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'Over' with the fans - but overlooked by AEW booking? · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for
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  Speaker 1: ignition with the aw fan Hub podcast team. This is
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  Speaker 1: Kelson and I've got Barry, Shane and Sutton here with
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  Speaker 1: us tonight, and guys, I'm gonna ask you a couple
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  Speaker 1: of questions. Let's see what your opinion is on this.
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  Speaker 1: The first question is in the men's division right now, like,
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  Speaker 1: based on what's been going on maybe in the last
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  Speaker 1: month or two, named three men who are over right now,
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  Speaker 1: I mean just over in AW. Shane, I'm gonna go
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  Speaker 1: to you first.
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  Speaker 2: Well, not John Moxley, I mean, I mean, like the
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  Speaker 2: real question is how over? I mean, Michael, we are
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  Speaker 2: we talking like to the moon? Are we talking like hockey?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm talking about let's just say, when they come out,
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  Speaker 1: the fans respond to them. You feel like they're you
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  Speaker 1: personally feel like the fans are responding to them. You
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  Speaker 1: personally feel like when they come out, they're a benefit
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  Speaker 1: for TV for example. Okay, No, it's something you feel
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  Speaker 1: like other people are gonna want to see them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there are guys in AW that are permanently over
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  Speaker 2: no matter whether they're well, that's fine too, Okay, I'll
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  Speaker 2: entertain this all right. First of all, Darby Allen, Darby
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  Speaker 2: Allen is permanently over, no matter what happens. He's permanently over,
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  Speaker 2: not just because this thing. But that's just the reception
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  Speaker 2: that I mean, like the dude. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: talk about conspiracy or his past, but the dude dodged
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  Speaker 2: some very hefty bullets in terms of things outside of
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  Speaker 2: wrestling to make him relevant in wrestling. So Darby Allen
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  Speaker 2: won Kenny Omega. That's a that's a go to. He's
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  Speaker 2: always going to be over. He's always going to be
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  Speaker 2: over for aw audiences. One yeah, and we're struggling. I've
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  Speaker 2: been to several a W shows last year. It doesn't
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  Speaker 2: matter who is performed a W doesn't matter who's performing
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  Speaker 2: at any given period of time. It could be women
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  Speaker 2: in the ring and someone's gonna go lose House and
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  Speaker 2: everyone's gonna stop and go Swerve's House.
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  Speaker 1: Perfect. I'm gonna go to Barry, Arry, what are your three?
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  Speaker 1: And you agree with you even you know what what's
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  Speaker 1: out and agree with Shane if you want.
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  Speaker 3: So we're gonna say over, just over, not baby faces,
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  Speaker 3: like just.
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  Speaker 1: Not at all, not babyfaces.
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  Speaker 3: Just over for me. It would be Swerve, MJF and Osprey.
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  Speaker 3: Those three they're always they're over every well Will especially
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  Speaker 3: But to Shane's point, Swerves rise last year just cemented
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  Speaker 3: him as a top guy. The reactions he gets every
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  Speaker 3: time I hear somebody was at a basketball game and
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  Speaker 3: somebody has randomly yelled at and people responded, So like,
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  Speaker 3: that's how I know the guy's over Will just because
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  Speaker 3: he's well Osprey, everybody like his music hits elevation or
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  Speaker 3: elevated hits, people go lose their mind. And then MJFF
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  Speaker 3: same thing. His music hits, everybody knows what's coming and
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  Speaker 3: that's uh, that's that's kind of the qualifiers for top
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  Speaker 3: top top people for me.
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  Speaker 4: Fair enough, Sutton, let's go to you, Osprey, Omega and
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  Speaker 4: at Darby.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, great, all right, now, I'm not gonna get my
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  Speaker 1: opinion on this. I'm going to wooz out, but I
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  Speaker 1: want to ask the same question. But now this is
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  Speaker 1: to be a little bit more difficult, I think. But
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about the women's division. Three women that are
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  Speaker 1: over right now, Shane will go to you.
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  Speaker 2: Uh Christad obvious reasons, Mercedes Monet, and I'll save the
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  Speaker 2: best I'll save the best for last Tony Storm. Tony
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  Speaker 2: Storm doesn't even have to be on television to be over.
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  Speaker 2: She could be giving some fai contrivable bullshit article to
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  Speaker 2: some dirt sheet and people are going to treat it
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  Speaker 2: like it. She's crapping gold, which.
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  Speaker 1: Is fantastic, Like the visual, one of the.
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  Speaker 2: Most interesting things that's happening in professional wrestling today. That's
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  Speaker 2: spanning all promotions.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean even w w E fans love
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  Speaker 1: Tony Storm.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah they should have. They should have loved her more
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  Speaker 2: when she was on n x T.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but hey, you know, sometimes you need changed to
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  Speaker 1: really do better.
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  Speaker 3: Opportunity and environment, Yeah right.
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  Speaker 1: Who are your three women?
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  Speaker 3: Willow our music hits, everybody go, everybody pops, right. I
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  Speaker 3: would put Tony on there too. Different, It's it's hard
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  Speaker 3: to explain how she's over. It's more different than any
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  Speaker 3: other performer that's been over, because every everybody is more
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  Speaker 3: interested in seeing what her next character work is going
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  Speaker 3: to be than necessarily she's going to come out and
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  Speaker 3: put a banger of a match. She's just she's taken
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  Speaker 3: the performance of being a p wrestler in just a
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  Speaker 3: different era that are a different way that very few,
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  Speaker 3: if anybody, has ever ever touched on before, which is
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  Speaker 3: why she's so fascinating. And then I think after the
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  Speaker 3: two of them, there's a layer of a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: other folks. But I might put Mercedes. I might put
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  Speaker 3: Mercedes in there as well.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair enough. Let's go to you and then
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  Speaker 1: we'll get to a point. I have a point to
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  Speaker 1: all this. Let's get the sun and get his.
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  Speaker 4: Three Julie Hart, Chris Dat Lennar and uh chetam that one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Every time, no matter what, those three come out, they're
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  Speaker 4: always over.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair enough. Let me get to my point here,
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  Speaker 1: and I have a few points here. The first one,
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  Speaker 1: the first point is of all the men that were
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  Speaker 1: mentioned as being over by you guys, how many of
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  Speaker 1: them have championships right now? Answer? None? Zero. Keep that
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  Speaker 1: in mind. Of all the men that people mentioned, you
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  Speaker 1: guys mentioned just right now, how many of them are
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  Speaker 1: over thirty five? I don't think any of them are.
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  Speaker 1: You see where I'm going here. Kenny, I'm sorry, Kenny, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but Kenny is Yeah, but Kenny's a little bit and
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm just say it. When you're talking, think
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  Speaker 1: about it. Now, look at the women that you mentioned.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of you mentioned Mercedes Monet. She's the only
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  Speaker 1: one that was mentioned that has a belt right now.
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  Speaker 1: And again there's none of those women that were mentioned
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  Speaker 1: or over the age of thirty five. They're all young.
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  Speaker 1: Some of them are not are under by Julia Harts
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  Speaker 1: under twenty five going here.
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  Speaker 4: She does.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think you're right. I think Cheetah's thirty six.
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  Speaker 2: Cheetahs thirty six. This is why we have Tonic.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it blew my mind.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but you can add me to sheer
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  Speaker 1: account to that. Harley Harley Cameron is also over you know,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, Uh again, none of these people have
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  Speaker 1: belts except for Mercedes Monette and both the meds and
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  Speaker 1: the women's division. And my point here is when you
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  Speaker 1: look at Aw's booking, do you think that the fact
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  Speaker 1: that the people Because I'm gonna be honest with you,
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  Speaker 1: when I listened to the people that you named, I
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  Speaker 1: really thought that those were great names that I think
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  Speaker 1: would be representative of what other people would probably say
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  Speaker 1: is to say as well, none of them have belts
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  Speaker 1: except for Mercedes Monet, Kenny Omegas, where Strickland none. These
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  Speaker 1: guys don't have belts. They're hardly a main event mode
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  Speaker 1: right now. Do you think that the fact that so
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  Speaker 1: many of these people that are over with the fans
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  Speaker 1: are simply not being used as they should be. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: is that a weakness in Tony Kahin's booking or is
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  Speaker 1: it a strength? I don't know what do you guys think.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it's a weakness at all. It just
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  Speaker 4: shows that you can put your best people and they
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  Speaker 4: don't have to be involved in titles with titles to
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  Speaker 4: be over. You don't have to have your most your
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  Speaker 4: top talent always have a title, because if you do that,
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  Speaker 4: what's the point then you have nobody else that everybody's
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  Speaker 4: got to.
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  Speaker 1: Stride.
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  Speaker 4: Ex are hard to try to get to a point
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  Speaker 4: where they can compete with them, and right now they're not.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Kenny's just coming back from a long time off,
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  Speaker 4: Julie's coming back from a long time I mean a
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  Speaker 4: lot of the people we mentioned are either involved in
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  Speaker 4: other things, like she's already ever around because I think
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  Speaker 4: she's involved overseas. You know, most of them are either
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  Speaker 4: involved in something else or have come back from a
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  Speaker 4: long time gone. But they've come back and still in
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  Speaker 4: the same place they were when they left.
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  Speaker 3: I see where you're going Kelson, and I don't think
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  Speaker 3: necessarily what you're getting at is wrong. I think part
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  Speaker 3: of the challenge is nearly everybody we mentioned either has
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  Speaker 3: been a title holder, and most of them have had
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  Speaker 3: a major title. Recently. Tony Storm and Willa both had titles.
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  Speaker 3: Tony had one of the longest runs ever. On the
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  Speaker 3: men's side, everybody we mentioned had titles, one of them,
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  Speaker 3: like from Jaff, the longest ever. The challenge that I see,
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  Speaker 3: which is I think in line with your argument, is
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  Speaker 3: there is no white hot babyface champion, either in the
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  Speaker 3: women's or the men's division. And you look at what
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  Speaker 3: WWE did with Cody. They built to that they've got
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  Speaker 3: their white hot babyface champion, just like they did with Sina.
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  Speaker 3: There's a real strength to have that hot babyface and
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  Speaker 3: if they are not the champ, then they should be
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  Speaker 3: pursuing the championship. So even though Cody took a year,
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  Speaker 3: he was still the guy. And one of the challenges
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  Speaker 3: with aw is there is no top babyface. The closest
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  Speaker 3: I would say is well Osprey, but Tony has a habit.
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  Speaker 3: Coming back to your also point Kelson of swinging his
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  Speaker 3: booking from all babyfaces having to all heels having. And
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  Speaker 3: so one of the weaknesses with AW has been once
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  Speaker 3: Tony gives these guys their run as a babyface, the
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  Speaker 3: what's next is very weak. We see it with Sanna
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  Speaker 3: Garcia right now, we saw it with Private Party. Those
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  Speaker 3: are the two most recent examples that the US sure
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  Speaker 3: why he falls back to putting him back on the heels.
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  Speaker 3: Not everybody can be over, but at some point they're
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  Speaker 3: going to need to fix that because Swerve elevated himself
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  Speaker 3: as a baby face, and I still don't think that
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  Speaker 3: what's next for him was a strong enough program. And
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  Speaker 3: he's a fascinating character as well.
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  Speaker 2: Arry, I want to expand on that thought. This is
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  Speaker 2: an observational statement, but like in a lot of instances,
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  Speaker 2: when these guys are dropping their titles, they're disappearing. It
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  Speaker 2: feels like in a lot of cases, like Tony is
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  Speaker 2: dropping belts to allow these guys going to go on vacation,
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  Speaker 2: take R and R you know, or you know, get
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  Speaker 2: surgeries that they have so desperately needed for for months
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  Speaker 2: and months and months. That's not very that's not very
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  Speaker 2: you know, Calcu. I mean in terms of storytelling, you're
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  Speaker 2: planning six months out, and it seems that that seems
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  Speaker 2: to be the case for TK. I've always said that
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  Speaker 2: Tony's greatest strength and weakness is his long term storytelling
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  Speaker 2: because he has a tendency to drag things into the
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  Speaker 2: into the mud, you know, yeah, he can't pull the trigger.
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  Speaker 2: I think Adam Page and CM Punk is a great
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  Speaker 2: example of this. You know that seem they had their
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  Speaker 2: match Adam Page dropped and then they were dropping the
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  Speaker 2: belt onto mocks in Cleveland, like what the two weeks later?
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  Speaker 2: Three weeks later, So because punk Punk was injured, I mean, like,
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  Speaker 2: could we be a little more creative, intuitive, or or
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  Speaker 2: at least a little more call better audibles in terms
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  Speaker 2: of how we're managing these these stories. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: in terms of his booking. You know, right now he's
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  Speaker 2: on the upswing, but how for how much longer? You know?
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  Speaker 2: That's definitely yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I also.
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  Speaker 1: Let me break in here, Barry just real quick, because
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  Speaker 1: I want to change. Just said something that kind of
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  Speaker 1: took me off guard. I'm startering over myself, I'm falling
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  Speaker 1: over my tong like Mercedes Money on a Wednesday. Look,
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  Speaker 1: you think that Tony Kahn's booking is on an upswing
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  Speaker 1: right now?
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  Speaker 2: In a manner of speaking, Yeah, I mean I think
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  Speaker 2: the Death Death Riders thing is contrive I think that, Uh,
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I think that in terms of like the
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  Speaker 2: mid card, the mid card belts look more important than
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  Speaker 2: the World Championships right now. I think that's the biggest issue.
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  Speaker 2: I think if he wanted to be you know, I
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  Speaker 2: think that he needs to redirect the Death Riders story
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  Speaker 2: and put optics on the tag titles. Uh. He has
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  Speaker 2: to put some trios together because now we hit like
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  Speaker 2: I don't think, but I don't think it's in a
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  Speaker 2: place that it was three months ago.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you, Shane. I've always I think
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  Speaker 3: this trend started last year too. The Continental Classic really
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  Speaker 3: lays out so much of how their TV has to
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  Speaker 3: work that Tony kind of falls into really really good programming.
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  Speaker 3: And I think actually the last three months have been
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  Speaker 3: some of the most solid dynamites and collisions. There's been
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  Speaker 3: some problem and they're not everything's a home run, But
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  Speaker 3: you look at the first three quarters of the year
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  Speaker 3: compared to the last quarter, and it was far more
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  Speaker 3: consistent and more in line with the types of stuff
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  Speaker 3: we want to see. But I want to hit back
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  Speaker 3: on something that I think Shane said too and sudden
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  Speaker 3: you got on when people disappear. How many times have
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  Speaker 3: we seen somebody want a title ballut and they're not
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  Speaker 3: on TV?
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  Speaker 4: Well, something I got a disagree with on that though,
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  Speaker 4: with the injury thing, that's not in your control. Like,
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  Speaker 4: for example, the only time that they did that and
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  Speaker 4: they shouldn't have was with Brian Danielson. Everybody knew he
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  Speaker 4: was hurt when he won the title. He didn't win
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  Speaker 4: the title and the didnt get hurt. He was hurt
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  Speaker 4: when he got the title put on him. And I
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  Speaker 4: get why they wanted to do that, but that was
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  Speaker 4: a mistake. You can't do that. But when you have
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  Speaker 4: somebody get hurt when they're holding the title, dropping that
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  Speaker 4: title and then moving on instead of doing what they
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  Speaker 4: did with like thunder Rose, that happened to to set
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  Speaker 4: it aside and they just kind of gave it to
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  Speaker 4: Tony Storm. You can't you can't play for that. You
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  Speaker 4: can't have a backup for that at all times. So
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  Speaker 4: you know, if somebody like for for example, if tomorrow night,
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  Speaker 4: Hobbes comes out and drops John on his head and
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: they have to give the title of Hobbes and it's
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  Speaker 4: a it's a called audible. That's understandable. But you know,
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  Speaker 4: I don't I don't know that you can really say
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  Speaker 4: that's an issue that Tony has, because for the most
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  Speaker 4: part he's done a halfway decent job with that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to kind of disagree with you there
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  Speaker 1: and then I'll give you a case some point. One
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  Speaker 1: of your favorite wrestlers is Chris stat Lander. G I'm
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  Speaker 1: just gonna look, Tony kept that belt on Jade Cargill
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  Speaker 1: are longer than she he needed to in order to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, getting ready.
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  Speaker 4: To say the same thing, and that's that that was
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  Speaker 4: the one thing I was just getting ready to point
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  Speaker 4: that that was the one example of when it was
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  Speaker 4: the worst thing that could have been done. But I
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  Speaker 4: think since then Tony has learned a little bit about
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  Speaker 4: doesn't do a great job of us still, but he's
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  Speaker 4: getting around to the point where he's like, for example,
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  Speaker 4: with Julia Hart when she got hurt, he dropped the title.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't wait for what he wanted to have happen
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  Speaker 4: happen he put the title on Willow and now he
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  Speaker 4: might come back to that, but he hasn't. But he's
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  Speaker 4: starting to learn that a little bit better. So yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I agree with you, Kelse, And I was just getting
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  Speaker 4: ready to say the exact same thing as an example
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  Speaker 4: when he did it so badly.
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  Speaker 1: Look, here's the thing, No, here's the thing. I just
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  Speaker 1: wanted to point this out. Looking at just the TBS Championship.
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  Speaker 1: We've had Chris Statlander, Julia Hart, We've had Mercedes Monet,
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  Speaker 1: We've had Jade Cargill, we've had Willow Nightingale as TBS champions.
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  Speaker 1: The longest reigning TBS champion was Jade Cargill. The worst
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  Speaker 1: TBS champion in my opinion, was Jade Cargill. It was
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  Speaker 1: super arguing that want the way that they're handling it
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  Speaker 1: now that it's very it's you know, Mercedes Monet has
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  Speaker 1: held on to it. It doesn't look like she's going
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  Speaker 1: to lose it anytime soon. But at least she's out
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  Speaker 1: there having banger matches, not you know, she's traveling around
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  Speaker 1: the world having matches, and she's having competitive matches instead
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  Speaker 1: of glorified or not even glorified, just flat out squashes
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  Speaker 1: like Jade Cargill was. I mean, it was a bad
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  Speaker 1: championship when Jake Cargill had it. And it's nothing to
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  Speaker 1: do with Jade Cargill as a wrestler. It's he has
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  Speaker 1: to do everything to do with the booking.
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  Speaker 3: I think some things too, is we're able to look
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  Speaker 3: at stuff in hindsight in a way that really wasn't
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  Speaker 3: available at that time. What AW had with Jade is
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  Speaker 3: what I think everybody saw is this woman's going to
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  Speaker 3: be a million bucks if they can justigure it out.
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  Speaker 3: How are they going to make the money off that?
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  Speaker 3: But you look at her and she is marketing one
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  Speaker 3: on one for the prototype of just Glamour Incarnate. Like
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  Speaker 3: she's strong, she's pretty, she's athletic, she's she's not terrible
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  Speaker 3: on the mic, she's not great, you know. But Tony
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  Speaker 3: tried the WWE approach of building this and building the
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  Speaker 3: hype and all that, and that works if you have
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  Speaker 3: the other machine around it, and that's not what AW
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  Speaker 3: was at the time, and they don't have that. That
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  Speaker 3: works for WWE because they're really freaking good at it.
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  Speaker 3: They've been doing it for decades. They're marketing. They think
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  Speaker 3: the way they approach stuff is just it's not from
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  Speaker 3: a pro wrestling standpoint, it's from a media marketing standpoint,
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  Speaker 3: and that's something people like overlook like WWE is almost
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: unique to pro wrestling the way they operate now, and
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: you almost shouldn't compare them to anybody else. But that's
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: why I had it for too long, you know, And
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: it was a mistake in retrospect, But at the time,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: understand what they were trying to do with her, and
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: it's what I think anybody in that position would have
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: tried to do with her. But I think people who
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: get hurt with the belts is pretty rare in an outlier,
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: and it's a real tricky situation and book out of
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: But I think all of you guys are right as Tony.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: When somebody gets hurt in an angle, they just kind
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: of sets that person aside who's not hurt, and they flounder,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: and then when the person comes back, they pick it
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: up again. And he needs to get better at pivoting
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: away from that. When there's an injury, you just you
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: need to go in a different direction. You can't come
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: back to that booking. It hurts too many performers, and
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: it hurts the storytelling.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Should want to bring this home for us, Buddy.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, by definition, WWE is a soap opera with athletes.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, I'm sorry, since twenty sixteen, the only
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: wrestling program running out of ww media that by definition
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: is a wrestling promotion is NXT And I hate to
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: be that guy. It is what it is. That And
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: again you made the comment that they built the machine
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: around it. They figured they had they had decades to
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: test the waters. Yeah, they know exactly what they're selling
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: and who they're selling it to, which is why it's
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: kind of a revolving door. I mean, like, uh, what
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: what happened to the mystery and professional wrestling? That's why
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: we flocked to AW to kind of encapsulize that nostalgia,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: that nostalgia drug from the wrestling that we grew up with.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: And we said, hey, you know, it was the mystique
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: and and the surprise and the and the mystery that
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: that sucked us into it. You know, we're not getting
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: a lot of that from w w E.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: It stagnates with AW. That's the problem. And I and
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Barry I agree with you completely, Like Tony Kahn needs
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: to he needs to put a put put his foot
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: down on himself. Hey man, I need to stop this.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I need to hop on the next bandwagon and and
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: revisit this, you know, in a manner that's you know,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: respectful to the people that are working in the back,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: instead of front running someone that's been sitting for seven
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: months in spite of the fact that they're some of
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: the best wrestlers on earth. That's not how it's ever
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: worked anywhere else. So I mean praying Boston prayers for
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: t Case.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: I want to see him. Just do a hard push
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: for somebody too, Like just pick a guy and book
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: him to the moon, and you've got enough people. People
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: are ready for that. And I'm not talking like an
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Osprey or anybody like that. But like Fletcher's right there, man,
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: you can book him to the moon. Hobbs is right there. Like,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: give them Hobbs more mic time. You can push him
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: in the mood takesh It is already doing it. But
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: so much of what he's doing is away from aw
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: on some of the international tours that we don't get
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: to see at firsthand. Clearly he doesn't speak English as much.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: But like the.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Fans love him, push him to the moon, Like you
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: have the people pick one this year and just make
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: him the guy like you did with Swerve last year.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: You know how to do it. You did it with
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: swer Who's next, Just pick the guy and push him.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Jane.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: They did it with m Jeff as well. They figured
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: out they figured out that humanizing connection to Mjab's persona,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: and he milked the crap out of it. And he
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: even pivoted well when Adam Cole injured himself, but then
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: to rip the belt off of him the way they
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: did it with Samoa Drow and just drop the predictable
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: thing on us. That was very bloodline esque. You might
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: as well have You might as well have had Paul
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Heman out there with him. I mean, it wasn't that
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: much different in terms of like the turn. So sorry,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I just want to.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Make mention two things along this line. Member where it
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: started by saying who is over and a couple of
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: people were mentioned, and I want to revisit this and
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: just give you my opinion on it. One of the
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: most over women that is in aw right now is
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Mina Shirakala. I mean just her. She was like a
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: force of nature when you come right, can you imagine
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: if Mina Shira Kala had beat Mariah May, the reaction
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: that the fans would have had. And it's not only
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the reaction to the fans, it's the fans now knowing that, hey,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: anything can happen. And it goes to I want to
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: bring up because we're having this match tonight on Dynamite,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Will Hobbs versus John Moxley. Can you imagine Will Hobbs
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: getting a clean win on John Moxley what that would
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: do to the product. I think a lot of what's
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: going on with the product and how people are perceiving
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: it in an unpopular light is that Tony Kahan is
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: going to book the people that he wants, and I
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: don't think he really looks at what the fans want,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: you know, and I except for he's I honestly feel
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: sometimes that Tony Kahan books to squash the fans enthusiasm.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that makes any sense with this
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: match tomorrow night, Will Hobbs is going to be over
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: John Moxley, isn't. John Moxley is going to win, win
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: this match and squash fans.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Helson I have to disagree with that statement. Kenny Omega
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: is a shining example as to why. I mean, I
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: agree to some degree that he is not providing fans service.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I also believe that he's providing fan service to a
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: very small fraction of pro wrestling fans. The people that
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: would have understood why it was important for Kenny Omega
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: to hand the C two off to Okada. But like
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: that that that's people that followed them back in during
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Kenny's New Japan DA's twenty fifteen twenty sixteen Battle the
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Super Juniors, even you know, pre and post Pool Club Kenny.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, like what not A lot of casual
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: aw fans are gonna know what's up with that.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: I have the same thing. The friend of mine at
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: work and my buddy you flew down to go to
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: go to the world's done with me and we were
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: saying the same thing. Is Tony books for what Tony
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: thinks is cool?
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: And I don't think he trolls fans or anything like that.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: I don't think he books against fans, but it's not
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: what fans want because he's booking for Tony Khan. That's
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: how I feel a lot, and I think he the
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: creative team. He can book like a story, but the
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: creative team in general needs to broaden how they're approaching
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: stuff because a lot of it is kind of what
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: you're saying. It's too inside baseball to really get the granularity.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: You have to know so many layers to appreciate everything
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: that it's just going over. It's going over too many
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: people's head for it to be worthwhile.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: You know you made the baseball reference. It's from as
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: a Cleveland guy. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I am i
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: gonna put a lid on this. It's like run in
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety five Cleveland Indians for all of eternity,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Like you're you're replaying the same players over and over
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: and over. You could only capture that moment so many
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: times before the league evolves around around you and learns
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: how to squash you out, which is why the nineteen
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: ninety seven Cleveland Indians happened. So I'm just saying, like.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: The nineteen ninety five Cleveland Indians were a great team,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Jim better but better, No, they weren't.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: This is the resting show. We're not talking baseball past.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: What Let's go ahead and move on because what Barry
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: just said kind of leads into this next segment, and
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: it's that if if Tony Kahan isn't trolling the fans,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: why in the world did Last week Tony Khan himself
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: announced the twelve man main event that's taking place the
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: twelve man tag team or whatever you want to call it,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: six on six, And as soon as he announced it,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: the internet lost their minds. No, it's almost to the
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: point where I kind of look at it and go,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: my god, nobody wants to see this match. And these
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: are the biggest stars in a w supposedly, you're aw
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: World Championship champion, You've got you know FTR, longtime tag champions,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: you know Adam Copeland, the outrunners who nobody mentioned, but
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: they're quite over with the fans. But then you got
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Chris Jericho.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: And there's a reason that there's a reason please please
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: enlighten us because Max said they want these next two matches,
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: these next two shows to be the best shows that
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: they can be. This is what Tony thinks is going
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: to bring the get more fans involved and be a
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: bigger ending to the show than anything he can have
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: go otherwise. Because they are demanding the Max pretty much said,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: we want these to be the biggest shows you put on.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Yet, right, and he doesn't want He.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Didn't have another chance, he didn't have another idea, he
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: didn't have another way to go on. As a matter
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: of fact, I short notice if it's within the week.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: He had a week to come up with two fantastic
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: shows the maximccarter engine. Wednesday is tomorrow night or tonight
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: is going to be what it is. It was already set,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: but he didn't have anything for Collision. So in order
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: to make Collision as big as he can make it,
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: you put the twelve best people that you have in
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: your company in one match.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I have no words for what you just said.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: I just I want to make sure are people really
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: upset about this? Is that a real thing?
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: Okay? And that's the other thing. God, everybody, everybody on
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: the subreddit might be upset, and everybody in the discord
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: might be upset, But that is a fraction of the
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: people who are watching these ships and who go to
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: these shows. I don't think are's many people are said about.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: This because I agree with you. But when Tony Kahan
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: made that announcement Barry on Twitter, he announced the match
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: on Twitter, Yeah, it got lit up on Twitter. I
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: mean it was like, what the hell are you doing?
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: I just I don't understand, Like, who, who freaking cares
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: it's a twelve man tech match? Like what is the
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: problem here? Like why is this a thing?
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: Because people have it in their head that if they
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: don't care for something, that they're the only one that matters.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: That's the problem with the Internet with people who reply
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: to these they think, oh, well, it's a twelve man match.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: I don't want to see it because I don't like
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: twelve That's what you can turn the damn channel.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: That's what's going to happen.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: Like, and you know what, they don't care.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: There are matches every week on every show that I
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: don't care about, all right, that's the nature of pro wrestling.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: You turn on any pay per viewer, there's like two matches.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't care about these people. Whatever. Some
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: people might not for me, whatever. Like if I'm if
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: the implication is if every match isn't up my you know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: right up my alley, then I'm going to change the channel.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: That is the most cynical view to being a pro
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: wrestling fan. If you don't like these guys in the
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: sixth man, wait the twenty minutes for the match to
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: be over or whatever, like who cares. It's pro wrestling,
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Just like who cares? This is not a thing. This
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: is not something people need to be upset or worked
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: up about.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: And the people that are if you watch the match,
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: the people that are in Cincinnati who are going to
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: be paying to watch the match, are going to love
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: it because it's going to be.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Care everything they went there to see. Let me address that.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Let me address that. You said Sudden that the people
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: on Twitter, the people on Discord, and the people on
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Reddit are a very very very small sampling size of
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: AW fans, And I agree with that. You know what's
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: a smaller sampling size of AW fans. The nineteen hundred
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: people they're gonna be there're eighteen hundred or seventeen. I
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: think it's seventeen hundred, to be honest with you, because
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: that's what the capacity of that that arena is. The
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: seventeen hundred people they're gonna be in the stands for
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: in Cincinnati to watch that twelve man match. Yeah, you're
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: gonna make you probably will make those seventeen hundred people happy,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: at least I hope it will be. I mean, that's
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: not a good argument. That's not a good argument, buddy.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: There are going to be so many more people that
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: watch it, because that guarantee more people watch The last
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: two weeks, there's been more people that watch aw on
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: on Max or on TNT than can ever reply on
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: the on the internet. Because these people don't care about
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: the Internet. They don't care what they say on on Twitter.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: They don't care.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Well, wait a minute, are they at the icon?
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know, now it's a music center or something.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah, that's the icons that Andrew J. Brady
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: music Center.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: It's Its capacity is forty five hundred indoor in eight
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: thousand outdoor.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: It the setup is seventeen hundred or something like that.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: For all right, Yeah, that's the second.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: What is the thief? People like, what is the actual
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: problem with this match? That it's it's twelve people, It's
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: that there's certain people in that they don't want or
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: there was some decision at some point that anything over
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: a six man tag is not allowed, or like, what
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: what is the actual thing?
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Well, I think a lot of it has to do.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: First of all, if you give me the opportunity to
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: make a couple of points, Yeah, one of the things
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: that's that one of the things that that's bad about
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: this match that people don't really like about it is
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: that the Death Writers, which is so damn awful. I mean,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: the people it's it's not over and consistently shoving the
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Death Writers down your throat is not going to make
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: them better. You know, in my opinion, anything less than
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: somebody getting a hand severed with a saw during this
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: match is going to make this match of failure. You know,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: it's as simple as that. I mean, it's like something
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I'd say that in that that isn't over the top
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: kind of thing. They need something over at the top.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: So much happened at the end of this match or
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: during this match, because if it's just another match, people
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: are getting bored. The second thing is all right, you
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: have the Death Writers teaming with the Learning Tree, John
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Moxley teaming with Chris Jericho, which makes no sense at all.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: These two are the bitterest of rivals in a w
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: They've gone to war, they've bled buckets going against each other.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: They and now just for a match, they're putting them together.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: The Death Riders and the Learning Tree of Bled Buckets
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: fighting each other.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Was there that said, I said John Moxley and Chris
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Jericho buckets.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Having as the leader of the Learning Tree.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: It's based off of the last week's Collision. What happened
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: at the end. You had the Death Writers and Jericho
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: going up against f rated r FTR. That's what it
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: came down to. Yeah, there were some intermingling, but it's
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: because they're having the FTR team on one side and
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: the two people that are get some as a group
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: on the other side. It'll probably break down afterwards and
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: it'll be every man for himself and Death Writers will
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: destroy the Learning Tree. But that's the point. How do
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: you know what the hell is going to happen? Did
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: somebody see the taping on Thursday already or see the
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: notes on what's going to happen? Because everybody's making your
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: decision based on what they think is gonna happen.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Here's Sutton. Here's the thing. If you go by and
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: again the small fraction of the fans, there are a
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: lot of fans who simply tuned out for that match
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: on Collision last week because they have no interest in
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: this whole story. I'm one of these.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: I didn't see it.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't see it. I didn't care time, but I
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: made a joke saying, I hope that this six man
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: or this twelve man tag match, is that the is
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: the main event on Collision because I've got something I've
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: got to do early Sunday morning, and I'd like to
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: go to bed early. And that's not what you want
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: your fans saying and thinking, I have zero interest in
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: this match, less than if I can have less than zero,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: was physically possible to have less than zero interest in
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: this match. I would have less than zero interest in
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: this match. The only thing to get pirk my interest
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: is that when I read about it or watch, you know,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: highlights on Twitter or YouTube or whatever, is the proverbial,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: you know, figuringly speaking, somebody getting their hand hacked, the
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: hacks out off. Because other than that, nothing, nothing makes,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: nothing matters. I'm sorry, it just doesn't.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: I can't wait to see that match. I think it'll
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: be a great met just like if you chance at
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: Marx might not be champion come Saturday.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I really, I really hope that Hobbs wins. You
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: remember when you remember the moment in WCW when Goldberg
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: beat Hulk Hogan, Sure, or you know that was a
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: turning point in WCW for me because it showed me
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: that anything can happen. And you know, everybody wanted Goldberg
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: to win that match. Not many people thought he was
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: and when it happened, it just made everybody feel good.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: It revitalized the fandom. That's what AW needs to do,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: is they need to revitalize the fandom. And you don't
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: really revitalize the fandom by putting out the same shit
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: every single week.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: I read different. I read something that somebody tweeted. I
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: think it was it was either on Twitter Blue Sky
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: probably Blue Sky that I think is really apt here
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: and it gets into I think part of the problem
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: that Kelso's or Kelson's experiencing and anything other fans are
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: so The thing I saw was that people aren't frustrated
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: with AAW. They missed when it was new, and I
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: think that is part of the problem with AAW now
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: as well. When we fell in love with it early
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: on it was new. Everything was exciting because we didn't
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: know what was going to happen. We didn't know the hierarchy.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: We didn't have to worry about certain stars being protected
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: because the stars hadn't been defined yet. It was new,
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: it was the alternative, and it was delivering on the
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: promise of what we all wanted pro wrestling to be.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: It is now a five year old promotion. It is
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: not new anymore. And because it is not new now
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: is there is a pecking order in a hierarchy of stars.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: I don't mean this in a political sense. Backstage, I
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: mean from a storytelling sense. There's concern about making certain
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: people look too weak and keeping people elevated. And when
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: you have an immature creative team, and I mean that
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: in the experience and talent standpoint, not from immature people
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: get you get stuck. You get stuck in that rules
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: and that overprocess, and you get paralyzed of making new stars.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: And that's why I was hitting they have to make
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: new stars. If they continued to do that instead of
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: only doing one a year, I think it would address
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: a lot of the problems we have, and a lot
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: of the problems Kelson's feeling is that that newness is gone.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: You always have to be elevating somebody, You always got
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: to be making something new, making something exciting.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: And.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Geographers feeling we miss quote unquote well.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: And the thing that comes in there is when when
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: you get something. You know, everybody for the longest time
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: complaining because a w didn't have long term match storylines.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: All they ever did was a match. At the time,
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: they didn't do very many long term things. Now they're
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: doing long term things, and everybody's going, oh, this is
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: taking too long. Oh we can't You can't please everybody
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: because they either wanted one way or they wanted another way,
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: and instead of rolling with it and seeing where things go.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: For example, I have a feeling that with it on
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: Thursday to stiff or laughing up the death Rider's storyline,
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: which it will not kill if the if Hobbes does
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: beat Moxley, it will just make it even more intense.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: And there's a very good chance, with the way they've
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: been treating Hobbes, that Moxley gets beat on Wednesday, And it'd.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Be fantastic to see Tony actually take some liberties and
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: storytelling on a dynamite, you know, like and Dynamite has
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: been dynamite. It has been exceptional. But I mean like, well,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: but we all because of how storytelling has been so
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: driven into us in the past two years. Like you
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: made a very strong point in that, you know, the
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: at the you know, Inception of aw everything was so
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: fresh and new. It was like rediscovering professional wrestling for
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: some of us. So like, yeah, I mean, I don't
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: the idea is a beautiful thing that that Hobbs drops
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: this belt off of Mox. I just don't see it happening,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: you know, I I think, and I think that's something
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: that you know, the fandom is actually you know that
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: that's another thing that's buying into its stagnating. You know,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: like we are so disposed to believe that these things
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: are going to happen, then to see them happen and
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: then we'll see you next week. We know what's going
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: to happen. So I just I don't think that I
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: honestly don't think that Hobbs is going to drop this
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: belt off the box. I think this is good.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Can't lose this match. He needs to, he can't. He
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: doesn't have to win. But Hobbs can't lose this match.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, so it's gonna be another no.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: No, it doesn't have to you can do it. So
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: there is a no winner, a double out in a
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: way that is biable. The men are just exhausted, you
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: can establish. Hobbs went toe to toe with mocks. But
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: you got to beat the chap and they both fell.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: You know, that's the way you can. Yeah, yeah, I
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: mean that's it's a he didn't beat him. He didn't
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: beat him. So now because Hobb was in the twelve man,
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: you keep that going. That rematch is going to be
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: something because he went toe to toe. Nobody want this
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: is going to you know, So there you've got something
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: you can continue to build and push that guy with.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: I don't Shane, you're shaking your heads. You may not disagree,
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: may not agree with the direction, but I'm just trying
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: to come up, you know, ideas on how you can
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: keep a guy hot without beating him, but also not
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: dropping the title off the guy. You're not ready to
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: take it off of yet.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Man, your perspective is fresh. My only objection to that
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: would be, you have nine other guys that are going
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: after this title. They're trying to build stories on top
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: of right now, and they're all involved in this six
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: man tag, this ted tag match. Almost all of them
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: are involved in it. It's it's it's a hard thing
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: to have to swallow and then digest on top of it.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Do I think that match?
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: Here's the thing about that, Shane, you still have another
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: month and a half, two months on most of them
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: before the next pay per view, so no decision has
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: to be made between now and then, and they have
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: that two months to wait. We out who's going to
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: be the next one to get this title, because if
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: you look at it and everything's been being said, Cope's
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: the one who thinks he's getting the next title shot. Okay,
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: he's not even thinking about the Hobbs match. Cope is like,
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: I'm couldn't take that title off a hob off off
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: of him. I'm not even he didn't even act like
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: he knows that that Hobbes match is happening tomorrow. So
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: you know, you have a two month period because it's
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: not till March to eight, so you have a little
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: over a month and a half. I mean, this is.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: If we're going to talk about pro wrestling psychology in
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: terms of like the fans, you're hanging on the end
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: of two different spectrums. I mean, is this going to
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: be great or is this going to be awful? And
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: there's nothing in between, like like like if I were
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Tony Khan, this is just me fantasy booking this, I
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: would drop this belt off a box on Wednesday. I
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: would shake up the death writer story. I'd give them
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: a reason to be a little more extreme and not
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: continue to doever the same guys. I wouldn't let Will
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Hobbs carry this until you know the pay per view
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: and then drop it off onto someone else. There's nothing
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: wrong with pingponging a championship around at all. I mean, like,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: think about how awesome it was for WWF in the
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: mid nineties when they did this shit like on a
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: regular basis, or WCW that never even hesitated to do
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: things like this on normal standard television programming.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: You should barely had the belt at all during that era.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: He barely held the belt.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: I think, I think what it comes down to, and
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: I think I mentioned just a couple of shows ago.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: I think Tony's problem when it comes to that kind
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: of thing is he doesn't want to be considered the same,
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. He thinks that if he's
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: been hung in the titles around that people are going
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: to compare him to the other company, and he doesn't
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: want that, So that's why he doesn't do it as much.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Who gives a fun who gives a bunch?
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Who cares I didn't agree.
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: I agree with you one hundred percent, but that's not
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: you know, it doesn't matter what we think, it's how
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: Tony looks at it. And that's so like.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: The key here is when I'm asked to describe professional wrestling,
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: I describe it as a fictional television show about a
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: combat sports league where all of the actors do their
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: own stunts. That's professional wrestling. And it doesn't matter if
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: it's Law and Order. It doesn't matter if it's Severance,
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: it doesn't matter if it's aw Dynamite. We tune in
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: for the drama. You have to make it compelling. You
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: have to give us a reason to care that this
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: stuff's going on. It's okay you can have a squash
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: match because you're trying to get a new character introduced
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: or whatever. But that's why we tune in. It's the
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: same as any other TV. So if you don't have
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: compelling characters and storylines right now, and that's a problem
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: at the top, everybody's saying it. Nobody really cares about
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: the death writers because it feels like a storyline they
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: started with then they screwed something up and they don't
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: know what to do. With it, and they're floundering like
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: they plan to do something else different. It's going nowhere.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: But you have to keep this stuff compelling. You have
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: to keep those stories in there. And one way to
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: make compelling television is making a lot of new stars
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: and making stuff exciting. If it's compelling, and you can
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: think of a way to drop the belt after six
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: weeks or after three months or nine weeks or whatever,
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: it doesn't really matter. Just make it compelling. Nobody is
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: going to care other than the nerdiest of the nerds.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Oh he only held it for six weeks. Since nobody cares,
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: it's fake. Make it compelling. You do that, we're going
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: to be.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Happy, exactly. I agree with that.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: All right, I'll get off. I rambled too long. They're
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: my apologies.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about something fun, honestly, let's talk about
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: something fun. Because to night on Dynamite we've got the
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Women's Casino Gauntlet, which was urban who is going to
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: be the number one contender and face Mariah May at
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Grand Slam in Australia. Now I think it's fun to
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: look at because I thought the men's Casino Gauntlet simply
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: by how many people they brought out, and not only
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: by how many people they brought out, but they were viable.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: They were viable. I thought that was really good and
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: I really hope that they do the same kind of
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: thing with the women's Gauntlet. Now, we could go ahead
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: and say that most people, and this is just my opinion,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I believe most people believe two things. One is that
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Tony Storm is going to win this Women's Casado Gauntlet tonight.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Two is that she's probably going to win the Women's
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: World Championship at Grand Slam in Australia. In my opinion,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: that would be a mistake. What I'd like to see
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: is for somebody else with the Casaando Gauntlet tonight for
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: the women and maybe when that match at at Grand Slam. Okay,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: but then the question would be, all right, what do
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: you do with Tony Storm? Tony Storm versus Mercedes Monet
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: is like, right there, it's right there, that's what you do.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: That's my opedia. I wanted to ask you guys, who's
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: gone first.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: Here's the reason why Tony Storm and Mercedes anytime soon.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: Because Tony is in rookie mode. She's not even close
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: to thinking about going after any title. She's just happy
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: to be there. She's happy to be facing these people
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: who he looks up to. So going and getting a
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: title shot for her in the next couple of months
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: makes no sense. I think she's gonna come out. I
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: think she's gonna do well in the She's gonna last
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: for a while. She might come out third or fourth.
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: I think that I personally think that Statlander's gonna win it,
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: but I hope she doesn't because if she wins it
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: and doesn't beat Mariah for the title, there's no sense
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: in being Statlander anymore because that will be the third
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: time or the third championship in a row that she
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: will have lost when she should have had a title
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: by now. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And of all the women
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: in the company that deserves a title for the things
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: that they've done for the company since they've come back
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: from injury, it's Statlander. She's put up and done the
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: most for the company until until me uh Tony got
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: started on her thing, and before Mercedes came along, she
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: was to go to and they pretty much ain't been giving.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Her any props for that at all.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: But I think, I don't know, it's just it kind
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: of worries me that this is the first time they're
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: doing a women's gauntlet mass like this, But it could
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: be really, really, really good. But I just have a
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: feeling and it's gonna be really short.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: I have I'm lovey man, I really do. Fellow. Uh,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: we're in We're in leagues in terms of being like
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Chris Stat fans like, she's probably my probably my favorite
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: a W women's wrestler. Do you think that Stat has
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: done more work than Willow?
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: Oh, definitely, because.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Longer I love Sad.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: That's been a lot more around longer will doing it
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: for two years before Willow came in.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Willow has been taken l's for a e W consistently
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: back to back to back to bad. The only reason
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: that stats in the conversation right now is because she
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: came back from injury into Tony decided to put rocket
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: straps on her, and which is also like to be fair,
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: like it's not really putting. It's not really strapping rockets
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: to a person. If you're gonna have them lose the
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: same title three times in a row on pay per views,
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, dude, like, I'm sorry, it's Stat. I'm
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: not gonna say status cooked, I'm not, but I mean
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: like it's time for her to step aside at or
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: at least pursue things that are more relative to the
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: story that they put her in. Willow is the inaugural
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: New Japan's Strong Women's World Champion. She had in spite
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: of the fact that she got that belton of fluke,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: she carried it with pride and honor, defended it like
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: a champion. And and again I in terms of I'll
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: look at I'll look it up right now, I Willow
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: is taking way more l's than stat way more way
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: more like.
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: But the point the problem with that is it's not
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: it's not an a W title. That title has absolutely
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: none to do with her career in a title.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Then then well then let's talk about the TBS because
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: it's not that hard of a pivot. No Blue dude,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: like I I believe, I believe that in terms of
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: this uh, this battle royale, that if Tony really wanted
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: to shake up the women's locker room, he'd put that
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: belt right back on Tony Storm. He'd have her get
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: knocked into her next personality and let that person be
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: a tyrant in the locker room and have it pitched
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: that way, and anyone that tried to come after her
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: would just get slapped down. Treat Tony Storm like a
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: w's women's roman reigns like that would be smart. That
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: would be a smart angle to run, because it would,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: it would the title. It gives relevance to the title.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, shamee. But so you're saying that you think
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: that Tony Storm should win the Gauntlet tomorrow night.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, one hundred percent.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Grand Slam. Yeah, oh yes, it's dable. I mean that
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: would be the most the most predictab.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Rome is split right now. You just literally had something
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: less than five minutes say hey man, you can't have
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Tony take that belt off because she is in rookie
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: mode right now. The whole entire argument is that that
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: wrestler is still in Tony Storm, and that it's one
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: of her many personalities. Yeah, I mean, like that's.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: It's not a personality. It's not a personality. It's a
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: complete mental break. She doesn't know. She's not switching between personalities.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: She's completely broke. She's gone from beating the old Tony
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: Storm to being someone who existed from the She's worse
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: than broking. Matt Hardy. She's completely she had a complete
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: mental break. She has no clue about any of the
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: other stuff. She is rookie.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: She's conversation we've ever had on this podcast.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: She is going to be in the locker room cheering
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: herself up, and the camera is going to turn around
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: and there's going to be a double me and she's
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: going to see your reflection and it's going to be
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: timeless in the mirror, and she's going to say, chin up,
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: tits out and watch for the shoe, and Tony is
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: going to march out there and then we'll see, we'll
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: get the truth of what that is. But that's not
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: my point here. Tony Storm is winning the Battle Royal
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: and she's she's winning the title in Australia. That has
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: been and that is fine. It is fine, It is
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: perfectly fine. Pro wrestling is about making moments. It is
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: something WWE excels at, coming back to my earlier point,
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: because they are a media company that puts on professional wrestling.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: They know how to do that. They know how to
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: build those moments. This moment has been written since they
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: announced that show. They're going to do the storyline that
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: leads up to it, and I'm with Shane, it's going
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: to be great if the next that I said earlier
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: that they have a problem with that follow up delivers,
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: and you got to deliver with something big. It's got
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: to be a whole character change. It's got to be
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: some huge deal. Otherwise it's going to be a failure.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: And I'd be with Hugh Calson. It's the right booking,
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: But whether or not it's going to be a success
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: depends completely on what they do afterwards.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if Tony Storm was not even
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: in the Gauntlet tomorrow or on Dynamite. I surprised. I
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: wouldn't that way. She did make it sound that way.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: She's like, I'm gonna now, yeah, now, but.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: With what's going to be the last entrance, she's going
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: to go ahead.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Let me finish. As Barry said, I said, when you're
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: talking about Tony Storm, which Tony Storm are we talking about?
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: Hm?
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: You know, so Tony Storm may not be in this,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: but timeless Tony Storm may be in it.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: A royal rumble. I I called this, I did call this, You.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Did do cack this jack mankind and thing, whoa.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Wait, she wins in the interviewer the next week back
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: in the Tony the Rookie persona, and she's like, what
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: do you mean? I don't know what you're talking about.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: I was in the Battle Royal Center shot like this.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Could be brilliant.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: Who's built?
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Don't do something that's that's They've got something that's unpredictable.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: This is it, this is it.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: She has to have a complete severance between the personalities,
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: just like on the TV show Severence, Like they have
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: no they have no knowledge any of them exists. But
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: what would be the thing that triggers the changes as
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: if you get hit on the head or like, what
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: what does it?
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: I like your idea just staring in the mirror and
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: seeing her face?
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you never like Moonnight. They can't remember.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: When you have a character that's so batshit crazy, you
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: could get away with anything. Oh yeah, but okay, let's
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: take to brilliant. Oh my god, that's let's take time
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: to Storm and Tony Storm out of the equation here.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Now Son's already said that he thinks, I if it's
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: not Tony Storm that Christatlander is going to win, who
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: would be your pick? Not Tony Storm? Then you think
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: who would you like to see get that spot? If
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: it is a Tony Storm any iteration of Tony Storm.
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: Harley came because he's from Australia, Australian. Yeah, who did you?
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Who did you say?
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: Sundon?
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: That woman amazes me in this whole new way, Like
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: he's a character. She shouldn't exist.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: Crazy, She's the crazy. She's the crazy one. She should
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: get the title shot because they put on a hell
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: of the match last week on the Collision and she's
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: from Australia and she would be the one if I
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: was going to give it to somebody out of any
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: of the women, they could, They could be a good
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: story for it. It would be hard. Cameron an a J.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: And a J. Okay, one of the drugs? Did you
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: say anybody?
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: No? I didn't. I'm really thinking about this, Okay, Well.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: What were you gonna say, Shane.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: One of the best women's matches this year was Mariah
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: May and and a J and that death match. My god,
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: that match ruled. And Anna J like I get it
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: now that post dark order at a J hasn't really
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: connected with a lot of audiences, but she's incredibly talented.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have my own pick my picks a little
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: bit different, but go ahead. I mean, have you thought
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: of anybody bury or you just want the one?
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of just going back and fourth on. I'd
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: love to see a Tina and just heat it up,
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: but I don't think she crosses that that rubicon yet.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: I just uh, yeah, I'd like to see her get
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: in there and tear it up for six or for
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: a month two and a half months leading up to
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: that pay per view.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: I really want to see a moment tomorrow night.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: And if it's not timeless Tony Storm or Tony Storm,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: I would like to see something unexpected happen and not
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: something unexpected in that Oh that person came out of
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: nowhere and wanted that a lot of people probably didn't
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: think that she deserved it. I want it to be
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: I can't believe this woman showed up and holy crap
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: she wanted And yeah, we've got a we got a
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: beggar coming up. You got to make it by you, Tani.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: I want to see my you show up tomorrow night,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: and I want to see a couple of apes, wrestlers
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: and even a maybe you know, presephone from CMMOU show up.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: But I want to see somebody unexpected and deserving win
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: this match. Mayu said she wanted to wrestle in ae W.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: She wanted to do some matches over here. Well, this
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: would be a match for her to work in and
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: she could win it. And can you imagine Mariah By
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: and Mayui Watani in Grand Slam? Uh? I'm there for that.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: I love.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: This chaos.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd like to see some you know, one or
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: two stardom wrestlers and the CMMO performer in there for sure,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: But I don't want any of them to win this.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: I this, this is a this is a this is
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: a big show and it needs to be. The women's
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: title match needs to be I think like an a
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: W s are in my opinion, it shouldn't be a
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: third party.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think that. I don't think the Grand Slam
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: is the biggest show as Revolution.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: I mean it's a state I mean it's a stadium show.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: It's a smaller stadium, but it's still a big show.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: But the aview it's not a pay per view.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: It's just it's like it's like Crown Jewel for w W.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: E that one of those big shows.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: It's just like when we went to to the Arthur
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: Ash Stadium in New York. I mean, it's just a
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: it's a it's a it's no different than Maximum Carnage.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: It's just it is.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: It's a it's a third show and it's five hours long.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: It's it's a it's a big show. I mean, it's
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: a pay per view. It may not be streamed as one,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: but they're they're booking it as a as a as
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: a pay per view. It's not just like an episode
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: of Dynamite or Collision. It's a anyway like seven or
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: eight matches on that.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, the point is is that it's
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: going to be interesting. That match tonight is one of
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: the matches is probably the match the women's Gauntlet matches,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: probably the match that I'm looking forward to the most.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm stoked because it's.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Got all kinds of possibilities, it's got creative and I
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: would love to see. Just last week, I even mentioned
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: that this is this could be a catalyst for form
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: for forming and tightening up tag teams for women's Tag
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: Team Championships that people have been asking for for a
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: while now. Not a lot of people are into that,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: but there are a lot of people that are into
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: the women's Tag Team Championship and this could really set
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: things off.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: Did you see the promo package they put they put
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: out for it, and it's.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Renee I've seen I don't know which.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: It's like a three minute video package they put together.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: I think it was on what I saw on Blue
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: Sky It's it's good, especially when you when they clip
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: together the clips and they talk a little bit about
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: the different performers that could be in it. You forget
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: I'll stack the women's roster is and how many good
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: performers they have, and I'm with you, like it's uh.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, this match is always exciting. AW has shown
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: that they don't mess around with it, like this is
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: their match and they do not take it for granted.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: So they have shown they are going to book it
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: really really good, and I'm gonna trust that and say
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: I expect this match tomorrow or tonight to be really
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: really good.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean there's been names like Cabille tossed out there,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: you know, people saying that is would Camille show up
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Sky Blue. I know she's been training. I don't know
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: she's cleared or if she's ready yet. I kind of
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: doubt it. I would expect her back until around May.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: But hey, she's young, so she they heal faster. You know, Hey,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: maybe even Eddie Kingston will show up, you know, dressed.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: And did you see the pictures of Eddie Kingston training
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: this week? He's in training. Yeah, the guy. The guy
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: looks like he hasn't showered or shaved since he got injured.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just he's just his beard is just
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's impressive because.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: He's got he is he's he has a thick beard too,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: Like so is it just like Grizzly Adams bushy everywhere?
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Oh it's it's literally, you know, and he and you
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: kind of tell that he's put on some pounds too, so.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: He's kind of like did you see did you see
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: what Ned said in the cat about the women's Gauntlet?
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: No made that she predicted Christian Cage catches in it gets.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: I have the greatest women's champion of all time, undisputed. Yea,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: I haven't put over stat there you go.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: That is so funny.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, man, God, I love you. Oh boy.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: I saw that. I had to mention that that just
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: that just cracked me.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: You know, I want to bring up something that's been happening,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: and that's the whole Malachi Black House of Black, a
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: parent breakup. Now. I've said several times that when it
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: comes to Malachi Black, I don't believe anything until Malachi
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: Black says something. He's had apple opportunity to say something
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: about what's going on, and he frankly hasn't really, So
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of along the lines now where either this
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: is a huge work or Malachi is gone. And I
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: mean we've at all, we've seen the House of Black
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: kind of becoming a little bit more. I don't know
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: how to put a baby face at all. In they were,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: you know, clapping back, shaking hands, congratulating the winners. They
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: continue to do that throughout except for Julia Hart. She's
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: still a bitch.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: I only got one thing to say about this. It's it,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: you know, you're waiting for you waiting for me to
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: say the thing.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, if he's going, hey man, see you on NXT.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: Good luck never winning a ww World championship in the
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: next five years. Have fun being in a company that
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: will never frontrun you because you have tattoos and you're
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: not a conventional looking big man. Oh I'm sorry, your
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: your wife works there, right, well, have fun with her.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: How she's doing really great things for herself being in
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: a stable with a bunch of other latinos that she's
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: been doomed in for the past two years. I think
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: that's a little I mean, hey, it's very cynical.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like, let me let me temper this a little bit.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: Like this comes just what I was saying earlier, like
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: who cares man like Malick? I I don't have a
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: problem with them. I don't know why they never put
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: him in a singles push. I'm sure there were reasons.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: He was a Triple H guy. They let him go.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: Anybody should have hired him. Tony was smart to hire him.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: I'm fine with what they did. It was pretty clear
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: to me when they started letting the guys act more
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: like babyfaces. Brody's been over. People want to cheer these guys.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: They started to let him do that. That's when I
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: knew Malachi's on his way out. He's probably wanted to
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: go back to WWE since Paul got better, Triple God,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: I can't call him. Paul Triple H gets got back
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: in charge and his wife works there, and whether he's
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: going to be a star or not. That's just where
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: he wants to be. So like, I don't see the problem.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: Just just go where you want to be. And part
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: of being fans is speculating about this stuff because it means, well,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: how are they going to change booking? What happens to
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: these people? I don't understand why people get upset talking
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: about that either, Like they're just performers, are going to
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: go to where they want to go. Like the Luca Brothers,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: they felt they'd done everything they could in aw they
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: wanted to do some new stuff that wasn't going to
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: be possible there.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: They went to WWE.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's just wrestling, man, That's what happens.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's just say that Malachi Leeves. What's next
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: for the House of Black.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: I don't think it changes. I think I think Brodie
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: takes the leading. It's the three of them.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, tag team, let them run like you know, they
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: just like they don't all have to be like with
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: a figurehead. They can be more of a nu Jaban
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: type of stable where it's just a bunch of dudes.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: They got each other's back. They can go as a
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: tag team, or Brody can get a singles run or
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: Buddy can get a singles run with a belt like
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: they're all over, just push them like guys they just
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: happen to be in the stable.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what is that? What is that that people do that?
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: Why does every stable have to be like they are
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: always wrestling with each other all the time or in
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: that kind of a stable when you can't just have
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: guys that are like hanging out and are part of
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: a group but are still individuals. I don't get that.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: I always liked how New Japan where the stables come
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: out and unless their House of Torture, they're just kind
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: of their cheering their bros on. There isn't a lot
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: of you know, interference and stuff, but it's just a
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: different way of presenting. But you know, I don't know,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: Back, one of the things about House of Black that
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: is kind of putting people maybe a little bit of
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: confusion is the babyface turn almost I guess you could
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: say of Buddy Matthews and Brody King. However, it was
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Julia Hart back Dark in the Dark days. She did
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: a promo on Dark and I'm going off the top
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: of my head here, but basically what she said, she's
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: she said, whyired a house of Black so evil? And
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: her answer to that was, who said anything about being evil?
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: We're just people that enjoy violence. Then she further went
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: on to say, good people could do bad things and
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: bad people could do good things. It's all perspective. So
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: even Julia Hart, even though out of all three the
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: remaining members of a House of Black, Julia Hart is
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: definitely the most heelish, I guess you could put you
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: could say, but even then she's not really a heel.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: She's still more of a tweeter.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: They never did like evil stuff though, Like they didn't
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: light anybody on fire. They didn't put you know, I
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: mean like they were heels in the sense that they
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: wrestled like heels. But they even didn't do cheap heel stuff.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: There weren't a lot of rough bumps things like that.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: Julie would spit people's faces. But they were just bad guys,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: you know. And it was a different approach to a
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: heel because they weren't like devilish or evil heels. They
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: were just bad guys. They were just the big bruiser
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: bad guys you're supposed to boo. And it wasn't really
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: much more complicated than that that they did occasional spooky
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: stuff that was cool with the lights go ahead, but.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: They were fighting with honor. That was the whole angle.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: You know, like we're doing this not because we want to,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: because we feel that that had a code, you know.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: And uh And I also wanted to point something out,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: like you were talking about Julia Hart and the House
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: of Black in a relationship to like heal behavior, and
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: then you said something about, you know, Buddy Matthews having
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: his call come up andce and having kind of like
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: a babyface turn. That's not a new thing. This started
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: back in Halloween, like during the Adam Cole match man
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: Buddy came out. I was like, hey man, you're better
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: than this. We see what you're capable of doing. Like
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: like they've been running this angle with Brody and Buddy
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: for like the past couple of months, so did did
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: It's it's.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: Been running this angle with Cody with Buddy and Rody
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: sends all in in August.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: People have wanted to cheer them, and they figured out
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: a way to let him start and the that's smart.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: So is is this a work? Is Malachi blackdn is
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: the case?
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: I think you're still on the second honeymoon.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: No, I think he's gone. I think I on, Yeah,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: he's on his way out. Like like again, like do
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: you don't find his like like, let's let's let's put
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: a let's put a it on the k fabe stuff.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: I believe that every single time he's ever hopped on
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: an Instagram live or a Facebook live or had to
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: respond to something happening in the dirt sheats, it's been
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: a bit, a bit, a bit disingenuous. Like you've had
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: the opportunity from day one to say, hey man, I'm
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: here and I'm doing this. You shouldn't wait until catastrophe
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: to say hey man, no, I'm here, because you know
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: you have to be Now, he has options in his contract.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: They could be activated from both angles. He has been injured.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: He could be sitting adult twenty twenty six, you know,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: or he could reactivate and do some more things. None
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: of those things have been clear, you know. It's the
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: same thing as Ray Phoenix. Like like, I believe that
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: Tony will hold on to him with the injury option
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: to prevent him from going over there and think about
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: like in in his most if we were just talking
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: about outside of wrestling, he just renewed his vows to
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: Selena Vega two weekends ago. What do you think was
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: happening at You'd think him and his wife don't talk
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: loog What if I came back over. What if we
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: could spend our time together full time? What if we
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: could focus on our combat sports Jim or our gym
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: or our business training other professional wrestlers, and that's all
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: centralized in Florida, around of territory that ww's built out
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: of his most his for his future, the most you know,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: the rewarding prospect would be to go back to the FED,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: even if he's never going to hold the belt. Yes,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: I was being cynical making that statement before, but in
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: the better interest in the future of his career being
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: with being a triple H guy works for him. I
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: just like Ethan Page, you know, I know I came
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: off as a dick before. I wish him well, same
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: as Penta. Dude, Sea have a good time over there.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Maybe you'll wrap back around. We could do cool things
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: with wrestling in the future when these two companies learned
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: how to actually work well together, which they could, you know,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: But again that's a topic for another podcast. But I
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: think he's gone. I think I think this is bon
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: bon bon voyage. I think they had the opportunity to
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: put a lid on this gracefully and they didn't do it.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: And now he's just doing what he wants to do
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: until he knows that he could start talking about talking
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: about what he actually wants to be doing.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: Right. I agree, I agree, I agree with you. I
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: do think he's gone. And I've been very much of
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: a proponent for stating emphatically wait until we hear from
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: Balachie Black before we jumped the conclusions. The fact to
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: the batter is we haven't heard from Malachi Black.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, even if he isn't gone and he takes
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: a two year hiatus then comes back or is gone
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: for eight months and comes back because of some obligation
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: in a contract or whatever, regardless, I mean, it doesn't
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: really matter. I think everything Shane articulated is something that
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: people forget when they talk about professional wrestling, and that
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: these are human beings and they make decisions based on
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: the type of life they want to live, not the
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: type of people we want to see in these characters
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: on this fictional television show we tune into multiple times
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: a week, you have to look at them as actors
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: and a television show and not as people politicking and
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: fighting for a top spot in a real combat league.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: They're going to make decisions that make sense for them
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: and for their families. It could be a financial decision,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: it could be a personal goal decision, all sorts of stuff.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: And the thing that always bugs me is when I
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: hear people like attack stuff people. And I know Shane
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: was being cynical earlier, That's why I called it out.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: It's just like, you know, they're just people, man, and
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: they're going to go where they want to go, and
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: fans shouldn't take this as a personal attack on them
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: because they're leaving their favorite promotion to go work somewhere else.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: A lot of these people, it's a very small community
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: of professional wrestlers. It may seem like it's a lot,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: but it isn't when you look at it as an industry,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: and everybody knows when you work for a boss you
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: like working for sometimes you'll go work for them again,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: even though it's for a less prestigious job or a
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: less prestigious position, because you enjoy working for them. And
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: that's what a lot of it it is. For when
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: people switch and move around too, they just think with
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: certain people, you know.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Plus they want to try new things too, Yeah,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean obviously Malachi Black has been in
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: that in the WWE before. But look the way I
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: look at it is this, if Malachie Black comes back
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: to AW or if he never leaves AW, I'm happy.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: Not that it means anything to him, but I respect him.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: I really do. I mean that sincerely. Again, he probably
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: doesn't care if I respect him or not. He's going
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: to do what he wants to do, and that's fine.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying is that if he goes to WWE, man,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: I wish him the best of luck, and I want
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: him to be what his perception of being successful. I
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: want him to get what he wants out of it.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: It's as simple as that. Let's move on to our poet,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: pride to pope. Pre resection is where we can bring
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: up anything that we've already talked about, say something else
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: or just something new off the top of our head,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: off on top of our heads for anything in pro wrestling. So,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: is there anybody who wants to go first?
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: I'll be fun, I'll be quick, go ahead, go ahead,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: I'm scrolling uh pro wrestling news right now, and Penta
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: just did just did a photo shoot with George Kittle
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: from the Forts, and it's well, they're friends.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: I love their relationship. That's something.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're they're friends in real life and they
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: they have a great relationship and they were both injured
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: for half a year, so like, uh yeah, no, it's
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: fun that that's this is the real world connecting to
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: the things that I love and it's great to see
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: man have fun. Yeah, good luck, good luck in the
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: playoffs forty nine ers.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: Doctor J Man. We just lost all of our San
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: Francisco fans. Going with that, I do want to say something.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to piggyback on you. There, go ahead.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: Well, a W just also lost all their PETSA fans, and.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: We have a very strong uh you know, following an
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: a W fan hub, somebody posted a there's been more
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: than one post about Peta going to w W and
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: a W fans. You know, I got to give them credit.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: A W fans are the type where with Panta you know,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: and others, you know, with anybody that's left, you know,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: J Cargill, Uh uh gosh, who's who else has got
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: from a W two Brian Page, Well, seem punk. We're
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: not going to talk about punk started that guy.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: But the thing but the thing is is that in
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: true form, a W fans have been exclusively I haven't
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: seen anybody talk bad about Panta. Yeah. Everybody is luck,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: you know, best of success, and a W fans do that.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: Did you see did you see that Gable match? It
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: was great?
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I think I think I didn't see some of that.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: Some of that is because I've said this before that
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: a W fans are professional wrestling fans first, AW fans second,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: just like we so we do have a different perspective.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: In general, there are going to be idiots out there
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: that hate because they're just they're mar super marks or
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: whatever fandom extremes that are going to be shitty to
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: people who leave. But most of us, the vast majority,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: are pro wrestling fans first, and we want to see
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: performers we like succeed, and if it means going somewhere
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: else for them, great, We're still going to tune in
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: and watch them because they're great, and if we don't
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: like them, we'll change the channel, you.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: Know, right, Well, does anybody else have a potpourri that
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: they want to bring up.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: I got one. What in that? Til? Is everybody making
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: such a big damn deal about All in Texas being
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: WWE scheduling a Saturday Night's main event on the same night. Hell,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: it's Saturday Night, WWE's worst show they ever do. It's Saturay,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: nice main event.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: Who cares?
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: You have anything good on there?
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: At least they didn't run a house show the same
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: night like they did here in Orlando the Night of World.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: People were going crazy.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: Who cares?
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: People? It's just like the people they are going to
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: go to a w w W show are the people
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: that are generally not going to go to an a
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: W show, and vice versa. I see a lot of people,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: I see a lot of w W fans say that
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: they're watching all in and they're gonna d v R
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: Saturday Nights made an event and then what was.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: I think I don't think this is a real thing.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: This is this is very online. This is a very
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: online thing. It is not something normal people care about exactly.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: I think Someton's right. It's it's just it's not a
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: thing you.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: Have one of the congratulations to the van v Erics.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: They are officially a.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: W now, oh good for those Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: They were on a they were on the H part
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: time or the per per use contract than they are
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: now all elait So that's kind of cool, some young blood.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: If you're going to try the tag should go ahead.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: Kelson, I'm sorry, Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah, I'm
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: totally all boared with that. They're great. I enjoyed everything
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: that I've seen from them.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: That's just took. They have better luck than the rest
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: of the famely.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah please, yeah, look already wasted.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll wrap up here. So I mentioned the show
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: already once before, but I'm super excited. Friday is season
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: two's premiere of Severance on Apple TV or Apple Plus
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: or whatever it's called. If you like hard science fiction,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: it is a fantastic drama. It's one of those shows
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: where you only need to watch the first episode. You'll
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: know if you like it or you won't. You don't
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: have to go good to get six episod now none
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: of that. You like it or you won't, And if
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: you like it, you're gonna be really excit about Friday.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: So I can't wait for season two.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: Just who's the number one contender for the belt there
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: on that show.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know, man, there's such a cliffhanger at the end.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, well I have a potpourri. Uh. It's kind of
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: a two parter, but they're basically both the same.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: They were actually doing a free count at the end
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: of the show too, like literally they were counting down
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: and it ended.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: So so over the weekend, we saw Athena defend her
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: Forever Championship against Decla and Stardom.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if you saw the match, it
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: was it was a really good match. H After the
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: match the started, people the started, fans started chanting Athena's name,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: and I mean she was balling her eyes out. I
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: mean you could tell how much it meant to her.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: It was just seriously congratulations to Athena. But one of
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: the things that happened there. Uh, this is where the
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: Pope Mari comes in, is that we had two challenges
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: issued over the weekend. The first challenge was made by
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: Athena to THEKLA for rematch in the United States. So
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: maybe you know we mentioned somebody mentioned I think it
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: was Shane mentioned maybe at the Casino Gauntlet that Athena coming.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: No, that was Barry, but I would love to that
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: was Barry. That was Barry.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: I would love to see it too.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: And there's book comes in and like Sad earlier, you
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: can use that and they can take care of themselves.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: Maybe THEKLA comes in the other one that was I
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: don't know how to feel about this. Another challenge was
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: issued in the women's division, and over the weekend, the
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: challenge was issued to Mercedes Monette by Mina Shirakawa.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I really don't know how to feel
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: about that because I love me to Shira Kala, but
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: I'm hired to see her lose a big matches so always,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: you know, she deserves better. If they do this match
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: and she loses, I'm rioting. I may be the only
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: person rioting and I'll probably get killed, but I'm rioting.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: I'm literally gonna go to the bus stop and just riot.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: Mena's not penning Mercedes.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's to the point where
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: I love me to Shira Kala. I really have grown
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: to really, really really appreciate Mercedes Monette. I wasn't a
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: big fan when she first came into the into aw
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: but she is really growing up. I mean, she's put
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: on some of the best women's matches in the women's
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: division in the last just over the last couple of months,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: she's really come into her own.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: I have to.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: You know, I made fun of her when she came
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: into the aw for horrible promos and frankly subpar matches.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: But she's nail at her promos lately, and she's literally
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: having some of the best matches in the women's division
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: that you will be, that you will find. And on
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: top of that, she's traveling around the world promoting ae W.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: She was on the Cherry Sherry Shepherd Show. You know,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: she's out there. She's doing the work. I think fans
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: over whether you like Mercedes Monet or not, I think
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: she deserves some flowers. I really do. So, you know,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: that's that's what I wanted to say. Well, that's my potpourri,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: and that's that's the show. We will be back tomorrow night,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: right after Dynamite or tonight right after Dynamite. I keep
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: messing that up. I don't know. I don't know my days.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: We've already known that before. You should have heard me
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: make some introductions, you know, for for Tuesday night and
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: Wednesday night and got Tom messed up. But anyway, we
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: will be back tonight after Dynamite to do our Dynamite
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: review show. And I'm thinking we're gonna have fun. I
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: think that this is gonna be a fun show, especially
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: because other women's casino Gotlin match. That's the big one
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: for me. And hey, if something unexpected happens with Hobbes
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: and Moxley, I have a feeling we're gonna be popping
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: some champagne or doing some vodka shots. Eh, Shane.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: Whiskey. I'm not drinking, you guy, I have not drinking weeks.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: But if but if, yeah, swear to god, but if
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: Hobbs goes over, I'll drink one of that.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: There you go, We'll pop pop a beer whatever the rest.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: Of us, you know, good luck Hobbs Vodka whiskey, Roca.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'm going at a set kind of guy myself.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: So that stuff will burn you if you try to
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: do a shot of it. But anyway, there comes out
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: of your toes if you do a shot of that.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: But anyway, so that is the show for tonight. Guys,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: thanks for listening. We'll see you again after Dynamite forty
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: a w FANO podcast team. This is Kelson, good night, everybody,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: May you night, Sonton