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about, when we hear more of what happened.
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There is something to talk about tonight, though.
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There was a Senate hearing on Capitol Hill
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with a CIA whistleblower on Wednesday.
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I'm going to get into that here in
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this hour.
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It always seems to go back to Georgia
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since 2020.
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We've been discussing this quite a bit on
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And Mark Davis is an interesting guy.
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He is an expert witness that has been
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doing things on Georgia elections for almost a
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He's going to be joining the program in
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I'm Booker.
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This is The Truth Be Told.
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Thank you for joining us.
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I really do appreciate it.
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The CIA whistleblower that went to the Senate
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and had this hearing, Rand Paul and uh
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Senator Ron Johnson, both of them were there
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and instrumental in this hearing.
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They both did a great job.
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And this had to do with the COVID
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origins and where it actually came from.
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I think most of us here, if you're
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listening to this program or myself, we always
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knew that it came from a Wuhan lab.
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It was uh made, it was man-made, it
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was created, probably by Dr.
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Fauci, and we're trying to get to the
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truth, and that's what this hearing was about.
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The CIA whistleblower decided to come forward.
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Unfortunately, if you paid attention to this hearing,
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you saw that there were no Democrats there,
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not one.
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They really don't care about the truth, or
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they're afraid that the truth will come out
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and they'll realize that uh they covered everything
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up, because that's what happened here.
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I brought it to you on this program
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back in March of 2023.
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I talked about it last week that Dr.
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Robert Redfield testified that three things happened in
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that Wuhan lab.
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It is now declassified, and it has been
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declassified for three years, but it is obvious
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to anyone that can read that something happened
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in that Wuhan lab that created COVID and
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it got away from them.
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Or they did it intentionally.
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They allowed COVID to go out.
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A lot of people believe that.
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Are we ever going to really find the
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truth?
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I found it interesting that the Democrats didn't
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care about it, and when you look at
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the mainstream media, they didn't either.
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So as big a deal as I believe
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this is, and maybe you feel the same
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way.
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It really isn't, because it's not going to
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change anyone's mind about this because the people
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that need to see it and need to
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know about it, they're not going to see
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it.
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I just did a Google search.
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I just put in CIA whistleblower.
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Guess who is doing any coverage of this?
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Fox News and Fox Business.
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That's it.
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And some right wing conservative media.
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ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, none of them
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are doing anything on the CIA whistleblower that
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gave this testimony that I'm going to go
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through here.
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And Senator Ron Johnson was begging the mainstream
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media to to show this.
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They haven't.
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They continued to cover it up because they
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were either complicit or stupid.
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I'm not sure which one.
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But they don't now want to come out
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and say, oh, look, look at this.
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The Wuhan lab leaked the COVID in China.
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We couldn't even say China back then.
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If you remember that, they tried to correct
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President Donald Trump when he would do a
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press conference.
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Many of us on social media that were
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bringing it to the attention of the American
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people.
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We got censored and silenced, and we know
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now that it was the Biden administration working
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with big tech, Google, and Twitter and Facebook
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that shut those voices down.
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So in a way, you can't even blame
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half the country or more who don't believe
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this because the voices that were trying to
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bring the truth to them, they were shut
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down.
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That's a problem with censorship, but that's what
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we live through.
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The CIA whistleblower, James Eerdman, and he accused
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Anthony Fauci of playing an intentional role in
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the agency, scrapping a plan to announce the
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virus was leaked from the Wuhan lab.
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This goes all the way back to 2021
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when COVID was still happening.
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He says Fauci is the one that covered
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that up, and the CIA did not announce
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that it came from the Wuhan lab in
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2021.
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And there was also a hearing done in
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the House of Representative years ago.
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I remember watching this, and it was Representative
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Jim Jordan that was asking the questions then
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about why the story changed.
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Why was there two possibilities going into a
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weekend and coming out of the weekend?
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There was only one.
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The two possibilities are it was uh bat
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soup and a wet market in Wuhan.
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The other one was a leak from a
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lab.
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After the weekend was over, there was uh
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only one option.
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And that option was it was bat soup
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from a wet market.
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James Erdman here is also gonna talk about
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something that happened in 2021 in five days
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that changed the narrative.
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Let's go to opening statements.
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Here is CIA whistleblower James Erdman.
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Intelligence community leaders and senior analysts downplayed the
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possibility that the COVID pandemic originated as a
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result of a lab incident.
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Motives are difficult to define given the scope
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of the digs review.
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Intentional or not, the IC's actions resulted in
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cover-up, wasted resources, and a failure to properly
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inform policymakers.
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I want to go back to what I
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was talking about with Jim Jordan here.
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The motive, the motive.
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Why did this change?
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Why did the narrative change to only one
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possibility?
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Jim Jordan asked the question.
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The answer was nine million dollars.
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There was a nine million dollar grant or
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nine million dollars in grants to two different
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people that changed everything.
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They wrote a letter and said without a
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doubt that this was uh Batsu from a
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wet market in Wuhan.
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And that letter was repeated by the New
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York Times, and that became the narrative.
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And it was Anthony Fauci that gave the
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nine million dollars in grant.
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I think it was about three or four
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I think it was about three or four
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months after that letter.
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months after that letter.
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So there you have the motive.
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So there you have the motive.
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There you have the person who did it
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There you have the person who did it
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in Anthony Fauci.
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in Anthony Fauci.
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If you pay attention to all of these
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If you pay attention to all of these
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hearings and you put all of them together,
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hearings and you put all of them together,
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you can put it together as to what
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you can put it together as to what
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happened when COVID was here.
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happened when COVID was here.
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And what there was a cover-up.
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And what there was a cover up.
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We knew it then, we know it now.
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We knew it then, we know it now.
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Unfortunately, as I said, mainstream media isn't covering
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Unfortunately, as I said, mainstream media isn't covering
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it, and I don't know that the people
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it, and I don't know that the people
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that need to hear this will ever hear
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that need to hear this will ever.
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it or ever know it.
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Dr.
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Fauci's role in the cover-up was intentional.
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Dr.
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Fauci influenced the analytical process and findings by
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leveraging his position to ensure the IC consulted
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with a conflicted list of curated subject matter
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experts, public health health officials, and scientists.
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This included some of the authors of the
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paper, The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2, and other
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public health experts who have been in his
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orbit for the last 20 plus years.
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Some of the scientists were part of the
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biological sciences experts group, or the BSEG, an
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office and an office of uh director national
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intelligence advisory body whose members often receive considerable
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funding from NIAID and public health agencies.
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B-Seg scientists influenced national laboratory WMD research, policy
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decisions, finished analysis, and other intelligence matters, creating
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misaligned incentives and conflicts of interest.
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Very interesting testimony there.
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And while we're talking about the CIA, CIA
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director Tulsi Gabbard, a spokesperson for her, denies
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that there was a CIA raid.
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Let's get into this just a minute, and
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then we'll get back to that hearing.
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Olivia Coleman is the name of this spokesperson,
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and she says this is false.
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The CIA did not raid the DNI's office.
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That is because Jesse Waters put it out
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that that did happen.
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Who knows?
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I don't know who to believe anymore.
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Jesse Waters said breaking, the CIA just raided
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Tulsi Gabbard's office.
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Holy smokes.
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Waters says the Fauci whistleblower James Erdman the
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third claimed while in court yesterday that the
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files were actively being prepared for public release
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when the CIA allegedly stepped in and took
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possessions of them.
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Now this spokesperson for uh the Tulsi Gabbard
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and D and I says that did not
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happen.
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So who knows?
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Let's wait again for a couple of days
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and let the dust settle, and maybe we'll
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find out some truth.
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It took us five years to find out
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the truth on COVID, but here we are.
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Let's go to Senator Rand Paul.
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Rand Paul has been a dog on Fauci
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for years.
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Thank goodness one uh one senator was.
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He has been.
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The statute of limitations has now run out
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on Fauci.
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He is not going to be held accountable
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for anything.
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But here is Senator Rand Paul.
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Is it your testimony that there is still
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resistance from the CIA to comply with the
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law we passed to declassify all the COVID
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information?
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Yes.
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I believe as a result of that line
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of question from Senator Rand Paul, Representative Anna
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Paulina Luna from Congressional District 13 in Florida
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put this post out.
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The CIA has 24 hours to return the
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documents to Tulsi Gabbard's office, or else I
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will make a motion to issue a subpoena.
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These documents have been requested by Congress.
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Leading report also put this information out.
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CIA seized 40 boxes of JFK and MK
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Ultra files that were being processed by the
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Office of Director of National Intelligence ODNI for
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declassification.
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This is per this whistleblower James Erdman.
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Again, this has to do with JFK MK
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Ultra Files, and the DNI, at least the
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spokesperson for the office is saying this did
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not happen.
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Let's go back to Rand Paul.
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One of the things that I think is
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new today that I'm hearing from your testimony
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is that from an early period of time
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you believe and the information you're aware of
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is that CIA scientists from an early time
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after the pandemic began, 2020, 2021, uh were
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concluding that the lab leak was the most
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likely hypothesis.
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Yes, Senator.
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I'd like to offer some qualifications on that
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as well.
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Um a lot of the the issues occurred
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at the interagency space uh at the National
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Intelligence Council, the individuals responsible for uh conducting
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uh or or writing WMD analysis.
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So, and many of those individuals are on
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JDA from the CIA.
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But um, yes, uh very early, be as
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early as 2020, there were agencies within the
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IC circulating papers that um that said, hey,
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there's for example, DOE circulated a paper in
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May of 2020 that said that all the
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conditions were present for a lab leak.
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Um, and I could go through the timeline,
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uh, but yes, my short answer is yes,
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periodically throughout 2020, all the way to 2024.
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Yes.
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I think the arguments, you know, pro and
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con for what is the evidence on whether
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this came from a lab or came from
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nature are still important.
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So for years we've been asking the CIA
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to produce the scientists, uh, either in a
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classified setting or a public setting to discuss
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the arguments.
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I don't see any reason why the argument
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should be classified.
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You know, one of the arguments that's made
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publicly is that the source looks like it
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came from a single source of RNA, not
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like five different types of viruses or 20
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different types like you had with SARS 2003,
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but it came from one source, and virtually
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everybody argues that sort of indicates a lab
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and not a nature.
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And so those arguments are important scientific arguments
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to have, but we've been prevented from having
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them.
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We've been preventing from uh getting all of
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the declassified information.
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Now I want to go back to what
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was declassified back in 2023, the three things
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that happened in that lab.
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There was an air filtration system changed.
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The Army of China, the PLA took over
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control of that lab, and the genetic sequencing
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of everything in that lab, the lot scientists'
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work that they had worked on their entire
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lives disappeared, and that doesn't happen.
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So it was pretty obvious that something happened
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at that lab in Wuhan in 2019, September
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2019 is when those things took place.
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That is now declassified.
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So when you put these little pieces together,
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these nuggets along the way, it's clear to
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see what happened.
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Clear to see what happened.
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And as I said, uh most of the
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And as I said, uh, most of the
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country is not seeing this.
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country is not seeing this.
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Only Fox News and Fox Business are putting
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Only Fox News and Fox Business are putting
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it on television.
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it on television.
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The mainstream media is not.
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The mainstream media is not.
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And do a Google search.
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And do a Google search.
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You'll see it yourself.
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You'll see it yourself.
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If the people that need to see it
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If the people that need to see it
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aren't seeing it, what is the point of
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aren't seeing it, what is the point of
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even doing it?
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even doing it?
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But what I think is is of uh
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But what I think is is of uh
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importance that's new today is that your testimony
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importance that's new today is that your testimony
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is that the CIA scientists were concluding that
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is that the CIA scientists were concluded.
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it was lab, but then when this uh
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there was a 90-day study in 2021, and
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this study was uh done by NIC, led
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by NIC.
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Tell us what NIC is again.
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It's the National Intelligence Council, and individuals responsible
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for writing various WMD and and and bio-related
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issues led to it.
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So when they had this study, they had
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CIA scientists telling them look, the evidence, the
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scientific evidence looks like it came from the
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lab.
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But then they brought in Anthony Fauci.
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And is it your opinion that Anthony Fauci
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uh was able to overrule the scientist or
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get NIC to conclude somehow that there wasn't
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a conclusion to be had here?
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We're going to be neutral, contradicting what the
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scientists were telling them.
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I'll tell you what was testified by the
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two people that changed everything.
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They were paid nine million dollars by Anthony
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Fauci through a grant.
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That's what happened.
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So there's two questions there, and I want
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to break them up into two.
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One is where were the injection points, Dr.
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Anthony Fauci?
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Where did Dr.
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Anthony Fauci in and when did he inject
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himself into the IC?
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And the other half of that question, if
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I'm if I'm, and I don't want to
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extrapolate too much here is okay.
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What happened with with why was there a
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change in analysis?
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And we know that answer because of Anthony
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Fauci and 9 million dollars in grants.
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That was a different hearing.
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That was a very long time ago.
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I played it on the show when it
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did happen.
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Here's a little more of James Erdman, the
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whistleblower from the CIA.
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Had the American public been made aware that
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a virus from a lab in China was
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going to serve as the foundation for an
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emergency use authorization mRNA products.
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Here we go.
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Being mandated by the former administration.
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Dr.
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Fauci's role in the cover-up was intentional.
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Dr.
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Fauci influenced the analytical process and findings by
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leveraging his position to ensure the IC consulted
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with a conflicted list of curated subject matter
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experts, public health health officials, and scientists.
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That was a pretty important point he made
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there about the MRNA and the way everybody
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reacted to COVID.
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And we weren't allowed to ask questions, or
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we were censored.
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Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin.
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He did a great job in this hearing.
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Let's go to him.
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One point and one question.
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Just received this uh from Liz Lyon, the
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CIA director of public affairs.
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The committee acted in bad faith by subpoenaing
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an agency officer for testimony today without notifying
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CIA.
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Despite having already obtained closed door testimony from
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the individual previously, the witness testifying today is
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not appearing as a whistleblower in pursuit of
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the truth, but instead in response to the
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subpoena issued by Chairman Paul.
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This proceeding amounts to nothing more than a
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dishonest political theater.
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Masquerading is a congressional hearing as the CIA
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has already assessed.
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COVID 19 most likely originated from the lab
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leak and efforts to undermine that conclusion are
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disingenuous.
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I am calling on CIA Director Radcliffe and
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this person to apologize to Chairman Paul and
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this committee.
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This is not political theater.
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I have years and years and years of
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built-up frustration of agencies like the CAA, Department
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of Justice, the FBI, HHS, snubbing our oversight,
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giving us the big middle finger.
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And he's right.
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That's exactly what those agencies have done.
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They are supposed to be held accountable by
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the people.
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Senator Rand Paul, Senator Ron Johnson, they are
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the people.
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They are our elected officials that have oversight
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responsibility.
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And if these agencies within government are pushing
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back against that oversight, then who is running
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this country?
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It's not a government for the people and
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by the people, then, is it?
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One more thing from Senator Ron Johnson.
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When you get the bond of this, and
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right now I'm I'm just using this moment.
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I need the mainstream media, CBS, ABC, CNN.
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To step forward and start covering what is
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a major scan.
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How many thousands, tens, hundreds of thousands of
18:43
people are permanently disabled or possibly lost their
18:46
life because our FDA hid the fact that
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there were safety signals screaming at them with
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the COVID injection.
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So again, I I you can't answer all
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my questions in terms of who's but we
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need to figure out who is running this
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deep state.
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Great question.
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We need to figure that out.
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Who is running the deep state of the
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United States of America?
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They are the ones really running the government.
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It's not the people.
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You can tell that.
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And so many people became sick because of
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the MRNA vaccine they took that was also
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covered up by the FDA.
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Mark Davis, an expert in Georgia elections.
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This is Booker Scott.
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Welcome back to The Truth Be Told.
21:17
And when I think about the 2020 election,
21:19
my mind goes to a few places.
21:21
Detroit, it goes to Atlanta, Georgia.
21:24
That's uh really the main two places it
21:26
goes to, but there were other places too.
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There are many questions that.
21:28
There are many questions that many people still
21:29
have.
21:31
And uh the way I look at Georgia,
21:32
I've spent a lot of time looking at
21:34
Georgia and dealing with that Georgia election in
21:36
2020.
21:38
I look at that Georgia election sort of
21:40
like a middle school girlfriend.
21:42
Every once in a while there's a breakup,
21:45
there isn't a lot of news coming from
21:47
Georgia, and then something happens and everybody gets
21:49
excited and thinks we're gonna get all the
21:51
answers, and there is going to be accountability
21:53
and transparency, and then you break up again.
21:56
And that's sort of the way my middle
21:58
school relationships were, and that's what I think
21:59
we have with Georgia when it comes to
22:01
the 2020 election.
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I'm gonna bring somebody into the program now
22:06
that has an incredible amount of experience with
22:08
voter roles in the state of Georgia.
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He's been around it for 40 years.
22:13
He started this long before 2020.
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His name is Mark Davis, and he's been
22:19
around Georgia politics since 1986.
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His dad was Guy Davis.
22:24
He ran for governor in the state of
22:26
Georgia, and his dad really was instrumental in
22:29
making the Republican Party something that had never
22:31
had been before in Georgia.
22:34
If you don't know the history, Georgia was
22:36
very much a Democrat state up until about
22:39
1986 when Guy Davis ran for uh governor.
22:42
He had a good showing then.
22:44
Let's bring Mark Davis into the program.
22:46
Now, Mark, thank you for coming on the
22:47
program and doing this segment here.
22:50
Thanks for having me.
22:50
I appreciate it.
22:51
Well, let's get into a little bit about
22:53
your background because I think it's important that
22:55
people understand that this isn't something new for
22:58
you since 2020.
23:00
You have been digging into Georgia politics and
23:03
races, election voter roles for many, many years.
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Talk about that for just a minute.
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Okay, so um back in the early 90s,
23:12
I started producing enhanced voter databases for candidates.
23:16
Um, at the time, the only place you
23:19
could really get quality voter data and quality,
23:22
I'll have to put in quotes, was from
23:24
the RNC itself, and you weren't able to
23:27
get the data until you became the nominee.
23:30
And that happened in dad's race, and it
23:32
it aggravated me.
23:34
So I started building voter databases, and this
23:38
was before the 1993 NVRA pass.
23:42
And then when it rolled out, I could
23:44
go to the Secretary of State's office and
23:46
get their state on the CD, but it
23:48
was expensive.
23:51
So um that's what kind of got me
23:53
started and working with with voter data back
23:56
in the day, was dad's campaign and then
23:58
those activities.
24:01
But then in 2002, I had been seeing
24:04
some irregularities in the voter data that I
24:07
went before the state election board to talk
24:10
about um people who were registered where they
24:14
didn't live, and people who are improperly districted.
24:17
And I got a lot of pushback from
24:20
the Secretary of State at the time, but
24:22
we had a disaster of a of a
24:24
race in House District One that year.
24:27
And the chairman of the Georgia Republican Party
24:29
asked me to go up there and serve
24:31
as an expert witness, and I did.
24:34
And I've been doing it ever since.
24:37
Um about 23 years of those cases.
24:41
So I'm I'm pretty experienced with it.
24:43
Overall, what have you seen over those 23
24:44
years?
24:46
What do you see in Georgia's voter roles?
24:50
We have really bad problems with residency here,
24:53
and it's really interesting because I learned recently
24:57
just how far back it goes.
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Georgia is kind of unique in that we
25:03
actually execute what's called a voter certificate when
25:05
we go to vote, and that's us attesting
25:08
under oath that we are who we say
25:10
we are, and that we live where we
25:13
say we live.
25:16
And lying on one of those certificates is
25:17
a felony.
25:19
What's interesting about that, and what's always puzzled
25:23
me about that, is that the residency violation
25:27
itself, in other words, voting in the wrong
25:31
county, um, is under OCGA 21-2-217, uh, is
25:35
the residency statutes and it's 218 that people
25:40
get prosecuted under.
25:44
Uh specifically OCGA 21-2-218 F, which prohibits us
25:48
from voting in the wrong county.
25:53
Violating that statute is just a misdemeanor.
25:57
So I've always been puzzled why the violation
26:00
is a misdemeanor, but lying on the voter
26:03
certificate is the serious felony.
26:06
So I went back and researched it.
26:08
And here's what I learned.
26:09
This is this is fun stuff.
26:11
So in the election of 1892, we had
26:15
an incumbent Republican.
26:19
We had a Republican who was elected, and
26:21
then he was running again as an incumbent
26:23
in 1894.
26:26
And there was so much fraud in that
26:29
election, it was incredible.
26:32
We had ballots uh for the Republican who
26:34
were destroyed.
26:37
We had double voting, we had people from
26:40
outside the county uh voting in that congressional
26:42
district.
26:45
We had people coming in from other states
26:47
voting in that congressional district.
26:49
I mean, it was bad.
26:50
BAD bad.
26:52
What's interesting about the statute that they enacted
26:55
is that it has survived through multiple rewrites
26:58
of the election code intact.
27:02
And the other thing that's interesting about it
27:05
is that particular statute is about the voter
27:09
certificate themselves, but it contains a residency clause
27:13
in there that prohibits us from voting outside
27:16
of the right precinct.
27:20
So what's interesting is the the residency statutes
27:23
sort of stand in one part of the
27:25
code section, but here under voter certificates, there's
27:28
that other provision about not voting in the
27:31
wrong precinct.
27:34
And so it's very interesting to me that
27:36
there's sort of a discombobulation of the statute
27:38
there, but I don't want to get too
27:41
far away.
27:43
Yeah, one well, one it seems like I
27:45
guess, Mark, would be that it was a
27:47
response to something that happened.
27:49
And without looking at the older law, it
27:52
kind of overlaps but doesn't really help anything,
27:54
is what it sounds like.
27:57
And government does that a lot too.
27:59
Uh they have multiple laws trying to deal
28:00
Have multiple laws trying to deal with something
28:01
with something, and and it ends up messing
28:02
and and it ends up messing everything up.
28:03
everything up.
28:05
I also real quick, let's get into a
28:05
I also real quick, let's get into a
28:07
little bit of your history with uh some
28:07
little bit of your history with uh some
28:10
of the actors there in the state of
28:10
of the actors there in the state of
28:12
Georgia, because I believe that's really interesting.
28:12
Georgia, because I believe that's really interesting.
28:14
Uh, you have relationships with the Secretary of
28:14
Uh you have relationships with the Secretary of
28:16
State Raffensburger.
28:16
State Raffensburger.
28:19
I think probably most people remember that character,
28:19
I think probably most people remember that character.
28:21
uh, Governor Brian Kemp, Gabriel Sterling, the guy
28:22
Uh Governor Brian Kemp, Gabriel Sterling, the guy
28:24
that actually ran the race in 2020 in
28:24
that actually ran the race in 2020 in
28:26
Georgia.
28:26
Georgia.
28:29
You go way back.
28:29
You go way back with him as well.
28:31
If you could talk a little bit about
28:33
that relationship, I want people, the listeners to
28:35
understand that you have been there in Georgia
28:38
elections for a long time.
28:40
You know these actors.
28:42
And I should I should have mentioned earlier
28:44
also that you write for the Federalist.
28:47
And uh yeah, you've been writing, you've been
28:49
outspoken about these things, and it really wasn't
28:51
an easy decision for you to get to
28:53
to come out and and start writing the
28:55
way you have about the elections in Georgia
28:57
because it has been your life for a
28:59
very long time.
29:02
Talk about those relationships a little bit as
29:04
we go into what the FBI did back
29:07
in January and what has happened or has
29:09
not happened between January and now.
29:12
So talk about those relationships.
29:14
Okay, so the way I wound up writing
29:16
for the Federalist was um I was talking
29:19
to Molly Hemingway when she was writing her
29:21
book rigged, and if you look in the
29:23
index, you'll you'll see my name in there.
29:26
But we spent a lot of time talking
29:28
about the 2020 election and and all the
29:30
things that had happened.
29:33
And um, then after we won the fair
29:35
fight versus true the vote case, where I
29:38
was a defendant, uh, she invited me to
29:40
to start writing as a contributing writer for
29:43
the Federalists, and and I've been doing that
29:45
ever since, and I really enjoy it.
29:48
What's wonderful about it is you know, I
29:50
I write the stories that I really care
29:52
about.
29:54
Um, and if I you know, if I
29:56
if I don't have anything in particular on
29:58
my mind, I kind of take a break
30:00
from it, but it's it's really fun to
30:02
be able to pop up with a good
30:04
story and borrow their megaphone for a few
30:06
minutes and and be able to get the
30:08
word out on it.
30:10
I like Molly Hemingway a lot and the
30:11
Federalist.
30:13
Oh, she's she's an amazing woman.
30:16
Um I uh I really have mad respect
30:18
for her.
30:20
But you're right.
30:21
Um, I've known a lot of the people
30:22
here for a very long time.
30:23
I've known Gabe since he was about 15.
30:25
He went through school with my youngest brother,
30:28
and when my dad was running for governor
30:30
in 86, he'd be at the house for
30:33
parties or get togethers or fundraisers, whatever else.
30:36
He was a big Matt Manningley person at
30:37
the time.
30:38
And if you're listening to this and you
30:40
don't know who he's referring to, it's Gabriel
30:42
Sterling, who was in government and he left
30:45
government to run the 2020 election in Georgia,
30:47
and he would come out and do press
30:49
conferences and say that the election was fine,
30:51
there was nothing wrong.
30:54
And meanwhile, the rest of us were watching
30:55
everything on television and pipes bursting, and it
30:57
just seemed like a lot was wrong in
30:59
Georgia.
31:01
But Gabe Sterling is the person that Mark
31:03
is talking about now that was friends with
31:06
his younger brother back 40, 45 years ago.
31:09
Go ahead.
31:09
I'm sorry for interrupting.
31:11
Oh, no worries.
31:12
So for several years, um Gabe worked at
31:16
Landmark Communications for a friend of mine named
31:20
Mark Roundtree, who was Brad Rathensburger's political consultant.
31:25
And uh right around the time of the
31:28
2020 election, Rathensburger dropped him as a client.
31:32
Um I'm sorry, um, Roundtree dropped Rathensburger as
31:34
a client.
31:36
Um, he was really unhappy with um Rathensburger's
31:39
decision to do the mass mail out of
31:41
6.9 million absentee ballot applications and the creation
31:44
of the drop boxes and all that kind
31:47
of stuff.
31:50
So Roundtree dropped him even before that infamous
31:53
phone call um in January of 2021.
31:57
And by the way, just to keep people
32:00
up to date here, what we're talking about
32:02
now is you're talking about the e-phone call
32:04
that President Trump made at the time to
32:06
find 11,000 more votes, and that's all he
32:09
needed, which became the reason that Fonnie Willis
32:11
prosecuted there in a Rico case because of
32:13
that phone call, and I guess it was
32:16
all set up by another name you may
32:18
remember from back in 2020 and 2021, Jordan
32:20
Fuchs.
32:23
But please continue with the story.
32:24
Okay, let's sidebar for a second on that.
32:27
The transcripts from Fanny Willis's special purpose grand
32:31
jury were recently released, and there were two
32:34
big takeaways from them.
32:37
One was uh David produced transcript where he
32:40
talked about the true the vote um evidence
32:43
that he had given to Vic Reynolds, who
32:45
was uh the head of the GBI at
32:48
the time, and the other was Jordan's uh
32:50
transcript.
32:53
We now know for sure she was the
32:57
person who leaked fabricated quotes from the from
33:00
the call to the post.
33:04
Um a lot of people think she leaked
33:07
the actual recording of the call.
33:09
They eventually did get that, but when they
33:11
did, they kind of called her out on
33:13
what she'd given them previously.
33:15
So it's it's long been theorized that she
33:18
was the person responsible for that mess.
33:22
And now we know based on the transcripts
33:24
that it actually was her.
33:26
Yeah, yeah.
33:27
I think most of us at the time
33:29
thought it was her.
33:31
And uh, you're saying it has been confirmed
33:32
that it was.
33:34
Go back to what you were talking about
33:37
about Roundtree and Raffensburger and Gabe Sterling.
33:40
Yeah, so during Raffensburg's campaign for Secretary of
33:43
State, I actually uh coached him on election
33:46
integrity issues because Mark had told me that
33:48
he wanted to be an election integrity candidate,
33:51
and I spent quite a bit of time
33:54
talking with him about the problems in the
33:57
voter rolls and um the residency violations that
34:00
were going on and and all of that
34:03
kind of stuff.
34:06
And that's why when that phone call happened,
34:08
uh I had given an analysis that I
34:11
did of those issues to the Trump attorneys,
34:14
and I was I was supposed to serve
34:16
as an expert witness in the Trump versus
34:19
Rathensburger case.
34:22
And then when I heard Rathensburger sit there
34:25
on that phone call and basically deny that
34:28
we have a major problem with residency and
34:31
and try to minimize those issues.
34:34
I mean, he admitted that they do happen,
34:36
but kind of tried to trivialize the issue.
34:38
That's what finally just ripped it for me
34:41
because I knew what he was doing there
34:44
was trying to protect his legacy and his
34:47
ambition.
34:50
Uh he was rumored even when he was
34:52
a candidate to have designs on the governor's
34:54
office, and now he is in fact a
34:56
candidate for governor of Georgia.
34:59
You believe that was his motivation for everything
35:00
Was his motivation for everything that he did
35:01
that he did in 20 and 21.
35:02
in 20 and 21?
35:04
You think that's my personal opinion, and the
35:04
You think that's my personal opinion.
35:06
guy had the nerve to write a book
35:06
And the guy had the nerve to write
35:08
a book called Integrity Counts.
35:08
called Integrity Counts.
35:10
But when integrity really did count, he betrayed
35:10
But when integrity really did count, he betrayed
35:12
us all.
35:12
us all.
35:14
And what really upsets me about that is
35:14
And what really upsets me about that is
35:17
that our base was so disheartened that it
35:17
that our base was so disheartened that it
35:21
didn't turn out like it needed to.
35:21
didn't turn out like it needed to.
35:25
Um there were there were races on the
35:25
Um there were there were races on the
35:27
ballot that actually got more of.
35:27
ballot that actually got more votes than Donald
35:29
Trump.
35:32
And I think people just got really disheartened
35:34
and either didn't turn out or or didn't
35:36
vote in that race.
35:39
And I think it cost us control of
35:40
the U.S.
35:42
Senate.
35:42
I think that Rathensburg's dishonesty in that phone
35:44
call.
35:46
I think it literally and the leak of
35:48
the phone call.
35:49
I think it literally costs us control of
35:51
the U.S.
35:53
Senate.
35:54
But if you look at Jordan's transcript, um,
35:56
it's clear that she is the one that
35:59
leaked the call.
36:02
Um so and it's not clear that Rathensburg
36:05
knew.
36:08
In fact, I think she may have even
36:09
said in there, I have to go back
36:11
and look at it, but I think she
36:13
may have even said in there that um
36:14
it was her that leaked the call and
36:16
that it was without his knowledge.
36:18
Where is she now?
36:19
Uh I'm not sure.
36:20
I she's been kind of laying low, or
36:23
at least in my perception.
36:25
Uh I haven't heard much about her uh
36:26
recently.
36:28
Um maybe she figured all this was going
36:30
to be coming out at some point and
36:31
just kind of decided to move away.
36:34
Go to the background.
36:35
Yeah, I would too.
36:36
We're coming up against a break.
36:37
We're going to continue this conversation.
36:39
Mark Davis is his name.
36:40
He's been involved with Georgia elections and voter
36:43
role since 1986.
36:47
Expert witness for over 23 years.
36:50
You heard him mention that he was going
36:51
to be an expert witness for President Donald
36:52
Trump.
36:53
We're going to talk about what has been
36:56
going on lately in Georgia, because there is
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Coming up tonight at nine o'clock, it is
38:17
after dark with Rob and Andrew before that,
38:19
the National Security Hour.
38:21
And coming up in just a few minutes,
38:24
it is unleashed the political news hour.
38:26
Mark Davis is our guest tonight.
38:28
We're talking about the 2020 Georgia election.
38:31
And again, it it seems like every time
38:33
we get a little bit of news, then
38:35
it goes away and we don't hear anything.
38:38
People get excited and then we get crushed.
38:40
And uh that's sort of been the way
38:42
things have been going in Georgia for what
38:44
it seems like a long time now.
38:46
It's been five years.
38:48
Uh recently in January, the FBI came and
38:50
raided Fulton County.
38:52
I really thought we might have some news
38:54
about that very quickly.
38:56
And we keep getting teased by the administration.
38:59
Even Susie Wiles, the week before last, she
39:01
said that there's information coming out.
39:04
Mark, what do you think?
39:05
What do you make of all of that?
39:07
Do you think we're going to get some
39:08
information from this administration?
39:10
There might be some accountability.
39:12
I I don't know.
39:13
I start to give up every once in
39:14
a while.
39:15
Well, here's my take on it for what
39:16
it's worth.
39:17
And let me give you a little background
39:18
um on that.
39:20
Um I spoke with the DOJ last uh
39:23
September.
39:25
It was the it was the same day
39:27
Charlie Kirk was was shot.
39:30
And um I didn't hear much at all
39:34
uh after that for several months, but then
39:38
uh kind of out of the blue in
39:42
mid-January, the FBI started uh calling folks in
39:45
for interviews, and one of the people that
39:49
was interviewed was Bridget Thorne.
39:54
Um but I know most of the other
39:56
folks that that also were interviewed, and I
39:59
know what those folks tend to talk about.
40:02
I know what their issues tend to be.
40:05
And um, and I was interviewed as well,
40:08
and so I have a in my mind,
40:11
I think I have a pretty good understanding
40:14
of what the FBI probably heard about, and
40:18
there was some there was some very legitimate
40:21
issues put on the table, and then they
40:24
took those interviews and they crafted an affidavit
40:27
and they took it to a federal magistrate,
40:30
and they asked for a warrant um for
40:33
the election records from the 2020 election, which
40:36
the state election board had been trying to
40:39
get already and couldn't.
40:43
And so then uh a couple weeks after
40:46
all those interviews, they went in and seized
40:49
those materials and Fulton filed a motion to
40:53
try to get them back, and that failed.
40:56
It didn't work.
40:57
But I guess what we're here to talk
41:00
about today is um the latest on that,
41:03
which uh in my mind is extremely interesting.
41:07
The there's a federal grand jury um that
41:10
subpoenaed the records for basically all of the
41:14
election workers uh in Fulton County, hundreds, maybe
41:18
even thousands of them.
41:22
And the uh members of the Fulton County
41:25
Commission and some of the election board there
41:28
have just been having a fit over that.
41:32
They're saying that it would violate the privacy
41:34
of all those workers and all this kind
41:36
of stuff, and there's been all this blue
41:39
ha ha over the uh the request, but
41:41
I think a lot of people are missing
41:44
the point.
41:47
I mean when a federal grand jury starts
41:50
looking at something as major as the 2020
41:53
election in Fulton County, um, they could be
41:56
looking at any number of things.
41:59
They may have only wanted the the election
42:00
They may have only wanted the the election
42:02
worker information so that the FBI could go
42:02
worker information so that the FBI could go
42:04
out and do some interviews of those people.
42:05
out and do some interviews of those people.
42:08
That doesn't mean that they're focused exclusively on
42:08
That doesn't mean that they're focused exclusively on
42:10
the election workers at all.
42:10
the election workers at all.
42:12
Yeah.
42:12
Yeah.
42:13
Um God only knows what they're looking at,
42:13
God only knows what they're looking at.
42:15
But when you talk election workers specifically, poll
42:16
but when you talk of election workers specifically,
42:18
workers or people working in election offices, who
42:19
poll workers or people working in election offices,
42:21
was it that they have tried to subpoena
42:21
who was it that they have tried to
42:24
as far as the records.
42:24
subpoena as far as the records?
42:28
Well, um looking at um my story here,
42:28
Well, um
42:31
I've got a I've got them listed in
42:34
there, but they're they basically want the folks
42:37
that were doing the tabulating, they want the
42:41
folks that were involved in transporting ballots, they
42:44
want um basically anybody that even got near
42:47
um a ballot, and there were a lot
42:50
of temp workers because remember, we had COVID
42:53
going on at the time, and they had
42:56
a lot of temp workers from Happy Faces.
42:59
Yep, Stacey Abrams, by the way, had given
43:02
a grant to Happy Faces, she's connected with
43:04
Happy Faces, the temporary employment agent.
43:07
And if you look at the poll workers
43:10
in Fulton County specifically, you'll find that they're
43:13
all Democrats, which was the reason why I
43:15
started Save Your Republic.org was to recruit conservative
43:18
poll workers because we don't have any.
43:21
And that was the motivation for that, really
43:22
was Fulton County.
43:24
When you look into it, they were really
43:25
all Democrats that were there.
43:27
And I thought, well, we need conservatives back
43:29
there where they're counting and doing the tabulating.
43:32
We don't need just watchers because the watchers
43:33
were thrown out by the workers that were
43:35
there.
43:37
So please continue where you are with this
43:39
subpoena and those that the FEI and the
43:42
Department of Justice want to speak to.
43:45
Well, I think your perspective on the situation
43:48
is spot on, and back at the time,
43:52
um Bridget Thorne, who is now an incumbent
43:56
Fulton County Commissioner, was a poll worker, and
44:00
she be she became whistleblower, a whistleblower, and
44:04
um she filed an affidavit complaining about um
44:08
the the poll workers and the imbalance and
44:11
all of this kind of stuff, and when
44:15
the FBI showed up wanting to talk to
44:19
her, she gave them a copy of that.
44:24
And if you read the redacted affidavit that
44:28
the FBI used to obtain the warrant, um
44:31
it's not hard to figure out that she
44:35
was one of the people that was redacted.
44:39
Um Fulton County responded with a jaw-dropping act
44:44
of retaliation here in Georgia.
44:50
The political parties are allowed to put um
44:53
these questions on the ballot, just kind of
44:56
take the pulse of their you know, their
44:59
their voters, and they've always been a little
45:02
bit on the sketchy side uh on on
45:05
both sides, really.
45:08
Some of them are you look at them
45:09
and you go, I don't know about that,
45:10
you know.
45:12
But the the one they put about her,
45:14
let me just read it to you verbatim.
45:16
Sure.
45:17
It said it said, are you aware a
45:22
sitting Republican Fulton County Board of Commissioners served
45:27
as a witness alongside other 2020 election conspiracy
45:32
theorists on the affidavit the FBI used to
45:36
steal your private election information?
45:42
Yes or no.
45:46
I kid you not.
45:48
Uh what a way to frame something that
45:50
you want people to vote for.
45:53
And when you think about the poll workers,
45:55
all the poll workers' information was already stolen
45:57
by China.
45:59
So I'm not sure why anybody would push
46:01
back about that.
46:03
It seems pretty silly to me.
46:05
Where is this going at this point, Mark?
46:08
What do you think?
46:09
Well, they obviously want to talk to some
46:10
poll workers or at least go through those
46:12
records for some reason or or what have
46:13
you.
46:15
But there were a lot of other major
46:17
issues that were put on the table.
46:19
Um, you know, we already know about the
46:23
the missing or unsigned uh tabulator tapes.
46:27
We already know that a lot of those
46:30
tabulators at the end of early voting were
46:33
collected up and taken to um election hubs
46:36
so that they could be repurposed for the
46:39
uh the precincts for election day.
46:42
And when that happened, the memory cards from
46:45
them were taken out, and they kept 12
46:48
of the tabulators, uh, best we can tell,
46:51
and printed the tabulator tapes off of them,
46:54
which means they were printing the tabulator tapes
46:58
on a different tabulator than the one that
47:01
conducted the election.
47:04
And I think the reason that so many
47:06
of those tabulator tapes went unsigned is because
47:08
neither the poll managers or the poll workers
47:11
were even there to sign the tabulator tapes
47:13
that were produced when it when the tabulation
47:16
occurred.
47:19
So you know, when you vote, there's a
47:22
scanned image of the ballot, so they're they're
47:24
scanned into the memory of the machine, they're
47:27
not tabulated though until election day.
47:30
It's illegal to tabulate until election day.
47:34
So I hope all that makes sense.
47:36
It does.
47:37
And I as I remember it in Georgia,
47:39
there was also a poll worker that testified
47:41
in a hearing that the ballots that she
47:44
looked at, they were mail in were pristine,
47:46
and they all voted for Joe Biden.
47:49
And she is someone that had volunteered or
47:51
or was a poll worker for many years
47:54
and had never seen anything like that.
47:56
And that is that was Susie Voils, who
47:59
I've also known since I was a kid,
48:03
and um I believe what she says.
48:07
I've never known her to be a liar,
48:09
and I don't think she was the only
48:11
one who who noticed that.
48:14
Um, I don't know how much focus the
48:16
FBI has or doesn't have on those particular
48:18
issues, but there are some major ones.
48:20
You know, there's the double scan ballots in
48:23
Fulton County, there's the unside tabulator tapes.
48:27
Um there's yeah, the there's questions about chain
48:30
of custody, uh, there's questions about the the
48:33
voter database, you know.
48:36
We had you know, people that we had
48:39
folks that have become unqualified voters who were
48:41
allowed to to vote in that election.
48:44
Uh we had folks that were registered at
48:48
commercial mail receiving agencies or commercial addresses, just
48:51
all kinds of stuff.
48:55
So we don't really know what the FBI
48:57
is looking at, but you know, the Democrats
49:00
keep raising the issue of the the statute
49:00
Yeah, the Democrats keep raising the issue of
49:02
of limitations.
49:02
the statute of limitations.
49:06
So if there's if that really is a
49:06
So if there's if that really is a
49:09
pertinent issue, then we should hear something fairly
49:09
pertinent issue, then we should hear something fairly
49:13
soon.
49:13
soon.
49:16
But my understanding, and I'm not a lawyer,
49:16
But my understanding, and I'm not a lawyer,
49:19
but my understanding is is if there's a
49:19
but my understanding is if there's a conspiracy
49:21
conspiracy or false information, you know, that kind
49:22
or false information, you know, that kind of
49:24
of that statute limitations can be quote unquote
49:24
that statute limitations can be quote unquote told,
49:27
told, in other words, extended.
49:27
in other words, extended.
49:30
Yeah, if it's a RICO case, then that
49:32
it would be extended, no doubt about that.
49:36
Well, I'll I'll say this on that topic.
49:39
When I look at so many vote centers
49:42
that didn't produce the poll tapes or didn't
49:45
sign uh the poll tapes uh by the
49:48
poll manager or the witnesses, there's supposed to
49:52
be the poll manager and two witnesses.
49:55
When I look at such a massive failure
49:58
to follow procedures, I I recall there was
50:01
one that actually did it right.
50:04
But when I look at dozens that did
50:06
it wrong, I don't view that as a
50:09
clerical error as as Rathensburger uh likes to
50:11
say.
50:14
Because that's what we hear.
50:15
We hear, well, they made a mistake, it's
50:16
a clerical error.
50:17
It really doesn't matter about the election, they'll
50:18
say.
50:20
But doesn't that sound more like a management
50:21
decision to you?
50:23
Possibly, but the the greater question is if
50:25
there are all these questions, why can't we
50:28
just get the answers?
50:30
Why why can't it be transparent?
50:32
And if you and I are wrong in
50:34
everything that we have believed for the last
50:37
five years, prove it.
50:40
Yeah, absolutely.
50:41
Why is that so difficult?
50:46
The problem I think we have here, you
50:49
know, we've got we've got Rathensburger who is
50:52
has ambitions on becoming governor.
50:55
And if his if his record becomes tarnished,
50:57
that becomes a lot more difficult.
51:00
But Rathasburger and Kemp are sort of tied
51:03
together because the transition to Dominion began under
51:05
Kemp and then was a uh was completed
51:08
under Rathensburger.
51:10
So I I feel like both the Secretary
51:13
of State and the governor sort of have
51:16
vested personal interests in um protecting their legacy,
51:19
and they don't they don't want uh they
51:22
don't want it to be known that we
51:25
had major problems in the election because it
51:28
might make them look bad.
51:31
Yeah, and after they both said that it
51:33
was a great election, then you don't want
51:35
that information coming out.
51:36
You know, some of the work that we
51:39
did on Savior Republic.org for poll workers, when
51:41
we were doing that, and we put together
51:43
over 5,000 links in one place, and it
51:46
was for every poll worker application across the
51:48
country, and this was prior to the 22
51:50
midterm, early 2022.
51:53
We found that there would be so many
51:56
different ways to easily steal an election through
51:59
the poll worker part process.
52:02
And uh, you know it was it was
52:04
amazing to find uh the the way the
52:07
different states do it, and that in a
52:09
lot of states, the applications all came to
52:11
one person.
52:13
If it happened to be someone on the
52:15
Republican side of Arizona, it was that state.
52:17
If it has to be someone on the
52:19
a Republican, they could just throw all the
52:21
Democrat applications away for poll workers, then you
52:23
have all Republicans counting the ballots in the
52:25
back room.
52:27
So um, you know, there there are ways
52:29
to steal an election, whether it was nefarious
52:31
or not.
52:34
I think you and I both would agree
52:36
that we believe that it was in 2020
52:38
in Georgia, and we would just like to
52:40
have the answers.
52:42
I don't understand why that's so difficult.
52:45
You mentioned uh Molly Hemingway's book rigged.
52:48
That's what we believe.
52:50
So why can't we get there?
52:53
And I would think with the Trump administration,
52:55
we are, but as you mentioned, the statute
52:57
of limitations, and here we come to another
52:59
midterm, another election.
53:01
And if the people don't get the accountability
53:04
that they think that we deserve, then I
53:07
think you hit on it earlier.
53:10
That also creates voter apathy.
53:12
And will they go vote?
53:13
And if they don't go vote, then we
53:15
lose the House of Representatives, maybe we lose
53:17
the Senate, and we've got a mess.
53:19
And it's all because we don't get the
53:21
accountability back to Georgia in 20, Michigan in
53:24
20, Arizona, Nevada.
53:27
Uh there were there were a couple of
53:28
other states too.
53:29
Pennsylvania was another one that was questionable.
53:31
Where do you think this goes now, Mark?
53:33
Are we going to get the FBI to
53:36
uh go knocking on doors and make arrest
53:38
and have perp walks?
53:40
It's really hard to say.
53:42
Uh going back to what you said about
53:45
the election workers, what's really interesting to me
53:48
is I'm trying to do this uh his
53:51
website called ballotassure.com, and he's done an analysis
53:54
of 2020 and 2024.
53:58
And one of the things that's interesting, uh
54:01
just I think the six months or maybe
54:05
a year, um he picked up uh a
54:08
way to hack into a Dominion system using
54:12
one of those poll worker cards that the
54:15
card have.
54:19
And it's already been known for a while.
54:23
In fact, there was a lawsuit or two
54:24
over it.
54:26
One of them was um decab GOP versus
54:29
Rathensburger uh over the password issue.
54:32
The Dominion password was put out on a
54:36
report in the EAC website as far back
54:40
as sometime around 2010.
54:44
In other words, we bought the Dominion system
54:48
in 2019 with known security issues.
54:51
Yeah.
54:52
And when analysts got a hold of it
54:55
and when they're went in there and looked,
54:59
they found the Dominion password, the master hard-coded
55:02
Dominion password, which is D V S C
55:06
O R P 08 exclamation mark.
55:09
They found it in use in six counties
55:11
here in Georgia, but our whole state uses
55:13
Dominion.
55:15
So that means they were probably using the
55:17
same password in all of the state.
55:20
But that password was also found in use
55:22
in Michigan and Arizona.
55:24
So I have a friend named Philip Davis,
55:27
and he's probably the best ballot data analyst
55:29
that I know, or actually is, um, maybe
55:32
in the country.
55:35
Um, he has a website called ballotassure.com and
55:37
he did an analysis of the 2020 election
55:40
and the 2024 election, and anybody who wants
55:43
can go and and read up on his
55:45
reports on what he found.
55:48
But um he he noted last year, and
55:51
I think he did this at DEF CON
55:53
out in Las Vegas.
55:55
If you have an access card, you know,
55:57
we were talking about the poll workers a
55:58
minute ago.
56:00
If you have an access card from a
56:00
If you have an access card um from
56:03
pole worker, it can be accessed, and you
56:03
a poll worker, it can be accessed, and
56:06
can get what you need to get into
56:06
you can get what you need to get
56:09
the Dominion system through that card.
56:09
into the Dominion system through that card.
56:14
So if we had nothing but Democrats are
56:14
So if we had nothing but Democrats, or
56:16
mostly Democrats, Stephen, um, you know, that's uh
56:16
mostly Democrats, even you know, that's uh that's
56:19
that's a concern, I think, because that could
56:19
a concern, I think, because that could have
56:22
have happened.
56:22
happened.
56:25
Hopefully eventually we're gonna get the answers to
56:25
Hopefully, eventually we're gonna get the answers to
56:27
Georgia and Michigan.
56:28
Georgia and Michigan and Arizona.
56:31
That would be all of our hope.
56:32
We have another election coming up soon, and
56:34
we need to make sure that our vote
56:35
counts.
56:37
That's the most important thing.
56:38
And don't forget that you were told two
56:40
thousand years ago that you are the salt
56:42
of the earth and the salt without flavor,
56:44
it has no value.
56:46
So whatever you do, keep being salty.
56:48
Have a great night.
56:50
There is only one truth.
56:52
You've been listening to The Truth Be Told
56:55
with Booker Scott on America Out Loud.