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  SPEAKER_00: But I'm super glad that you're joining us today.
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  I think especially offensive minded coaches are really going to
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  enjoy today's show.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're diving into attacking,
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  switching defenses and some of the modern concepts used by
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  teams across the globe.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let me say here for those listening,
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  this is one of those episodes that you may want to go back and
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  watch at least parts
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  of this because we're going to have some visuals and some films
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  and coach is going
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  SPEAKER_00: So youtube.com slash Tony Miller coach, as well as on Twitter.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll try to post some of these on there as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: With that being said,
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  SPEAKER_00: coach,
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  SPEAKER_00: just to clarify here,
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  SPEAKER_00: when we say switching defenses,
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  SPEAKER_00: what are we referring to?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mostly am studying because I think it's a super interesting topic.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's trending both in Europe and in the NBA.
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  SPEAKER_01: The switching on ball screen action,
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  SPEAKER_01: because ball screen are the predominant source of offense,
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  SPEAKER_01: at least in Europe,
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  SPEAKER_01: but also in the NBA.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you see more and more switching,
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  SPEAKER_01: especially in the playoff,
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  SPEAKER_01: especially when teams get to know each other very well.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I haven't seen...
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  And I haven't come up with that either,
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  a good system to attack switching defense.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have coverage solutions for almost everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: We say,
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  SPEAKER_01: okay,
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  SPEAKER_01: against the hard edge,
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  SPEAKER_01: we're going to do this,
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  SPEAKER_01: like a short roll and blah,
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  SPEAKER_01: blah,
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  SPEAKER_01: blah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or against the drop coverage, we can have this set of tools.
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  SPEAKER_01: Against a switching defense, I've found that...
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  SPEAKER_01: There's more confusion in our mind, mine first.
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  So what I've been trying to study is different ways and how can
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  we teach it to our
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  SPEAKER_01: players in a way that's coherent,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: because maybe we have too many ideas sometimes and we say,
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  SPEAKER_01: oh,
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  SPEAKER_01: against the switching,
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  SPEAKER_01: you can do this and also this and this.
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  And then we are all over the place and we are not coherent and
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  clear with the players.
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  SPEAKER_01: What's the priority?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's personal-based.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's maybe time-based.
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  SPEAKER_01: How many seconds are there in the shot clock?
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  SPEAKER_01: It depends based on the opponents.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe they have a great big man who is able to stay with our guards,
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  SPEAKER_01: but their guards are switching in our big man.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not so physical.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there's a lot of different factors in that.
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  Do you feel like there are some main reasons why it can be hard
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  to attack switching defenses?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that a lot of the modern basketball offense is...
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  generated by putting two defenders on the ball can be usually
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  by ball screen or off
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  screen action basically imagine a ball screen you play against
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  drop coverage for a
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  moment you have two defenders taking care of the same offensive
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  player because one
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  defender is on my back and now the defender is in front of me
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  there's a roller
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  somebody's gonna help on the roller maybe somebody's gonna tag
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  a little bit and you
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  SPEAKER_01: can start
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  This dominoes or closeout session by passing through the open
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  man or against
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  SPEAKER_01: aggressive coverage,
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  SPEAKER_01: you have two defenders on the ball.
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  If you're able to pass the ball behind them,
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  you have a four against three.
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  With a switching defense,
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  you don't have those clear advantage in the beginning.
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  SPEAKER_01: You have a mismatch advantage,
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  SPEAKER_01: but you always have a defender,
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  SPEAKER_01: a bot in front of you,
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  SPEAKER_01: and you don't have those easy mechanisms to start dominoes,
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  SPEAKER_01: to start,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: incredible long passing and one dribble,
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  SPEAKER_01: one pass,
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  SPEAKER_01: one dribble,
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  SPEAKER_01: one pass session.
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  SPEAKER_00: I want coaches to think of this.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think you've described it this way,
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  SPEAKER_00: but what you're going to give us here is not like it's not its own thing.
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  You're suggesting actually that this be part of like our over
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  offensive philosophy.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I this isn't like, OK, here they're switching.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now we need to stop and do this differently.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is that is that right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
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  I think that as every coverage you have to add in your mind and
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  in the tool bag,
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  SPEAKER_01: in the toolkit of your team,
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  SPEAKER_01: the right tools to punish it.
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  SPEAKER_01: If the tools are coherent with
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  SPEAKER_01: For example,
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  if you're able to put some ideas that are good for drop
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  coverage and also for
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  SPEAKER_01: switching defense,
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  you are teaching one thing that's going to be useful in two
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  different situations.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, for example, I'm a big believer in against switching.
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  Just dive right into the topic to screen below the defender and
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  trying to make like
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  SPEAKER_01: a back pivot and be immediately available for the pass,
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  SPEAKER_01: starting the role.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that can be a situation where you can use a pocket pass.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's the same skill,
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  the same read that you can apply against a drop coverage
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  because it's the same type
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  SPEAKER_01: of pass.
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  Obviously,
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  if you're not able to do that,
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  you're going to start rolling deeper.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in that,
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  SPEAKER_01: we're going to start using the concept of triangles to try to,
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  SPEAKER_01: if you want to play for the mismatch inside.
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  SPEAKER_01: So for example,
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  SPEAKER_01: while the ball is flying to,
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  SPEAKER_01: let's say,
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  SPEAKER_01: my teammate on the back of the picker roll,
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  SPEAKER_01: Something that we stress for the big man is while the ball is flying,
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  SPEAKER_01: you have to keep contact with your man to seal.
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  Do not continue to move into space,
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  but while the ball is flying,
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  you have to keep contact.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this is useful for us both in drop coverage
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  SPEAKER_01: or against a switching defense.
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  So the more we are able to use concepts that are familiar to
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  our players,
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  the better it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: But obviously,
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  you have to introduce some concepts that are specific to
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  switching defense,
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  SPEAKER_01: as it is for aggressive coverages or drop coverage.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's go ahead and talk about some of those specifics.
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  Why don't you go ahead and talk about the principles for
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  attacking defenses?
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  Then in addition to that,
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  you can go ahead and show the film that goes along with it.
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  I'm sure that'll back up or explain further some of the things
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  you're talking about.
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  SPEAKER_01: So first of all,
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  SPEAKER_01: I will start by saying,
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  SPEAKER_01: before going to the video,
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  SPEAKER_01: that something that we are stressing all the time with our players,
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  SPEAKER_01: the first practice that we introduce is switching defense,
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  SPEAKER_01: is that too many times,
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  SPEAKER_01: especially in Europe,
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  SPEAKER_01: big men,
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  when they run to set a screen and they know that the defense is
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  going to switch,
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  SPEAKER_01: are kind of lazy.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they are going there,
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  SPEAKER_01: setting the screen,
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  SPEAKER_01: what we call accepting the switch,
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  SPEAKER_01: like we accept that the defense is going to switch,
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  SPEAKER_01: and then we try to play after the switch.
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  SPEAKER_01: And obviously that's going to happen most of the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: But if we are going to use some tools,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I'm going to show some of those,
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  SPEAKER_01: to be able that,
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  SPEAKER_01: let's say,
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  SPEAKER_01: two times out of 10,
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  SPEAKER_01: maybe three times out of 10,
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  SPEAKER_01: the defense is not able to get a clean switch.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is a huge win for us.
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  SPEAKER_01: So sometimes we can have a reject by the guard.
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  SPEAKER_01: We can try the big man is still running.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he's going to be arriving alone.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you have those
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  little windows that's going to be losing up a little bit the
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  switching defense.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe they want to switch aggressive up to touch.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're going to create more distance.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or maybe I'm going to flip the angle of the screen at the last moment,
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  SPEAKER_01: and my guard is able to go and create momentum to attack.
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  SPEAKER_01: Reject is a master tool against every coverage.
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  But it's super important against switching defense because what
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  happens sometimes
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  SPEAKER_01: is that the defender is already leaning in
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  into the big man because he's trying to go look for the contact
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  being able to
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  switch immediately so if you reject at that specific moment
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  that's super useful
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  even on the reject I'm guessing that you're teaching your
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  players to look at the
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  defender and see for him to be leaning that direction right
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  that would be a
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  teaching point as far as the guy with the ball what he should
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  be looking at
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: because what happens often is that when the defense is about to switch,
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  they are not as aggressive on the ball as maybe defensive
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  coaches would like.
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  SPEAKER_01: They are starting to lead into the contact.
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  They are afraid of the sleep,
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  so they try to look for the contact with the big man.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that is the moment where you can reject.
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  SPEAKER_01: This next clip is something that I really like.
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  And it's perfectly useful for a picker roll situation where we
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  know that the
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  SPEAKER_01: defense is going to switch.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this, for example, is a 4-5 picker roll by Denver.
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  And what you can see is that he's going to touch immediately
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  and then roll.
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  SPEAKER_01: And why is this effective?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because think about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: When we usually teach switching defense, what do we say to our players?
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  SPEAKER_01: You switch only in the moment of the contact.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you don't sleep.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't sleep earlier.
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  SPEAKER_01: You go there,
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  SPEAKER_01: you touch,
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  SPEAKER_01: you do something that we call activate the coverage,
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  SPEAKER_01: and you're out of the way immediately.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you always see the defender pointing at each other.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, it was your fault.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, but it didn't really screen me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it touched you.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have to switch on the touch.
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  SPEAKER_01: Blah, blah, blah.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is great to create, you know, opposing player yelling at each other.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this is another example.
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  SPEAKER_01: Guard to guard picker role.
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  It's a completely bad spacing if you think about it,
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  but it touch any role immediately.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's a big window for the pass.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is in Europe.
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  So my fellow European coaches can see that it works also in
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  Europe and not just in the NBA.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because you know that between European coaches, there is this big tennis.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but this only works in the NBA.
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  SPEAKER_01: They don't play defense over there.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it's not real.
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  SPEAKER_01: They play defense.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's different, but they play defense.
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  SPEAKER_01: So here is my touch.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's probably an offensive foul.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's pushing me off, but he's rolling into space.
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  SPEAKER_00: I would guess,
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  SPEAKER_00: too,
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  SPEAKER_00: that when you do the touch a lot of times,
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  SPEAKER_00: the defense hasn't,
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  SPEAKER_00: like you said,
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  SPEAKER_00: it hasn't activated the dominoes.
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  So the help isn't able to be there in time to even help on any
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  kind of roll like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I completely agree.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now we go to the main dish, OK?
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  SPEAKER_01: Most of the time, we were not going to be able to beat the defense.
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  SPEAKER_01: At the moment of the screen, we want to go after the switch.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, the switch has happened.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are not able to punish it immediately.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have to do something after it.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is a very important part for me.
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  So for the guard,
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  we have to understand best position if we want to let them go
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  one-on-one.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then we're going to show you some specific action to attack it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And for the big, it's super important, this idea to win the space.
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  And win the space means that if you're guarding me,
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  I want you to be all completely
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  SPEAKER_01: below me or completely in front of me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I need to know that.
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  If you're my big man and your defender is going around you
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  wherever he wants,
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  SPEAKER_01: we are never going to be able to pass you the ball.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you're going to be sitting on the bench very early in the game.
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  SPEAKER_01: I will start by saying this.
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  When you start at the beginning of the season deciding what's
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  your philosophy on
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  SPEAKER_01: attacking the switch,
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  SPEAKER_01: Depending on your personnel, you have to decide.
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  SPEAKER_01: I will present you to extreme.
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  SPEAKER_01: So on one side,
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  SPEAKER_01: maybe if you have James Harden,
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  SPEAKER_01: your philosophy after the switch is going to be,
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  SPEAKER_01: he's great.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's going to create bucket for everybody one-on-one.
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  So simply,
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  we're going to stop the offense and he's going to play
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  one-on-one.
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  SPEAKER_01: He can be a dominant guard or a dominant pick.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's say that I have Shaquille O'Neal in his prime.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, after every switch, if they dare to switch, we have to punish them.
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  It's impossible for us to think that one possession goes when
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  there is a little guy
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  SPEAKER_01: on Shaq and we didn't throw in the ball.
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  SPEAKER_01: But if I have a different type of team,
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  SPEAKER_01: maybe a great offensive team,
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  SPEAKER_01: let's say the Warriors,
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  SPEAKER_01: and...
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  SPEAKER_01: My strength is more in ball movement,
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  SPEAKER_01: in having different options,
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  SPEAKER_01: great all-star player,
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  SPEAKER_01: but I don't necessarily have,
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  SPEAKER_01: let's take away KD for the moment there,
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  SPEAKER_01: pre-KD Warriors,
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  SPEAKER_01: that ISO scorer,
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  SPEAKER_01: but I have more quality in my ball movement.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that is the other extreme.
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  They were great at not stopping the ball against the switches
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  and simply continuing
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  SPEAKER_01: to run their offense super quickly,
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  super quickly until the defense commits a mistake and then
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  somebody's open.
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  SPEAKER_01: So these are the two extremes.
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  In between,
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  you can shape the philosophy of your team in the way that you
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  prefer.
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  It depends on your player,
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  it depends on your league,
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  the referee in your league.
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  SPEAKER_01: There are differences.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe in our league,
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  it's very hard to throw the ball to the post with bigs against
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  guard because it's
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  very easy to be called for a offensive foul because the small
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  guard flop and the
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  SPEAKER_01: referee always goes with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's very common.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we have to...
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  SPEAKER_01: This is just an example to make things.
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  SPEAKER_01: You have to think also about the level of your league.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, let's go straight into that.
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  SPEAKER_01: On the perimeter is the switch,
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  SPEAKER_01: the spacing that you will see in the NBA most of the time,
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  SPEAKER_01: except it's James Sarden.
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  He likes to play with a different spacing when there is a
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  mismatch on the court
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  SPEAKER_01: that they want to attack.
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  The big man in the dunker spot,
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  corner,
• 13:54
  corner,
• 13:55
  and the other guard is like 1.5 gap away.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not a single gap away from the ball handler.
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  This is the space where they have the more space to attack for
• 14:05
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  SPEAKER_01: The boomerang action, I also wrote an article about that.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: I can suggest everybody to read it on my Medium page.
• 14:39
  It's the classical action when you pass the ball out of the
• 14:42
  switch and then back
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: the guard to attack the big man.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: There are different layers of that.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: It can be a terrible action or it can be a very good offensive action.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: So something that I very much don't like is this.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: This, okay, so now a switch has happened.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: He's calling somebody out, passing the ball, he passed the ball back.
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  SPEAKER_01: So no movement is created.
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  SPEAKER_01: No misdirection.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is simply an action because,
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: oh,
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: the coach told me to pass the ball,
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: and now I have the ball back and I can attack.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: But there is no movement created.
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  Now,
• 15:14
  he's going to beat his man in this clip,
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  but it's not because of the action.
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  SPEAKER_01: He could have attacked him before.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: The next clip is a little bit different.
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  SPEAKER_01: He passed the ball,
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: and he's passing the ball back immediately,
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  SPEAKER_01: but at least he's already running downhill to attack in a dynamic catch.
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  SPEAKER_01: So still, there's not a lot of misdirection on the passer.
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  You will see better clips later,
• 15:38
  but already the offensive player is attacking immediately.
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  SPEAKER_01: He tried to attack immediately.
• 15:43
  He was not able to pass back,
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  but now Capella has to defend him while going outside.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: As you know,
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: for your defensive coach,
• 15:53
  it's very hard to play a close-up defense instead of playing a
• 15:56
  static one-on-one.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: This is something that I like even better because it...
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: force the defense to worry on the two sides of the mismatch.
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  The ball goes here and he is looking inside at the other side
• 16:09
  of the mismatch.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: The big man is not doing a great job sealing in.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: But look at here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now the defender cannot be worried only about his offensive player.
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  SPEAKER_01: So look at how hard it is for him.
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  He's a perimeter player against a guard and he's also having to
• 16:27
  think about his teammate.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he has to think a lot of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pass back and attack.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is my favorite concept.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm so proud because yesterday my team did it.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: I will share a clip that is secret only for you and your listener later.
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  So what's happening here is that,
• 16:44
  okay,
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  switch on the picker roll and ball to the wing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Here, this is not a switch.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is Kola who is old as hell against Atomen.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he has no mismatch.
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  SPEAKER_01: What he's doing is attacking with one dribble over the mismatch.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now the defender, the switching defender, is going to stunt.
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  SPEAKER_01: Even if this one-on-one has no way to go at the rim, he is stunting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mythov, rightly so, is giving space.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: And now he has to make a close-up defense.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: So this is a picker role in the beginning of the play.
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  SPEAKER_01: There is a switch.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now our guard is dribbling back against the big man.
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  SPEAKER_01: and he's rolling inside.
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  SPEAKER_01: But now focus on this.
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  SPEAKER_01: The ball goes here,
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  SPEAKER_01: and this player,
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  SPEAKER_01: who is guarded by a great one-on-one player,
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  SPEAKER_01: immediately attacks toward the switch.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: And now I know that, in theory,
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: The big man should think, oh, I'm already guarding a great player.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't have to help.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't have to stand.
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  SPEAKER_01: I will stay close to him.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it never happened.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: In the heat of a moment, it will never happen.
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  SPEAKER_01: That big man,
• 17:48
  especially because big men are used to stand to play a
• 17:52
  protective defense for
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: everyone,
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: they will stand every time toward a drive.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: So you create a great one-on-one opportunity attacking a closeout.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: Here, it's an open trade.
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  So this is a concept that I really suggest players and coach to
• 18:08
  start thinking about.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: So at defense,
• 18:10
  we start from the assumption that a defense that switch a 1-5
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  pick a roll is going
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  SPEAKER_01: to switch basically everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you agree, coach?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: So after this,
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  SPEAKER_01: when your 5 is guarding the ball,
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: this player is going to be helping,
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: stunting and worrying about the ball.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: And so this player is going to be setting a flare.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they're going to switch.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: So he's going to play.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: Remember the concept of the touch screen that we said before?
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  SPEAKER_01: Touch and go away.
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  When he was coached by Obradovic,
• 18:41
  they were stealing one or two basket per game in this way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because against switching defense, they were doing this, bam, bam.
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  Or sometimes there were two players went inside with him and he
• 18:53
  was open in the
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: corner,
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  SPEAKER_01: completely open for the three.
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  SPEAKER_01: It seems super simple.
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  SPEAKER_01: You cannot run this as your primary tool,
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: obviously,
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  SPEAKER_01: because the defense will understand it and blah,
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: blah,
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: blah.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: But if once in a while,
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  SPEAKER_01: when the guard is dribbling,
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: it's one of the rare concepts when the more static the action is,
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: the better it is,
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: because the defense is,
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: oh,
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: no,
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  SPEAKER_01: now the guard is going to attack.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: The guard is going to attack.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm here.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm able.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm able to help.
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  SPEAKER_01: Bam.
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  SPEAKER_01: You punish that by doing something else.
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  I hope coaches will go back and look at this because especially
• 19:25
  at the level that I
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: coach at college and then high school as well,
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: we complain about our teams not finding the mismatches.
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  And we think it's as easy as we just find a height disadvantage
• 19:38
  or a size disadvantage.
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  And then I think that we think that we either pull that player
• 19:43
  out on an island and
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: then just let them go one-on-one.
• 19:47
  Or we should go down into the post and then just throw it down
• 19:50
  into the post and
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: back a player down,
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  SPEAKER_00: I guess,
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_00: and score on them or something like that.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: But especially the way that the game is played now,
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: we don't like ISOs,
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: so we don't like it when they pull out a big man and go at them.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: And then we also don't really practice post-ups.
• 20:05
  But these are very,
• 20:06
  I feel like,
• 20:07
  somewhat simple ways if you work on this for them to identify.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: Because as more teams are now switching,
• 20:13
  this should be one of the things that we focus on frequently in
• 20:16
  our practices.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that these these strategies give them some very practical,
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: simple things for their players to do without just,
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: OK,
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: if there's a mismatch,
• 20:28
  throw the ball to the mismatch and let them go one on one or
• 20:31
  throw the ball down
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: into the post and let them go score in the post.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: I completely agree.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think.
• 20:36
  we have different tools and uh i will try for the only audio
• 20:40
  listener to describe
• 20:41
  the clip what's happening is that there is a five out spacing
• 20:44
  after the switch with
• 20:45
  the playmaker guarded by the center and you have the corner
• 20:49
  player run and set a
• 20:51
  flare slash back screen to the wing and when the defense switch
• 20:57
  that is an
• 20:58
  immediate touch and dive at the rim and this is the way they
• 21:02
  create mismatch
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: opportunity
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: Now, second part, I will try to be quicker.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: On the mismatch inside,
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: if you want to attack the mismatch inside,
• 21:11
  the first thing that we have to realize and to teach our big
• 21:14
  men is to try to hold
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: one side.
• 21:16
  So in this clip that you see,
• 21:18
  the defense is able to go under immediately.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so sometimes in Europe, you want to avoid early sleep.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: So you go under, you try to push.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now you go down.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: Something that we teach our big men is don't stop right inside the paint.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: You want to bury him.
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  under the smile and take it where you don't have to make more
• 21:38
  than one dribble
• 21:39
  because otherwise the defense will collapse on you the other
• 21:42
  idea that sometimes
• 21:43
  big men struggle to understand is that when they switch on you
• 21:48
  the best thing you
• 21:49
  can do sometimes is if they fight to go in front you let them
• 21:53
  go in front but as we
• 21:55
  said before win the space if the defender is over you you don't
• 21:59
  need to roll
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: under the smile, as we said before.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's a completely different space.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: You have to hold it.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: You can stop your roll as high as almost the fritter line.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: And all that space below you is a space where they can throw the ball,
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: and you can grab it and dunk it.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: And if somebody is going to come out from the weak side,
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: it's going to be a skip for them and attack closeout.
• 22:21
  So something that we say too often is that the big don't accept
• 22:25
  the front,
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: they try to go in the blocks,
• 22:27
  they try to go fighting for that same old low post position
• 22:31
  against the guard.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes if they switch really aggressively,
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: you have a big man in front of you,
• 22:36
  it's not gonna be easy for you to throw that perfect lob pass
• 22:41
  if the offensive
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: player,
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: your teammate,
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: is trying to ask for the lob.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: So you can pass the ball to the top of the key, create a triangle,
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: and having somebody else throw the bulletin.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: This spacing that you see is,
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: I will describe it,
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: it's a classical side picker roll,
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: top picker roll situation,
• 23:00
  is for us one of the foundation where we want to attack a
• 23:03
  switching defense.
• 23:04
  Because what you do is that you have a first picker roll with
• 23:07
  the empty corner,
• 23:08
  they cannot scram switch with the defender in the strong side
• 23:12
  full corner.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: The ball goes immediately to the middle of the floor.
• 23:17
  And when one big man is against a switch down low,
• 23:22
  the other is running up to set a screen.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: So the second big man has to decide.
• 23:26
  It cannot stay inside to help or to protect the log because it
• 23:30
  will be late in the picker role.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to be a two-on-one situation for a long time.
• 23:36
  And so either the lobby is going to be open if the big man does
• 23:39
  a good job asking
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: for the ball,
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: sealing his defender,
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: blah,
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: blah,
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: or is going to create a two-on-one on the pick-a-roll situation.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: And this concept that you see written down here,
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: it's something that I'm sure you're familiar with that as well.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: We want,
• 23:54
  and before we were speaking about concepts that are familiar in
• 23:58
  all our system of
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: offense.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: So this is true in all the things that we do.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: In pick-a-roll, burst-up, off-screen, we want to punish who helps.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll see a clip of that.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: In defense, sometimes we think about helping the helper.
• 24:13
  And on offense,
• 24:14
  we want to keep the initiative and punish the second help.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Punish the helper.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's the opposite of that.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: The same for,
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: imagine every situation,
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: you don't have to see this specifically,
• 24:25
  where the big man is fronted because they switch and the guard
• 24:28
  is able because the
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: guard is super quick to go in front of the big.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Now you have to ask you a simple question, okay?
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: If it's fronted, I'm going to throw the log pass.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, maybe I can't.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: Why I can't throw the log pass?
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Because there's somebody helping from the weak side.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, now who is helping and how can I punish him?
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: The simple ways to punish him is if it's helping in the paint,
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: make a flash cut at the nail,
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: at the free throw area.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then I'm going to be able to throw that easy high-low pass.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: We can see many different clips of that.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: And something you will see, and I read that we, I swear, we teach
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: in our warm-up,
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: sometimes we do this,
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: is,
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: okay,
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: when the flashcard is coming to the nail,
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: if the defender is following the flashcard because he went to the night,
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: you can simply throw the lob at that point.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: And the thought process that they have to do is, okay, who is helping?
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody is helping.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: I pass to this man.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: Now, his man is overplayed.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody is going to be open.
• 25:30
  In this situation,
• 25:31
  you will see a mismatch,
• 25:33
  and they are doing a good job.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: They are fighting in front.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: There is a flash cut at the nail.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: I will describe everything.
• 25:39
  But on the flash cut at the nail,
• 25:41
  the defender of the top player is helping on the flash cut.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: He is collapsing inside.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: So there is like a third line of help.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: So what would they do is pass the ball to death.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: offensive player guarded by the defender on top with helping.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: And it's very hard.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: This is a great defense.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: Not all the time the offense is able to do this to see all the steps,
• 26:01
  but we should teach our players to think in these terms because
• 26:06
  it seems super hard
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: on paper,
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: but it's super easy for them to see,
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: OK,
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: who's helping?
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: That, bam, that pass over there.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: And it's also good for teaching spacing concept because
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: If my man is helping, how can I punish his help?
• 26:21
  If I stay here,
• 26:22
  he's able to help and recover on me without paying a price.
• 26:27
  They should not be able to do anything without paying the price
• 26:30
  in a capitalistic society.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: So they have to pay for it.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: His spacing, you will see it on the video, but I will describe it.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's a situation where the defense switch,
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: and now everybody else,
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: all the other four players,
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: are above the free throw line.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: Imagine this spacing.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: Before when we said about the spacing to attack outside mismatch,
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: we say,
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: okay,
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: there is one guard here,
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: one guard,
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: 1.5 gap away,
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: and three players on the baseline.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: Now we have a spacing that is not a good basketball spacing,
• 27:01
  but we have four players very close to each other above the
• 27:05
  free throw line.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: but one big man alone against a guard in the smile.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: And it's very easy to throw the ball to him.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: This seems simple, but it's not easy to teach our player to do that.
• 27:18
  I really like the idea of punishing the help because too many
• 27:21
  players will just stand still.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: And for the sake of spacing...
• 27:25
  feel like they don't want to make a cut or don't exactly know
• 27:28
  where to make the cut.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: But as you just showed,
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: making the cut to space often then pulls another help defender,
• 27:34
  which then can create the advantage that the defense was just
• 27:37
  trying to take away.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: So, man, that's a ton of great stuff.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: For those that weren't able to watch this,
• 27:43
  you need to go back and watch the video because Coach did a
• 27:45
  great job of explaining
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: it.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: But I think that once you see it, it will make even more sense.
• 27:50
  I was quite quiet throughout because I'm just sitting there
• 27:52
  thinking about how I
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: can implement these into our offense.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think that probably if they read the title of this,
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: they thought,
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: okay,
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: well,
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: just switching in ball screens.
• 28:02
  But as defenses,
• 28:04
  offenses become more complex,
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  defenses try to annul that advantage.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so what's the next level to it?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think a lot of this is the next level.
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  And really,
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  like you said,
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  I don't feel like they're extremely difficult concepts.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know necessarily,
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  SPEAKER_00: especially if you're coaching at a lower level,
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  SPEAKER_00: that you need to introduce all of them.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, I will speak.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm teaching at a professional level, like second league in Italy.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a pretty good level.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have two imports American players.
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  SPEAKER_01: We didn't teach all of that.
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  We are not,
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  and we don't think we will,
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  especially in the first months of the season.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe we will later.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think it's better to have some tools,
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  SPEAKER_01: but perfectly,
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  SPEAKER_01: like perfectly sharpened than to have a toolkit full of tools,
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  SPEAKER_01: but they are rusty.
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  SPEAKER_01: How can I say it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as I think about it too,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm thinking about,
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  SPEAKER_00: I see more of certain types of coverages,
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  SPEAKER_00: like helping on the helper in the post or helping the front.
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  SPEAKER_00: I see more of certain situations.
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  SPEAKER_00: So like for us,
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  sending that weak side guy in the corner cutting to the nail
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  would be something
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  SPEAKER_00: that I would want to do.
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  But I don't necessarily know if there were two or three other
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  things that we would
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  do within our offense because we don't see either help coming
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  from those areas on
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  SPEAKER_00: the floor or even like we don't post a lot of times our bigs,
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  SPEAKER_00: which we may might after I watch this.
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  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, there are certain things.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that's where we started with –
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  Like what fits within your offense that you're already doing
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  where you can add just
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  SPEAKER_00: like that little tweak or that little extra,
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  SPEAKER_00: like you said,
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  SPEAKER_00: tool that you can maybe think can get you an advantage.
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  SPEAKER_01: It depends on your level, obviously.
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  But I think a good question for us as coaches is we have to
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  understand when do we
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  SPEAKER_01: want to facilitate the life for our players?
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  So we take decision away from them because we want them to
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  focus on other decisions.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's say that it's the second game of the season.
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  SPEAKER_01: You work a lot on your basic principle,
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  SPEAKER_01: your skills,
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  SPEAKER_01: your coverage solutions against drop,
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  SPEAKER_01: pick a roll,
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  SPEAKER_01: blah,
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  SPEAKER_01: blah,
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  SPEAKER_01: blah,
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  SPEAKER_01: zone offense,
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  SPEAKER_01: and they play a switching defense.
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  Maybe what you're going to do is draw a quick play that make
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  switching harder.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe that is automatic to do a specific tool,
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  SPEAKER_01: but to do it without reading too much,
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  SPEAKER_01: but as an automatic.
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  Maybe later in the season,
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  you will build on that and create a read system.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that sometimes we would like to put read on everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: Our ability as coaches should be to say, okay,
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  SPEAKER_01: you need to focus on this.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you need to focus on these, for example, pick a role reads.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we're not going to play five different screens before the pick a role,
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  SPEAKER_01: and you have to read all of those screens.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's going to be impossible for you in this moment.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe you will in six months, in a year.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now,
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  SPEAKER_01: you're going to play a simple pick a role,
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  and you're going to try to punish the different coverages
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  without thinking about
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  SPEAKER_01: other 10 things.
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  I'm sure that there are coaches after hearing this who would
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  love to connect with
• 31:13
  you if they're not already and may even have some more
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  questions about things.
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  And you talked about even having like your YouTube page,
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  that presentation.
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  I'll try to we'll try to get it from you and put it up so that
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  they can see it and
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  SPEAKER_00: put that in the show notes,
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: too.
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  SPEAKER_00: But where is the best place for them to connect with you?
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  SPEAKER_01: They can write me on Twitter.
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  SPEAKER_01: My DMs are open.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as people say, my DMs are open.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm late to respond, but I will respond to everybody.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sorry,
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  SPEAKER_01: it depends which moment of the week,
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  SPEAKER_01: how much am I scouting for my own team,
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  SPEAKER_01: but I will...
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  answer to everybody and I love to talk basketball I would love
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  to share there are a
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  lot of videos about what we are doing with my team at the
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  moment that I cannot put
• 31:56
  on Twitter because you know there's tactical content that I
• 31:59
  don't want to go around
• 31:59
  in our league but I'm glad to share with coaches from the US
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  because gladly they
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  won't spy behind my back with some other Italian coaches let's
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  hope that that's
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  coach Francesco Nani assistant coach for Scafatti coach thanks
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  again for coming on
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  SPEAKER_00: the podcast
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was my pleasure, Tony.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do it again.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: Very soon.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: Before two years this time.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was a pleasure.
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  SPEAKER_00: That'll do it for this episode.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thanks so much for listening.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll talk to you again at the next time out.