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Murdaugh Murders: Did Murdaugh Discard Bloody Clothes? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. What a morning in the courtroom.
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Speaker 1: I hope you have been listening to it live. I'm
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Speaker 1: telling you, you know, it's one thing to say, wow,
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Speaker 1: Alex Murdag got disbarred, or Alex Murdag stole from his clients,
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Speaker 1: But when you hear that witness on the stand. I
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Speaker 1: took down so many notes about how much money he stole,
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Speaker 1: and it was a very elaborate process where he would
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Speaker 1: create a fake Forge account. Forge is the name of
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Speaker 1: an actual business, but he created a fake Forge account
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Speaker 1: and he would funnel two hundred and seventy nine thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars settlement, two hundred and forty seven thousand dollars, seven
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars one hundred and eighty three
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Speaker 1: and goes on. I've got twenty settlements that he may
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Speaker 1: twenty awards for clients at least that all went into
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Speaker 1: his fake Forge account. And let me tell you something else.
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Speaker 1: That lady witness on the stand there was no love
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Speaker 1: lost between her and Alex Murdog. She was ready to
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Speaker 1: drop the hammer on him. And I only wonder if
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Speaker 1: the witness knew Maggie Murdoch because remember Maggie worked there
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Speaker 1: in the office as a bookkeeper. A lot more, a
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Speaker 1: lot of arguing between the lawyers. But boy, talk about
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Speaker 1: motive for murder. I mean, as he Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here at Fox
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Speaker 1: Nation and Series one eleven with me and All Star
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Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know right now.
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Speaker 1: But the big thing, the big bombshell, in addition to
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Speaker 1: all of this financial misdoing leading up to the murders
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Speaker 1: of Maggie and Paul. In addition to that, guys, I
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Speaker 1: consider this the single most important moment of the trial.
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Speaker 1: Finally somebody stands up and says it was Alex Murdog. Now,
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Speaker 1: I looked online last night and I saw all these
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Speaker 1: entries on Twitter and Facebook and Insta saying we're not
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Speaker 1: afraid here in Carleton County, We're not afraid of Alex Murdog.
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Speaker 1: But when I was sitting outside the courthouse and in
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Speaker 1: the courtroom and break, people would come up to me
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Speaker 1: and say, my best friend was in the jury pool
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Speaker 1: and she was afraid. She was afraid to be on
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Speaker 1: the jury. She was afraid that somehow Murdog would get
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Speaker 1: off and come after everybody on the jury. Then I
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Speaker 1: was at a restaurant eating dinner right one blot from
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Speaker 1: the courthouse, and another woman, a different woman came up
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Speaker 1: and told me, Yeah, the Murdog relatives, they're not talking.
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Speaker 1: We were with them two weekends ago. They don't even
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Speaker 1: bring it up because they're all scared they might have
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Speaker 1: to testify to something. But finally somebody did stand up
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Speaker 1: and say, I recognize that that's the voice of Alex
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Speaker 1: Murdog placing him at the crime scene. Somebody that wasn't
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Speaker 1: afraid to stand up and tell the truth. I want
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Speaker 1: you to listen to our cut two in November of
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Did law Enforce asked you to come
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Speaker 1: in and look at a video? They didn't. And did
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Speaker 1: you watch that video? I didn't? And what was on
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Speaker 1: that video? It was the video Paul was supposed to
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Speaker 1: take as cash was on the video? And did you
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Speaker 1: hear her recognize the voices on there? I didn't. Did
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Speaker 1: you recognize the voices of your second family? I didn't.
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Speaker 1: And what voices did you hear? Paul's Miss Maggie, miss Teller?
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Speaker 1: And how sure are you now positive that's one hundred
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Speaker 1: percent positive? And more? Take listen hour cut three voices.
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Speaker 1: Did you recognize on that video? Paul Murdle, Maggie Murdal,
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Speaker 1: and Alice Murdal. And how sure are you the person
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Speaker 1: whose voice you recognize on there that you identified as
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Speaker 1: Alec Murdole. Do you see him in the court room
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Speaker 1: here today? Tom, yes, sir? Can you point him out
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Speaker 1: for the jury? He's sitting right there, Gronor please let
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Speaker 1: the record reflect he's identified the defendant. What video are
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Speaker 1: they talking about? Well, if you are illegal legal, then
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Speaker 1: you know what video we're talking talking about. The murdered
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Speaker 1: son Paul murdog had a friend's dog. It was Rogan Gibson,
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Speaker 1: Rogie Gibson's dog, and there was something wrong with the
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Speaker 1: dog's tail. I've looked at the video. I don't see
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Speaker 1: anything wrong with the dog's tail, but they apparently do.
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Speaker 1: And in that moment, Rogie asks Paul, we'll look, take
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Speaker 1: a picture, take a video, and we're gonna give it
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Speaker 1: to this lady VT that we know, see if she
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Speaker 1: can figure out what it is by the video. That's
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Speaker 1: what we're talking about. And in the background you hear
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Speaker 1: a third voice, Paul Maggie his mother, and we believe
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Speaker 1: Alex Murdog. Okay, you take a listen and you hear
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Speaker 1: a distant third voice that, according to two witness witnesses,
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Speaker 1: is Alex Murdock. Significance, this is about a minute before
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Speaker 1: Paul and Maggie are murdered. Take a listen, get it
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Speaker 1: get back quick, cash quick comes ships Okay, hey your
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Speaker 1: burns now blah blah, Hey, buba, it's a guinea. There's
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Speaker 1: a chicken. Come I cash cash quick. And according to
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Speaker 1: not one but two witnesses, Rogi, Rogan Gibson and Will
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Speaker 1: Loving both say that is Alex Murdog, the accused killer.
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Speaker 1: With me an all star Pamela. But first I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: go to Kelly Skihan, who's been in the courtroom from
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Speaker 1: the get go with Fox Nation. Kelly, that was a
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Speaker 1: moment I will never forget. Describe to me what happened, because,
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Speaker 1: like so many moments where you and I are sitting
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Speaker 1: there literally on the edge of her seat, like those
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Speaker 1: two inches are going to make a difference listening, you
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Speaker 1: could have heard a pin drop in the courtroom. Tell
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Speaker 1: me about it, Kelly. Yeah, Nancy, you and I have
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Speaker 1: been in the courtroom for the last couple of days,
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Speaker 1: and this truly is out of a Hollywood movie. When
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Speaker 1: that video was played, everyone in the court was on
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Speaker 1: the edge of their seats. And something that I noticed
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Speaker 1: is Alex's family almost when they were taken it back.
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Speaker 1: Local reporting says that they actually confirmed that that was
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Speaker 1: Alec Murdock's voice on the tape before we even heard
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Speaker 1: it in court. His sister you can see her in
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Speaker 1: the feet almost grimacing. She knows that that is her
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Speaker 1: brother out. Kelly, I'm gonna push on the spot right
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Speaker 1: right now. You were with me at the restaurant the
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Speaker 1: other night and we were talking to friends of the
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Speaker 1: murdog family, and the person we were speaking with had
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Speaker 1: been with the Murdog's a few weeks before, and these
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Speaker 1: are second, second, third cousins, and they were afraid. They
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Speaker 1: didn't want to talk about it. They wouldn't speak about it.
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Speaker 1: They acted like nothing was happening because they're afraid. They
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Speaker 1: do not want to get involved. They're afraid, Nancy. And
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Speaker 1: we've even been speaking to sources on the ground here
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Speaker 1: where when one person starts talking, the other person literally
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Speaker 1: covers the other one's mouth. They don't want to be
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Speaker 1: connected to this case. They're still scared of the Murdoch's here,
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Speaker 1: whether it's the extended family or they're scared of if
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Speaker 1: Alec gets out, what's going to happen to them. No
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Speaker 1: one wants to talk, but even people. I was hearing
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Speaker 1: in court today that Alec Murdoch during jury selection, when
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Speaker 1: the were asking if they could form, you know, opinions
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Speaker 1: of this not form opinions of this case, and they
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Speaker 1: would say no, and they were dismissed. Alec would look
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Speaker 1: at them with this stare. So he definitely still has
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Speaker 1: his talents in this town. Well, Kelly, you just reminded
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Speaker 1: me of that. I saw that too. We were talking
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Speaker 1: to a witness, a person not on the witness list,
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Speaker 1: not that kind of witness. We were talking to someone
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Speaker 1: affiliated friends of the Murdogs, and the other person started
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Speaker 1: talking to us and telling us things we had never
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Speaker 1: heard before. And the other one, literally, as Kelly Skin
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Speaker 1: just told you, reached over and went and that was it,
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Speaker 1: no more talking, That was it. Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Guys today, we've heard a lot about financial miss deeds,
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Speaker 1: but I wanted you to hear that video and that sound. Um. Also,
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen now to a
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Speaker 1: Snapchat video take a listen video. So that was on
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Speaker 1: the afternoon or the evening of June seventh, twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 1: That's correct. Clothes that he was wearing at least in
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Speaker 1: that video you saw on the evening of June seventh,
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. Yeah, those are I mean, those are
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Speaker 1: the clothes I saw in the video. Long pants on
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Speaker 1: a shirt, yeah, yes, sir, and those particular shoes, yes, sir.
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Speaker 1: And you watched that video in real time when he
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Speaker 1: came in from Paul's phone that evening. Is that correct?
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Speaker 1: That is correct, guys. I'm very taken aback. We heard
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Speaker 1: rumors of this at the get go, but Kelley's skin
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Speaker 1: isn't true. That reportedly Alex Murdog had a wardrobe change,
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Speaker 1: that he was wearing one thing before the shootings and
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Speaker 1: something entirely different when police arrived after his nine one
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Speaker 1: one call. That is true. So in this snapchat video
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Speaker 1: you see Alec Murdock pushing over a tree and you
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Speaker 1: hear Pal Murdock in the background laughing. Alci Murdock is
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Speaker 1: wearing a blue short sleeves shirt and long pants. Then
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Speaker 1: when you see this video from inside of a police car,
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Speaker 1: later that night, when Alca's Meek interviewed by police about
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Speaker 1: what happened, he's in a short sleeve white under shirt
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Speaker 1: and shorts. We don't know where his clothes went from
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Speaker 1: earlier that night, and we don't know if we will
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Speaker 1: ever find them. Well, you know, Kelly, I'm glad you
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Speaker 1: put it like that, because we were just showing a
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Speaker 1: split screen of what he's wearing in the video that
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Speaker 1: afternoon is identified by Will Loving and what he was
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Speaker 1: wearing just a few hours later when police arrived, so
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Speaker 1: did Alex Murdog discard bloody clothes. In addition to my
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Speaker 1: Fox Nations senior producer who's been with me through thick
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Speaker 1: and thin, Kelly Skin also with us is a renowned attorney.
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Speaker 1: I know you've heard her name before, Amy Zimmerchek. Why
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Speaker 1: have you heard her name because she is the lawyer
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Speaker 1: for Curtis aka cousin Eddie Smith. As you will recall,
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Speaker 1: you first heard the name Curtis Eddie Smith when Alex
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Speaker 1: Murdog somehow mysteriously ended up on a rural road way
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Speaker 1: out of his way, and then an unknown stranger came
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Speaker 1: and shot him in the head, and miraculously he lived listen.
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Speaker 1: I got a flat tire stopped and somebody stopped to
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Speaker 1: help me, and when I turned my back, they tried
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Speaker 1: to shoot me. Oh okay, will you shot? Yes? But
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Speaker 1: oh man, I'm okay you shot where? Where? Will you shot? At? Hush?
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Speaker 1: Did they actually shoot you? They're tied to shoot you.
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Speaker 1: They shot me. Cousin Eddie is charged with assistant suicide,
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Speaker 1: assault and battery, on and on and on. Amy Zimmerchet,
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Speaker 1: You've got your work cut out for you. What is
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Speaker 1: the status of mister Smith's case right now? It is
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Speaker 1: still pending. All of his cases are still pending. The
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Speaker 1: he has take gran jury cases as well as local
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Speaker 1: Hampton County. The roadside shooting occurred in Hampton County and
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Speaker 1: so he's got a pending speedy trial motion there and
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Speaker 1: that has not been heard. Okay, that was really smart.
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Speaker 1: Tell you something that. Okay, jump in this morning in court,
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Speaker 1: I saw Alec Murdock's defense team walk in with a big, big,
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Speaker 1: big file and the label Eddie Smith on it. So
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Speaker 1: I think that he will be called to testify pretty soon. Here.
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Speaker 1: It's a witness and it is one that we are
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Speaker 1: definitely watching. Well, you know what, I don't know about that,
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Speaker 1: Kelly skin I think you're right, But I would always
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Speaker 1: walk into court with a big file what said defendens
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Speaker 1: rap sheet on it, just so they would know that's
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Speaker 1: what they were looking at. If he took the stand,
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Speaker 1: of course, they already knew that, that said. Back to
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Speaker 1: thank you, Kelly. Back to Amy Zimmerchek, the lawyer for
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Speaker 1: mister Curtis Smith. Amy, do you believe your client will
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Speaker 1: take some sort of a plea negotiation in exchange for
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Speaker 1: truthful testimony that has not been discussed? If my clients called,
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Speaker 1: he will testify truthfully? Well, of course, miss zimmercheck that
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Speaker 1: goes without saying that he will testify truthfully. Is he
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Speaker 1: actually a blood relative of Alex A. Murdog or is
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Speaker 1: this a nickname? Are they actually related? So his mother's
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Speaker 1: last name was Murdoch, so he's got but not a
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Speaker 1: direct relation. He's got a distant relation to the family.
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Speaker 1: Do you anticipate him taking the stand today or in
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Speaker 1: the near future. I know he has been subpoenaed as
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Speaker 1: a witness. He is definitely not taking the stand today.
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Speaker 1: I think that his testimony will likely depend on what
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Speaker 1: this judge rules. What Judge Newman rules, upon as far
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Speaker 1: as what is allowed either rest jes DA or with
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Speaker 1: potential four four B evidence, he mean he has been subpoena.
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Speaker 1: He is under subpoena, but I think that a lot
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Speaker 1: of what he could testify to will depend on the
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Speaker 1: judge's ruling. And from what I understood just as I
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Speaker 1: was watching right before the lunch break, it sounds like
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Speaker 1: the judge rightfully so to protect the record, is going
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Speaker 1: to have almost a mini trial where he listens to
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Speaker 1: this potential either rest jes DA or four four B
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Speaker 1: or a combination of both evidence before he decides to
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Speaker 1: present it to the jury, which I think does two things.
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Speaker 1: It probably changes the timeline on when or if my
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Speaker 1: client is called, and I think that it extends this
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Speaker 1: trial quite a few weeks. Well, we're all settled in.
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Speaker 1: I want to hear the whole truth, nothing but the truth.
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Speaker 1: I don't want a reader's digest version of what happened. Now.
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Speaker 1: Missus Zimmerchet with me is a well known lawyer, and
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Speaker 1: I mean that in a good way. Amy Zimmerchet representing
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Speaker 1: Curtis Edward Smith, who is accused of shooting murdog and
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Speaker 1: the head pre arranged in order to either take the
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Speaker 1: focus off the murders of Maggie and Paul, or to
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Speaker 1: make it appear as if his assailant had been the
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Speaker 1: shooters of Maggie and Paul, A different an alternative theory
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Speaker 1: going on amy question, of course, your client at this
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Speaker 1: juncture will not be able to testify about any of
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Speaker 1: is alleged involvement in the shooting of Alex Murdog. But
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Speaker 1: could it be called to the stand to recount under
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Speaker 1: oath what Alex Murdog may have told him about the
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Speaker 1: shootings of Maggie and Paul. I do believe that that
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Speaker 1: is probably a proper testimony, depending on even regardless of
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Speaker 1: what Judge Newman rules about the additional evidence or potential
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Speaker 1: bad acts or other bad acts. But I do believe
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Speaker 1: that the subject of anything that was said in relation
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Speaker 1: to that could be the subject of this trial. Let
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Speaker 1: me break it down in regular people talk. Curtis Eddie
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Speaker 1: Smith is accused of shooting Murdog and a staged event
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Speaker 1: they say to give life insurance benefits to the remaining
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Speaker 1: living son buster Murdog. I think it's a whole another
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Speaker 1: can of worms. Now, if he's called to the stand,
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Speaker 1: he can't talk about any of that under the Fifth
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Speaker 1: Amendment right to remain silent and not incriminate yourself. And
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Speaker 1: if he doesn't say it, I guarantee you Zimmerschek will
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Speaker 1: jump in and stop him from incriminating himself. But that
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Speaker 1: does not preclude him from testifying under oath in front
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Speaker 1: of the jury about any communications by Alec Murdog to
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Speaker 1: him about the murders of Maggie and Paul or anything
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Speaker 1: else touching on this court case. He can testify about that,
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Speaker 1: and he cannot get out from testifying about that by
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Speaker 1: the Fifth Amendment or any other protection. Guys, we're talking
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Speaker 1: about what is happening in court right now, and I
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Speaker 1: want you to take a listen. I'm telling you this
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Speaker 1: woman there's no love loss between this woman and Alex Murdog.
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Speaker 1: To my other guests whole type, I see you way,
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Speaker 1: but you've got to hear this our cut twelve. We
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Speaker 1: just heard it. Understand the epiphany that, oh my stars,
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Speaker 1: Alex Murdog is stealing. Can you believe that? Listen, you
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Speaker 1: were sitting in your office and you had a epiphany
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Speaker 1: or you know, just a thought. Let's just see what
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Speaker 1: these how many times Alex been his cases have check
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Speaker 1: going to Forge, Well, when you're speaking of Epiphany, I
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Speaker 1: had started digging through his client list for everything that
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Speaker 1: he'd brought in, and rather than going one by one,
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Speaker 1: Epiphany was, let me just run a payment ledger on Forge,
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Speaker 1: and he was, what that turns out rather than digging
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Speaker 1: one by one, okay? And what prompted you to do that?
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Speaker 1: Because I was trying to look to see if there
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Speaker 1: had been any more subtlements that had been written to
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Speaker 1: foolish like this other one with Hirshberger, so that we
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Speaker 1: could account for him and discuss how we were going
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Speaker 1: to handle them. And the look she gave Alex Lar like,
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I looks could kill. Now listen to
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Speaker 1: more of this witness and our cut eight. So on
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Speaker 1: June seventh, I was going to make another run at
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Speaker 1: finding out from Elik if we had the information. I
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Speaker 1: went upstairs to his offices on the second floor and
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Speaker 1: he was on a leaning on a file cabinet outside
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Speaker 1: of his office. He turned a look to me when
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Speaker 1: I came up and said, what do you need now
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Speaker 1: and gave me a very dirty look, not a look
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Speaker 1: that I'd ever received from Elik from just kind of
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Speaker 1: frustrated with me, look, which made me go, oh, you
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Speaker 1: want to know, let's go in your office. I told
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Speaker 1: him that I had reason to believe that he had
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Speaker 1: received the funds himself, and that I needed proof that
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Speaker 1: he had not received those fees himself. Yes, and I
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Speaker 1: needed proof that they're not. Yes. What did he tell you?
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Speaker 1: He told me again, he assured me that the money
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Speaker 1: was there and that he could get it. And at
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Speaker 1: that point I said, I know that. I said, I'm
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Speaker 1: just trying to do my job, and if I don't
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Speaker 1: get this paperwork and verify that with these questions, I'm
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Speaker 1: not doing my job. You actually acted like he respected
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Speaker 1: that and again said that that money was there and
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Speaker 1: that he again was trying to decide what he was
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Speaker 1: going to be doing with it. So he assured her
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Speaker 1: the money was there, but guess what, it wasn't there.
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Speaker 1: We're about to play our cut eleven. What happened to
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Speaker 1: all the money? I'm talking about big money settlements, one
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Speaker 1: of them off the top of my head, Kelly, jump
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Speaker 1: in if I've got the numbers wrong. There is one
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Speaker 1: for one point two million dollars one hundred and twenty
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Speaker 1: five thousand, one hundred and eighty three thousand, three hundred
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Speaker 1: and thirty eight thousand. I've got so many numbers here,
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Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty thousand. It goes on and on
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Speaker 1: and on. Kelly, did you add all that up while
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Speaker 1: she was talking? I did not add it up while
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Speaker 1: she was talking. But we have heard that that number
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Speaker 1: is up to ten million dollars. And I have to
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Speaker 1: tell you something that happened during a break. As we
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Speaker 1: are going through these financial crimes line by line by
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Speaker 1: line by line, Alec Murdock's defense attorney, Dick Harputlian stands
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Speaker 1: up and looks at Eric Bland, who is representing Eric
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Speaker 1: representing the family of Gloria Saderfield, the Murdoch family nanny
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Speaker 1: who died in a trip and fall. He looks at
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Speaker 1: Eric Bland and says, quote, none of this shi t matters.
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Speaker 1: So as the prosecution is laying out this case against
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Speaker 1: Alec Murdock for all of these white collar crimes, allegedly,
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Speaker 1: his defense is saying, Oh, it doesn't matter, it's fine,
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Speaker 1: it's fine. He's stealing from what Kley skid you just said,
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Speaker 1: a white collar crime. And you know what Alex Murdog
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Speaker 1: Mattie's will have just gotten a gun and hailed into
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Speaker 1: the hand of his clients. Just think about it, Kelly.
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Speaker 1: Let's just say your mom or your dad is in
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Speaker 1: a crash and they have life changing, life changing damages.
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Speaker 1: Maybe they have a problem walking, maybe they can never
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Speaker 1: go back to work again, they're on disability forever. And
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Speaker 1: then Murdai gets a nice little sentiment from one point
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Speaker 1: two million dollars. And then every time you call him
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Speaker 1: on the phone, you, Kelly, you're paying your mom and
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Speaker 1: your dad's way, you're paying their house payment, you're paying
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Speaker 1: their car payment, you're paying for their groceries, everything, And
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Speaker 1: he keeps saying, well, it's coming, it's coming, you know what,
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Speaker 1: you know what, Just come on and rob me, put
23:46
Speaker 1: a gun to my face, don't sneak around and steal
23:50
Speaker 1: my money. So when you say white collar crime, he
23:54
Speaker 1: stole money from these people, and the law firm found out,
23:59
Speaker 1: and the law firm had to cover it. Guys, take
24:03
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut eleven. Let's talk about the
24:06
Speaker 1: Badger case. What was the total settlement in that particular
24:10
Speaker 1: case three point one million. What was the attorney fee
24:14
Speaker 1: that he received in that settlement? He received one million,
24:17
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty thousand dollars the firm firm that
24:21
Speaker 1: would be ultimately on his books at the end of
24:23
Speaker 1: the year, it would be credited him. What else did
24:25
Speaker 1: Elek take one million, three hundred and twenty five thousand
24:29
Speaker 1: dollars and how did he how did he all go
24:31
Speaker 1: about doing that? Um checks for Pebble Palmetta State Bank
24:36
Speaker 1: that were then converted into personal items. And down here
24:43
Speaker 1: we have Palmetta State Bank payment to fund structure for
24:46
Speaker 1: client request. Is that right? That's right? And that's the
24:49
Speaker 1: one point three to five million, that's correct? And did
24:52
Speaker 1: that go to the client? Now? In an email to
24:55
Speaker 1: Elk which was forwarded to me and my accounting staff
24:58
Speaker 1: asking if we could read cut the one point three
25:01
Speaker 1: million dollar check into four different checks and they were
25:05
Speaker 1: made out to what entity? Palmeta State Bank? And then
25:08
Speaker 1: after they were made out the Palmeta State Bank, what
25:11
Speaker 1: happened to them? They got converted to personal usage for
25:14
Speaker 1: Alick Murdock's benefit, personal usage for Alex Murdock's benefit for
25:21
Speaker 1: what what was he doing with all that money? Was
25:26
Speaker 1: it drugs? Was it gambling? Was that other women millions
25:31
Speaker 1: and millions of dollars? And why did the other partners
25:34
Speaker 1: stand by and let it happen. Did nobody notice what
25:38
Speaker 1: was going on? Take a listen. I were cut nine
25:41
Speaker 1: on the morning of Friday, September three at Lee Cove's house,
25:45
Speaker 1: with the majority of the partners and myself present. We
25:49
Speaker 1: discussed what we had found and showed everybody the documentation
25:52
Speaker 1: that we had recovered, and then the choice was made.
25:56
Speaker 1: We needed to talk to Alec that it looked like
25:59
Speaker 1: he had stolen and it is my understanding that Elik
26:02
Speaker 1: admitted it and that it was determined he would resign.
26:06
Speaker 1: I think he tried to do a few other things
26:08
Speaker 1: before resigning, but we made him resign. I wonder what
26:12
Speaker 1: she meant by do a few other things. Now, this
26:15
Speaker 1: is where Amy Zimmerchek, high profile lawyer for Curtis cousin
26:20
Speaker 1: Eddie Smith, comes in. Wait for it, Amy, take a listen.
26:25
Speaker 1: Just as they're trying to iron out all of Alex
26:28
Speaker 1: and Murdog's stealing and buzzling outright just taking right out
26:33
Speaker 1: of the bank accounts of his clients. Take a listen
26:36
Speaker 1: to our cut ten. The next thing I heard about
26:39
Speaker 1: Elik was Elik had been shot and had it was
26:42
Speaker 1: being flown out to Savannam, was that on the side
26:45
Speaker 1: of the road at Old Salkahatchie. That's what's the first
26:48
Speaker 1: thing you thought when you heard he had been shot.
26:52
Speaker 1: You know, nobody knew what to think. A lot of
26:55
Speaker 1: thoughts went through, but fear went through. Was this retaliation
26:59
Speaker 1: was and something bigger that was going to get more
27:03
Speaker 1: of us in trouble and just fear. You know, Robert Crispin,
27:08
Speaker 1: former homicide detective Miami Field Division, now at Crispin Investigations
27:13
Speaker 1: dot com. You know, Robert, if I heard God forbid
27:18
Speaker 1: that you were shot on the side of the road,
27:20
Speaker 1: my first thought would not be, Oh, is this part
27:23
Speaker 1: of a bigger crime? Is this retaliation for wrongdoing by
27:27
Speaker 1: Robert Crispin? But this lady and she's just telling the truth.
27:32
Speaker 1: They ow, oh, oh, oh, what's this about? They immediately thought, well,
27:39
Speaker 1: you know what, somebody got him back for all the well,
27:42
Speaker 1: I promise I quit cursing when the twins were born,
27:45
Speaker 1: for all the let me just say Shenanigans that Alex
27:49
Speaker 1: Murdogg had pulled. That's their first thought. Crispin. Well, yeah,
27:53
Speaker 1: so let's talk about this witness who's testifying today. First,
27:56
Speaker 1: what a solid witness and the defense is going to
27:59
Speaker 1: have big time problem with her. And she is going
28:04
Speaker 1: case by case, client by client and showing the theft.
28:08
Speaker 1: And again it goes back to digital evidence. This is
28:10
Speaker 1: digital evidence. You're not getting out of this. It comes
28:14
Speaker 1: back to him. Now, let's speed things up. Let's go
28:16
Speaker 1: to the attempted suicide. You know what really hurts him
28:20
Speaker 1: on that and law enforcement. I guarantee you from the
28:23
Speaker 1: time they showed up, knew that something was up with this.
28:26
Speaker 1: In his nine one one call, what does he do.
28:29
Speaker 1: He starts to talk about his alibi. He doesn't talk
28:31
Speaker 1: about being shot in the head until several seconds deep
28:34
Speaker 1: inside the nine one one operator even asked him, have
28:38
Speaker 1: you been shot? And there's a pause and they says, yeah,
28:41
Speaker 1: in the head. I'm sorry. I've listened to thousands of
28:46
Speaker 1: nine one one calls and I've responded to several shootings.
28:50
Speaker 1: Listen to the nine one one call. People are screaming
28:52
Speaker 1: I've been shot, I've been shot, or they're trying to
28:55
Speaker 1: scream out what their offender looks like. You know, put
28:58
Speaker 1: your alibi up front. That's exactly what happened here. This
29:01
Speaker 1: is exactly what happened during one of his first two interviews.
29:05
Speaker 1: Notice he's a former prosecutor. He always puts that alibi
29:08
Speaker 1: out front first, because you know, if I had been
29:11
Speaker 1: shot and I was afraid I was dying, the first
29:14
Speaker 1: thing I've said would not be Hey, I got a
29:17
Speaker 1: flat tire. That's not how that would normally go down.
29:20
Speaker 1: And remember his then lawyer told everybody that he had
29:23
Speaker 1: had horrendous life changing injuries with a brain injury. Then
29:30
Speaker 1: he showed up with a band aid, a flesh colored
29:34
Speaker 1: band aid. Now this is where Amy Zimmerchek comes in. Amy, again,
29:40
Speaker 1: you've got your work cut out for you. I do
29:43
Speaker 1: not envy you at all, but that's why you have
29:45
Speaker 1: such a good reputation. He managed to somehow turn lemons
29:49
Speaker 1: into lemonade every time. Amy, your client, Curtis Edward Smith,
29:54
Speaker 1: stands accused of shooting Alex murdog at murdoch request, let
30:04
Speaker 1: me ask you this. When your client comes before this jury,
30:10
Speaker 1: and we have every reason to think that he is,
30:13
Speaker 1: what is his potential testimony. Well, certainly I can't devolde
30:18
Speaker 1: any attorney client privilege. I think that that you know,
30:21
Speaker 1: will I think that what Depending on what the judge's
30:26
Speaker 1: ruling comes in. I think that what you'll see and
30:29
Speaker 1: what you'll and hopefully what the jury will begin to understand,
30:32
Speaker 1: it's just like you've already picked up is the rest
30:35
Speaker 1: jest date. Is the is the background behind what kind
30:38
Speaker 1: of person says and does things over and over and
30:42
Speaker 1: how they do them, and why they do them, why
30:45
Speaker 1: they go into into it self protection mode or an
30:48
Speaker 1: alibi mode. And I do believe that if it's argued
30:51
Speaker 1: correctly by the prosecution, that that does fall squarely within
30:55
Speaker 1: the rest jes da, within the why do we have
30:58
Speaker 1: to bring this information in? Because it's not just about
31:01
Speaker 1: one incident. It's not just about the financial crime, it's
31:03
Speaker 1: not just about you know, the roadside shooting incident. It's
31:07
Speaker 1: about all of these things together and what they did
31:11
Speaker 1: to in the mind of Alec Murdoch to have a
31:16
Speaker 1: fland here in front of those twelve jurors that are
31:18
Speaker 1: going to make that DECI rest jes da, of course,
31:21
Speaker 1: is a Latin phrase that lawyers throw around, and what
31:25
Speaker 1: it means very simply is the facts and circumstances that
31:29
Speaker 1: are so intimately connected to the crime itself. It could
31:34
Speaker 1: be hearsay, but it's rest jest da. It said basically
31:40
Speaker 1: at the time or just before or surrounding the crime.
31:46
Speaker 1: That is an exception to the hearsay rule. There are
31:48
Speaker 1: many exceptions to the hearsay rule, but it is allowed
31:52
Speaker 1: in because it is rest jest da. It kind of
31:54
Speaker 1: helps explain the nature of the crime, and it is
31:59
Speaker 1: allowed into evidence. So you know, first of all, we
32:03
Speaker 1: got to look at the actual injury to Alex Murdog
32:07
Speaker 1: that afternoon on that rural road. And two, I mean,
32:10
Speaker 1: you gotta wonder if he would arrange that shooting, what
32:15
Speaker 1: else would he do. I want to go to you,
32:18
Speaker 1: doctor Michelle Duprie. He's joining me there in South Carolina.
32:21
Speaker 1: Former forensic pathologists, medical examiner, detective and author of Homicide
32:26
Speaker 1: Investigation Field Guide. She said, d Michelle dupremd dot com.
32:31
Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle, thank you for being with us. Do you
32:33
Speaker 1: remember when you and I looked at Alex and Murdogg's
32:37
Speaker 1: so called brain injury It was a band aid, It
32:41
Speaker 1: was a joke, Nancy, I do remember that. And whoever
32:44
Speaker 1: supposedly tried to shoot you, they need remedio markin. Yeah,
32:48
Speaker 1: you know that, Amy Zimmrichet, you might mention that to
32:50
Speaker 1: Curtis Eddie Smith, that he needs to go take a
32:52
Speaker 1: little time at the target at the arrange because he
32:56
Speaker 1: was meaning to kill Murdog. He's a bad shot. But
33:01
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm glad he's in a court of
33:03
Speaker 1: law right now so we can get some answers. Kelly
33:06
Speaker 1: Skein is joining me right now. Fox Nation producer for
33:09
Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Kelly. Of course, the jury did not hear
33:13
Speaker 1: everything that was happening today. Correct, No, they did not
33:16
Speaker 1: hear there was so yesterday. What happened is Jim Griffin,
33:19
Speaker 1: Alec Murdock's defense attorney asked Paul Murdoch's friend, could you
33:23
Speaker 1: think of any reason why Alec Murdock would kill his
33:26
Speaker 1: wife and son? The friend said no. But essentially, Alec
33:30
Speaker 1: Murdock's own defense team kicked out door wide open for
33:33
Speaker 1: all of this other evidence on other crimes to be
33:36
Speaker 1: admitted into court to talk about Alec Murdock's character. So
33:40
Speaker 1: you can imagine he's probably not too happy with his
33:42
Speaker 1: defense team in this very moment. Okay, Kelly, slow it
33:47
Speaker 1: down and repeat one more time. Why this is happening.
33:52
Speaker 1: All of the witnesses, the witness that you're just seeing
33:54
Speaker 1: talking about financial misdoings. In other words, stealing, siponing, embezzling
34:03
Speaker 1: millions of dollars from his law firm. As I heard
34:07
Speaker 1: that witness describe it a brotherhood of lawyers from me,
34:11
Speaker 1: his brotherhood of lawyers from his clients that trusted him.
34:15
Speaker 1: How did this happen? Because typically we wouldn't see this.
34:20
Speaker 1: You were talking about opening a door. Tell me again
34:23
Speaker 1: and slowly, my what exactly happened? Sure? So, yesterday, when
34:27
Speaker 1: Paul Murdoch's friend was on the stand, Alec Murdock's defense
34:31
Speaker 1: attorney asked him, can you think of any reason why
34:33
Speaker 1: Alec Murdoch would kill his own wife and son? The
34:36
Speaker 1: friend said no, But that opened the door for the
34:39
Speaker 1: state to ask a question about did you know anything
34:42
Speaker 1: about the financial crimes? They said no. The defense team objected.
34:46
Speaker 1: The judge called the objection totally inappropriate and said we
34:49
Speaker 1: would address it this morning in court. We did, But
34:52
Speaker 1: none of these arguments can be heard in front of
34:53
Speaker 1: a jury because technically the case that they're hearing right
34:56
Speaker 1: now is the murder child. They are not hearing about
35:00
Speaker 1: Alec Murdock's financial crime. So the state and the defense
35:03
Speaker 1: teams are going back and forth on whether any of
35:05
Speaker 1: this will be admitted in front of a jury, and
35:08
Speaker 1: we don't know if the jury will hear any of
35:10
Speaker 1: this yet, Kelly, where is the jury during all this?
35:13
Speaker 1: They're in the break room. They were waiting for lunch.
35:15
Speaker 1: The judge dismissed them, the bailiffs took them out, and
35:18
Speaker 1: they're waiting. Okay, you know, Amy's zimmerchick. This is why
35:23
Speaker 1: people hate lawyers, well, one of the many reasons they
35:25
Speaker 1: hate lawyers. They have been sitting and that jury room,
35:29
Speaker 1: which is a very small about the side of somebody's
35:31
Speaker 1: dining room, waiting to come in court while the lawyers
35:35
Speaker 1: do this. I swear, Amy, and I don't know if
35:37
Speaker 1: you agree with me or not. Whenever that would happen
35:40
Speaker 1: to me, I would tell the other side, you know what,
35:43
Speaker 1: we need to do this after we let the jury
35:44
Speaker 1: go home and not have them sitting in a room
35:48
Speaker 1: waiting for us to figure out what to do with
35:50
Speaker 1: the evidence, because I think that's a huge miscarriage for
35:54
Speaker 1: the jury to have to sit there and twiddle their
35:57
Speaker 1: thumbs while the lawyers duke get out in court. They
35:59
Speaker 1: should have done that less night. But did you hear
36:01
Speaker 1: Amy zimmercheck when Kelly Skin said, I mean I'm not
36:05
Speaker 1: sure which defense lawyer it was that asked this question,
36:08
Speaker 1: but I mean, really, are you serious that they really
36:11
Speaker 1: asked this question to a state's witness. Amy, can you
36:17
Speaker 1: think of any reason that Alex Bardo I would shoot
36:21
Speaker 1: his wife and son? Well, heck yeah, I could think
36:24
Speaker 1: of a lot of reasons. They opened the door, Amy Zimmercheck,
36:30
Speaker 1: I believe that they not opened the door. I believe
36:33
Speaker 1: that they fully kicked it open, and not just with
36:36
Speaker 1: the second witness. I felt like Creton Waters almost missed
36:39
Speaker 1: an opportunity. Jim Griffin did the questioning of both of
36:42
Speaker 1: these boys, and that's what they are. They're very young
36:45
Speaker 1: men and there I know that this is hard for
36:47
Speaker 1: them because they are close with the family and this
36:49
Speaker 1: is difficult. But when Jim asked Rogan, you know, can
36:55
Speaker 1: you think of any reason? And I was yelling at
36:58
Speaker 1: Creton through the computer, like, oh my gosh, he just
37:02
Speaker 1: gave you all the reasons all to bring him up.
37:05
Speaker 1: Ask him about all of them. He said that he
37:07
Speaker 1: knew him very well. He asked him that twice. He
37:10
Speaker 1: could have gone into that, but what he did was
37:12
Speaker 1: waited till the second witness. And I do believe that
37:15
Speaker 1: that was a huge, huge mistake on the defense. I was,
37:18
Speaker 1: I was in trial earlier this week, and there was
37:22
Speaker 1: an opportunity that I had to be very careful with
37:24
Speaker 1: the questions that I crafted on cross because I didn't
37:27
Speaker 1: want to open that door to these other potential bad
37:31
Speaker 1: acts or these other reasons or these other things. And
37:34
Speaker 1: the defense absolutely did that. And I believe that that
37:38
Speaker 1: was a huge mistake. Oh my goodness, Amy's immertrate. Let
37:41
Speaker 1: me tell you something. Whenever that would happened to me,
37:44
Speaker 1: I could not even sit at my seat. I would
37:47
Speaker 1: jump up immediately and tell my investigator, go get this person,
37:51
Speaker 1: that person, this person, this person, bring me this, bring
37:53
Speaker 1: me that they've opened the door. Hell has broken loose.
37:57
Speaker 1: And I guarantee you that they well, I don't guarantee you,
38:01
Speaker 1: but I bet one of the reasons the state didn't
38:05
Speaker 1: jump on it right then is they don't want to mistrial.
38:09
Speaker 1: I would have set the jury out and said they
38:12
Speaker 1: opened the door, judge. And I'm fixing to walk through
38:16
Speaker 1: it with all of my witnesses and all of my
38:18
Speaker 1: evidence as to motive right now, because let me explain,
38:23
Speaker 1: any non lawyers, real easy lawyers want to make it
38:26
Speaker 1: sound hard. It's not hard. Under our constitution, a case
38:31
Speaker 1: cannot be tried on somebody's bad reputation. No, the jury
38:35
Speaker 1: doesn't know that you did this, and you did that,
38:37
Speaker 1: and you had a duy and you cheated on your
38:40
Speaker 1: wife and blah blah blah. No, they only hear the
38:43
Speaker 1: facts regarding the case in chief, what you were charged with.
38:48
Speaker 1: They don't want to take the jury with other bad
38:51
Speaker 1: acts unless and until the defense brings it up and
38:56
Speaker 1: tries to say there was no motive, was there? Oh yeah,
39:00
Speaker 1: there's a motive, all right, And then the steak can
39:02
Speaker 1: come back guns ablazing, tailing the jury all about motive.
39:09
Speaker 1: And that is what has happened here, Kelly, Which defense
39:14
Speaker 1: lawyer did that? Who opened the door? It's interesting you
39:19
Speaker 1: asked that it was defense attorney to Jim Griffin. And
39:22
Speaker 1: up until this point, we've really seen Dick Harpultan asking
39:25
Speaker 1: many of the questions. But he's been getting a lot
39:28
Speaker 1: of criticism for kind of bumbling through this trial. He's
39:30
Speaker 1: a very high priced attorney, has a very good reputation,
39:34
Speaker 1: but really isn't kind of showing his stuff in court.
39:37
Speaker 1: So we've seen him at the table and Jim Griffin
39:40
Speaker 1: doing more of this line of questioning, and also Alec
39:43
Speaker 1: Murdock has been playing a big role in his own defense.
39:46
Speaker 1: We see him conferring with his attorneys before the jury
39:49
Speaker 1: comes in during court every day. But the lawyer who
39:52
Speaker 1: specifically asked that question was Jim Griffin. Crime Stories with
40:13
Speaker 1: Nancy grace Hey. Robert Crispin joining me, former homicide detective
40:18
Speaker 1: formerly with d O J. Crispin Investigations dot Com. Robert,
40:24
Speaker 1: did you hear the witness talking about the financial missdoing?
40:28
Speaker 1: Jane Secondary and she's just come off the stand. I
40:31
Speaker 1: don't think they're done with her yet. By the way,
40:33
Speaker 1: the CFO of the Murdog Law firm, and she said
40:38
Speaker 1: she came upon Alex Murdog and he gave her this
40:43
Speaker 1: dirty look. Robert, can I tell you the look, the
40:49
Speaker 1: piercing looks he was giving jurars. I think it really
40:55
Speaker 1: made an impact on them. Yeah, a pivotal moment for
41:01
Speaker 1: him and her. When she said, well, let's just go
41:03
Speaker 1: into your office and I'll tell you what's going on.
41:05
Speaker 1: I think at that point he probably realized I've got
41:09
Speaker 1: problems and this girl knows, and I'm gonna be honest
41:11
Speaker 1: with you. Nancy. This witness, if there was a list
41:15
Speaker 1: of people to eliminate, potentially could be on that list,
41:19
Speaker 1: because it sounds to me like she did her own
41:21
Speaker 1: investigation and she found a lot of stuff. And I
41:24
Speaker 1: think at that moment that was the pivotal moment that
41:28
Speaker 1: he realized I've got problems, and I think the perfect
41:31
Speaker 1: storm started to come together and it started to all
41:34
Speaker 1: fall apart. Well, another thing, Amy's immerchet with me high
41:38
Speaker 1: profile lawyer who is representing Curtis aka Eddie Edward Smith.
41:45
Speaker 1: This goes back to Murdoch getting shot in the head
41:48
Speaker 1: on a rural road. I don't know how familiar you
41:51
Speaker 1: are with the Murdog Law firm, or if you know
41:54
Speaker 1: the lawyers within the Murdog Law firm, but I'm wondering
41:57
Speaker 1: if this witness, Miss Jane Inger, is very articulate, She's calm, poised,
42:05
Speaker 1: and she never breaks. I wonder if she knew Maggie.
42:10
Speaker 1: I mean, she had to know Maggie. I know that
42:13
Speaker 1: they were a very close knit PMPE, which was the
42:17
Speaker 1: old law firm before now it's the Parker Law Group.
42:21
Speaker 1: But I believe that they were all very close. I
42:24
Speaker 1: think that you know, not only did her husband work there,
42:28
Speaker 1: but her brother in law, Randy Murdoch, and for quite
42:32
Speaker 1: some time her father in law, Randolph what they call handsome.
42:37
Speaker 1: They were all, you know, they were all a very
42:39
Speaker 1: close knit group. And I think that that's probably a
42:44
Speaker 1: little bit of her anger in her hurt, is that
42:48
Speaker 1: all of this is happening and she's learning about all
42:51
Speaker 1: of these things, and I would be frustrated in an
42:54
Speaker 1: upset as well. I wonder if they realized that the
42:58
Speaker 1: name PMP sounds like pimpy. That's just me, is that
43:04
Speaker 1: you doctor Michelle Duprey jumping in Quartier. She was talking
43:07
Speaker 1: about how they would switch on and off from you know,
43:10
Speaker 1: being co workers to being more like friends and family.
43:13
Speaker 1: And I think Amy said this earlier. It really was
43:15
Speaker 1: like a brotherhood. And in the middle of the CFO
43:18
Speaker 1: confronting Alec Murdoch about these funds, she still was saying
43:22
Speaker 1: that she was giving him the benefit of the doubt
43:24
Speaker 1: and thought that these funds existed somewhere else, that he
43:27
Speaker 1: had put them in another account. She never thought, oh,
43:30
Speaker 1: he blew through all of this money and stole all
43:32
Speaker 1: of our clients money. Never, well, we're going to hear
43:36
Speaker 1: a total and I believe it's between seven and eight
43:39
Speaker 1: million dollars that they know of that was stole, not
43:43
Speaker 1: only from the law firm itself, but from the clients.
43:48
Speaker 1: And what it's going to boil down to is motive
43:52
Speaker 1: for murder. I want to go to doctor Michelle Duprie
43:56
Speaker 1: joining me pathologists, medical examiner, and this is important former detective,
44:01
Speaker 1: author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide, Doctor dupris, I have
44:06
Speaker 1: seen murders over five dollars. I've seen a murder of
44:12
Speaker 1: a mother, a woman sitting outside on her porch over
44:17
Speaker 1: a drug deal, a neighbor maid. I just thinks you
44:22
Speaker 1: would never imagine someone would think worthy of a murder.
44:27
Speaker 1: But here we see the law firm has asked him
44:31
Speaker 1: to leave. Everything's coming out, his alleged drug problem, just
44:38
Speaker 1: so many things are happening, his swimming in debt, and
44:42
Speaker 1: now his wife wants a divorce and she's going to
44:46
Speaker 1: find out all about his financial misdeeds, and they don't
44:49
Speaker 1: have any money left. Motive for a murder. I guess
44:53
Speaker 1: you've seen murders for a lot less than that. Doctor
44:56
Speaker 1: Michelle dupris absolutely Nancy, and you know we keep hearing
44:58
Speaker 1: that this is a distraction, and that the pretty much
45:01
Speaker 1: the whole motivation was a distraction from these financial crimes.
45:05
Speaker 1: But I don't think that's exactly true when we look
45:07
Speaker 1: at this everything that you've just said. You know, there's
45:10
Speaker 1: a divorce going on. She may have actually found I mean,
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Speaker 1: she was a bookkeeper at some point in time. She
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Speaker 1: may have told Alex that if she didn't get a divorce,
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Speaker 1: she would expose that. And also his son, Paul, He's
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Speaker 1: been a problem for a long time. He's always been
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Speaker 1: in trouble. So I think there are multiple reasons here
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Speaker 1: for Alex who have possibly snapped and committed these murders,
45:31
Speaker 1: allegedly committed these murders. You know. Another issue is the
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Speaker 1: hearings and the Mallory Beach death, which you all knows
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Speaker 1: the team girl that was on the boat with Paul Murdog.
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Speaker 1: He was drunk and speeding. He slammed into cement pilings
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Speaker 1: and she goes flying off she died. Hearing is regarding
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Speaker 1: that we're gearing up the divorce, the law firm, the money,
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Speaker 1: the drugs, it was all imploding. But you know, to me,
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Speaker 1: he seems like the kind of person. Let me ask
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Speaker 1: you this, Robert Crispin, You've seen so many criminals that
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Speaker 1: he was always finding a way to wiggle out of anything.
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Speaker 1: And I wonder if that day, don't get mad about this,
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Speaker 1: Amy zimmer Check, the day that he allegedly had Curtis
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Speaker 1: Edward Smith shoot him, I wonder if it was planned
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Speaker 1: for him to be shot on the side of his head,
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Speaker 1: maybe cousin Edie was a lot better shot than we know,
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Speaker 1: and not actually kill him and then make it appear
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Speaker 1: that the assailant who shot him was the same person
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Speaker 1: that shot Paul and Maggie. Yeah. Well, as an investigator,
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Speaker 1: we call that a diversion. And if they wanted to
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Speaker 1: shoot him in the head and kill him on the
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Speaker 1: side of the road while he's on his knees changing
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Speaker 1: his tire, that would have happened, trust me. So it
46:56
Speaker 1: was a diversion. As an investigator, I'm gonna tell you
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Speaker 1: they probably all that as soon as they walked up.
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Speaker 1: They knew everything that's been kind of going on already.
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Speaker 1: Then they listened to that nine one one call. It
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Speaker 1: just didn't fit. And this is why this is all started. Crispin.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, we're running out of time and we haven't
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Speaker 1: even gotten to discuss the change of wardrobe. Guys, can
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Speaker 1: I see that two screen you showed early? It was
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Speaker 1: so awesome, Thank you for making that. You see Alex
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Speaker 1: Murdog outside wearing one outfit and they're obviously looking there
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Speaker 1: you go with a tree falling over and I think
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Speaker 1: you can hear Paul in the background as well. And
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Speaker 1: then just a couple of hours later, whoa, there is
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Speaker 1: in a very clean shirt with the blood spatters on it.
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Speaker 1: What happened to those other clothes? Where are they? Did
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Speaker 1: Murdog discard bloody clothes? Okay? Kelly Ski and Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: senior producer joining us at the courthouse. What about it, Kelly?
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Speaker 1: We have no idea where these clothes are, Nancy. But
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Speaker 1: something that we will definitely hear more about in this
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Speaker 1: trial is the infamous rat that had gunshot residue found
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Speaker 1: on the inside, and it was found at Alec Murdoch's
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Speaker 1: mom's house. So where the clothes are from the snapchat
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Speaker 1: video nobody knows. But what we do know and what
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Speaker 1: we are expecting to hear a lot more about this
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Speaker 1: is an explosive piece of evidence that the State House
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Speaker 1: is that there was gunshot residue on the inside of
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Speaker 1: a raincoat that Alec Murdoch somehow had placed at his
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Speaker 1: mother's house, as well as on the seat belt of
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Speaker 1: his car. You know, I like what you just did there, Keilly.
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Speaker 1: Skin You may want to consider future in the legal field,
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Speaker 1: because I asked you what happened those clothes and you
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Speaker 1: immediately went to the raincoat that was found covered in
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Speaker 1: gunshot residue that a witness says Alex Murdog bundled up
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Speaker 1: its stuffed somewhere at his mother's house. So I'm wondering, Kelly,
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Speaker 1: because I did not catch it in opening statements. But
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Speaker 1: did the prosecutor mentioned to the jury in openings that
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Speaker 1: they were going to hear year about Alex Murdock making
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Speaker 1: a wardrobe change, changing clothes from before the bloody murders
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Speaker 1: until the cops got there. He's wearing something completely different.
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Speaker 1: You know. I don't remember that from the opening statements.
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Speaker 1: But what we have heard from witnesses so far is
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Speaker 1: that Alec Murdoch said that he wanted to check Paul's
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Speaker 1: pulse and he tried to turn his body over. And
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Speaker 1: these witnesses have said, well, one could assume if you
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Speaker 1: are turning a body over you would be covered in blood.
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Speaker 1: Another witness also said she found it very strange. Alec
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Speaker 1: Murdoch was sweating profusely on the night of the murders,
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Speaker 1: yet his clothes were dry. So this is definitely not
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Speaker 1: the end of the clothes saga in this trial. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Michelle Dupree, forensic fathol just medical examiner. You've had to
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Speaker 1: turn over plenty of bloody bodies. How come Murdoch had
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Speaker 1: no blood on his hands, his arms, his clothes white
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Speaker 1: T shirt for Pete's say, yes, nothing exactly, Nancy. I
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Speaker 1: cannot explain it. And if that is the case, if
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Speaker 1: you really tried to do that, there would be blood
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Speaker 1: somewhere on him. That is a real telfhelf hid. I
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Speaker 1: mean it least his hands, And I don't like repeating this.
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Speaker 1: These are not my words. This was already said in
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Speaker 1: court that Paul's brains, his son, Paul's brains were down
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Speaker 1: by Paul's seat. Now, how in the world could you
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Speaker 1: turn over a body that has been shot that many times,
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Speaker 1: both him and Maggie covered in blood, and you don't
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Speaker 1: have any blood even on your hands, nothing exactly. I
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Speaker 1: cannot explain it, And obviously I think that that is
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Speaker 1: not what happened. He would have to have blood on
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Speaker 1: him somewhere, and we don't have those clothes that he
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Speaker 1: was wearing. There was a video of him standing in
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Speaker 1: a field showing him in long fans and a different shirt,
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Speaker 1: just a few hours earlier from when the police interrogated
50:54
Speaker 1: him or interviewed him. Well, another thing about that amor
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Speaker 1: chet guy's high profile lawyer representing Curtis Edward Smith. That
51:02
Speaker 1: really will go toward intent that this was not just
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Speaker 1: some fleeting moment of anger when he shot his wife
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Speaker 1: and son, but intent. He had a change of clothes
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Speaker 1: if this is to be believed. Amy zimmerchecked. Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I think the bigger problem is that the U and
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Speaker 1: I know you haven't seen the picture because that it's
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Speaker 1: under protection, but the fact that his phone, his Paul's
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Speaker 1: phone that had these two videos on it, these terrible
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Speaker 1: videos for the defense, was laying on top of Paul
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Speaker 1: because it had fallen out of his pocket somehow, and
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Speaker 1: Alec had placed it back on his on his son's
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Speaker 1: deceased body. And I think that that's very problematic. Well,
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Speaker 1: at that they showed block him hide of the pocket,
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Speaker 1: and you're so right, doctor Dupree, I'm hearing in my
51:53
Speaker 1: air Kelly's skin. I'm hearing in my air. They're about
51:57
Speaker 1: to start court again, with or without a jury Killie
52:01
Speaker 1: Ski and I want to hear more of Jane secondary
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Speaker 1: on the stand because she's also did you would say
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Speaker 1: the way she would cut her eyes over and look
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Speaker 1: at Murdoch when she was talking about all that money
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Speaker 1: he stole. She did, and she even gave it back
52:14
Speaker 1: to the defense attorney a little bit when he was
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Speaker 1: asking her questions. She said, this is money that your
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Speaker 1: client stole, and Alec Murdoch is sitting in court with
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Speaker 1: the glasses on the tip of his nose staring at her.
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Speaker 1: So you can only imagine how that meeting went when
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Speaker 1: she confronted him about the funds to begin with. But
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Speaker 1: she is she is spot on, she is articulate, She
52:33
Speaker 1: does not miss a beat, and even when his defense
52:35
Speaker 1: attorney questioned her about, oh, so you did your own
52:37
Speaker 1: investigation on this, she said, well, yes I did, but
52:40
Speaker 1: so did the FBI. We had a forensic accountant and
52:44
Speaker 1: law enforcement has all of this as well. So she
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Speaker 1: was not budging. She firmly believes and does the state
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Speaker 1: that Alec Murdoch. I could tell you this, all of
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Speaker 1: this money mad him not trying to bully this lady
52:56
Speaker 1: on the stand, because they will put out an arm
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Speaker 1: and put back a nub. I'm just telling you. And also,
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Speaker 1: juries do not like it when a lawyer bullies and
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Speaker 1: otherwise seemingly nice and straightforward witness on the stand. But
53:15
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the way she would look at him
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Speaker 1: in court. Am I wrong? Or did he start crying
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Speaker 1: in court again today? You know, I am looking at
53:23
Speaker 1: the fact of this head, so I didn't see if
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Speaker 1: he was crying in court today. What I did see
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Speaker 1: was the death stare in the glasses on the tip
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Speaker 1: of his nose. As this witness was speaking. Well, I
53:33
Speaker 1: think when they were talking about when she was talking
53:36
Speaker 1: about all the money he stole millions and millions of
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Speaker 1: dollars from not only the clients, but the so called
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Speaker 1: brotherhood of lawyers that built that firm, that made that firm,
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Speaker 1: other lawyers who were upstanding lawyers, respected lawyers that look
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Speaker 1: out for their clients, And here he was with his
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Speaker 1: hands in their pockets. I think he started crying. But
53:58
Speaker 1: you know what, HED plenty of time to think about that.
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Speaker 1: Every single time he stole another settlement, Kelly, he did,
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Speaker 1: he did. He could have thought about the clients that
54:08
Speaker 1: this money should have gone to. And we even heard
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Speaker 1: today that he allegedly stole a check from his own brother.
54:14
Speaker 1: He cashed a check and then a year later cashed
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Speaker 1: another check for that same amount of money after asking
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Speaker 1: the CFO of his law firm to cut the check
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Speaker 1: again because he lost it. So he's not only stealing
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Speaker 1: from this brotherhood of lawyers, he's stealing from his allegedly
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Speaker 1: from his real brother. And I was watching his brothers
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Speaker 1: in court today to see if they had any reaction,
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Speaker 1: But they've been pretty stoic today and didn't have much
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Speaker 1: reaction as they're talking about these funds being funneled from
54:40
Speaker 1: their law firm. Well, they're sitting there right beside Buster
54:43
Speaker 1: or who's in court every day with I think his girlfriend,
54:47
Speaker 1: So I'm sure they don't want to have any outburst
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Speaker 1: in front of Buster or Robert Crispin. When you see
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Speaker 1: a guy like murnog, I do, I wonder what in
54:57
Speaker 1: the hey were you thinking? Man? You had it all
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Speaker 1: and you did this over and over and over. But
55:04
Speaker 1: I learned about five years into it. Why asked why,
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Speaker 1: why does it matter. What matters is proving the case
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Speaker 1: goes to greed, completely goes to greed. Yeah, agreed turning
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Speaker 1: into homicide, and god only knows what else. So we
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Speaker 1: have no idea of Jane's secondary is going to be
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Speaker 1: back on the stand, but we know where the state
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Speaker 1: is headed. I'm just waiting for them to somehow show
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Speaker 1: the jury that Alex Murdog actually had a change of
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Speaker 1: clothing before the murder and after. I wonder if they've
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Speaker 1: put that together yet. Okay, I'm hearing in my ear
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Speaker 1: the judge is about to take the bench. We are
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Speaker 1: going back into the courtroom. Everybody, we are alive at
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Speaker 1: the Carlton County Courthouse with the latest goodbye friend,