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Halloween Week: The Hungarian Vampire - Bela Kiss · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Ladies, gentlemen, vays, and EM's. Welcome to Halloween Week with
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  Speaker 1: Wicked and Grim. My name is Jacko and for the
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  Speaker 1: remaining five days, I will be your master of ceremonies
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  Speaker 1: as we continue to dive deep into terrifying tales. So far,
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  Speaker 1: we've heard two excellent stories, one The Man with a
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  Speaker 1: Thousand Faces, a cold hearted killer, and two one of
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  Speaker 1: the world's most haunted paintings, The Hands Resist Him. And
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  Speaker 1: now Nicole has the pleasure of talking about something even
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  Speaker 1: more disturbing, taking it back to just after the Victorian
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  Speaker 1: era in the early nineteen hundreds, we have a true
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  Speaker 1: tale of a real life vampire. Now let's meet our hosts,
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  Speaker 1: introducing Ben and Nicole.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Halloween Week.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Nicole, I'm Ben, and you are listening to Wake
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  Speaker 3: It and.
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  Speaker 2: Grim, a true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 3: As you said, Halloween Week, boom on to day three.
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  Speaker 2: This is very exciting. I'm enjoying this thoroughly.
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  Speaker 3: And yesterday episode one hundred today one oh one oh one,
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  Speaker 3: which I got to say something just before recording this,
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  Speaker 3: I hopped in the shower after work and I had
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  Speaker 3: a genius idea and I'm really regretting that we didn't
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  Speaker 3: have the time to act on said genius idea.
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  Speaker 2: Goodness, Actually, a lot of good ideas come in the shower,
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  Speaker 2: hey they do. It's like your time er actually have
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  Speaker 2: a moment to think.
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  Speaker 3: Your mind has that moment to relax.
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  Speaker 2: Perfect and you don't have to and nothing else to
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  Speaker 2: like watch or distract you exactly.
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  Speaker 3: But my idea was if what if for episode one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and one. It's too late now, but what if
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  Speaker 3: we took the story of one hundred and one Dalmatians,
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  Speaker 3: the Disney story and retold it as a true crime.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Yeah, that'd been cool.
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  Speaker 3: Because Cruela Deville was like she was a hoe.
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  Speaker 2: She's freaking terrifying, she was, and she.
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  Speaker 3: Was like trying to murder poppies and no.
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  Speaker 2: Like she's basically the worst. Honestly, those Disney movies sometimes
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  Speaker 2: are just like questionable.
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  Speaker 3: Well, a lot of the Disney movies have actually been
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  Speaker 3: like revamped to be very family appropriate when reality they.
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  Speaker 2: A'm And there's so many Easter eggs in there too
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  Speaker 2: that make them like the East Eggs of more like
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  Speaker 2: being for parents and stuff that like kids wouldn't catch
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  Speaker 2: on to and stuff and the adult jokes so fucking
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  Speaker 2: sad most of them. A lot of them are goddamn
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  Speaker 2: Like I cried so much watching freaking Disney movies as
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  Speaker 2: a kid.
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  Speaker 3: Like the Toy Story one for example.
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  Speaker 2: That one brutal, The Toy Story one. The Toy Story, oh,
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  Speaker 2: like where he loses his toy or like which part.
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  Speaker 3: Well, like once you get more down, like Toy Story
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  Speaker 3: like three and shit.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I honestly watched them for.
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  Speaker 3: A where Andy's all grown up and has like abandoned
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  Speaker 3: his toys and shit, and they're like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that is sad, and then they're just like
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  Speaker 2: in a garage zone shit yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Or like literally getting ground up at the dump and
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  Speaker 3: like literally dying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, I think it was more so the Lion
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  Speaker 2: King for me. I ranked me.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, the Lion King. Yeah. If you did not cry
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  Speaker 3: as a child watching The Lion King, you have no soul,
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  Speaker 3: simple as that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh. Anyway, we are not here to discuss Disney. We're
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  Speaker 2: here to discuss true crime. Well is this Yeah, this
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  Speaker 2: is crime. I don't know why I hadn't. This is
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  Speaker 2: very much so crime.
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  Speaker 3: Well even still, it's Halloween weeks or gone with.
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  Speaker 2: Just yeah, well for a minute, I was just like,
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  Speaker 2: what is this? What am I doing? Where am I?
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's let's hear what you're doing. Let's hear where
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  Speaker 3: you're at.
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  Speaker 2: Are we ready to just roll? Well?
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  Speaker 3: What else we got to talk about? We don't have
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  Speaker 3: a I've got.
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  Speaker 2: A whiskey water today. Actually, So this case is as
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  Speaker 2: spooky as they come. Like, it was a good choice
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  Speaker 2: for Halloween week. I'm like patting myself on the back here.
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  Speaker 2: So this is the case of Bella Kiss. So some
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  Speaker 2: called in some things I listened to or whatever watch,
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  Speaker 2: they called him Bela, but the majority called him Bella,
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  Speaker 2: So I'm going to just go with Bella's that seemed
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  Speaker 2: the most common.
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  Speaker 3: Fair enough.
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  Speaker 2: You could also refer to him as the Hungarian vampire.
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  Speaker 3: Oh shit, that sounds scary and sexy.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, that could sell some shit, couldn't it.
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  Speaker 3: Bella Kiss, the Hungarian vampire. That sounds like a porno
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  Speaker 3: Actually it does.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but well maybe it is who the fuck a
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  Speaker 2: I didn't research?
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  Speaker 3: That probably has a parody where it is.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but before we get into that mess up title,
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  Speaker 2: we'll cover some background in full. So Bella Kiss was
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  Speaker 2: born in the countryside of zach Austria, Hungary in eighteen
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  Speaker 2: seventy seven.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, taking it way back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is actually I don't do a lot of
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  Speaker 2: old ones, but this one, this one got me.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: Not much as known about his early life. There are
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  Speaker 2: rumors out there that he may have had a relationship
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  Speaker 2: of sorts with his mother. Oh, an incest relationship.
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  Speaker 3: Of sorts, incestual love.
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  Speaker 2: It so some no, pretty nasty. Actually, some experts believe
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  Speaker 2: this as it can be common, apparently for serial killers
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  Speaker 2: who end up targeting women to have inappropriate relationships with
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  Speaker 2: their mothers at an early age. Ah. So I'm just
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  Speaker 2: giving the facts here, like mommy is. It could be
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  Speaker 2: a nasty rumor, it could.
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  Speaker 3: Be true, or he could have literally had mommy issues.
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  Speaker 2: Because a lot of times do with these older cases.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of like a game of telephone
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  Speaker 2: in the sense where a lot of things get kind
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  Speaker 2: of changed and as they get told and stuff. So yeah, So,
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  Speaker 2: other than that nasty rumor, there's no specific evidence in
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  Speaker 2: Bella's childhood that could have predicted the murderous tendencies that
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  Speaker 2: would emerge later in his life. By the time Bella
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  Speaker 2: was twenty three, he was renting a home in the
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  Speaker 2: town of Sincta, outside of Budapest, where he lived from
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  Speaker 2: nineteen hundred onwards or so gotcha. He lived a fairly
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  Speaker 2: ordinary life as a tinsmith. So a person who makes
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  Speaker 2: and repairs things made out of tin.
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  Speaker 3: Never would again light metals.
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  Speaker 2: I just thought I had to put that definition there.
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  Speaker 2: You never fucking know, but I was like, that definition
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  Speaker 2: makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: Also a nickname tin Basher.
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  Speaker 2: M m yeah. Yeah, And he was well regarded the
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  Speaker 2: neighborhood and very much so liked. He was known for
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  Speaker 2: being a handsome, blonde haired and blue eyed man who
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  Speaker 2: would charm those around him with ease and would throw
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  Speaker 2: lavish dinner parties at his house. Yeah, he was like
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  Speaker 2: a real charmer. Despite no known formal education, Bella was
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  Speaker 2: extremely intelligent and well wet read in literary and historical studies,
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  Speaker 2: which of course only added to his appeal, especially with
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  Speaker 2: the ladies.
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  Speaker 3: He's smart, hey, sexy, he's got it all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he kind of seemed like the whole package. Well
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  Speaker 2: except that he's a fucking murdering piece of shit, all right,
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  Speaker 2: That is not something of desire?
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  Speaker 3: Was that what you wrote down in your research? He
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  Speaker 3: is a murdering piece of shit.
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  Speaker 2: No, that actually just came out. That was my inside
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  Speaker 2: voice coming out. So his likability and intellect would later
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  Speaker 2: aid him in getting away with his murderous acts. He
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  Speaker 2: was also an amateur astrologer, so someone who studies astrology
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  Speaker 2: and uses it to tell people who, who or how
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  Speaker 2: they believe it will affect their lives.
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  Speaker 3: Gotcha, being all like Mars is in retrograde, Hide your kids,
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  Speaker 3: hide your wife because I'm gonna be grumpy as fuck.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, gotcha. And like he was just a man
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  Speaker 2: of a lot of interest. It seems he also had
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  Speaker 2: an eccentric interest in.
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  Speaker 3: Oops, bumped the table, sorry.
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  Speaker 2: In occult practices. So it's believed by some that Bella's
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  Speaker 2: interest in the occult could somewhat explain the unique manner
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  Speaker 2: of his crimes and the rituals that went along with them.
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  Speaker 3: Oh we've gotten ritualistic stuff in here.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, like this is a really messed up,
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  Speaker 2: messed up one.
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  Speaker 3: I'm intrigued. The occult has like always fascinated me because
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  Speaker 3: there's like there's just some really weird stuff in there,
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  Speaker 3: like you can dive deep into that shit.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, so around this time, well, and I
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  Speaker 2: also I was just I don't know why this has
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  Speaker 2: popped in my head, but I was like, I feel like,
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  Speaker 2: back then, you just have more time because well we
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  Speaker 2: waste time now, I like like scrolling through social and shit,
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  Speaker 2: so you'd have more time to like be into reading
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  Speaker 2: this stuff and learning and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, yeah, there is I.
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  Speaker 2: Waste too much time on social for sure.
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  Speaker 3: But I do also think that there's a lot more
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  Speaker 3: today where it's like, oh, you want to survive, It's
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  Speaker 3: like you got to work a day job for ten
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  Speaker 3: hours and then have three side hustles.
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  Speaker 2: That's true. Actually, that's very true a lot of people. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you have to have more than one job.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So around this time, Bella would begin placing personal ads,
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  Speaker 2: so it's kind of like back in the day online dating.
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  Speaker 3: Ish, gotcha. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So he'd use the alias Hoffman in a Budapest newspapers.
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  Speaker 2: He claimed to be a lonely widower looking for marriage,
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  Speaker 2: and would utilize that charm and good looks to court
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  Speaker 2: higher class women into giving him their money and even
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  Speaker 2: sign over their assets.
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  Speaker 3: Oh shit, yeah, he's hustling them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, in the span of his life that we
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  Speaker 2: know of, Bella was married twice, and I'll touch on
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  Speaker 2: his second marriage as it pertains to the story. So
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen twelve, approximately eleven years after first arriving in Sincta,
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  Speaker 2: Bella married a woman fifteen years his junior named Mary
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  Speaker 2: or Murray. Sorry Mary and Murray always get those mixed up.
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  Speaker 2: So her name was Murrie.
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  Speaker 3: About how old is he at this time?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you want me to do math? I
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  Speaker 2: can do that because.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sitting here wondering. Like, his wife is fifteen years
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  Speaker 3: his junior. So how old would that make his wife?
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  Speaker 3: I know if they married a lot younger back in.
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  Speaker 2: Those days, but he was thirty five actually at this time.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so she would have been like thirty two or
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  Speaker 3: thirty or sorry, sixteen, seventeen, seventeen eight, like twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 2: She was fifteen years his junior.
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, sorry, I don't know where I got my
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  Speaker 3: math from this.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it was nineteen twelve, so I think there's just
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  Speaker 2: a lot of numbers fulton in your brain.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyway, he scored a fifteen. I was gonna
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  Speaker 2: say year old, but fifteen years his junior.
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  Speaker 3: So hold on, he was thirty two thirty five. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: thirty five okay, yeah, my numbers are way off today.
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  Speaker 2: So now I got a double check. Did I fuck
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  Speaker 2: that up?
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  Speaker 1: Good?
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  Speaker 3: God?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Thirty five?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, my bad.
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  Speaker 2: I just did math like on a calculator, so I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't fuck that up.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm drinking whiskey, so I couldn't have fucked it up.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, So she would have been like twenty. So
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  Speaker 2: after only a year of marriage, however, Mary or Marie
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  Speaker 2: would lose interest in this marriage. Oh and she would
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  Speaker 2: begin to have an affair with a legal artist named Paul. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: So though they thought they were keeping this relationship a secret,
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  Speaker 2: Bella would eventually find out. It always comes out.
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  Speaker 3: Scandals, scandals, I tell you, especially back in those days.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you don't have Instagram, you don't got Twitter.
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  Speaker 3: You gotta talk it out right.
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  Speaker 2: When I think like a lot of people in the
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  Speaker 2: community knew. So Bella ended up finding out. So and
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  Speaker 2: shortly after that, the pair would go missing.
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  Speaker 3: There's a pair, now a pair?
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  Speaker 2: Was that a joke?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it was a joke.
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  Speaker 2: It was just like I looked at you, so just like,
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  Speaker 2: are you serious?
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  Speaker 3: No, I know there's not an actual pair you're talking
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  Speaker 3: about the couple. I get it.
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  Speaker 2: God, Okay, the pair went missing, with Bella telling neighbors
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  Speaker 2: and Marie's relatives that the couple ran off together to America. Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 2: they went to good old America.
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  Speaker 3: But that was a lie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one and ten percent a lie, because
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  Speaker 2: in reality, Mary and her lover Paul were murdered.
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  Speaker 3: Maurie Marie Marie.
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  Speaker 2: So they were murdered by Bella in a fit of
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  Speaker 2: jealous rage, and would become Bella's first victims in a
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  Speaker 2: string of many to follow. The act of murdering his
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  Speaker 2: wife and lover seemed to unleash a violent urge inside
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  Speaker 2: of Bella that he couldn't control. No one was the wiser,
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  Speaker 2: though the neighbors felt sorry for Bella, who, despite having
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  Speaker 2: a lot going for him, was seemingly abandoned by his wife.
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  Speaker 2: Now that he was living as a lonely bachelor, Bella
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  Speaker 2: decided to hire an elderly housekeeper by the name of
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  Speaker 2: missus Jaquebec.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, no, miss Jaquebec. Is she gonna die, isn't she?
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  Speaker 2: No? Actually?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, thank god, okay, No.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like he probably liked her. Jaquebec so he
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  Speaker 2: also started to frequent various brothels and would be seen
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  Speaker 2: entertaining various ladies. His target was always wealthy women, though
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  Speaker 2: he would defraud them of their money and lure them
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  Speaker 2: back to his house with the promise of marriage. This time, however,
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  Speaker 2: was different. It was different than the last.
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  Speaker 3: It was different than the last.
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  Speaker 2: This time he would beat the women. Oh shit, strangle
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  Speaker 2: them with his bare hands, or use a rope until
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  Speaker 2: they're light completely dimmed, and they were no longer.
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  Speaker 3: So he's either doing one or two things. He's either
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  Speaker 3: reveling in it and enjoying it, or too he's getting
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  Speaker 3: out some sort of anger.
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  Speaker 2: Shit, yeah, he's I think that he's.
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  Speaker 3: Enjoying the process one way or an.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like he released this urge that he realizes he
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  Speaker 2: likes and now he's just doing it freely, which is disgusting.
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  Speaker 3: It is so.
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  Speaker 2: Missus Jacubec, Bella's housekeeper, though in the same house, apparently
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  Speaker 2: never saw these women for very long or knew of anything.
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  Speaker 2: So what was starting to get noticed though by Missus
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  Speaker 2: Jacubec as well as the neighbors, was an accumulation of
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  Speaker 2: large metal drums that Bella kept at the house.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I know where this is going.
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  Speaker 2: A neighbor of Bella suspected that it could be out alcohol,
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  Speaker 2: so he reported the barrels to the police. The police
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  Speaker 2: did show up at Bella's house to investigate, but Bella
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  Speaker 2: just laughed it off. Explained to them that he was
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  Speaker 2: stockpiling piling gasoline in anticipation of the upcoming war, where
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: rationing would inevitably have to occur. Remember he had that charm, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that makes total sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So the police felt that was a logical explanation
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  Speaker 2: and left without even checking to see what was inside
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  Speaker 2: the barrels.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if it was a thing back then,
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  Speaker 3: like a warrant. But if they don't have a warrant,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's all I can really do. But if
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  Speaker 3: they didn't need a warrant, then you should have at
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  Speaker 3: least taken a peek inside, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess they could have asked too,
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  Speaker 2: and then he would have no but he probably would
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  Speaker 2: have been able to just talk his way out of it,
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  Speaker 2: just seeming like how he was, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's the police's job to ensure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if they don't have grounds really other than
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  Speaker 2: just some neighbor being nosey thinking that there's alcohol in there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, But my point is, back then, did
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  Speaker 3: they need grounds other than let's just walk in and
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  Speaker 3: just double check and make sure I.
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  Speaker 2: Have no idea, That's my point. I also feel like
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  Speaker 2: people back then were probably more trusting because there wasn't
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  Speaker 2: true crime podcasts and shit that showed how much like
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  Speaker 2: people are horrific.
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  Speaker 3: Touche, touche, You have a point, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So meanwhile, Budapest authorities were seeking information on the disappearance
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  Speaker 2: of two widows who had not been in touch with
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  Speaker 2: their friends or family for several weeks. Both women were
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  Speaker 2: lasting with a man named Hoffman near the Margarette Bridge
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  Speaker 2: in Budapest, but he had also disappeared. Authorities in Sincada
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  Speaker 2: were aware of the ongoing investigation, but had no reason
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  Speaker 2: to link the name Hoffman to Bella. Kiss.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I can't see why they would have any reason exactly,
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  Speaker 3: unless they had some sort of record or someone new.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean probably not so.
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  Speaker 2: On July twenty eighth, nineteen fourteen, Austria Hungarya Hungary Sorry
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  Speaker 2: declared war on Serbia, so Bella would be one of
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  Speaker 2: many who had to be in the military to fight
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  Speaker 2: World War One shitty. Yes, So for those who went
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  Speaker 2: off into the battlefields and trenches of war, it meant
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  Speaker 2: having to face the certain horrors and brutality that are
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  Speaker 2: commonplace in warfare. For Bella, he went into war having
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  Speaker 2: already committed dark and disturbing acts. Unlike some of the
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  Speaker 2: soldiers that stood beside him, he had already had experience killing.
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  Speaker 3: And he was probably looking forward to it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Some I was going to say, some argue that
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  Speaker 2: going to war gave Bella an outlet for his violent tendencies,
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  Speaker 2: which is kind of disturbing.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Hey, that's really fucking disturbing. Yeah, I mean, like war
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: is not a cool place, like war is hell, right,
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: and he's going in there probably just like looking forward
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: to it, being like fuck. Yeah.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Well the only good thing about that is because I
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: can only imagine for most the majority of people in there,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: it just destroyed them having to do that, right, and
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: him it didn't. So is that a positive? No, that's
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: just just a ton of negative. So I was trying
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: to make something positive and it just didn't work. Okay.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: So before leaving to join the military, Bella entrusted his
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: rented house to his loyal housekeeper miss or to the
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: housekeeper who would keep a faithful watch over his house
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: for the next two years.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Oh wow.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So in July nineteen sixteen, two years after Bella
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: had gone off to war, rumors started to circulate that
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: he had died in combat at the Eastern Front, or
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: that he may have been captured by the Russians after
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: his unit endured heavy casualties. So, following this news, Bella's
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: landlord wasted absolutely no time and he went to the
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: house Bella was renting to make preparations to rent it
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: out to another tendant. Gotcha, let's move on here.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: He first needed to deal with all the barrels, however,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: which were in the yard. As he was investigating, he
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: cracked one open and recoiled at the smell of death
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: coming from inside.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Awesome, I knew that was coming.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Alarmed as fuck, he quickly ran out to notify the authorities.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: The police chief had already remembered the stockpile of gasoline
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: and was interested in acquiring it for the Hungarian war effort.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: But when they arrived, they were met with protests from
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Bella's housekeeper, urging them to keep the barrels shut.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Oh did she know.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: We'll get into that?
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: But apparently not, then why would she hurge? Okay, we'll
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: get into that, soud so.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: But they continued, and they were literally in for a
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: shock of a lifetime. Once they opened the metal drums,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: they were horrified by the site and the stench of decomposition.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Instead of finding gasoline as they expected, they discovered the
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: submerged naked body of a brown haired woman with the
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: rope that strangled her still around her neck.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Oh shit, really, yeah, the rope's still there. Wow. Okay,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: that's interesting.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: So as the police began to open the other six barrels,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: they realized that all of them contained similar gruesome contents,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: slightly decomposed naked corpses of strangled woman submerged in a
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: brine of methanol. So, after continuing their search of the property,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: police would discover additional barrels and corpses.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Awesome.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I can't remember if I say it, but
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: like he was, yeah, I do say it here Later
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: he was like, pretty much, these bodies as almost like trophies.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: And I think a lot of the articles and stuff
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I wrote they referred to as pickling, which I was like, oh,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I love that definite description, but
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: it it makes sense. So's pickle, We'll move on your
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: face is just like I'm never even know the pickle.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Well, if I'm being honest, some people will know what
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about. But my mind immediately went to pickle Rick.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, so I was like a pickle rick. Anyways,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: So two of the bodies belonged to none other than
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: his wife and her lover. Yeah. Also found were the
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: bodies of the two women that Budapest authorities had been
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: searching for.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: So that's up to four now.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: So, like I said, all the corpses had been relatively
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: well preserved, as if Bella wanted to keep the bodies
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: of his victims like trophies. It's not exactly known how
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: many barrels there were, but there were at yeast at
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: least twenty four young women.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Oh shit, yeah, whoa. This guy is fucking.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Brutal, not insane, and like this, all of these barrels
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: are just like literally there like in view of everybody.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Wow, that is.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Like, would your mind go there if you saw some
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: person that just kept accumulating barrels in their yard? Would
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: your mind be suspicious of that maybe not back then, I.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Would say nowadays after putting out over one hundred episodes
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: of true crime, immediately, yes, that would be the first
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: place my mind.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Goes, yeah, yes, but back then probably not so much.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Eh No, back then, no.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I just think something like that would almost be like unfathomable.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much right.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: So, so Bella's odd method here we go of pickling
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: his victims wasn't the only strange Thinge discovered. Police would
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: find puncture wounds on the necks of some of his
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: victims with their bodies completely drained of blood.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Holy fuck, here we go with the vampiric stuff. Hey
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: yeah wow.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: So autopsy's would reveal that he would drain them of
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: their blood before burial, though blood was never found, so
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: the discovery would lead to swirling rumors in Budapest that
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: he had drank the blood, earning him the nicknames of like,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: for example, Hungarian vampire.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: So there's no proof that he drank the blood.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: There's no proof whatsoever. But it's just that these bodies
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: were drained and there's like no jars or nothing of
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: blood found. I guess, so they're just like, we must drank.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: It, and the puncture wounds on the neck though, Yeah,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: the puncture wounds is oddly specific.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't think he was like draining them
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: this freaking vampire mouth.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Well no, I don't know it, but my thought is
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: if he was just some horrific murderer draining, he's probably
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: not going to be doing puncture wounds on the neck.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: That's an oddly specific thing for someone just to be
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: killing and draining blood. Yeah, well, it's probably going to
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: be like a throat being cut or disembowelment to drain
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: blood in different ways that way.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll kind of get into it a little bit
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: shortly here about like some of his interests, right, Okay,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: So the housekeeper was immediately arrested basically as unaccomplished in
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: these murders, police believing her initial protests to be extremely
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: suspicious giving the findings, right, don't I know, that's really odd.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: She pleaded she had no knowledge of the bodies or
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: their identities. While being questioned, she told investigators there was
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: a room in the house that Bella had kept off
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: limits to everyone, including herself, So she was being like
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: cove cooperative, cooperative, if I could speak, so, not having
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: a key, though the police had to break down the door,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: and what they found behind this door looked to be
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: like a study with an assortment of novels about murder,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: strangulation methods, and poison. The room also contained a desk
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: where letters and documents going back a decade, including correspondence
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: with dozens of women under the name Hoffmann. So the
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: document suggested that Bella may have been murdering women since
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: nineteen oh three, which was eight years before he had
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: married Marie. He received one hundred and seventy four proposals
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: of marriage through his personal ads and accepted them from
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: at least seventy four women. Holy shit, yeah.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Wow, this guy's fucked up. Sorry, this case is fascinating
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: to me.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: It's unbelievable, Like it's just just like all over the place.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: So twenty two of those women, though, were found dead.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Jeez.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it seems that Bella treated the act of
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: murder as if it were an academic subject. Bella was
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: not disorganized when it came to his kills. He chose
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: his victims carefully and the methods he used to kill
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: them even more carefully. These findings would cause speculation that
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: his methods were inspired by the books and stories he
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: would often read. So the Dracula novel was published in
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: eighteen ninety seven, when Bella was twenty years old.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: I was just reaching for my phone to see where
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: that was published, So thank you for that.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: So in the novel, count Dracula seduces women before drinking
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: their blood and killing them, giving the striking similarities. Police
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: believe it's possible that Bella was inspired by the story
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: and may have been practicing vampirism alongside other occult practices.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Wow. Now I got to say, there's no way he
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: was drinking all the blood. He would have had to
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: have disposed of it somewhere, because that is a shit
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: ton of blood.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I think he would be able to dispose
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: of it. Oh yeah, I mean, I bet you anything.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: He tasted it though.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Oh I'm thinking he was definitely drinking blood. But there's
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: no way he drank it all away, And that's why
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: they can't find it. That's just too much fucking bloody.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Never in a there's like gallons of blood and a
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: single human being.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: I know. And the thing is it wouldn't last long.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: But he's not killing people every day, so he could
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: have like frozen.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Maybe and then frozen.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Did they have freezer stuff back then? Probably not?
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: No, not really they never mind.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, like, all right, just freeze it, like yeah,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: and then I'll have this. I'll like split this up
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: and I'll have this next week and this the week after.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna warm myself up a bag of blood.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, blooh, would you.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Like some blood tea? I'ma throw in the kettle.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know why I started talking with an unknown accent,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: but I did.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Why not? So? Also found was a photo album full
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: of pictures of his victims, as well as evidence that
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: some of the women were in the process of actually
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: suing Bella for defrauding them out of money on the
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: promise of marriage. Huh so, especially the ones that were
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: probably like about to sue. He was gonna just get
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: rid of.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Just lynching right then and there.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: The housekeeper was later cleared of being an accomplice.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: She had to be involved in some manner.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: She had to have known, like she was living in
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: the house.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're telling me that he's probably dismembering. She wouldn't
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: see anything about blood, dirty clothes. Maybe hear screams or
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: sees women come in and not leave.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Well, she would see them, but yeah, like they were
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: just never there long. But then what they just disappeared,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Like I don't know, you have to start a questioning something.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: But maybe she was just like thank to have had
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: a job and a place to live and stuff and
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: just like turn the blind eye.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Right, I'm picturing that uh that housekeeper off off family
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: guy where she just like doesn't even speak English. She's
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: like no, no, just like ignores everything, like you know, yeah.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I meanwhile, he's like murdering someone and she's just continuing
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: to do the laundry.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's interesting. I feel like she had
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: to have some suspicion.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: I think so too, especially when she's like, yeah, don't
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: open those fucking barrels.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but maybe she was just because she was supposed
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: to be I'm playing Devil's Out and get so much here,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: but she was supposed to be watching Bella's house and
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: so yeah, but the police show up, like, don't wreck anything.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: The police show up, and like we got to investigate. Shit,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: we got to take a look at what's inside those barrels.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Don't open those ye, don't don't look in there, don't
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: don't fucking do it. You don't want to do that, oh.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Man, Okay. Detectives launched an investigation, sifting through military records
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: in search of Bella. Right, so, on October fourth, nineteen sixteen,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: there was word that a soldier named Bellachis died of
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: typhoid in nineteen fifteen, but then followed by another message
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: saying that Bella was alive and a patient of a
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Serbian hospital. So investigators immediately took off boarding a train,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: but when they got there, Bella had fled instead left
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: the corpse of another soldier in his bed.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Oh shit, he's trying to hide it.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It speculated that Bella faked his death by exchanging
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: identities with a dead soldier. During the war, no one
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: knew for sure whether Bella was still alive or dead,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: but investigators felt in their guts that he managed to escape.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Over the years, there have been various reports from people
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: claiming to have seen bellakiss and after the war, a
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: soldier told the story I'm talking too fast here. A
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: soldier told the story of another soldier who went by
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: the name Hoffmann, which was Bella's alias, that he would
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: allegedly brag about his skills in strangulation. The last report
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: reported sighting of Bella came in nineteen thirty two, when
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: a homicide detective swore that he saw man resembling Bella
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: exiting the New York City subway at Times Square, but
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: the crowds of New York City made it impossible for
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: this detective to reach the suspect. There were also rumors
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: that he was living in New York City and working
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: as a janitor, but when the police followed the lead
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: and went to interview the janitor, he had already left.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Oh shit, see that there?
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: That?
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Oh he's gone now is It tells a lot?
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: So Bellakis was never apprehended, and what became of him,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: along with the true number of total victims, remains a mystery.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Holy shit.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah wow, isn't that insane?
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: See the biggest thing that gets me is how he
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: kept ahead of authorities for so long?
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: I know, like, how how would he have known that
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: they were coming to check on him as a janitor?
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's good.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know, that's good.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Fuck.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's the story of Bella kiss the Hungarian Vampire.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: So what do you think? Do you think that he
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: did make it to New York. Do you think he
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: did survive the war? Do you think he was evading
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: these officers? Where does your gut say, because I mean,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: you're the one researching that to tell.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Me, I know, I don't know. Our brain lots of
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: times likes to just take the easy route, right, So
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I do sort of feel like he died. But then
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: he did seem very smart, right.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well you said he was very intellectual.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: So the fact that he I could see him honestly
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: just for trading pace places kind of like with this
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: dead soldier and yeah, live in his life after.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: And I'm sure something like that of like twenty plus
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: bodies being found in a fucking barrel and then police
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: on the man hunt for a dude named Bella Kiss
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: would make headlines.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you think he knew that they that they
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: had Yeah, I think discovered this grewsome scene.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: I think he was aware that they discovered it, and
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: he's like, I can't go back. I got to figure
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: out how to evact this whole situation. Cover my trail.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: They're going to be looking for me. What can I do?
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah? But how would he have gotten to New York?
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it probably would have been very easy.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: It would be harder nowadays. Yeah, to kind of just
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: like hide yourself like he did. But I don't know. Yeah,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: the fact that he was seen by someone there and
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: then also like had a job of sorts. So I
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: don't know, but you think that even after he died
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: or something, that he would turned up. But if he
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: had a different name, if he was one under another name,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's crazy. It's unbelievable that he got
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: away with this. Yeah, unbelievable.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: That's a big body count.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: I kind of hope that he just like I don't
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: You don't want to hope that he passed away and
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: in the war, but like you don't want him to
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: You don't want to think that he just lived a
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: life after this with no consequences, right, Yeah.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: See, My theory is that he did survive the war.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: He did hear about the authorities looking for him and
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: trying to chase him down, the whole incident of them
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: discovering the scene. But I'm not sold that he was
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: the one in New York. No, I think it's just
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: a case of mistaken identity, Like, oh, that dude looks
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: like Bella Kiss because this is like twenty years later,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: even right in a whole different asque country. So it's like, oh,
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: that guy's got a ponytail, so does Bella Kiss. It
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: must be the same man, like you know what I mean.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, it's like, oh, I
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: saw that janitor who you think is Bella Kiss working
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: over at this building. You should go and check it out.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: And they go there and it's like, no, that's just
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: a janitor with a ponytail. Where's Bella Kiss. He's not here.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: He must have slipped our grasp.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, he did it once again.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when I think it's just like, no, it was
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: just never him the entire time. I think he did
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: slip the war and they just never picked up the trail.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Have you heard of this case?
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: No? I didn't, not till you brought it up.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy one. Yeah, well, does seem like one
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: that you would do.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: I do like those those weird ones, especially once you're
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: getting back into like the the eighteen hundreds and early
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: nineteen hundreds. Yeah, because it's such a different dynamic back
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: in those days.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't often choose those ones just because
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I do. Someone saying it hard to sift through things,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: different reported stuff, but this one seemed like it was okay.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: So yeah, and you do like cannibals though, and he
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: drank blood, so just.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Saying that, Oh my gosh. Yeah, you know, I'm just
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: going to stick to that. Any chance, I'm gonna just
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: do like a month of just like cannibal cases.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure you've only covered cannibal cases so far.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Ever, Yeah, in all one hundred episodes, it's literally all
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: I've done.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Have I covered any cannibal cases you did?
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  Speaker 2: Because I was like, oh, what the fuck I should
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  Speaker 2: be doing this one? It was recently.
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  Speaker 3: I know, cases blend together for us a lot, especially
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  Speaker 3: right now with Halloween Week.
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  Speaker 2: We've said that before we present, and then it's like
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: next week, Oh what did we do last week? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Who's Bella?
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  Speaker 3: Pretty much as soon as you jog our memories, oh,
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  Speaker 3: the information comes flooding back, it does. Yeah, well, well done.
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  Speaker 3: That was good job. If you want to check out
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  Speaker 3: more episodes, we got the whole Halloween week happening seven
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  Speaker 3: straight days. We're on day five right now. Day three
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  Speaker 3: are day three, so we have five more to come. Wait, right,
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: four more? There we go, including today.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Can you tell her like our retire day.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, clearly so. Yeah, you can check those out. We
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  Speaker 3: have Patreon where we put up exclusive content. We've got Facebook,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: we've got Instagram, we've got the website, we've got the YouTube's.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: All those links are in the description for this podcast.
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  Speaker 3: You can go check them out. If you just want
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: to stick around, listen to more podcasts and not go
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: to any of those links, that's completely cool too.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because we'll be back tomorrow, my friends.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: We will.
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  Speaker 2: Until then, stay wicked.