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The Late Debate | 19 October · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome.
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  Speaker 2: To The Late Debate.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us on The Late Debate.
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  Speaker 4: I'm James McPherson, back with the old gang, Caleb Bond
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  Speaker 4: and Danica DiGiorgio.
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  Speaker 3: Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 4: One nation leader, Pauline Hanson, warns that riots spreading across.
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  Speaker 3: Europe could spread to Australia.
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  Speaker 4: A new study shows more Australians are choosing to leave
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  Speaker 4: capital cities and live in regional areas because of housing affordability.
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  Speaker 4: And former Liberal leader Susan Lee pens a column for
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  Speaker 4: the Sydney Morning Herald complaining she was completely misunderstood when she.
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  Speaker 3: Led the coalition. We'll get to all of that shortly.
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  Speaker 4: But first, Australia is waiting for news tonight on the
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  Speaker 4: condition of Victorian MP Helen Haynes, who remains in a
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  Speaker 4: critical condition after being struck by a car outside her
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  Speaker 4: electorate office earlier this afternoon. It's been reported she was
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  Speaker 4: hit multiple times by a four-wheel drive and sustained serious
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  Speaker 4: injuries to the lower part of her body. Here's the
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  Speaker 4: Prime Minister on the ABC earlier this evening.
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  Speaker 5: It wasn't an accident.
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  Speaker 1: There was a deliberate act, it would appear.
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  Speaker 3: We don't know what motivation is.
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  Speaker 4: Police have a suspect in custody, but as you heard there,
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  Speaker 4: there's no news on what the motivation for the attack
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  Speaker 4: might have been. Anthony Albanese held a short press conference
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  Speaker 4: with Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke earlier this afternoon. at
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  Speaker 4: which they said there'd been more than a thousand serious
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  Speaker 4: threats made against politicians over the past financial year. And
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  Speaker 4: the Prime Minister stressed the need for people to moderate
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  Speaker 4: their language when discussing politics.
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  Speaker 3: A range of comments that I have made.
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  Speaker 4: Go look up the interviews in which I've done and
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  Speaker 4: call for the temperature to be turned down when it
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  Speaker 4: comes to political discourse. Obviously, there's a lot to talk
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  Speaker 4: about from the events of this afternoon. But most importantly, Danika,
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  Speaker 4: we all wish Helen Haynes a very quick recovery.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 7: And you can't imagine what her family would be going
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  Speaker 7: through this evening. And I know that they have released
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  Speaker 7: a statement. And right now, still as we go to air,
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  Speaker 7: her condition is being listed as critical. And I'm sure
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  Speaker 7: it's come as a real shock to the political world.
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  Speaker 7: It's just it's terrible. But tonight has really changed the
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  Speaker 7: political landscape. We don't know a lot yet about what
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  Speaker 7: has happened. As you mentioned, James, at this stage, Anthony
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  Speaker 7: Albanese has said it is believed that this was a
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  Speaker 7: deliberate attack.
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  Speaker 6: The motive remains unknown.
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  Speaker 7: But in the end, if this has been motivated by politics,
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  Speaker 7: it's very scary because we have seen this play out overseas.
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  Speaker 7: We've seen it in the United States on the multiple
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  Speaker 7: threats to Donald Trump's life. We've seen it played out
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  Speaker 7: in other countries and now it is in our very
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  Speaker 7: own backyard. And the message that we know from overseas
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  Speaker 7: is you do not take your.
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  Speaker 6: Anger out with violence. You don't use violence as a weapon.
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  Speaker 7: If you are angry about the political discourse, if you
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  Speaker 7: are angry about the way that politics is being played out,
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  Speaker 7: that is why we are lucky to live in a
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  Speaker 7: Western liberal democracy where we.
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  Speaker 6: Have a voting system.
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  Speaker 7: So should you choose violence? To have that frustration, take
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  Speaker 7: it out at the ballot box. Do not take it
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  Speaker 7: out on an individual. There's no doubt that tonight there
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  Speaker 7: will be politicians across the country quickly reviewing their security arrangements.
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  Speaker 7: But we live in precarious times. The temperature in this country,
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  Speaker 7: you know, I do agree with the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 6: It has risen. And our social fibres have been buckling
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  Speaker 6: for a while. We know that.
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  Speaker 7: We talk about this on this network multiple times. So
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  Speaker 7: the temperature has risen. We live in precarious times. And
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  Speaker 7: our thoughts are with Helen Haynes and her family.
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  Speaker 1: And unusual in the circumstance that, you know, you kind
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  Speaker 1: of typically think that a political leader, as in a
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  Speaker 1: leader of a party, is someone who might be targeted.
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  Speaker 1: And I know that in recent months security has really
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  Speaker 1: been stepped up for Pauline Hanson. in a way that
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  Speaker 1: it hasn't been previously. But for, you know, a local MP,
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  Speaker 1: an independent MP, in a regional town, to be, as
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  Speaker 1: the Prime Minister puts it, you know, caught up in
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  Speaker 1: what appears to be a deliberate act, is all the
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  Speaker 1: more shocking, because you kind of don't expect it to
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  Speaker 1: happen to a backbench MP, right? You expect if someone's
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  Speaker 1: going to attack someone, it would be someone of... you know,
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  Speaker 1: huge consequence or profile or whatever. So, again, we don't
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  Speaker 1: know what the motivation is. But if you can't be
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  Speaker 1: safe as a politician in your own community, standing out
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  Speaker 1: the front of your own electorate office, which is obviously
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  Speaker 1: somewhere that Ms Haynes, as many other politicians do, interacts
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  Speaker 1: with members of the community many days of the week.
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  Speaker 1: It's a place where people come to have meetings and
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  Speaker 1: to complain about various things or to seek help about
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  Speaker 1: issues in their community. It's somewhere that a politician should
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  Speaker 1: be safe and available to the community. And this is
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  Speaker 1: the situation in which, out the front, standing at her boot,
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  Speaker 1: it's believed she was taking something out of the back
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  Speaker 1: of her car, that she has seemingly been mown down
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  Speaker 1: in a deliberate attack. We like to think in Australia
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  Speaker 1: that we're at you know, happy-go-lucky sort of bunch and
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  Speaker 1: that we're quite safe and laid back and whatever, and
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  Speaker 1: that a politician, well, they absolutely ought to and should
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  Speaker 1: be able to get around in the community without need
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  Speaker 1: of security or fear for their safety. But you couldn't
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  Speaker 1: blame anyone after tonight worrying, including people outside of politics
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  Speaker 1: but politics adjacent who are in public life, thinking, heck,
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  Speaker 1: you know... Is there a problem here? Should I fear
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  Speaker 1: for my own safety? Now, nine times out of 10,
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  Speaker 1: that will probably be an irrational thought. But there's that one.
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  Speaker 1: And unfortunately, that would appear to be what we are
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  Speaker 1: seeing today. And the fact that as a country, that's
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  Speaker 1: something that we now have to confront, which is something
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  Speaker 1: that very rarely we've ever had to confront. just makes
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  Speaker 1: it so much worse.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, you talk about the changing atmosphere in
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  Speaker 4: our country and that this is new territory for us,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm not suggesting the two events are in any
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  Speaker 4: way linked, but it's only December last year that we
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  Speaker 4: had the Bondi terror attack, which shocked all of us
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  Speaker 4: because we didn't imagine that would happen in Australia. Like
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  Speaker 4: I said, we've got no idea what happened in Victoria
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  Speaker 4: and what the motivation was, but it's another shock to
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  Speaker 4: the system because you add those two events together in
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  Speaker 4: a relatively.
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  Speaker 3: Short period of time.
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  Speaker 4: And to your point, Caleb, people start, not only the
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  Speaker 4: political class, but Australians generally start to think this is
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  Speaker 4: not the country that I always thought it was, where
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  Speaker 4: we can relax, we turn on the news and look
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  Speaker 4: at stuff happening overseas, and that's over there and a
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  Speaker 4: long way from us and not at all part of
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  Speaker 4: our experience. Not sure we can say that anymore.
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  Speaker 7: Well, it has always been our experience where we have
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  Speaker 7: been one step removed from everything that's going on in
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  Speaker 7: the rest of the world.
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  Speaker 6: And you're right, we only just saw it.
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  Speaker 7: And again, it's not linked, but Bondi, we never thought
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  Speaker 7: something like that could happen in our own backyard. Today,
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  Speaker 7: we never thought that an MP would, that this could
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  Speaker 7: happen to a politician in this country. And it is
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  Speaker 7: a frightening state of affairs that we are now exactly
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  Speaker 7: at the state that the rest of the world is in.
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  Speaker 6: Australia is no longer immune from this.
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  Speaker 7: I also wonder, and perhaps this is a question for you, Caleb,
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  Speaker 7: what this means moving forward now for the Victorian election. Because,
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  Speaker 7: of course, they're in the middle of campaign season. It's
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  Speaker 7: only weeks away now. What do you think that they
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  Speaker 7: will do with the campaign? Do they pause it momentarily
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  Speaker 7: or do they just keep going?
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  Speaker 1: You can't pause the campaign. The fact is that the
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  Speaker 1: ritz will be issued at the end of the month
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  Speaker 1: and the election will be on. So you can't pause
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  Speaker 1: the campaign. it will be pause for thought, I suspect,
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  Speaker 1: for a lot of people about how they campaign from here,
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  Speaker 1: particularly in Victoria, given that's where it's happened, and in
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  Speaker 1: regional Victoria around Wangaratta. I mean, you can imagine people
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  Speaker 1: will be tomorrow involved in the election campaign thinking twice
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  Speaker 1: about whether they go out or not. And that's not
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  Speaker 1: to suggest that, you know, there are other people on
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  Speaker 1: the loose who may commit an attack, but, you know,
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  Speaker 1: copycats happen and things like that. And so you can
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  Speaker 1: imagine people would be concerned. And I'd hate to think
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  Speaker 1: that we would come to a point as a country
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  Speaker 1: where we do have to think about those things all
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  Speaker 1: the time because, you know, it is a point of pride,
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  Speaker 1: I think, for Australians that politicians are generally... You know,
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  Speaker 1: you can go to the school fete or, you know,
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  Speaker 1: some school event or a community event or whatever, and
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  Speaker 1: your local MP will be there, and it's pretty easy
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  Speaker 1: to go up and shake their hand and say hello
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  Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff. That's just the way
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  Speaker 1: we roll as a country. I mean, I remember a
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  Speaker 1: few years ago, or more than a few years ago now,
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  Speaker 1: when the Libs were in charge in South Australia, which
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  Speaker 1: is not very often that happens, but between 2018 and 2022,
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  Speaker 1: and the Treasurer, Rob Lucas... made a point of the
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  Speaker 1: fact that unlike some other former treasurers, he wouldn't take
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  Speaker 1: his state funded car from the Treasury building to Parliament House.
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  Speaker 1: He would walk down to Parliament House through the city.
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  Speaker 1: And it was almost a quaint idea that the state
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  Speaker 1: treasurer would, you know, just be walking through the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the CBD from one office to another. But that
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  Speaker 1: was something that he felt quite safe in doing. And
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  Speaker 1: so to think that we might get to a point
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  Speaker 1: where politicians would not feel safe to get around in
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  Speaker 1: the community is something that saddens me deeply. Because we
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  Speaker 1: would lose something as a country if we couldn't do that.
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  Speaker 4: But the other thing I haven't heard anyone mention today,
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  Speaker 4: but it surprised me. when I first heard something had happened,
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  Speaker 4: I immediately assumed it was in Melbourne, not in a
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  Speaker 4: regional sort of country area, Wangaratta, right? You don't typically
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  Speaker 4: tend to think of anything like this happening in a
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  Speaker 4: regional area. City of Melbourne, you would have said, OK,
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  Speaker 4: here we go. But in a regional area, that's a
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  Speaker 4: bit of a shock. As we said, our heart goes
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  Speaker 4: out to Helen Haynes and to her family, and we'll
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  Speaker 4: be trusting tomorrow will bring better news for her. Speaking
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  Speaker 4: about things going on overseas, because typically... We have a
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  Speaker 4: pretty peaceful country while turmoil is over there. Pauline Hanson
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  Speaker 4: has weighed in on the riots in France, where 1,000
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  Speaker 4: police have been injured and almost 2,500 people arrested over
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  Speaker 4: the last couple of weeks. But Pauline Hanson has warned
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  Speaker 4: that the riots in European cities could spread to Australia.
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  Speaker 4: She specifically said, posting on X, Australia can't afford to
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  Speaker 4: repeat the mistake of mass migration, which is tearing apart Europe.
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  Speaker 4: Countries like France, Germany, Belgium and the UK are all
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  Speaker 4: suffering because of mass migration. Unless Australia stops importing people
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  Speaker 4: who reject our democracy, our way of life and the
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  Speaker 4: values of Western civilisation, these riots will eventually be coming
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  Speaker 4: to Australian cities. So that's Pauline Hanson on Twitter. Here's
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  Speaker 4: Barnaby Joyce talking earlier today.
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  Speaker 5: What's happening in France is a clarion call for Australia
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  Speaker 5: to have social harmony and a clarion call that you
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  Speaker 5: cannot have social experimentation with your culture.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't work.
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  Speaker 3: Now, obviously, we're not France.
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  Speaker 4: We're certainly not Europe either, and they have their own
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  Speaker 4: unique circumstances.
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  Speaker 3: But, Danika, looking at what's happening in France... Oh.
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  Speaker 4: Have you seen anything over there that makes you think,
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  Speaker 4: perhaps we could learn a few lessons here?
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  Speaker 6: Of course.
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  Speaker 7: And it's not just happening in France. You've seen the
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  Speaker 7: protests that are playing out as well in Italy. They've
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  Speaker 7: spread to other parts as well. And right now, everything
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  Speaker 7: that Western liberal democracies have fought for are being torn
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  Speaker 7: down in real time. France is literally on fire. And,
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  Speaker 7: you know, what started out as what was meant to
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  Speaker 7: be student protests and protests about the cost of living...
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  Speaker 7: has suddenly turned into this cesspit whereby, you know, we've
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  Speaker 7: got the Palestinian flag being flown. You've got all these
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  Speaker 7: bandits with their masks on.
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  Speaker 6: You've got looting. You've got rioting in the streets.
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  Speaker 7: And here we have a prime example of what happens
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  Speaker 7: when borders are open and we entertain this mass migration
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  Speaker 7: multiculturalism experiment.
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  Speaker 6: Now, we are not there yet.
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  Speaker 7: But we have certainly let in people into this country,
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  Speaker 7: some who do hate this country. And I notice that
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  Speaker 7: the Prime Minister of France, Sébastien Le Cornu, he put
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  Speaker 7: out a statement. He said, it's time to choose your side,
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  Speaker 7: either that of the Republic.
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  Speaker 6: Or that of the rioters.
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  Speaker 7: I have a few issues with that exact question, because
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  Speaker 7: that question is the problem in itself. Because how many
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  Speaker 7: of those rioters would indeed choose France, would choose to
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  Speaker 7: fight for.
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  Speaker 6: France, I would say none of them.
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  Speaker 7: And that is the exact problem and what it's taken
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  Speaker 7: the country to self-implode for them to put out a
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  Speaker 7: question like that, to ask people, are you on our
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  Speaker 7: side or are you not? So I do think that
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  Speaker 7: Pauline Hanson is right to issue that warning because it
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  Speaker 7: is playing out in front of our eyes and I
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  Speaker 7: think we should be concerned.
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  Speaker 1: The reality is France has this sort of laissez-faire attitude
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  Speaker 1: to riots and I I don't think we ever really
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  Speaker 1: see anything of that nature, quite like that nature in
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  Speaker 1: this country. We just don't seem to have that spirit
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  Speaker 1: in us. But the lesson to be learnt is that
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  Speaker 1: when things start out as small problems, as this originally did, right,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it was students, again, in a way that
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  Speaker 1: would probably not really ever happen here, students en masse
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  Speaker 1: walking out to protest against the state of the education
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  Speaker 1: system in France... And that then very quickly grew into
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  Speaker 1: something much, much larger than that and has been going
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  Speaker 1: on now for weeks, has been co-opted by many other groups.
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  Speaker 1: As you say, Danika, Palestinian flags are appearing frequently in
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  Speaker 1: these riots. Now Algerian flags are appearing frequently in these riots.
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  Speaker 1: It has been pointed out, not unfairly, that France has
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  Speaker 1: one of the highest Muslim population's in Europe, and so
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  Speaker 1: you can draw the connection between the Palestinian flag, et cetera,
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  Speaker 1: once you let one small thing get carried away too much,
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  Speaker 1: everything else starts to get involved. Because when you have
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  Speaker 1: small fractures, they very quickly become big fractures. And that's
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  Speaker 1: the problem when you have issues of social cohesion or
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  Speaker 1: a lack of social cohesion, social disharmony, Once one of
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  Speaker 1: those things starts to burst open, all the others come
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  Speaker 1: along with it. And that's when you really run into
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  Speaker 1: big problems. If you haven't got the thing sewn up properly,
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  Speaker 1: that's when it gets out of control. And that's exactly
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  Speaker 1: what's happened in France.
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  Speaker 4: And that's a lesson that we should have learned here
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  Speaker 4: and one that I think we've failed to learn. To
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  Speaker 4: paraphrase what I think you just said, things start out small.
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  Speaker 4: And I think too often our political class say it's
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  Speaker 4: only small, so we don't need to deal with it.
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  Speaker 4: But then it becomes so large... They fear to deal
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  Speaker 4: with it. And so the mistake we're making, I think,
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  Speaker 4: is in terms of open borders, in terms of multiculturalism
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  Speaker 4: seen as an unquestionable good, in terms of our education
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  Speaker 4: system where we're teaching our children to despise their own
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  Speaker 4: inheritance and so on and so forth. A lot of
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  Speaker 4: the ingredients that we're seeing in Europe, they're all being
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  Speaker 4: stirred in the Australian pot as well.
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  Speaker 5: Totally.
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  Speaker 4: And I just wonder if our political class really understand
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  Speaker 4: what is being fermented here.
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  Speaker 3: And we might avoid it. Nothing is inevitable.
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  Speaker 4: But you look at where that is and you look
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  Speaker 4: at the direction we're going, it's pretty hard not to
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  Speaker 4: think We could end up there if we're not careful.
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  Speaker 7: Western leaders have tiptoed around this for far too long.
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  Speaker 6: This is a problem.
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  Speaker 7: Over the last couple of weeks, I've been overseas and
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  Speaker 7: I have been in London. And if you want an
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  Speaker 7: example of the mass multiculturalism experiment.
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  Speaker 6: Go to London.
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  Speaker 7: And what I noticed over there was this, I guess,
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  Speaker 7: a tolerance, for lack of a better word, of radical Islam.
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  Speaker 6: You go to any public place, any big space... Bollards everywhere.
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  Speaker 7: I call them the diversity bollards because it's just easier,
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  Speaker 7: isn't it, to put up bollards instead of actually addressing
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  Speaker 7: the real cause in case somebody grabs a car and
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  Speaker 7: wants to ram it into crowds. Every time you go
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  Speaker 7: onto the tube, a message is played over the loudspeaker system.
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  Speaker 6: If you see something, hear something, say something. Every single time.
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  Speaker 7: Now, when I get on public transport in Australia, I
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  Speaker 7: never hear that message being sent. But over in London,
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  Speaker 7: it's everywhere. So it's basically up to you at home.
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  Speaker 7: It's up to you members of the public to report it,
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  Speaker 7: to see something, because our leaders are way too scared
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  Speaker 7: to touch it.
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  Speaker 6: We can't do that. Might be seen as a racist bigot.
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  Speaker 4: Just on that, you know, on the Sydney Metro, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if it's still there, but a couple of
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  Speaker 4: weeks ago they had signs, digital signs saying in the
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  Speaker 4: event of an attack, run, hide, Really?
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  Speaker 3: I forget there was one more. I forget the third one.
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  Speaker 4: So I guess I'm in trouble if there's an attack
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  Speaker 4: because after Hyde, I'm not sure what you're supposed to
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  Speaker 4: do after that.
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  Speaker 1: Not sure where you hide on the Metro because it's
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  Speaker 1: just one long big tube.
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  Speaker 3: Behind a bigger guy.
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  Speaker 4: But I was kind of surprised when I saw that
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: because I was not expecting to see it.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure, as I said, if those signs are
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: still there. But a few weeks ago.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: That was what you saw on the Metro here in Sydney.
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: To tolerate it, basically.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: It's unfortunate.
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: Well, it's like police announcing that they'll be walking around
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: Sydney with long arms now and we're just meant.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: To go, oh, that's good.
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: Oh, well, diversity is our strength.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: But why is that now necessary?
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: That's the better question.
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: Because diversity is our strength.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: And, you know, we have these same questions today in
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: the context of what we've seen this afternoon, right? Are
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: we seeing the face of our nation change in a
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: way that we really don't recognise today? or lack. Speaking
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: of change, where do you think, and I ask you both,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: where do you think is the fastest growing region in
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: the country? Have a guess. Just pick any old place.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Fastest growing region in the country.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Sunshine Coast.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: It is one of the places that a lot of
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: people are going to, but it's not actually the fastest growing. Danika?
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: I would have said somewhere in regional New South Wales.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Regional Victoria, the central gold fields.
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: Hey, there you go.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Is the fastest growing region.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: What about your hometown? Adelaide?
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: No, it's not.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: The fastest shrinking place in Australia.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: No, no, the fastest shrinking place in Australia. Well, actually,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: to be fair, it would be the fastest shrinking place
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: in Australia, if not for overseas migration, is Sydney. people
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: are leaving Sydney in great numbers. But I was thoroughly
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: surprised to read today that the central goldfields of Victoria
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: is the fastest-growing region in the country, and the Sunshine
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Coast is one of the most popular places now in
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: the country because of a mass exodus of people from
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: the capital cities heading for regional towns. This has come
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: out of the Commonwealth Bank and Regional Australia Institute's Regional
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Movers Index. We have just had... the equal highest June
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: quarter on record for people leaving capital cities to go
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: to regional and rural towns. And it's no surprise, I suppose, because,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: of course, buying in the capital cities is hideously expensive
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: for a lot of people. This report said 63% of
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: people say that it's getting harder for people to live
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: near their families. 49% say they can't afford to live
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: in their desired suburbs. 57% say housing pressures impact ability
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: to live in the capital cities and 35% say that
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the housing situation has impacted the ability to live close
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: to work. I've got to say, though, I don't think
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: it's necessarily a bad thing that people are moving out
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: of capital cities and looking elsewhere. One, we're a very
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: big country, vast. country. And for a very long time,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: we've been obsessed with shoehorning all of the population into
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: the same eight capital cities, basically. And the vast majority
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: of them in the capital cities on the eastern seaboard, Brisbane, Melbourne, Sydney, right?
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: We just keep doing this and then wondering why we
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: have pressures on services and infrastructure and housing prices are
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: going through the roof, etc. We have a massive country
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: and we use so little of the land that we
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: have available to us. But I've also thought myself, even
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: outside of the cost pressures, but the cost pressures would
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: make it very easy to make this decision, if I
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: didn't have to do this program, with three people sitting
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: on the same seat every night, which necessitates that we
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: all have to be in the same place. And I'm
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: not saying that I don't want to be here working
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: with you.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: You don't like us, Kayla.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: An uncomfortable moment.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: D'Amica and I are both sitting here looking at each
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: other thinking, what's he about to confess?
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: That's not what I'm saying. But I'm saying if I
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: weren't doing this program, I would genuinely consider moving somewhere
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: else a bit quieter.
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: What would you do?
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Well, like, well, we've got a studio in Adelaide and
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: we've got studios in Hobart and whatever. But, like, the
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: lifestyle that you can have... Now, having spent a bit
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: of time in Tassie last year, I was walking around
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Hobart thinking, this is somewhere I could live. You know,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: it's a nice human sized city. There's no massive high rises.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: It's big enough that there's stuff going on, but it's
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: small enough that it feels nice and comfortable, that you'd
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: be able to find a community pretty easily to be
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: involved in. There would just be a nice speed of
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: life at which to live, as opposed to the rat race,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: of course, that you have in Melbourne and Sydney. And
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: so I'm not surprised that people would go, actually, I
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: can go to you know, Wollongong or a Newcastle or
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: a Geelong or whatever, the central goldfields of Victoria... I
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: can get far more land. I can have a nice
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: big house. I have a nice community to bring my
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: kids up in. If I can get a job, it
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: sounds pretty appealing to me.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I absolutely agree with you.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: And having spent a number of years in Townsville, or
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: as the locals call it during summer, Brownsville, and I thought, gee,
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: North Queensland.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: But I just grew to love it. And I love Sydney.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: Sydney is a beautiful city. Can't afford anything, but it
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: is a beautiful city to watch.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: As you go bankrupt.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: However, there is something to be said for living in
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: a regional area.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: And I'm with you.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: And the beauty of much work these days, not everybody,
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: of course, but many people with the way work is
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: now have.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: The opportunity to do that.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: My bugbear is the fact that back a generation ago,
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: you'd think about moving to the regions as a lifestyle choice,
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: but more the case these days, people are moving to
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: the regions because they have no other choice if they
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: want to own a property.
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: But I think that's a real shame and I think
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: that's a blight on this country.
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't want to move to the regions just so
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: I could own my own home and I should never
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: or nobody should ever be put into that position where
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: they have to move a couple of hours out of
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: the capital city in order to buy your first property.
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: I just don't understand why we go, yep, it's easy,
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: just go and move to the regions if you want
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: to own a home. I think that's so unfair. I
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: think that's entirely unfair. Why don't we address the cause?
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: We've got a huge supply crisis in this country. Labor
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: hasn't achieved any of its housing goals set out in
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: its own housing accord. We're so short that it will
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: not achieve it by the end of this decade. It'll
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: achieve it well.
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: Into the 2030s.
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: Building approvals are at an all-time low. Address the cause.
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: Address the cause. Don't just say, go to the regions
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: if you want to be a homeowner.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Which is true to a degree, but there is also
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: an issue of planning issues in that we still, in
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the way we look at planning all the time, just
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: think about we have to expand the capital cities. Why
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: don't we go, we have a vast country, why can't
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: we use more of it? And actually treat the regions
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: as serious places... that ought to have serious growth and
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: become cities in their own right. And places that people
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: not just have to go and live in, but want
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: to live in.
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: I agree.
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: You've got Newcastle, for example, that is a hub where
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: people do live and work. But not everybody is going
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: to want to do that and the majority of people
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: will obviously live in a capital city. So I don't
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: think we can make it as attractive to live out
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: a couple of hours out of the city if you
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: are working in a CBD.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Here's an idea.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: People want to live in capital cities, right?
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Let's just make more capital cities. Bob Catter wants to
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: do that. Make North Queensland its own state. Make Townsville
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: the capital of North Queensland.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Go on.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: All of a sudden you've got another capital for people
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: to live in.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Do it.
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, is that going to work, do you think, realistically?
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: I do take your sentiment, though, before, Caleb, because I
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: do agree. When I do go back to Perth, I
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: really do appreciate the lifestyle of Perth that perhaps I
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: never appreciated when I was living there, the laid-back, easy...
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: People are really friendly in Perth.
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: I don't know what it is. People are so nice.
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: People actually let you in.
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: When you're, you know, merging on the freeway and you
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: thank them and they thank you.
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: It's so nice. What, in Perth?
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't let you in at all.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: No-one lets you in in Sydney.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. People are so nice.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: Oh, I flew to Western Australia during COVID and got
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: sent straight back.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: What was it? The G2G pass? Was that the one
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: you had?
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: Yes, that G2G pass. But State Daddy, Martin McGowan.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: State Daddy, the self-professed State Daddy.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: You know, I managed to get in and then they
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: locked me down the next day. There was, like, one
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: case of the woo-flu and then they bloody shut down
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: the whole state.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Well, I flew over there and got sent straight back.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, really? Really? They didn't even let you in? No.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Did you fill in your pass? I forget.
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: So you got to the airport and they said, see
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: you later?
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: You're kidding.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They knew it was James McPherson. Yeah, that's that
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: guy from New Zealand. We don't want a riffraff in here.
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: We don't want him on here.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Something about not supporting the West Coast Eagles or something.
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: Oh, that must have been what it is. That must
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: have been. All right, let's move on.
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: As we know, in recent years, Donald Trump has had
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: a very precarious relationship with the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky.
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: Precarious. Precarious? Maybe that's putting it mildly.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: That's an understatement.
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: That's an understatement.
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: They've had their tiffs, as we know, but over the
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: last few days, Donald Trump has taken to Truth Social
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: to say, quote, Zelensky doesn't care and, frankly, with all
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: the money that Europe is famously giving him, he doesn't
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: want to end this war and probably never did. I mean,
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: these two have just had a meeting for him to
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: come out and make such a statement.
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: I was quite surprised to hear it.
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: Marco Rubio has also addressed the ongoing situation in Ukraine,
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: which is now a protracted war.
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: It's been going on for years. This is what he said.
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: No one's winning that war. People are dying every day.
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: Things are being blown up every day. Things are being
• 26:30
  Speaker 8: destroyed every day. If you've listened to the president, he
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: repeatedly cites the 25,000 people a month dying in these wars,
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: the amount of destruction that's occurred, the amount of economic
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: damage that's occurring. So as you've seen, we have engaged
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: repeatedly over the last almost two years now to try
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: to bring about or facilitate an end to this war.
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: And I think the president is open to anything that
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: he can do to help bring a war.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: To an end.
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, Donald Trump did once famously say that
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: this war would never have started under his watch.
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: And two years later, this war.
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: Is still going and he hasn't been able to bring
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: anyone really to the table. Although he did have a
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: summit a couple of years ago and Volodymyr Zelensky was
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: not invited to that summit. And I think they're about
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: to have another one. But again, Ukraine is not invited
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: to the table. I guess it really begs the question then,
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: if the US is taking this course or this line,
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: where does this leave Australia? Because right now, Australia has
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: provided $ 1. 9 billion dollars of total support to Ukraine, including
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: 1.6 in military support.
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: At what point do we pull the pin or do
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: we rein it back?
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: I totally agree we have a duty to support our allies.
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: But at what point do we say this war is
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: not ending? It is the unwinnable war, as we've just
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: heard from Marco Rubio. Experts in the field have said
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: it's not going anywhere. The loss of life has been
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: incredibly significant. You've got Volodymyr Zelensky who apparently doesn't want
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: this to end. We have to start thinking about our
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: own backyard because how much of that money could be
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: put towards what we've been just talking about, the housing crisis,
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: the cost of living crisis, putting back more money into
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: your pocket at home to help you to get through
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: this period. Instead, we're sending it overseas to the tune
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: of $ 1. 9 billion and we have signed I think it's
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: about a 10-year contract as well to be able to
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: provide this aid. The second point I would make is
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: we need to also prioritise our.
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: Own defence capabilities.
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: We should be injecting money into our own facilities right now,
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: and yet we're selling defence bases left, right and centre
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: because Jim Chalmers has buggered up the budget and the books.
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: So we could probably do with some of that money.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: So the calculation, right, is whether the cost of ongoing
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: support for Ukraine is greater or smaller than the cost...
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: of the security risk if we allowed Russia to prevail.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's the simple equation, is it not? And
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: so I think there's a third way. Rather than we
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: continue to support or we withdraw all support, after five
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: years of a war that shows no sign that either
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: side can ultimately prevail, perhaps the West need to be
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: a little more pragmatic and say, all right, we will
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: continue to support but with stricter conditions in terms of
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: strategic outcomes. in terms of guidance for a negotiated settlement,
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: and also in terms of a greater and more equitable
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: share of the funding. For instance, I think the United
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: States has already provided about $ 200 billion towards Ukraine. Compare
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: that with all of Europe, which is $ 255 billion. So
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: you can understand why Donald Trump, and I mean, a
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: lot of people will knock Donald Trump for saying that, oh,
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: maybe we should not bother with this anymore. But when
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: you look at what America are doing compared to the
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: rest of the world, they are carrying a huge.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Weight with this.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: So maybe there's a space for not we continue unabated,
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: not we reject support, but perhaps we have a discussion
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: about we will continue to support, but it can't be
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: indefinite and it's got to be under certain criteria that we.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: All agree to see a resolution. Otherwise... then something dramatic
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: has to change.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. And in a global context,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: our contribution as Australia has been relatively small, really. And
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: there's other stuff that we probably could have done instead of,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: you know, burying choppers in the ground that we could
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: have sent over there for next to no cost. But anyway,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: that's something. And I think, I mean, what Ukraine has
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: done in this war is quite extraordinary, really. They have,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: for a country up against the might of Russia... been
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: able to fight with a great deal of agility and
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: the advancements that they've had in terms of fighting with drones,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I think has to some degree been worth the investment
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: because there are lessons that we will get out of
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: this that otherwise would not have come about. But we
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: also have to confront the reality that millions of young
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: men on both sides have been put through the woodchipper
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: of war and that there is no good in this
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: war continuing. So you can't just pull out your support
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: for Ukraine because that would then perhaps pave the way
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: for Russia to win. And that would be a bad
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: thing for the West. We don't want to set that precedent.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: But there has to be some kind of negotiated end
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: to this war. And this is the point at which
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: there seems to be an impasse, because I'm not sure
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Zelensky wants to do that. But without that, it's pretty
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: hard to keep making the argument that there is indefinite
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: support for this war, because that is not good for
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: either side, ultimately. It's not good for us or Ukraine to...
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: artificially sustain the war. It's not good to let Russia win.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: So there has to be some method of solution in there.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: And I get that's what Trump has been trying to
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: work on for a long time and has thus far
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: failed to do. But it is just an exceptionally difficult circumstance.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: And don't forget you've got China, you've got Iran. I mean,
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: there are other issues in the world that are quite
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: pressing at the moment and a lot of resources tied
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: up in... So anyway, coming back to Australia, Susan Lee.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: Remember Susan Lee? No negotiated settlement for her. She was
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: tossed aside by Angus Taylor, but she has reappeared in
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: the Sydney Morning Herald, writing about her experience as leader
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: of the coalition. She made some interesting comments, mostly centering
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: around the way in which she found leadership quite difficult
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: and she was misunderstood by the public. She wrote, in politics,
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: authenticity matters enormously, but reveal too much. and it can
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: quickly become evidence against you. I'm bemused by reactions to
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: the post-political me, as though leaving the role made me
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: somehow different and better. Now you see me like a
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: person who cares. Why didn't we ever see this.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Side of you?
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Followed by the faintly patronising verdict, we never liked you much,
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: but it turns out you're all right. I think that's
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: probably the experience of many politicians, and most would probably
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: feel misunderstood by members of the public because their entire
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: life is reduced to a 20-second grab that people see
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: on the news. But I was more interested in this
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: comment from Susan Lee, who talked about how she felt
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: the pressure to look like a leader, perform like a leader,
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: sound like a leader.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: She wrote.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: I stood at countless press conferences, hair and makeup done,
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: microphones banked in front of me, deep breath, dropped the shoulders, marched.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: To the podium.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: She wrote that she felt like she had to have confidence,
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: be across the detail, answers to every question, real or imagined.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: But how did she actually feel? Felt like hell, she said.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: One of my problems with Susan Lee is, and maybe
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: I'm reading too much into this, But when you have
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: to G yourself up to sound like a leader, feel
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: like a leader, look like a leader, maybe it's because
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: you're just not a leader.
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: Correct.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: When you are a leader, you don't have to try
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: and put leadership on. It's something that you walk in.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: Whether you like Donald Trump or not, whether you think
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: he's good or bad, I don't think anyone can deny
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: he is a leader. I don't think Donald Trump has
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: to psych himself up. I don't think Paul Keating had
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: to psych himself up. I think Paul Keating was just
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: a leader. You might not like his leadership, but he
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: had it on him. I just think Susan Lee was
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: a lovely person, just not much of a leader.
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: Well, what does that then say about the Coalition? Because,
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: I mean, surely if she didn't feel like she was
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: up to the task of being a leader, why would
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: you put your hand up? Which makes me question why
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: she was put into that job in the first place.
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: When you had other people available there, you had Angus Taylor,
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: you had Andrew Hastie, they could have stepped up to
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: this job and we wouldn't have been going through this
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: rigmarole six months later.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: What do you think of what she wrote in the
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Sydney Morning Herald? Did it make you sort of softer
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: towards her?
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: No, it didn't.
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: I've got to be honest, and I don't have a
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: problem with Susan Lee. I just think that was a
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: complete poor me piece. You know what you're getting into
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: when you enter into the world of politics. It's not
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: all fun and games and daisies where everyone's skipping and
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: holding hands, singing kumbaya. It is a tough and cutthroat industry.
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: So for her to say, oh, you know, I didn't
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: like to do this, I didn't like to do.
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: That, but again.
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: Why did you put yourself up for the role of
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: leader then if you didn't feel like you were up
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: to it?
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I've enjoyed her writing since she's left politics, I have
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: to say. The piece she wrote in the AFR about
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: her road trip across the United States was quite amusing.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: But what she's essentially writing about is that there is
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: this kind of archetypal politician that you are expected to fit.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Into, right?
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: But I think that's changing increasingly. I mean, look, I
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: think it's been changing for quite some time. But I
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: think people more now demand a real person than they
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: do an archetypal politician, which is why you in part
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: have the rise of One Nation. Because people look at
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: a Pauline Hanson and they go, well, Pauline Hanson says
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: what she means and means what she says. And we
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: accept that sometimes when she opens her mouth, she says
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: things that don't come out quite the right way or whatever.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: But we forgive her for it because we know she's
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: being honest. And so the kind of politician that Susan
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Lee is describing she felt the pressure to be, I
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: don't think is actually the politician of today or tomorrow. Now,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: maybe the fact that she was in politics for so long,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: more than 20 years she was an MP before she
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: became leader, she was a product of the times that
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: she came from. But I feel like that's not the
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: politician of tomorrow and the person that people are actually
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: looking to to be a leader anymore.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: It's interesting.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: Her column did give that kind of vibe that it
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: was almost, I wish I could go back again. and
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: just do it my way rather than feel the pressure
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: to be what was expected by those around me and
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: the media and the public. Anyway, it was an interesting
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: read in the Sydney Morning Herald. Speaking of the papers
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: that's coming up after the break, we'll have a look
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: at how tomorrow's newspapers are reporting the car attack on
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Victorian MP Helen Haynes.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: That's next.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Welcome back to the program. Let's take a look at
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: what's happening in the papers tomorrow morning. So you get
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: it all here first, and I'm sure you can imagine
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: what the main story is tomorrow.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Caleb, you've got it.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Indeed. A number of the papers, of course, running with
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: it on the front of the Herald Sun, given this
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: is a Victorian story. They've got cops probe politically motivated
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: quote-unquote car attack. Targeted hit on Vic MP. Helen Haynes
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: mowed down as she unloaded Boot outside her office. Knife
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: found after citizen's arrest as mum of three fights for life.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: ASIO Terror Squad investigate. Shocked PM addresses nation. Over on
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: the front of the advertiser, much the same headline. ASIO
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Terror Squad probe politically motivated attack. Targeted hit on MP.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: And over on the Australian, they've got democracy under assault.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Car attack on MP. Haynes critically injured. Suspect known to agencies.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: PM.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Pray for Helen. Police are investigating a targeted attack against
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Federal Independent MP Helen Haynes, who's been left critically injured
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: after being hit by a car outside her electorate office
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: in one of the darkest days in Australian political history.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Counter-terrorism agencies, including the AFP, ASIO and Victoria Police, are
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: investigating what happened when Dr Haynes was struck in Wangaratta
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: by a 43-year-old man who the Australian understands was on
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: the radar of authorities. If confirmed as deliberate, it will
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: be one of the most serious assaults against a sitting
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Australian MP, which include New South Wales MP John Newman
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: being shot dead outside his home on Woods Avenue in
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Cabramatta in 1994 by a masked gunman. And I'll just
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: read on a little bit there. It says, Witnesses say
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Dr Haynes, 65, was struck by the four-wheel drive about
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: 3.40pm and her car appeared to have been shunted onto
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: the footpath with the front left wheel pushed forward. over
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: the gutter. So it would sound as though she's obviously
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: been hit from behind. We've heard the suggestion this evening
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: that she may lose one or both of her legs.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: So the impact obviously was quite significant. She is in
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: a critical condition. So we hope the best for the
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: chances of her surviving that. But I mean... The fact
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: that the Australian understands that this individual may have been
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: known to authorities, of course, we still do not know
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: what the motive is and the police and ASIO and
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: whatever will work through this stuff in coming days. But
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: that is concerning news to learn that this was someone
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: who according to the Australian may have been on the
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: radar of authorities already.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah that's new and no doubt more information will come
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: but it could be days before we really get specifics
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: about this and we'll see.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Indeed. Another story on the front of The Australian tomorrow.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: ALP tax changes, dismal failure. It's marked as an exclusive.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it's exclusive that it's a
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: dismal failure, but maybe some of the other details are.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Labor's plan to funnel property investors into new stock to
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: fix the housing affordability crisis is failing, with mortgages on
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: new homes nosediving, wait for it, 10% since January. spurring
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: one of the nation's leading developers to demand Jim Chalmers'
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: controversial tax changes be repealed. The Treasurer has made budget
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: tax changes designed to deliver more homes and make property
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: more affordable, have undoubtedly created the biggest disruption to the
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: investor market in decades, prominent Melbourne-based property entrepreneur Tim Gurner
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: told The Australian, with uncertainty around future tax treatment also
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: shaking confidence. Mr Gurner's comments come as a snapshot of
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: loan activity For more than 6,000 mortgage brokers across the
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: country revealed investor applications have halved since January and the
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Albanese government's decision to create a negative gearing carve-out for
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: newly built homes has so far failed to encourage more
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: landlords into the market.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Who would have thought?
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: It's going so well, isn't it?
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: It's just, it's a rolling comedy of errors at this point.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: It's more pressure on Jim Chalmers as if he needed
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: any more.
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: But he still doesn't care. This is the problem.
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: He's still just in this blasé bubble that it's got
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: nothing to do with him.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: I reckon privately he cares and thinks, there goes my
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: prime ministerial career.
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: Oh, that's gone, absolutely.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: The rest of us are thinking there goes the economy.
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: Well, that's right. There goes our coffers. Let's take a
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: look at the Daily Telegraph. Of course, the Daily Telegraph
• 41:27
  Speaker 7: is commenting and reporting on the awful incident with Helen Haynes.
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: But if you have a look there on the side,
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: man told bot he would do a Bondi, an AI
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: platform's automated safety system, referred a Sydney student to Interpol
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: after he allegedly made threats to shoot up a local
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: childcare centre in and start murdering people like the terrorists
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: at Bondi, a court has heard. David Thackeray, 29, was
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: charged with using a carriage service to menace, harass or
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: offend after his Claude account was shut down due to
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: the violent threats he was alleged to have made in
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: a fit of anger. Well, I think that that's great
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: that there is an automated safety system on these AI systems.
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: I don't know if it's the same on every single
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: AI system but I've never actually heard of Claude before.
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: But it's good to know that there is, and I
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: guess it provides a level of surety given the rise
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: of AI and the uncertainty of AI.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: It's funny how we rail against, you know, the government's
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: involvement in our online activities. However, there is a place
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: for it. And in this case, very appropriate that the
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: comments were reported to authorities and action has been taken.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Taken.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Can I say, though, this will be a very interesting
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: legal test case, I suspect, because what we're talking about
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: here is not someone who went out in public and
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: made a threat or directly contacted another, you know, human
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: being and said, I'm going to go and do such
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: and such. It's someone talking to a computer, which is,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: in effect, fake. And so the idea that you've used
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: a carriage service to menace or harass or offend or whatever...
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I think there's an argument that could be made, and
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I suspect this is something that will be tested, as
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: to whether or not a conversation you have with a
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: robot is the same as a conversation you have with
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: another human being. Because you might say things in anger
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: to a robot that you wouldn't say to another human being,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: and yet you end up in this position. I think
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: it'll be a very interesting case to watch.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Yep, quite right.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: All right, front page of the Townsville Bulletin. Regardless of
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: the story, we just had to do it because of
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: the headline. Funny money in Dunny reads the headline.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: So let's find out what's going on.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: A man who agreed to carry $ 90, 000 in tainted cash
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: from the Townsville airport for a relative has been handed
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: a fully suspended sentence after the money was hidden in
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: a suitcase during a quick airport handover. Matthew Allen Adams, 41,
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: pleaded guilty in the Townsville District Court to knowingly receiving
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: tainted property The court heard Adams arrived at Townsville Airport
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: from Sydney in August 2024, met another person in the
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: arrivals area and took a black IGA bag containing vacuum
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: sealed cash into a male bathroom and Hence, Danica, funny
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: money in Dunny.
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: Whoopsie daisies. Jesus, what was he thinking?
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Of all the places to get caught putting your money
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: in the loo.
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: Maybe it was smart, though.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: He was flush with cash.
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: That is very good, Matt.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: You're welcome. It all went down the drain, by the
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: sounds of it. On the front of the Mercury down
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: in Tassie tomorrow, search for club song. The Devils are
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: giving everyday Tasmanians a chance to write themselves into the
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: history book by beginning an open submission process for the
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: inaugural Sides Club song. Submissions will kick off on October 28,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: running for four weeks until November 25. The club has
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: already appointed a stacked panel to evaluate submissions. I wonder
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: what they're going to come up with. Because it's hard
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: coming into the league to come up with a decent
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: team song, right, that stands up. The Dockers song? I know,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I know. Some of them.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: Good to know you guys.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: No, no, the GWS is the best one. There's a big,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: big sound. Oh, yeah, no, that's awful. It's the sound
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: of the mighty giants.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Well, for the AFLW team in Tasmania, just do Cliff
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: Richard's Devil Woman.
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: Oh, I love that.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: You'd love that.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Evil all over her.
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: It starts off with, I've had nothing but bad luck.
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: What an omen for the show.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: All right, we're going to go to a break.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: When we come back, and you've got to stick around
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: for this, police seize a robot after it starts performing
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: sexual gestures.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: That's next. We'll show you after this. Welcome back to
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: the program.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: We're just talking about AI, but Danika, a robot overseas
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: has found itself in a little bit of trouble.
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: I thought you were going to say that we were
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: listening to The Devil Woman by Cliff Richards in the break.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Well, we were doing that as well. In fact, we're
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: having quite a good sing-along, weren't we?
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we were.
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: It was a very cute family sing-along because the family
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: is back together. Now, look, this is utterly bizarre.
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: So a robot has been seized in Germany for apparently
• 46:03
  Speaker 7: grabbing a 16-year-old girl from behind and making sexual gestures.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: German police seized this robot after it allegedly sexually harassed
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: a 16-year-old girl. The Iron Man-style machine reportedly grabbed her
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: behind and made thrusting movements. But this wasn't a robot
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: going rogue. Its teenage owner is a streamer who allegedly
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: makes it perform sexual gestures in public for laughs and views.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: But this time, things seem to have gone too far.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Police found the robot in a car trunk and seized it,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: along with two phones. Now they're investigating who is responsible
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: for its actions.
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: Oh, should we have blurred those? What is the protocol
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: with robots?
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: If a human being had done that, I don't think
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: we would have been allowed to show it, right?
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: Because it's a robot.
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: But we've played on this show before. There's been robots
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: that have been chasing grandmas.
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: Yes. Menacing people. Now they're sexually harassing people.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: That's next level.
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: This is scary stuff.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Wait until they start sexually harassing the grandmas. It'll be
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: on for young and old. I mean, literally.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: But I mean, seriously.
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: You wish you were a robot.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Seriously.
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: Seriously.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: If the robots are getting to this stage, we're done for.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Let's just pull the plug. Literally pull the plug.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Everyone's afraid of what's worse, Skynet or that.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Well, they probably do that in The Matrix,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: if you're not careful. Anyway, over on the BBC, I
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: think this has all been blown out of proportion a
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: little bit, to be perfectly honest. John Simpson, who's been
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: the world editor at the BBC for a long time,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: he's racked up 60 years at the BBC, right? And
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: so he's being interviewed about his 60 years at the BBC,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: and after the interview, congenial interview, he asks the interviewer
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: if he may have a little kiss... Nothing is meant
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: by it, but people on social media think this is
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: the end of the world. Lovely. Lovely. I couldn't, I suppose,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: have a kiss.
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: Really lovely of you.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry. We are still on air.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I didn't realise that.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Now they didn't realise they were on there. on social
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: media been trying to make out, like, oh, he's some
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: old lech? It's like, no. He just had a celebration
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: of his 60 years at the Broadcaster and he's like,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: you know, can I have a hug?
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: I agree with you. Nothing wrong with it. It was
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: quite innocent.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Exactly. It was a lovely moment, I saw.
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: A flight going from the Gold Coast to Melbourne, Virgin flight.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: It's all going fine.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: The host, he happens to mention to a couple of
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: passengers that he's a singer.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: They convince him to perform for the whole plane.
• 48:38
  Speaker 8: So I didn't like it, but I preferred it to
• 48:43
  Speaker 8: a Welcome to Country.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: Sorry, that's my worst nightmare.
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: Just leave me alone.
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: Please don't start singing and carrying on and then everyone
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: joins in.
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: No, just go away.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Please. Just a little bit of light entertainment. There you go.
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  Speaker 4: That's all we've got time for tonight. We're going to
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: go straight to Late Edition for more news on Helen Haynes.
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  Speaker 4: If you want to watch the Rita Pennehy show, you
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  Speaker 4: can find that online. Here's late edition.