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Bonus Episode: Suspicious Deaths, Small-Town Myths, and the Record Store That Helped Make Me · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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  Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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  Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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  Speaker 1: the party, the britage to get you from one full
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  Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard, to dig
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  Speaker 1: into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to
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  Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about this week's full episode subject part two
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  Speaker 1: of our Temptations story. In the Tammy Terrell Saga, we're
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  Speaker 1: rewinding back to our David Bowie episode previewing our upcoming
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  Speaker 1: story on Motorhead, and we get into your voicemails, text, dms,
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  Speaker 1: and as always a whole lot of rosie. This is
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  Speaker 1: the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent
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  Speaker 1: thinkers who know that the best history is the history
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  Speaker 1: that gets buried. Disgracelands where I tell the stories they
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  Speaker 1: didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling to
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  Speaker 1: someone else. All right, disc goes, let's get into it.
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  Speaker 1: The small town I grew up in had a typical
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  Speaker 1: downtown with a lot of different shops. If you needed clothes, hardware,
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  Speaker 1: greeting cards, groceries, whatever, you could get it downtown in
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  Speaker 1: one of the shops on High Street in Clinton, Massachusetts.
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  Speaker 1: This was before big box stores and malls, before malls
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  Speaker 1: were as prevalent, but definitely before big box stores. And
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  Speaker 1: if you didn't want to go to Boston or god forbid, Worcester,
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  Speaker 1: you went, as we said, downtown to get what you needed.
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  Speaker 1: And if you needed something you couldn't buy in stores,
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  Speaker 1: you went to the bad end of High Street where
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  Speaker 1: Papacolis's market was located. It was a little Greek grocery
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  Speaker 1: where for some reason, all the druggies hung out. About
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  Speaker 1: fifty feet to the left of paps as Papacolas's was
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  Speaker 1: referred to, was city hall music. Now, this is where
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  Speaker 1: we went to get our records or cassettes to be
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  Speaker 1: more accurate, and to get a little bit of our
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  Speaker 1: music history education. Now, much later in the year two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and when the movie High Fidelity came out, the
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  Speaker 1: adaptation of Nick Hornby's excellent novel of the same name
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  Speaker 1: starring John Cusack, about a couple of Chicago record store
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  Speaker 1: nerds whose musical tastes are unquestionable but whose ethics have
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  Speaker 1: something to be desired. I felt as I'm sure a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the dudes who I grew up with felt
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  Speaker 1: like I knew those record store nerds that were in
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  Speaker 1: the movie, because in a way, I grew up with
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  Speaker 1: my own small town version. Not in a way I did.
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  Speaker 1: I grew up with my own small town version of
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  Speaker 1: the record store and high fidelity downtown. At City Hall
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  Speaker 1: Music in Clinton, mass the dudes who worked there were older, stoned,
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  Speaker 1: and they didn't care much about selling records. They did
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  Speaker 1: care about talking shit and demonstrating their knowledge of music
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  Speaker 1: history and occasionally dunking on a heavy metal curious fourth
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  Speaker 1: grader and inspiring him at the same time. Now that's
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  Speaker 1: the grade, fourth grade that I was in, I think anyways,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's the grade I was in the first
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  Speaker 1: time I visited City Hall, back right around the time
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  Speaker 1: when it opened, I was with my stepfather, who wasn't
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  Speaker 1: much older than the dudes who worked there, and he
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  Speaker 1: was only a little less burnt out. And that's not
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  Speaker 1: to say that he related to them in any way.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, I can still remember the tension between Joe,
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  Speaker 1: my stepdad, and the city hall guys. I was pretty
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  Speaker 1: sure that that our visit wasn't going to end with
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  Speaker 1: me getting the ACDC record that I wanted, but instead
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  Speaker 1: with Joe, with Joe putting one of those dudes in
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  Speaker 1: the hospital like he nearly did that guy at the
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  Speaker 1: Jay Giles concert who popped my beloe with the lid
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  Speaker 1: end of his cigarette. But that's another story. There was
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  Speaker 1: no violence, just the threat of it, made tangible by
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  Speaker 1: the weird mix of music, snobbery and small town testosterone
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  Speaker 1: floating in the air. Why do you want back in Black?
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  Speaker 1: The dude working there asked me, But what his tone
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  Speaker 1: really said was what kind of asshole wants to buy
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  Speaker 1: that record? I'm not sure I gave the dude an answer,
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  Speaker 1: but I was then asked if i'd heard Highway to
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  Speaker 1: Hell and I had, Well, why didn't I want that record?
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  Speaker 1: I don't fucking know, man, because I'm in the fourth
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  Speaker 1: grade and I just heard he shook me all night long,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe I want to know about fast machines and
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  Speaker 1: keeping the motor clean. I didn't say any of that.
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  Speaker 1: I probably just looked at the dude with the stupid
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  Speaker 1: grin on my face while secretly praying that my stepdad
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  Speaker 1: didn't grab him by his T shirt collar, drag him
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  Speaker 1: over the counter, and beat the dank smell of pod
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  Speaker 1: off of him. But the dude then asked me, and
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  Speaker 1: I remember this clearly, He asked me which ACDC singer
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  Speaker 1: I like best? Which singer the fuck was this dude
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  Speaker 1: talking about which singer? There was only one singer, the
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  Speaker 1: dude who looked like you were construction with Joe my stepdad.
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  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, there was another singer in ACDC before
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  Speaker 1: the back in Black guy. I'll never forget how shocking
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  Speaker 1: this realization was to be, even at that young age.
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  Speaker 1: How had I not known and hold up? The dude died,
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  Speaker 1: the first singer from ACDC died. Tell me more. The
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  Speaker 1: record store dude obliged and told me about Bond Scott
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  Speaker 1: and his premature death. And I'm certain he hinted at
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  Speaker 1: the whispers behind the mystery of Bond's death. Because the
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  Speaker 1: whole story gripped me. I was in Give me all
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  Speaker 1: the fucking rock and roll stories, Oh eighties record store
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  Speaker 1: stage the dude must have picked up on my sincere interest,
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  Speaker 1: because now he was on the other side of the
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  Speaker 1: counter personally escorting me to the ACDC section. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: want back in black, he told me. And sure, you
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  Speaker 1: knew better than what I want. You're older. You have
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  Speaker 1: a leather jacket with cut off sleeves that you wear
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  Speaker 1: over your deno jacket. That's two hole jackets. Well almost,
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  Speaker 1: so you're absolutely the authority here. I was informed that
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want Highway to Hell either. I wanted let
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  Speaker 1: there be rock and hot Damn did I ever want
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  Speaker 1: let there be rock? Of course, I want let there
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  Speaker 1: be rock, dude, whatever you say given to me. At
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  Speaker 1: that moment, I'm convinced my stepdad was even closer to
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  Speaker 1: wrecking my new stoned Obi wan Kenobi record store dude,
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  Speaker 1: even more than he was before now out of spie
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  Speaker 1: or jealousy or whatever, because I'm sure my stepdad thought
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  Speaker 1: that he was bringing me to the record store to
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  Speaker 1: bond with me, And here I am bonding with this
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  Speaker 1: burnout and not him. And what kind of influence was
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  Speaker 1: this burnout going to have on me? An inordinate amount
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  Speaker 1: of influence is the answer. At ACDC sized riff amount
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  Speaker 1: of influence, nearly all the fucking influence. I basically lived
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  Speaker 1: at City Hall Music after that, and so did a
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  Speaker 1: handful of my friends. It's where I first heard the
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  Speaker 1: new record by that guy who quote unquote ripped off
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  Speaker 1: Jim Morrison, and that would be The Cults Ian Atsbury
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  Speaker 1: on The Cult's debut album Love. It's where I caught
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  Speaker 1: my first glimpse of Metallica without Cliff Burton, when the
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  Speaker 1: Garage Day's EP promo poster went up on the wall
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  Speaker 1: at City Hall before the record was even in stock.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure It's where I bought Brett Easton Ellis's
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  Speaker 1: Lesson Zero book, or at least where I borrowed it
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  Speaker 1: off of someone. And it's where I most definitely bought
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  Speaker 1: the soundtrack for Lesson Zero, Slayer and ll cool J
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  Speaker 1: on one album. Of course, give it to me right now.
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  Speaker 1: City Hall Music is literally where I saw my first
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  Speaker 1: compact disc. But more important than all of that, City
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  Speaker 1: Hall Music is where I caught a whiff of my
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  Speaker 1: first rock and roll myth, the death of ACDC singer
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  Speaker 1: Bond Scott. In the whispers of what really happened, I
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  Speaker 1: never figured out if Bond died the way they officially
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  Speaker 1: said he did, in the backseat of a Renault five,
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  Speaker 1: choked to death on his puke after a night of
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  Speaker 1: partying with the dudes from UFO, or if it was
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  Speaker 1: something more nefarious drug dealers, contract killers. Frankly, I'm still
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out out this story decades later. I'm
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  Speaker 1: nearly done writing our second ACDC episode, and I'm no
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  Speaker 1: closer to a determination on Bond's death than I was
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  Speaker 1: before I even started this podcast. But I'm heavily leaning
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  Speaker 1: toward the official cause of death on this one, despite
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  Speaker 1: the suspicions that have been raised. That said, after two
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  Speaker 1: rounds of research on the band, I still haven't done
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  Speaker 1: enough research around Bond's death, So maybe a third episode.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. What I do know is that suspicious
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  Speaker 1: rockstar deaths fascinate me. That was one of the questions
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  Speaker 1: we asked last week, and light of the Tammy Terrell
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  Speaker 1: story that we told in this week's Temptations Part two episode,
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  Speaker 1: which musician's death is most suspicious to you? The details
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  Speaker 1: and theories around these suspicious deaths are often too controversial
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  Speaker 1: to talk about here in the wide feed, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to use today's exclusive bonus after party section to
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  Speaker 1: dig a little bit deeper into some of these cases.
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  Speaker 1: Sketchy official narrative around the death of Elliott Smith and
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  Speaker 1: the mystery surrounding the murder of Al Jackson, junior drummer
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  Speaker 1: for Booker teen, the mg skuy who played on all
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  Speaker 1: Otis Reddings, hits basically, and a bunch of other incredible music,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe I'll even hit on a couple other mysterious desks.
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  Speaker 1: Big stars Chris Bell comes to mind, rock and roll
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  Speaker 1: pioneer Bobby Fuller. I want to figure out which of
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  Speaker 1: these will make for great Disgraceland episodes, or if in
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  Speaker 1: fact they're just they're just too wild and crazy to
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  Speaker 1: even get into in the wide feed. Some stories are
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  Speaker 1: too strange, too sensitive, too unresolved for a big public
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  Speaker 1: forum like the wide version of this podcast. But they
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  Speaker 1: still matter, and like I said, a couple of them
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  Speaker 1: All right, we're back, and if you don't know what's up,
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  Speaker 1: here's what's happening in disgrace Land this week. We just
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: released our new episode on the Temptations. That's part two,
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: which is really a Tammy Terrell story. Coming up next
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  Speaker 1: in your feed. Right after this after party episode, We're
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: rewinding to our David Bowie episode where if you listen closely,
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: you'll hear me lose my mind in the E block.
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  Speaker 1: And next week we are hitting all you held Ben
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  Speaker 1: for Leather Rocke rollers with our Motorhead episode. Okay, but
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  Speaker 1: right now you know where I'm at. I'm in the
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  Speaker 1: phone booth. It's the one across the hall, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: hanging on the telephone getting answers to our most pressing
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  Speaker 1: questions from music history, like which musician died most mysteriously,
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  Speaker 1: most suspiciously, what do you guys think? Who do you
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about? Let's hear from Ricardo in the
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  Speaker 1: five to one zero.
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  Speaker 3: Good Jake, My name is Ricardo. I love your show out,
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  Speaker 3: thanks for everything. I've always thought that Donny Hathaway's death
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  Speaker 3: was really suspicious. He was considered the other genius at
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  Speaker 3: Atlantic Records O in Arisa, and he had in history
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  Speaker 3: of mental health issues and then also going on and
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  Speaker 3: off his mads. I think lithium was one of them.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, he fell out of the seven thirty floor
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  Speaker 3: of the Hotel Essex in New York, and yeah, there's
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  Speaker 3: just something doesn't sit well with me about that. He's
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  Speaker 3: definitely a musical genius. We found piece in his music,
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  Speaker 3: and he's that like my favorite singer, and he died
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  Speaker 3: too young, so I'd love to hear more about that.
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  Speaker 3: Take care.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks, Yes, Ricardo, you are right. Donnie Hathaway absolute genius.
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  Speaker 1: Some mystery around his death, but just such a tragedy, man,
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  Speaker 1: just a It's a sad story and a huge talent.
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  Speaker 1: And we do have an episode on Donnie Hathaway. It's
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  Speaker 1: back in the archive. You can check that out. Appreciate
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  Speaker 1: your call, Ricardo. Hope you doing okay, man, You sound
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  Speaker 1: like you're still grieving the death of Donnie Hathaway. Give
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  Speaker 1: us a call back anytimes. Six one, seven nine, six
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  Speaker 1: six six three eight. That goes for all y'all. You
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  Speaker 1: want to be part of the show seven nine six
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  Speaker 1: six six three eight. You can chime in on our
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  Speaker 1: question of the week. Next week's question of the week.
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  Speaker 1: As we get into the Motorhead episode is a little
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  Speaker 1: bit different. Motorhead was one of the first real concerts
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  Speaker 1: I saw, not the first I saw a handful before,
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  Speaker 1: but Motorhead was one of the first concerts where I
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  Speaker 1: felt truly in danger, even though it's with my dad's
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  Speaker 1: Motorhead and Slayer. In nineteen eighty six, I believe at
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  Speaker 1: the Orpheum in Boston, and I want to know from you, guys.
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  Speaker 1: Question of the week is going to be what was
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  Speaker 1: the first concert you attended? That's it, the first one
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  Speaker 1: that had It doesn't have to be that the very first.
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  Speaker 1: It just has to be the first one that had
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  Speaker 1: a real impact on you. I mentioned the Jay Giles
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  Speaker 1: concert I was at earlier with my stepdad nearly nearly
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  Speaker 1: beat down the dude who popped my balloon. That was
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  Speaker 1: Jay Giles and Zzy Top, I think, and I think
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  Speaker 1: it was probably about five years old Westboro Speedway. Perhaps
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember it. I don't remember it at all,
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  Speaker 1: but I remember that Motorhead concert very clearly. So question
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  Speaker 1: of the week for next week, what was your first
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  Speaker 1: concert that had a huge impact on you? Six one
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  Speaker 1: seven nine oh six sixty six three eight. In light
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  Speaker 1: of our motor Head story, hit us up, call us,
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  Speaker 1: leave us a voicemail like Ricardo, or send us a text.
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  Speaker 1: Let's check out this voicemail here from the six to
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  Speaker 1: seventy eight.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, Jake, this is Adrianna is in Rocky. Call in
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  Speaker 4: from the six seven eight. I actually just calling to
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  Speaker 4: leave you kind of like a recommendation one of my
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  Speaker 4: favorite fans all time favorite bands, which I think you
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  Speaker 4: might already be familiar with, but if not, they're from
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  Speaker 4: Massachusetts and they're around in the nineties and they are
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  Speaker 4: to me like top favorite, one of my favorite top
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  Speaker 4: favorite bands. And to me again, they're like the epitome
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  Speaker 4: of punk rock and they are the Kings of Nothing.
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  Speaker 4: So if you're not familiar with them.
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  Speaker 3: Check him out.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it'd be disappointed.
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  Speaker 1: All right, later, Adrian, I am resisting doing my soss
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  Speaker 1: Lorne and Brustin vision to Adrian, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: do that for you, Okay, ruins my voice. I love
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  Speaker 1: the recommendations. Thank you very much. Always come at me
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  Speaker 1: with whatever you got, and you're going to be very
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  Speaker 1: surprised to hear what I'm about to tell you right now, Adrian.
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  Speaker 1: Not only have I heard of Kings of Nothing, I
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  Speaker 1: was in Kings of Nothing. Okay, I was literally in
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  Speaker 1: the band. Here's the story. Prior to being called Kings
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  Speaker 1: of Nothing. They were the Boston Blackouts, tore Liam Necro, myself,
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  Speaker 1: Justin who I christened Justice, which he didn't like, and
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  Speaker 1: a couple others. I don't even remember it was a
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  Speaker 1: huge fucking band. Anyways, I sang in that band and
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  Speaker 1: played guitar. We did two gigs, two shows. They were epic.
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  Speaker 1: Guy got knifed and thrown out the window of the
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  Speaker 1: causeway for the first show we played. The second show
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  Speaker 1: we played was downstairs at the Middle East. I believe
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  Speaker 1: with the Shods, great great Boston punk band, Lowell punk band.
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  Speaker 1: I should say it'd be more accurate. And I quit
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  Speaker 1: after those two shows. It was way, way too intense.
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  Speaker 1: That's not why I quit. I quit because I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to go back to school and I wanted to I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to focus more on that and less on punk
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  Speaker 1: rock and rock and roll. When I quit, tour moved
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  Speaker 1: from upright base to being the front man and they
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  Speaker 1: went on to have a real career. Prior to that, again,
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  Speaker 1: we were called the Boston Blackouts and then they changed
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  Speaker 1: the name and yeah, that's what happened. We never recorded,
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  Speaker 1: but we did do those two gigs and they were
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  Speaker 1: they were insane. I think there was fire involved. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not even joking. And again guy gets stabbed and thrown
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  Speaker 1: out the window causeway. Chet's Last Call. That's what it
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  Speaker 1: was called prior to that, So there you go, Adrian,
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  Speaker 1: great call. I often forget about that band, and I
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't because it was a real moment in my life.
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  Speaker 1: It was wild. I have tons of wild stories, so
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  Speaker 1: as I'm sure you do as well. All right, let's
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: move on here. Let's go do some texts from the
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  Speaker 1: nine one nine text in I listened to your pod
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: on the stagnet culture. This is last week. We talked
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: about how culture has sort of stopped resetting every ten
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  Speaker 1: years like it used to do. And I'm not going
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: to go into the whole thing again, but if you
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  Speaker 1: want to listen to it, it's there for you're in
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  Speaker 1: the last after party and the texture here nine one
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  Speaker 1: nine says, Hey, I listened to your pod on the
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  Speaker 1: stagnant culture, and I thought I was just old and
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: out of touch with the culture until I moved my
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  Speaker 1: son out of his freshman college dorm a year ago.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: We're taking down Alison chains and South Park posters, and
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  Speaker 1: I realized my son was having the exact same college
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  Speaker 1: experience I did. I attended college from nineteen ninety two
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  Speaker 1: to nineteen ninety seven, when the last relevant culture shift
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: was happening. My daughter and I love to find good
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: new music and have been saved by bands like Mountjoy,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: back Seat Lovers, and Big Something. The first time I
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: saw Backseat Lovers live, I said, this is their generation's
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Kurt Cobaine. And the difference is that these great bands
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: play in front of two thousand people and seem to
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: make enough money from streaming to stay together. I like
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: that I can watch these bands in small venues, but
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: they won't be changing culture until music and media corporations
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: deem it profitable to back them. And nine one nine
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: you're spot on. I would add that it's it's kind
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: of yeah, I don't know if it's that they're I mean,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: part of it is they're not getting the big mainstream
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: push that certainly Nirvana got back in the day. But again,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: for all the reasons I said last week, culture and
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: media are just so different nowadays than they were back then.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: And yeah, there's a corporate stranglehold that just it deincentivizes
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: artists to create the way that artists in the past
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: were incentivized to create. That's part of it. There's a
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: lot of stuff going on. But I wanted to read
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: that text and I believe this miss this guy email
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: this as well. I wanted to read this because uh,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: nine one nine, I just you really perfectly summed up
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: the whole issue here. You're you're taking down posters from
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: your your son's dorm and they're the same posters you
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: had in your dorm on the same artists, same TV shows.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: It's wild, just wild. All right. Let's check out same subject,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: this one from the seven to four who writes and hey,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I got to disagree with you, Jake. I think Swift,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: that'd be Taylor. Swift is changing the culture. You see
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: the way young women are coming up and being social
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: media managers for sports teams and pulling the team girl long.
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  Speaker 1: I think Taylor speaks to that. She's certainly changing the
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: industry with her wrestling control from the labels and doing
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: what they can to limit that control. And I don't
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: think there's another person who is. But I do think
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Taylor is having a cultural influence, even if the culture
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: is her HARKing back to the nineties when she grew up.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Just in my opinion, Well, you know, I don't entirely
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: agree with you here, and I guess say I'm kind
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: of wrestling with this text and not knowing what to
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: do with it. Like on the one hand, I like
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: that I'm being challenged, and I want to acknowledge that.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I don't want to pretend to you guys that this
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: is just a big chorus of approval here where I
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: say something and you guys just parrot back what I say.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Oftentimes people disagree or have different takes, and I like that.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I encourage that. I think that's great. I want to
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: think through these things critically with you. But at the
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: same time, I don't want to sit here and be
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: arguing into the void when this person doesn't have a
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: forum right now to defend their argument. But I'll just
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: say I don't. I don't think Taylor Swift is changing
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: the culture. She's certainly influential when it comes to the
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: business side of it and record sales. I don't see
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of people beyond her sort of immediate demographic
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: of young women behaving any differently because of Taylor Swift.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: And as far as as far as her getting her
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: her songs back from the labels and ownership, that's that's
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: not anything new, and it really only happens to major artists,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: huge artists like this. Bruce Springsteen went through something very
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: similar once he became super successful. But it's not like
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: in Taylor's resting back control of her music that it
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: has created a sort of watershed moment for other artists
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: to do so. It hasn't. She's able to do it
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: because she is a she's an anomaly, She's an aberration.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: She's bigger than anyone else that said I, you know,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: you know hit me back here seven seven two four.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: I do take a lot of what you're saying here.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I do think she is influential on women coming up,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: like you say, but I don't entirely agree with your point.
• 22:12
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• 25:00
  Speaker 5: great Harrison Ford movies right off the top of my head,
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  Speaker 5: but like, what's the point because you've all seen them,
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  Speaker 5: you all you're gonna go nod your heads and be like, Yep,
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  Speaker 5: that's great, that's great. What I want to recommend and
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  Speaker 5: what I want to talk about are three great movies
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  Speaker 5: that Harrison Ford turned down, three great roles that he
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: movies he was not in. And Jake, I want to
• 25:18
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• 25:21
  Speaker 5: not those movies would have been better Okay with Harrison
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: Ford in them?
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, love this all right?
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: So number one JFK nineteen ninety one, directed by Oliver Stone.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: So Harrison Ford was up for the role of Jim Garrison,
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: which of course went to Kevin Costner. What do you
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: think about this movie with Harrison Ford as Jim Garrison.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I can't stop thinking of Harrison Ford and Kevin Bacon's
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: you a five looking piece of meat, miss of Gaston. Yeah, damn,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I love Kevin Costner in this role. Yeah, it's a
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: defining role for Kevin cost A Greed. I think it's
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: his best role. Actually, I think it's better than Field
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: of Dreams, better than The Untouchables. But Harrison Ford, Wow,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: he would have He would have brought a kind of
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: like like a meanness to it almost, you know, like
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: a like a pissiness. Yeah, uh yeah, he.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Would have been much more cynical. I think what works
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: for Kevin Costner is that there's something so like green
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: and aw shucks about him. Yeah know what I mean?
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: That I think really works as his character has sort
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: of plunged into this world of conspiracies and stuff, and
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: it would have it just would have been different with
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: Harrison Ford.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I think Harrison Ford would have been too cynical and
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't have It wouldn't have scanned right, and it
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have had the impact it had. So for that,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: even though I may have enjoyed Harrison Ford in it
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: more than Kevin Costner, I think the role in the
• 26:43
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  Speaker 1: next few weeks, I'll have two fantasy football drafts. That
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I'll have to prepare for. I had to say I'm
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: not happy about it. Who else plays fantasy football like
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I do, strictly out of social fomo? Okay? Who else
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: plays out of fomo? I don't like fantasy football. I
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: love it, but I also hate it. I don't like
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: playing it until I do. I don't like talking about
• 28:14
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• 28:16
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• 28:24
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  Speaker 1: pick am I going to get in my snake draft?
• 28:31
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• 28:42
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• 28:43
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• 28:45
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• 28:51
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• 28:57
  Speaker 1: watching for fantasy points on Sunday. I like defense over offense.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I like pounding ground games in illegal hits that were
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: legal in every decade except for this one. But still
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I play fantasy football because I'm a sucker. Man any
• 29:12
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• 29:15
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• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I do know. I'll be playing this fall for what
• 29:19
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• 29:21
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• 29:24
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• 29:26
  Speaker 1: in it, but yeah, I can't not be in it.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I want to be in it. I don't want to
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: miss anything. Okay, what the hell is wrong with Matt?
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: How'd I do well? Jake?
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: I got to say, you didn't make it in under
• 29:37
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• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Really think we should put that aside.
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: This week's ramp really seemed like a cry for help,
• 29:46
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• 29:52
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  Speaker 1: Okay, buddy, I knew I went too long. I knew it.
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