5: I mean, they were they were a very very good
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: team in ninety six. Everybody knew it. Like it wasn't like,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 5: oh if this goes right and that goes right. Everybody
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 5: knew they were good in ninety six. Everybody knew they
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: were good in ninety seven. Now everybody felt Denver was better,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: and they were and they got lucky in ninety six
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 5: that the Broncos got knocked out. And yeah, you know,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, even though I'm a Drew guide, I can
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 5: admit that they would they wouldn't have gone to Denver
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 5: and won the AFC Championship game. But three bad year,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 5: you know, bad foot, bad caddy.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: But you're starting to put the pieces into place, and
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: how's it all going to come together?
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: That's the big question right now.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 12: I feel like I don't go that far back in
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 12: my memory bank, but like for my time covering the team,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 12: like I still feel like this feels the most like
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 12: twenty one, where they had this big free agency class,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 12: good to you know.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 8: The draft class.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 12: You have some players you're hopeful for, you have this
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 12: young quarterback that you're hopeful for but not proven yet,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 12: and like that's how I still what is going on here?
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 5: Okay, Well, you know we're in a toy store, so
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 5: people just can coming.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 6: Guy.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 5: I was in the middle of a.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: Take you hey, Matisa, what are you wearing?
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: Matist Bowman here? You know him from the Madden simulation broadcast?
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: Why are you here?
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: What the hell are you doing?
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: I had to defend my honor after two years with
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: the new Patriots Unfiltered shirt.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, and there it is, Wow party in the back,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: presented by the.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: Cameras on you. Yeah, and you've got Patriots Unfiltered in
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: the bat there you go. Okay, So these are the
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: new T shirts right in we'll do trivia. So you
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: o T shirts too? Is that right?
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 11: Matis got five hundred of them, so we'll send him
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 11: out to everybody.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right?
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: Can I.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: You can wear more than.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: One's not gonna shrink up on you. Okay, that's good.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's that one over there medium.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: That's an Excel Excel would it be? Probably the medium? Now? No, no, no.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 5: I have cut down the largest though.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: Who could we maybe get a few of those and
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: go out into the crowd tomorrow perhaps and five hundred
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: like p U Pack who just called in, will give
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: them one?
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 8: Five hundred is going to be now you give a
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 8: T shirt.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, great, so now we finally have T shirts.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: So when we do these things we can we can
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: fulfill them.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: Why don't you go you want to strut in front
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: of the camera. You're gonna do like the catwalk, you know?
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, cool, excellent, put one on my desk for large.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: Got you.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 5: Sure you don't want an extra? It's okay for you
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 5: to make fun of me.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: I'm doing it the other sideway, I said, medium, medium, medium, Paul, Yeah.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 5: I heard you.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: What's the matter with you?
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 4: Not a problem you're doing.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: Come on? I feel like you know, you got things
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: in your.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 4: Mind and his money on his mind.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: The car no work, like we got stuff to do.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 5: Get it right?
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well let's tickets. He just walks out.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: Well, had he had made work, I told him to
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: get out, okay, go ahead, okay, all right.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: So we got new T shirts.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: Finally, exciting final if you could wear something good quality,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: it looked good.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's on the show one or two.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: We should Yeah.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's all you.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: By by a total Evan doesn't want to represent.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 8: I don't wear logos.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 5: WHOA just vines exactly.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: He'll do like a million hits for nothing, but he
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: won't wear the logo of a sponsor.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 5: I don't need a logo on my chest.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: He's available, Yeah, he want Patriot Takes.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: David Main writes in I got a question for Evan
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: that can't wait until Catch twenty two. By the way,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: when is Catch twenty two Thursday?
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 8: Two to four Thursday? Too busy?
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: I know that the newsletter that went out last week
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: at the wrong time.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 12: I know we're trying to figure out like a permanent
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 12: time with like you know, football schedule and everything. It's
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 12: trying to lock in Barth's like, you know, bar all
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 12: over the sports of mister popular. So it's hard to.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: You know, I just say real quick, I haven't never
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: seen a human being more like in their element than
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: Alex Barth figuring out who was on the white team
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: and who was on the blue team in the in
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: stadium and then and then he is out like the
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: worst way to running over to people, and then like
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: and then he posted and I was like, this is
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: what he came up with, and it was you couldn't
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: tell you who anybody was, but he was so locked
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: in on it, like he's got to get the team right,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, Alex, you know if you just wait,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: they're going to line up in the starting eleven and
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: then you just have it right there instead of trying to,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: you know, navigate through all the lines.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 5: So I didn't get to witness that you guys were
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 5: you guys were too good to hang out with. Fred
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 5: and I.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: We just said we were up in the red level.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 5: You know you weren't.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: I don't know colors.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 5: And the only time that I see Alex maybe more
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: excited is when he's trying to determine whether or not
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 5: a field goal was.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: Going right, asking other people would you have? Would would
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: you have?
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 5: Like they run over with baited breath to get the line,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 5: and I'm just like, it's like watching it, it was
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 5: kind of hard to tell. It looked like you made it.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 5: I don't know, maybe he didn't.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 8: A kicker competition is the best thing that's.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: I think we should video Barth and Evans sitting down
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: at one of those electric football games and the bickering
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: that would go on between the two of them playing
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: against each other.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: You're going to run that play against that?
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: Fine, right? Good good luck. I think that would be that.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 8: He's going into a six month, Like, what are you doing?
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: Not too long? Maybe just like a ten minute game.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 4: Bar it's like punting on second down. I just wanted
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: to see the punter. I just I couldn't wait. I
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: couldn't wait till fourth down.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 5: I'm like a little piece of felt.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that would be fun, the two of
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: them going at it at Electric Football. Anyway, this is
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: the question that David Mayne has. The other Dave Rabel
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: talked about not throwing to a receiver that's being covered
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: by a corner that's flat footed. What does that mean?
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: Well, he was talking specifically the last play of the
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: scrimmage where Drake threw it to Alex Austin who was
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: just kind of standing there waiting on it rather than
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: bailing out, you know, if he was in dropping out
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: its own in which case, yeah, rifle it to him.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: But if he's just standing flat footed, he's going to
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: see the ball throwing and go right to it and sitting.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, it doesn't mean that his feet are flat.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 4: No, No, he's got great arches arch support.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 5: My feet couldn't descript you very flat feet.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: You can't go in the army.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 5: Well that's what they said.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: But he'd do it if he does.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 5: As the doctor said to my mother when my mother
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: made that comment, well I keep him out of the
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 5: draft anyway, And the doctor said, well, they're not that flat.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 4: You know, because he could have gone to Nam.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 5: This guy, he wouldn't even know what we're talking about.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 5: The draft. He's talking about the draft. One draft I
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 5: saw Will Campbell went.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 16: There.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 12: You know, I'm going to keep defending the wall with
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 12: Will Campbell and my guy.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: You should be good.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 5: I don't really, I don't care, and it's just to
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: be just to be clear, I just want to watch
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: them play. I'm not telling you that he can't justice practice.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 5: I had a guy Friday night text me, one of
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 5: my buddies. Friday night. I was Will Campbell tonight. I
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: was like, it was practice. I don't like leave me alone.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 5: I literally text, leave me alone.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 8: It's practice.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: Dave also says, how can I watch the preseason games
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: on TV? I live locally, but last year they weren't televised,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: So I don't know what locally means to you. But
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: if you live in the Boston or Providence market.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 5: They're absolutely on TV.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: Four w b Z.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: Now if he's in Maine, but it's got to be
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: a yeah, yeah, they have to have some kind of affiliate.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 8: Technically New England, right, yeah, you're part of New England.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's the matter.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: Everybody's looking at me picking up the game.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: So uh check your local listings. As they say, let's
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: go to the phones. We'll start with Mark in Connecticut. Hey, Mark,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: Hey guys, I was doing today, Hi, Mark, I was
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: waiting great.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 16: I was at a practice today and what I'd like
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 16: to see is I'd like to see get some run
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 16: with the with the top group. I like his explosiveness,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 16: I like his foot work. I just like to see
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 16: them give him a chance with the top team.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 8: I'm with you, Mark, We're still holding down.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 12: We still have property on Chisholm Island, like okay, he's
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 12: a little little shack there, and we have his little
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 12: little house on larryon Larison Island.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 5: More has he I've seen more from Larison has here
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 5: reps No, okay, so we're not going to see more.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: I think that thank you for being honest.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 12: Looks great against there. I think he's I think he's
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 12: got great like his he's got all of the makings
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 12: of a of a McDaniel slot. He's got the quickness,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 12: he's got the jitterbug, he's got the first level separation, like, he's.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 8: Got all of those tools.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 12: But like a lot of these guys that played that
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 12: role over the years, even here, like it might take
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 12: a few years for it to click. If it's going
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 12: to click, Like, I don't think he's one of those
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 12: guys that's going to contribute as a rookie. It might
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 12: be more like an Edelman Welker type of track where
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 12: he's on the practice squad. He's a fringe roster player.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 12: Troy Right, it takes the year or two, but then
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 12: all of a sudden, the game rounds out and he
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 12: gets a little bit bigger and a little bit faster
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 12: and boom.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: Ye Anthony Boston, what's up, Anthony?
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 8: The drop in the insane in practice? That's not good.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 25: Anthony warn that he got injured in the scrimage. But
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 25: I don't think he's seen any fields this game up.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 25: And it's really weird considering johsh for Daniels coming in,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 25: he had a really productive season with them. I just
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 25: wanted to know about that.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 5: He's he's he's.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: Had some reps. Reps Ken Kendrick not a lot, a lot, okay,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: when he's called.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 5: But I agree with Anthony, I don't. I've been a
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 5: little surprised that he hasn't gotten really many front line reps.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 5: He's been with the two.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 25: Throughout the trade block with Ugger and Strange, and I
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 25: think he could be gone.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 12: So yeah, I think that he continues to when he
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 12: does practice. He hasn't been practicing the line what is
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 12: the package with trading? He's saying, Dugger and Strange and
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 12: Born you could get something for the hot names right
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 12: now on the trade block. But with Kendrick Bourne, every
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 12: time that he has practiced, it just feels like he's
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 12: with a group that he's better than, Like, you know,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 12: like he's with like the Chisholms and the h you know,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 12: Baker Polk, John Giles, Like he's with that group, and
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 12: you just keep looking over on that side of the
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 12: field of the practice fields with Josh Dobbs, and like
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 12: Kenrickbourn's over there.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: No, I agree with that he hasn't been running with
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: the ones, but like when he does get thrown his way,
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: he looks pretty good.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: Saw a couple of those early in camp. I mean,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: I Phil lately he's tapered off. I haven't seen many
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: of those lately.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 5: But I can't decide. If they just know what he is,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 5: then they have a thought in mind for him, yep.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 5: Or he's just going, he's on his way out, he's out. Yeah,
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 5: it's two diametrically opposite things. But I don't he has
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 5: not gotten any significant reps. And I agree with Evan.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 5: When he's playing, he's playing with guys that he should
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 5: be dominating.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 12: He just looks out of place, Like I'm Mike Kenner
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 12: bourn as an NFL receiver. I'm not sure these guys
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 12: he's playing with their NFL players.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 5: And more importantly, going against yeah, right right, Like it's secondary,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 5: you know, guys that are not going to end up
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 5: being in the league. He should be getting open against those.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: Guys eight three, nine with a dash of thirteen and
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: we'll see about eighty.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 4: And that's to me, that's what you're probably going in
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 4: the season.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: And with over there, he's like Bill Belichick.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 8: Phill is the numbers guy.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: Question for Evan and Paul, how special do you guys
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: feel being Onduce's training camp wrap up? There you go.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: You've gone from keeping track of Belichick's hoodies to having
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: your own show. You've passed up Paul and he's been
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: there for decades. But seriously, facts, I'll be yes the
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  Speaker 4: In the style, in style, that's fun. What's you guys
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 4: gonna get down there? Hairful fun.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 12: I'm looking forward to the food the most I've heard
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 12: the restaurants down there apparently top notch.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: Josh in Atlanta. Everyone take a page out of Evans's
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: book and allow the young lineman to marinate for a
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: few months before making any sweeping proclamations.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 5: That's that's Fred's book, and that's Paul's book.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: I watched Barb give some valuable Will Campbell inside a
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: ninety eight point five yesterday just for the fear mongering
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: Felger to respond. So the kid isn't ready to be
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: in an NFL tackle. It's the first week of August
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: and we're talking about a twenty one year old first
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: round pick that was the consensus best tackle in the draft.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: Felger and his crony should be arrested for the damage
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: they've done to Boston Sports media.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 8: Okay, we can.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 5: That's Fred's take. If you're going to go through the
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 5: bumps and bruises, you might as well get the bumps
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 5: and bruises over as quickly as you can. Now, I
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 5: let them play and go through, you know, suffer through
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 5: the peaks and valleys. That's I think. Friend's right.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 8: I just like.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 12: I guess that is the piece of it to me
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 12: that as has been grinding my gears is like we're
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 12: not allowing And I get it, it's not the media's
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 12: job to allow grace, but like we're not like looking
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 12: at it that way, you know what I'm saying, Like
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 12: he was not going to look like Joe Thomas in
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 12: his first training camp, like he wasn't going to look
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 12: like a Hall of Fame left tackle ten practices into
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 12: his NFL career. I'm sure none of them did.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: Joe Thomas probably didn't.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 12: Right, So, like, I get that, it's not our job.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 12: Our job is to tell you what's happening and to
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 12: react to what's happening right now.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 8: I get that, But.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 12: From a bigger picture sense, if we just take a
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 12: step back and stake a step out of the training
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 12: camp reaction roller coaster and just look at it and say,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 12: you know, he has shown positives as well that make
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 12: me think that he can be an NFL left tackle,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 12: and I'm willing to ride it out with some of
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 12: these other things instead of saying, you know, he's gotten
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 12: beat by it in past protection a couple of times
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 12: by Chase On and Kean White, so he can't play.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 12: And I'm not saying everybody's saying that. I'm just that's
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 12: sort of where I'm at with it.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 5: From day one.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: Who do you who's this goes back poll? Because I don't, honestly,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to this. Who's looked better?
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: Matt Light or Will Campbell Matt Light you think so
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: I could, I wouldn't know.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't know, and I and you know that I
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 5: don't think Matt Light was you know, great shakes. I
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 5: think he was a good left tackle, not great. But
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 5: I'm talking about from he step went in immediately and
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 5: showed that he was better than I mean again, it's
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 5: the same kind of deal. Will Campbell was showing that
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 5: he's better than the guys that were here. The Grant Williams,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: the Greg Robinson, Randalls, those are the guys that were here.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 5: Matt Light was better than them from day one, right,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 5: just like Will Campbell's better than Badarian Lowe from day one.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 5: I don't know what that means, yes, right? You know,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 5: like one of the comments the email just used, he
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 5: was the consensus best tackle in the draft. That's a fact.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: Does that mean he's good or is he the best
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 5: tackle and a bad tackle draft? I don't know. They
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 5: haven't played yet. Do you understand what I'm saying? Like,
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 5: telling me that a guy is the best tackle in
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 5: a draft means that he's better than potentially guys that stink,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 5: or he's better than three guys that are also going
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 5: to go to the Hall of Fame with Will Campbell. Right,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 5: those can mean drastically different things. We don't know. They
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 5: haven't played. The kid in Kansas City evidently has played
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 5: very well Josh Simmons, Right, I don't know if that
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 5: means anything. He hasn't played either. Maybe he stinks, but
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 5: we know that the left tackle that he's replacing kind
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 5: of stunk. He was kind of mid as they.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 8: Say, was Joe tun playing tackle out of a pinch,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 8: But like.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 5: Right, no, no, no, I'm talking about the kid that
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 5: Joe had to replace because they bt Mattia and more
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 5: like all those injuries.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 12: I just I think that there was this expectation because
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 12: he was the fourth overall pick, that he was going
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 12: to come out of the gate and he was going
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 12: to be a stud from day one. And I think
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 12: he has had moments of really dominant run blocking, honestly.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 12: But the pass protection we knew coming into this with
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 12: all the We talked about this guy for six months,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 12: and we talked about the limitations and pass protection, the length,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 12: and the issues that he had at the college level
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 12: with the inside moves and like all we talked about
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 12: all of this, and then he gets into his rookie
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 12: mini training camp and he has some wartz and everybody
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 12: is like, you know, freaking out about it.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 5: And it's like, that's a point that Mike Giardi was
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 5: making again on the hill. We have a lot of
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 5: good stuff going on the hill.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 12: He was exactly what I expected Will Campbell to look like.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 12: He's exactly met expectations.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 5: But Mike actually used the same phrasing that you just
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 5: did yesterday when we were talking about it was like,
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 5: this is like you talk to a lot of these
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 5: people in the draft, and these are exactly the things
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 5: that they talked about with Wilke Amble. These are the
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 5: things that he struggled with and that there wasn't always
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 5: the requisite talent that made it made him pay for it.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 5: But that inside move is not like something that just
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 5: suddenly popped up. It's something that he had trouble with
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 5: at times. It didn't always cost him, but at times
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 5: he struggled with that.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 4: What was this like with Isaiah Win this first training camp?
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 5: This, Well, Will Campbell's better than Isaiah Win.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 4: Because that was bad. I don't remember anything.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 5: It wasn't that he was bad, but I don't remember
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 5: him looking like he belonged to that hurt. Will Campbell
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 5: to me looks like I don't watch Will Campbell and say,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 5: my god, you can't get by with him playing Isaiah Win.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 5: You ask Fred I had concerned about him and injuries.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 5: He was too small well Detour's achilles. In the preseason.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 5: In the practice field, he was not anything great.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: James Pettig were the most interesting Patriots fan of the world.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: My words. I know running Drake is dangerous, but I
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: wonder does it make it safer in the long term
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: if he gets the runs in Games one and two,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: just to get the film up and put oppositions on
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: the back foot, could the short term risk help with
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: long term line security. Blitz at your own risk would
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: not I think having.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 5: Wouldn't it the other way be just as valuable?
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: Well, But I think having in the heads of defense
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: that this guy can take off at any time is
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: a good thing.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 5: That's his point. But I think you could also say,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 5: I keep it under the vest right and then all
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 5: of a sudden you break it out when you need
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 5: it and you catch him off guard. But I think
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 5: you can make an argument both sides.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 12: I think he's showed enough as a rookie that people
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 12: know he's mobile.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 5: They're absolutely going to have to be prepared for that.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's my feeling right now.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: If I was going against him, keep him in the pocket,
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: don't let him scort out, make him read the field,
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: and make them deliver tight throws consistently, and until he
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: breaks out of that and shows he can.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 5: You know, like, if Jayden Daniels doesn't run but four
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 5: or five times over the first five weeks of the season,
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 5: do you think defensive coordinators.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 4: He's not running anymore.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 5: He's already established that he can run. And I think
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 5: Drake May has two.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 12: Certainly as a scrambler, like they didn't run him by
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 12: design a Ton last year, but as a scrambler absolutely.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: To the defense of the emailer, he hasn't run in
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: Josh McDaniel's offense yet. So let's see what McDaniels has
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: in store for him.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm optimistic about that because McDaniels had a great
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 12: package for Cam Newton.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 4: Was in Miami right right that ft.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 12: I mean, the fact that we had never really seen
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 12: him do that and then he kind of just like
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 12: pulled like an option package out of his rear end
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 12: was like pretty impressive in twenty twenty, so I assume
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 12: it will be some similar things, like they're not going
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 12: to run Drake right up the gut like they were
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 12: doing with Cam Newton, but it was similar mechanics to it.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: Bryant in Denver has a big gripe with us at
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: the end of the show last week with Claire all
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, according to Paul, Bill Belichick is not
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: responsible for anything but five percent of the success of
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: the Patriots dynasty. Brady is responsible for ninety five percent. Then,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: I couldn't believe that Evan showed his absolute ignorance by
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: bashing Tony Dungee and stating that he was one of
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: the worst NFL coaches. For the record, didn't say that
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: Don shul and Dan Marino were together for seventeen years
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: and never won a Super Bowl. Dan Marino was arguably
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: one of the best quarterbacks in history, and Shula is
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: arguably the best coach in history. Oh, by the way,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: Marino had great players around him and didn't win.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 8: I don't understand what that.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: Oh by the way, Bill replaced Bledsoe with Brady, much
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: to the chagrin of fans like Paul, but only five
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: percent and for the record, John Gruden took Dungee's established
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: team and coasted to a Super Bowl over his old
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: team Oakland, which he knew implicitly. I get it. Paul's
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: new stick is to be counter and controversial because Evan
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: and Duce are more conciliatory and he's trying to spice
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: up the show. But she's Paul, get back to Paul
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: and leave the don Imus stephen A. Smith crap alone.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 8: It's not your style, yeah, Paul, So can I attack
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 8: some of this?
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: Sure? Absolutely?
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 8: Why rest of.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 5: All, don't be silly and take the fun back and
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 5: forth that I had with Claire ninety five to five
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 5: as being serious. So I'll just say I was being sarcastic.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 5: But you're trying to tell me that suggesting that Brady
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 5: had more to do with the success than Belichick is
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 5: like a stephen A. Smith controversial hot take that that's
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 5: what I'm trying to do. I think that Brady was
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 5: more vital to the success than Belichick was. I think
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 5: time has sort of proven that. I think it's kind
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 5: of a fact.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 5: Like I don't think that that's a hot take at all.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 5: I don't. I'm not trying to be controversial. I'm not
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 5: trying to be counter with Mike and Evan. Like one
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 5: guy left won a title without the coach. The coach
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 5: got to continue to coach without Brady In won four games.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 5: I don't really think that that's all overly controversial. That's
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 5: what happened.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: YEP.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 5: I was long on the I thought it was a
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 5: little bit more Belichick than Brady Camp than I was
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 5: proven wrong. Then I had a change. What are you
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 5: going to do? And by the way, John John Schuler,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 5: by the way, one of the more overrated coaches in
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 5: all of sport, not just the NFL.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: Wow, there you go, and I like it too.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 5: And a terrible defense, by the way, Miami had, Like
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 5: I know, they had great receivers and Marino threw the
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 5: ball over the place. Terrible defenses they had. When did
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 5: they have the seventies?
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Okay, Well I was going to say something.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: I forgot what it was.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 5: I must have been vital.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Jason and Foxborough on the hotline. What's up, Jason,
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: Jason and Chiva.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 7: I happen to be in Foxboro.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 13: Oh nice, brought the kid down, thought.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 5: Chivas name, So you're all the way from Japan. He's
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 5: in Foxborough.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 7: No, no, no, I live in uh I live in New Hampshire.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: Oh now, I see.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 7: So we just kids, finally old enough. I kind of
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 7: appreciate practice. Not a ton a lot of running around,
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 7: a lot of bothering people, but I got a lot
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 7: out of it. Got a little way from deuce, you know.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's me, a little one.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 7: Told you didn't use my picture in the contest.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 17: I sent that one in.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 7: Am I that ugly?
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 4: That's anice question?
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 5: They we'll do it in round two.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 7: All right, all right, all right.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: Well you haven't called it a long time, so I
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: don't know if people, you know, our more recent viewers'll
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: know who you are. But now that you've called in
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: the next round, we'll make sure you better send that
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: in again, because I don't know if she got all
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: of them.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 7: It was in my my wife's mother's front yard in
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 7: in Japan, in conadal We can go back every year, okay,
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 7: But all right, you got that going for it to
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 7: me more of.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 16: You, yep.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, So everyone listen to Jason's voice, picture what he
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: looks like, and he'll be in the next round. Thanks
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: for the call, Jason, appreciate it, Jason and Chiba just
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: to live in Japan. He actually taught English in Japan.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 5: Left hand stop that correct?
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: Did I get that right?
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 5: Paul Japan?
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but didn't he teach English the kids?
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 5: It sounds sounds vaguely you know me, sounds vaguely familiar.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: He was on the phone.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 4: But I don't think I've heard of.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: It's nicely Wait today we get that when we walked
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: through the crowd and due we did.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know who it is. Yeah, well, like.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 4: I signed Clean Up Podcast.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 12: You know, like nobody wants to talk to mege.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 4: They think you're going to drop. Well, if you can
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 4: tell me what cover three is.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: But I signed Dennis the International Fan of the Year
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: last year, I signed his International Fan of the your
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: jersey pond. He wants to get you to sign it too,
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 3: So maybe tomorrow you can head over there with a
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  Speaker 3: sharpie and pp on a jersey so we can frame it,
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  Speaker 3: which is his plan.
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  Speaker 8: So wants that is that your signature?
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  Speaker 26: No?
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  Speaker 5: I usually just write the name.
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  Speaker 2: Well, think about Paul Paul as when he does go
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  Speaker 2: out to the ninety it's the public that we have
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  Speaker 2: security with him.
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  Speaker 4: This guy, you got to hear things, Michael. They back
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  Speaker 4: from I'm just coming bearing a Diepetsy, like, all right,
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  Speaker 4: come on over.
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  Speaker 26: I'm bearing a Yes you may, you may approach mister Yes,
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  Speaker 26: what's just it?
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  Speaker 4: My child father Fred?
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  Speaker 2: That gives me an idea inspiration for a sitcom of
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: a podcast like us for a sports team, and like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if you take it to the absurd, like,
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: how would it be right?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 14: Right?
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  Speaker 4: Groupie? Yeah, going on the road, it's crazy, groupie.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm talking about.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 8: Don't get me.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 5: I don't know your story.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 8: There's no story.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 4: We'll talk offline. I just can't hear this one.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 8: No Campbell, unbelievable.
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  Speaker 12: You guys, there's other people that are bad influences on
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 12: the road and it's not me.
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  Speaker 5: Alright, start in trouble slinging the mud.
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  Speaker 2: Well, listen tomorrow live broadcast high above the practice fields
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  Speaker 2: here at your Lett Stadium for the joint practice against
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  Speaker 2: the Commanders. Be there, tune in. We'll tell you everything
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  Speaker 2: we see and you'll see some stuff too, as much
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: as we can show you. Uh So, that'll be fun
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  Speaker 2: tomorrow and then what do we we have a wrap
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  Speaker 2: up show afterwards?
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  Speaker 4: Wrap up back on you Thursday. Some wrap up thoughts
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  Speaker 4: on game Friday.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, Yeprady Statue. It's a big week. Brady Statue six
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  Speaker 2: o'clock on Friday, six pm Eastern time.
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  Speaker 5: And we have to wait for that to end to
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  Speaker 5: start the pregame show.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: Sorry, bear with us.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 5: We're not going to have a concrete starting time for
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  Speaker 5: the pregame show on Friday.
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  Speaker 12: Games will be at the Brady Statue unveiling. I'm looking
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 12: forward to it. It's gonna be fun.
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  Speaker 8: Takes some picks.
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  Speaker 2: I'll wait until everyone lives and I'll go out and
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  Speaker 2: look at it. I don't need to be there with
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 2: the crowd.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 4: You need a quiet moment with it.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, talk to the statue.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Tom, they don't understand greatness like us.
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  Speaker 2: Tom.
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  Speaker 4: Don't kiss the statue. Fred, you have to.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. That's gonna be it for this edition
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