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America’s Favourite Cursed Wrestling Family · Hocus Pocus Lack Of Focus

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  We've all this foggy or hocus pocus lack of focus, the very
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  own educational podcast that tries and fails to keep on track
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  of such subjects as witchcraft, paranormal happenings.
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  True. Crime, fake news and every silly
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  and strange thing around the world.
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  I'm justy your resident wet brain who is so out of touch I
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  thought a la Boo Boo is why French people go to the
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  hospital. And I'm jammed, as always by
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  your Hostess with the most chest.
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  Today won't be the first time some wrestlers met her wet, but
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  today it'll be from crying, not from lady spunking.
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  It's Danny. Thomas I hate that.
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  I hate that. That's the one we got.
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  OK, I feel like every intro now that you're just gonna you're
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  exposing me for something every week.
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  Now back to my my ring rat days. Exposed me for not knowing what
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  the Boo Boo was until like 3 days ago.
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  The last week. The last week I.
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  Didn't know what a little boogie was until the.
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  Last week and that way, no. I hate them.
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  I absolutely hate them. I can't stand them.
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  Sally, why are your eyes going to be wet today?
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  It's the saddest story ever told ever.
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  And it's true. And so I watched the first time
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  I heard of this. We're talking today to you about
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  the Von Erich Curse, a prominent wrestling family.
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  I'll just go a little bit into it.
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  So fans, wrestlers, and paranormal obsessives have long
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  called it the Von Erich Curse. Some say that Fritz, who was the
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  father, this is where it all started, made a metaphorical
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  pact for wrestling glory and sacrificed his son's peace.
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  Others chalk it up to pressure, grief, untreated mental illness,
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  and the brutal toll of the wrestling industry.
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  And either way, it's one of the darkest legacies in sports
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  history, a family that should have been remembered for
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  greatness instead remembered for.
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  And if you've seen it recently, it was like last year or the
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  year before the Iron Claw came out.
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  The movie with Zac Efron in pieces.
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  I was in absolute pieces. And I so the the first time I
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  really kind of like I I knew about it for a while, not too
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  much about it. And I watched the Dark Side of
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  the ring episode on it. I was just like, how is this
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  real? Like this?
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  Like this is fucking crazy. And then I went to see it in the
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  cinema and they left out an entire brother because they
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  thought it would be too heavy for audiences.
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  Yeah. Well, I.
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  Was that sobbing? For anyone who hasn't watched
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  the Ironclaw movie, if we give you an episode today that will
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  make you have a taste for wanting to see this.
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  It is actually it is a masterpiece of of three.
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  And I'm not sure if that's just because we know wrestling and
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  that we kind of already kind of knew the story.
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  But I know that people who who aren't wrestling fans who've
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  watched the the movie like came away with like kind of a deeper
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  understanding of professional wrestling and the kind of the
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  troubles that kind of brings. And maybe like on the kind of
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  large, like the worst possible scale with the boundary family.
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  But like, I think a lot of non wrestling fans really liked Iron
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  Claw, mostly because it's like a true story.
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  It's a mostly true story, I should say.
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  I went to see it with Michelle. She came over to visit and like,
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  I've never seen so many grown men crying in one place since my
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  like, my dad's funeral. Like, honestly, it was just
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  like, And then like there was like they were going with their
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  girlfriends, whoever who had no idea what was happening.
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  They were sobbing in bits and being like, I can't believe this
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  is a true story. Like what?
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  There's no way. Or like, yeah, unfortunately it
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  is. And it's fucked up, Yeah.
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  It's like it's, it's genuinely so hard not to look at this and
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  to hear about it and not equate it to something paranormal
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  because it is just that strange and that heavy.
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  I kind of, I kind of wrote a disclaimer today.
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  OK. Well, 'cause and I know 'cause
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  we like even on the, the the last podcast that came out,
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  which was episode 4, we did a lot of joking about like
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  suicide. You did and and that I don't.
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  Know if he cut that or not, I haven't.
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  Listened. To Jesus, he did.
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  But today I'm going to do a little bit of a disclaimer,
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  because this isn't properly sad story, and it is a really
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  serious one. And it's not just about Danny's
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  hatred for insults. So disclaimer.
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  Today's podcast will feature subjects like death, depression
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  and suicide. If you were affected by those
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  talking points, you might want to give this one a miss.
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  Now, that's a simple disclaimer, but it is.
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  I've put it out there because this is a sad story.
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  And even though it does have like the, the, the connotations
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  of the curse, which is like, and there's a couple of ways I think
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  you might be able to get into that side of it a little bit
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  more. But there's a couple of ways
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  that people have talked about this, the, the curse and how it
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  would have came about or how people talk about how the like
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  the, the curse originated. But the story in itself, the
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  true story of like, you know, six brothers and an overbearing
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  father is it's a it's a tough story anyways.
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  Yeah, yeah. Do you want to jump into it
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  there? And and, and we'll get, we'll
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  get moving with this one. Yeah, so basically the Von
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  Erichs legendary wrestling dynasty headed by Fritz Von
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  Erichs, real name Jack Atkisson, Major figure in the 60s and 70s
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  in wrestling. He was a heel German character
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  during the Cold War era, but his legacy was eclipsed by his sons
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  and their heartbreakingly short lives.
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  Yeah, so he had, he had six sons, which Annie Farrer will be
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  delayed with. But Fritz, it's a funny one
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  because Fritz married, he said Fritz boy, his name is Jack
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  Atkinson. And he, he, I think he was in
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  one of the Carolinas. I'm not sure which one it was,
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  but or where he was. But he ended up marrying Doris,
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  which kind of I think sent him down a track of he couldn't go
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  to the school that he was supposed to go to.
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  He got, he had a scholarship. So eventually he he joined the
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  the military and fought in North Korea, which is ironic because
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  he played a character that was a non Nazi, but we'll get into
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  that one. But yeah, so he was like a
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  decorated war veteran. And when he came back from the
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  war, he went and he went back to college, he studied, he played
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  college football, he came out, he tried for the NFL, wasn't
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  really doing it for a big athletic guy.
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  He he didn't exactly make it for the NFL.
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  But a lot of people, what happens when they don't get for
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  the NFL, they head to Canada. And when you head to Canada to
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  go to the football leagues, you're kind of as an American
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  kind of guarantees. But again, he got in there and
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  didn't manage to get into that. I think it's called the CFL,
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  Canadian Football League. But he didn't manage to actually
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  become pro in Canada either, which is kind of like another
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  shot in the foot for him. So like he was kind of, I won't
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  say spiraling, but he was failing down.
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  Like he was, he was, he was heading downwards in life until
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  he came across a man who is renowned in the the wrestling
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  world, Stu Hart. Again, like if people are
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  listening to this and they're not getting like wrestling
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  terminology and stuff like that, because me and Danny will
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  probably fall into like talking about wrestling in a way that
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  was familiar to people who know wrestling inside terms and stuff
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  like that. We're going to try our best to
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  explain ourselves to the layman as well him, although I'm not
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  expert on any subject, but I can probably sound like I know what
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  I'm talking about when it comes to wrestling.
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  Just because of dating one for six years, I know all of all of
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  the terms. Everything is just stuck with
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  me. I still lose.
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  The time and everything. And that's like, I fully believe
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  that you could like you could call a match.
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  I was just like, absolutely, I can like I can watch for
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  everything. So yeah, I will try and we'll
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  try and make it as user friendly as possible.
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  I've been wrestling for almost a quarter of a century and I can't
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  call a match. So we To anybody who doesn't
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  know what calling a match means, that just means putting together
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  the structure of a professional wrestling match.
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  Jack ends up in Canada where he finds himself meeting Stuart.
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  A lot of failed footballers in America and Canada end up being
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  like kind of taken in by pro wrestling because pro wrestling
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  you can kind of adapt it to yourself.
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  So if you're a big guy, an athletic guy, someone with a bit
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  of charisma, you can go well in in pro wrestling.
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  You can you can you can do. A lot because pro wrestling
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  isn't just one thing like where karate is 1 discipline, you
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  know, basketball, there's so many kind of rules.
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  Pro wrestling is this kind of landscape that is it's a stage
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  and a sport and you can approach it in many different ways and to
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  suit yourself. So what happened with?
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  Jack was theatre kid thing. Yeah, exactly.
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  It's basically, I always say with professional wrestling,
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  when someone once said to me, I'm a theatre nerd and I was
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  like, oh, I'm into wrestling, so I think I might be a theatre
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  jock. I think that's how it goes, you
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  know, like so like if someone who's kind of inclined to be
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  sporting but also has that show in them and has that kind of
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  the, the bit of entertainment in them as well.
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  Wrestling actually suits them a lot.
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  And it's suit with Jack and he was brought in by Stu Hart.
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  Stu Hart is a legendary wrestling promoter in Canada.
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  He he had a company called Stampede Wrestling and it was
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  massive. He is also the head of a
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  wrestling dynasty and people will be familiar with his most
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  famous son, Bret Hart. And another sad story will be
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  his other son own heart. And we could probably end up
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  doing something something and that story as well, because that
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  is another tragic wrestling story.
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  Not ready to all. Kind of.
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  Already. Only slightly ties in with the
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  Von Erichs. Jack finds himself taken under
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  the wing of Stu Hart, who is a great wrestling promoter and has
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  a great, what they call a great mind for the business.
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  So he knows how to promote wrestling really well, how he
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  knows how to promote characters really well.
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  And what he did with Fritz or Jack, I should say, is he gave
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  him this moniker, this name Fritz Von Erich and this whole
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  character that he was Nazi who fled Germany during World War 2
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  and he is now in North America during the Cold War.
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  And this this is used a lot by wrestling promoters Like they,
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  they use kind of stereotypes, especially in the like from the
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  60s into the 80s. They kind of even trickled into
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  the 90s a little bit, but they'd use stereotypes like whoever the
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  the the bad guys of the world are at the time, they'll end up
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  being the bad guys on your wrestling show.
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  So you've got Nazis, Soviet spies, and anyone who is like
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  the the bad guys in real life could end up being the bad guys
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  in professional wrestling because professional wrestling
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  is kind of this magnified version of what's happening in
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  the world right now. So the good guy is always going
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  to be the hometown hero in America that ends up being the
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  all American blue blood. And if you've got the bad guy
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  who is going to be a Nazi, then you're going to make so much
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  money on that because people are going to cut like, again, we
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  still talk about Nazis and Hitler to this day.
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  We'll probably have about 17 episodes if this, if this
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  podcast was a run for Jack becoming Fritz Von Erich.
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  The Nazi ended up making him really popular, obviously, as a
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  bad guy in professional wrestling.
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  We call them heels, but as the kind of antagonist to your
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  protagonist or your your good guy or your baby face, as we
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  call them pro wrestling. Fritz Von Erich became the top
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  one in Stampede, in Stampede Wrestling for Stu Hart.
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  And he was part of A tag team with another guy who was of
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  German descent, but he was given the name Von Erich as well.
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  And there were the Von Erich brothers, 2 evil Nazis.
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  And so Jack became Fritz and Fritz was very popular as a bad
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  guy. He got the move called the claw,
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  which was basically he just put his hand over his opponent's
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  face and he crushed their skull with this claw, this iron claw
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  as the the movie is named after. And yeah, so he became insanely
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  popular up there and eventually started travelling around, found
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  himself in Texas where coming to the end of his kind of in ring
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  career. And not even to the end of his
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  in ring career, kind of just like in into the, I suppose the
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  the the twilight of his in ring career.
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  He started promoting in in Texas, and that's where you'll
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  find that he set up with his family.
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  And this is when he started popping out all these songs.
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  But before, I suppose tragedy still struck when he was in
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  Canada, he was living in Niagara and they had their first son,
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  Jack. And while Jack Senior or Fritz
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  was touring, Jack, his son, who I believe was only 6 years old
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  at the time. Yeah.
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  Yeah. So he was involved in a tragedy
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  where he was electrocuted by a loose wire.
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  I think he was trying to step over a trailer.
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  Like a trailer pitch, a trailer tongue.
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  Yeah, yeah. So he he touched off it and it
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  was live. He got shocked, passed out and
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  fell into a puddle and he drowned to that and at six years
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  of age. So that was the first main
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  tragedy that had befallen the the von Erichs and.
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  Yeah. So I don't know, I'm talking a
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  lot here to. To go ahead.
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  The next one, then. So like he pulled all of the
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  boys, all the rest of the boys into wrestling, obviously, when
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  they got old enough. Which brings us to David, who
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  was probably the most promising kind of wrestler of the bunch.
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  Well, if we have a rundown of the names, if I remember, I
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  don't have any naughty here, but if I'm going to try and
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  remember. So Jack was the the the first
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  son. He never obviously made it to
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  get involved in professional wrestling because he died very
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  young at six years of age. Then everybody moved out to
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  Texas. Kevin was the eldest.
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  Then it was David came after Kevin, Kerry was after that, and
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  then Michael and Chris. Yeah, Is it I?
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  Yeah, yeah. Correct.
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  In that one, yeah. So those are the five remaining
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  songs. There's those are the 55
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  remaining songs and they all get involved in professional
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  wrestling as well. And the the hardest one is, is
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  Kerry was Kerry. Kerry by yeah, I think by by a
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  country. They all kind of have their
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  attributes. Like Kevin is kind of, he's
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  tall, but he's kind of got like a little bit of a swimmer's
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  physique. He's actually like the guys, the
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  guys are all kind of they became super popular.
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  Now I can't I can't tell people enough how popular these guys
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  were in in Texas. And like we've just last week,
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  we've had the death of Hulk Hogan, who was probably seen as
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  the most popular wrestler of all time when it came to making the
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  sport what it is today. Obviously he's not without his
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  controversies as well, but like in the the the realm of
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  professional wrestling, that man was The Beatles.
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  It was crazy what he did, but. If Hulk Corbyn was to.
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  Walk into one of the one of the arenas in in Texas if the likes
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  of Ric Flair, who again is massively popular professional
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  wrestler who people might know he transcends professional
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  wrestling as well. He's known all over the world
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  and if Hulk Hogan or Ric Flair or any of these top wrestlers at
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  the time like Bruno Sammartino from New York, if these guys
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  walked into Texas, they will get booed out of the building.
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  You wouldn't be able to hear them over the noise that the
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  crowd would make for the Von Erich kids because they were
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  portrayed. Now, Fritz was, when he was
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  outside of Texas, he was a massive heel.
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  So like people hated him. He was a bad guy.
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  He was a fucking a literal Nazi is what people thought he was.
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  But when he came to Texas, he kind of rebranded.
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  Of course, if you're going to be the promoter, you kind of want
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  to be the good guy at one stage. So he did kind of promote
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  himself as being like his top good guy.
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  And it worked. You know, like he, he, he sold
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  himself as the good guy. And then when his family came
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  up, he had these all American boys, these kind of guys who got
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  rough and rowdy, but they were moral.
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  They didn't, they didn't cheat. They only kind of ever fought if
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  their backs were against the wall.
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  It was this kind of did they really sold them as these what
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  we call a white meat baby face, just this all American boy who
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  do no wrong. But Kevin would be the eldest of
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  them. Again, I was halfway to
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  describing him. He was kind of he was tall maybe
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  about 6 foot 1 and 6 foot two maybe and kind of had like a
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  lankier physique, but he had like this swimmers physique
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  again. He kind of looked like a
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  wholesome guy, came out wrestling in his bare feet.
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  The next brother is David, who probably was the one that the
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  all the hopes were kind of were hanging on.
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  He was by far the most popular brother in the their heyday.
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  He was the tallest. He kind of stood above his other
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  brothers. He I think he was like 6465
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  maybe. So like when you saw the
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  brothers lined up, this was the one that looked like a pro
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  wrestler. He was big and he probably
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  didn't have the physique of his older brothers, but what?
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  But he looked like a big meaty man and people love this guy.
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  What what David probably had that the rest of the brothers
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  didn't have was a promo. Now, a promo just means a guy
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  can talk. He can, he can.
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  He can sell a match. You put a camera in front of him
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  and what he says is convincing. He's really good at like at
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  selling tickets with just his raw emotion.
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  People believed what what David was saying more so than the
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  other brothers. Now when we come down from
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  David, we've got Kerry next. Kerry was the guy who was
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  probably the most athletically gifted.
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  Again, Kerry stored maybe 6 foot say 6 foot 2, 6 foot 16 foot 2 I
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  believe and. Modern day warrior basically.
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  Modern day warrior he was. Yeah.
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  So he was brought out to be so popular because number 1, he
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  looked like he was the best looking of the runners by by any
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  conventional fucking. Gorgeous man.
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  Yeah, he was. A gorgeous human being.
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  He had the physique that you would see at the time on
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  television like that. Like, you know, an American
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  Gladiator physique. He had this feathery dirty
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  blonde hair that like was all the rage at the time.
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  Hair, Yeah. He like the Farrah Fawcett kind
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  of hair and he was a beef cake chisel features and women just
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  went crazy for the guy. He also.
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  The way you're talking about him, it sounds like you're gone
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  crazy for him. Yeah, well, well, in fairness,
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  like I can appreciate, look, I'm, I'm going to bottle up my
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  toxic masculinity over there for a minute and I'm going to, I'm
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  going to come out and say the guy, he was a handsome guy
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  again. He was.
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  Let's go. Let's cause famous debate here.
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  That's true. He was he the only one that
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  wrestled in the WWF at the time? Yes.
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  So he like he would have had his run in the WWF later after a
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  couple of the incidences that we're going to talk about, I
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  suppose. And but yeah, he was the one
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  that kind of got to the highest peak in professional wrestling.
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  And he was he, as you said, he was the modern day warrior.
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  And I don't know if I can equate this book.
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  Vince McMahon again, Vince McMahon, we can do 17 episodes.
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  Actually, this could have more episodes of Hitler.
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  But he he's the guy who's in charge of like the biggest
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  wrestling company in the world. And he saw Kerry Von Erich, saw
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  the look. They ended up hiring a guy and
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  calling him The Ultimate Warrior.
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  And I'm not sure if it was because he looked a lot like
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  Kerry Von Eric. They kind of had a similar look.
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  Fettery haired. The big kind of.
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  Yeah. Yeah, and again, McMahon was one
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  to do that. Like he would look at wrestlers
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  that are popular elsewhere and then make his own bootleg
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  version of that. And because he was the most his
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  television was being seen all around the country.
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  Then the the original ended up becoming the bootleg if you get
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  me so. He always was, though, like one
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  of those he would, he was all about look, more so than
• 24:10
  anything. I think he would get wrestlers
• 24:11
  in on their looks and they'd be like, well, we can teach you
• 24:13
  this. You can learn that on the job
• 24:15
  kind of thing. Even names and stuff like that.
• 24:18
  He'd stolen from other wrestlers over the years, essentially
• 24:21
  stolen, Really. Yeah.
• 24:22
  I don't know why I was saying there.
• 24:23
  Go on. But Kerry, yeah, Kerry was
• 24:28
  probably the second most popular when it came to the brothers
• 24:32
  after David, but kind of in his heyday, he surpassed David's
• 24:37
  popularity as well. He used the song Tom Sawyer to
• 24:41
  come out to, which has the the lion modern day warrior in it,
• 24:45
  and the crowd went fucking crazy when his music came on.
• 24:48
  So it. Is a banger.
• 24:50
  He was super popular as well down there in Texas.
• 24:54
  The next brother Michael, and he was someone who I believe never
• 25:01
  really wanted to get involved in the in ring sight of
• 25:04
  professional wrestling and we'll find out why he ended up in the
• 25:07
  ring afterwards. But his story is probably the
• 25:12
  most tragic of all of the brothers.
• 25:14
  But he again wasn't as athletically gifted as his
• 25:17
  brothers, especially Kerry, who was like an All American discus
• 25:21
  shore he didn't have the height of.
• 25:24
  His other brothers. He didn't have the technical
• 25:27
  ability, but he was kind of forced into pro wrestling by
• 25:30
  again, we'll find out with Fritz like this overbearing father.
• 25:34
  So he. I always kind of looked at him
• 25:37
  as like a squirrely kind of Spike Dudley character.
• 25:41
  Like that's kind of how I I would see Mike.
• 25:45
  I would say like the the the last brother that comes into it,
• 25:48
  Michael is probably more of the Spike Dudley than the the rest
• 25:53
  of them. And Chris, yeah, I get what
• 25:56
  you're saying because he like, again, Michael didn't get a lot
• 25:59
  of of ring time, but but Chris, he got in there and and they
• 26:04
  kind of put some hopes on him where he was filling the void of
• 26:09
  one of the other brothers. And we'll get into that now.
• 26:11
  But yeah, Chris, again, that's probably one of the more tragic
• 26:15
  sides of things. He never really wanted.
• 26:18
  I think he wanted to be a cameraman and he wanted to be
• 26:21
  involved in production. But again, Fritz, he he forced
• 26:27
  his sons into situations that they probably shouldn't have got
• 26:31
  forced into. And then the last son who didn't
• 26:34
  get featured on Sorry, that was Michael.
• 26:37
  Fuck Michael. And Chris I keep because the
• 26:40
  movie fucks them up. No, Mike was, I think it was
• 26:43
  Chris that wasn't. It Chris, that wasn't it.
• 26:45
  Sorry, Michael, whatever I just said there every time I said the
• 26:48
  word Chris just fucking and so Chris was the last.
• 26:54
  Chris was the last one. And unfortunately, Chris was
• 26:57
  probably the one that loves pro wrestling more and all of his
• 27:00
  other brothers. He was the younger brother.
• 27:02
  He didn't get featured in the movie because they reckoned that
• 27:06
  it like it was just too much having all of the brothers in.
• 27:08
  So they kind of mixed Michael's story into Chris's as well.
• 27:12
  But there's a bit of crossover on the on the two boys.
• 27:15
  But what happened with with Chris is he was desperate to be
• 27:18
  a pro wrestler. He wanted to follow his
• 27:20
  brother's footsteps. He admired his brother, he
• 27:22
  admired his he wanted to impress his father more than anything
• 27:25
  else in the world. But unfortunately, he was only
• 27:28
  about 5 foot 5. So compared to his other
• 27:30
  brothers, like he was more than a foot shorter than his his
• 27:34
  brother Dave, who was the most popular.
• 27:36
  And when it came to Ian ring, nobody, nobody worked harder
• 27:41
  than Chris. He wanted to be like the best,
• 27:44
  but unfortunately, he also had some health issues where he had
• 27:48
  brittle bones and he was riddled with asthma.
• 27:53
  He had a really bad case of asthma.
• 27:55
  So that kind of held them back. And he was he just wasn't
• 27:59
  believable to the people in the ring who were like, they admired
• 28:02
  these big, wholesome, hulking brothers that were kind of, you
• 28:08
  know, the great Texan hope at the time.
• 28:12
  But Chris just kind of pale in comparison to his brothers.
• 28:15
  And it was kind of like he was a little bit of a wet fact when it
• 28:17
  came to to, you know, popularity when it came to his brothers.
• 28:22
  But that's just kind of a rundown of the brothers.
• 28:25
  So we've got from Kevin, David, Kerry, Michael and Chris, and
• 28:31
  those are the five kind of surviving brothers when it came
• 28:35
  to Texas. Do you want to get into the to
• 28:38
  the tragedies now? Danny, you can get me to stop
• 28:41
  talking. You can't.
• 28:43
  I'm going to go to a word from our sponsor first.
• 28:47
  You got sponsor? I got sponsor, Yeah, I get to
• 28:50
  read the sponsorship at this time.
• 28:52
  So. That was really good, that.
• 29:49
  Was really good. I was trying to, like, mirror it
• 29:52
  off how you talk as well. So I was just like, oh, the
• 29:55
  pressure's on because yeah, but yeah, witch Hazel and scream.
• 29:59
  That was pretty. That was pretty good, especially
• 30:01
  as soon as no sponsors actually contacted me this week.
• 30:03
  So that's perfect. You don't like we, We can.
• 30:10
  We can. It's based on my search history
• 30:12
  as well. We can let's let's pause the the
• 30:17
  von Erichs for a second because it's.
• 30:20
  OK, want to talk about? We've done. 30 minutes, there
• 30:22
  was no, there's been no witty banter at all.
• 30:27
  I feel like there's this is going to be a heavy episode and
• 30:30
  we got straight into it. I think it was my fault this
• 30:33
  this shit is going to happen now with Von Erichs.
• 30:35
  So yeah. I have like, the causes of
• 30:39
  death. I have everything written down
• 30:41
  and it's, it's, it's, yeah. And there's nothing I can really
• 30:44
  make. Fun of in it.
• 30:45
  Either so. Yeah, there's not a lot of this
• 30:49
  might. Be comedy in this tragedy, you
• 30:51
  know it's not exactly agreed kind of haha.
• 30:56
  Then the tragedy, all the tragedy just happens and
• 30:59
  there's. Kind of.
• 31:00
  There's no light side of it. Yeah, I feel like, yeah, maybe
• 31:07
  we could 'cause I have some questions we can add in at the
• 31:09
  end to maybe lighten the tone a little bit after we've.
• 31:12
  Oh yeah. With everybody, yeah.
• 31:13
  We give them some. Questions then.
• 31:16
  Hey, this is do you wanna do you wanna hear why?
• 31:18
  I I I wasn't around. What is it?
• 31:21
  What's it? What's it today?
• 31:22
  It's Tuesday. Today.
• 31:23
  We were going to record Sunday. Yeah, I can.
• 31:27
  Literally stood me up, left me out in the rain.
• 31:30
  I logged on. So you were.
• 31:32
  Everything else I hear what my headphones on my mic in front of
• 31:35
  me. I had like my little glass of
• 31:37
  wine and I was like, oh, he's late.
• 31:38
  I was like, I'll give him, I'll give him till 10.
• 31:40
  Never showed up. I'm usually.
• 31:43
  Quite punctual as well, so. Yeah, easier than me.
• 31:48
  Here's my here's my story. And, and again, if my FBI agent
• 31:53
  is listening to this, look, it's, it's a one off kind of a
• 31:58
  thing. It doesn't happen a lot, but I
• 32:00
  went to my friend's house and my friend is a casual smoker of
• 32:04
  the, the herb. And we sit down and we, we kind
• 32:09
  of, it's kind of like a therapy session for both of us.
• 32:11
  We call it booty business. And because we we actually have
• 32:15
  to schedule in because we live like across the road from each
• 32:18
  other, but we have to, we have to schedule in Big Oak.
• 32:20
  Lisa, I know you're not listening to this because you
• 32:22
  told me you don't listen to my fucking podcast, but she she
• 32:26
  lives. Yeah, we used to wear me and
• 32:30
  Lisa used to live together. So she saw me in some fellow
• 32:33
  states. But anyways, we, we try and keep
• 32:36
  them in touch as much as possible.
• 32:37
  So we, we call it buddy business and we schedule it in like a
• 32:40
  business meeting and we sit down and we kind of have the minutes
• 32:43
  of our, what's going on in our lives.
• 32:46
  And we sit down and we kind of talk and we chat about, you
• 32:49
  know, work, love, life, like everything in between anything
• 32:53
  that's going on. And we kind of, she is a smoker.
• 32:58
  And I said I have probably I'd say 1/4 of a joint and it was a
• 33:09
  few hours before you're so sort of car.
• 33:11
  And I was like, this is cool, this is fine.
• 33:13
  Everything will be good, but I got.
• 33:16
  Home and what I done was I said right, I am fucking like again,
• 33:22
  lightweight because I haven't smoked in years.
• 33:25
  I'm like, well, I haven't smoked full time in years.
• 33:28
  And I was like, right, let's have a little lay down and then
• 33:31
  I'll get up and I'll be fresh for the podcast.
• 33:33
  And I got I went into my phone and I said I would set a timer a
• 33:42
  couple of hours and no, sorry, it was set a timer for an hour
• 33:46
  and I'll get up, I'll be fresh and we'll go through the
• 33:49
  podcast. I woke up in the middle of the
• 33:52
  night with a message from you saying I guess you've gone to
• 33:54
  sleep. So and I was like, yes, I did.
• 33:56
  What the fuck happened? And I.
• 33:58
  Checked. I checked the timer and what I
• 34:01
  had done was I didn't set an alarm.
• 34:06
  I lapped my, I lapped my nap. So basically I just set, I just
• 34:14
  set a time and I just timed asleep basically.
• 34:19
  I just opened up my phone. I.
• 34:21
  Was like, oh, I didn't set an alarm, I was just absolutely
• 34:24
  mocked over and yeah, just timed my sleep.
• 34:30
  So I was like. Sorry, I was.
• 34:32
  I was sat here. I was like, I was like, nod,
• 34:35
  puke, sip. I was like, oh, poor Danny and I
• 34:42
  was going to have to get drunk and talked into a microphone
• 34:45
  without me being on the other side of it so.
• 34:47
  I would never. Do this alone.
• 34:49
  Are you joking me? No way.
• 34:50
  I'm not funny on my own. Well, I kind of.
• 34:56
  I'm funny. Like I'm like I'm Internet funny
• 34:59
  but I'm not real life funny. You know what I mean?
• 35:02
  Like I can leave some solid comments in on TikTok videos.
• 35:06
  I don't know. I think I think you're very
• 35:08
  funny or very funny in real life as well.
• 35:11
  I do think that you do talk in, you do talk in memes and like
• 35:16
  pop culture, but that's also, yeah, the way I communicate.
• 35:20
  So I think that's that's how it works.
• 35:22
  That's a very millennial like way to talk.
• 35:25
  I think everyone our age kind of does talk like that.
• 35:28
  Yeah. Or I get like different like
• 35:30
  vocal stems every week. They just, they change out.
• 35:33
  So like my friend Mickey, she, she's going to crack up
• 35:35
  listening to this. She said she sent me this video.
• 35:39
  It's not. I have to find it and send it to
• 35:40
  you because you're not going to get it.
• 35:41
  No one on this podcast is going to find it.
• 35:43
  Like no one's going to find it funny except for me, but it's
• 35:46
  like a rotten AI breakdown of each of the American states by
• 35:53
  their favorite food. And Chicago is a deep into
• 35:56
  pizza. Yeah, you, you didn't you.
• 35:58
  Post this I remember you fun in this extremely funny it's.
• 36:03
  So funny. We were just like.
• 36:06
  Every few minutes, Like me and Mikhail.
• 36:07
  Just like crab fish. Bomb.
• 36:13
  The dish that has no name. You better not be tempted by
• 36:19
  Virginia pajamas. But yeah, that's just, that's
• 36:23
  me. I'll just walk around and say
• 36:25
  memes and quotes and stuff all day or now it's today.
• 36:27
  It's Sydney Sweeties American Eagle ad.
• 36:30
  Have you seen that? And how it's apparently very
• 36:33
  white supremacist. I've.
• 36:35
  Heard. I haven't seen it.
• 36:39
  It's. Like chins are passed down from
• 36:41
  pants to aspirin. Jeans dictate many things like
• 36:44
  eye color and even hair color. My jeans are black and it's
• 36:48
  like, you have to see it. That's exactly how you pull it
• 36:52
  up. That's exactly how she sounds.
• 36:54
  It's so fucking funny. And so the whole thing is like
• 36:58
  good jeans being blonde hair, blue eyes.
• 37:01
  And all of her family are like fucking right wing nut jobs as
• 37:05
  well. Like proper MAGA freaks.
• 37:08
  Yeah, look at the ad and tell me that it's not white supremacist.
• 37:12
  It's so funny. It's literally Nazi propaganda.
• 37:15
  But she's the way she's talking. Yeah, but.
• 37:17
  Sydney Sweeney, Danny, she tells me.
• 37:21
  I love her. She tells me like I got sick
• 37:23
  from I've ordered a bunch of Doctor Swatch shower gel that is
• 37:30
  from Med from Sydney Sweeney's Bat Water, and I've been eating
• 37:33
  it. For weeks I couldn't get it.
• 37:36
  I couldn't get it. I tried to get it.
• 37:38
  I haven't literally been eaten. I know.
• 37:40
  That you didn't, but I set like a timer and everything to go for
• 37:44
  when it dropped because there was only like 5000 of them made.
• 37:47
  I just want one because I love her and there's like a hole in
• 37:50
  the middle of it as well. It's like a bar soap with a hole
• 37:52
  in the middle. Legit.
• 37:55
  Yeah, I was like, marketing, marketing, fucking genius.
• 38:00
  Like, legit everything. Oh my God, She's sending
• 38:01
  feminism back. It's like by profiting off of
• 38:04
  goons. I don't think so.
• 38:06
  And like, you like, guarantee there's none of her bath water
• 38:09
  in there. She's just like, yeah, I'll put
• 38:10
  my name on that. That's fine.
• 38:12
  But then he made, like, 5000. And like, I couldn't even get
• 38:15
  onto the website to get it. I was going to send it to my
• 38:17
  friend in America, and he was going to post it back over to me
• 38:19
  because it was like US only. But I was heartbroken.
• 38:22
  I was like, I really want that, that soap.
• 38:26
  I don't know what I would do with it.
• 38:27
  I don't have anything to put in that hole, but like, you know,
• 38:30
  maybe like a candle or something, some flower.
• 38:34
  That's the earliest thing you've ever said, this hole.
• 38:39
  With this penis, my ass is off I'm.
• 38:41
  Going to put a nice candle in it.
• 38:48
  I would though I need to get candle holders.
• 38:51
  I sent you a picture of my fire area.
• 38:53
  I had a little fire. Yeah, what?
• 38:56
  What was that spell going to be? A guy I like didn't text me
• 38:59
  back, so I did a binding spell so that he so that he can't he
• 39:09
  can't stop thinking about me. And then I put loads of blood
• 39:12
  and milk onto the candles and oh.
• 39:17
  My cat? That's crazy.
• 39:19
  That's what your cat. Thinks of your fucking weird
• 39:21
  blood spots. He likes it.
• 39:22
  He sits. Beside me when I do it.
• 39:23
  For anyone who has been tuned with any of the earlier
• 39:25
  episodes, Danny is a witch. I don't know.
• 39:30
  You're. You're probably here with the
• 39:32
  whole hocus pocus kind of a thing.
• 39:33
  That's why it's called hocus pocus.
• 39:36
  Lack of focus. Because Danny's a witch and
• 39:38
  we've all been riddled with fucking ADHD.
• 39:41
  But Danny also talks about how free will is important and you
• 39:48
  have to do nice things. But now she's putting spells on
• 39:51
  me and that they can't stop thinking about her.
• 39:54
  Is that? Well, text me back, Text me
• 39:57
  back. That's all you have to do.
• 39:59
  You can't even text me back. Then fuck it, you're getting a
• 40:01
  hex. Yeah, if you don't text, you get
• 40:03
  in a hex. Yeah, exactly.
• 40:08
  It's like no text girl hex. Like.
• 40:12
  That's gonna literally be when I start, when I become like an
• 40:14
  Etsy witch and I start doing it for people.
• 40:16
  I actually did one for a friend last week.
• 40:19
  I did like a third party removal to make a guy dump his
• 40:22
  girlfriend. I don't know how it went but he
• 40:24
  did text her at like 3:00 AM and ask her if she was up.
• 40:28
  Just saying. Just saying.
• 40:31
  But also my friend re listens to this.
• 40:33
  Hold on. I love watching your brain short
• 40:36
  circuit when you talk about this.
• 40:39
  So. So you put a spell on the guy to
• 40:44
  make him dump his misses so that he text your friend.
• 40:48
  Yeah, well, be with my friend. Be Yeah.
• 40:51
  Well, yeah, OK, but that's. That's working.
• 40:54
  SAT with the text or whatever, yeah.
• 40:56
  Yeah, it's working slow. But what's and he don't.
• 41:01
  Put any fucking spells on me. Not that I I believe in this
• 41:04
  shape up, don't. I did a protection one on you.
• 41:08
  Oh yeah, it was a nice one, yeah.
• 41:11
  What? You know what I'm actually like?
• 41:13
  I'm like that. You know that meme, the gnome
• 41:14
  bacon meme? Just like it's like, sorry, but
• 41:19
  only only gnomes that don't make kids not be able to walk anymore
• 41:22
  get turned down bacon. Like, well, but that kid didn't
• 41:24
  even want to be able to walk. See what I mean by you only
• 41:31
  communicating memes? Yeah.
• 41:33
  The fact that I don't know that meme means I cannot answer what
• 41:39
  the hell you're talking about. It's like, did you put dark
• 41:43
  magic on that kid? Oh, that's what you're mad
• 41:45
  about? It's like, yeah, but it's just.
• 41:49
  Like oh, that kid didn't even want to be able to walk anymore.
• 41:54
  Am I the kid? Did you put that magic on me?
• 41:57
  I know you have a protection spell.
• 41:59
  Anything. You're the gnome, bacon.
• 42:02
  What does a, oh, what does, what does a protection spell mean?
• 42:08
  And by the way, you didn't get my consent to to put a
• 42:13
  protection spell on me, but well.
• 42:14
  There was a bunch of you in one jar, so.
• 42:17
  Oh oh, that will actually even matter.
• 42:20
  So I'm just torn in with a bunch of fucking Dick heads.
• 42:22
  No. Nice people.
• 42:24
  Yeah, no, never mind, nice people.
• 42:25
  Who's in my jar? I'll make you your own jar.
• 42:29
  Yeah, fucking. If I your consent to make you
• 42:32
  your own one and I'll take a picture and send it to you.
• 42:34
  Yeah, but what what does it do again?
• 42:37
  I don't like, I don't like this playing with like even even
• 42:41
  though I'm kind of like, no, like this is this, this can't
• 42:45
  work. But I'm also like.
• 42:47
  Should we be fucking with this stuff?
• 42:48
  Have you noticed anything positive and nice come into your
• 42:52
  life in the last week or so? I've been having a good week,
• 42:55
  Danny. Yeah.
• 42:55
  Is are you going to take? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:58
  Are you going to take credit for my week?
• 43:00
  I'm. Not going to take credit for
• 43:01
  your week. I'm just going to say protection
• 43:03
  spell banishes any bad energies, negative energies.
• 43:06
  Well, I've had pretty good, let's let's just say I've had
• 43:09
  pretty good energy this week. Yeah, there you go.
• 43:12
  Fuck you. I'll take you out of it right
• 43:14
  now and we'll see what. Happens leave me in the, leave
• 43:17
  me in the jar and. Weirdos.
• 43:23
  But yeah, to get back to the the curse, not the curse, not leave
• 43:26
  on Eric curse, we will get back there.
• 43:27
  But the other one. So yeah, I put the spell on this
• 43:31
  guy. So basically it's called third
• 43:33
  party removal. It's like 2 candles, her and
• 43:37
  him, my friend and this guy. And then there's like a like a
• 43:41
  thread and then there's one candle on its own.
• 43:43
  That's the girlfriend and I do all my shit, light all the
• 43:47
  candles and the cord gets cut. So you got to watch how it
• 43:53
  happens and stuff. And like hers was like clinging
• 43:56
  on to the cord. And then even when it burnt and
• 43:59
  it snapped, her cord was like sticking straight out reaching
• 44:02
  for the 2 candles. So I was like, oh, so she
• 44:05
  doesn't want to let it go. And then the next day, well
• 44:10
  America time, 3:00 in the morning, he text my friend and
• 44:15
  was like, been thinking about you, what's up?
• 44:19
  I tried my best to understand what you were talking about
• 44:23
  there, like I really did. I I.
• 44:26
  I know I saw. I saw the face that the face of
• 44:29
  concentration I saw. I've been souls on in.
• 44:31
  And I appreciate that. I have no clue what.
• 44:36
  There's a cord and some candles. You cut the cord.
• 44:39
  Does that signify him ending his relationship?
• 44:43
  Yeah, it's it's cutting the energetic cord between him and
• 44:46
  his girlfriend and tying the energy to him and my friend,
• 44:51
  we'll call her Mary. So yeah.
• 44:53
  And then he texts her. Right.
• 44:56
  Yeah. Which I think is hilarious.
• 44:58
  And so The thing is, is we're all about it, right?
• 45:00
  If you, if you ask someone to perform a spell for you, right,
• 45:05
  that is your spell work. That's not me.
• 45:07
  That doesn't come back on me. I'm doing that for you in your
• 45:11
  name, that you. Don't need to do that, you're a
• 45:13
  conduit. Yeah.
• 45:15
  So that's not going to come back on me.
• 45:16
  That's not bad karma for me or a backfire on me.
• 45:19
  That's. Unfortunate then that's a very
• 45:21
  fucking hand washy way of of like yes, I just ruined I just.
• 45:27
  Ruined. That's why you didn't even want
• 45:28
  to be able to walk anymore. She was the one that invoked it,
• 45:33
  so it's not me. Right.
• 45:37
  Yeah, no horse in that race. Yeah.
• 45:40
  Just mugwort and fire. Yeah, you kind of almost set
• 45:46
  your living room on fire then to to do these kind of spells.
• 45:51
  And how often are you, how often are you performing spells for
• 45:56
  for people or for you? Like you, don't you?
• 45:59
  You say you do like money spells and stuff like that and like you
• 46:01
  do see results. And they work, Yeah.
• 46:03
  I mean, I don't do a lot for other people honestly, unless
• 46:07
  it's like a protection thing that I'll do.
• 46:08
  Unless you're trying to ruin people's relationships.
• 46:10
  I was asked to do that all. Right.
• 46:14
  I was asked to do that, and it's not even a long term
• 46:17
  relationship. They're only together like 6
• 46:19
  months, so it doesn't really matter, doesn't count as a
• 46:21
  relationship. And so it was really funny
• 46:25
  though, because I was like, you need to, I need to get his name.
• 46:27
  And he just sent me a picture of this guy and he just sent me a
• 46:30
  picture of the girlfriend. I felt like a fucking serial
• 46:32
  killer setting the spell up. It was a lot of fun though.
• 46:36
  It was actually a lot of fun. And then I got sick after it,
• 46:38
  which was hilarious. But yeah, no, it was good.
• 46:42
  Just get good. Results but.
• 46:44
  Yeah, it's just a lot of energy used really.
• 46:48
  I just. I just.
• 46:49
  Performed magic and then felt sick after it.
• 46:52
  Like that's fucking weird. You do like sometimes you get
• 46:56
  really drained, like like almost like a hangover, but like
• 47:00
  instantly once the candles go out, it's just like, oh, I gotta
• 47:04
  go lay down. Depending on like the like the
• 47:07
  size of the spell, I guess, and the energy that you're using.
• 47:09
  Like you can do tiny little ones throughout the day, but like big
• 47:12
  ones like that I'll rarely do. I just had time today and I was
• 47:15
  bored. So there's also like I work with
• 47:20
  a new, a new God actually, by the way, that I think you'll
• 47:22
  love him. So my friend Ree, she wants to
• 47:25
  come on the podcast and talk so much.
• 47:26
  She's a witch as well. She's Ree.
• 47:28
  I look forward to never meeting you because every time Danny
• 47:30
  mentions somebody who's coming on, IE Connor and Usheen, never
• 47:36
  have any of these people materialized.
• 47:38
  No, Oshi, we just haven't, we haven't gotten to the Oshi wants
• 47:40
  to talk about aliens. That's why we're going to wait
• 47:42
  for for that. I think we should bring them on
• 47:44
  more about the pyramids. Yeah.
• 47:46
  Or bring on the one about the pyramids because he loves it.
• 47:48
  And then Connor is just a fucking bitch.
• 47:50
  Like, I don't know where Connor is.
• 47:52
  So she wants to come on. So she's more like herbal witch
• 47:55
  and like moon cycles is kind of her thing.
• 47:58
  Very wicked, yeah. Yeah, she's taught me a lot
• 48:01
  about it and stuff and like, parallel magic, but she informed
• 48:04
  me of this God. So I work currently with
• 48:07
  Hecatane, Persephone and Aphrodite, Right.
• 48:10
  And then she was like, oh, have you heard of like Dionysus?
• 48:12
  Why? I was like.
• 48:13
  Yeah, Dionysus. He's the God you say that are.
• 48:18
  We doing a Dionysus? Episode I've been saying it
• 48:19
  wrong well, this is right so then you'll find this hilarious
• 48:23
  if you know who he is right so. Little fucking barrel wanker, I
• 48:26
  love him. Legit right.
• 48:28
  So she told me she's like, oh, like look into him.
• 48:30
  I think you guys would work really well together.
• 48:32
  God of like wine and mayhem and madness and theater and just
• 48:37
  just a fucking party boy basically, right.
• 48:39
  So she was like, oh, make him an offer and see if he'll work with
• 48:42
  you. So I was like grand whatever.
• 48:44
  So I did some divination before I pulled some cards, asked him
• 48:48
  if you wanted to do you know what I bought in my head to give
• 48:51
  to him like the first thing? A condom and body oil.
• 48:56
  So he's up there with a condom, body oil, a glass of red wine,
• 49:01
  honey and pomegranate. That's his favorite thing.
• 49:04
  And he lets me call him Daddy. Yeah, let's me call him Daddy
• 49:09
  because I called him an accident.
• 49:10
  His motor was turned into a bee. Yeah, so.
• 49:13
  And he was, he was born. So he's called like the twice
• 49:15
  born God because. Yeah, he was born of fucking
• 49:19
  Zeus's fucking thigh, wasn't he? Isn't.
• 49:22
  That yeah, yeah. So he like Zeus, slung it
• 49:27
  everywhere. He was always after something.
• 49:30
  And his mother is actually mortal.
• 49:34
  And then Zeus's wife found out and then made tricked her into
• 49:40
  getting Zeus to show his real self to her.
• 49:43
  And she like combusted. And then the baby fell out.
• 49:46
  And then he had to like, sew him into his thigh until he was
• 49:50
  actually ready to be born again. It's a crazy story, but yeah,
• 49:54
  he's all set up on my altar there and I just think it just
• 49:58
  gives me more of an excuse to be drunk constantly because I'm
• 50:00
  like, I'm just worshipping. Yeah, it's the the Dionysus
• 50:04
  story is a is a really good because it actually ties all
• 50:07
  into when the Greeks discovered wine, they started worshipping
• 50:14
  Dionysus and then they became this rabid bunch of fucking
• 50:17
  lunatics because they discovered fermentation process for wine
• 50:23
  and they started turning away from the other gods and going
• 50:29
  into going towards Dionysus, who is like he's not just like the
• 50:34
  God of wine, but he's the God of like free thinking spirited like
• 50:40
  he's like we're. Liberation as well, like yeah,
• 50:45
  freedom and sexuality and. Yeah, they drank wine, which by
• 50:49
  the way, it was shite compared to what we have now, like with
• 50:53
  the chemical process, all that kind of stuff.
• 50:55
  But because they had no tolerance for a they'd get
• 50:58
  fucked up on wine and have these go into the woods and have these
• 51:02
  ritualistic parties were all right each other and fucking
• 51:05
  tear open animals and eat them raw out in the fucking middle of
• 51:09
  the woods and pray to. So, yeah, you've picked a good
• 51:14
  God there. It's it's mad that you that I
• 51:18
  was actually listening to a little bit of Dionysus lore like
• 51:21
  a couple of weeks ago and that you've now, yeah, you've now
• 51:24
  kind of jumped. In.
• 51:26
  Yeah. That's the thing.
• 51:29
  And like, I was, I was saying it like Celine Dionysus.
• 51:32
  I was like, yeah, I know Dionysus because I've never
• 51:37
  heard of him before. I'd never heard the name before
• 51:41
  until I read. Was texting me and she told me
• 51:43
  and I was reading up on it and I like, I didn't hear how it was
• 51:47
  said. But yeah, he's all set up there.
• 51:49
  And then I ordered. So I've shown you the pictures
• 51:51
  I've got, like my statue of Hecate and Persephone.
• 51:54
  Aphrodite is on the way. I have to order her from.
• 51:56
  I do have a past and interest in the Greek gods, in the pantheon
• 52:00
  of Greek gods like so Dionysus is.
• 52:03
  Really cool. He's a really interesting story
• 52:05
  if anyone is interested in listening to like or even read
• 52:09
  and I don't know what what like. I'm a dog brain so I can only
• 52:13
  kind of listen to audio books. Like that?
• 52:15
  He thought by fucking Stephen Frey and it's really good.
• 52:22
  It's like kind of because it's a, it's a lot of information to
• 52:26
  take in, but he kind of makes it interesting enough like and bite
• 52:31
  sized enough that like you can take in the information and kind
• 52:34
  of retain it because the Greek pantheon is fucking huge.
• 52:38
  Insane as well and it's just drama.
• 52:41
  It's all just like so messy and how they all know each other and
• 52:45
  how they all like. So I when I was setting up my
• 52:48
  altar, it's like AI did a lot of research into it.
• 52:51
  So Hecate and Persephone, I have these like huge like platters
• 52:55
  that I have like their herbs and stuff set on the stones that
• 52:58
  they like all that kind of stuff.
• 53:00
  And so Persephone and Hecate are fine sharing one of those.
• 53:05
  So I've got them on one. He's on his own because he
• 53:08
  doesn't play well with anyone else because he's mental.
• 53:11
  And it would like basically I was going to put him with
• 53:13
  Aphrodite, but then Aphrodite is like nice and flirty and loving
• 53:17
  and sweet and he's just like. Go fucking write everything.
• 53:19
  So they wouldn't, like, work together.
• 53:24
  Yeah. And it just depends on that.
• 53:26
  Like, so Hecate is very much like queen of the witches.
• 53:29
  She's the one I would go to for protection, always.
• 53:31
  So she's always the one keeping me safe.
• 53:34
  And then you've got Persephone, which is like Queen of the
• 53:35
  Underworld. It's all kind of they tie in
• 53:37
  really nicely together and the duality is there.
• 53:39
  But yeah, you can't put Dianesus with like any anybody.
• 53:43
  Else. Because he's just like, it's,
• 53:45
  it's like putting Chris Ponte as his party boy in a quiet
• 53:49
  library. Like the only way I can describe
• 53:53
  it. But yeah, like literally I was,
• 53:56
  I was calling cards and stuff on it and I had to text re.
• 53:58
  And I was like, why is this man Loki sexting me through tarot
• 54:00
  cards? She was.
• 54:02
  Just like that's literally what he's like.
• 54:05
  How does he play into the tarot card?
• 54:08
  So like, are you because I thought tarot just like worked
• 54:11
  like you do tarot everyday, Yeah.
• 54:13
  Yeah, yeah. So it's called, it's divination.
• 54:17
  Divination. So you basically I do divination
• 54:20
  before every spell that I do just to check if AI can do the
• 54:26
  spell B, if the spell will work, see what consequences I'm going
• 54:30
  to get from doing the spell and then yeah, go from there.
• 54:35
  So you ask these questions. So like I'll pull you can ask
• 54:38
  the most specific shit that you want to ask.
• 54:40
  Now I just want just for the audience at home, not for me.
• 54:44
  I definitely know, but divination.
• 54:46
  Could you explain that one? Basically you are talking to the
• 54:50
  divine, to Spirit and you're connecting and grounding
• 54:53
  yourself with them before you go out and you do any energy
• 54:56
  working or anything like that. So that's what you're doing to
• 54:59
  tarot is just divination. You're connecting to Spirit.
• 55:01
  You're connecting to whatever you want to call it, the
• 55:03
  universe, God, like, whatever you want to call it and.
• 55:07
  I have a feeling. There's going to be an.
• 55:09
  Apparel in my life in the future, I have a feeling I'm
• 55:12
  probably going to be fucking getting my cards right.
• 55:15
  You're going to get yeah, you're.
• 55:17
  I'll do one for you. I think on the next episode
• 55:19
  it'll be funny to do one for you.
• 55:21
  But yeah, so you ask all these questions.
• 55:23
  So what I do is I'll shuffle really fast, whatever like pops
• 55:26
  out. That means the energy is like
• 55:28
  everywhere after you ask the question.
• 55:30
  And these cards will all, they all have different meanings to
• 55:32
  them and they'll have a different meaning and a
• 55:34
  different context. So I normally will do 3 cards if
• 55:38
  it's just a simple question. If I want to get a.
• 55:40
  Reading like on myself, like my situation, I'll do like like a
• 55:44
  Celtic cross spread, which is A10 card spread and it's like
• 55:50
  past, present, future fears, hopes, outcome.
• 55:54
  Like it's it's all broken down into that and then you just
• 55:57
  basically would decipher it from the meaning of the cards
• 56:00
  together in that context. How many cards are you?
• 56:02
  Are you flipping at this stage like?
• 56:06
  What do you mean? Like I thought it was just like
• 56:08
  3 cards because everything you see it in media, it's always
• 56:11
  just like 3 cards. The joke is always like.
• 56:14
  Oh, you can. Death, Death.
• 56:15
  Death. Yeah.
• 56:16
  No. Yeah, no, you can do like
• 56:18
  there's so many different tarot spreads that you can do for
• 56:21
  different things. Like you can go anywhere from
• 56:25
  like you can do like A1 card pull.
• 56:27
  If you want a yes or no answer, you can you can do your three.
• 56:29
  You can do 65 like whatever. There's like I get the one that
• 56:32
  I like to do is Celtic cross, which is 10.
• 56:36
  But yeah, there's not really a limit on it.
• 56:37
  And if you keep like you can keep pulling.
• 56:39
  If you like say you get something and you're like, OK,
• 56:41
  well clarify why this is here. Pull that.
• 56:43
  You're like, OK, I can link this to this.
• 56:45
  That makes more sense. You keep going until like, like
• 56:47
  you understand what they're trying to tell you.
• 56:49
  Yeah, key pulling is a model I have used a lot in my life.
• 56:55
  I mean, yeah, but it is like it's, it's, it's mad because
• 56:58
  it's like it gives you like a good kind of count, like not
• 57:02
  calms you down, but it just gives you like a nice set you up
• 57:04
  for the day, kind of. I like to do it in the morning
• 57:06
  for myself. I'll just do a three card, like
• 57:10
  what's the energy today? What do I need to know today?
• 57:12
  And it just kind of, yeah, just sets you up for the, makes you
• 57:14
  have a little think about things.
• 57:16
  But I love. Doing it, I think it's like it's
• 57:17
  really good. I've read from friends and stuff
• 57:19
  before, but yeah, I like doing it.
• 57:22
  So divination basically, as you can ask questions like I was
• 57:26
  asking Genesis, I'm sorry, not to say Dionys, I was asking him
• 57:32
  like questions and it was just the most sexual cards that you
• 57:37
  could pull. I was just like, OK, Harry,
• 57:40
  whatever, I. Was like he, he.
• 57:43
  He does seem like a bit of a freak.
• 57:44
  Yeah. Oh, he's just like, yeah, he is.
• 57:46
  He's like literally. And it's even things like that.
• 57:50
  So I used him today for that binding spell.
• 57:53
  So yeah. And any spells to do with like
• 57:56
  sex magic or anything, or like he's quite good at that.
• 57:59
  Blood magic as well. I'd say.
• 58:01
  Our good buddy Alistair Crowley will probably be into a bit of
• 58:04
  Dionysus. Oh, probably.
• 58:07
  But yeah, I mean, and it's it's this is another reason that we
• 58:10
  have to get re on because like her working is so different to
• 58:13
  mine. Her craft, like it's completely
• 58:16
  different. Like she doesn't do blood magic
• 58:17
  or anything like that, but she's very much more like herbal and
• 58:23
  like she's like her backyard. She's planted all of the like,
• 58:27
  you know, the major herbs that you know she would use.
• 58:29
  Like she homegrown stuff. She always is on top of the moon
• 58:32
  cycles, everything like that. Now I don't know a lot about.
• 58:35
  The moon cycles, but I do every full moon and every new moon
• 58:38
  I'll make moon water. Why is moon water?
• 58:44
  So you just basically you cleanse it like a container,
• 58:47
  like a bottle, whatever you want.
• 58:48
  I always keep my fancy like booze bottles for this.
• 58:53
  You clean it out, like cleanse it with like incense and stuff
• 58:55
  like that, fill it with water and then just leave it outside
• 58:58
  in the full moon or on a new moon.
• 59:00
  Take it back in before the sun comes up.
• 59:02
  It's charged then with essence of the moon.
• 59:05
  Well, like, but there's a physically collected like Jew
• 59:07
  like is that? No, it's just it's the water
• 59:09
  itself that's inside. Well, sorry, you put water.
• 59:12
  Sorry. Sorry.
• 59:13
  Yeah, Yeah, you put water in there and it gets charged by the
• 59:16
  moon. Sorry if any Jews are affected
• 59:18
  by by my slam. But.
• 59:23
  Sorry, yeah, you put bottles of. Water, yeah.
• 59:26
  Yeah, OK. Right, right.
• 59:27
  Yeah. And it's charged by the moon.
• 59:30
  Charged by the moon. So I have full moon water and I
• 59:32
  have new moon water. And so when I did the spell to
• 59:36
  get the job that I wanted that I ended up getting, I used new
• 59:41
  moon water because it signifies new energy, like starting
• 59:44
  something new, bringing new in. And full moon water is more so
• 59:47
  like protection and, and things like that and intention, which
• 59:51
  is really good. You can go to the sea, get sea.
• 59:53
  Water. You do different things.
• 59:55
  You can like literally graveyard dirt.
• 59:57
  I've got some graveyard dirt over there.
• 1:00:00
  Different things for everything. Dead bugs like that's my.
• 1:00:03
  Hobbies though, isn't it like. Pokémon.
• 1:00:06
  Or she was saying this to me as well.
• 1:00:08
  And he was like, it's mad because it's like it's a cheap
• 1:00:11
  hobby because everything that you need, you can you can get
• 1:00:13
  for free somewhere. Like it's just like, yeah, buyer
• 1:00:16
  like the books and stuff. Yeah.
• 1:00:18
  And he also, he keeps bees. He's of beekeeping age.
• 1:00:22
  He's going to make me some candles with his own bees.
• 1:00:27
  Wax, obviously, like the dream for me would be to have a
• 1:00:31
  little, just a little bit of land and have like a bunch of
• 1:00:34
  animals on it. But I always was like, yeah, I I
• 1:00:37
  owe the universe bees, you know, like I owe this world bees.
• 1:00:41
  Like there's not enough bees. I like saying bees I love.
• 1:00:44
  Bees. But.
• 1:00:46
  You'd see me as well like on my story.
• 1:00:47
  I don't know how many times I've posted like I'll just feed bees.
• 1:00:50
  I bought a bee revival kit like because it was like the charity
• 1:00:55
  goes towards say the bees. It's like fiber.
• 1:00:57
  And I was just like, it's so cute.
• 1:00:59
  But like he has like all these bees and then they're in the
• 1:01:03
  actual hives that they have. They're on like church grounds
• 1:01:08
  where Mary Shelley, who wrote Frankenstein is buried.
• 1:01:12
  So she's she's buried there. So they're little goth bees that
• 1:01:14
  are going to be making my candles.
• 1:01:16
  Yeah, Mary, Mary, Mary Shelley wrote Frankenstein when she was
• 1:01:20
  like fucking 15. Yeah, and she lost her virginity
• 1:01:24
  on her mother's grave. Well, there you go.
• 1:01:30
  We. Could do an episode on her.
• 1:01:31
  She was cracked in the head. Mary.
• 1:01:33
  Shelley's fella not to go off in a big fucking rat, but was.
• 1:01:37
  He was he. William Blake or am I gone
• 1:01:40
  fucking mad? I don't actually know a lot
• 1:01:43
  about her. Yeah, there's not a lot too
• 1:01:45
  normal. Did you know that Frankenstein
• 1:01:48
  isn't actually the monster, right?
• 1:01:50
  Do you want to get back into the?
• 1:01:53
  End. No, it's actually surprised me.
• 1:01:56
  It surprised me so much that people don't know that.
• 1:01:58
  But yeah, it's just common sense of the fact that it's Doctor
• 1:02:02
  Frankenstein and his monster. I want to go watch Young
• 1:02:07
  Frankenstein now again. The Mel Brooks movie.
• 1:02:10
  So fucking good. Oh, so with that, Gene Wilder?
• 1:02:14
  Yeah, it's so good, Yeah. It's it's really good.
• 1:02:18
  I like it. It's Frankenstein and let's get
• 1:02:21
  back into the bond. Erik's then because our witty
• 1:02:24
  banter turned into Danny's spoken spells.
• 1:02:28
  You asked questions. No, actually I'm not interested
• 1:02:31
  to be honest with you, I am. I am really interested to that
• 1:02:33
  but. This is why we'll get Rayon.
• 1:02:36
  She'd love to do it because she's like has a world of
• 1:02:39
  knowledge, like more than me. She's been practicing a lot
• 1:02:41
  longer than me and like I just went hardcore in with the blood
• 1:02:44
  and bodily fluids that she doesn't do.
• 1:02:49
  But OK, so. We have our first brother down
• 1:02:52
  and out, a little kid that drowned in the puddle.
• 1:02:55
  Which? A lot of people say that this
• 1:02:58
  marked the start of the curse. So the curse is the kind of the
• 1:03:05
  supernaturally part of things that like it has been contested.
• 1:03:09
  So you want to get into like the origin of the actual curse
• 1:03:12
  itself? So there's like a bunch of
• 1:03:14
  different theories of what it could be.
• 1:03:18
  So there is the obvious one where Fritz soul to soul to make
• 1:03:25
  it big in wrestling. The the main thing really.
• 1:03:28
  Is that he did, he did sell his soul.
• 1:03:31
  He did a few. I mean like this is obviously
• 1:03:34
  all alleged he did a few on a livings of people to get this
• 1:03:42
  curse done, offered a lot of things to the wrong people to
• 1:03:45
  get this worked up, which in turn that was his curse.
• 1:03:50
  He was fine till the very end as well wasn't he?
• 1:03:52
  And his he like he outlived all of a sudden but one.
• 1:03:56
  Yeah, he outlived everyone except for the 1 so.
• 1:04:00
  But yeah, there's the story of all alleged, all hearsay, but
• 1:04:05
  like that he sold his soul for this, for the chance to become
• 1:04:10
  successful in professional wrestling.
• 1:04:13
  There was the story I heard of him being reached out to by a
• 1:04:17
  spirit who was a Holocaust survivor.
• 1:04:21
  Yeah, I've heard that one as well.
• 1:04:23
  Right, so the first one, deal with the devil.
• 1:04:25
  Some fans and expiracy lovers whispered that Fritz Von Eric,
• 1:04:28
  obsessed with building a wrestling empire, made a deal
• 1:04:31
  metaphorically or supernaturally to secure fame and legacy, and
• 1:04:34
  in return the price was his sons bloodline pressure theory.
• 1:04:40
  Fritz was known to push his son's heart into wrestling
• 1:04:42
  whether they wanted it or not. David loved it, Mike didn't.
• 1:04:46
  Chris wasn't physically built for it.
• 1:04:47
  Carrie was crushed by expectation, and that
• 1:04:50
  generational pressure is seen as some a curse of ego, the family
• 1:04:55
  collapsing under the weight of its own image 3 folklore style
• 1:05:00
  theory cursed of the Iron Claw, the Von Erich's finishing move.
• 1:05:03
  The Iron Claw wasn't just a wrestling gimmick, it became
• 1:05:06
  symbolic of the grip of tragedy, the grip that tragedy had on
• 1:05:09
  their lives. Some fans believe that every
• 1:05:12
  time the move was used in a match, it echoed the grip of
• 1:05:15
  death and loss tightening on the family.
• 1:05:18
  So, yeah, in real world terms, the death of Jack Junior is the
• 1:05:22
  the technical beginning of it. But emotionally and
• 1:05:27
  symbolically, the death of David triggered the spiral, the loss
• 1:05:33
  that broke the family spirit and then LED to years and years of
• 1:05:36
  trauma and guilt. And I mean, majority suicides
• 1:05:39
  really, which is kind of kind of huge.
• 1:05:43
  Why don't you go into the the Holocaust survivor theory?
• 1:05:47
  Really quick I think it was a it was one of these stories that
• 1:05:51
  kind of circulated around that Fritz von Eric was was
• 1:05:59
  approached by a Holocaust survivor.
• 1:06:01
  I know an old woman. Some people say it was an old
• 1:06:04
  man whatever. And they talked about how they
• 1:06:07
  were they got to see all their sons, bar one die in the
• 1:06:12
  Holocaust. And because he was portraying a
• 1:06:15
  Nazi at the time that the they took it upon themselves to say,
• 1:06:19
  like, you know, now you're cursed because you are a Nazi or
• 1:06:23
  you're portraying a Nazi by different stories go around.
• 1:06:27
  By the way it is. But the idea is that an old
• 1:06:31
  person put a curse, an old Holocaust survivor put a curse
• 1:06:35
  on Fritz for either being a Nazi or portraying a Nazi and
• 1:06:39
  depending on their understanding of it.
• 1:06:42
  And that, yeah, that he will see the same faith as them all bar
• 1:06:46
  one of the sons will will die. Yeah.
• 1:06:48
  Again, I think like this kind of stuff, the the the supernatural
• 1:06:53
  side of things, which kind of isn't even needed in this story.
• 1:06:56
  But I think that was kind of perpetuated by people who some
• 1:07:01
  people who just wanted to kind of sell a story, and then
• 1:07:05
  there's other people who wanted to make sense of such a tragic
• 1:07:08
  end and like to make sense of a story that is kind of
• 1:07:11
  unrealistic as well. Yeah, like that.
• 1:07:14
  That's exactly it. Like, I think, again, me being
• 1:07:17
  like a paranormal person. And so it's just like, it's so
• 1:07:21
  hard to believe that that amount of tragedy would befall one
• 1:07:27
  family and over such a short period of time as well.
• 1:07:31
  Like it really was over just a few years.
• 1:07:33
  It's fucking crazy. And I mean, I know like, the
• 1:07:38
  wrestling industry, like, especially back then, would have
• 1:07:41
  been a lot more brutal than it is today.
• 1:07:44
  Like everyone would have been fucking fucked up on drugs,
• 1:07:47
  alcohol, like they barely got home to see their families.
• 1:07:51
  Like it was it was rough. Like it's I mean, it's rough
• 1:07:54
  today. You have to like do a lot of
• 1:07:55
  traveling and stuff for it, but like it's back then was a
• 1:07:58
  completely different beast, really toxic, really horrible.
• 1:08:03
  And I still like, even with all of that, I'm like, doesn't,
• 1:08:09
  doesn't fucking. That's not enough to like, you
• 1:08:12
  know what I mean? Like considering the majority of
• 1:08:15
  the deaths or suicides are just insane to me.
• 1:08:19
  Like it's not, it's I don't know, I can't, I can't make
• 1:08:23
  sense of it at all. Like, you know what I mean?
• 1:08:25
  Like. I think what what people would
• 1:08:30
  kind of say, the reason why it became so tragic in the final
• 1:08:37
  days is because growing up how it was like, how Fritz was as a
• 1:08:41
  father, really, they said he was a disciplinarian, which kind of
• 1:08:45
  is, you know, it's shorthand for being a bad bastard.
• 1:08:50
  You know what I mean? Like he was, he was a kind of a
• 1:08:53
  the father who like, for want of a better term, ruled with an
• 1:08:57
  iron fist. He was very strict on the sons
• 1:09:01
  and he forced them to live a life that was in his shadow and
• 1:09:08
  to follow him, you know, if you get what I'm saying.
• 1:09:10
  So like, yeah, I'm not sure which, like how many of the sons
• 1:09:14
  actually really would have wanted that lifestyle if it
• 1:09:18
  wasn't for the pressure on the platter.
• 1:09:20
  So he put a lot of pressure on them to be athletes.
• 1:09:24
  He put a lot of pressure on them in school, like to to to be
• 1:09:27
  football stars, to be track stars, to push themselves.
• 1:09:32
  And because he eventually wanted them to take over this
• 1:09:35
  wrestling, but not even take over this wrestling business,
• 1:09:37
  but to be involved in this wrestling business under his
• 1:09:39
  tutelage. And you got to look at the way
• 1:09:42
  he was trained as well by Stuhart, who would just take you
• 1:09:44
  down into the basement and beat the.
• 1:09:46
  Oh. Yeah.
• 1:09:47
  You know what I mean? Like you've.
• 1:09:48
  Got that's how he was. He was trained and he was taught
• 1:09:51
  into it. So we don't like he was probably
• 1:09:53
  doing the same fucking thing to his kids.
• 1:09:55
  Like they're probably getting a ship out of them.
• 1:09:57
  Oh 100% and like even. Went.
• 1:09:59
  Into this industry. Yeah, even without like the the
• 1:10:02
  the kind of toxic side of this industry that you're kind of
• 1:10:05
  explaining as well as like only the tough survive that kind of
• 1:10:08
  thing. But if you think about like
• 1:10:10
  Fritz, where he came from and who he is really like, he's kind
• 1:10:14
  of like he's a baby boomer in Cold War America who went to
• 1:10:19
  Korea. I believe it was a savage war as
• 1:10:22
  well. Like it was not not a fun time
• 1:10:24
  for any of the people there and so.
• 1:10:27
  Red Ford and without a heart, basically.
• 1:10:30
  Like. Yeah, that's a fucking good
• 1:10:32
  summation of who Fritz while Eric is.
• 1:10:36
  If you kind of think about who Fritz is, you can kind of see
• 1:10:39
  that the like the the whole he has all over the the family as
• 1:10:43
  well. So he he Doris is his wife and
• 1:10:46
  she's a very loving mother. She's a like she's kind of seems
• 1:10:50
  to be a sweetheart, but she puts up with so much from from Fritz.
• 1:10:54
  Like he moves her like fucking to and from the country to, to
• 1:10:59
  like follow his kind of dreams and aspirations.
• 1:11:01
  Like when he's living in a trailer and like he has them
• 1:11:04
  living in a trailer when they first moved to Texas and stuff
• 1:11:07
  like that. Whereas like they had a good
• 1:11:09
  life in Canada from what you could see like and yeah, but
• 1:11:14
  like he kind of just everything was, was by his standard, by his
• 1:11:19
  rules. And when it came to the kids,
• 1:11:22
  Kevin being the the oldest, I think he was the one that him
• 1:11:26
  and him, David and Kerry were kind of close in age.
• 1:11:29
  And Kevin kind of took it upon himself to be the kind of caring
• 1:11:34
  side of like the the. Yeah.
• 1:11:37
  The kind of soft side that they didn't get from the father.
• 1:11:40
  He tried to be that with the rest of his brothers.
• 1:11:43
  And I think that's they, they formed a bond.
• 1:11:46
  The brothers did in kind of #1 they were all kind of close in
• 1:11:52
  age. They were all brothers.
• 1:11:53
  They were living a life like, you know, a free young American
• 1:11:58
  kids like where there was no yeah, in Internet.
• 1:12:02
  They probably didn't watch fucking TV at all.
• 1:12:04
  They were just out having a good time.
• 1:12:06
  Like the fucking Dukes, a hazard, you know, like the
• 1:12:09
  getting off to all sorts of fucking hijinks.
• 1:12:11
  And and the thing that probably solidified the bond more than
• 1:12:16
  anything is the fact that they had this overbearing fat or who
• 1:12:19
  kind of was overly strict with them and was kind of dictating
• 1:12:23
  every part of every aspect of their life.
• 1:12:25
  And not just from their childhood like into adulthood as
• 1:12:28
  well, which is kind of kind of see the the hole he has on these
• 1:12:32
  guys open to their adult waves, even when they're married and
• 1:12:36
  stuff and we get. As well.
• 1:12:39
  Sorry, go on. Not Kevin.
• 1:12:42
  Like even being obviously the only one that's still alive,
• 1:12:44
  he's fucked off to an island now down in.
• 1:12:48
  Hawaii. Yeah, he's living.
• 1:12:49
  In Hawaii, he wants to get as far.
• 1:12:52
  Yeah. And he's, he's determined to, to
• 1:12:54
  kind of break that curse, which I, I think it's like pretty safe
• 1:12:59
  to assume he has done that. He's moved away or whatever.
• 1:13:03
  Like this. The family seem really happy
• 1:13:04
  they've got a ranch out there. He's got all of his kids and his
• 1:13:07
  grandkids living on that same ranch with them and like he.
• 1:13:10
  Seems like one of the most wholesome characters you could
• 1:13:12
  come across really like. Someone who has been.
• 1:13:14
  Plagued with such tragedy. Yeah, like, I mean, even in that
• 1:13:17
  Dark Side of the Ring episode when they interviewed him and
• 1:13:21
  stuff at the end, like he just a sweet man, just like has seen a
• 1:13:25
  lot, been through a lot. And I think this, this is like
• 1:13:27
  him being down there with his family now is like, this is his
• 1:13:31
  like, I guess reparations, like he's, you know what I mean?
• 1:13:34
  He's living in peace, basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:36
  Peace that he deserves. Let's let's go through what
• 1:13:39
  happened that the tragedy that was his, his life, I suppose.
• 1:13:43
  Right. So the first death that we have
• 1:13:46
  after Jack is David. Now David had He was the most
• 1:13:53
  promising 1. He was kind of getting up there
• 1:13:56
  in the wrestling scene before anybody else.
• 1:13:58
  He died in 1984 when he was on tour in Japan.
• 1:14:03
  He was just 25. The official cause was acute and
• 1:14:08
  enteritis. So how you say that?
• 1:14:10
  Yeah. But there have been long, like,
• 1:14:12
  rumors of overdose and his death shocked the wrestling world and
• 1:14:17
  kicked off that chain of devastation.
• 1:14:19
  So he had literally just gotten married as well.
• 1:14:22
  And yeah, he was. He was making it big in
• 1:14:25
  wrestling. He was going to.
• 1:14:25
  He was set to be like one of the next big guys.
• 1:14:29
  Yeah. He.
• 1:14:30
  Was ready to face Ric Flair, who was one of the most prominent
• 1:14:35
  figures in professional wrestling and he was going to go
• 1:14:37
  take Flair's title, which is a massive deal.
• 1:14:42
  And so that was all kind of it was it was in the cards for for
• 1:14:47
  David and it was kind of written like he was the tallest of the
• 1:14:50
  brothers. And he was again, as we said
• 1:14:52
  earlier on, he done the best promo.
• 1:14:54
  So like he was the best talker. He was the one that could sell
• 1:14:57
  the business to anybody. He was full of emotion and
• 1:15:00
  technically he was really good and he had all the guys had very
• 1:15:04
  different styles, but he was probably the most technically
• 1:15:07
  proficient of the of the brothers, even though he was
• 1:15:11
  kind of like the biggest guy. So like all of the like, he kind
• 1:15:16
  of had everything. He had like the same in pro
• 1:15:19
  wrestling, like there's a few kind of things that you need and
• 1:15:23
  it's look, physical ability and and your promo character, your
• 1:15:30
  charisma. And so he had all of them and in
• 1:15:33
  spades as well. So he was kind of like he was in
• 1:15:37
  the cards for being like the next top guy in American
• 1:15:40
  wrestling and or at least in regionally around where like,
• 1:15:46
  you know. Yeah, like on tier with with
• 1:15:49
  flair and all those guys. Yeah.
• 1:15:51
  But like, he had a fallen out with his father and so that he
• 1:15:55
  kind of went and travel a little bit.
• 1:15:58
  And that's why I think people were saying that he got so much
• 1:16:01
  better than his brothers because he actually branched out.
• 1:16:03
  We got out from under the tongue of his father.
• 1:16:05
  And he learned, yeah, by actually wrestling around the
• 1:16:09
  loops in different, different circles and.
• 1:16:12
  Wasn't he as, well? Fritz didn't want them training
• 1:16:14
  elsewhere. That was like a huge thing.
• 1:16:16
  Yeah, I think that was a huge thing in the in general back in
• 1:16:19
  those days in wrestling. Like it's a if you train one
• 1:16:21
  person, you don't train anywhere else.
• 1:16:23
  Yeah, yeah. So like fucking train.
• 1:16:25
  If you go elsewhere. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:16:27
  Yeah, you kind of get you kind of get blackballed out of place
• 1:16:29
  as if you leave them like, you know, because loyalty was a big
• 1:16:32
  thing back in the day. And for David to have left his
• 1:16:35
  father there would have had to been the big riff there.
• 1:16:37
  Because again, Fritz had kind of this iron hole on these guys.
• 1:16:42
  And David's like his brothers were amazed that he actually got
• 1:16:47
  out and and went and wrestled elsewhere because they were
• 1:16:49
  like, Oh my God, there is no wrestling outside of outside of
• 1:16:53
  our Texas wrestling. Like you shouldn't, you
• 1:16:56
  shouldn't. They were running world class
• 1:16:58
  championship wrestling at the time.
• 1:17:00
  And it was like, Oh, you, you can't leave this territory
• 1:17:03
  because, because what would you know, what would daddy do?
• 1:17:06
  Like that's that's the kind of thing like he's going to go
• 1:17:08
  fucking crazy. But David kind of left that that
• 1:17:11
  brought into Japan, which is a he was after reconciling with
• 1:17:16
  Fritz at the time, and Fritz got him the, the, the the book.
• 1:17:20
  And in Japan, in fairness, Fritz did like did sell his sons onto
• 1:17:25
  different, like different countries, different kind of
• 1:17:28
  territories outside of America as well.
• 1:17:30
  But what he would do is he would take most of their money so that
• 1:17:36
  like he had a, he had a handling fee for these for his sons,
• 1:17:39
  basically, which kept them needing him.
• 1:17:43
  So if they got too much money, they'll be able to branch out
• 1:17:46
  and and leave, you know, and kind of do their own thing.
• 1:17:49
  But he'd get them hooked in these places.
• 1:17:52
  And then he like I think if if they got a match in Japan, I
• 1:17:58
  think they were getting 2 1/2 rounds for Japan and then he
• 1:18:01
  would take 1000 of it. Like so you know, like fucking
• 1:18:05
  more, more than 1/3 of the fee would actually go to him.
• 1:18:08
  And I don't think it was because he was a greedy man.
• 1:18:10
  I think it was because he wanted to control his sons true money
• 1:18:14
  as well as kind of like physically controlled them and
• 1:18:17
  also mentally controlled. But he was controlling
• 1:18:20
  financially as well, which is kind of like fucking and all out
• 1:18:23
  assault and control and all. Yeah, like, and that was,
• 1:18:26
  that's, it was another huge thing as well that like David
• 1:18:29
  and his wife were constantly having money problems and, you
• 1:18:33
  know, almost getting evicted. And they absolutely shouldn't
• 1:18:36
  have, because he was making more than enough money for them to
• 1:18:39
  both live very, very comfortably.
• 1:18:41
  And she couldn't, she couldn't understand that that's what was
• 1:18:43
  causing a lot of friction in their marriage as well, because
• 1:18:44
  she couldn't understand that how he was working so hard and doing
• 1:18:47
  so much dates and basically working himself into the grave,
• 1:18:51
  but not making enough money. And it's because Fritz was
• 1:18:53
  pocketing most of the money. Yeah, and it is hard, like as
• 1:18:56
  like as someone who's gone out with wrestler, like it is hard,
• 1:18:58
  like not having them around all the time, you know what I mean?
• 1:19:01
  Like them being gone or like for, you know, obviously like
• 1:19:04
  not as much as like David would have been at that time or
• 1:19:07
  whatever. But it is hard.
• 1:19:09
  And then when it's like you're all so fucking broke and you're
• 1:19:12
  like, well, I never see you. Our marriage is like suffering.
• 1:19:16
  We're going to get kicked out the house.
• 1:19:18
  We're behind on bills. You're working so hard.
• 1:19:20
  And plus you've this over this whole overarching thing, which
• 1:19:24
  is you're fat or why is he so controlling in like the life of
• 1:19:29
  this guy? So like his father's controlling
• 1:19:32
  every aspect who he like, who he works with, where he has his
• 1:19:35
  fucking dinner sometimes, you know what I mean?
• 1:19:37
  You got to come home and have your fucking dinner with your
• 1:19:38
  family. Like this kind of stuff.
• 1:19:40
  Like, so you don't understand where the friction was.
• 1:19:42
  So that's where like on camera, these guys were all very clean
• 1:19:46
  cut at all American boys, you know, the, the, the white meat
• 1:19:50
  baby faces, the good guys, the, the, the, the ultimate good
• 1:19:54
  guys. But they were feeling the kind
• 1:19:57
  of stress and that's where it kind of comes into it, that they
• 1:20:00
  were all kind of using drugs to mask pain to also kind of using
• 1:20:08
  alcohol as well to kind of mask emotional pain.
• 1:20:11
  And people weren't seeing this kind of side of these guys.
• 1:20:14
  And again, they're all still very young, but the toll that
• 1:20:17
  this has taken on their body and their mind and again, now their
• 1:20:20
  pocket. So David found themselves in
• 1:20:23
  Japan and he was about to do a tour and.
• 1:20:27
  Yeah, before he even gets gets to have a match.
• 1:20:31
  It was his first night in Japan and he was found dead the next
• 1:20:37
  morning because of. But.
• 1:20:39
  He had been, he had like hemorrhaging and stuff, didn't
• 1:20:44
  he? He had like.
• 1:20:46
  What would happen? Internal.
• 1:20:49
  Internal bleeding is basically what happens.
• 1:20:50
  So the intral whatever, whatever the intralitus or whatever the
• 1:20:55
  focus is. Called entralitis.
• 1:20:57
  Yeah, this would be like just means that something ruptured
• 1:21:01
  inside and basically he just bled into a system.
• 1:21:06
  It flooded his organs and he just, he just died like that.
• 1:21:10
  He was working with that as well.
• 1:21:12
  Like he, he was literally sick. He was throwing up on his
• 1:21:16
  wedding night. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:18
  Like throwing up blood and stuff.
• 1:21:20
  Like he was, he was really, really ill.
• 1:21:22
  And. Because he was being worked so
• 1:21:24
  hard, he didn't have time to get checked out.
• 1:21:26
  Like, it's not like wrestling is today in the WWE, where you've
• 1:21:29
  got your doctors and your surgeons and they won't let you
• 1:21:31
  work if you've got, like, the fucking smallest thing wrong
• 1:21:33
  with you. Yeah, like it was.
• 1:21:34
  Just. You have.
• 1:21:35
  To fucking work. Because.
• 1:21:37
  I rub some dirt on it and get on with it.
• 1:21:38
  Kind of an attitude as well. Walk it off.
• 1:21:41
  And yeah, unless. They're sure what it was.
• 1:21:44
  So he was sick for a little while again, working through the
• 1:21:47
  pain. That's why he's taking so many
• 1:21:48
  painkillers. Exactly.
• 1:21:51
  Yeah. And that's probably where the
• 1:21:52
  the overdose theories come from. Yeah, So the rumor has it then
• 1:21:56
  that Bruiser Brody went into the hotel room the next day, Bruce
• 1:22:02
  O'brolly being another prominent wrestler at the time who would
• 1:22:05
  have been massive in Japan. He went in and cleared out all
• 1:22:09
  the drugs. Now, again, this is alleged,
• 1:22:11
  this is just hearsay, but the story is that Bruise O'brolly
• 1:22:15
  went in, cleared all the drugs, anything that could, you know,
• 1:22:19
  look bad for the Von Erich family or just David really.
• 1:22:24
  And then he cleared out the hotel room and the story that
• 1:22:27
  went back to America. Then it's it's funny because
• 1:22:30
  this is one of those things that Fritz and always spins, spins
• 1:22:35
  the story and that he he has a wrestling angle, like an idea, a
• 1:22:43
  kind of a storyline involved in this.
• 1:22:46
  And one of his sons is after me. It's funny because the referee
• 1:22:50
  contacted them and one of the referees at the time that would
• 1:22:55
  have been close to them contacted Fritz and he said I've
• 1:22:58
  got some, I've got some news to tell you.
• 1:23:01
  And Fritz's answer to that was which one of them was it?
• 1:23:05
  But because he knew this is now, again, hearsay, again, because
• 1:23:09
  he knew something was up. He knew one of the kids was
• 1:23:12
  after dying and just by the way this was going on.
• 1:23:14
  And that's Ty. He's kind of into the curse
• 1:23:16
  thing again, where they say he knew, he knew his sons were
• 1:23:20
  going to do this, this kind of thing.
• 1:23:22
  Yeah. So and like, yeah, that was the
• 1:23:24
  whole thing. He felt that in, I think the
• 1:23:26
  story was he like shot awake in the middle of the night and he
• 1:23:30
  heard like a gunshot or something, and there wasn't
• 1:23:33
  anything. But he, he heard that the night
• 1:23:36
  that David died. Yeah, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:37
  I heard it that way as well, Yeah.
• 1:23:39
  Yeah, go on. And so then, yeah, so David,
• 1:23:42
  like the story that he spun then was that David was he he died in
• 1:23:46
  battle. He was in a match.
• 1:23:47
  And he died the the warrior's death.
• 1:23:51
  He was fighting for his life. He was fighting for his country.
• 1:23:55
  He was in a foreign land fighting for America.
• 1:23:57
  And he didn't survive. And it's not true at all.
• 1:24:02
  He died in a hotel room before he even got a match.
• 1:24:04
  But this is one of those incidents is again where we kind
• 1:24:07
  of see Fritz's character, where he is kind of this carny
• 1:24:13
  wrestling for more. This guy, he'll do anything to
• 1:24:16
  spin the story so that he can make money off it.
• 1:24:20
  Yeah, and like, and again, that like that is disgusting.
• 1:24:23
  It's so disrespectful as well. But again, it's not like you can
• 1:24:26
  go back and like someone on Twitter can be like, well, he
• 1:24:28
  didn't actually have a match. Like like he could tell people
• 1:24:33
  back home fucking anything that he wanted to and he did.
• 1:24:35
  So the next brother then or should add as well before we go
• 1:24:38
  on. So David and Kevin were the
• 1:24:41
  closest. They were kind of like best
• 1:24:43
  friends growing up through all of it.
• 1:24:44
  They were the closest in age. And he this was the start of
• 1:24:50
  like Kevin getting really protective, well, even more so
• 1:24:54
  of the rest of the brothers, to the point where he was kind of
• 1:24:57
  seen a little bit at the time as overbearing, but he was just
• 1:25:00
  really protective and didn't want to lose.
• 1:25:03
  And it wasn't over overbearing in the sense that Fritz was.
• 1:25:06
  It was very much just like I need you in my eyesight at all
• 1:25:09
  time because I don't want anything to fucking happen to.
• 1:25:11
  You it. Was it wasn't the control thing.
• 1:25:14
  So Michael is the is an ex brother that we lose in 1987.
• 1:25:19
  So this this is where he's he's kind of mixed up with Chris.
• 1:25:24
  So they gave Mike's story, but they gave Chris's death.
• 1:25:32
  That's how they kind of blend. The two of them together.
• 1:25:36
  In the movie, yeah. So pressured into wrestling
• 1:25:41
  after David's death but lacked passion and charisma so he could
• 1:25:45
  not act to save his life. In 1985 he suffered toxic shock
• 1:25:50
  syndrome after shoulder surgery. I think he like dislocated his
• 1:25:53
  shoulder in the ring because he obviously wasn't as experienced,
• 1:25:56
  didn't know how to bump. I mean he was never the same.
• 1:25:59
  So he died in 1987. He Od'd on tranquilizers and
• 1:26:05
  left a note in the woods, and he was just 23.
• 1:26:08
  Yeah, this is a really sad one because yeah, Michael was,
• 1:26:14
  again, as we said earlier on, he didn't really want to be
• 1:26:16
  involved in wrestling. He if anything, he wanted to be
• 1:26:19
  a camera, wanted to be involved in.
• 1:26:20
  Yeah, he he wants to be part of the production team.
• 1:26:23
  He really did. Like he was kind of a little bit
• 1:26:25
  nerdier than his brothers, like he liked the the production side
• 1:26:29
  of professional wrestling. Behind the scenes and
• 1:26:31
  everything, yeah. He was kind of a little bit
• 1:26:33
  thinner than the guys and he wasn't as athletic.
• 1:26:37
  So at the time, the reason why he was kind of forced into
• 1:26:40
  wrestling to take up David's kind of space is because David,
• 1:26:46
  Kevin and Kerry, who are the tree brothers that are closest
• 1:26:49
  in age, as you were saying, the guys are, they are kind of the
• 1:26:52
  Tree best friends. But they were involved in an
• 1:26:55
  angle against another immensely popular team called the Fabulous
• 1:27:00
  Free Birds, who are also a trio. And because the feud was so
• 1:27:08
  heated, it was always tree versus tree.
• 1:27:11
  So with David dead, they kind of didn't just switch it to being
• 1:27:17
  OK, let's go 2 by two against 2. Fritz really needed that third
• 1:27:23
  person because he wanted us again.
• 1:27:25
  He's just all about selling those tickets.
• 1:27:27
  So in the name they they got Michael shoved him in there and
• 1:27:31
  he was going to fight for his brother.
• 1:27:33
  That was the the idea He was going to avenge his brother's
• 1:27:35
  death. He was going to like make his
• 1:27:37
  brother proud. This is the kind of shitty carny
• 1:27:41
  promotion that he would have done at the time to kind of make
• 1:27:44
  Michael believable as a wrestler because Michael was coming in to
• 1:27:48
  kind of take the place of his brother.
• 1:27:50
  But again, David, as we were saying, he was the the great
• 1:27:54
  hope of the family. He was the the big tall athletic
• 1:27:57
  guy. He had the promo.
• 1:27:59
  He was he was just perfect. He was kind of like the
• 1:28:02
  blueprint for a professional wrestler at the time.
• 1:28:05
  Michael was a polar opposite. He wasn't as tall as his
• 1:28:11
  brothers. He was definitely not as
• 1:28:14
  athletic as any of his brothers. If anything, he kind of looked a
• 1:28:17
  little bit out of place in wrestling.
• 1:28:19
  He looked like a boy next door, a little bit gaunt and.
• 1:28:23
  Yeah. Yeah, he didn't have, he didn't
• 1:28:26
  have the look, he didn't have the ability and he didn't have
• 1:28:28
  the charisma. And those are the three things.
• 1:28:31
  Like you could get away with two of those things in wrestling and
• 1:28:35
  you might make a passable wrestler one of those things and
• 1:28:38
  you could be a, you could still be kind of like a journeyman
• 1:28:41
  wrestler. But if you don't have any of
• 1:28:43
  those three things, no matter what backing you have, no matter
• 1:28:46
  what your family name is, no matter who you're still next to
• 1:28:48
  in the ring, it's you're just not going to be believable to
• 1:28:52
  the audience and the audience just and that's what you need.
• 1:28:55
  You need to have that kind of suspension of disbelief for the
• 1:29:00
  audience. So like, the audience has to be
• 1:29:02
  able to believe that you're able to kick somebody'd ass.
• 1:29:04
  And it didn't look like Michael was able to do that.
• 1:29:08
  It's like what's what's your ones name?
• 1:29:09
  I always forget her name and this is again slander.
• 1:29:13
  So don't don't really. Eilish no fucking Snook is snuck
• 1:29:18
  his daughter or granddaughter. Oh yeah, Tamina.
• 1:29:22
  Tamina cannot fucking. They just keep her on the
• 1:29:25
  fucking payroll, Yeah, for nothing.
• 1:29:27
  She's never around. She does fuck all.
• 1:29:29
  She's not great. And yet, because she's the name
• 1:29:33
  and obviously there's a whole thing, Vince McMahon, there's a
• 1:29:36
  murder cover, there's something there that's fucking yeah, yeah,
• 1:29:40
  that's that's shadiest. But again, we could do an
• 1:29:42
  episode on not even like that's fucking.
• 1:29:44
  We're just Dark side of the Ring now.
• 1:29:46
  But. But like, yeah, so it's even
• 1:29:52
  like that. Like, and just because of the
• 1:29:54
  name, she's not on TV rarely ever.
• 1:29:58
  I mean, she might do a Royal Rumble here and there, but she's
• 1:30:01
  she's kept on the payroll because of the name.
• 1:30:03
  Wasn't like that back then. You're just kind of like not
• 1:30:06
  fuck you, you, you can't perform.
• 1:30:08
  You're out. Like it didn't matter.
• 1:30:10
  But unfortunately. And also there's no murder
• 1:30:12
  theories. Unfortunately for Michael here,
• 1:30:16
  he he kind of was forced into this situation.
• 1:30:19
  He didn't want to be there, but he was forced into this
• 1:30:21
  situation because again, he had to fill the boots of his burner
• 1:30:24
  and those are massive boots to fill and he was just never going
• 1:30:27
  to do it. The audience never really got on
• 1:30:29
  site but Michael, but when he was touring in Israel,
• 1:30:32
  conspiracy hats back on when he was touring in Israel.
• 1:30:36
  This is the worst thing that's ever happened in Israel.
• 1:30:40
  Like. He injured his, he injured his
• 1:30:42
  shoulder and it never really healed.
• 1:30:47
  So he went in for surgery and yeah, they, they kind of had to
• 1:30:51
  do like a second surgery. And as they done the second
• 1:30:54
  surgery, he was recovering and everything kind of seemed fine
• 1:30:57
  until he took a turn and got toxic shock syndrome, which is
• 1:31:02
  very unusual for like men to get toxic shock syndrome.
• 1:31:06
  And his body went into shut down, he went into a coma and he
• 1:31:11
  was basically close to death. There was reports coming out and
• 1:31:15
  it this is again very Fritz that he was doing live reporting of
• 1:31:20
  his son in a coma to wrestling fans because into again, you
• 1:31:26
  know, he was being Carney and he was trying to get sympathy for
• 1:31:31
  his family and basically money for his family due to his son's,
• 1:31:37
  you know, whatever is happening with his son.
• 1:31:39
  So Michael goes into A to a coma and miraculously comes back out
• 1:31:45
  of it. Like when the the doctor said
• 1:31:49
  basically you're just bidding your time before you can say
• 1:31:52
  goodbye. That's what he told the family.
• 1:31:53
  He said you're going to have to kind of make peace because this
• 1:31:56
  guy is dying like, but then miraculously comes out of the
• 1:32:00
  coma again. He comes out of the coma, but
• 1:32:03
  he's not himself again. He's after losing.
• 1:32:06
  And he wasn't the biggest guy. Like again, compared with the
• 1:32:09
  brothers, he was very small. But when he came out of the
• 1:32:12
  coma, he was physically smaller. He was gone.
• 1:32:15
  He was there was no muscle mass on him whatsoever.
• 1:32:18
  And you actually even see the physical change in his face.
• 1:32:21
  You could kind of see that there was something that was after
• 1:32:25
  happened to him that kind of changed him.
• 1:32:28
  And the rumors are as well that he got he got brain damage and
• 1:32:33
  it's kind of the rumors. There is a lot of evidence for
• 1:32:36
  this as well because they say that his attitude completely
• 1:32:39
  changed and he turned into a different person.
• 1:32:42
  Oh yeah, He was horribly depressed.
• 1:32:43
  He had like anger issues. Yeah, he became very aggressive.
• 1:32:46
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Fritz saw the opportunity
• 1:32:53
  that he's seen his his son is after surviving this impossible
• 1:33:00
  coma that he was never supposed to come back out of.
• 1:33:03
  And he says we can make money out of this again.
• 1:33:06
  Fritz is going to Fritz and he starts He starts basically
• 1:33:13
  saying that his son is going to fight.
• 1:33:15
  He's he's the he's the miracle boy.
• 1:33:17
  This is why he's at our call. He's he started saying that his
• 1:33:20
  his son is a miracle and that he is going to he's going to get
• 1:33:25
  back into the ring. But again, when we say it,
• 1:33:28
  Michael wasn't the best of he wasn't the best of wrestlers,
• 1:33:33
  not the biggest. And he couldn't do a promo.
• 1:33:36
  And now he's after coming out of the coma with less body size.
• 1:33:42
  He he has no coordination his like he's his mind is actually
• 1:33:47
  altered. So all of these three attributes
• 1:33:50
  that you need for pro wrestling he didn't have in the 1st place.
• 1:33:52
  And now we actually had kind of an even worse version of that
• 1:33:55
  coming out of the coma. But Fritz was adamant to send
• 1:33:59
  them into the ring. So sent him into the ring and he
• 1:34:02
  was, as you would imagine, he was abysmal.
• 1:34:05
  Couldn't talk, couldn't wrestle. It didn't look like he even knew
• 1:34:09
  where he was sometime. West.
• 1:34:10
  Spaghetti and the audience turned like the IT wasn't even
• 1:34:14
  like they they were booing them. They were just looking at
• 1:34:17
  something that was very sad and they couldn't get on board with
• 1:34:21
  it. And eventually that affected
• 1:34:23
  Michael so much that he he was turned to, to alcohol basically
• 1:34:30
  and just started really heavily drinking.
• 1:34:33
  And one night, he was seen just beaten up like a stop traffic
• 1:34:39
  light, and the cops came and arrested them because he was
• 1:34:43
  drunk and aggressively beat the shit out of a traffic light for
• 1:34:47
  some reason. And so when he got out of jail,
• 1:34:52
  he made some plans. He told his brothers basically
• 1:34:55
  that he wasn't feeling well mentally.
• 1:34:58
  Like he said, like, you know, fucking, I don't like this.
• 1:35:02
  I don't want to be here anymore. And everybody was worried about
• 1:35:06
  him, but he kind of found himself alone.
• 1:35:12
  He went out to the woods, wrought a suicide note, and he
• 1:35:18
  overdosed and wrapped himself up in a sleeping bag.
• 1:35:21
  It was supposed to be a very peaceful scene, but I think was
• 1:35:27
  he was found by Kevin. Kevin was there.
• 1:35:33
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:35:34
  So I think. Yeah, Kevin found.
• 1:35:36
  Yeah, he's, I think he found all of them to be.
• 1:35:38
  No, I think it Fritz, Fritz found Kerry.
• 1:35:41
  We'll get on to Kerry now in a minute, but.
• 1:35:44
  No, Kevin found Kerry. Huh.
• 1:35:48
  Kevin found Kerry. In the movie he did, but not in
• 1:35:50
  real life. So yeah.
• 1:35:54
  So yeah. So Kevin, Kevin I believe found
• 1:35:59
  found Michael and supposed to be very, a very peaceful scene.
• 1:36:03
  They were all there looking for them for.
• 1:36:05
  Him, they knew what the deal was.
• 1:36:07
  He he was out in the woods and they went looking for him in the
• 1:36:09
  woods and Kevin came across the body and very sad again, Kevin
• 1:36:13
  had to deal with this. He lost his closest brother.
• 1:36:17
  Now he's after losing his little brother, who, like they all
• 1:36:20
  thought was the miracle child that he was after coming out of
• 1:36:23
  the coma and stuff. And yeah, a lot of sadness.
• 1:36:27
  So that was the story of Michael who we got next, Danny.
• 1:36:30
  So we're halfway through the the death and the misery, so we'll
• 1:36:33
  go to our next sponsor just to try and pick you back up on this
• 1:36:37
  roller coaster a little bit. Today's episode.
• 1:37:33
  I'm very impressed that you went and got some sponsors today,
• 1:37:35
  Danny. That was good.
• 1:37:37
  I know, I know. Thank Helia, I'm sponsoring the
• 1:37:39
  podcast. And they're back to to to the
• 1:37:43
  depression. So the next one we have is
• 1:37:48
  Chris. So the one that got left out of
• 1:37:52
  the. The movie.
• 1:37:55
  Did I own a movie? Yeah.
• 1:37:56
  Of the movie So Chris battles severe asthma, short stature and
• 1:38:03
  constant health issues that held him back from succeeding in the
• 1:38:05
  ring. He felt like a disappointment to
• 1:38:08
  Fritz and his brothers and just couldn't handle.
• 1:38:12
  He loved wrestling. He was less than like he
• 1:38:14
  actually really, really wanted to be there but just wasn't cut
• 1:38:18
  out for it. He died by suicide in 1991.
• 1:38:22
  He was only 21 and he shot himself in the head after years
• 1:38:28
  of depression. Yeah, so this is this is really
• 1:38:31
  sad. Obviously they're all really
• 1:38:33
  sad, but this one is really sad because Chris really wanted
• 1:38:36
  again, he was 545, he had asthma, his he had this brittle
• 1:38:41
  bone kind of thing going on as well.
• 1:38:43
  And he he wanted more than anything to be like his brothers
• 1:38:47
  to impress his fat or to impress all of his brothers to to fill
• 1:38:51
  the boots of of his brothers that passed.
• 1:38:53
  He was very close to Michael because they were the closest in
• 1:38:57
  age, the two youngest brothers. And but in the ring, again, like
• 1:39:03
  Michael, he didn't look convincing.
• 1:39:06
  He was very small in a world of professional wrestling when like
• 1:39:11
  5 for five would even be small for wrestlers now.
• 1:39:14
  But at the time, yeah, the wrestlers, the look for
• 1:39:18
  professional wrestler is you have to be plus 6 foot and an
• 1:39:23
  absolute beefcake. Now, in fairness to Chris, he
• 1:39:27
  got himself into really good shape considering that he wasn't
• 1:39:30
  all that athletically kind of gifted.
• 1:39:32
  He did get himself into some decent shape, but you know, he
• 1:39:37
  just kind of looked like muscle bound Millhouse, you know what I
• 1:39:40
  mean? He was just this short, kind of
• 1:39:43
  a guy who was just. My dad says I'm cool.
• 1:39:47
  He was just kind of he was. I wouldn't even say he was
• 1:39:49
  jacked, but he looked, he looked athletic.
• 1:39:53
  But again, he was 545 and that's not going to quote in wrestling.
• 1:39:56
  So he. That's my height.
• 1:39:58
  Like I'm I'm a shrimp. And then, you know, good, good
• 1:40:02
  height for a lady, but let's just say As for a professional
• 1:40:06
  wrestler. In the 80s, yeah.
• 1:40:08
  It's not great. He also had his issues with
• 1:40:12
  asthma, which means he couldn't really wrestle the kind of style
• 1:40:16
  that like someone who's 545 could, like a fast-paced kind of
• 1:40:22
  a kind of stick and move kind of wrestling.
• 1:40:24
  Rey Mysterio kind. Of little bits wrestling
• 1:40:27
  believable. So like, if you're wrestling as
• 1:40:29
  a fight for five guy against a bunch of guys who are 6 foot
• 1:40:31
  five, you have to be fast, you have to be nimble, you have to
• 1:40:34
  be able to. Fight squirrely.
• 1:40:35
  Yes squirrely very good, but unfortunately he had the issues
• 1:40:41
  with asthma and also his bones like apparently he broke bored
• 1:40:46
  of his arms doing like like really simple moves in the ring
• 1:40:50
  as well. So like he did, he was prone to
• 1:40:53
  injury as well. So he was kind of a little bit
• 1:40:57
  on the depressed side. And the kid was 21 years of age,
• 1:41:01
  but he was depressed because he couldn't, he couldn't live that
• 1:41:04
  dream of wrestling. That was kind of, he didn't even
• 1:41:07
  know what was forced upon them because of his father like, and
• 1:41:10
  obviously he had more kind of to impress Fritz with than anyone
• 1:41:14
  because he didn't, he wasn't a wrestler.
• 1:41:16
  He didn't look like a wrestler. So he kind of put a lot of
• 1:41:19
  pressure on himself and then Chris died.
• 1:41:22
  He took that. He took that really badly.
• 1:41:26
  And that's how unfortunately, there isn't much to that story
• 1:41:29
  except for he he couldn't live up to his father's expectations.
• 1:41:35
  He couldn't be what he wanted to be.
• 1:41:38
  And he was, after dealing with the death of two brothers, Chris
• 1:41:42
  by suicide, who he was really close with.
• 1:41:45
  And yeah, so he just took his own life.
• 1:41:48
  And it's a tragic end. But there's not much more to say
• 1:41:51
  about Chris, unfortunately. No, and then we get to to the
• 1:41:55
  next like handle of excellent. I hate this.
• 1:42:00
  So Kerry, I like, I, I love Kerry Von Erich so much.
• 1:42:06
  I like he was so beautiful and I just, I just loved him like, and
• 1:42:11
  this one really, really sucks because he kind of got the the
• 1:42:17
  furthest any of them have gotten within the wrestling world,
• 1:42:19
  which would have been at the time, WWE.
• 1:42:22
  That's where the biggest one for everybody wanting to wind up.
• 1:42:26
  He got there, as I said earlier, the modern day warrior and in
• 1:42:31
  1986, this is so sad. He lost his foot in a motorcycle
• 1:42:36
  accident and had a prosthetic. He continued to wrestle with
• 1:42:42
  this prosthetic for years. It went like kind of nobody knew
• 1:42:45
  about it. Died by suicide 1993 at 33 after
• 1:42:52
  legal trouble and personal turmoil.
• 1:42:55
  He had gotten heavily into drugs and alcohol, like heavily.
• 1:42:59
  He was in debt. He was like, I think he was
• 1:43:02
  pulled over how many times were drunk driving, like loads of
• 1:43:06
  horrible stuff and he shot himself in the head on the
• 1:43:11
  family. Ranch shot was up in the chest,
• 1:43:14
  Yeah. He was just dirty chest.
• 1:43:16
  Whatever I thought was the head, it was the head in the movie.
• 1:43:21
  No, I think it was a chest against a tree in the in the
• 1:43:25
  yard and his family. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:43:26
  That's what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:43:28
  So dead by suicide. And he was only 33.
• 1:43:31
  And that's, that's really, really sad, heartbreaking.
• 1:43:33
  He was. Kerry was like.
• 1:43:34
  The redemption act for the the rest of the guys in the movie,
• 1:43:40
  they kind of portray this story in kind of Kevin's and Kevin's
• 1:43:47
  kind of the tragedy of also him never making it to the top of
• 1:43:51
  wrestling, even though he was trying his best to do it.
• 1:43:55
  It kind of makes it out that Kerry kind of, you know, came in
• 1:43:58
  and he he's he didn't steal, but like he came along and he got
• 1:44:06
  all applauded. It's that Kevin really wanted in
• 1:44:08
  life. But Kerry?
• 1:44:10
  He had the look more than. Yeah, so Kerry, he looked good.
• 1:44:14
  He had this intensity to him as well.
• 1:44:16
  But he was a proper athlete, like as I said, all.
• 1:44:19
  American. Like discus.
• 1:44:21
  Yeah yeah. All American, he got.
• 1:44:23
  Didn't he get like disqualified? He got like or he got kicked out
• 1:44:27
  of college or something for it? There's there's something that
• 1:44:30
  happened there. He.
• 1:44:31
  I. Can't remember if that was the
• 1:44:32
  case. I thought he had a scholarship
• 1:44:34
  because of his discus. Strong but.
• 1:44:36
  Yeah, but something happened, I think where he he got booted.
• 1:44:42
  That's when he found himself back home, and that's when he
• 1:44:44
  got pulled. Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:44:46
  that's right. Ended up being really good at
• 1:44:48
  it. Yeah, He thought he was going to
• 1:44:50
  get away from wrestling because, you know, he was going to be
• 1:44:53
  like a track star. That's right.
• 1:44:56
  Yeah, he kind of, he got a, he found himself back.
• 1:45:00
  He taught, he escaped Fritz's kind of iron claw, and then he
• 1:45:04
  came back. I keep saying the iron claw.
• 1:45:06
  You know what, to finish the boy, it actually is all that
• 1:45:09
  Fritz has had over the family. And I think that is kind of the
• 1:45:13
  metaphorical claw kind of does it is the grip that he had on
• 1:45:18
  them. And Kerry kind of felt it at
• 1:45:20
  this stage. He was after dealing with the
• 1:45:22
  death of three of his brothers that, you know, he would have
• 1:45:27
  been close with. And then obviously the
• 1:45:29
  overarching like Jackie dying young before the guys even kind
• 1:45:33
  of knew him. So like he knew that there was
• 1:45:35
  there was kind of a curse on the family.
• 1:45:37
  The family are all kind of aware of this, obviously, like there's
• 1:45:40
  brother. Dying and at.
• 1:45:42
  This point anyway, yeah. They're aware of their own
• 1:45:44
  tragic terms. But Kerry, Yeah.
• 1:45:48
  So he, when he ended up coming back to Texas to wrestle, he
• 1:45:54
  thought he had escaped. So he kind of fell into alcohol
• 1:45:59
  pretty hard. And as you say, he was getting
• 1:46:01
  in trouble with the law because he just would not stop drink
• 1:46:04
  driving. He was well known by the cops
• 1:46:06
  and, you know, did follow him as he was on his bike.
• 1:46:10
  And he actually slammed into a police cruiser, which caused the
• 1:46:14
  accident that damaged his hip straight away.
• 1:46:17
  He's he didn't get his leg amputated straight away.
• 1:46:20
  But what had happened was there was so much damage in his hip
• 1:46:24
  and he continued to wrestle as he was in this kind of pain that
• 1:46:29
  what he'd done was he'd done enough damage to his leg without
• 1:46:32
  getting it repaired. That by the time he got to the
• 1:46:35
  doctors and the time he got to the hospital, they said there's
• 1:46:38
  like you've, you've done irreparable damage.
• 1:46:40
  If he came to us at the start, we might have been able to save
• 1:46:42
  this leg, but we're going to have to take, we're going to
• 1:46:45
  have to take a portion of your leg.
• 1:46:47
  And it's, it's funny because even when I was a kid watching
• 1:46:51
  wrestling, it was kind of still just a rumor where you'd go.
• 1:46:55
  I heard he has a prosthetic foot, like he has a fake foot.
• 1:46:58
  And but that's when I came out. He kept it a secret to not only
• 1:47:02
  the audience, but to wrestlers that he wrestled, which is
• 1:47:05
  amazing to to think about if you see someone with that prosthetic
• 1:47:10
  leg that the kind of the challenges that they have in
• 1:47:12
  life, like just to be mobile is is crazy.
• 1:47:16
  But he kept it a secret in a business where you have to move
• 1:47:22
  in all kinds of dynamic and weird ways, like to like
• 1:47:26
  wrestling is a very, very physical thing to do.
• 1:47:30
  And he was able to hide this. But not only was he hiding the
• 1:47:34
  fact that he had a fake leg, he was also hiding the fact that he
• 1:47:38
  was in pain because of it. So he was taking painkillers out
• 1:47:42
  of wazoo and he already had alcohol problems.
• 1:47:47
  And Kevin is actually quote as the saying as well that Kerry
• 1:47:54
  wasn't just like addicted to a drug, like he wasn't into heroin
• 1:47:59
  or cocaine or whatever. He was just, he liked drugs, so
• 1:48:03
  if anyone gave him anything he'd just take it.
• 1:48:05
  He wasn't addicted to it, he just loved taking drugs.
• 1:48:09
  He was addicted to painkillers. He probably had alcohol issues,
• 1:48:12
  but when it came to drugs it was just like, I want to escape
• 1:48:16
  reality and he was just taking whatever he could so.
• 1:48:21
  Like Speaking of alcohol issues, I'm going to take Dionysus
• 1:48:26
  offering wine because I've run it and I'll replace it tomorrow.
• 1:48:29
  That's hilarious. Hopefully, hopefully the old
• 1:48:32
  lean Dionysus. I will, I'll replace it
• 1:48:38
  tomorrow. I ordered wine right from my
• 1:48:41
  grocery shop. Dinner time.
• 1:48:44
  Sorry, my cat's feeder went off. I ordered it and then they
• 1:48:47
  didn't send it and I was like, you couldn't the only reason I
• 1:48:51
  did the order. But yeah, go on.
• 1:48:54
  Kerry was having, he was having issues with depression, he was
• 1:48:58
  having issues with pain and this all kind of trickled into his
• 1:49:03
  family life. So Kerry actually had a
• 1:49:07
  daughter. He got married and had a young
• 1:49:10
  daughter. The marriage broke down and this
• 1:49:15
  just kind of sent him further down the kind of depressive
• 1:49:21
  route with these coping with alcohol, drugs and painkillers.
• 1:49:26
  And eventually like it, I suppose we could probably get
• 1:49:30
  into like, like he became the Golden Boy of the family.
• 1:49:34
  He took the the reins when David was gone and he was build to be
• 1:49:44
  like the next AUSWARNWA champion.
• 1:49:49
  It was that flares title at the time.
• 1:49:52
  So it was a world championship and he he fucking you know, he
• 1:49:57
  did it as well and it was fucking amazing like that.
• 1:49:59
  The audience went crazy. He was he was top of the world
• 1:50:02
  and then that's when he got into this.
• 1:50:04
  He got into this accident and it all came spiral alone.
• 1:50:07
  So like, he went from like top of the world to kind of
• 1:50:10
  spiraling worse and worse and worse.
• 1:50:13
  And he did kind of, he made it to the top with like the WWF at
• 1:50:18
  the time, the World Wrestling Federation, which as Danny said,
• 1:50:22
  is the top. It's the upper echelons of
• 1:50:24
  professional wrestling. It's where you want to be as a
• 1:50:27
  wrestler. It's what you do while you do to
• 1:50:29
  get the big payday to get the most eyes on you.
• 1:50:32
  And he got there, Kerry got there and he got to the the the
• 1:50:37
  top of the mountain and he got to be champion there.
• 1:50:40
  He was intercontinental champion.
• 1:50:41
  They changed his name to the Texas Tornado.
• 1:50:46
  And he was very popular for a time.
• 1:50:48
  And then kind of, you know, with the issues that he was having
• 1:50:51
  outside of wrestling kind of trickled interesting.
• 1:50:54
  And he kind of fell into obscurity in the, the, the, the
• 1:50:57
  WWF and the he didn't quite make it and he was getting left off
• 1:51:04
  more and more cards. And yeah, that kind of made him
• 1:51:08
  fall into depression. Fritz used to contact Vince
• 1:51:11
  McMahon a lot and he was taking them to.
• 1:51:14
  Well, I was going to ask, wasn't there like a so obviously
• 1:51:18
  negotiating his contract with the Fed anyway?
• 1:51:21
  Wasn't there like a Fritz was completely in charge of all
• 1:51:24
  that? Kerry didn't really get a say in
• 1:51:27
  in any any of the terms in that contract.
• 1:51:29
  Not at all. So like, yeah, so Fritz, Fritz
• 1:51:32
  took over as the agent there and like took like a lot of them.
• 1:51:36
  Again, he wanted to control Kerry.
• 1:51:37
  So he would have taken a lot of the the money from from those
• 1:51:41
  contracts as well. So.
• 1:51:44
  Yeah. And he was the one that was like
• 1:51:46
  he would be dealing with the owner as well, Vince McMahon.
• 1:51:49
  And he eventually Fritz had to admit that his son had a problem
• 1:51:54
  and that he wanted Vince to put him into rehab, all this kind of
• 1:52:00
  stuff. And at the time, Vince, like
• 1:52:02
  that was that was that was your problem.
• 1:52:04
  You know what I mean? I'm going to give you wrestling
• 1:52:06
  matches 334 days of the year or more, 250 days of the year.
• 1:52:11
  If you don't, if you can't hang with it, if you can't keep up
• 1:52:14
  with it, that's that's kind of your problem.
• 1:52:15
  And that's where Kerry couldn't deal with it.
• 1:52:20
  And this was this was the big story because he was the most
• 1:52:25
  famous out of all of on Eric's. He met it to the top of the
• 1:52:27
  mountain and he just couldn't handle it.
• 1:52:29
  So like, this is the the story that I would remember when I was
• 1:52:32
  a wrestling fan as a kid. And when you look into the
• 1:52:36
  tragedy of Kerry, what, Eric, then you kind of fall into the
• 1:52:38
  rabbit hole of the the rest of the brothers.
• 1:52:40
  But yeah, Kerry went back to the the ranch and sat out underneath
• 1:52:48
  his favorite tree and shot himself in the chest and was
• 1:52:51
  found by his father, Fritz. And yeah.
• 1:52:56
  And that's kind of the the story of the, the brothers.
• 1:52:59
  That was the last of the brothers.
• 1:53:00
  Kevin survived all of his brothers.
• 1:53:03
  And it's kind of, it's a really sad, it's a, it's a really sad
• 1:53:09
  kind of story from Kevin's point of view, if you look at it,
• 1:53:13
  because in the end, it was kind of just left with him and his
• 1:53:17
  father Fritz. And there's so much resentment
• 1:53:21
  there. But also he was under the kind
• 1:53:26
  of control of his father for so long that he had a relationship
• 1:53:30
  of kind of he didn't know what to do without Fritz kind of.
• 1:53:35
  But with all of the the brothers after dying and Fritz using
• 1:53:41
  their debts as well. Like as each one day he kind of
• 1:53:44
  used those debts to sell tickets for so that the rest of the
• 1:53:47
  guys, you know, he was really just a kind of sleazy, canny
• 1:53:52
  kind of the dude like it. In Reddit terms he was karma
• 1:53:56
  farming basically. Karma farming.
• 1:53:58
  I'm not familiar with the term, but I can kind of get it from
• 1:54:02
  context. Yeah, yeah, just yeah.
• 1:54:06
  But yeah, it's. A fucking horrible piece of
• 1:54:08
  work. So eventually, eventually Doris,
• 1:54:14
  who seemingly like she seems like a sweetheart in this whole
• 1:54:17
  thing, she divorces Fritz, probably way longer.
• 1:54:23
  She lasted way longer than she should have.
• 1:54:27
  She tried to get him to quit the business a lot as well.
• 1:54:31
  Even in the early days she was just like, this is exhausting.
• 1:54:34
  All the way through which she was trying to get him to quit or
• 1:54:37
  to to like, you know, leave off the boys, that kind of that kind
• 1:54:42
  of thing. But Fritz, again, Fritz was
• 1:54:44
  going to Fritz and he was just, you know, a carny who was kind
• 1:54:49
  of ego driven and money driven and kind of just a bad bass
• 1:54:55
  really to like he he always talks about like, oh, if there
• 1:55:00
  was anything I could do again in my life, it will be raised all
• 1:55:04
  sons again because that was the best time of my life.
• 1:55:06
  And it's kind of like, yeah, well, maybe if you did get a
• 1:55:08
  second chance that you'd not be a fucking dickhead and you'd
• 1:55:11
  like let the sons live the fucking lives that they wanted
• 1:55:14
  to live. But really, he kind of he he
• 1:55:16
  forced all of this sadness and depression into these boys and
• 1:55:21
  by being such a kind of a stern and tyrant.
• 1:55:26
  Yeah. Like basically a tyrant.
• 1:55:28
  Very good. Yeah.
• 1:55:29
  Yeah. That's that's the best way you
• 1:55:31
  could probably put it. And.
• 1:55:33
  Not not a nice a nice guy like A and I and the whole, I don't
• 1:55:38
  know, like all of their lives, they're very short lives were
• 1:55:42
  just just controlled to down to the fucking millimetre.
• 1:55:48
  Like they were just literally told what to do the entire time.
• 1:55:52
  It's like basically, if you look at you can compare it to modern
• 1:55:54
  terms like K pop bands, right? And like a lot of them have to
• 1:56:00
  serve in the military. The men have to serve in the
• 1:56:02
  military. So BTS are broken up.
• 1:56:03
  But. They're all back now, hey?
• 1:56:06
  But like they are just completely like what?
• 1:56:11
  You don't know. That.
• 1:56:12
  About BTS. Yeah, I don't have to.
• 1:56:16
  Do. I know what it.
• 1:56:18
  Is they are so regimented, they are literally like, I mean you
• 1:56:26
  would have they're worked into the ground.
• 1:56:29
  You would have them like fainting on stage and stuff
• 1:56:32
  because like they're not eating enough, they're not drinking
• 1:56:34
  enough, they're just exhausted. And it's all just it's that like
• 1:56:38
  strict and it's even the same like so BTS had well, I did
• 1:56:42
  break up on hiatus for a while because they were serving their
• 1:56:46
  time in the Army to do I think as a Korean, you have to do like
• 1:56:49
  at least a year in the Army. It's mandatory and then you can
• 1:56:53
  come back out. So they're back together now,
• 1:56:55
  but it's it's a notorious thing of K Pop that they just
• 1:56:59
  literally run their bands into the ground and a lot.
• 1:57:03
  Of times you can be in a band. And have a solo career as well.
• 1:57:06
  So you're promoting both and you're just, there's no rest.
• 1:57:10
  There's nothing. And it's, it reminds me a lot of
• 1:57:14
  that. It's just like, no, you will
• 1:57:17
  like Ben Sutter and Happy Gilmore.
• 1:57:19
  Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:57:21
  Tell him to drink. You can trouble me for a warm.
• 1:57:25
  Glass of shut the fuck up. Happy Gilmore too.
• 1:57:31
  He was he. He replaced his role.
• 1:57:35
  And he was so funny and having one more 2.
• 1:57:37
  I watched it the other night. It's so funny.
• 1:57:39
  Yes, I loved it. I like, I like.
• 1:57:41
  I literally I was texting my brother about it and I was like,
• 1:57:43
  you have to watch it. He's like, oh, is it good?
• 1:57:45
  I was like, no. It's crazy.
• 1:57:52
  And he was just like, all past, like, I've heard it's terrible.
• 1:57:54
  I'm like, yeah. But it's one of those movies
• 1:57:56
  like it's you have to watch. It's Happy Gilmore.
• 1:57:59
  Yeah. I really enjoyed it.
• 1:58:00
  It was it. Was I loved it.
• 1:58:03
  It was just kind of like. I loved.
• 1:58:05
  It was Sandler saying like, fucking wasn't Happy Gilmore
• 1:58:09
  red. What?
• 1:58:10
  Like, have a look at my kids. Yeah.
• 1:58:12
  I'm just a happy man who's doing things I want to do in Outback.
• 1:58:15
  That's kind of just. Seeing and you've got it, it
• 1:58:19
  does tie in with this episode because you've got MJF.
• 1:58:21
  Isn't it Becky Lynch? Yeah.
• 1:58:24
  I haven't watched wrestling in a while, but there's a it's all,
• 1:58:26
  there's like 70 fucking 8 cameos and it's just just for the
• 1:58:31
  cameos alone and a silly story, like it's the first one was a
• 1:58:35
  silly story. It's it is just really
• 1:58:37
  enjoyable. It's really good.
• 1:58:39
  But I'm technically watched. I'm technically A tag team
• 1:58:41
  partner of two wrestlers from Happy Gilmore to Amazing.
• 1:58:47
  Love that for you. Me and MJF tagged together and
• 1:58:53
  me and Becky used to tag back in today as well.
• 1:58:55
  We. Can name drop in there now?
• 1:58:57
  Yeah, I don't want to make a big deal, but I guess I am.
• 1:59:00
  I'm technically you can. You can play 6° of Kevin Bacon
• 1:59:05
  with me. Oh, your grandfather time
• 1:59:08
  you're. Like you've always.
• 1:59:10
  Been I'm. Technically, I'm technically a
• 1:59:12
  film star. I've been in, I've been in like
• 1:59:15
  3. I'm an extra in three movies.
• 1:59:18
  So you can you can literally name name.
• 1:59:22
  Let's do it. Let's do 6° of Kevin Bacon with
• 1:59:26
  justy name name Aniak. OK, and we'll see how I get
• 1:59:29
  there. I.
• 1:59:30
  Don't want to make it an obvious one.
• 1:59:32
  Tom Hardy. This might be easier than Tom
• 1:59:36
  Hardy. Could be easy.
• 1:59:37
  Not that one, then not that one. We'll take that one out, OK?
• 1:59:42
  Because I want to make it hard. I have no trouble doing that,
• 1:59:46
  but hey. Like literally when I get asked
• 1:59:54
  this question I'm like, I've never heard of a single actor in
• 1:59:57
  my life. Skeet Ulrich from Scream.
• 2:00:02
  Who? Yeah, exactly.
• 2:00:04
  Skeet Ulrich. He's Stu from Scream.
• 2:00:07
  No, Billy. Billy from Scream.
• 2:00:09
  I'm just thinking. I'm going to.
• 2:00:10
  Have to make blame power for this to get there.
• 2:00:15
  Also, one of my friends had said one of their favorite parts with
• 2:00:18
  the podcast is my dirty laugh, which is funny because I cackle.
• 2:00:23
  I don't like laugh. I'm like.
• 2:00:27
  I don't know. All right.
• 2:00:29
  We go with an easier one. No, no, like I can do this, but
• 2:00:32
  I just have to remember who I was, who I was in what's, what's
• 2:00:37
  that Irish actor's name again? Killian Murphy, Colin Farrell,
• 2:00:42
  Barry Cohen. While I was in a.
• 2:00:43
  Movie with. Jeez, we have like 4 of them.
• 2:00:46
  Paul Meskel. Not Meskel, the other one.
• 2:00:49
  The fucking rat face one that Sabrina Carpenter.
• 2:00:52
  Barry Cohen. Barry Cohen.
• 2:00:55
  You. Said that.
• 2:00:57
  I hate him. It's a little.
• 2:00:58
  Rat faced one all. Right, Barry.
• 2:01:01
  I want to, what's his name? Fritz von Erich Skeet.
• 2:01:06
  Skeet, Ulrich. Well, there he is.
• 2:01:09
  And then we just. Go.
• 2:01:11
  Boom. All right, so I was in Bring
• 2:01:14
  Them Down with Barry Kohen. Barry Kohen was in The Batman
• 2:01:17
  with Jeffrey Wright. Jeffrey Wright was in Ride the
• 2:01:19
  Devil with Skeet Ulrich. So that is I'm 3° of set of
• 2:01:24
  Kevin Bacon away from Skeet Ulrich.
• 2:01:26
  I love that. That's awesome.
• 2:01:29
  On on that note, I have some questions from.
• 2:01:33
  The. Audience, OH.
• 2:01:34
  Let's just tie up the Von Erich thing because it's very sad of.
• 2:01:37
  Me. They're all dead except for one.
• 2:01:39
  Yeah, Fritz did. Fritz did die of cancer in at
• 2:01:45
  the age of 68 and kind of everybody had left him alone at
• 2:01:50
  that stage and he kind of died a sad death, but probably not sad
• 2:01:55
  enough. Kevin went to live in Hawaii,
• 2:02:00
  where he brought his mother, Doris, out to live with him.
• 2:02:03
  And he lives there with his kids and all his grandkids.
• 2:02:07
  And it's a very wholesome sight. And Kerry's daughter is?
• 2:02:12
  Home. A professional wrestler, She's
• 2:02:15
  Lacey Von Eric. She had kind of a short stint in
• 2:02:18
  TNA and Kevin's sons, I believe, had some matches for AW, but
• 2:02:28
  they wrestle for MLW and they're apparently doing really well in
• 2:02:32
  MLW. But yeah, every now and again
• 2:02:36
  Kevin does make an appearance. He obviously doesn't wrestle.
• 2:02:38
  He's he's very old now, but he is.
• 2:02:43
  He did like some signing actually last week.
• 2:02:46
  Oh really? Yeah, I think Janella posted a
• 2:02:52
  picture with him. He got to meet him.
• 2:02:54
  He. He just seems like a very nice
• 2:02:57
  kind of has been plagued with tragedy in his life, but kind of
• 2:03:02
  has become like a bit more Zen about what he's very self
• 2:03:06
  reflective and he's just seems like a very wholesome character.
• 2:03:09
  Very nice, very nice guy. And he's done a podcast with
• 2:03:12
  Theo Von actually, and that was. Oh, I haven't heard that.
• 2:03:17
  Yeah. No, it's actually.
• 2:03:17
  Pretty good. Like it's probably an hour and
• 2:03:19
  50 minutes of tea or saying things like man, my, my cousin,
• 2:03:23
  he, he had a squirrel and then the squirrel.
• 2:03:26
  I don't know what became of those bones, but he didn't make
• 2:03:29
  a he didn't make AT shirt at him.
• 2:03:31
  And but then but yeah, no, it's, it's, it's good.
• 2:03:36
  Hold some kind of a story. So everybody, we're sorry that
• 2:03:40
  that was very depressive, but we'll give you a little bit of
• 2:03:43
  extra here now with some with some questions.
• 2:03:47
  Did you see as well, though, just just side note that they're
• 2:03:49
  trying to basically bury another wrestling term.
• 2:03:53
  Sorry, they're trying to bury Theo Von because he's spoken out
• 2:03:57
  and been like, hey, I just learned about Palestine and
• 2:03:59
  that's not OK. Everyone just like, no, you are
• 2:04:02
  a Republican Golden Boy. And he's just like, Nah, I'm not
• 2:04:06
  supporting anything that's going on here.
• 2:04:08
  And he's speaking out about it actively on his podcast now.
• 2:04:11
  Yeah. He in fairness, though, he has
• 2:04:14
  he, he has kind of he wanted to listen to from both outside.
• 2:04:17
  So he's had a Zionist and rabbi on and he has also has like a
• 2:04:23
  Palestinian journalist on as well.
• 2:04:26
  Like, so like, you know, he, he, he is doing this kind of thing
• 2:04:30
  was like, I want to learn. But again, it is also Theo Von
• 2:04:34
  Who. Yeah.
• 2:04:36
  Yeah, but that's the. Thing And I think like yes he
• 2:04:39
  did he had a Zionist on and stuff, but you can tell this man
• 2:04:42
  is uneducated as fuck yeah and it's like I do I do I agree with
• 2:04:48
  giving a platform to a Zionist? No, but also for him to do it
• 2:04:54
  now he's like, no, I'm definitely like.
• 2:04:57
  Yeah, he calls out. He calls it out and he says it
• 2:04:59
  as it is. He says it's a genocide.
• 2:05:01
  And yeah. Yeah, and you got to look at the
• 2:05:04
  likes of like, fucking I'm in a timeline now, or I agree with
• 2:05:07
  almost everything that fucking Piers Morgan says.
• 2:05:10
  I agree with like almost everything that Candace Owens
• 2:05:14
  says. And I'm just like, what's
• 2:05:15
  fucking this is like what's going on?
• 2:05:17
  It's like these people are like inherently their beliefs are,
• 2:05:20
  are bullshit, but like even they're just like, come on.
• 2:05:25
  Yeah, even they're figuring out, you know what I mean?
• 2:05:27
  Like, here's Pierce Morgan. He brought my, he brought
• 2:05:31
  everybody's sack. But I hate him.
• 2:05:33
  He. I hate him, yeah.
• 2:05:35
  Well, he's kind of coming around as well.
• 2:05:38
  When he's interviewed Zionists. He's.
• 2:05:41
  Brutal and he's relentless and like his whole thing is just
• 2:05:45
  yes, but they're killing babies, yes, but they're killing babies
• 2:05:48
  and they're trying to be like, well, they Hamas did and yes,
• 2:05:51
  but they're killing babies. He's just.
• 2:05:53
  Equally. He's equally as combative with
• 2:05:56
  Palestinians. Yeah, he does bring up yeah,
• 2:05:59
  October the 7th. Fucking.
• 2:06:01
  We're not going to get in into the the Palestine of it all.
• 2:06:05
  Canada's owns is getting sued by Macron now.
• 2:06:08
  Why? Well, you don't know.
• 2:06:09
  This whole Canada's owns is pushing for the fact that
• 2:06:15
  Mccrone married his own uncle. Oh yes, I did actually see that.
• 2:06:20
  Yeah, I thought that was like, I thought it was fake news.
• 2:06:24
  No, it's a big, it's a big deal that she is pushing that, that
• 2:06:28
  she is pushing that. Like Mccrone's wife was born a
• 2:06:31
  man and it wasn't just a man was his own uncle.
• 2:06:34
  And they're keeping it in the family because that's the way
• 2:06:37
  they keep power. It's such a it's a fucked up
• 2:06:40
  story, but. I kind of love that though.
• 2:06:45
  If I had that much. Reach I would just be making up
• 2:06:47
  stories with people all the time.
• 2:06:49
  I would, I would. Just literally, like I was like,
• 2:06:52
  yeah, well, you know, and I've seen it.
• 2:06:54
  I've seen it for myself, yeah. Well, your wife's your uncle, so
• 2:06:57
  fuck you. Your wife's your uncle.
• 2:06:58
  Sounds like a very Northern Irish insult.
• 2:07:02
  Your mom's your dad, right? Questions so.
• 2:07:09
  Dusty. Well this is for both of us, but
• 2:07:11
  if you were a ghost, what super petty reason would you haunt
• 2:07:16
  someone for? Oh, that's sad.
• 2:07:22
  So like basically they skipped my playlist at a party or they
• 2:07:26
  used to slam the door when we lived.
• 2:07:28
  Together, tiny shitty thing. No no, no.
• 2:07:32
  You left me for another man kind of stuff.
• 2:07:35
  I don't know like what? What?
• 2:07:37
  Because I, I, I hold a grudge very.
• 2:07:40
  It's very hard to get over. You're a good actor.
• 2:07:43
  You're like a crow. Yes, basically.
• 2:07:46
  You pass grudges down for generations.
• 2:07:48
  Yeah, and the crow of a human. Teaching your kids to hate the
• 2:07:51
  same. Reckon that's a very ADHD trait
• 2:07:53
  is that like when you're scorned by something, you find it very
• 2:07:56
  hard to like all these things because of the cyclical thoughts
• 2:07:59
  in your head. Like so you just, you know, when
• 2:08:01
  you start thinking about like so.
• 2:08:04
  I'll just say like a doormat a little bit because once I get an
• 2:08:08
  apology, I my brain is able to just wipe it clean.
• 2:08:11
  I'm just gonna yeah, cool, fine. I may not trust you the same way
• 2:08:15
  or like show the same way with you but.
• 2:08:18
  Oh no, I don't. I don't believe in gorgeous.
• 2:08:20
  I don't think like, I think life is too short.
• 2:08:23
  Oh, I wish I didn't believe in them but like I can't, I can't
• 2:08:26
  help myself. There's like I have a list of of
• 2:08:30
  of people, but like none of them are petty things.
• 2:08:33
  They're. They're big things.
• 2:08:34
  Oh yeah? Well.
• 2:08:36
  This is tiny, sorry I'll just tell you mine.
• 2:08:39
  So I had a date with this guy a few months ago last year and
• 2:08:48
  really hot guy, hot Asian dude. I have a thing for Canadians and
• 2:08:51
  Asian dudes. But he we had like a little date
• 2:08:56
  came back to mine and we were well, he made me watch arm
• 2:08:59
  wrestling championships on my TV, which was.
• 2:09:01
  He sounds like a cool guy. And he was funny, he was nice,
• 2:09:04
  right? So we were like sat there and
• 2:09:05
  then he spent the night, whatever it was really nice
• 2:09:08
  night got the next day. Well, I wake up early, right?
• 2:09:11
  And this is another weird thing and this is this has happened to
• 2:09:13
  me like 3 times in this apartment.
• 2:09:16
  And it's I think it's because my bed is so comfy but I got up at
• 2:09:20
  like 8 and he slept in my bed. I had the TV on I was like
• 2:09:24
  walking around doing things. He slept in my bed till one PMI
• 2:09:29
  was like literally banging the Hoover.
• 2:09:31
  I was texting the girls. I was like, get this man out of
• 2:09:34
  my fucking house. Like right?
• 2:09:36
  But anyway. That was really annoying.
• 2:09:38
  So he does get up and he's like, oh, your bed so comfy.
• 2:09:41
  And I'm like, OK, whatever, I'm sat down with coffee.
• 2:09:44
  And I was like, do you want coffee?
• 2:09:45
  And he's like, get coffee. We're sat there in coffee.
• 2:09:48
  My cat, he's like a dog. He's more a dog than cat, right?
• 2:09:51
  He loves to play fetch and like with anything, ball up a piece
• 2:09:55
  of paper, he'll play with that for hours, like a cork from
• 2:09:57
  anything. And he had this little ball at
• 2:10:00
  the time that one of my neighbors had given him.
• 2:10:03
  And so he's normally a bit weird with strangers at first, like it
• 2:10:07
  takes him a little while. So he ran off to this guy,
• 2:10:11
  dropped his little ball at his feet is which what he does when
• 2:10:13
  he wants to play fetch. He ignored him.
• 2:10:16
  He completely ignored him. And I was like, he wants you to
• 2:10:19
  throw his ball and he's like, he's fine.
• 2:10:21
  I was like, I would I would haunt the fuck out of that guy
• 2:10:25
  because that's so rude in my opinion.
• 2:10:28
  I never I didn't text him back. Never had another day.
• 2:10:31
  No, he messaged me to be like. Yeah, that's an immediate.
• 2:10:35
  Like just like. Expulsion.
• 2:10:37
  No. No way.
• 2:10:38
  I was like, no, I might my cat like once like it only takes him
• 2:10:42
  like a couple of hours, like he will warm up to you.
• 2:10:45
  And like obviously he'd spent the night.
• 2:10:47
  My cat usually sleeps in my bed with me.
• 2:10:49
  So he didn't he was like outside and on like on his own bed.
• 2:10:52
  And then then he was still just like, oh, he's still here and
• 2:10:55
  like my mom likes him. So let's, you know, we'll play
• 2:10:57
  fetch And he just ignores him. And he was sat there looking up
• 2:11:00
  at him like my ball. And yeah, he was.
• 2:11:04
  He just ignored him completely. Was just flicking through my my
• 2:11:07
  TV. I would also go down the route
• 2:11:09
  of someone who was unkind to oh, that's that's, that's who I
• 2:11:17
  isn't that. Infuriating.
• 2:11:19
  Someone came to my house. You don't him.
• 2:11:22
  Someone came to my house once and and my dog took an instant
• 2:11:28
  disliking to them and Dolly, who is a sweetheart, she's down here
• 2:11:32
  sprawled in the ground here she is a cockapoo.
• 2:11:36
  She is the fucking light of my life.
• 2:11:39
  She's the apple of my eye. I love her fucking pieces.
• 2:11:42
  This guy came into my house and my dog automatically sat a
• 2:11:45
  growler, which for me I'm like OK, you're a bad person, you've
• 2:11:49
  got a bad soul, you're not cool. My dog knows.
• 2:11:51
  People they know. She's she's a little sweetheart
• 2:11:54
  if if she's growling at you, you've got some fucking issues.
• 2:11:58
  And he big, big Spanish guy. He was like, your dog has a
• 2:12:03
  problem. And I was like, yeah, just
• 2:12:07
  you'll be OK. And he goes, just keep her away
• 2:12:09
  from me, you know, he's just keep her away from me.
• 2:12:11
  And then I was like. You live.
• 2:12:13
  Here, motherfucker. Yeah, so for me, for me, that's
• 2:12:17
  who I guess that's I Yeah, yeah. That's why I don't even think
• 2:12:22
  that's a petty reason. That's actually a big reason for
• 2:12:24
  me. You've got to be nice to animals
• 2:12:26
  or else fuck off. And it's like, and it's
• 2:12:28
  something so tiny, like, I mean, I know she was like barking and
• 2:12:31
  stuff, but a little guy wants to come up and play with you and
• 2:12:35
  he's gonna be a kitten at this point as well.
• 2:12:36
  So it's just like, and you've seen my cat.
• 2:12:38
  He's gorgeous. Yeah.
• 2:12:40
  He is the cutest little squish faced man.
• 2:12:43
  And to be. Like looks like a drop dead Fred
• 2:12:46
  when he gets his face smushed in the freezer.
• 2:12:51
  Yeah, we paid £1000 to get a cab that looks like that.
• 2:12:55
  Yeah, but no, that is a good answer.
• 2:12:56
  So next question. Oh I have another one as well
• 2:13:00
  when the other day and work I I I drove to the shop at my break
• 2:13:08
  time and when I came back someone had parked in my nice
• 2:13:11
  parking space. I would I'd like to see that
• 2:13:14
  cunt with with needles in his eyes.
• 2:13:16
  I don't know who it is. Well, I'd like to watch him
• 2:13:19
  shite a hedgehog. I actually.
• 2:13:21
  Would. I think if his bones melted out
• 2:13:24
  of his body I would be happy. I don't know who you are parking
• 2:13:29
  car park thief parking space bass, but I will fucking if if
• 2:13:35
  it comes. Space Bass if I.
• 2:13:38
  Do if I die in the morning, you're who I'm coming for.
• 2:13:43
  I am coming for you Honda Civic 2000 and fucking 22 Honda Civic.
• 2:13:50
  I'm going to get you. That might answer your question.
• 2:13:55
  Take a picture. We can we can read the license
• 2:13:57
  plate out on on on there. Which Cryptid do you think would
• 2:14:04
  be the worst roommate and why? I would say Mothman because he
• 2:14:09
  keeps running into the lights. I would be like, he's like
• 2:14:13
  fucking three in the morning throwing himself.
• 2:14:15
  I don't think he's an actual moth though, because then I
• 2:14:23
  wouldn't we in the bathroom again.
• 2:14:26
  She left the light on. Keep telling you to turn the
• 2:14:32
  fucking. Lights off.
• 2:14:33
  It's like Blackpool. Illuminations in here.
• 2:14:35
  I am, yeah. I don't think Mothman is an
• 2:14:38
  actual moth. I just think that's what they
• 2:14:40
  call him because of his wings and he comes out with night.
• 2:14:43
  But I think he would be a real bummer.
• 2:14:45
  He'd be a real downer. That's.
• 2:14:46
  A box. That's a box too.
• 2:14:47
  Yeah, but he could also be called Batman, but I think that
• 2:14:50
  was taken. I think he'd just be a downer
• 2:14:52
  because every time you saw him, you know, fuck something,
• 2:14:54
  something bad is happening. You know, like he only shows up
• 2:14:56
  before tragedies. Like, imagine seeing him every
• 2:14:58
  day. You're likely to be like, you're
• 2:15:00
  likely to be like on Eric's. In that case then I would say I
• 2:15:04
  don't want to say Bigfoot because he looks like the
• 2:15:06
  housemate that you could get drunk and fuck now and again.
• 2:15:10
  I imagine a big Bigfoot would be very cuddly.
• 2:15:13
  I don't want to fuck him, but I would be like, if I was sad, I'd
• 2:15:17
  be like, could you, could you just hold me and say I'm proud
• 2:15:20
  of your son? I don't think he could fuck.
• 2:15:23
  I think I could fuck him. Like I could just sit on it and
• 2:15:26
  write it. Yeah.
• 2:15:28
  So that that would be enough for me.
• 2:15:29
  That's why I don't mind doing all the work.
• 2:15:33
  Loch Ness Monster will probably be logistically.
• 2:15:35
  Working it. Logistically.
• 2:15:37
  Locked up. Yeah.
• 2:15:40
  Yeah, but that would just be a Greenland shark.
• 2:15:42
  Oh yeah, that would. Just.
• 2:15:43
  Float around there bumping into things.
• 2:15:47
  I forgot we solved that. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:15:49
  We did. I'm gonna say a skinwalker
• 2:15:56
  because they can change themselves into things, but not
• 2:16:00
  quite. So it would just be like you
• 2:16:04
  would. I don't know.
• 2:16:06
  Yeah, I don't know. You'd never know if it was
• 2:16:08
  actually like. Well, this is the cat.
• 2:16:10
  The worst. Yeah.
• 2:16:11
  So it's like, who would be the worst roommate?
• 2:16:13
  The. Worst.
• 2:16:14
  Yeah, I think it's. I don't.
• 2:16:17
  Know. Maybe that big frog thing?
• 2:16:20
  Which one is the big frog thing? You guys like you, so you're
• 2:16:23
  going to listen to this after our Cryptid episodes, there was
• 2:16:27
  a 2 parter and there was a frog thing.
• 2:16:31
  We did make the frog. Thing on that episode.
• 2:16:33
  Yeah, I do remember the frog thing.
• 2:16:35
  I just can't get over Baba Yaga's house with the chicken
• 2:16:38
  legs. I'm still stuck on Baba Yaga.
• 2:16:42
  She. Would be the worst.
• 2:16:43
  Yeah. Baba Yaga, because like, yeah,
• 2:16:46
  it looks like she would take up the whole garden with her big
• 2:16:49
  fucking house legs. Or you what if you were living
• 2:16:52
  in the house and every time you walk up you were just somewhere
• 2:16:55
  else because the chicken decided to fucking I need.
• 2:17:01
  To work now fucking where am I? 20 miles away from where my
• 2:17:07
  fucking car was last parked and it was in a bad parking space
• 2:17:10
  anyways because of that parking space.
• 2:17:12
  Bastard. That's the thing.
• 2:17:16
  Baba Yaga is the parking space. Yeah.
• 2:17:20
  So I would say the worst would either be Mothman because he'd
• 2:17:23
  be a real downer, or Baba Yaga because your house would just
• 2:17:27
  keep walking away from your car. I would love to live in the same
• 2:17:31
  house as a as a Russian witch though.
• 2:17:33
  Yeah, you would. I would we have a lot to talk
• 2:17:37
  about. Oh on the same note, you get
• 2:17:40
  cursed by a witch but the curse is super inconvenient, not
• 2:17:46
  deadly so just something that's just annoying like you.
• 2:17:51
  Like you scream every time the microwave but something stupid
• 2:17:54
  like that. What's the curse?
• 2:17:56
  Oh, so like, what would I like to put on to somebody else or.
• 2:18:01
  No, you get cursed. Yeah, I'm obviously not going to
• 2:18:04
  give myself a bad curse, so let's say like I'm.
• 2:18:07
  You get cursed by a witch. OK, yeah, so the witch curses
• 2:18:09
  me. What would be an inconvenience
• 2:18:11
  then? And.
• 2:18:13
  More than like, yeah. Given my house chicken legs and
• 2:18:19
  yeah, so this, this could be like, you know, every time you
• 2:18:23
  ask you automatically had to shit so you could only eat on a
• 2:18:25
  toilet. Yeah, that's something like.
• 2:18:27
  Yeah, that's a yeah. That's what you would go.
• 2:18:30
  For no, I'm not saying, I'm just saying that's the kind of viable
• 2:18:32
  offer. Yeah.
• 2:18:33
  And I don't. Know.
• 2:18:34
  Yeah, yeah. I don't know, every every time
• 2:18:44
  you get horny you have to ring your dad and apologize.
• 2:18:48
  That'd be fucked up for me. Although my dad probably be like
• 2:18:51
  yeah, stop bringing me everything.
• 2:18:52
  You need a wank. I don't know why.
• 2:18:58
  Yeah. Oh fuck I've got so long like 2
• 2:19:04
  1/2 hours into this without me talking about wanking or fucking
• 2:19:06
  and like here I am now. Also, when I got the when I got
• 2:19:13
  the e-mail from Alex with Monday's episode in it, our
• 2:19:16
  retard count was 0. Oh really?
• 2:19:19
  Well, it's this episode. It's one now.
• 2:19:23
  Yeah, well, yeah. And then there was AI think you
• 2:19:26
  should leave references was only one and then Simpsons references
• 2:19:30
  was 14. Yeah, that makes sense.
• 2:19:32
  Yeah. I love that he counts those.
• 2:19:34
  Things I was going to say, he's putting a lot more effort into
• 2:19:37
  this than I would have thought he should do.
• 2:19:39
  Oh, he loves it. He loves it.
• 2:19:42
  Lady Alex. Thanks, Alex.
• 2:19:43
  I would I would say my I would curse you with every time you
• 2:19:49
  think about. I think you should leave now you
• 2:19:51
  have to slap yourself in the face.
• 2:19:53
  That would be. I would, I would take that.
• 2:19:57
  I would be like fuck it, it's worth it.
• 2:19:59
  You'd have CTE by the end of the fucking first day.
• 2:20:02
  I got concussed last week. I I can handle it.
• 2:20:05
  What I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I it's actually really funny.
• 2:20:12
  They text Matt and I was like, brother, I was like, I'm
• 2:20:16
  catching up to you in the race CTE.
• 2:20:18
  I just got my second concussion and he was like, how so I felt
• 2:20:24
  really, really sick last week. And I mean like really hot and
• 2:20:29
  like queasy. So it's just like, I have cold
• 2:20:31
  shower fixed everything. Had a cold shower, felt fine.
• 2:20:35
  Stepped out of the shower, I got really dizzy all of a sudden
• 2:20:39
  fell, cracked my head like right here on the door frame and I was
• 2:20:45
  just like, I was out for a few seconds.
• 2:20:47
  Fucking. Hell.
• 2:20:50
  Yeah. And I was just like, that's a
• 2:20:51
  concussion. And I was like, I'm not going to
• 2:20:54
  go to the, I'm not going to go to the hospital because I just,
• 2:20:56
  I know what it feels like. I know I have a concussion.
• 2:20:58
  I'm depressed. I feel like I'm going to throw.
• 2:21:00
  Up I'm like. I know what it is.
• 2:21:02
  And then like my neighbor was like upstairs texting me and
• 2:21:05
  like I didn't reply because I was getting dressed and she was
• 2:21:08
  like. If you don't.
• 2:21:09
  Reply in 30 fucking seconds. I'm coming down there.
• 2:21:12
  I'm. Like.
• 2:21:13
  Fine, it's OK. I'm not going to bend.
• 2:21:15
  Why anyone? It's fine.
• 2:21:18
  But yeah, so. My life.
• 2:21:24
  Can't you only get? Isn't it like you can only get
• 2:21:26
  12? Yeah, I heard it's like a rumour
• 2:21:29
  that it's like. Yeah.
• 2:21:31
  I, I, I don't think so. I think I've I don't.
• 2:21:36
  Think probably a lot more, yeah. Yeah, so mine, that would be
• 2:21:40
  inconvenient, but not deadly. I don't know.
• 2:21:43
  I farted when I came once, so probably every time I came I
• 2:21:47
  farted. I just.
• 2:21:48
  Came back. I don't like that that for me,
• 2:21:50
  like I, I, I just think that was like nice little cute thing.
• 2:21:54
  I don't think, I don't think that's all that inconveniently.
• 2:21:57
  I think he thought it was a queef and I was able to pass it
• 2:21:59
  off that way, but it was it was very much part OK.
• 2:22:02
  Next up, would you rather get possessed by a Victorian ghost?
• 2:22:08
  Hello, Governor. Or be stalked by a modern ghost
• 2:22:13
  who texts you hey at 2:00 AM every.
• 2:22:18
  Night. A modern ghost.
• 2:22:22
  You probably have a few, yeah. I do, but imagine just.
• 2:22:27
  Getting a text at 2:00 in the morning everywhere from just a
• 2:22:30
  ghost just feel like hey. My do not disturb goes on at
• 2:22:42
  4:00 PM so I would not hear you. It's 4:00 PM till 7:00 AM.
• 2:22:48
  You will never wake me up. I only look up my phone when I
• 2:22:51
  want to. Oh dude, I'm no I you can reach
• 2:22:56
  me when I want you to reach me. Other than that, no.
• 2:22:59
  So yeah, I would say that because I would do the the
• 2:23:02
  modern ghost because I wouldn't. But also being being haunted by
• 2:23:06
  a or possessed by a Victorian child sounds hilarious to me.
• 2:23:09
  You just see me running the hoop down the fucking Rd. down there.
• 2:23:13
  It's like, oh, there he is now again.
• 2:23:14
  Just. He's fucking.
• 2:23:15
  Possessed me, Possessed by Arthur I.
• 2:23:19
  Start Helga. Stay already.
• 2:23:28
  We got 2 1/2 hours in before Simpsons references start
• 2:23:31
  getting brought in. So.
• 2:23:34
  You made it 18 papers. Is is the worst thing that the
• 2:23:39
  the modern ghost does is just text gently?
• 2:23:42
  Answer. The.
• 2:23:43
  Question. You got like, yeah, would you
• 2:23:46
  rather get possessed by a Victorian ghost or stalked by a
• 2:23:50
  modern ghost to text you at 2:00 AM every night?
• 2:23:57
  Oh, both are emotionally manipulative.
• 2:24:01
  I'll go off for the Victorian child, for the craft, I think
• 2:24:04
  that I mean. I I think, yeah.
• 2:24:07
  It'd be more interesting. It doesn't have to be a child.
• 2:24:08
  It's a Victorian ghost. But yeah, reading that
• 2:24:11
  emotionally manipulative thing we have, we have a lot of new
• 2:24:15
  terms of psychology and stuff like that now, like gaslighting
• 2:24:17
  and stuff that I don't think a Victorian ghost would be able to
• 2:24:21
  properly be manipulative because.
• 2:24:23
  We've heard a. Lot gaslighting.
• 2:24:25
  Gaslighting for a Victorian would be literally lighting gas
• 2:24:29
  there. In their St. lamps.
• 2:24:32
  Yeah, that's how their St. lamps work.
• 2:24:34
  So if you said you're gaslighting me, what's that,
• 2:24:36
  Governor? You talking about?
• 2:24:38
  St. Lamps.
• 2:24:39
  Are you talking about lights? I was only down chimney.
• 2:24:42
  The other day, I don't know why he's cockney.
• 2:24:46
  The apples and pears she was embarrassed of her drove a lorry
• 2:24:55
  if you're care for a drink. I would be if I was a Victorian
• 2:25:07
  ghost, I would be like the ghost of like an old prostitute.
• 2:25:11
  But how would it be? How would it be emotionally
• 2:25:14
  manipulative as a Victorian ghost?
• 2:25:16
  I, I, I don't like when you're looking in the mirror.
• 2:25:19
  Oh, you've put on a couple of tuppins.
• 2:25:22
  You put out a couple of tuppins and pants.
• 2:25:30
  Just have to cut down on your chilies.
• 2:25:33
  Been eating too many Brisbane pies?
• 2:25:43
  I was gonna say that I was like. Pork scratchings, too much bread
• 2:25:48
  and butter pudding? You've.
• 2:25:49
  Been eating too. Much.
• 2:25:55
  Gruel. Getting fat shamed by my own
• 2:25:58
  Victorian fucking bold. And gruel.
• 2:26:02
  No fatty, it is too many midst meat pies.
• 2:26:08
  So if your sleep paralysis demon started giving you life advice,
• 2:26:15
  what would it say? What?
• 2:26:17
  Why does it? Why does it have to be a sleep
• 2:26:19
  paralysis demon? He asked because he sits on the
• 2:26:23
  end of your bed and you're lying there and he's just probably
• 2:26:25
  like, dude, come on. So I've been meaning to talk to
• 2:26:27
  you. We've all, we all agree mine
• 2:26:30
  would be stop texting that man, leave that man alone, Leave that
• 2:26:34
  man alone with his pain and sit down.
• 2:26:38
  Mine would be like dude. Couldn't you clean this room a
• 2:26:43
  little bit? How come you only ever clean
• 2:26:46
  this room when you think someone's coming back here?
• 2:26:48
  Why don't you clean this room for me?
• 2:26:51
  You've been in those sheets for almost 2 weeks now.
• 2:26:55
  Why is your sleep paralysis demon Sean Connery?
• 2:27:00
  Listen here, listen here you scumbag.
• 2:27:05
  Why don't you clean this shit whole?
• 2:27:07
  Of our room. You've got glasses all over the
• 2:27:10
  place. Put them in the dishwasher.
• 2:27:15
  My sleep paralysis team and I imagine sounds like Roger from
• 2:27:18
  American Dad. Very.
• 2:27:19
  Oh, you bitch. Like I think that would be him,
• 2:27:23
  and I think the advice was a voice.
• 2:27:25
  Mine is apparently Sean Connery's home.
• 2:27:27
  He is. I would just like I think mine
• 2:27:29
  would just take my phone and throw it across the room so I
• 2:27:32
  was paralyzed and couldn't reach it and couldn't text that boy
• 2:27:34
  back. Yeah.
• 2:27:36
  My dating life is atrocious, but yeah, that's all the questions
• 2:27:41
  that we have. The name is Eamon Sleeper
• 2:27:46
  rather. Even.
• 2:27:49
  I noticed you're comfy. Under your suits.
• 2:27:51
  You mind if I. Shit on top of.
• 2:27:54
  You Did you ever hear Sean Henry thought most slapping women?
• 2:27:59
  Yes, yes I did. Just give them a little.
• 2:28:01
  That wasn't Darby O'gill, you know.
• 2:28:03
  And then he then there's like years later, like someone was
• 2:28:07
  like, do you still have the same views?
• 2:28:10
  And he was like, yeah, if a woman gets hysterical, I slap
• 2:28:12
  them. And you know.
• 2:28:15
  What fair play to him. That's sometimes I need a good
• 2:28:18
  slap. You can't give fucking Sean
• 2:28:20
  O'Connor a pass. As a woman, sometimes I need a
• 2:28:23
  good slap. Honestly, I'll say that.
• 2:28:26
  I No, no, no. Sometimes I'm crashing out and
• 2:28:30
  I'm like, Jesus, I wish a manager slap me across the face
• 2:28:33
  right now and then. I'd be right.
• 2:28:34
  I'd be right. That's setting feminism back at
• 2:28:37
  me, Danny. Surely you said a good, a good
• 2:28:40
  shoulder shake, you know, shake some senses here maybe like.
• 2:28:44
  I wouldn't. No, I mean, there's times.
• 2:28:45
  And to go back on to the Victorian thing, there are times
• 2:28:50
  when something's wrong with me that the only cure is for me to
• 2:28:53
  away to the sea to cure my hysteria.
• 2:28:57
  And that's, that happens a lot more than I I'm like, I need to
• 2:29:01
  go to Sully Beach and sit on the rocks and scream at the sea.
• 2:29:06
  And I've actually done that. Like I remember my dad passed
• 2:29:10
  away. I was home for the funeral and
• 2:29:13
  everything. And I, I came back to Cardiff
• 2:29:15
  and like Cardiff is, is right on the sea.
• 2:29:17
  Like you drive 20 minutes in any direction and you're, you're by
• 2:29:20
  the sea. And my, my ex at the time, he
• 2:29:23
  was like, do you want to go yell at the sea?
• 2:29:24
  And I was like, I think I do. So he went.
• 2:29:26
  To the beach. No one around because it was
• 2:29:28
  like February and he was like, go ahead, I.
• 2:29:31
  Was like you stupid. See.
• 2:29:35
  Like just screaming at the sea. And it makes you feel a lot.
• 2:29:37
  Better so I get where they used to prescribe that in Victorian
• 2:29:40
  times like. I used to.
• 2:29:42
  I used to have a tree that I talked to even if my you.
• 2:29:46
  Should talk to trees. Yeah, even into my teenage years
• 2:29:48
  I used to go. There was a particular tree in
• 2:29:51
  the town. Here, you told me this before.
• 2:29:53
  That I used to go on just go and just have a chat with some
• 2:29:56
  things. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:29:58
  Like I feel weird. Not I don't feel as I used to
• 2:30:01
  feel weird about kind of like into my 20s and 30s.
• 2:30:03
  And now I kind of like, jeez, I missed that tree.
• 2:30:05
  Like I told that tree, a lot of shit.
• 2:30:08
  Is it still there? Yeah, I imagine it is.
• 2:30:10
  No, actually it's not I. See it?
• 2:30:12
  No, it's not there. But they do.
• 2:30:15
  So there's tree spirits and then you can you can go to the sea
• 2:30:18
  and you can tell the sea things and then sirens take it and hold
• 2:30:22
  people. So take that.
• 2:30:24
  Take your little. But that's.
• 2:30:25
  Yeah, yeah, your little Victorian ghost mocks you for
• 2:30:30
  me. Oh, you gotta go talk to the
• 2:30:31
  trees again, are you? You've got mentally.
• 2:30:34
  Trees. No friends to talk to?
• 2:30:37
  Who's the tree? Look at you, look at you queen
• 2:30:41
  and harpies. Here's your crown.
• 2:30:47
  Your Majesty. Oh, but yeah, no, like, you
• 2:30:54
  should talk to trees. I'm like, that's what they said.
• 2:30:56
  They always say you should like talk to your plants.
• 2:30:58
  And I got a plant. I'm sure you saw my story the
• 2:31:01
  daily. I have no plants in this
• 2:31:03
  apartment, but at least bought me a little succulent.
• 2:31:06
  And I named him Eli because Elise, Eli, all my plants are
• 2:31:10
  boys when I did have them. So I got him and he was like
• 2:31:15
  perfect, lush green, whatever. But put him on my altar, went to
• 2:31:19
  bed, one of his little things turned yellow and fell off in
• 2:31:23
  the middle of the night and I was like.
• 2:31:26
  On. That altar, yeah, it's after
• 2:31:28
  taking a hit for something. So I was like, fuck.
• 2:31:32
  So I was literally like looking at.
• 2:31:33
  I was like, there's no way it could have happened because I
• 2:31:35
  just bought him. And then Elise is like, she's
• 2:31:38
  got loads and loads of plants and she was like, Oh yeah, like
• 2:31:39
  he's like the soil and stuff. Is damp enough that you don't.
• 2:31:41
  Have to do it for like another week.
• 2:31:43
  Just leave him as he is. And I was like perfect fucking
• 2:31:46
  thing that just fell. Off and then like the the.
• 2:31:49
  The leaf and almost like rotten. It's like it was falling apart
• 2:31:52
  in my hand and I was just like, oh, I was like, I was like,
• 2:31:57
  obviously there's too much going on there, I'm going to have to
• 2:32:00
  move him. So he's like on my other table
• 2:32:02
  now, away from everything. And he seems to be doing OK now.
• 2:32:05
  But yeah, that freaked me out a little because I was like, This
• 2:32:07
  is why I don't like having plants because apparently
• 2:32:10
  they're like conduits. You you spoke about that and all
• 2:32:15
  I could think about in my head was trying to make a joke.
• 2:32:18
  I would have succulent to suck your length and it just it just
• 2:32:22
  didn't there's. Nothing.
• 2:32:24
  I can't get there. I can't get to suck your length
• 2:32:26
  from succulent. Well, write that down.
• 2:32:29
  Put a pen in that. Annie, we have gone.
• 2:32:35
  We have gone the full joy. Or.
• 2:32:36
  We have. We.
• 2:32:38
  We are. We have.
• 2:32:39
  We have. We've done it.
• 2:32:40
  We've gone true. The tragedy of the von Erichs.
• 2:32:45
  We talked a little. What did we talk about in the
• 2:32:49
  middle there? There was some absolute bollock
• 2:32:51
  talk in the middle there, wasn't it?
• 2:32:53
  Witchcraft, yeah. Oh, that wasn't bollock.
• 2:32:56
  Witchcraft was yourself. Yeah, I normally automatically
• 2:32:59
  think it was bollocks talk because I normally do the
• 2:33:02
  talking, but it was your witchcraft stuff.
• 2:33:04
  You were asking the questions though, to be fair.
• 2:33:06
  Yeah, no, yeah, that's what I'm going to.
• 2:33:08
  We're going to do a tarot reading for me at some stage and
• 2:33:11
  want to find out. Yeah, we should do it on the
• 2:33:12
  next one. We're going to find out what
• 2:33:15
  lies ahead for for all Justifer here and.
• 2:33:18
  For all well. It's not like a future teller.
• 2:33:23
  OK, whatever, fucking explain to me on the next one Manny we
• 2:33:27
  have. I will.
• 2:33:29
  We answered a few of your questions.
• 2:33:32
  Mothman Babiaga. They'd be the worst people to
• 2:33:35
  hang out with. Little Victorian.
• 2:33:39
  Chili, I love that it works because it's going to throw back
• 2:33:43
  to our last two episodes. So you're hearing this in three
• 2:33:46
  weeks? No two weeks because we're doing
• 2:33:49
  2 for. You 2.
• 2:33:49
  This week we did 2. For you.
• 2:33:52
  Last. Week.
• 2:33:55
  And in the past. This is.
• 2:33:57
  Yeah, this is the. Past.
• 2:33:59
  So that's the episode, ladies and gentlemen.
• 2:34:01
  It's going out with a whimper rather than a bang, but I
• 2:34:04
  suppose any any last words, Danny?
• 2:34:07
  No, other than if you think of anything that you want us to
• 2:34:10
  cover, do let us know. Send us a message.
• 2:34:13
  We love hearing from you guys. Focus, focus.
• 2:34:15
  Lack of focus on Instagram. Yeah, and I was actually really
• 2:34:21
  surprised that that username was taken because usually people
• 2:34:24
  have fucking ridiculous usernames for for nothing.
• 2:34:27
  But yeah, put us up, let us know.
• 2:34:30
  We also have an e-mail. We have hocus pocus lack of
• 2:34:33
  focus@gmail.com if you would rather.
• 2:34:35
  I was going to say I was going to set one up, but if you have,
• 2:34:37
  yeah. So if you've got some long
• 2:34:39
  forms. For this.
• 2:34:40
  Saying that, send your send your stories if you have anything
• 2:34:44
  paranormal, anything weird, anything, if you've anything at
• 2:34:48
  all to talk to us about, like we keep saying like let's cover
• 2:34:52
  this, let's cover that. But if you've got something
• 2:34:54
  interesting, we can cover that shit too.
• 2:34:56
  And we'd. Love.
• 2:34:58
  To hear your stories. We will force this into a twice
• 2:35:02
  weekly podcast and our producer will hate us.
• 2:35:08
  Yeah, he. Already does.
• 2:35:11
  Yeah, so get us up on the socials, guys.
• 2:35:14
  I've been Justy. She's been Danny.
• 2:35:17
  Thanks for hanging around with us for a spell, I.
• 2:35:22
  Don't. I don't like that you said
• 2:35:23
  hanging when the whole theme. Hangs for suicide.
• 2:35:26
  OK. I've been Josie.
• 2:35:28
  She's been Danny. Thanks for spending some time
• 2:35:31
  with us, for us, man.