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O'Brien & Doug S5:E11 [January 27, 2022 Over & Underrated Rock Guitarists] · O'Brien & Doug

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SPEAKER_02: You find a marker?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a good whoa! Yeah, baby.
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SPEAKER_02: Woo! That's uh that's what they call a sharpie.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a sharpie.
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SPEAKER_07: That's a sharpie and a half.
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SPEAKER_07: This should this should have like an FDA warning on it or something.
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SPEAKER_07: Gosh, Doug should not use this card.
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SPEAKER_02: Go ahead, sniff it again.
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SPEAKER_02: The O'Brien and Doug podcast is brought to you in part by MojurMultimedia.com.
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SPEAKER_02: KMH Music impressed Kyle Maine, the rich brother of Westfield Maine.
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SPEAKER_02: Doug's Cush 11.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm glad you came because I think you're gonna like it.
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SPEAKER_08: Yo yo best.
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SPEAKER_07: Why don't you have the Facebook with your little friend?
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SPEAKER_02: Welcome to the old Brian and Doug podcast, Del O'Brien.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm a sharpie.
1:06
SPEAKER_07: How you doing, man?
1:07
SPEAKER_07: I'm high as a kite.
1:09
SPEAKER_07: I bet you are.
1:11
SPEAKER_02: I can taste it.
1:13
SPEAKER_02: It's a it's a it's a uh potent, it's palpable.
1:16
SPEAKER_02: Palpable.
1:17
SPEAKER_02: Um it is what, season five, episode eleven?
1:20
SPEAKER_02: Let me just let's just start off by saying no, we don't have a guest.
1:24
SPEAKER_02: Uh because well, we don't have a showrunner, and by that I mean we don't have someone booking guests.
1:30
SPEAKER_02: And by that we mean we don't have an adult.
1:32
SPEAKER_02: Doug, we have no adult supervision.
1:34
SPEAKER_02: You and I work for a living.
1:35
SPEAKER_02: Uh and we get busy, and I got five kids, well, three at home, and um, you know, I mean it's just five minus two is three.
1:43
SPEAKER_02: Right.
1:44
SPEAKER_02: Uh still alive, man.
1:46
SPEAKER_02: So uh I'm not making excuses.
1:47
SPEAKER_02: Yes, I am.
1:48
SPEAKER_02: I'm absolutely making excuses.
1:50
SPEAKER_07: Uh but it's our podcast, so we'll do what we want.
1:52
SPEAKER_07: Damn straight.
1:53
SPEAKER_07: So um if you're expecting a guest, so sorry.
1:56
SPEAKER_02: We do want to get uh our our our next guest that we're hoping to get on soon is uh Joel Hall, who is um member of our band Star City Syndicate, and uh he's a big wig though, he's uh he's an educator and uh I mean they're they're busy.
2:12
SPEAKER_02: I know I'm in education.
2:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and um there's just a lot going on, and so to to nail him down and and trying to get him to to uh loosen up and have a little fun uh on the microphone um is hard.
2:24
SPEAKER_02: It is.
2:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:25
SPEAKER_02: But you know, yeah, but we'll get him.
2:27
SPEAKER_02: And we'll get there's you know, we got uh some other ideas for guests too, and we'll we'll we'll get them.
2:31
SPEAKER_02: It's just you know, we have to do it.
2:34
SPEAKER_07: We just gotta get to it.
2:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:37
SPEAKER_02: Um at me.
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SPEAKER_02: So yesterday was number four's birthday.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: Twelve years old.
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SPEAKER_07: That's that means our album is 12 years old.
2:47
SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's right, because he was born when we were.
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SPEAKER_07: He was born while we were making the album.
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SPEAKER_07: Or right after the album, after we did the main bulk of the album.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: Recorded it.
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SPEAKER_07: It was recorded like a week later.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because I was down there and she was she was She was very pregnant.
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SPEAKER_02: Very pregnant.
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SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
3:01
SPEAKER_07: You were like you, I think I think a lot of the time you were on pins and needles because we were there for three straight days.
3:07
SPEAKER_07: Right.
3:08
SPEAKER_07: And you know, cell phone technology was there, but it was there, but it was mediocre at best.
3:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
3:17
SPEAKER_07: You know.
3:18
SPEAKER_07: But you were you were attached to yours because you were I remember you kept looking at it.
3:21
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
3:21
SPEAKER_07: You were like every five minutes you were looking at your phone.
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SPEAKER_02: Which I think is why I and I'm not gonna say I'm not happy with the album because I think Matt Banker did a fantastic job with the album.
3:30
SPEAKER_02: With the with what he had to work with.
3:32
SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah.
3:32
SPEAKER_02: I mean, if had we had more time and had my mind been uh more focused, I think we could have done some cool things and and tried some different things.
3:43
SPEAKER_02: Oh, we did some cool things.
3:44
SPEAKER_02: We did do some cool things.
3:45
SPEAKER_02: But I mean, like when I listen to it now, I l I love it, but I think we could have done some things different.
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SPEAKER_02: Um and it it may have made it better, it may not may not have worked, but we would have had the opportunity to try them.
3:58
SPEAKER_02: But my I wasn't there.
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SPEAKER_02: My my mind was not there.
4:01
SPEAKER_02: It was it was home.
4:03
SPEAKER_02: But that's okay.
4:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's uh not a property.
4:05
SPEAKER_07: It was just it was just a timing thing, isn't it?
4:06
SPEAKER_07: It was his home.
4:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
4:08
SPEAKER_02: So so yeah, he's 12.
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SPEAKER_02: We had his party last night.
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SPEAKER_02: Um yesterday morning, I got him up for his shower uh for school, uh, like I do every morning.
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SPEAKER_02: And uh he got up and he got in the shower and he got out, and he's walking back to his bedroom, and he's looking at me, and I said, uh cold was it was the water cold?
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SPEAKER_02: No.
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SPEAKER_02: And he's just looking at me and I'm just like, okay, well, go get dressed.
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SPEAKER_02: And he goes, You know it's my birthday, right?
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SPEAKER_02: And I said, Yes, happy birthday and I completely forgot.
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SPEAKER_07: I didn't forget that it was his birthday.
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SPEAKER_07: So it was almost a uh 16 candles situation.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: I didn't forget it was his birthday because like if his birthday's on a Monday, we normally have his party on a Sunday night.
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SPEAKER_02: And this and that's for all of the kids.
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SPEAKER_02: If their birthday ends up on a Friday or on a Monday, we usually have it on a Sunday night because more of the family can get together for the party.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, but um my other kid had uh basketball games uh about an hour away uh on Sunday, and so we we traveled down there uh for that, and so we didn't have a party.
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SPEAKER_02: So we had the party on his birthday, but so I woke up Monday morning just thinking it was Monday.
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SPEAKER_02: Another day, another day, and completely forgot to wish him a happy birthday.
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SPEAKER_02: Because normally we'd go be like we I'd go wake him up and I'd be like, Happy birthday, dude, you know, or whatever.
5:40
SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: And it didn't happen because I completely left.
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SPEAKER_07: Well, the only thing left for him to do was to like you know sulk off camera and be like, I can't believe they forgot my effing birthday.
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SPEAKER_07: Alamonly Wingball.
5:57
SPEAKER_02: Right, right, right.
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SPEAKER_02: And and again, I I didn't uh no, I did.
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SPEAKER_02: I I didn't forget it was his birthday because I knew we were gonna have a party, but I forgot to wish him a happy birthday.
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SPEAKER_02: Just the way he was looking at me, just kind of staring at me.
6:10
SPEAKER_02: And I'm talking to him and he's just looking at me.
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SPEAKER_02: He's like, you know it's my birthday, right?
6:16
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, yes.
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SPEAKER_02: He's 12, he's not stupid.
6:19
SPEAKER_02: Of course, my wife, as soon as she gets up, that's the first thing she does.
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SPEAKER_02: Happy birthday!
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SPEAKER_07: You know, because you know, he came out of her.
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SPEAKER_07: She's gonna remember something like that.
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SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_02: Very true.
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SPEAKER_02: Um and it was it was a good night.
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SPEAKER_02: It was a good night, and he he got some pretty cool things.
6:37
SPEAKER_02: And uh, one of the things I got him was a forty dollar gift certificate to Lowe's because that kid Oh yeah, he's the builder.
6:43
SPEAKER_02: He's the builder.
6:44
SPEAKER_02: He's not only the builder, but he is um just the hands-on guy.
6:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
6:50
SPEAKER_02: And he wants to have his own like uh lawn maintenance thing at this age.
6:56
SPEAKER_02: You know, he wants he's like, Can you give me a zero turn?
6:58
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, no problem, kid.
6:59
SPEAKER_02: I'll get you a zero turn.
7:00
SPEAKER_07: Let me write you a check.
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SPEAKER_07: Just go down a lows and get yourself a little bit.
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SPEAKER_07: He's like, I'm gonna start my that's that's what that uh gift card for down payment.
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SPEAKER_06: That'll be nice.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we'll see you in 40 years.
7:15
SPEAKER_02: I'm not kidding you, though.
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SPEAKER_02: He goes on YouTube and he looks at like lawn care videos.
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SPEAKER_02: And look, see, Dad, this is uh this is a uh salt spreader that that's on the back of the truck, and that's that's great, bud.
7:27
SPEAKER_02: What?
7:28
SPEAKER_07: But you know what?
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SPEAKER_07: He's probably gonna make more money than all your other kids put together.
7:33
SPEAKER_02: I absolutely agree.
7:34
SPEAKER_02: I absolutely agree.
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SPEAKER_07: Because they're gonna be well, actually, you're two in college right now are they don't have any student loans.
7:41
SPEAKER_02: Right, no.
7:42
SPEAKER_02: They're all scholarships.
7:43
SPEAKER_02: We're lucky that way.
7:44
SPEAKER_02: So um and he he well I uh somebody was telling I was talking to oh, you know who I was talking to?
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SPEAKER_02: Micro.
7:52
SPEAKER_02: No, not Micro, but my this is along those lines.
7:54
SPEAKER_02: Right.
7:54
SPEAKER_02: Bob.
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SPEAKER_02: I was talking to Bob uh on on uh Facebook Messenger.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh no.
8:01
SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
8:02
SPEAKER_02: Uh his son, Jake, I don't know if you knew this or not, uh dropped out of school.
8:07
SPEAKER_02: I did not know that.
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SPEAKER_02: Um he was going to, I think, um Wasn't he going to uh Southern Maine.
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SPEAKER_02: Southern Maine Union uh something for HVAC and um uh I can't remember, and I'm not gonna say it because I'm gonna get it wrong.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh and I'm probably I'm paraphrasing uh what Bob said, but the gist of it is he is all his classes down there are online, and so he sits in his dorm room and does online classes and is not getting anything from it.
8:40
SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah.
8:41
SPEAKER_02: When he's not doing that, he is working uh like um an apprenticeship, you know, or he's looking for an apprenticeship.
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SPEAKER_02: He's working, uh doing what he's going to school for.
8:53
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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SPEAKER_07: And so he's probably learning more out of that.
8:56
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
8:56
SPEAKER_02: So he didn't see the point in spending the money uh to to go there when he could get the experience and and and get um you have to get like a uh towards a license.
9:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
9:08
SPEAKER_07: Like a um Well, it's like being an electrician or plumbers, and you gotta be licensed and stuff like that.
9:13
SPEAKER_02: And he can do that without going to school.
9:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_07: If I mean it's just the experience, you know, and well if he's doing it all online, why can't he just go on YouTube and Exactly?
9:21
SPEAKER_02: So he's so Bob said that he I think he's uh and I think he's dropped out of school.
9:28
SPEAKER_02: Um but he's apprenticing, being he's an apprentice uh for this um electrician or something.
9:34
SPEAKER_02: I I don't know.
9:35
SPEAKER_02: And I told him, I said, dude, he is gonna be set.
9:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Because the trades is where it's at.
9:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
9:44
SPEAKER_02: Um you always need 'em.
9:46
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
9:47
SPEAKER_02: Uh whether it's plumber, whether it's HVAC, whether it's electrician.
9:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
9:52
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you always need them and they're always hard to find.
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SPEAKER_07: Yeah, exactly.
9:56
SPEAKER_02: Up here, I think we have one, maybe two plumbers, and they're nonstop.
10:01
SPEAKER_02: They're going nonstop.
10:02
SPEAKER_07: And they're making big bucks.
10:04
SPEAKER_02: Yes, they are.
10:04
SPEAKER_02: And they're very, very successful.
10:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
10:07
SPEAKER_02: Um, so I commended them.
10:08
SPEAKER_02: I said, I think that's the right decision.
10:10
SPEAKER_07: Absolutely, man.
10:11
SPEAKER_07: I mean, if you're just sitting in your dorm room watching, you know, doing online classes, screw it, man.
10:17
SPEAKER_07: Right drop out, right?
10:18
SPEAKER_07: Save that money, put it towards something else.
10:20
SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: Why why do online classes and pay for them when you can learn on YouTube or you can learn with a apprenticeship, so go learn there, man.
10:30
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
10:30
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
10:31
SPEAKER_07: That's smart.
10:31
SPEAKER_07: Yep, I think instead of blowing thousands and thousands of dollars to sit in a dorm room.
10:36
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
10:36
SPEAKER_02: And I I I told him, I said, I think that's the right decision, and he's gonna be a lot happier and and and learn a lot more, probably.
10:42
SPEAKER_07: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
10:43
SPEAKER_02: And a lot quicker.
10:44
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
10:44
SPEAKER_02: So uh so yeah, uh, so G Finn is gonna be one of those guys.
10:48
SPEAKER_02: I get it.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh he's Finn is smart you know, in a lot of ways, but he excels at taking things apart, putting them, find out how they work, putting them back together, uh, basically because he can't keep his hands off anything.
11:01
SPEAKER_02: Because I mean, I'll get I'll get something new and he'll go up and start playing with them.
11:04
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, don't touch that! Because eight eight times out of ten, he'll break it.
11:09
unknown: Sure.
11:10
SPEAKER_07: That's how you learn, man.
11:11
SPEAKER_07: Not that not that.
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unknown: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: But uh yeah, so he's 12, which just blows my mind.
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SPEAKER_02: Next birthday is my daughter, she'll be eight.
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SPEAKER_07: Yep, that's in April.
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SPEAKER_02: Which is still I can't believe I have a an almost 22-year-old kid.
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SPEAKER_02: It's just it's mind-blowing to me.
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SPEAKER_02: Because I'm only 12 myself.
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SPEAKER_02: Mentally.
11:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
11:36
SPEAKER_02: Um speaking of kids, so I work with third, fourth, and fifth graders in in the school the elementary school here in town.
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SPEAKER_02: And uh I just had to share this with you because some of the things that these kids come up with, and some of the things that they say just make me laugh, and I have to try not to laugh sometimes.
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SPEAKER_02: Other times I can't help myself and I don't care.
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SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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SPEAKER_02: You know.
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SPEAKER_02: There's this one kid, I was in a third grade class, and she's a how can I describe her?
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SPEAKER_02: She's she's a really bright kid.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, she's a little um eccentric.
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SPEAKER_02: Um whereas, you know, um a lot of the third grade girls um bring in stuffed animals and stuff like that.
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SPEAKER_02: She'll she wears like um she'll bring in I don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: But they'll wear they'll wear uh striped shirts, she'll wear a karate kid shirt.
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SPEAKER_02: Correct.
12:37
SPEAKER_02: Right?
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SPEAKER_02: She'll they'll bring in, you know, a stuffed animal and she'll bring in, I don't know, rocks.
12:43
SPEAKER_02: You know.
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SPEAKER_02: Um but she's just a little but sh she's great, okay?
12:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
12:48
SPEAKER_02: So she looks up at me, because we're working on math, and I I'm walking and I'm looking at all the work that the kids are doing and checking it and stuff, and and I and she looks up at me, she's look, look, I got it done.
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SPEAKER_02: So I looked at it and it was all right, and I said, That's awesome.
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SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
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SPEAKER_02: Give me a fist bump on that.
13:07
SPEAKER_02: So she gives me a fist bump, and then she's just is staring at me.
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SPEAKER_02: She's looking up at me and she's staring at me, and just because she's got a mask on.
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SPEAKER_02: I can't see her face, all I can see is her eyes.
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SPEAKER_02: So I gave her a fist bump, right?
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SPEAKER_02: I congratulated her, and she just looks at me and she goes, I can knock out my sister with one punch.
13:27
SPEAKER_02: And I had to physically stand back a little bit and and laugh.
13:37
SPEAKER_02: But I was like, good for you.
13:39
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: Congratulations.
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SPEAKER_02: That's good to know.
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SPEAKER_07: Not explaining it's a karate kid shirt, right?
13:46
SPEAKER_02: Um so uh not to pivot, but we're going to.
13:51
SPEAKER_02: Pivot! Pivot! Pivot! Pivot! Shut, shut, shut, shut up! Friends quote.
13:58
SPEAKER_02: Um, I want to talk about um I was thinking about what we could talk about tonight, and what came to me was I was I think I was listening, I've been listening to a lot of blues this week, and uh an Eric Clapton song came on.
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SPEAKER_02: And you know how I love Eric Clapton.
14:16
SPEAKER_02: I do.
14:17
SPEAKER_06: And why don't you marry him?
14:19
SPEAKER_06: Mm-hmm.
14:21
SPEAKER_02: And a lot of people love Eric Clapton and his his music, uh his guitar playing in per in particular.
14:30
SPEAKER_02: Um Eddie Van Halen said something one time.
14:35
SPEAKER_02: Okay, we're good.
14:36
SPEAKER_02: You need a quick hit of the Sharpie.
14:40
SPEAKER_02: That's good Sharpie.
14:42
SPEAKER_02: All right.
14:42
SPEAKER_02: So Eddie Van Halen said one time that when Clapton was in Cream, he idolized him.
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SPEAKER_02: And then he stopped being interested in Clapton after he he left Cream and when he was even after well, probably after Derek and the Dominoes, he just lost interest in Eric Clapton because he didn't do anything like that had as much fire as he had with Cream.
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SPEAKER_02: And so I was thinking about it and I was like Yeah, you know what?
15:16
SPEAKER_02: Clapton is uh amazing and legendary and a lot better guitar player than I'll ever be, probably, but he hasn't progressed much.
15:32
SPEAKER_07: No, you know what I mean?
15:33
SPEAKER_02: He does the same thing.
15:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he has a thing, he has a a style, he has a a signature sound.
15:39
SPEAKER_02: Um but you could kind of say the same about Eddie.
15:42
SPEAKER_02: I was just gonna say the same thing.
15:43
SPEAKER_02: So what I would th talk about, I thought we would talk about is um the most uh overrated guitar players, like maybe like three or four five overrated guitar players, and then not to be uh uh such a fuddy duddy, uh the most underrated um guitar players.
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SPEAKER_07: Okay.
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SPEAKER_07: Three, four, maybe five.
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SPEAKER_07: What part of that's not supposed to make you sound like a fuddy duddy?
16:05
SPEAKER_02: Um I wanted to be positive.
16:08
SPEAKER_02: Because I think over I think when you say, Oh, they're overrated, I think it's like, you know, shut up.
16:14
SPEAKER_02: Let them be overrated.
16:15
SPEAKER_06: Oh, okay.
16:15
SPEAKER_02: I see what you're saying, fuddy duddy.
16:17
SPEAKER_06: I thought you were like gonna be like big moy.
16:20
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
16:21
SPEAKER_02: Be and and keep in mind the people that I and I actually made a list before you got here, and uh, so I'm at an advantage over you.
16:28
SPEAKER_02: Um you are anyway.
16:30
SPEAKER_02: But um the people that I find overrated, I love.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh I'm I'm I'm not taking anything away from my admiration for them and their playing and everything and and the impact that they've had on um music.
16:43
SPEAKER_02: And I should say, I all these guitar players are rock players.
16:47
SPEAKER_02: Uh we're not doing country guitar because the I mean I could make a list there as well.
16:51
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
16:51
SPEAKER_02: But uh but rock players.
16:54
SPEAKER_02: Um and I thought I would throw it to you.
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SPEAKER_02: Um so you can go either overrated or underrated.
17:03
SPEAKER_02: What's the first guitar player that comes to mind when you think either overrated or underrated?
17:07
SPEAKER_07: Well, first underrated one I think of is Ray Parker Jr.
17:10
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm glad you went there.
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SPEAKER_02: That was he wasn't on my list, but he is incredibly Yeah, he is.
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SPEAKER_07: I mean, I don't I I don't think anybody really understands how great a guitar player Ray Parker Jr.
17:23
SPEAKER_07: is.
17:23
SPEAKER_02: When you think of Ray Parker Jr., you think of Ghostbusters.
17:25
SPEAKER_02: Ghostbusters, so and you think of uh uh the uh his band Radio, right?
17:30
SPEAKER_02: Something like that, yeah.
17:31
SPEAKER_02: And uh the that song Other The Other Woman, I'm in Love with the Other Woman.
17:37
SPEAKER_02: You think of songs like that.
17:38
SPEAKER_02: Ray Parker Jr.
17:39
SPEAKER_02: was a session player.
17:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
17:41
SPEAKER_02: And maybe on a lot of songs that you didn't know he was on.
17:44
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
17:45
SPEAKER_02: Uh and he's an amazing funky ass guitar player.
17:49
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
17:49
SPEAKER_07: He does a lot of jazz, he does a lot of you know, funk, he does you know, he does it all, man.
17:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
17:54
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
17:54
SPEAKER_07: So um he's definitely I he we he would for when you say underrated guitar player, I always think Ray Parker Jr.
18:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, perfect.
18:01
SPEAKER_02: Perfect, and that's what I'm talking about.
18:03
SPEAKER_02: Um, Ray Parker Jr., I I I would advise you if you are interested, if you're a guitar player and you're listening and you don't didn't know that Ray Parker Jr.
18:10
SPEAKER_02: even played guitar, I would Google um what songs Ray Parker Jr.
18:15
SPEAKER_02: is on, and maybe you'd see what we're talking about.
18:18
SPEAKER_07: I'm you know that song by Leo Sayer.
18:20
SPEAKER_07: Uh uh You made me feel like dancing.
18:24
SPEAKER_07: I want to dance in that.
18:25
SPEAKER_07: Ray Parker Jr.
18:26
SPEAKER_07: wrote that song.
18:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well he's uh he's also a fantastic songwriter.
18:30
SPEAKER_07: He wrote that song.
18:32
SPEAKER_07: He thought that was gonna be the song that was gonna break, you know, break him out of the session work.
18:37
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
18:37
SPEAKER_07: And then Leo they gave it to Leo Sayer.
18:39
SPEAKER_02: Well, well, he didn't he do a version of it?
18:41
SPEAKER_07: He might have, but you know, it was already you know it was already too late by that.
18:45
SPEAKER_02: But but you know, then the Ghostbusters thing happened and the rest is and settled out of court with Huey Lewis, but you know, still um because Ghostbusters ha was very similar to I Want a New Drug.
18:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
18:58
SPEAKER_02: But similar but different.
19:00
SPEAKER_02: I mean it was similar different.
19:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
19:02
SPEAKER_02: When I when I hear Ghostbusters, I don't think of I Want a New Drug.
19:06
SPEAKER_02: I don't either.
19:07
SPEAKER_02: When I hear I want a new drug, I don't think of Ghostbusters.
19:09
SPEAKER_02: However, when we did play I Want a New Drug, we put Ghostbusters.
19:13
SPEAKER_07: We did put Ghostbusters in the yeah, and so it does it does fit.
19:17
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so we're going underrated.
19:18
SPEAKER_02: Oh, you wrote down stuff.
19:20
SPEAKER_02: I told you I did.
19:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you did.
19:21
SPEAKER_02: Actually, I'm gonna go overrated.
19:22
SPEAKER_02: Okay, go ahead.
19:22
SPEAKER_02: And I'm gonna uh say I start I'll start with Eric Clapton.
19:25
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
19:25
SPEAKER_02: Because uh he was the first one I talked about.
19:28
SPEAKER_02: Because Eric Clapton has and and and I'll try and sum it up.
19:33
SPEAKER_02: Uh he has a style uh all his own.
19:35
SPEAKER_02: You know it's Clapton when he's playing.
19:37
SPEAKER_02: He never hits a wrong note.
19:40
SPEAKER_07: That's why they call him slow hands.
19:42
SPEAKER_02: Right.
19:42
SPEAKER_02: Uh and and you know, in the 60s, he was the with the writing on the wall was Clapton as God, you know, when he was with the yardbirds and and cream and everything.
19:51
SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's when he had the f the youthful passion and fire for it.
19:55
SPEAKER_02: Not that he doesn't now.
19:56
SPEAKER_02: Actually, he probably would tell you he doesn't now.
19:59
SPEAKER_02: But um Well he's 500 years old.
20:02
SPEAKER_02: 75, 74 or 50.
20:06
SPEAKER_02: Um but he hasn't really done anything different.
20:12
SPEAKER_02: Everything he's done has been great, but he hasn't um he may have dabbled in other styles of music because I think he's done some emo and some house music.
20:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
20:26
SPEAKER_02: He's teamed up with people and he's done that.
20:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
20:28
SPEAKER_02: But you know it's Eric Clafton.
20:29
SPEAKER_02: Right.
20:29
SPEAKER_02: You know, you know when he what he plays.
20:31
SPEAKER_02: Uh so I for that reason, and I and I love Clafton, he's in my top five of my favorite guitar players.
20:38
SPEAKER_02: Um but I would say he's overrated.
20:40
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
20:41
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
20:41
SPEAKER_02: So you can go either overrated or I'm going underrated.
20:44
SPEAKER_07: Okay.
20:44
SPEAKER_07: Uh this is not gonna come as a surprise, but Alex Lifeson.
20:48
SPEAKER_07: He was He's underrated.
20:49
SPEAKER_02: He was on my list.
20:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
20:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was on my list.
20:51
SPEAKER_07: I don't think he gets the credit uh he deserves for the stuff he's done with Rush.
20:56
SPEAKER_02: I completely agree.
20:57
SPEAKER_02: I can have some.
20:59
SPEAKER_02: Go ahead.
20:59
SPEAKER_07: No, I forgot what I was gonna say.
21:01
SPEAKER_02: Have you heard his new stuff?
21:02
SPEAKER_02: No.
21:03
SPEAKER_02: Um, it's different.
21:04
SPEAKER_02: He's got a new band, um, and it's very industrial.
21:08
SPEAKER_02: Uh it's good.
21:10
SPEAKER_02: Uh it's just not what you'd expect, I don't think, from somebody who was in Rush.
21:15
SPEAKER_02: Maybe it is what you would expect, actually.
21:17
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, but I mean, the thing with Rush is you never knew what to expect.
21:20
SPEAKER_02: Right.
21:21
SPEAKER_07: You know, because you never knew what they were gonna do.
21:23
SPEAKER_02: Right.
21:23
SPEAKER_07: But he was overshadowed by, you know, Neil Peart and Getty over all those years.
21:28
SPEAKER_07: I don't think anybody really realized, you know, all the great riffs and stuff they you know.
21:33
SPEAKER_07: And it was that he wrote.
21:35
SPEAKER_02: And it was all different.
21:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
21:37
SPEAKER_02: A rush song is like uh is is incredibly orchestrated.
21:40
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
21:41
SPEAKER_02: You know, and different time signatures and just along with um riffs, there's like completely different chord structures, and I mean it was Oh yeah.
21:53
SPEAKER_07: It's not it's not your it's not your typical uh No.
21:56
SPEAKER_07: It's not your it's not your guns and roses.
21:59
SPEAKER_02: I would wholeheartedly Agree with Alex Lifeson.
22:02
SPEAKER_02: Actually, I told you he was on my list of underrated guitar players, so you took one of mine, so I can't do that one.
22:07
SPEAKER_02: But I wanted to see if I could play you a little bit of Alex Lifeson's uh his new band or new project, I should say.
22:18
SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure if it's a full band.
22:20
SPEAKER_02: I haven't I haven't read on it enough.
22:23
SPEAKER_02: But his new project is called Envy of None.
22:26
SPEAKER_02: And let's see if I can give you a little taste of Liar.
23:30
SPEAKER_02: So anyway, um, like I said, not bad, just different.
23:33
SPEAKER_02: It's different, yeah.
23:34
SPEAKER_02: Um Alex Liveson completely underrated.
23:38
SPEAKER_02: I will agree with that.
23:39
SPEAKER_02: So I guess that means I'm going overrated.
23:42
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
23:42
SPEAKER_02: Um I'm gonna make a lot of enemies on this, I think.
23:46
SPEAKER_02: Uh Jimmy Page.
23:48
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
23:49
SPEAKER_02: I think Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin is an overrated guitar player.
23:53
SPEAKER_02: I don't think he's uh an overrated um like what he's done with songs, what he's done as far as a songwriter and writing riffs and arranging and producing.
24:08
SPEAKER_02: Um I think he's a genius.
24:11
SPEAKER_02: Uh I think he's a fantastic guitar player.
24:14
SPEAKER_02: But I I could never get into Jimmy Page's guitar solos or anything.
24:19
SPEAKER_02: I thought that was messy playing.
24:20
SPEAKER_07: Uh it's not you don't look at a you know, I think you get i with Zeppelin, it's all, you know, it's a hole.
24:28
SPEAKER_02: Right.
24:28
SPEAKER_07: You know.
24:29
SPEAKER_02: Maybe that's what it is.
24:30
SPEAKER_02: Maybe that's what I'm thinking of.
24:32
SPEAKER_02: Um because Yeah, that's a good way to look at it, because you can't you can appreciate a Led Zeppelin song for the song.
24:43
SPEAKER_02: Uh because you got Bonzo in there and you got John Paul Jones laying down the groove and And that's the thing.
24:50
SPEAKER_07: I mean, if we were talking about underrated bass players, John Paul Jones would be on my list.
24:55
SPEAKER_07: But I mean, if you take you if you take them all separately, all four mil members of Let's Up on separately, yeah, they do okay, but you put them together, they melded so well.
25:07
SPEAKER_07: I agree.
25:07
SPEAKER_07: You know, it just you know, yeah, when you put them all together, they're amazing.
25:12
SPEAKER_07: Yep.
25:13
SPEAKER_07: But if you put them separately, you're like, I mean, look at uh Robert Plant's solo stuff.
25:17
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
25:18
SPEAKER_07: Anybody really mean nobody's like, whoa, wow, you know, it's just you know, okay.
25:23
SPEAKER_05: Yep.
25:23
SPEAKER_07: And of course Bonzo died, so nobody knows anything about and John Paul Joe just kind of faded back into Narnia or wherever he's from.
25:32
SPEAKER_07: So, you know, because nobody ever talks about him.
25:36
SPEAKER_07: Has anybody seen him in the last 30, 40 years?
25:39
SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah, well, he was in a band with Dave Grohl.
25:41
SPEAKER_07: I know, but you know, but I'm just joking, but you know, it's true.
25:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um I guess what I mean is and and I don't want to take anything away from like the riffs that Jimmy Page came up with for Led Zeppelin because obviously those stand the test of time and those are um amazing um examples of just straight up inventive rock and roll.
26:02
SPEAKER_02: Um but I just never got into his playing like uh I think it was maybe is it is it Heartbreaker that he does a good the guitar solo?
26:13
SPEAKER_02: Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun yeah and it was just my kid could do that.
26:22
SPEAKER_07: Heck I could do that.
26:23
SPEAKER_07: Right.
26:23
SPEAKER_07: Give me your guitar.
26:25
SPEAKER_02: So I'm going Jimmy Page is is overrated, and you you take that for what it's worth.
26:30
SPEAKER_02: Um because obviously he's a legend.
26:33
SPEAKER_02: Right.
26:33
SPEAKER_02: And and when I say overrated, I just mean overrated.
26:39
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
26:40
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
26:40
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
26:41
SPEAKER_02: Underrated or overrated?
26:42
SPEAKER_07: Uh I think I think we're going underrated again.
26:46
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
26:47
SPEAKER_07: Slash.
26:49
SPEAKER_02: I had slash is overrated.
26:51
SPEAKER_02: Really?
26:51
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
26:52
SPEAKER_07: I'm thinking he's underrated.
26:53
SPEAKER_02: Okay, tell me.
26:54
SPEAKER_02: Talk to me.
26:55
SPEAKER_02: I just told you.
26:56
SPEAKER_02: He's underrated.
26:57
SPEAKER_02: Why is he underrated?
26:59
SPEAKER_07: You don't think he's like I don't think I don't think I I think when he was with Guns N' Roses, he got overshadowed by Axel, obviously.
27:08
SPEAKER_07: So I don't think anybody really paid attention.
27:12
SPEAKER_07: But when he started doing like with Velvet Revolver and then he did his uh snake pit and uh you know the stuff that he's done, you know, solo stuff where he's done, you know, like he had like you know Miles um what's his face?
27:24
SPEAKER_02: Miles Kennedy.
27:25
SPEAKER_07: Miles Kennedy and Fergie and you did those, you know, just did songs.
27:29
SPEAKER_07: Oh, you did one with Iggy Pop, which was really great.
27:31
SPEAKER_05: Yep.
27:31
SPEAKER_07: You know, he's he's I think I don't think he gets quite the credit that he deserves as a as a as a guitar player.
27:39
SPEAKER_07: Okay.
27:41
SPEAKER_07: Cool.
27:42
SPEAKER_07: But that's my opinion.
27:43
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
27:44
SPEAKER_07: Let's hear yours, stupid opinion.
27:47
SPEAKER_02: Well, again, again, so I made a list of overrated and underrated, and Slash was on my overrated, but he was not one of the ones that I was gonna talk about.
27:54
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
27:55
SPEAKER_02: He would be like an an honorable mention overrated.
27:58
SPEAKER_07: So he's not really overrated.
28:00
SPEAKER_07: Right.
28:00
SPEAKER_02: So I'm uh just like also an honorable mentioned overrated was Eddie Van Halen, because like you said earlier, yeah, Eddie did Eddie.
28:10
SPEAKER_02: And he was inventive and he was and he was um like especially in in the Hager area, he was trying new things.
28:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:18
SPEAKER_07: Um and and and just kind of taking the guitar in different But you always knew it was an Eddie Van Halen guitar.
28:26
SPEAKER_02: Yes, and I go back to I go back to that um uh garage band uh episode um where Paul Schaefer was the bandleader.
28:38
SPEAKER_02: Did I tell you about this?
28:39
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
28:39
SPEAKER_02: Paul Schaefer was the band leader, there was a bunch of other people in the band, including Richie Sambora, and they were playing an oldie um something like Wild Thing or Louie Louie or something like that.
28:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:49
SPEAKER_02: And um everybody took a guitar solo.
28:52
SPEAKER_02: Richie Sambora took a solo and it was fantastic, fit right in.
28:55
SPEAKER_02: Eddie Van Halen took a solo and it was an Eddie Van Halen solo and it did not fit.
28:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
29:00
SPEAKER_02: Um and again, he's a genius, and everybody knows that he's you know, I worship the guy.
29:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
29:07
SPEAKER_02: Not worship him, but you know what I mean.
29:09
SPEAKER_02: Um but I don't think and if you listen to and I used to get in an argument with a a former drummer that I w used to work with, um, about Roth era and and Sammy era, Van Halen.
29:22
SPEAKER_02: Right.
29:23
SPEAKER_02: And if you listen to an early Van Halen record, um they every song ends the same way.
29:33
SPEAKER_02: Not every song, but a good majority.
29:36
SPEAKER_02: A good majority of the songs they end the same way.
29:38
SPEAKER_02: And their songs are structured the same way.
29:41
SPEAKER_02: Of course, they were just starting, yeah.
29:43
SPEAKER_02: Right?
29:43
SPEAKER_02: And and they were just learning how to write songs.
29:46
SPEAKER_02: And I I'll you know, you I take that all into consideration.
29:49
SPEAKER_02: But you know, Van Halen 1, 2, and and Diver Down and all these other ones, um, they all have very similar song structures.
29:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
29:59
SPEAKER_02: And I a lot of that was was who was running this ship.
30:03
SPEAKER_02: Uh Roth was you know making a lot of the calls on that.
30:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:07
SPEAKER_02: Um so but I don't know why I'm because he was an honorable mention.
30:12
SPEAKER_02: I wasn't even gonna mention him, but you did earlier.
30:13
SPEAKER_02: So I did.
30:14
SPEAKER_02: I would have put him on my overrated.
30:17
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
30:17
SPEAKER_02: That being said, he's still He's still Eddie.
30:21
SPEAKER_02: He's still the goat.
30:22
SPEAKER_02: Um, but I want to do an underrated.
30:24
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
30:25
SPEAKER_02: Um I want to you already did Alex Lifeson.
30:28
SPEAKER_02: I want to say Prince.
30:29
SPEAKER_02: Prince is underrated?
30:31
SPEAKER_02: Prince is an underrated guitar person.
30:32
SPEAKER_02: Oh, absolutely.
30:33
SPEAKER_02: Because I think until until and uh unless you're a huge fan and follower of Prince, you didn't know he could play guitar.
30:44
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, there's there's a meme out there that's it shows uh Prince like sitting in a chair in a studio.
30:49
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
30:49
SPEAKER_07: And it says something like, here's the drummer, bass player, guitar player, keyboard player, producer of the last the latest Prince album.
30:58
SPEAKER_07: And it's just it's just him.
30:59
SPEAKER_02: It's just him.
31:00
SPEAKER_02: Because he played all the instruments.
31:01
SPEAKER_02: He played everything.
31:02
SPEAKER_02: And I think even for even for like um Prince and the is it the new generation?
31:09
SPEAKER_02: Prince and the Prince and the something.
31:11
SPEAKER_02: Revolution.
31:12
SPEAKER_02: Revolution, yeah.
31:13
SPEAKER_02: Prince and the Revolution.
31:14
SPEAKER_02: Uh I think even on most of that stuff, he was the band.
31:18
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
31:18
SPEAKER_02: I think just toured with him.
31:20
SPEAKER_02: It was a touring band.
31:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:21
SPEAKER_02: Same with the um um I don't know, he had a couple other bands that toured with him.
31:27
SPEAKER_02: But they did they toured with him and and played with him, but I I don't think they were ever on record.
31:32
SPEAKER_07: No, I don't think so.
31:34
SPEAKER_02: I think he played everything all the time.
31:36
SPEAKER_07: I think that was just that was just his style.
31:38
SPEAKER_02: Because I think he played literally like 17 instruments.
31:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:40
SPEAKER_02: That's what I heard.
31:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:42
SPEAKER_02: Um, but I keep going back to that uh George Harrison tribute video where Tom Petty is singing, uh uh George Harrison's son of Danny is there, Jeff Lynn is there, um you know, a couple other people, and Prince comes out and does this guitar solo and for while my guitar gently weeps.
32:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
32:02
SPEAKER_02: And just destroys it.
32:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
32:04
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's a amazing.
32:06
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
32:06
SPEAKER_02: And I think we all knew he could play.
32:08
SPEAKER_02: I mean, if like um what was that song?
32:12
SPEAKER_02: Uh Let's Let's Go Crazy.
32:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
32:14
SPEAKER_02: And that guitar solo in there, that's you know, unreal stuff.
32:18
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
32:18
SPEAKER_07: So I but but you think of him as as well he's more of a like a front, you know, he's like the you know, he's the one name.
32:25
SPEAKER_07: Right.
32:25
SPEAKER_07: He's a share, he's an Adele, he's uh you know Right.
32:28
SPEAKER_07: He's a pop artist.
32:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he is um and and extraordinarily talented, but an amazingly underrated guitar player.
32:36
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I agree.
32:37
SPEAKER_07: I agree with that one.
32:38
SPEAKER_02: All right.
32:38
SPEAKER_02: Underrated, overrated.
32:40
SPEAKER_07: I have no idea.
32:41
SPEAKER_02: Uh you're running out.
32:43
SPEAKER_07: Well, I I mean I wasn't prepared for this, so I know.
32:45
SPEAKER_07: You know, I don't I don't have a list.
32:48
SPEAKER_02: Um I just made this before you.
32:50
SPEAKER_02: I know.
32:50
SPEAKER_07: I mean I didn't you know that's I'm judging.
32:53
SPEAKER_02: Do you want me to just go to one another one here?
32:54
SPEAKER_07: And you Well, I actually you brought up one earlier that I don't think he gets the credit uh that he deserves.
33:00
SPEAKER_07: That's Richie Sambora.
33:01
SPEAKER_02: He was on my underrated list as an honorable mention.
33:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
33:06
SPEAKER_02: Because when you think of Bon Jovi, you think of Bon Jovi.
33:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
33:10
SPEAKER_02: Uh you think of John, and you think of Richie.
33:13
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
33:13
SPEAKER_02: Um Poor Tico, Alec, and you know, whatever they oh, Hugh McNaughton.
33:18
SPEAKER_02: Who are those other guys?
33:18
SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
33:19
SPEAKER_02: Um but there was a chemistry there, and Richie Richie is one of those guitar players who plays for the song.
33:30
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I was just gonna say he doesn't he doesn't showboat, he's not he's just you know, everything he does makes the song better.
33:37
SPEAKER_02: Right.
33:37
SPEAKER_02: He's more than capable of showboating.
33:39
SPEAKER_07: Oh, sure, yeah, absolutely.
33:40
SPEAKER_02: Uh when he when he blows, you know, I mean when he cuts, he's amazing.
33:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
33:45
SPEAKER_02: Um and and that's why I say he's an underrated guitar player.
33:49
SPEAKER_02: Because you don't think of like his skills because he fits right into the song.
33:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
33:55
SPEAKER_02: He plays uh solos and he plays chords and and fills and and everything that fit the song.
34:01
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
34:02
SPEAKER_02: Um so yeah, he was he was one of my honorable mentions.
34:06
SPEAKER_02: And the reason he was on honorable mentions because I had these other ones here.
34:09
SPEAKER_02: Um I mentioned Prince isn't underrated.
34:12
SPEAKER_02: I'm also going to mention one you probably don't know.
34:15
SPEAKER_02: Uh Ty Tabor.
34:17
SPEAKER_02: Ty Tabor is the guitar player for King's X.
34:21
SPEAKER_02: Um they were had a cult following, um, still have a cult following.
34:27
SPEAKER_02: Um, they didn't really have any radio hits.
34:31
SPEAKER_02: Um they were very popular though.
34:35
SPEAKER_02: Uh and Ty Tabor is a great singer and uh completely underrated guitar player.
34:39
SPEAKER_02: I'd play you something, but I don't want to.
34:42
SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure how much time we have here.
34:46
SPEAKER_02: Well, I guess we I guess we probably have time.
34:48
SPEAKER_02: But I w look up King's X and Well, I know King's X.
34:52
SPEAKER_07: I mean I just I never heard the name.
34:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
34:54
SPEAKER_02: Uh Ty Tabor is a guitar player and and one of the singers, Doug uh Doug um shoot.
35:02
SPEAKER_02: I can't remember the other singer, the bass player.
35:04
SPEAKER_02: Uh oh yeah, that guy.
35:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that guy.
35:07
SPEAKER_02: The one with the face?
35:08
SPEAKER_02: Yes, the one with the face.
35:09
SPEAKER_02: Gotcha.
35:09
SPEAKER_02: And the one that wears his bass all the way down here.
35:11
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
35:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
35:11
SPEAKER_02: Uh great band.
35:13
SPEAKER_02: Underrated band, actually.
35:14
SPEAKER_02: King's X is an underrated band.
35:15
SPEAKER_02: But Ty Tabor's on my underrated list.
35:18
SPEAKER_07: So I I have an overrated one.
35:20
SPEAKER_07: All right, good.
35:21
SPEAKER_07: The Nouge.
35:22
SPEAKER_07: He I almost put him down.
35:24
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
35:24
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
35:25
SPEAKER_07: I would see he's I would consider him overrated.
35:27
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
35:28
SPEAKER_07: Um I mean he's great.
35:29
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
35:30
SPEAKER_07: But he's not.
35:33
SPEAKER_02: You know, you know when I liked the Nugent?
35:36
SPEAKER_02: Obviously, we're talking about Ted Nugent.
35:38
SPEAKER_02: Um the best, believe it or not, was in Damn Yankees.
35:43
SPEAKER_07: Oh, I loved, yeah.
35:44
SPEAKER_02: And here's why and here's why.
35:47
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I I I love m most of the stuff that that Ted Nugent did in the 70s and everything, like Strangle Hold and all that stuff.
35:52
SPEAKER_02: That was that was great.
35:53
SPEAKER_02: That was one of my favorite songs.
35:54
SPEAKER_02: With his big uh um Birdland guitar, Gretsch guitar or whatever.
36:00
SPEAKER_02: Um But the song and the songs were riff-oriented, you know, he he like Cat Scratch Fever, yeah.
36:08
SPEAKER_02: Um it was a it was a guitar riff, and he wrote the song Around the Riff.
36:11
SPEAKER_02: Right.
36:12
SPEAKER_02: And um Strangelholt was a guitar riff, and he wrote the song Around the Riff.
36:16
SPEAKER_02: Um when he got in Damn Yankees, he had Tommy Shaw of Styx and Jack Blades of Night Ranger, who are amazing songwriters.
36:22
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, and some rando drummer.
36:24
SPEAKER_02: Right.
36:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:24
SPEAKER_02: Uh Michael Carleone.
36:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:27
SPEAKER_02: Michael Carleone.
36:28
SPEAKER_02: Who?
36:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:30
SPEAKER_02: Um and uh they had songs.
36:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:33
SPEAKER_02: And and so Ted Nugent had to craft had to sound like Ted Nugent, but not sound like Ted Nugent.
36:39
SPEAKER_02: Right.
36:39
SPEAKER_02: Do you know what I mean?
36:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:40
SPEAKER_02: He was using different gear for one.
36:43
SPEAKER_02: Uh I think he went Paul Reed Smith guitars for for damn Yankees.
36:47
SPEAKER_02: But if you didn't know any better, you may not have known it was Ted Nugent.
36:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:52
SPEAKER_02: Uh amazing stuff that he did.
36:54
SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, I would put him as as overrated.
36:58
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
36:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure.
37:00
SPEAKER_02: Uh I'm gonna go underrated again.
37:03
SPEAKER_02: Uh let's see.
37:04
SPEAKER_02: Lindsay Buckingham.
37:06
SPEAKER_02: Fleetwood Mac.
37:07
SPEAKER_07: Oh yeah.
37:07
SPEAKER_07: I I I I would agree with that.
37:09
SPEAKER_02: I I think more as a producer, uh uh, but he's an amazing, amazing inventive guitar player.
37:18
SPEAKER_02: Um some of the stuff that he came up with was very unique.
37:23
SPEAKER_02: And he can he can wail as well.
37:25
SPEAKER_02: I mean he he can he can solo just like the rest of us.
37:29
SPEAKER_02: Or I mean the rest of us.
37:31
SPEAKER_02: The rest of them.
37:32
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, because I solo all the time.
37:35
SPEAKER_07: Doesn't matter, man.
37:37
SPEAKER_07: I mean, I I can just pick up any guitar and just knock out a solo.
37:41
SPEAKER_07: That'll just blow you away, man.
37:43
SPEAKER_07: That's that this is how that's the that's the just the height of my talent.
37:47
SPEAKER_02: I think you've been sniffing too many sharpies.
37:49
SPEAKER_07: Give me that sharpie.
37:52
SPEAKER_02: I I just think Lindsay Buckingham, he doesn't get enough credit for the guitar player that he is.
37:56
SPEAKER_02: I mean he's he's inventive and um Yeah, I don't know.
38:03
SPEAKER_02: A lot like uh and I don't necessarily mean like loud rock guitar.
38:11
SPEAKER_02: I mean he's great at that.
38:13
SPEAKER_02: But um like that vi that concert video they did in like ninety seven, ninety eight called The Dance, where he gets up there by himself, just him and an acoustic guitar, and and does a song called Big Love.
38:25
SPEAKER_02: And he's doing he's doing like one a melody with one finger and a different melody with another finger, and then he's doing the bass line with the other finger.
38:34
SPEAKER_02: It's unbelievable to watch.
38:37
SPEAKER_02: Um but I don't think he's seen that way.
38:39
SPEAKER_02: I don't I think he's seen as uh a member of the band that happens to play guitar.
38:44
SPEAKER_02: Right.
38:44
SPEAKER_02: You know, he's a v an amazing guitar player.
38:47
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
38:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
38:47
SPEAKER_02: I agree with that.
38:48
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
38:49
SPEAKER_02: So you got another one?
38:50
SPEAKER_07: Or uh how about underrated um uh just came to me.
38:55
SPEAKER_07: Who was I just think I was just thinking about somebody.
38:58
SPEAKER_07: Oh well, it's gone now.
39:00
SPEAKER_07: It's too much Sharpie.
39:01
SPEAKER_02: All right, well, I'll do another underrated.
39:03
SPEAKER_02: Go ahead.
39:04
SPEAKER_02: And this guy is not underrated in guitar circles.
39:08
SPEAKER_02: Like if you if if you're a guitar player, you you know who this guy is.
39:12
SPEAKER_02: But I don't think he gets enough credit just in general, in the music community.
39:17
SPEAKER_02: Um or maybe not the music community, in the musical landscape.
39:21
SPEAKER_02: Nuno Betancourt.
39:22
SPEAKER_07: Oh, yeah.
39:23
SPEAKER_07: Would you say he's underrated?
39:25
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I would say he's underrated.
39:26
SPEAKER_07: Um in the pantheon of uh guitar heroes.
39:29
SPEAKER_07: Right.
39:29
SPEAKER_07: I think he's over.
39:30
SPEAKER_07: He's like you know, the you got like your Eddies and your Jimi Hendricks and everything like here.
39:36
SPEAKER_07: He's somewhere down here.
39:37
SPEAKER_07: Right.
39:38
SPEAKER_07: When he should be up there.
39:39
SPEAKER_07: I agree.
39:39
SPEAKER_07: You know what I mean?
39:40
SPEAKER_02: Because he's amazing.
39:41
SPEAKER_07: He's awesome, man.
39:42
SPEAKER_02: Uh and he's one of those guys that um he has a thing, but he can break out of that and play what needs to be played for the song.
39:51
SPEAKER_02: Right.
39:51
SPEAKER_02: You know, he I mean, for crying out loud, he played for Rihanna for a long time.
39:56
SPEAKER_02: I think didn't he do the solo on The Black Cat by Janet Jackson?
39:59
SPEAKER_07: No, I thought that was um Well maybe oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
40:04
SPEAKER_07: I think we had that conversation because I think it was Steve Smith that did the The solo?
40:08
SPEAKER_07: No, did the riff.
40:12
SPEAKER_01: Right.
40:13
SPEAKER_07: I think Steve Smith did that one.
40:15
SPEAKER_07: But I think Nuno did the uh solo.
40:18
SPEAKER_07: He was like he was brought in like Eddie Van Halen was brought in on that kind of thing.
40:22
SPEAKER_02: Something like that.
40:23
SPEAKER_02: I heard something.
40:24
SPEAKER_07: Pretty sure that was like that was the deal.
40:26
SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, so I would say Nuno Betancourt, uh just an unbelievable and an unbelievable underrated songwriter and just all out musician.
40:35
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
40:35
SPEAKER_02: He's he's uh he's amazing.
40:38
SPEAKER_07: Underrated Reb Beach.
40:40
SPEAKER_07: Ah, he's on my list.
40:41
SPEAKER_07: Okay, good.
40:41
SPEAKER_02: He's a he's an honorable mention.
40:43
SPEAKER_02: Because I only I I put like a bunch of them, yeah, and then I put a circle next to like five of them that I were gonna mention, but Reb Beach is on my list, and he was yeah, I agree completely.
40:52
SPEAKER_02: He uh who I I saw a thing online, Reb Beach is from Winger, by the way, um, and a couple other bands.
41:00
SPEAKER_02: He's playing in Whitesnake now, I think.
41:01
SPEAKER_02: Oh, is he?
41:02
SPEAKER_02: Um He was talking to somebody and Richie Sambora actually came up to him uh in probably the early nineties and said, or maybe late eighties, and said, Uh, everybody idolizes you, man, because you've got the longest guitar solo on radio.
41:24
SPEAKER_02: And he's like, What are you talking about?
41:26
SPEAKER_02: And I don't know if you remember this, but the song Headed for a Heartbreak.
41:29
SPEAKER_07: Oh, yeah, that end is like it's like a 10-minute guitar solo.
41:32
SPEAKER_02: Right.
41:32
SPEAKER_02: Well, there's a guitar solo in the middle, which is amazing and inventive, and then at the end, there's an outro that lasts forever.
41:39
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
41:39
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, just go on.
41:40
SPEAKER_02: I don't know how long I don't know if there's a radio edit.
41:43
SPEAKER_02: There must be a radio edit, but they never played it because they always played the long version.
41:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
41:47
SPEAKER_02: And uh so Richie was he said uh every guitar player is jealous of you because you've got the longest guitar solo on the radio.
41:54
SPEAKER_02: I agree.
41:54
SPEAKER_02: Um he is definitely an underrated guitar player.
41:59
SPEAKER_02: Um I agree.
42:01
SPEAKER_07: How about Phil Collin?
42:03
SPEAKER_02: Phil Collin, I don't know.
42:05
SPEAKER_02: I don't know where I'd put him.
42:07
SPEAKER_07: He's not overrated, but he's definitely not underrated.
42:09
SPEAKER_07: He's somewhere, he's in that sweet Nirvana spot.
42:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
42:12
SPEAKER_07: You know, where he's just he's you know Yeah.
42:15
SPEAKER_02: I would say he's not yeah, he's not overrated.
42:18
SPEAKER_02: You you put it right.
42:19
SPEAKER_02: He's not overrated, and he's not underrated.
42:21
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, he's just he's in that sweet spot.
42:22
SPEAKER_07: He's in that, you know, everybody just hey, it's it's it's the guy from Def Leopard.
42:27
SPEAKER_07: Right.
42:27
SPEAKER_07: You know what I mean?
42:27
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
42:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
42:29
SPEAKER_02: I have I have one more underrated on my list, and then I have a bunch of well, not a bunch, but a few overrated.
42:36
SPEAKER_02: So I'll go with my underrated Vitobrata.
42:38
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
42:39
SPEAKER_08: I was gonna say that too.
42:40
SPEAKER_02: Again, in guitar circles, everybody loves him.
42:43
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
42:43
SPEAKER_02: And idolizes him.
42:45
SPEAKER_02: And and if you're not familiar with White Lion, um White Lion's at least their first two albums were unbelievable.
42:53
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, the first two, yeah.
42:54
SPEAKER_07: I remember that.
42:55
SPEAKER_02: Um Pride was Pride was awesome.
42:58
SPEAKER_02: Awesome.
42:58
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
42:59
SPEAKER_02: Uh Big Game.
43:00
SPEAKER_02: Is it Big Game?
43:01
SPEAKER_07: Something like that.
43:02
SPEAKER_02: Big Game.
43:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
43:02
SPEAKER_02: Had a couple a couple great songs, but the guitar playing on the whole thing was unbelievable.
43:07
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
43:07
SPEAKER_02: So and he's not playing guitar anymore.
43:10
SPEAKER_07: I think he's working at a 7-Eleven in Los Angeles.
43:12
SPEAKER_02: You know, you joke, but I'm probably not far from the truth.
43:16
SPEAKER_02: Probably not far off.
43:17
SPEAKER_02: Uh he's actually in New York, though.
43:18
SPEAKER_02: Um, and I know.
43:19
SPEAKER_07: Okay, he's working at 7-Eleven there.
43:21
SPEAKER_07: He's working at a donkeys.
43:23
SPEAKER_07: Who knows?
43:23
SPEAKER_07: I don't know.
43:24
SPEAKER_02: Something about his dad uh being ill um and he had a hand injury, and he just completely disappeared.
43:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's true.
43:34
SPEAKER_07: I mean, some people just, you know, that's that's the way to go, you know.
43:37
SPEAKER_07: You just like here, then you just like go.
43:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
43:40
SPEAKER_02: You know.
43:40
SPEAKER_02: Um, all right.
43:41
SPEAKER_02: So let me just go over the my remaining overrated, and you can yell at me if you want.
43:47
SPEAKER_02: Um, the edge.
43:49
SPEAKER_02: Overrated?
43:50
SPEAKER_02: Overrated.
43:50
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
43:51
SPEAKER_02: I would say the edge is amazingly inventive.
43:53
SPEAKER_02: You know, he did the the the a lot of different things.
43:56
SPEAKER_07: I honestly, with you two, I It doesn't i the guitar playing doesn't stand out.
44:03
SPEAKER_02: There's no like riffs in you two that I go, Oh it's as a guitar player it's it's the way he's playing it.
44:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
44:12
SPEAKER_02: Um because he's using like delay and and and that's not easy to master.
44:18
SPEAKER_02: No.
44:19
SPEAKER_02: You know, he's he's he's playing he's playing like one note, but it's actually three.
44:24
SPEAKER_02: And to get the right cadence down.
44:26
SPEAKER_02: So I would say he's inventive uh and and and and uh contributed a lot to the But he plays to the song.
44:33
SPEAKER_07: He I mean he blends so well with you know the the rest of the band.
44:37
SPEAKER_02: Right.
44:37
SPEAKER_07: You know.
44:38
SPEAKER_07: I mean Bono's just off on his own little ego thing, but I mean, you know.
44:43
SPEAKER_02: Whatever, but so uh but I would say overrated.
44:46
SPEAKER_02: Uh also Tom Morello.
44:48
SPEAKER_02: Again, very inventive, but maybe it's just because I don't really care for Tom Morello's playing, but I would say he's overrated.
44:56
SPEAKER_07: I like I like his playing, but to me he's not overrated or underrated, he's just he's just in that sweet spot.
45:02
SPEAKER_02: Probably because it's a signature sound.
45:03
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
45:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
45:04
SPEAKER_02: Um Kirk Hammett.
45:06
SPEAKER_02: Overrated?
45:07
SPEAKER_02: Overrated.
45:07
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, that's where I'm gonna have to kick you in the bath.
45:12
SPEAKER_02: I knew you were gonna say that.
45:13
SPEAKER_02: Uh Kirk Hammett, um you wanna hear a Kirk Hammett guitar solo?
45:18
SPEAKER_02: You better put on your crybaby wah wah.
45:20
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, he does love the walk.
45:21
SPEAKER_02: He does love the wah.
45:23
SPEAKER_02: And and my last one, um I'm gonna get hate for this.
45:29
SPEAKER_02: And and you have to take it to put it in perspective.
45:34
SPEAKER_02: Uh I almost don't want to say it.
45:40
SPEAKER_07: Well, you gotta say it now, because now I'm just here waiting.
45:43
SPEAKER_02: Jimi Hendricks.
45:44
SPEAKER_07: Overrated?
45:45
SPEAKER_02: Overrated.
45:46
SPEAKER_02: Really?
45:46
SPEAKER_02: I would say because I think the time that he was in, he was not overrated.
45:55
SPEAKER_02: The time that he was in.
45:56
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I think I think you have to look at it that way, though.
45:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's what I mean.
45:59
SPEAKER_07: Um but maybe you have to look at everybody that way.
46:03
SPEAKER_02: Oh, for sure.
46:04
SPEAKER_07: You know.
46:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
46:05
SPEAKER_02: Um but he wasn't doing uh I'm gonna take it back.
46:11
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna I'm gonna take it back.
46:14
SPEAKER_02: You're right.
46:15
SPEAKER_06: I was well, I was trying to You should work for the government.
46:19
SPEAKER_02: I was trying to justify it.
46:22
SPEAKER_02: And and and y you just kind of turned the whole thing on its head when you said you have to look at everybody that way.
46:28
SPEAKER_02: And it's true.
46:30
SPEAKER_02: Uh so put it like this.
46:32
SPEAKER_02: So Jimi Hendrix was the way he was in the 60s, and right?
46:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
46:38
SPEAKER_02: Can you imagine where he'd be now?
46:40
SPEAKER_07: Well, he'd be like probably like an aericlaptic.
46:43
SPEAKER_07: I don't you think he wouldn't change?
46:44
SPEAKER_07: Probably not.
46:46
SPEAKER_07: I don't know.
46:47
SPEAKER_07: I don't think I don't think I don't think he was the in super inventive type.
46:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
46:54
SPEAKER_07: He just did some really cool stuff that nobody had been doing yet.
46:58
SPEAKER_02: Right.
46:58
SPEAKER_07: You know what I'm saying?
47:00
SPEAKER_07: And you don't think he'd he'd I don't I don't think he would have gone I don't think he would have gone the dire he would just stay Jimi Hendrix.
47:06
SPEAKER_07: Yeah I don't think he would have progressed much more beyond that.
47:11
SPEAKER_02: Right.
47:11
SPEAKER_02: So Yeah, because he was blues-based.
47:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
47:14
SPEAKER_02: You know, like Clapton and it's once you're blues-based, believe me, I know, it's hard to break out of that.
47:20
SPEAKER_07: It is, yeah.
47:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
47:22
SPEAKER_07: Uh but I think he would have reached a certain plateau and just stayed there.
47:25
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
47:25
SPEAKER_07: Like Clapton did.
47:26
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
47:27
SPEAKER_07: Clapton reached that plateau and he just stayed there.
47:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
47:29
SPEAKER_07: You know.
47:30
SPEAKER_02: So I wonder if I should take back Clapton now as overrated.
47:34
SPEAKER_07: No, I mean you can still put him in.
47:36
SPEAKER_07: I mean, it's still it's it's an opinion thing.
47:37
SPEAKER_07: I mean, everybody's entitled to an opinion.
47:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
47:40
SPEAKER_07: So Clapton is it's last time I checked my watch, it's still America.
47:43
SPEAKER_02: It's so it's Well, give it time.
47:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
47:46
SPEAKER_02: Uh it's it's weird because you know, a lot of the people, uh some of the people that I mentioned as overrated are in my top five favorite guitar players.
47:54
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
47:54
SPEAKER_07: So I mean, I mean, you can look at them objectively like that and say, oh, they're overrated, but I still love them.
47:59
SPEAKER_07: I don't care.
48:00
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
48:00
SPEAKER_07: You know, and that and that's why I look at everybody on the on those lists.
48:04
SPEAKER_07: I mean, I love all those people except for the Thai guy, because I didn't really know them that well.
48:09
SPEAKER_07: Yep.
48:09
SPEAKER_07: I know the band, but I don't really know them that well.
48:11
SPEAKER_07: I mean, they're either overrated or under, but I don't care.
48:14
SPEAKER_07: Right.
48:14
SPEAKER_07: You still like them.
48:15
SPEAKER_05: Right.
48:16
SPEAKER_07: You know, I mean, if you're looking, I mean, if you're gonna nitpick, then that's when you start like, well, yeah, that was overrated.
48:22
SPEAKER_07: That was under you know, yeah.
48:24
SPEAKER_07: But if you just enjoy the music, then just enjoy the music.
48:26
SPEAKER_02: I enjoy all the music we talked about.
48:28
SPEAKER_02: All of those artists, all those.
48:29
SPEAKER_07: And that's and that and that's and at the end of the day, that's what that's what matters.
48:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
48:34
SPEAKER_02: Thanks for bringing it all back down to the to the nitty-gritty.
48:37
SPEAKER_07: Well, that's why you pay me the big bucks.
48:38
SPEAKER_02: It is, absolutely.
48:39
SPEAKER_07: And uh speaking of big as part of my pay, this Sharpie is coming with me.
48:47
SPEAKER_02: This was a this was a long conversation.
48:49
SPEAKER_02: What?
48:50
SPEAKER_02: Uh we're already yeah, but this was a long conversation.
48:53
SPEAKER_02: Hopefully we can fit fit everything else in.
48:55
SPEAKER_02: So uh speaking of uh overrated, it's time for the Comic Crossing song of Oh, we are we are definitely not overrated.
49:02
SPEAKER_07: We're definitely not underrated.
49:04
SPEAKER_07: We're in that sweet Nirvana spot.
49:07
SPEAKER_02: Okay, whatever.
49:08
SPEAKER_07: We do our thing, man.
49:09
SPEAKER_02: Whatever you say.
49:10
SPEAKER_07: We're having fun.
49:10
SPEAKER_07: That's that is that is what's important.
49:12
SPEAKER_07: We're having fun, we like to write songs, we write songs we want to write.
49:15
SPEAKER_07: We you know, we bow to no person.
49:18
SPEAKER_07: Yep, you know, we don't grovel.
49:20
SPEAKER_07: You know, if you want to hire us, hire us.
49:21
SPEAKER_07: If you don't want to hire us, screw you.
49:23
SPEAKER_07: We don't like you anyway.
49:24
SPEAKER_02: So all right, let me get to the Comic Crossing song of the week.
49:28
SPEAKER_02: And it's actually, I mean, it's Comic Crossing.
49:30
SPEAKER_02: It's it's labeled as Comic Crossing.
49:32
SPEAKER_07: That's more Blake Street boys.
49:33
SPEAKER_02: Is it?
49:34
SPEAKER_02: I think so.
49:35
SPEAKER_02: But it was it was me, basically.
49:37
SPEAKER_02: It was me messing around uh with a four-track recorder and your drum machine, and see, I'm involved.
49:43
SPEAKER_02: And a lot of a lot of effects.
49:46
SPEAKER_02: Um that's how we learn.
49:48
SPEAKER_02: This is and this is one of the ones we found on cassette.
49:51
SPEAKER_02: I don't know I don't I I don't know what the song is about offhand.
49:55
SPEAKER_02: Um this is a song called Turn the Wheel.
49:59
SPEAKER_02: And I think I was just trying to do something.
50:02
SPEAKER_07: It's a driving song.
50:06
SPEAKER_02: I think I was trying to just do something different.
50:08
SPEAKER_02: Um and I think I succeeded because it's a little different.
50:13
SPEAKER_02: It is different, that's for sure.
50:15
SPEAKER_02: Um so this is the Comic Crossing song of the week, and this is Turn the Wheel.
53:38
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so we should mention also that that was um one of those really, really old cassettes.
53:45
SPEAKER_02: Hence the actually there's rain at the end, but it's it was the methuselah of cassettes.
53:50
SPEAKER_02: Yes, and it was obviously there's like crackling all through it and uh, you know, just a poor recording.
53:56
SPEAKER_02: But um I think the sentiment is there.
53:59
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
53:59
SPEAKER_02: Um I sang I sang really high back then.
54:02
SPEAKER_07: Yes.
54:03
SPEAKER_02: Or you were younger.
54:04
SPEAKER_02: I was a lot younger.
54:07
SPEAKER_07: When I was a young man, I could sing really high.
54:11
SPEAKER_02: Hey.
54:12
SPEAKER_02: That's the first line of a song.
54:14
SPEAKER_07: I actually came up with a line the other day.
54:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
54:16
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
54:17
SPEAKER_07: The other side of somewhere.
54:19
SPEAKER_07: Ooh, I like that.
54:20
SPEAKER_07: I have no idea where it could go, but I thought that's a cool line, so I wrote it down.
54:25
SPEAKER_02: The other side of somewhere.
54:26
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
54:27
SPEAKER_02: I like that.
54:28
SPEAKER_02: We'll put that somewhere.
54:30
SPEAKER_02: Put that in a song.
54:30
SPEAKER_02: In a song.
54:31
SPEAKER_02: Um, okay.
54:32
SPEAKER_07: It'll be a song about Lowe's.
54:36
SPEAKER_07: Where did that come from?
54:37
SPEAKER_07: I don't know.
54:37
SPEAKER_07: Because we were talking about Finn earlier.
54:42
SPEAKER_07: He'll be working there.
54:45
SPEAKER_07: And I'll be like, where's the zero turn?
54:47
SPEAKER_07: He'll be i it'll be when he goes to buy his first zero turn one more.
54:51
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
54:51
SPEAKER_07: He'll be like, where is it?
54:52
SPEAKER_07: And then whoever's working there will be like, it's on the other side of somewhere.
54:56
SPEAKER_07: So he'll be like, wow.
55:00
SPEAKER_02: Doug, Doug is a genius.
55:01
SPEAKER_02: Too much Sharpie for you tonight, I think.
55:03
SPEAKER_02: Hold on.
55:07
SPEAKER_02: There we go.
55:07
SPEAKER_02: We're good.
55:08
SPEAKER_02: We'll have to flag this episode as it features drug use.
55:12
SPEAKER_07: Features Sharpie abuse.
55:15
SPEAKER_02: All right, we're gonna climb the wall of tunes next.
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56:35
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56:39
SPEAKER_02: It's time to climb the wall of two.
56:42
SPEAKER_02: Wall of Toons.
56:45
SPEAKER_01: Everybody's favorite.
56:46
SPEAKER_01: Okay, let's uh let's have you close your eyes.
56:48
SPEAKER_01: Wait, you didn't you didn't sound very you know, very When I said everybody's favorite?
56:53
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, you were everybody's favorite.
56:55
SPEAKER_07: I need I need some more enthusiasm out of you for it.
56:58
SPEAKER_07: Okay, so everybody's favorite game show! Tool of toons!
57:02
SPEAKER_01: It's not the tool of tunes.
57:04
SPEAKER_01: What?
57:05
SPEAKER_01: You said the tool of tunes.
57:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
57:07
SPEAKER_07: It's stupid sharpie.
57:10
SPEAKER_07: I have sharp, I have sharpie brain.
57:14
SPEAKER_01: Well now it's time for everybody's favorite.
57:17
SPEAKER_06: There we go.
57:18
SPEAKER_06: Two That's better.
57:20
SPEAKER_06: That's what I want to hear.
57:21
SPEAKER_06: Alright, cover your eyes.
57:22
SPEAKER_02: Alright.
57:22
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
57:24
SPEAKER_02: Alright, taking off the headphones.
57:26
SPEAKER_06: Take off the headphones.
57:36
SPEAKER_03: Interesting.
57:39
SPEAKER_03: Interesting.
57:43
SPEAKER_07: I don't know why I was humming the Star Trek theme, but I don't either.
57:47
SPEAKER_02: Okay, uh I I am all set.
57:50
SPEAKER_06: Whoosh is it a sonar?
57:54
SPEAKER_06: Is it a band?
57:54
SPEAKER_06: It is the band.
57:55
SPEAKER_06: Is it a band?
57:56
SPEAKER_06: Is it a rock band?
57:58
SPEAKER_02: It is a rock band.
57:59
SPEAKER_06: It is a rock band.
58:00
SPEAKER_06: What the height is the height of their popularity?
58:05
SPEAKER_02: Hard to say.
58:07
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
58:08
SPEAKER_07: Sweetie and the bowfish.
58:09
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna say.
58:10
SPEAKER_02: It's King's X.
58:12
SPEAKER_02: Nope.
58:12
SPEAKER_07: It's Metallica.
58:13
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna say the height of their popularity.
58:17
SPEAKER_02: Late 70s, early 80s.
58:19
SPEAKER_07: Ah, it's Journey.
58:21
SPEAKER_02: No.
58:23
SPEAKER_07: Jimi Hendrix Experience.
58:26
SPEAKER_02: No.
58:27
SPEAKER_07: Um okay.
58:29
SPEAKER_07: Late 70s, early 80s.
58:30
SPEAKER_07: Yep.
58:32
SPEAKER_07: Oh goodness.
58:34
SPEAKER_07: Is it the talking heads?
58:35
SPEAKER_02: Uh no.
58:37
SPEAKER_07: Is it a punk band?
58:39
SPEAKER_02: Uh no.
58:43
SPEAKER_07: Did they have like a song that like everybody is still like crazy about?
58:46
SPEAKER_07: Oh, is it Queen?
58:47
SPEAKER_02: Uh no.
58:49
SPEAKER_02: The answer to your question is several.
58:52
SPEAKER_07: Several songs like that?
58:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
58:53
SPEAKER_07: Is it Van Halen?
58:55
SPEAKER_02: Nope.
58:57
SPEAKER_07: I'm just naming bands at Willie Millionaire.
58:59
SPEAKER_02: I know you are.
59:00
SPEAKER_07: It's more fun now.
59:02
SPEAKER_07: It keeps the audience engaged.
59:03
SPEAKER_07: They're like, what's Doug gonna say next?
59:07
SPEAKER_07: Late 70s, early 80s.
59:09
SPEAKER_07: I don't know.
59:10
SPEAKER_07: That's a tough one.
59:11
SPEAKER_02: That was the height of their popularity.
59:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know.
59:13
SPEAKER_02: I think anyway.
59:14
SPEAKER_02: I think they're still immense.
59:16
SPEAKER_02: Are they still around?
59:17
SPEAKER_02: Oh yes.
59:18
SPEAKER_02: Alright, well.
59:21
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
59:22
SPEAKER_07: Is it 30 days special?
59:23
SPEAKER_02: Nope.
59:24
SPEAKER_02: Is it foreigner?
59:26
SPEAKER_02: Nope.
59:30
SPEAKER_02: I'm stunned.
59:33
SPEAKER_02: I am surprised that the guitar player in this band did not come up in any of our conversations.
59:38
SPEAKER_07: Oh.
59:40
SPEAKER_07: Toto.
59:40
SPEAKER_02: Whether no, it's not Toto.
59:42
SPEAKER_02: Whether overrated or underrated.
59:43
SPEAKER_07: Well, if it's Steve Lukathur, you know he's right in that sweet spot.
59:47
SPEAKER_07: Yes, he is.
59:48
SPEAKER_07: So.
59:49
SPEAKER_07: Um, but is it not them?
59:50
SPEAKER_07: Nope.
59:51
SPEAKER_07: Uh is it Steely Dan?
59:52
SPEAKER_07: Nope.
59:53
SPEAKER_07: Is it Doobie Brothers?
59:54
SPEAKER_07: Nope.
59:56
SPEAKER_07: Oh, I know.
59:57
SPEAKER_07: It's Leo Sayer.
59:59
SPEAKER_07: He's a great guitar player.
1:00:01
SPEAKER_08: Nope.
1:00:02
SPEAKER_08: It's not.
1:00:02
SPEAKER_07: Um I don't know.
1:00:09
SPEAKER_07: I'm just randomly naming bands and I don't go on.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_02: Let me see if I can give you another hint.
1:00:13
SPEAKER_02: Um They were one of the first.
1:00:17
SPEAKER_07: Oh, is it Def Leopard?
1:00:19
SPEAKER_02: Nope.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_02: Um This will give it away.
1:00:22
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:00:22
SPEAKER_02: I guarantee you.
1:00:22
SPEAKER_02: They were one of the first to replace their lead singer.
1:00:27
SPEAKER_07: That's not.
1:00:28
SPEAKER_02: That's not.
1:00:30
SPEAKER_02: And they got bigger.
1:00:34
SPEAKER_02: More popular.
1:00:37
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_02: When they replaced their lead singer.
1:00:46
SPEAKER_02: Their the the first album with the new lead singer is still one of the most popular albums.
1:00:54
SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's AC DC.
1:00:55
SPEAKER_02: One of the most popular albums in history.
1:00:56
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
1:00:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Tay C D C.
1:00:58
SPEAKER_02: I can't believe we didn't bring up Eggis Young in any of those albums.
1:01:01
SPEAKER_07: Well, he's he's another one.
1:01:02
SPEAKER_07: He's in that sweet spot.
1:01:03
SPEAKER_07: If you ask me, he's not overrated.
1:01:05
SPEAKER_07: He's not he just plays to the song.
1:01:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he does.
1:01:07
SPEAKER_07: Now they all say the same, they all sound the same.
1:01:09
SPEAKER_02: Well, I was gonna say, because this is the the album that I picked is their latest.
1:01:14
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
1:01:15
SPEAKER_02: Power Up.
1:01:17
SPEAKER_02: Um, and I was like, do I want to buy this?
1:01:20
SPEAKER_02: Do I not want to buy this?
1:01:21
SPEAKER_02: Because if I buy this, it's going to be the same album that it has was last time.
1:01:27
SPEAKER_02: Right.
1:01:27
SPEAKER_02: Uh Black Ice, I think.
1:01:29
SPEAKER_02: And Black Ice was the same as you know uh Razor's Edge.
1:01:34
SPEAKER_02: I mean, uh I I say that.
1:01:35
SPEAKER_02: I mean, there were slight differences and and and the songs are are are classic because there's that whole nostalgia thing.
1:01:42
SPEAKER_02: Like Razor's Edge with Thunderstruck and and um um come on Money Talk.
1:01:50
SPEAKER_02: Um I was in high school when when the those were popular, and so those seem like classic songs to me.
1:01:59
SPEAKER_02: Um and these this batch of songs, while while great, you know, it sounds the same as most of their other stuff.
1:02:09
SPEAKER_02: So I'll play a couple of um uh a couple of tracks off if you haven't heard uh this ACDC.
1:02:15
SPEAKER_07: I found this I have speaking of ACDC, I found this meme and it's hilarious.
1:02:21
SPEAKER_07: It's a Van it's of Angus Yang.
1:02:23
SPEAKER_07: Supposedly this it's of a Angus Young.
1:02:26
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
1:02:26
SPEAKER_07: And it supposedly this is a quote from him.
1:02:28
SPEAKER_07: I'm sick to death of people saying we're we've made eleven albums that sound exactly the same.
1:02:34
SPEAKER_07: In fact, we've made 12 albums that sound exactly the same.
1:02:38
SPEAKER_07: I love I absolutely love that video.
1:02:41
SPEAKER_07: And I hope he actually said that.
1:02:45
SPEAKER_02: Uh well, this was this is the first single, I think, from their latest album, which uh incidentally came out like over a year ago.
1:02:53
SPEAKER_02: Really?
1:02:53
SPEAKER_02: Or yeah, I think it was hold on, I'm looking.
1:02:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was 2020.
1:03:00
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:03:01
SPEAKER_02: Um so this is a video, actually.
1:03:05
SPEAKER_02: So you'll but this is shot in the dark.
1:03:09
SPEAKER_02: And there's no question it's AC DC.
1:03:15
SPEAKER_07: Oh yeah.
1:03:23
SPEAKER_07: You know, it's you know, you know.
1:03:26
SPEAKER_02: Um, but they have there's a time and a place for H D C you know what I mean?
1:03:34
SPEAKER_02: Um like when you're listening to music.
1:03:39
SPEAKER_02: And I think mostly it's in a bar somewhere when you're drinking, when ACDC comes on.
1:03:46
SPEAKER_07: This is ACDC is party music, yes.
1:03:51
SPEAKER_02: But it's perfect party music.
1:03:53
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's you can't go wrong.
1:03:55
SPEAKER_02: I remember not really being a fan of ACDC for the longest time because all their songs sounded the same, but but it there's something so tribal about it.
1:04:08
SPEAKER_07: Well, it's just it's solid.
1:04:10
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, it's a brand.
1:04:11
SPEAKER_07: It is a brand.
1:04:12
SPEAKER_07: But it's like it's like if you buy Quaker Oat oatmeal, you know exactly what you're gonna get.
1:04:18
SPEAKER_07: It doesn't matter the flavor, right?
1:04:20
SPEAKER_07: But you know exactly what you're gonna get.
1:04:22
SPEAKER_07: You're just gonna get oatmeal.
1:04:24
SPEAKER_07: Right and AC DC is the oatmeal of rock music.
1:04:30
SPEAKER_02: This is the opening song from their album.
1:05:04
SPEAKER_02: I would wish I wish uh our base player listened to ACDC more often.
1:05:07
SPEAKER_02: Why?
1:05:08
SPEAKER_02: Listen to that base.
1:05:12
SPEAKER_02: I can play that.
1:05:14
SPEAKER_02: Sometimes that's all you need.
1:05:17
SPEAKER_07: You don't need it, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:05:18
SPEAKER_07: It's just like I said, it's just solid.
1:05:21
SPEAKER_02: Solid.
1:05:21
SPEAKER_02: That's a good step.
1:05:22
SPEAKER_07: Solid rock and roll.
1:05:23
SPEAKER_02: That's a that's a good way to put it.
1:05:25
SPEAKER_07: It may all sound the same, but hey, it's just good rock and roll.
1:05:30
SPEAKER_07: It is good rock and roll.
1:05:31
SPEAKER_02: Yep, it is.
1:05:31
SPEAKER_07: So that's and uh and and it gives me an excuse to work on my Brian Johnson impersonation.
1:05:38
SPEAKER_04: You're alright?
1:05:40
SPEAKER_07: So, you know, hey.
1:05:42
SPEAKER_07: I think I'm getting pretty good in that.
1:05:44
SPEAKER_02: I think the um the other thing about uh ACDC is um their song titles.
1:05:51
SPEAKER_07: Uh let me just uh Well, you remember when we were kids, everybody thought they were satanic.
1:05:56
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
1:05:57
SPEAKER_07: Because you know, like Highway to Hell and Angus.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_07: Young was on, you know, had Devil Horns on, you know, one of the albums.
1:06:04
SPEAKER_07: Was it was it was that that's Highway to Hell.
1:06:07
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
1:06:08
SPEAKER_07: Uh, and actually ACDC uh was named Well, they everybody thought it was Antichrist Devil's Child or something like that.
1:06:15
SPEAKER_02: And it was his sister, Angus Young's sister, um, who something about her sewing machine, uh the the the power cord or something like that.
1:06:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the voltage on it was ACDC, and and he thought it was stupid, but they decided to keep it and look what happened.
1:06:30
SPEAKER_02: Um so this song list on this album, which is called Power Up, uh Realize, Rejection, Shot in the Dark, Through the Mists of Time, Kick You When You're Down, Witches Spell, Demon Fire, Wild Reputation, No Man's Land, Systems Down, Uh, Money Shot, Code Red.
1:06:48
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so now those are some interesting song titles for an ACDC album.
1:06:53
SPEAKER_02: Uh, if you look at their album before, um I want to see see if there's a pattern.
1:06:58
SPEAKER_02: Um Rock and Roll Train.
1:07:02
SPEAKER_02: Sky's on Fire, Big Jack, Anything Goes, War Machine, Smash and Grab, Spoiling for Refine Wheels, Decibel, Stormy May Day.
1:07:09
SPEAKER_02: She likes rock and roll.
1:07:12
SPEAKER_02: Money made.
1:07:13
SPEAKER_02: Rock and roll dream.
1:07:15
SPEAKER_02: Rocking all the way.
1:07:19
SPEAKER_07: I think rock has something to do with it.
1:07:21
SPEAKER_02: I think something to do with it, yeah.
1:07:23
SPEAKER_02: Um, we I don't know that we've talked about uh ACDC to much extent.
1:07:33
SPEAKER_02: Um but one of those bands that the legacy, you know, is it what the was there one?
1:07:41
SPEAKER_02: Oh Rock or Bust uh was the one before was the one after uh after Black Eyes.
1:07:51
SPEAKER_02: So Rock or Bust, play ball, rock the blues away, uh got some rock and roll thunder, rock the house.
1:08:01
SPEAKER_07: Like I say, man, they're Quaker oatmeal.
1:08:04
SPEAKER_07: Solid.
1:08:05
SPEAKER_07: Solid.
1:08:05
SPEAKER_07: You know what you're getting.
1:08:06
SPEAKER_07: Right.
1:08:07
unknown: Right.
1:08:07
SPEAKER_07: They put it right in the title.
1:08:09
SPEAKER_02: Uh and that's not to this to say we don't like ACDC.
1:08:12
SPEAKER_02: I I love ACDC now.
1:08:14
SPEAKER_02: And and and um they definitely have a place in the pantheon of rock and roll.
1:08:18
SPEAKER_07: They're up there, man.
1:08:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they are they're they're legends.
1:08:20
SPEAKER_02: They never have to work again.
1:08:21
SPEAKER_02: Actually, after the black album, the the uh Back and Black and Black album.
1:08:25
SPEAKER_02: They never had to work again.
1:08:26
SPEAKER_07: No, but they did, and they're still they're pumping out music, man.
1:08:30
SPEAKER_07: Yep, they're still going.
1:08:32
SPEAKER_07: Yep.
1:08:32
SPEAKER_07: They're still going.
1:08:33
SPEAKER_07: They're a thousand years old.
1:08:34
SPEAKER_07: They're still going.
1:08:35
SPEAKER_02: Still going.
1:08:36
SPEAKER_02: Still going.
1:08:37
SPEAKER_02: I think there's rumors that they're working on an album right now that should be out soon.
1:08:40
SPEAKER_07: And it's gonna sound exactly the same as that one.
1:08:43
SPEAKER_02: It probably will.
1:08:43
SPEAKER_07: And everybody's gonna love it.
1:08:45
SPEAKER_07: There you go.
1:08:45
SPEAKER_07: So there you go.
1:08:46
SPEAKER_02: That is the Wall of Tunes album of the week, ACDC Power Up, and that is season five, episode eleven.
1:08:54
SPEAKER_02: And Doug is high.
1:08:56
SPEAKER_02: No, I'm not.
1:08:58
SPEAKER_02: He's not really.
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SPEAKER_07: I haven't.
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SPEAKER_07: I'm just pretending to sniff the marker.
1:09:02
SPEAKER_07: I haven't actually been sniffing this.
1:09:04
SPEAKER_02: Well, you sniffed it once.
1:09:05
SPEAKER_07: I did sniff it once, and it was really that's that's what got this whole thing started.
1:09:09
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was like, wow, that's a powerful sharpie.
1:09:11
SPEAKER_07: It is, yeah.
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SPEAKER_07: It's like, you know, it should be regulated.
1:09:14
SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: So all right, so there you go.
1:09:18
SPEAKER_01: Season five, episode 11.
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SPEAKER_07: Sharpie! Doug Sharpie.
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SPEAKER_01: Never thought anybody could forget so much so fast without a severe blow to the head.