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Ken Rosenthal’s Buy/Sell Update · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Yankees are definitely going to get after it. Brian Cashman
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Speaker 1: has said, We're go into town the Boston Red Sox.
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Speaker 1: They're buyers, so why not strengthen your strength.
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Speaker 2: Let's hit the inside scoop with FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal. Ken,
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Speaker 2: great to see you, Happy second half of the season
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Speaker 2: to you and trade deadline season. So I want to
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Speaker 2: start with the AL West leader. The Houston Astros could
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Speaker 2: have a number of starting pitchers returning in the second
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Speaker 2: half of the season. They have a lead in the
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Speaker 2: AL West. Jeremy Pania and Jordan Alvarez should return at
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Speaker 2: some point in the second half of the season.
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Speaker 3: Do you think they.
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Speaker 2: Will be aggressive buyers because the American League has been
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Speaker 2: kind of weak the past couple of years, and who knows,
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Speaker 2: maybe the Astros mess around and end up in the
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Speaker 2: World Series again.
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Speaker 4: Right, certainly can't rule that out.
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Speaker 1: And I do think they will be aggressive and it's
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Speaker 1: going to be really interesting to see what they try
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Speaker 1: to accomplish.
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Speaker 4: Channel the Road.
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Speaker 1: Athletic and of our network speculated that they would go
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Speaker 1: for Merrill Kelly strengthen the rotation further because you don't
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Speaker 1: know what you're getting from Christian Vasquez and Luis Garcia
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Speaker 1: and the pitchers who are coming back. You can't be
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Speaker 1: sure of that, so why not strengthen your strength. Put
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Speaker 1: Kelly with from ber Valdez and Hunter Brown, and then
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Speaker 1: you really have something. We know they have a great
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Speaker 1: back end of the bullpen. Their offense once Alvarez is.
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Speaker 4: With them, should be okay.
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Speaker 1: The one thing that they've also needed and have talked
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Speaker 1: about is a second baseman, and preferably a left handed
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Speaker 1: hitting second basement.
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Speaker 4: If the Rays over the next ten days Falter.
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Speaker 1: Maybe they make Brandon Lau available. But I'm putting two
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Speaker 1: and two together. I have no idea whether that would happen,
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Speaker 1: But yes, to answer your question, Scott, I do expect
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Speaker 1: them to be aggressive.
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Speaker 5: I think we have to check to see if my
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Speaker 5: mic is on or if anybody's mic is on in Seattle,
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Speaker 5: Jerry Depoto, like is this thing out? Like we haven't
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Speaker 5: seen any moves from Jerry to Poto. What can we
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Speaker 5: see from Seattle that needs to like get this team
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Speaker 5: over the hump and get this vaunted pitching staff in
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Speaker 5: the playoffs.
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Speaker 1: Eric, we haven't really seen any moves from anyone, So
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Speaker 1: I don't think we should single out Jerry Depoto or
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Speaker 1: any other president of.
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Speaker 4: Base Operations or head of base operations.
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Speaker 1: At this point, which July eighteenth, we are thirteen days away,
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Speaker 1: and really they've only been a couple of very minor
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Speaker 1: deals so far. Now to the question of what Seattle
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Speaker 1: needs and what they want, they've been talking about a
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Speaker 1: corner infield bat Could it be a Johanno Suarez, Could
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Speaker 1: it be Josh Naylor, someone along those lines, And I
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Speaker 1: would expect that they're going to be active along those fronts. Now,
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Speaker 1: could they do other things as well? Could they strengthen
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Speaker 1: the bullpen? Could you maybe even at a starter. Jerry
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Speaker 1: Depoto is the kind of head of base operations I
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Speaker 1: put nothing past and you never know.
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Speaker 4: What they might think of.
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Speaker 1: But the rotation still seems to be a strength. Now
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Speaker 1: that pretty much they are healthy except for Bryce Miller,
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Speaker 1: and offense is where they can.
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Speaker 4: Really make the biggest upgrade.
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Speaker 1: The question with all of these things that we're going
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Speaker 1: to talk about for the next two weeks, guys, is
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Speaker 1: where is the quality in this market? Where are the
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Speaker 1: good players that are available. They're not that much of
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Speaker 1: a supply. There's not that much of a supply right now.
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Speaker 1: And that is the issue. That's the problem that teams
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Speaker 1: are going to face. There are some executives predicting it's
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Speaker 1: going to be a boring deadline because just of what
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Speaker 1: I said, there are not that many good players available,
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Speaker 1: and it's going to be tough for teams even to
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Speaker 1: pry away some of the ones that.
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Speaker 5: Are What are you hearing about the market for Luis
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Speaker 5: Robert Obviously twenty twenty three All Star and super feenom
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Speaker 5: coming up possibly in the last two years have been
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Speaker 5: a dud, But what have you been hearing out there
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Speaker 5: about his availability but also his desire from other teams
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Speaker 5: to want him.
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Speaker 1: He's highly available and the White Sox eric hole the
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Speaker 1: twenty million dollar club option on him for next year.
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Speaker 1: They're not exercising that option. So you have to trade
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Speaker 1: Luis Robert Junior to get anything in return for him,
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Speaker 1: and I mean anything, whatever it might be. Now, if
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Speaker 1: you're the White Sox, you will tell teams hey still
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Speaker 1: a great defender or good defender in centerfield, steals a
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Speaker 1: lot of bases. Of course, has to get on to
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Speaker 1: steal bases, but we believe he can still be a
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Speaker 1: contributor for your contending team. Contenders are going to say
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Speaker 1: in response, he's hitting one ninety or whatever the number is,
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Speaker 1: and we're not paying a premium for this dude, especially
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Speaker 1: when he's got some money coming to him.
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Speaker 4: So I expect to be traded.
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Speaker 1: I don't expect he's going to bring back a lot,
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Speaker 1: and I expect the team that.
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Speaker 4: Acquires him will say, change his scenery. Maybe it will
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Speaker 4: do him good.
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Speaker 1: If you look at what happened with Andrew Vaughn in Milwaukee,
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Speaker 1: Andrew Vaughan was one of the worst offensive players in
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Speaker 1: the league and suddenly he is a significant contributor for
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Speaker 1: the Brewers. Now, maybe it's only one good week, I
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Speaker 1: get it. But at the same time, maybe getting guys
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Speaker 1: out of there and having them join a new team,
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Speaker 1: team that will refresh them and bring them perhaps to
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Speaker 1: a greater level of performance.
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Speaker 5: Do you know, maybe this is something that's way out
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Speaker 5: of your scope. But Luis Robert his contract you've said
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Speaker 5: about they have a team option to pick it up
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Speaker 5: if he gets traded. Does he have the opportunity to say, hey,
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Speaker 5: I want them to pick up this trade. I don't know,
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Speaker 5: if he's like no trade clause any of that stuff.
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Speaker 5: Would teams be afraid to then not trade for him.
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Speaker 5: If that were the case, I.
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Speaker 4: Would expect that if he gets traded Eric, the.
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Speaker 1: Team that acquires him will be operating under the premise
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Speaker 1: that they're not picking up the option. Now, maybe he
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Speaker 1: goes NOTHS in the final two months and you say,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I'll take it for twenty million next year.
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Speaker 1: But what are the odds of that. I don't think
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Speaker 1: they're very high. So there's no no trade clause. As
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Speaker 1: far as I know, he can't demand them to pick
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Speaker 1: up an option, and teams would laugh.
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Speaker 4: At him if he did that anyway.
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Speaker 1: So that's my expectation that any team that acquires him
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Speaker 1: looks at him as a rental.
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Speaker 6: A lot of AL teams hovering over that five hundred mark.
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Speaker 6: As we've seen, it's going to be a battle to
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Speaker 6: the finish. That's exciting for baseball, exciting for everybody that's
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Speaker 6: a baseball fan. You do you know any sellers or
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Speaker 6: buyers right now of those AL teams are as a
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Speaker 6: wait and see closer to the deadline as we get there.
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Speaker 1: Todd, there are a number of teams that are waiting
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Speaker 1: to see and I will go through them as quickly
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Speaker 1: as I possible in the as I can. In the
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Speaker 1: American League, the Boston Red Sox their buyers, but the
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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Rays, after losing twelve of sixteen, they don't
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Speaker 1: know where they are. Next ten days are critical for them.
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Speaker 1: Minnesota and Cleveland four four and a half games out
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Speaker 1: in the wildcard race. Next ten days also critical for them,
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Speaker 1: and even Kansas City, which just acquired Adam Frasier and
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Speaker 1: clearly wants to compete. If things go south for them
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Speaker 1: in the next ten days, they're going to have to
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Speaker 1: look at trading Seth Lugo.
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Speaker 4: And then you get to the Western Division.
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Speaker 1: The Texas Rangers are another team that are kind of
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Speaker 1: in this We're not quite sure who we are. They
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Speaker 1: want to contend they have built this team to be
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Speaker 1: a really good team and it hasn't happened. So if
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Speaker 1: they do not fire in the next couple of days
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Speaker 1: and weeks, I would expect they're gonna have to take
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Speaker 1: a hard look at some things too and maybe consider
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Speaker 1: themselves more of a seller.
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Speaker 2: Can I'll flip over to the National League. I like
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Speaker 2: this term that you use sometimes, bell of the ball.
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Speaker 2: Do you think the Pirates might end up as that team?
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Speaker 2: Because they do have assets in Dennis Santana and David
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Speaker 2: Bednar in the back end of the bullpen. If there
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Speaker 2: aren't significant starters available, like let's say the Diamondback's going
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Speaker 2: to run the next ten days, they take their guys
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Speaker 2: off the market. Mitch Keller might be the best starting
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Speaker 2: pitcher available at the trade deadline. Do you think the
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Speaker 2: Pirates could be this very popular team.
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Speaker 4: I do.
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Speaker 1: And it's not just miss Keller, of course, It's Kip
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Speaker 1: Ryan Hayes, It's Brian Reynolds, it's the two relievers you mentioned.
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Speaker 4: They could do annumber of things. Now will they do them?
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Speaker 4: I don't know. And they're in a really.
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Speaker 1: Good position with Keller in particular, because of the shortage
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Speaker 1: of starting pitchers.
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Speaker 4: Who is the Max Schurzer of this year's deadline.
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Speaker 1: There is none, So you're looking at Sandy Alcantra, who
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Speaker 1: has struggled, Zack Gown, who has struggled.
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Speaker 4: Merrill. Kelly is good.
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Speaker 1: The Diamondbacks probably will only trade one of Kelly and
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Speaker 1: Gown if they trade at all.
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Speaker 4: And then there's Mitch Keller and maybe a few others.
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Speaker 1: Adrian Howser with the White Sox, Charlie Morton with the Orioles.
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Speaker 4: It's not a killer group.
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Speaker 1: By any stretch of the imagination. So Scott, to answer
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Speaker 1: your question, yes, the Pirates do hold a lot of pieces.
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Speaker 1: They have no reason to hold on to them, and
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Speaker 1: I would expect, because they've made it known that the
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Speaker 1: only untouchables are Skeins and McCutcheon, that they will be
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Speaker 1: quite active.
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Speaker 2: One more team in that division. Let's say the Cardinals
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Speaker 2: fall off over the next ten days. Do you think
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Speaker 2: they could open things up with a Ryan Helslee and
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Speaker 2: maybe even a Sunny What was he saying, Kratz that
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Speaker 2: he would maybe consider a trade at the deadline.
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Speaker 5: He said no in the off season. Okay, possibly consider
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Speaker 5: it at the trade deadline.
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Speaker 3: That would be a big name.
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Speaker 4: It would be, and their team to watch as well.
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Speaker 1: They fall into that same uncertain category that I lived
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Speaker 1: with the American League teams.
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Speaker 4: Hellsley is a guy.
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Speaker 1: Yes, if he became available, teams would love to have him.
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Speaker 1: He'd be an easier pitcher or closer to acquire than
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Speaker 1: Classe or Durant or Jackson in the American League. Those
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Speaker 1: guys have control left. You'd have to pay a higher price.
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Speaker 1: Helsey would be a rental The Cardinals are a team
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Speaker 1: that is played beyond where they thought they would be,
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Speaker 1: beyond where really everyone in the.
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Speaker 4: Industry thought they would be.
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Speaker 1: I don't expect John Mosey Lock as President Baseball Operations
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Speaker 1: in his final year, is going to want to concede
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Speaker 1: if they're anywhere close. But yes, Scott, under the scenario
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Speaker 1: that you just presented, if they fall off, sure I
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Speaker 1: would expect that they would open things up.
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Speaker 6: Go back to the Northeast. Here we got to ask
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Speaker 6: this question, Mets. The Yankees also having a really good year.
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Speaker 6: What do you see these two teams doing at the deadline.
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Speaker 6: We know what the Yankees need, maybe a third base,
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Speaker 6: maybe another starting pitcher, Mets, I mean they can use it,
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Speaker 6: you know, another starter or two as well. Like what
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Speaker 6: are their specific needs and do you see both those
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Speaker 6: teams getting after it.
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Speaker 4: The Yankees are definitely going to get after it.
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Speaker 1: Brian Cashman has said, we're going to town and they
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Speaker 1: have very obvious needs, starting pitcher being one, bullpen help
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Speaker 1: being perhaps the most important thing that they can do.
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Speaker 1: And yes, the third basement as well, especially now with
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Speaker 1: Jazz back at second and they don't really get any
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Speaker 1: offense out of Parraza at third, so they want to
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Speaker 1: improve in all of those areas. The Mets are a
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Speaker 1: little bit different that they can do some things too,
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Speaker 1: and Will Bullpen, I would expect would be their primary
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Speaker 1: area of focus. Yes, certainly they could use a starter
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Speaker 1: given the situation that they're.
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Speaker 4: In, but it's good to know with them.
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Speaker 1: They've got Senga healthy, now, they've got Manaia back, and
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Speaker 1: Montas looks like he might be okay too.
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Speaker 4: You put those three with.
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Speaker 1: David Peterson, I don't know that you need to play
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Speaker 1: on a big starter.
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Speaker 4: Maybe you just need a depth guy.
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Speaker 1: And then they've also talked about centerfield and maybe Harrison
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Speaker 1: Bader coming back someone like that. So I expect them
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Speaker 1: to be active as well. And their form system is
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Speaker 1: deeper than it was, so to get what they want,
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Speaker 1: they might not have to trade their top guys. And
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Speaker 1: in this market, I don't know that there's anybody worth.
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Speaker 4: Your top guys. So we'll see how that plays out.
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Speaker 5: What phrase did Cashman use that you just said going
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Speaker 5: to town? Going to town. That doesn't sound like Brian
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Speaker 5: Cashman at the trade deadline. That sounds like Yankees fans
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Speaker 5: at the trade deadline thinking what Brian Cashman should do so. Historically, Historically,
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Speaker 5: he doesn't go to town. Is there a team that
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Speaker 5: is going to be reckless at the trade deadline or
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Speaker 5: should be reckless based on the fact that maybe this
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Speaker 5: front office doesn't have a job anymore.
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Speaker 1: Well, the Ekis have been generally active at the deadline
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Speaker 1: when they've had a chance, So going to town is
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Speaker 1: not a phrase that I've heard him use before, but
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Speaker 1: he has been active.
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Speaker 4: He does not hesitate.
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Speaker 1: The Toronto Blue Jays are a team that their front
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Speaker 1: office has been under some scrutiny in recent years. And yes,
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Speaker 1: their contracts are essentially up Mark Schapiro this year as
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Speaker 1: the team president, Ross Atkins next year as the general manager.
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Speaker 4: Obviously they are linked.
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Speaker 1: They have the ability to do some things to upgrade themselves,
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Speaker 1: and they are willing, I am quite certain to trade
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Speaker 1: from the fums to do so.
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Speaker 4: And I don't know that I would say they're trying
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Speaker 4: to save their jobs.
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Speaker 1: Baseball executives don't operate like that too often. They are
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Speaker 1: generally pretty responsible, trying to protect their teams present as
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Speaker 1: well as their future. But the Jays are certainly motivated
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Speaker 1: because they haven't played well in recent years and here.
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Speaker 1: They are finally back at the top of the division
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Speaker 1: and they've got a chance with this.
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Speaker 4: Particular group of players to do something special. So yes,
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Speaker 4: I don't know that they'll do anything reckless, but I
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Speaker 4: expect them to be active and aggressive. The other team
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Speaker 4: that we have to watch because aj Preller is so
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Speaker 4: creative and aggressive always is San Diego.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know that they're going to go crazy,
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Speaker 1: and their system is not what it once was, and
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Speaker 1: we don't know how much payroll flexibility they have, but
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Speaker 1: they have a clear need in left field. They could
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Speaker 1: certainly use another reliever because as good as their bullpen is,
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Speaker 1: with three All Stars and Estrada could have been an
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Speaker 1: All Star, those guys are all up near the league
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Speaker 1: lead in appearances, and then a starting pitcher as well
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Speaker 1: would be something that would behoove them a controllable starter,
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Speaker 1: ideally with CEC and King both eligible for free agency.
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Speaker 1: I can't predict and will not predict what aj Preller
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Speaker 1: might do.
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Speaker 4: But do I expect him to be busy? Oh? Yeah, always,
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Speaker 4: that's what he does.
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Speaker 3: I think you should.
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Speaker 2: I love their bullpen. I mean that bullpen caused problems
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Speaker 2: last year in the playoffs. Could have got them to
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Speaker 2: a World Series. It was close, so I'm all for it.
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Speaker 2: Two more to go, Ken. We're taking you away from
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Speaker 2: the teams and the player specifically for some bigger picture topics. Actually,
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Speaker 2: this one does involve a player, but it's not trade wise.
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Speaker 2: I was crushed annihilated yesterday when we went through your
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Speaker 2: athletic notes column. Okay, and we were going down the
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Speaker 2: line and we got to the Kyle Tucker conversation. AJ
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Speaker 2: and Kratz bullied me like never before on this show,
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Speaker 2: saying I was absolutely insane for even considering that Kyle
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Speaker 2: Tucker would ever sign with the Rays based on a
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Speaker 2: new owner coming in and spending money like that. Can
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Speaker 2: you help defend me since you actually put the article
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Speaker 2: out and I bought into it. I said, it's not
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Speaker 2: the craziest thing in the world.
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Speaker 3: Is it likely? No, But we don't know this guy,
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Speaker 3: and sometimes owners come in and spend.
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Speaker 1: Big I don't know why you would be bullied over that.
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Speaker 1: It was speculative, yes, but yes, that's the whole thing.
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Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker's from Tampa. He is a guy that is
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Speaker 1: kind of quiet to himself, doesn't necessarily need the bright lights,
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Speaker 1: and if an came in and was willing to pay
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Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker.
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Speaker 4: Admittedly that's a long shot.
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Speaker 1: No matter who the owner is in Tampa Bay because
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Speaker 1: of their market, I can't imagine he wouldn't entertain the idea.
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Speaker 4: And if you remember a couple of years ago, they
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Speaker 4: went pretty big for Freddy Freeman.
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Speaker 1: Now, one hundred and fifty million, which is what they
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Speaker 1: were offering Freddy, is different than four hundred to five hundred,
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Speaker 1: which is what Cayle Tucker's going to get.
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Speaker 4: I understand all that, but there's no reason you should
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Speaker 4: have been bullied about this.
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Speaker 1: It was merely a note and not even the lead
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Speaker 1: note in a column, and just kind of an idea
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Speaker 1: to throw out there for people to kind of think about.
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Speaker 4: I didn't present it as anything that's going to happen.
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Speaker 1: But it's an intriguing thought because once they do get
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Speaker 1: a new owner, I would expect a new owner is.
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Speaker 4: Going to act differently than the previous owner.
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Speaker 1: Whether he goes out and signs a Kyle Tucker that's
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Speaker 1: another question entirely. But yeah, when a new owner comes in,
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Speaker 1: generally things change.
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Speaker 2: I was getting a side eye from Crats just now,
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Speaker 2: but ken they even came back with me at one
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Speaker 2: point and said, new owners take time, and I gave them.
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Speaker 2: Cohen and Mark Walter. They that that doesn't count. Then
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Speaker 2: I brought then we both brought up the Orioles. But
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Speaker 2: wait the Orioles. They're like, well that hasn't worked out.
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Speaker 2: Wait the ools up there. Yeah, he said so he
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Speaker 2: actually said it wrong.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe the peril increased by the second highest
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Speaker 1: amount last year. Now did they spend well, that's another question.
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Speaker 1: But he did come in and spend. It wasn't like
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Speaker 1: they went crazy. They didn't resign Corbyn Burns, but they
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Speaker 1: did spend some money.
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Speaker 3: Yes, they offered.
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Speaker 5: They offered Corbyn Burns some cash.
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Speaker 3: They did. They did the.
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Speaker 4: Big offer. It was four that's a big offer.
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Speaker 5: Up in the highest highest av I think.
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Speaker 3: Yes it was, but it wasn't.
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Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you, Ken. I appreciate you being on
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Speaker 5: our side because one we didn't bully him. You were
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Speaker 5: on our side. You understand on your side, he's on
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Speaker 5: our side.
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Speaker 6: Thank you.
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Speaker 5: You brought up the exact same argument that I had
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Speaker 5: Freddy Freeman for one hundred and fifty is way different
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Speaker 5: than Kyle Tucker. So you're on our side, and you
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Speaker 5: don't even know it, so you're a bully to Scott.
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Speaker 2: Also, all right, ed, last one, Okay, let's see if
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Speaker 2: we can find common ground here. Topic of the day.
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Speaker 2: Should we push the trade deadline back two weeks?
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Speaker 1: I know that's a hot topic, and I understand where
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Speaker 1: it comes from, because by August fifteenth, things will be
17:19
Speaker 1: clearer than they're going to be perhaps on July thirty. First,
17:23
Speaker 1: the problem I have with pushing the deadline back is
17:25
Speaker 1: the impact wouldn't be the same, and you're getting a
17:28
Speaker 1: guy for six weeks instead of two months. I know
17:30
Speaker 1: it's not that much of a difference, but the action
17:33
Speaker 1: wouldn't be quite what it is now.
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Speaker 4: You wouldn't give up.
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Speaker 1: The same quality of prospect for six weeks on a rental,
17:41
Speaker 1: for instance.
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Speaker 4: So I'm not for it.
17:44
Speaker 1: I understand the sentiment, and in this particular case, let's
17:48
Speaker 1: look at this year's deadline. Even if we have more
17:51
Speaker 1: clarity on August fifteenth, I don't know that we're gonna
17:54
Speaker 1: have many better players available.
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Speaker 4: So I am not in favor of that.
17:58
Speaker 1: And I know the argument and understand the argument for it,
18:01
Speaker 1: and there's a valid argument there, but in my view,
18:06
Speaker 1: it's more exciting to force teams to make decisions with
18:09
Speaker 1: two months to go, and you get better prospects involved,
18:12
Speaker 1: you get just more interesting traits.
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Speaker 3: Okay, fair point. I see both sides.
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Speaker 1: And this is the first time I have ever been
18:22
Speaker 1: accused of being a bully.
18:24
Speaker 4: I'm five four.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't really happen too often where people ask that
18:29
Speaker 1: or people call me a bully.
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Speaker 6: Exciting.
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Speaker 5: Listen, I saw you, Ken, I saw you at the
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Speaker 5: All Star break. You are you can be a bully.
18:37
Speaker 5: You could be a bully, and I like it. I
18:39
Speaker 5: like that side of you. You're standing up taller now
18:41
Speaker 5: that you feel like a bully.
18:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, except he doesn't agree with you, so good. Try
18:45
Speaker 2: our two six foot billion catchers picking on me. But
18:48
Speaker 2: I can take him. Thank you, Ken, have a great weekend.
18:51
Speaker 2: We'll catch you on Fair Territory on Monday.
18:53
Speaker 4: Thanks guys.
18:55
Speaker 2: That's Ken Rosenthal on Fair Territory Monday and Thursday.
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Speaker 5: Uh.
18:59
Speaker 2: Next week is big, obviously, it's the week before trade
19:02
Speaker 2: deadline coverage fires up, and we're gonna have a longer
19:05
Speaker 2: show during the trade deadline day. Of course it'll be
19:08
Speaker 2: I think one to six, but Fair Territory part of
19:10
Speaker 2: the FT Network Live Monday morning, Ken recapping the weekend
19:14
Speaker 2: and going over whatever trade chatter arises. Popcorner, let's pizzle,
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19:29
Speaker 3: We'll talk about that later.
19:31
Speaker 2: Jim Bowden wrote this article yesterday should MLB move the
19:34
Speaker 2: trade deadline? Why pushing it to mid August makes sense?
19:38
Speaker 2: And he's got Zach's on the record talking about it.
19:42
Speaker 2: He asked Dave Dombrowski, legendary baseball executive. His answer quote,
19:48
Speaker 2: I think it's a good idea, So he's essentially in
19:51
Speaker 2: favor of moving it.
19:52
Speaker 3: Back, simple and right to the point.
19:54
Speaker 2: He asked John Mazzaylock, longtime executive in the sport, very
19:58
Speaker 2: successful with the Cardinals from a years and he said, quote,
20:01
Speaker 2: I think it's worth the conversation. Boden writes about how
20:05
Speaker 2: the draft has pushed back the conversations between executives because
20:10
Speaker 2: they focus on the draft for a while. We also
20:13
Speaker 2: have a ton of injuries in August and you can't
20:16
Speaker 2: do anything about them anymore besides waiver pickups, which did
20:19
Speaker 2: create the dump deadline a couple of years back with
20:21
Speaker 2: the Angels, getting rid of all those players, but that's
20:24
Speaker 2: not the norm. And I think the most important part
20:27
Speaker 2: for the marketing Sidecrats was how he said a later
20:29
Speaker 2: deadline would help the sports visibility because it would shine
20:32
Speaker 2: a light on MLB more than ever before for the
20:34
Speaker 2: first two weeks of August, when many people shift their
20:37
Speaker 2: attention to NFL training camps and exhibition games.
20:40
Speaker 3: He's got a great point there.
20:42
Speaker 2: MLB owns July, but there shouldn't be a ton of
20:47
Speaker 2: competition yet in August when there aren't real NFL games.
20:51
Speaker 2: This would keep the narrative going online. Audience loves trade talk.
20:56
Speaker 2: I'm part of that, right. I'm a fan that loves podcast,
21:00
Speaker 2: YouTube TV. I can't get enough of the trade talk.
21:03
Speaker 2: That's me and I'm looking for that. I'm searching for that,
21:06
Speaker 2: so are many other fans. I want to know what's next,
21:08
Speaker 2: who is my team trading for, or who's being traded
21:10
Speaker 2: in the league. Keep that conversation going another two weeks.
21:14
Speaker 3: I would say.
21:15
Speaker 2: The only downside is that some teams might say it's
21:19
Speaker 2: not long enough and I'm going to shave some of
21:22
Speaker 2: what I'm giving you off the return, and I say
21:26
Speaker 2: I don't care as long as we get the deal done,
21:28
Speaker 2: I don't care if the prospect package isn't as good.
21:31
Speaker 2: The same players are going to move, but you'll get
21:33
Speaker 2: more players in the pool because more teams will be
21:35
Speaker 2: out of it.
21:36
Speaker 5: But then they're not going to move them. I think
21:37
Speaker 5: it's going to be the adverse, Like teams are going
21:39
Speaker 5: to be like, oh, I'll take a compic yeah, Like
21:43
Speaker 5: they're not. They're not because we've already devalued the player,
21:49
Speaker 5: like the I mean by two weeks, but that's two
21:53
Speaker 5: weeks less of a chance that somebody, the owners or
21:58
Speaker 5: the owners and the teams want this because then they
22:01
Speaker 5: can tell are we in it or are we out
22:03
Speaker 5: of it? Now they're like, I'm not sure I could
22:05
Speaker 5: lose my job because I think we're out of it,
22:07
Speaker 5: and then we're back in it. So it's creating more
22:09
Speaker 5: certainty for them and less value for the You want
22:13
Speaker 5: to go to a team that you're going to play
22:15
Speaker 5: an extra month and try to win a World Series
22:17
Speaker 5: with for two months or a month and.
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Speaker 3: A half, I don't think it makes a difference. I
22:22
Speaker 3: think it.
22:22
Speaker 5: Makes a huge difference. They're going to take what is
22:25
Speaker 5: that seventy at bats away from a Juhenniosuarez on the
22:31
Speaker 5: on the Yankees, on the Tigers. That's huge to me
22:35
Speaker 5: if you are a team aspiring to be a winning team,
22:38
Speaker 5: and we have less teams that really aspire to win
22:41
Speaker 5: that we do teams that want to win, you want
22:45
Speaker 5: to get this done. So to me, if if they're
22:48
Speaker 5: gonna move it, I would be in favor of an
22:50
Speaker 5: earlier deadline that gives them, you know, maybe you get
22:55
Speaker 5: some type of compensation for the teams that actually want
22:58
Speaker 5: to win and they're like, hey, halfway through the season,
23:00
Speaker 5: So June fifteenth, there's some type of deadline, because we
23:03
Speaker 5: want to move the other deadline back to August.
23:06
Speaker 3: So two deadlines again, two.
23:07
Speaker 5: Deadlines again, because the second one helps teams make that
23:11
Speaker 5: change the first one. The Rockies knew they were should
23:15
Speaker 5: be selling in that early one. The crappy teams you
23:18
Speaker 5: don't care about winning, Hey, you know what, you don't
23:21
Speaker 5: care about winning? Will incentivize you to trade ex players
23:25
Speaker 5: with years of service. By June fifteenth, you get something back,
23:30
Speaker 5: whatever the currency that they want, right whatever currency they want,
23:33
Speaker 5: a third round pick, and then you have the regular
23:37
Speaker 5: deadline moved back to mid August. If that's what they want.
23:41
Speaker 5: I don't like it any later with it just being one.
23:44
Speaker 3: That's fine.
23:45
Speaker 2: I just think two weeks later will create more attention,
23:49
Speaker 2: more action, and if you're worried about the return. The
23:52
Speaker 2: one other thing you might have to figure out down
23:54
Speaker 2: the road is getting rid of the qualifying offer, which
23:57
Speaker 2: is not actually crazy. The league did offer to give
24:00
Speaker 2: that up, and then they wanted the international draft. They
24:03
Speaker 2: didn't come up with it, but the qualifying offer is annoying.
24:06
Speaker 2: I think that eventually will go away anyway. I think
24:09
Speaker 2: it'll eventually go away completely, And if it does.
24:11
Speaker 5: It's gonna sound like something different.
24:13
Speaker 2: And you're a team and you have a guy and
24:15
Speaker 2: you let him go till the end of the contract
24:18
Speaker 2: and he just leaves, you get nothing, and that's how
24:20
Speaker 2: it should be because that forces you again to get something
24:23
Speaker 2: for that player. And because that even happens right now,
24:25
Speaker 2: sometimes the team will be like, hey, the best prospect
24:28
Speaker 2: I'm being offered, I don't think is as good as
24:30
Speaker 2: the thirty fifth pick which I'll get.
24:32
Speaker 3: For this guy leaving, so I'll just keep him. I'm
24:34
Speaker 3: trying to think of things that will create more action
24:37
Speaker 3: and activity.
24:38
Speaker 6: More buzz too.
24:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like it later.
24:40
Speaker 6: I like it. There's a couple of things. I mean,
24:43
Speaker 6: the draft should be a different time. All Stars should
24:46
Speaker 6: be a whole week long, so everybody that gets picked
24:50
Speaker 6: start the gat him on the Friday or Saturday. So
24:52
Speaker 6: now all of a sudden, you know, you can go home.
24:54
Speaker 6: But I feel like guys that get picked, they don't play.
24:57
Speaker 6: You want to see all these guys play, try it out.
24:59
Speaker 6: I mean, what's the worst that can happen? But yeah,
25:01
Speaker 6: I do like I do like the trades to be
25:04
Speaker 6: a little bit closer to the September start because if
25:08
Speaker 6: an injury does happen, or if you're going into you know,
25:12
Speaker 6: you're down two or three games and you need a
25:14
Speaker 6: fifth starter like Boom and other teams are going to
25:17
Speaker 6: get better too because they're gonna get rid of some
25:18
Speaker 6: of their best players, so or prospects at least. So
25:22
Speaker 6: I'm I'm I'm all in for that, Scott, thank you.
25:24
Speaker 5: My thing with it? If you're going to move it back,
25:28
Speaker 5: is that just drumming up more publicity hubbub about the
25:32
Speaker 5: trade deadline?
25:33
Speaker 3: Yes?
25:34
Speaker 5: Or is it making a better product on the field,
25:37
Speaker 5: Because Ryan McMahon playing for the Rockies does not make
25:40
Speaker 5: a better product on the field, and you're Henningosuarez playing
25:43
Speaker 5: for the Diamondbacks right now is not a better product.
25:47
Speaker 5: The best players on the best teams that want to
25:51
Speaker 5: win or I know the Braves want to win, but
25:53
Speaker 5: they're not in a winning window right now, putting those
25:56
Speaker 5: players on those teams. Think about the Dominican Republic. Your
25:59
Speaker 5: team is out, you get drafted to the teams that
26:02
Speaker 5: are in the playoffs, like so, they have the best players.
26:05
Speaker 5: You want the best players on the field to make
26:07
Speaker 5: the teams the best, to make that product the best
26:10
Speaker 5: that's out there.
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Speaker 2: You will have more trades if you push it back
26:13
Speaker 2: two weeks because there will be a few other teams
26:16
Speaker 2: that say, am tiptoeing, Okay, we just lost seven out
26:20
Speaker 2: of ten. Our percentage chance went down even more. You
26:22
Speaker 2: will have a couple more teams that fall out of it.
26:25
Speaker 2: You will occasionally have a big injury in those two
26:27
Speaker 2: weeks where its.
26:28
Speaker 3: Team gets desperate too yeah, and they're like, hey, I
26:30
Speaker 3: gotta make this move. I just lost my third basement.
26:32
Speaker 3: Just had the August thirty first one back, the waiver one.
26:35
Speaker 5: Yes, it was so asinine in my in my opinion
26:39
Speaker 5: with that.
26:40
Speaker 3: One too, but I just want more in August. August
26:43
Speaker 3: gets slow for no reason.
26:45
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26:49
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