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The Kenny Report | 22 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Laura from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me Tonight, the Albanezi Labor government confirms
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  Speaker 2: its energy gamble of the century. It scoffs at nuclear
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  Speaker 2: and bets the country on an unprecedented renewables plus storage model.
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  Speaker 1: What could go wrong?
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  Speaker 2: Aim Novaperis joins me to talk about why she quitters
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  Speaker 2: co chair of the Australian Republican Movement over Craig Foster's
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  Speaker 2: anti Israel rants. I'll cross to Israel too and catch
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  Speaker 2: up with Liberal Senator and former Ambassador to Israel Dave
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  Speaker 2: Shama to assess the International Criminal Court fallout.
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  Speaker 1: The Prime Minister goes.
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  Speaker 2: A wold today in a week when he's supposed to
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  Speaker 2: be selling the budget. I'll show you a new theme
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  Speaker 2: song for the Prime Minister. Pauline Hanson joins me to
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  Speaker 2: the Salvos and the Wednesday Wrangle.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 2: Confirmation today that labor is betting the future of this
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  Speaker 2: country on unreliable renewable energy. This means that the alban
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  Speaker 2: Easy Labor government is conducting the highest risk technological experiment
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  Speaker 2: in the world, trying to transition a modern energy dependent
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  Speaker 2: economy from fossil fuels to an untried, unprecedented renewables plus
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  Speaker 2: storage model. They have no Plan B, and they scoff
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  Speaker 2: at nuclear energy as the zero emissions option that is
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  Speaker 2: powerful and reliable.
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  Speaker 3: It makes absolutely no sense for Australia to go down
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  Speaker 3: the nuclear road when there are options available to us
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  Speaker 3: which cost less and which can contribute to the grid sooner.
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  Speaker 2: Charmers was gleefully reacting to the latest CSIRO Gen Cost
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  Speaker 2: Report that's supposed to analyze the cost of various energy options,
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  Speaker 2: and it's declared that large scale nuclear is too expensive
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  Speaker 2: and would push our power price is up.
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  Speaker 1: Here's some of the ABC's coverage.
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  Speaker 4: It has found, according to this CSIRO that large scale
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  Speaker 4: nuclear is cheaper than small modulate reactors, which are as
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  Speaker 4: the name suggests, smaller in size but are yet to
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  Speaker 4: be commercially proven. But large scale nuclear is still, according
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  Speaker 4: to the CSIRO, about one and a half to two
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  Speaker 4: times the cost of renewables, even when you factor in
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  Speaker 4: costs like transmission lines and storage that are required to
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  Speaker 4: firm up wind and solar farms.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the gen Cost report says, hey, how much
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  Speaker 2: firming support and how much battery storage they are pertinent questions,
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  Speaker 2: aren't they and how reliable will it be if the
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  Speaker 2: weather doesn't behave These imponderables are why no country has
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  Speaker 2: been able.
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  Speaker 1: To do this before.
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  Speaker 2: If it were this easy, everyone would be doing it.
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  Speaker 2: But this risky experiment is one that the government and
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  Speaker 2: the CSIRO are very small about.
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  Speaker 5: It's important to note that when we talk about the
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  Speaker 5: cost of solar PV and when we're talking about the
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  Speaker 5: cost to make it reliable. So it's not just putting
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  Speaker 5: up a wind turbine and putting up a solar farm.
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  Speaker 5: You have to put up all the transmission and the
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  Speaker 5: storage and the peaking plant and other things that you
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  Speaker 5: need to make it reliable. So when we talk about
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  Speaker 5: it cost of renewables, we're talking about the cost of
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  Speaker 5: reliable renewables.
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  Speaker 1: Reliable renewables.
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  Speaker 2: He actually said that there is no such thing. That's
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  Speaker 2: the whole point. Renewables are not reliable. They are intermittent,
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  Speaker 2: and that's why they cost us a bomb, because you
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  Speaker 2: need the renewables and a second system to replace them
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  Speaker 2: when they're not there yet. The CSIRO just invents a
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  Speaker 2: new energy source, reliable renewables.
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  Speaker 1: So much for following the side.
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  Speaker 2: He The point is that Australia has already closed down
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  Speaker 2: many coal fired power stations as you know, and gas generators,
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  Speaker 2: as governments have spent hundreds of billions of dollars on
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  Speaker 2: renewable energy. And despite Labor constantly telling us that renewables
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  Speaker 2: are the cheapest form of energy, we've seen prices double.
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  Speaker 2: Yet still they double down with our money on this
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  Speaker 2: renewables zelotry. And yesterday another warning came from the market
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  Speaker 2: operator telling us that with so much unreliable power and
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  Speaker 2: too little dispatchable power, we face power shortages over the summer.
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  Speaker 2: Yet now the CSIRO and Labor and all the green Zealots,
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  Speaker 2: the same ones who have given us this self made
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  Speaker 2: energy crisis, they tell us that nuclear is too expensive.
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  Speaker 2: The CSIRO report says we could build a thousand megawatt
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  Speaker 2: nuclear plant for eight and a half billion dollars, and
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  Speaker 2: we're told this is too expensive. This is a big call,
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  Speaker 2: because a nuclear plant near a decommissioned coal plant, for instance,
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't require any new transmission costs, and it would have
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  Speaker 2: a working life of at least seventy years, possibly one
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  Speaker 2: hundred by comparison, To guarantee one thousand megawatts of renewable power,
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  Speaker 2: you need to overbuild it with wind turbines or solar
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  Speaker 2: panels to produce three times that amount, spread across vast
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  Speaker 2: areas linked by transmission lines, and you'd need to replace
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  Speaker 2: the panels and turbines every fifteen to twenty years, and
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  Speaker 2: you'd need gas peaking capacity capable of generating just as
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  Speaker 2: much power, or enough batteries to do the same for days.
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  Speaker 2: Otherwise you can't seriously claim your renewables are up to
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  Speaker 2: the task, And that kind of overbuild is just not
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  Speaker 2: doable practically or economically. So the CSIRO they just juggle
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  Speaker 2: around with some of their numbers and they chuck in
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  Speaker 2: a bit of transmission here and a bit of firming there,
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  Speaker 2: and some batteries there, and they pretend they've invented a
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  Speaker 2: new form of energy, reliable renewables.
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  Speaker 5: So when we make these comparisons to NUCA, we're talking
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  Speaker 5: about one reliable option versus another reliable option. And what
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  Speaker 5: we conclude is that renewables remain the most cost effective
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  Speaker 5: reli ouption.
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  Speaker 2: Is this science or is this advocacy? Is this science
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  Speaker 2: or is this ideology? Remember we've spent already in this
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  Speaker 2: country about two hundred billion dollars on the renewable transition
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  Speaker 2: so far, and it's only made everything worse. Costs have
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  Speaker 2: gone up and reliability has gone way down. And they
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  Speaker 2: promised to spend another five to six or seven hundred
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  Speaker 2: billion dollars on this same experiment, and they reckon eight
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  Speaker 2: and a half billion dollars for a nuclear plant. One
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  Speaker 2: hundredth of what they're spending is too much. The Coalition
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  Speaker 2: is not showing away from the nuclear option.
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  Speaker 1: It is a safe technology.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to provide cheaper electricity, it's going to provide
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  Speaker 2: greener electricity, and it's going to make sure that we
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  Speaker 2: don't get the blackouts and brownouts.
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  Speaker 6: That the.
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  Speaker 2: Energy regulator is telling us about will happen under Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Albanezi's renewables only policy. Yeah, if we could build a
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  Speaker 2: decent nuclear plant for less than ten billion dollars, I'd
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  Speaker 2: say get to work straight away on half a dozen
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  Speaker 2: of them, and we'd save ourselves of fortune in the
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  Speaker 2: long term, we'd secure our energy supplies for a generation,
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  Speaker 2: and we'd boost the technological profile of our nation and
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  Speaker 2: our economy. Instead, our renewable folly continues. For instance, as
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  Speaker 2: we updated you last night, we're spending upwards of twenty
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  Speaker 2: billion dollars on the snowy two point zero pumped hydro
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  Speaker 2: project that won't add any generating capacity. It'll just store
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  Speaker 2: renewable energy if it is ever completed and if it
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  Speaker 2: ever works.
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  Speaker 1: They're having a lend of us this lot.
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  Speaker 2: Aren't they gambling with our future through Pine and the
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  Speaker 2: sky schemes like snowy two point zero and so called
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  Speaker 2: green hydrogen at endless wind farms and solar factories while
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  Speaker 2: they scoff.
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  Speaker 1: At the proven technology of nuclear.
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  Speaker 2: I showed you yesterday how Anthony Albaneze he constantly shirks
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  Speaker 2: the issue. He's a Prime Minister who duck shoves at
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  Speaker 2: every turn, either blaming someone else or shirking responsibility himself.
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  Speaker 2: Well today, after having a shock at absolute chakra of
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  Speaker 2: a day yesterday, he hasn't been seen. No media events
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  Speaker 2: for the Prime Minister today, the week after the budget.
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  Speaker 2: He's supposedly on a national campaign to sell the budget,
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  Speaker 2: and he's disappeared, presumably licking his wounds after yesterday's shameful performance.
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  Speaker 2: That's when he refused to even offer a view on
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  Speaker 2: behalf of his government, on behalf of his nation. He
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  Speaker 2: refused to even offer a view about the Internetational Criminal
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  Speaker 2: Court's attempt to arrest the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
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  Speaker 2: and his defense minister over alleged war crime allegations.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I don't comment on court processes in Australia, let
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  Speaker 7: alone court processes globally, of which Australia is not a party.
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  Speaker 2: Just terrible, just spineless, just shameful. There was no proper
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  Speaker 2: reason not to comment. Of course, the court excuse was
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  Speaker 2: a ruse. ALBERNIZI just didn't know what to say, which
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  Speaker 2: begs the question, As I said yesterday, what's the point
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  Speaker 2: of this bloke as Prime minister if he's got nothing
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  Speaker 2: to say on the key issues?
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  Speaker 1: Has it turned out? Yesterday?
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  Speaker 2: The very next issue put to Alberonizi at that press
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  Speaker 2: conference was about an overseas court case and he had
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  Speaker 2: no trouble going into bat for Julianasange.
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  Speaker 7: Our position has been very clear, the same position I
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  Speaker 7: had is as opposition leader I've had as Prime minister,
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  Speaker 7: which is enough is enough. There's nothing to be served
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  Speaker 7: by the ongoing in case of mister Asanche.
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  Speaker 1: I thought he couldn't comment on overseas court cases. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: give us a break.
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  Speaker 2: That's the hypocrisy exposed, that's the feeble excuse making exposed.
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  Speaker 2: But when are we ever going to see this book
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  Speaker 2: take responsibility for anything.
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  Speaker 7: I've been traveling in the car so I haven't been
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  Speaker 7: advised about that. Of course, the state boil schemes are
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  Speaker 7: run by the States.
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  Speaker 8: You know.
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  Speaker 2: As we play these clips of elbow, constantly ducking for cover,
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  Speaker 2: constantly avoiding responsibility, it reminded me of an old song
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  Speaker 2: i'd seen used at a political event way back in
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  Speaker 2: the early nineteen nineties.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's him, isn't it. That's elbow to a t.
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  Speaker 1: He's not responsible. This has to be the new theme
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  Speaker 1: song for Anthony Albanezi.
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  Speaker 7: This is not my proposal, this is the Australian People's proposal.
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  Speaker 7: Given the matter is under investigation before police in the courts,
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  Speaker 7: it's inappropriate to comment further.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I love it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this bloke has had so many chances to
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  Speaker 2: take responsibility on so many issues, but every time, this
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  Speaker 2: is what we get.
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  Speaker 7: They make their decisions independent, well, they make the decisions independent.
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  Speaker 7: There is a Bank Australia and independent body and the
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  Speaker 7: government doesn't recked them.
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  Speaker 2: And play the grab again. Catchy, isn't it. Maybe it'll
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  Speaker 2: be hit all over again for Helen Shapiro.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, unless the Prime Minister fronts.
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  Speaker 2: Up, tackles some issues and actually has something to say,
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  Speaker 2: most of us will still keep wondering what's.
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  Speaker 1: The point of albow?
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  Speaker 2: Let me bring in the One Nation Leader, Pauline Hanson,
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  Speaker 2: she joins us live from Queensland. Good to talk to
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  Speaker 2: you again, Pauline. Now you've seen a lot of prime
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  Speaker 2: ministers come and go. Have you ever seen one duck
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  Speaker 2: issues as much as this bloke?
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  Speaker 10: No one in the wide world in my twenty seven
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  Speaker 10: years since I was first elected Parliament, here's the worst.
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  Speaker 10: Here's pathetic, incompetent, hopeless, and he's just.
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  Speaker 9: I've got no more words for it.
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  Speaker 10: You know, I didn't particularly like Bill Shorton, but I
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  Speaker 10: tell you what, I would swap Bill Shorten for him
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  Speaker 10: in a heartbeat. And apart from that, twenty odd years
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  Speaker 10: prior to that, when I first started voting, I've never
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  Speaker 10: known a Prime minister to be as hopeless as what
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  Speaker 10: this one is. And he's all and he's put his
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  Speaker 10: hopeless ministers around him. I have be thrown out on
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  Speaker 10: his ear, Chris. It's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: It is quite incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Now there's global is at the moment when we talk
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  Speaker 2: about the Middle East war, every sensible nation has got
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  Speaker 2: a role to play in this. Everybody has to have
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  Speaker 2: a view on what the International Criminal Court has done.
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  Speaker 2: We know what Joe Biden has done. He's been very strong.
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  Speaker 2: Many other countries have as well. Anthony Albertezi wouldn't say
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  Speaker 2: anything about it yesterday. We haven't heard from the Foreign Minister.
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  Speaker 2: We've had Chris Bowen for crying out loud and the
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  Speaker 2: Treasurer Jim Chalmers sort of dabble around the edges. We
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  Speaker 2: don't know what Australia's foreign policy position is on this
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  Speaker 2: crucial issue at this moment.
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  Speaker 10: He won't want to say that anyway, because I'll tell
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  Speaker 10: you what. Twenty nine seats in this country, in federal
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  Speaker 10: seats underpinds the Muslim vote. That's why it's not going
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  Speaker 10: to come out and say anything about it. And a
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  Speaker 10: couple of these ministers who are actually relying on the
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  Speaker 10: Muslim vote. This is the problem with it. It's become political.
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  Speaker 10: It's about who's going to win the next election.
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  Speaker 1: So he knows it's wrong, but he knows it's wrong.
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  Speaker 1: He knows it's wrong.
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  Speaker 2: He should, he knows he should criticize the ICC, but
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't want to do that because it could cost
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  Speaker 2: him votes in Muslim communities.
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  Speaker 10: That's my opinion.
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  Speaker 11: Yes it is.
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  Speaker 10: And Dutton was right and what he's saying here that
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  Speaker 10: we need to look at our position this. You know
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  Speaker 10: we're a state party to the Rome Statute and that
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  Speaker 10: underpinds the ICC. Chris, I've said this all wrong. We
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  Speaker 10: need to look at our involvement with the UN, with
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  Speaker 10: actually the WHO, with all these organizations, the Convention on
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  Speaker 10: the Refugees, this with the ICC and other organizations. We're
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  Speaker 10: a big enough country now that our domestic laws here
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  Speaker 10: should underpin what we stand for and not having these
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  Speaker 10: other international organizations telling us what we should be doing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is pathetic. I fear that you're right about
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  Speaker 2: the electoral sensibilities here.
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  Speaker 1: It is a worry.
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  Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts to on Anthony Albanezi
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  Speaker 2: saying that he's not rushing off to the polls. He
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  Speaker 2: doesn't want to go to an election until he solved
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  Speaker 2: the cost of living crisis.
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  Speaker 1: If we wait for that, he might be Prime Minister
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  Speaker 1: for a decade.
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  Speaker 10: Chris, that's not Look how I read this is we've
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  Speaker 10: got a queen standin state election in October, which I
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  Speaker 10: believe that labor will be thrown out. He either goes
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  Speaker 10: the end of August September before the queens stand and
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  Speaker 10: state elections, otherwise he won't go till about April May
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  Speaker 10: next year, after the Western Strands state elections, because they're
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  Speaker 10: going to lose seats over there as well. I think
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  Speaker 10: Albanezy had been prime minister means more to him than
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  Speaker 10: anything else, So why he's made the statement. He's not
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  Speaker 10: rushing into it to actually come go to an early election.
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  Speaker 10: So here is on the nose. The fact is that
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  Speaker 10: he will see out his time as Prime Minister as
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  Speaker 10: long as he possibly can. I can't see him going
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  Speaker 10: to an early election. And as far as costs a living.
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  Speaker 10: If you listen to what the solve said, fifteen hundred
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  Speaker 10: of the financial client said that one in five are
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  Speaker 10: actually living with candle or torches, one in ten are
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  Speaker 10: actually going to use bathrooms or other facilities. They're actually
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  Speaker 10: going without food to feed the kids, they are in
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  Speaker 10: fear of losing their jobs, are roof over the head.
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  Speaker 10: It is absolutely deplorable the state that our country is
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  Speaker 10: in at the moment, and I blame this government. People
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  Speaker 10: have to understand that the debt we're in this year
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  Speaker 10: is about eight hundred and ninety five billion dollars. We
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  Speaker 10: paid nineteen billion in interest alone, So the surplus means
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  Speaker 10: absolutely nothing because over here the borrowing more money, we're
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  Speaker 10: paying more interests and we can't supply the services to
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  Speaker 10: the people who dearly need them.
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  Speaker 1: Need tell hell, have it worry. Thanks for joining us, Pauline.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate it, Pauling hands in this The Salvos will
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  Speaker 2: be catching up with the Salvos later in the program
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  Speaker 2: talking about the Red Shield appeal and as Pauline said,
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  Speaker 2: they are seeing a lot of pain right at the
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  Speaker 2: pointy end of this cost of living crisis. Now there's
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  Speaker 2: been a split in the Australian Republican Movement over of
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  Speaker 2: all things, the war in the Middle East, Israel's war
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  Speaker 2: with Hummas. Olympian and former Labor senator Nova Peris has
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  Speaker 2: quit as CoA chair, saying her relationship with former Soccaro
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  Speaker 2: and fellow co chair Craig Foster is no longer workable
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  Speaker 2: over his social media posts about Israel. Accusing that country
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  Speaker 2: of the gravest crimes against humanity, of apartheid and genocide.
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  Speaker 1: Nova Peris joins me now live from Darwin. Great to
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  Speaker 1: talk to you. Nova.
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  Speaker 2: You've been very strong and passionate in your defense of
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  Speaker 2: Israel and it's right to defend itself. It seems extraordinary
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  Speaker 2: that this issue could play its way into the Australian
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  Speaker 2: Republican movement.
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  Speaker 11: Well, I guess the ARM is just one of many,
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  Speaker 11: I guess organizations. And we see, you know, a lot
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  Speaker 11: of split within party rooms with regards to it, and
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  Speaker 11: and I sort of feel that the position that I
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  Speaker 11: have in this is to do what is right as
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  Speaker 11: a co chair for the betterment of this country, to
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  Speaker 11: unite Australians. And I think, you know, what Craig Foster
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  Speaker 11: has done has created division and in our roles, as
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  Speaker 11: you know, co chairs, our positions, we need to hold
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  Speaker 11: the utmost truth, you know, if we are to united
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  Speaker 11: this country, to to to have gone to a referendum
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  Speaker 11: to for us to become a republican. And you know,
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  Speaker 11: I was quite disappointed with his with his commentary, and
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  Speaker 11: you know that his reference to mass laugh of innocent Palestinians,
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  Speaker 11: you know, we should be upholding truth and we should
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  Speaker 11: be upholding objective dialogue rather than smear tactics in inaccurate
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  Speaker 11: language around genocide and apartheid.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, he's been talking a lot of nonsense, just to
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  Speaker 2: be clear with you, as he's suggesting Israel should be
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  Speaker 2: banned from globe forty football competition soccer competitions. This is
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  Speaker 2: while countries like Iran, Syria, even a sort of a
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  Speaker 2: pretend Palestinian team have played.
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  Speaker 1: These could all play, but not Israel apparently.
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  Speaker 2: Here's some of Craig Foster on Sky News last week
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  Speaker 2: with Denika de Giorgio.
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  Speaker 12: When it comes to human rights, every single country, including
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  Speaker 12: US as human rights abuses. So what sport has to
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  Speaker 12: ask is what is the threshold below which a country
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  Speaker 12: has to be banned?
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  Speaker 9: And so, in my view, at the very least, and there's.
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  Speaker 12: No objective, sport is all over the place because it's
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  Speaker 12: very political, right just makes it own decisions as political
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  Speaker 12: any So the question for all of us is what
• 19:38
  Speaker 12: is the basic premise at which you say, okay, now
• 19:41
  Speaker 12: sport must ban that. And in my view it is
• 19:45
  Speaker 12: the two most egregious crimes against humanity, which is genocide
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  Speaker 12: and is a part time.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Look, it's just such erroneous and offensive stuff. I mean, firstly,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter how they treat women in Iran or
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia. Apparently it's all right for them to play
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: in World football, but he picks on soccer with these
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: false claims of genocide and of apartheid. They're absolutely untrue,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: extremist language. You must be concerned that that just diminishes
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: the Australian Republican movement. People, mainstream Australians aren't going to
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: want to be involved in an organization whose head speaks
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: like that about the Middle East.
• 20:24
  Speaker 11: Well, that's correct, and you would expect for us in
• 20:28
  Speaker 11: our position to uphold truth and facts and the fact
• 20:32
  Speaker 11: that the ICJ, what he was saying that it was
• 20:35
  Speaker 11: plausible genocide when a natural fact, the outcome of it
• 20:39
  Speaker 11: was that Palestins have a plausible right to be protected
• 20:42
  Speaker 11: from genocide. And you know, the ICJ also refused a
• 20:46
  Speaker 11: requests as we know from South Africa to order a
• 20:49
  Speaker 11: cease five, which legitimately gives Israel the right to defend itself.
• 20:54
  Speaker 11: And for Craig to be talking about mass slaughter, Chris
• 20:57
  Speaker 11: I went to israel I spent.
• 20:59
  Speaker 9: Ten days on the ground.
• 21:00
  Speaker 11: There is no apartheid in Israel. Of course, nine million
• 21:04
  Speaker 11: people in Israel and two million of those are Arab
• 21:07
  Speaker 11: Israelians or Arab Palestinians that enjoy the utmost freedom in
• 21:11
  Speaker 11: that country.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Yet they get a vote which they don't get in
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: most Arab countries. Just briefly before I let you go
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: and Nov, you're speaking so much sense.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: You've stood up for truth and honesty here.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Shouldn't you be the ones staying on with the Australian
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Republican movement and Craig Foster to be the one resigning?
• 21:28
  Speaker 11: Look, I had to this is also a moral stance
• 21:33
  Speaker 11: because the Jewish community are also hurting and I sort
• 21:37
  Speaker 11: of feel that there's not a lot of leadership on
• 21:39
  Speaker 11: this to bring about truth and sensibility and for myself,
• 21:43
  Speaker 11: you know, Craig wants to talk about banning Israel. You
• 21:47
  Speaker 11: know from FIFA they prolonged the vote. Football Australia said
• 21:53
  Speaker 11: that they won't going to get involved and if there
• 21:55
  Speaker 11: was a vote that they were going to abstain. And
• 21:57
  Speaker 11: you know we're talking about Palestine also. I mean here
• 22:00
  Speaker 11: in the next two to three weeks, playing Australia give
• 22:03
  Speaker 11: me on our home soil. After you know, fourteen hundred
• 22:06
  Speaker 11: people were mass slaughtered in one single day and I
• 22:09
  Speaker 11: was there to bear witness to all of that. So,
• 22:11
  Speaker 11: you know, I love the Republican movement. I would always
• 22:14
  Speaker 11: support them, and I'll continue to support them, but I
• 22:16
  Speaker 11: just had to make draw a line in the sand
• 22:19
  Speaker 11: and remove myself from you know, Craig also being applauded
• 22:23
  Speaker 11: by NASA Machini, who's congratulating Craig along the way. And
• 22:28
  Speaker 11: the other disgusting thing about this guy who's been arrested
• 22:32
  Speaker 11: is that no one has a criminal history hates his country.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 22:37
  Speaker 11: In his own words, he said that Israel and Australia
• 22:41
  Speaker 11: share two things in common. Aside from being a shithold,
• 22:43
  Speaker 11: racist settler clonely colony, they also have the highest instead
• 22:47
  Speaker 11: of skin cancer, their skin is designed for northern Europe.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Just shocking stuff. Yeah, shocking stuff. Directed yep, thanks so
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: much for bringing that to ourn't Yeah.
• 22:59
  Speaker 11: The disrespect that they've also shown our ANZAC on April
• 23:02
  Speaker 11: twenty five, it's also been noted and I'm calling on
• 23:05
  Speaker 11: Australians to not put up with this anymore. They need
• 23:09
  Speaker 11: to rise up and push back and make this country great.
• 23:13
  Speaker 11: You know what we've always known.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: It for stand up for our values. Thanks so much,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Nova Paris.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Really great for you to join us, and she's standing
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: up for her values even though it was cost to
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: that job.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Very very important point she's making.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Their going to stand up for the values of this
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: country and stand by our allies and most importantly, on
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: a debate like this, stand by the truth and reality,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: not hysterical claims against Israel.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Now, Nova Paris is.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Going to join the documentary that you've all heard about,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: hosted by Josh Friedenberg, Never Again, The Fight against Andy Semitism.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: That's on U Sky News next Tuesday, the twenty eighth,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: that's seven o'clock.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Don't miss it. Nova is one of the contributors. There
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: are plenty of other great names as well.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Now coming up after the break, I'm going to cross
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: live to Israel and catch up with Dave Shama for
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: reaction to our Prime Minister having nothing to say about
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Israel and that I action. As I mentioned at the
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: top of the show, Anthony Albanesi hasn't been cited today,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: No fancy photo opportunities after refusing to condemn or even
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: comment yesterday on the International Criminal Course decision to go
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: after Benjamin Nettan Yahoo. Here's Israel's Prime minister speaking overnight.
• 24:22
  Speaker 13: The outrageous decision by the SEC Prosecutor Karim Khan to
• 24:26
  Speaker 13: seek arrest warrants against the democratically elected leaders of Israel
• 24:30
  Speaker 13: is a moral outrage of historic proportions. It will cast
• 24:35
  Speaker 13: an everlasting mark of shame on the international court.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is something that Anthony Alberzi should have had
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: said something about sensibly yesterday, as Joe Biden did, as
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton did.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Instead, he squibbed it.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Liberal Senator Dave Sharma now joins me live from Israel
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: from Tel Aviv.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Good to speak to you, David.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: The first question is you must have been shocked that
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Anthony Alberesi actually said I can't comment about this. I've
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: got nothing to say. How would that response have been
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: responded to?
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: In Israel?
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: People were just astonished, Chris, and I'm astonished. I mean,
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: you know, Joe Biden managed to find words to express
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: justin Trudeau, has the Canadian Prime Minister, the UK Prome
• 25:17
  Speaker 8: Minister Richie, any number of world leaders that found it
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: a way to condemn the action. And their revulsion of
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: the moral equipments the ICs is engaged in, Anthony, I
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: been easy to dodge the question entirely, and then the
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: penny Wanng to force the Department to put out a
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: statement rather than addressing the issue themselves. It's just complete
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: moral cowardice. They should be taking a position on this.
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: Australida ins titles to know what does their government think
• 25:39
  Speaker 8: of this?
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Well, there's no doubt it's moral cowardice. But tell me
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: about what it is diplomatically. You're a former diplomat, you're
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: a former Australian ambassador to Israel. Our foreign policy as
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: a nation is set by what our Foreign Minister and
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: our Prime Minister say. It's their statements and their words
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: that set our foreign policy. Yet on this crucial glow issue,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: our Prime minister's duck for cover and said nothing. As
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: you say, the Foreign Minister just got the Department to
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: put out a statement. We've heard from the Energy and
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Climate Change Minister just doing saying nothing but backing the
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: ICC and the Treasurer. Today Jim Chalmers at least said
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: something added on a line about there not being any
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: equivalents between Israel and Hummas. One little slither of common
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: sense in a morass of nothing from our government. I mean,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: what is the Australian government's position right now?
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: Well, I think the truth is we don't know, Chris.
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: And it's shocking. I mean, and I would make this
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: point Anthony albineaz he tried to hide behind some sort
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: of subjudicy rule like this was a criminal prosecution before
• 26:45
  Speaker 8: a magistrate's court or something and he was being asked
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: to comment on the guilty of the accused.
• 26:49
  Speaker 9: This is not the case.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: And we comment on disputes.
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: Before international trebunals all the time. We did it just
• 26:54
  Speaker 8: a few weeks ago with respected a ICJ case in
• 26:57
  Speaker 8: South Africa's brought. We do it all the time with
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: respect to spech before the World Trade Organization. We do
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: it when China makes outlandish claims in UN bodies and
• 27:05
  Speaker 8: the Troubunal for the Law of the Sea about its
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: territorial jurisdiction. This is the call bread and butter of
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: diplomacy's setting the rules of the rules based order that
• 27:14
  Speaker 8: we live in. And absolutely we should be speaking out
• 27:18
  Speaker 8: on this and putting out of you. And that's especially
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: true because Australia was a founding member of the International
• 27:25
  Speaker 8: Criminal Court. Were one of the original signatories of the
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: Rome Treaty, the statute that established this court. We have
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: an interest in the court's credibility, and the Court has
• 27:33
  Speaker 8: dramatically undermined its credibility and seriousness of purpose with this
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: outlandishly political decision.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, and the point about the court case not being.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: An excuse to remain silent was made in the next
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: question to Anthony Albernezi yesterday when he was asked about
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: the Julian Nossange case, and he said the guy should
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: be released. So it's absolute hypocrisy and lies really about
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: that issue. Now, while you're in Israel, Dave Shama, tell
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: us who you're going to be speaking to, And I
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: want to get a sense from you now about Israel's
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: determination to finish the job of eliminating hamas and retrieving hostages,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: and whether the international pressure on it is making that
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: more difficult or stealing its resolve.
• 28:17
  Speaker 8: So look, I had a meeting with the President of
• 28:19
  Speaker 8: Israel yesterday. I'm seeing the leader of the opposition in
• 28:23
  Speaker 8: about an hour's time. A bittle longer, I'm seeing the
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: National Security Advisor. So I'm seeing people across the political
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: spectrum here in Israel, government and opposition, and I would
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: say that the population and the politic political class here
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: are very united about two things that firstly wanting to
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: recover the hostages and doing everything they can do, but
• 28:43
  Speaker 8: secondly not allowing Hamas to continue as a governing entity
• 28:47
  Speaker 8: in Gaza. And there is absolute resolve that Hamas needs
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: to be defeated, however long that might take, however difficult
• 28:55
  Speaker 8: that task might be, however much international pressure is brought
• 28:58
  Speaker 8: to about it, because the population overwhelmingly knows that they
• 29:03
  Speaker 8: cannot afford to risk living with an entity like that
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: across their border. I mean, just yesterday I was down
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: in the south of Israel where the Nova music festival
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: took place, and this is where about three hundred and
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: fifty young Israelis who are at a music festival we
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: could all imagine young Australians are something similar, were slaughtered,
• 29:23
  Speaker 8: hunted down mercilessly, women were sexually assaulted and rape bodies
• 29:26
  Speaker 8: were mutilated. That happened about five kilometers from the Gaza strip.
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: And anyone in Israel here knows whether you're left or right,
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: whether you're believing a two state solution or not. There
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: can be no peace ever had with Hamas, and Hamas
• 29:39
  Speaker 8: must be defeated.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well said Dave. Thanks so much for joining us
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: as safe travels.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Dave Shama, their liberal senator former Australian ambassador to Israel,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I want to bring the discussion now right back here
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: to Australia and the cost of living crisis, because we
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: did talk about it a lot, as we should. A
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: new research from the Salvos has found that some families
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: are using candles to save money on their power bills.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Shocking stuff.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: It shouldn't be happening in a modern country like Australia.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four, the Salvos have launched their Red
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Shield Appeal for twenty twenty four. So if you get
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: a knock on the door, dig deep if you can.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Major Brenda Nodele joins me now live from Melbourne.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Sir Brendan. I appreciate you coming
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: on board. The Red Shield ap pill is a big
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: fundraising drive every year. Why is it different? Why is
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: it even more important this year?
• 30:27
  Speaker 14: Well, that report you mentioned before, Chris is portrayed some
• 30:31
  Speaker 14: really alarming statistics.
• 30:32
  Speaker 9: So forty three percent of people.
• 30:34
  Speaker 14: That we interviewed indicated that they're going without heating or calling.
• 30:38
  Speaker 14: So that's not people saying, oh, we're thinking about not
• 30:42
  Speaker 14: having heating on because we can't afford the bill. They're
• 30:44
  Speaker 14: actually switching it off. And so when you think about
• 30:48
  Speaker 14: elderly people in a situation where they can't have a
• 30:50
  Speaker 14: heater on in a really cold winter, it's actually a
• 30:53
  Speaker 14: life and death situation for them.
• 30:55
  Speaker 9: And so this is really critical that we get this
• 30:58
  Speaker 9: information out.
• 30:59
  Speaker 14: We're seeing six nine percent of parents that we interviewed,
• 31:01
  Speaker 14: Chris saying they're going without meals so that their kids
• 31:05
  Speaker 14: can eat.
• 31:06
  Speaker 9: This is not the Australia that we want in twenty
• 31:08
  Speaker 9: twenty four. And Chris, we're also seeing thirty three percent.
• 31:12
  Speaker 14: Of people that we interviewed are really fearful of becoming
• 31:15
  Speaker 14: homeless for the first time in their lives. And so
• 31:18
  Speaker 14: when we look at these stats, we can actually think
• 31:21
  Speaker 14: to ourselves, it's some other group of people somewhere else,
• 31:24
  Speaker 14: and perhaps that's been the case in the past, but
• 31:26
  Speaker 14: the people that we see and our stats now are
• 31:28
  Speaker 14: often they are us.
• 31:30
  Speaker 9: You know, they're people from our families.
• 31:32
  Speaker 14: So people that we work with, the kids that our
• 31:35
  Speaker 14: kids go to school with, or UNI with their were
• 31:37
  Speaker 14: colleagues or neighbors.
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: They're all around us people that are struggling simply to live.
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: And it's just not on Chris.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: We know everything's going up, and particularly food and groceries
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: have been going up by about ten percent, and that's
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: tough for everyone, but the people are really caught out
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: by this is those two big factors. That is, the
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: rental increases because it's harder to keep a roof over
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: your head, and then of course you power as your
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: electricity bills because you need that. As you say, obviously
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: from what you're saying, people are having to make a
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: choice between heating themselves and eating.
• 32:10
  Speaker 14: In the past, Chris, we would have seen a situation
• 32:12
  Speaker 14: where something unexpected has happened, like a sickness somewhere in
• 32:15
  Speaker 14: the family, and all of a sudden that's throwing the
• 32:18
  Speaker 14: budget out.
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: But what we're seeing now is people simply cannot live.
• 32:22
  Speaker 14: They can't afford the utilities, they cannot afford the rent
• 32:25
  Speaker 14: and so they're having to make choices do we not
• 32:27
  Speaker 14: eat so that we can keep a roof over our head.
• 32:31
  Speaker 14: And that's not the Australia that I know, and it's
• 32:33
  Speaker 14: certainly not the Australia that we want.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: It certainly isn't Brendan. Thanks so much for joining us.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Major Brendan not there from the Salvos. Now donate if
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: you can via the Salvation Army dot org dot au
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: and expect that knock on your door. The Salvos do
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: great work around the country, as do Vinnis and others.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: But this winter is going to be a tough winter
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: for a lot of Australians and we can help out
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: in that little way.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: This is why I focus so much on the energy debate,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: because it really affects peace, people's lives, and I'm going
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: to get an expert's view on that CSIRO report rubbishing
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: nuclear energy. After this break, let's head overseas for a
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: moment to the Great Republic, the great hope for the
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: free world. Yeah, the United States, it's still the great
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: hope for the world, even though it's in a bit
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: of a shambles at the moment.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: We want to see it get it back back together.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I still can't believe there's actually supposed to be two
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: debates lined up now between Joe Biden and Donald Trump.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: The first is scheduled for June and the second in September,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I asked Kristen Tate if she thinks they're actually going
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: to go ahead.
• 33:40
  Speaker 15: I am shocked about these announcements, Chris. I've been saying
• 33:44
  Speaker 15: for months, I don't think there are going to be
• 33:46
  Speaker 15: any debates, simply because I didn't think Joe Biden would
• 33:49
  Speaker 15: be able to get through them. And I won't believe
• 33:52
  Speaker 15: it so I see it. You know, I will only
• 33:54
  Speaker 15: believe these debates are actually going to happen with these
• 33:56
  Speaker 15: two candidates are on the stage together. A lot of
• 33:59
  Speaker 15: people are asking, you know, why did Joe Biden propose
• 34:03
  Speaker 15: these debates. The answer is clearly his poll numbers, and
• 34:06
  Speaker 15: incumbent only proposes debates when they're doing poorly. Biden is struggling,
• 34:11
  Speaker 15: especially in those key swing states. And it's kind of interesting.
• 34:16
  Speaker 15: The debate, the first one in June, will be the
• 34:18
  Speaker 15: first and most the most early debate presidential debate in history.
• 34:22
  Speaker 15: This will be before either man is formally named the
• 34:25
  Speaker 15: candidate of their party.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Look, I find it extraordinary too.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: I won't believe it until I see it, especially as
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: you say, the first debate scheduled for June. We don't
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: have conventions for the Republicans till July for the Democrats
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: till August, so they're not actually official candidates by the
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: time this first debate happens. And I just think that
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump will watch the floor with Joe Biden because
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: he's so vague. But then, of course we all think
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: back to January in the State of the Union address,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: when he did pretty well. He surprised everybody that he
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: stayed right upright and got through most of these lines.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: So Donald Trump is now saying this about what he
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: wants to happen before the debate.
• 35:03
  Speaker 14: I just want to debate this guy, but you know,
• 35:07
  Speaker 14: and I'm gonna I'm going to demand a drug test too.
• 35:09
  Speaker 9: By the way, I am no, I really am.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: I don't want him coming in like the State of
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: the Union he was Hi Isaac Kite.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: He's just outrighteous Kristen.
• 35:24
  Speaker 15: I know he's hilarious, But I think the reason that
• 35:28
  Speaker 15: Biden is really wanting this to happen is to dispel
• 35:33
  Speaker 15: the series that the Democrats are going to replace him
• 35:37
  Speaker 15: in Chicago. Everybody's talking about that because nobody thinks he's
• 35:40
  Speaker 15: actually going to be able to get through this campaign season,
• 35:43
  Speaker 15: let alone actually survive another presidency. So his campaign's probably
• 35:47
  Speaker 15: trying to put those rumors to.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Bed, and I was thinking about it.
• 35:51
  Speaker 15: You know, it's actually to the benefit of both candidates
• 35:55
  Speaker 15: that the moderators are going to be extremely left wing.
• 35:57
  Speaker 15: It'll be to the benefit of Biden, of course, because
• 36:00
  Speaker 15: they're going to ask him a bunch of softball questions,
• 36:02
  Speaker 15: that it'll be to the favor of Trump as well,
• 36:04
  Speaker 15: because most Americans watching these debates absolutely cannot stand these moderators,
• 36:10
  Speaker 15: and it makes Trump look so good, and people love
• 36:13
  Speaker 15: it when he just puts these debate moderators in their place,
• 36:17
  Speaker 15: and he actually almost starts debating them moderators in many cases,
• 36:21
  Speaker 15: and he's always so funny.
• 36:23
  Speaker 9: That's what we love about Trump.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Well, the Trump quote kiss coming to a climax. We'll
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: talk about that next week.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: But I want to talk about how desperate some of
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: the campaigning is, especially from the Democrats, trying to create conspiracies.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: About Donald Trump.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: First off, just have a look at this little clip
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: from a Donald Trump online campaign.
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: Ed what happens after Donald Trump wins? What's next for America?
• 36:47
  Speaker 14: The economy booms, American energy is unleashed, and an end
• 36:51
  Speaker 14: to crushing taxes.
• 36:52
  Speaker 9: The border is closed, and the largest deportation in history
• 36:56
  Speaker 9: is underway.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Oh so it's pretty obvious what that ad is.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: This whle fight headline pushing the Trump messages and his
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: old gibberish words there in the background. I don't know
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: whether anybody's ever read them, but the Democrats have found
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: the Woods, the Fries, unified Reich, and I'll kid you not,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: they get the President of the US, the leader of
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: the free world, to make something of this.
• 37:16
  Speaker 9: Have a look, what's the next for America.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: That's not his official account. Wow, are unified Reich.
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: That's Hittler's language.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: That's not America's.
• 37:26
  Speaker 9: He cares about holding on the power.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: I care about you Hitler's language from Donald Trump as
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: joy Bidden jumped the shack.
• 37:34
  Speaker 9: Here, of course.
• 37:37
  Speaker 15: I mean, this is just another attempt by Biden administration
• 37:40
  Speaker 15: and the Democrats to make the election about Donald Trump
• 37:44
  Speaker 15: being a scary, very bad, no good Orange man who's
• 37:47
  Speaker 15: basically Hitler. I mean, that's all they've got because they've
• 37:49
  Speaker 15: got no policy to run on their candidates, you know,
• 37:53
  Speaker 15: practically dead. I mean, Joe Biden is not going to
• 37:56
  Speaker 15: survive another term, and this is the only thing they
• 38:00
  Speaker 15: can do is try to scare voters, particularly moderate voters
• 38:03
  Speaker 15: and suburban women, into thinking Donald Trump is, you know,
• 38:08
  Speaker 15: the next Hitler, And it works with some voters, but
• 38:11
  Speaker 15: I think with the vast majority of voters, they realize
• 38:13
  Speaker 15: exactly what's going on at this point, and people don't
• 38:16
  Speaker 15: even really listen to this messaging anymore. It is not effective.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Never a dull moment. Kristen, great to talk to you.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: We'll catch up next week.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you very much. Chris. Yeah, a couple
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: of things.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't describe Joe Biden as practically dead, but that's
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: why we love Kristen. She's only and also I mentioned
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: the state of the Union in January.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Of course it was in March that was my Biden moment.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: We're going to have a break on the other side,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: We're going to catch up with a Wednesday wrangle and
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: we'll continue the nuclear debate. Plus Immigration Minister Andrew Giles
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: under fire over a direction to release an immigration detainee.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Who went on to allegedly murder a man.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Let's get back to the energy debate, and I'm going
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: to say it's bizarre to see the way our green
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: left politicians and organizations like the CSIRO and AEMO criticize
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: nuclear energy has been too expensive and too slow when
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: they've spent twenty years in about two hundred billion dollars
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: on a renewables transition, that is it even halfway done
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: and has only forced prices up and reliability down. Let's
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: try to get some sense makes some sense from this
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: latest gen cost report with Aiden Morrison, who's the Energy
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: program director for the Center of Independent Studies. He joins
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: me live in Sydney. Thanks for joining us, Aiden, tell
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: us about this report. It says that nuclear is expensive
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: to build.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: We all know that, but do they.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Properly factor in how useful it is long term, especially
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: that you essentially build a plant that can operate for
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: at least seventy years. Is the end use electricity cost
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: going to be a problem or not.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: It's a very good question.
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: And the big news that' dropped today is that CSIRO
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: has actually changed their mind about what the actual cost
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: for nuclear would be. Previously, we had a price that
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: was based on a single SMR project which was somewhat
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: experimental in the States. It failed, and that was an
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: extremely high number. Now the prices to build nuclear power
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: have come back down to earth and so last week
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: they were saying it's six times expensive as renewables. This
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: week they're saying it's only about two times expensive. And
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: there's some big adjustments to make yet. For example, nuclear
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: power plans tend to last between sixty and eighty years
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: at the moment, their model only assumes that last for
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: about thirty before we'd have to basically repay the price
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: in building one again. So we're back now in the
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: ballpark and we can see fairly transparently some of the
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: remaining issues that will mean that nuclear power is actually
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: much much more valuable and could be quite affordable for
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: renewable for basically sustainable and low carbon power that can
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: actually support the demand that when we have.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: It, Yeah, and as such an important place can be
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: an important factor for our energy security long term as well.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: When we're talking about the cost then I'm very suspicious
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: about a email and CSIRO and the way they do
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: their costings.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: And I know you pull it apart in a lot
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: of detail, but there's so.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Many costs with renewables as storage, where batteries are frighteningly expensive.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: You have to have enough gas peaking power to effectively
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: replace every.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Megawatt of renewable energy.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: You've got all those transmission costs, you've got all the
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: land rental costs associated with that, and you have to
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: replace all that kit every fifteen or twenty years. So
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: are they factoring in enough of all those costs as
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: against a dense nuclear establishment.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: That is on one site for seventy to eighty years.
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: The short answer is no, I don't think it's fully
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: factored in. The second part of the answer is that
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: I wish I could see better. There's still a long
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: way that could be gone on the csirogen cost report
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: to make it more transparent, But at the moment, it
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: seems like they only show us about one billion dollars
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: worth of peak of plants that's in their kind of
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: currently constructed model, where I think that we know we're
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: going to need a lot lot more than that to
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: firm up all the renewable power. So unfortunately, it's still
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: hard to see the details. And we've sort of asked
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: for a little bit of explanation about why there aren't
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: more details, and CSIRO actually told us in the briefing
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: webinar they didn't want to be in a position where
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: they might contradict AEMO, and they would rather that AEMO
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: basically be the standard that's held to, and I think
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: there can big problems with that because there are still
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: deep issues with aemo's model, like they assume perfect foresight
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: of all the weather, so actually I don't think they've
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: factored in all the full costs.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: I appreciate Ada Morrison there from the Center for Independent
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: stud easier. They're all actually defending their model rather than
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: looking at all the options.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: That's the problem here. AEMO, the government's the CSIRO.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: They're all in on renewables and they're looking at defending
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: it at every turn. Let's stick with this topic though,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: but bring in the Wednesday wrangle with Colins Justin Smith
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: joining us from Melbourne and.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Sky News Ho's list story here on the desk with me.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: This is a fascinating debate to what do you reckon
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Justin that nuclear is too expensive, We've got to stick
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: with this cheap and reliable renewables of.
• 43:02
  Speaker 16: Well, I've said to you in the past, I'm not
• 43:04
  Speaker 16: necessarily four or against nuclear. What I think the biggest
• 43:06
  Speaker 16: problem we've got is that we can't have a decent
• 43:08
  Speaker 16: debate about it because there seems to be such a
• 43:10
  Speaker 16: political divide. You know, if you consider yourself a conservative,
• 43:13
  Speaker 16: you're four nuclear. If you think you're a lefty then
• 43:15
  Speaker 16: you're dead against it. So it's preventing a decent debate.
• 43:18
  Speaker 16: But I would only say on what's happened today with
• 43:20
  Speaker 16: the CSIRO is Peter Dutton's like every other bloody politician.
• 43:23
  Speaker 16: They just want to launch some beautiful popular projects and
• 43:27
  Speaker 16: policy and just see it drift off and everybody vote
• 43:30
  Speaker 16: for it and not get.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Questioned about it.
• 43:32
  Speaker 16: Why shouldn't the CSIRO be questioning And look, if he
• 43:35
  Speaker 16: can come back and say, hey, listen, you've got your
• 43:38
  Speaker 16: figures wrong or these are the real figures, then go
• 43:41
  Speaker 16: for it.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: And that's what the debate should actually be. But we've
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: got to have good numbers.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: And this is the problem though the CSIRO and AEMO,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: they're arguing a case.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: They're backing a model, right. I mean, if nuclear.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Didn't stack up, then the twenty three biggest economies in
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: the world wouldn't be using it.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, they'd be crumbling.
• 43:58
  Speaker 17: Honestly, they shouldn't have any credibility in this space. They
• 44:01
  Speaker 17: are a government funded body and we all know the
• 44:04
  Speaker 17: very intimate relationship between research outcomes and the people paying
• 44:10
  Speaker 17: for those outcomes. You can see that in any sector whatsoever.
• 44:15
  Speaker 17: Know on which side the CSIRO, as government bodies do
• 44:20
  Speaker 17: justin thanks for Elucidata, the.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: People who have delivered the mess.
• 44:24
  Speaker 17: These guys were writing up twenty twenty one, these long
• 44:28
  Speaker 17: research papers as they do, on why Australian should start
• 44:32
  Speaker 17: incorporating insects into their diet.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Ben Fordham was.
• 44:36
  Speaker 17: Talking about this CSIRO report as recently as this week,
• 44:41
  Speaker 17: even though it was years ago, but gosh, it's worth revisiting.
• 44:46
  Speaker 17: But as Senator Matt Canavan not died today, he's like,
• 44:50
  Speaker 17: this is actually great news from the CSIRO because in
• 44:53
  Speaker 17: their report they've said that a brand new, brand new
• 44:57
  Speaker 17: nuclear plan will cost eight point five billion dollars, which
• 45:02
  Speaker 17: is an absolute bargain. We built Snoehidro, we do build
• 45:07
  Speaker 17: billion in County. But also in this report they're saying, oh,
• 45:11
  Speaker 17: twenty years at least. If the United Arab Emirates can
• 45:16
  Speaker 17: get this thing off the ground in ten years, there
• 45:18
  Speaker 17: is absolutely no reason why Australia can't either, And we
• 45:22
  Speaker 17: all need to remind our shelves we're not starting from scratch,
• 45:25
  Speaker 17: as much as Labour likes to say that we are not.
• 45:28
  Speaker 17: We already have nuclear facilities here nuclear and we will
• 45:32
  Speaker 17: be expanding on that.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Now let me get on to some of the suggestion.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Sorry mate, yeah, now we've got to move on. We'll
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: keep the nuclear de bait going.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: But I want to talk about there's a cupcake shop
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: in the western suburbs of Sydney.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: They're selling these cakes that glorify Humus terrorists for kids,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: a Sydney baker. Look at these cakes and this is
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: what they're encouraging kids for birthday parties.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Or whatever, to glorify Humus terrorists.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Now they've taken down this post apparently after so many
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: people apparently were joining in the celebrations about this sug.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Justin this is just sick stuff.
• 46:11
  Speaker 16: Oh man, it is too And look, I mean, look
• 46:14
  Speaker 16: at that coward on the cupcake as well, got his
• 46:17
  Speaker 16: face covered. I just think they should and I don't
• 46:19
  Speaker 16: know what the hell are they thinking. I mean, if
• 46:21
  Speaker 16: they think that they're trying to help the Palestinian people
• 46:25
  Speaker 16: on the ground, you know, the civilians, they're trying to
• 46:27
  Speaker 16: help innocent people caught up in this in this war, then.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: That man, they have got it so wrong. This is
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: how you were in hatred is aside.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Some people are on Yeah, this is how hatred you
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: inculcated among kids.
• 46:43
  Speaker 17: This is what our government has imported amongst us. They
• 46:47
  Speaker 17: made their faces very plain on October seventh when they
• 46:50
  Speaker 17: were rejoicing about it in the streets of Sydney. So
• 46:55
  Speaker 17: did the backup hate preachers. So did the people ripping
• 46:57
  Speaker 17: down the hostage posters in bond and elsewhere.
• 47:01
  Speaker 9: So insequeople out and out.
• 47:03
  Speaker 17: Threatening Jewish people as they were going about their everyday
• 47:06
  Speaker 17: lives on the streets of Sydney and elsewhere in this nation.
• 47:10
  Speaker 17: This is a great story in that it highlights two people.
• 47:16
  Speaker 17: We do have radical Islamists among us. We do have
• 47:19
  Speaker 17: Hamas supporters. We keep being told, oh, no, you can
• 47:22
  Speaker 17: support Palestine, not necessarily support Hamas. No, some of these
• 47:26
  Speaker 17: people are legitimate Mask supporters. They celebrate them, and they
• 47:31
  Speaker 17: are raising their children to also celebrate them.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: It is true.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: And the worry is there's just been not enough pushback
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: against this from day one, from the October the eighth
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: when we saw those celebrations, there's been no pushback from
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: government and authorities, and that's why this stuff just festers
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: among us. It's a real worry. We're going to hear
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: more about it in the future. I want to finish
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: on a happy note, though, And I know we all
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: worry about public servants, all the stresses they've got in
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: their jobs for life.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this story. When things get a
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: bit too much from them.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Apparently they have little Lego rooms and the like, so
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: they can go off in de stress and clock off.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: For a while, presumably justin while they play with the
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: lego and chill out.
• 48:15
  Speaker 16: Oh did they get this one wrong in the current climate. Look,
• 48:19
  Speaker 16: I'm all for people having space to whether it be
• 48:24
  Speaker 16: to meditate or even pray if that's your thing, or
• 48:26
  Speaker 16: to take a moment, or yes, even play Lego, but
• 48:28
  Speaker 16: we shouldn't actually be paying for it. I don't think
• 48:31
  Speaker 16: it's a public service right to be able to sit
• 48:35
  Speaker 16: down and play Lego. They've got a badly wrong, i'd
• 48:37
  Speaker 16: so I'm going to see a big walk back on
• 48:39
  Speaker 16: this very soon.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Labor have given us thirty six thousand extra public federal
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: public servants in the budget.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: They didn't mention they're buying the Lego.
• 48:47
  Speaker 17: For them is an absolute joke. It reduces government to
• 48:49
  Speaker 17: a joke. It reduces workplaces to a joke. It reduces
• 48:52
  Speaker 17: the public servants themselves. I guarantee the smart ones are
• 48:56
  Speaker 17: currently being like, why did you give us ridiculous toys
• 48:59
  Speaker 17: to play with? Now it's made the headlines and we
• 49:01
  Speaker 17: look like absolute fools. Although there's a really good argument
• 49:05
  Speaker 17: that the people working for the Department of Agriculture are
• 49:07
  Speaker 17: doing a terrible job anyway, So there they are making
• 49:11
  Speaker 17: our farmers' lives hell. I've been told by so many
• 49:13
  Speaker 17: people working in agriculture this has been one of the
• 49:16
  Speaker 17: worst Australian governments in a very long time for farmers
• 49:20
  Speaker 17: and the like, and now they're giving them toys to
• 49:24
  Speaker 17: play with.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: It's pathetic.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: It is pathetic, as you say, it infantilizes all of them.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Liz and Justin appreciate it. Looking
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: forward to catching up again next week. Coming up right
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: now is Peter Quivlin. I'll see you tomorrow.