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Chiefs Trade for Justin Fields, RB Draft Strategy & NFL Mailbag · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: The volume.
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  Speaker 2: What is going on, my people? How are we doing?
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  Speaker 3: John Middlecoff three Now Podcast, back at it again, talking
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  Speaker 3: a little football. We did the players Championship reaction yesterday
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  Speaker 2: Nailed that one. But today we're gonna talk some football.
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  Speaker 2: The Kancy Chiefs traded for Justin Fields. We'll dive into that.
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  Speaker 3: The Titans and Jeremiah loves now the betting favorite to
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  Speaker 3: be the Titans pick at number four. JJ McCarthy conversation
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  Speaker 3: just won't die Some moves. A J. Brown still on
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  Speaker 3: The Chiefs have traded I think a six rounder in
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven for Justin Fields, and uh, I think
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  Speaker 3: this is correlated with even the TUA the Kyler Murray.
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  Speaker 3: One thing that happens in free agency right a week
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  Speaker 3: ago today, I'm recording this on Monday, Monday afternoon. Is
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  Speaker 3: all the guys that signed the big contracts your pay
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  Speaker 3: and premiums for right, Jalen Phillips to Carolina Linderbaum, to
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  Speaker 3: the Raiders whoever these guys are getting paid at tax.
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  Speaker 3: You know that the team is paying attacks to acquire
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  Speaker 3: those guys because you have multiple people bidding for their services.
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  Speaker 2: And I think teams.
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  Speaker 3: You know Belichick made a living off this is he
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  Speaker 3: always waited for the second and third waves because he
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  Speaker 3: thought you could find deals. And there's an old adage
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  Speaker 3: that fortunes are made in downturns and collected when times
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  Speaker 3: are good. Right, I've always lived by you make when
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  Speaker 3: you sell something, the profit you make was not on
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  Speaker 3: the price you sold it for, but what you bought
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  Speaker 3: it for. If you sell a stock for one hundred dollars,
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  Speaker 3: big difference if you bought the thing for ninety or
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  Speaker 3: if you bought it for seven. Right, So your purchase
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  Speaker 3: price on an asset, on a home, on a player.
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  Speaker 3: Howie Roseman felt a lot better about Zach Bond when
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  Speaker 3: he paid four million dollars for him. Then the guy
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  Speaker 3: became an all pro or when he paid for Saquon
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  Speaker 3: Barkley and gave him way less than half as much
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  Speaker 3: as Brandon Ayuk and the guy ran for two thousand yards.
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  Speaker 3: So part of acquiring quarterbacks, and this goes back to
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  Speaker 3: Bill Walsh Ron Wolf Hall of Fame level guys that
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  Speaker 3: believe that every year you should be in the business
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  Speaker 3: of acquiring these guys. Look at the Packers with Malik Willis.
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  Speaker 3: They got him for nothing.
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  Speaker 2: A couple years ago.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was crazy, But that organizational philosophy looks
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  Speaker 3: at distressed asset with the quarterback position and guys with
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  Speaker 3: traits who are high character and go, there's something there
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  Speaker 3: to work with. And they got it right. And because
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  Speaker 3: of acquiring Milik Willis, they won countless games over the
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  Speaker 3: last two years, and obviously he parlayed it into a payday.
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  Speaker 3: And there are current rumors that the Who's interested in
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Richson the Green Bay Packers? Well, where did Andy
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  Speaker 3: Reid get his NFL start? The Green Bay Packers? Who
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  Speaker 3: was running the Packers? Then Mike Hombren who would learned
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  Speaker 3: from Bill Walsh and Ron Wolf who would learn from
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  Speaker 3: l DA quarterbacks, quarterbacks and more quarterbacks. I also think
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  Speaker 3: that last year they had gone into the season with
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  Speaker 3: Gardner Minshew, who awesome story, fun guy. Not sure he's
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  Speaker 3: a good player, and he's not a guy that has
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  Speaker 3: the traits. He's kind of the opposite of the Patrick Mahomes,
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  Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen crew. And by the time they
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  Speaker 3: were forced to play him, he had no chance. Obviously
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  Speaker 3: he got injured. But just turns out he's not that good.
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  Speaker 3: And I think they look at Justin Fields and go,
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  Speaker 3: he's never played for an offensive coach. Think about that,
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  Speaker 3: never played for an offensive coach. Now, I'm not acting
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  Speaker 3: like Justin Fields is that good. I think they'd be
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  Speaker 3: the first to tell you. Listen, he hasn't been that good.
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  Speaker 3: But is there something there to work with? Yes, there is,
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  Speaker 3: and do we plan on trying to work with that, Yes,
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  Speaker 3: we do. And here's the other thing. Because Patrick Mahomes
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  Speaker 3: is injured, he's gonna get all the reps in OTAs.
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  Speaker 3: He's gonna potentially get a ton of reps in training camp.
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  Speaker 3: Now we'll see by then. According to reports and talking
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  Speaker 3: to people, he was well ahead of schedule. But there's
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  Speaker 3: a big difference being well ahead of schedule and being
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  Speaker 3: able to practice. And who knows, maybe they have an
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to play in Week one because Patrick Mahomes isn't ready.
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  Speaker 3: But the Andy Reid I know is a guy that
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  Speaker 3: likes traits. When I was there, we had Michael Vick
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  Speaker 3: and not saying that he hasn't, I mean thought we
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  Speaker 3: had gone into that season with Kevin Cobb and a
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  Speaker 3: couple years later he traded for Alex Smith. He's a
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  Speaker 3: pretty open minded when it comes to quarterbacks, but at
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  Speaker 3: his core, Michael Vick, Donovan McNabb, Patrick Mahomes, Brett Farr.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of what he's looking for, some big time talent. Now,
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  Speaker 3: Justin Fields has mainly not been good. He's been a
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  Speaker 3: running back playing quarterback, and last year was an abomination.
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  Speaker 3: But I think it's easy to chock it up to yeah,
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  Speaker 3: everyone with the jets a disaster and a couple of
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  Speaker 3: years ago. I don't know where you stood, but I
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  Speaker 3: thought that they should have kept going with Justin Fields
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  Speaker 3: instead of going to Russell Wilson. And a lot of
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  Speaker 3: reports went that came out since or after that year ended.
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  Speaker 3: Was like Mike Tomlin pushed for Russell Wilson, Arthur Smith
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  Speaker 3: was cool with going with Justin's Fields. And the thing
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  Speaker 3: with Andy Reid is why can't he scheme around his
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  Speaker 3: deficiencies and some of his deficiencies maybe he could just
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  Speaker 3: incrementally improve them over the course of six months. And
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  Speaker 3: if you're Justin Fields, you should thank you're lucky stars
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  Speaker 3: that a guy like this is the one believing in
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  Speaker 3: you and taking a chance on you, because you've been
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  Speaker 3: around a lot of Aaron Glenn's and Matt Eberflus's and
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  Speaker 3: now you get to go from It's like Andy Dufrayn
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  Speaker 3: I was, you know, I don't watch regular TV anymore
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  Speaker 3: because I have you know, I stream basically everything, and
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  Speaker 3: don't you don't get a remote and just kind of
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  Speaker 3: toggle through like oh Shawshank is on, so when I
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  Speaker 3: was at the hotel in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of a throwback.
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  Speaker 3: You pull the guide and you start going through channels
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  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, it's like seven forty five
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  Speaker 3: on Thursday night. I was gonna go to bed early,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm laying in bed and I go.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, shash.
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  Speaker 3: So I watched the last like forty five minutes of it,
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  Speaker 3: and that scene when he comes out of the uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know the sewer tunnel is just an Ald timer, right.
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  Speaker 3: And I think a lot of quarterbacks asked Sam Darnold,
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  Speaker 3: asked Baker Mayfield and now Justin Fields. And I'm not
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  Speaker 3: saying he's going to even come close to the success
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  Speaker 3: that those guys had, but I just think they looked
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  Speaker 3: at this thing as value. We can get this guy
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  Speaker 3: for nothing. He's got some big time traits. We get
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  Speaker 3: to work with him all off season and maybe there's
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  Speaker 3: something there. And that's a huge part of the offseason,
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  Speaker 3: Like not everyone has the ability to give because of
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  Speaker 3: financial constraints, one hundred and twenty million dollars to Jalen Phillips,
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  Speaker 3: which I think is one of the crazier contracts again
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  Speaker 3: league history, based on his previous production now maybe he
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  Speaker 3: becomes a much more impactful player. But I thought that
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  Speaker 3: was pretty bold, right, So sometimes you got a bargain shop, like,
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  Speaker 3: here's my thing with Kyler Murray, and count me as
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  Speaker 3: someone that's not buying it. Working Now, I don't think
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna win two or three games, but like, I'll
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  Speaker 3: be shocked if, like Sam Darnold, they're just winning twelve
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  Speaker 3: to fourteen games. My guess is eight to nine. But
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  Speaker 3: would they have signed Kyler Murray if his contract in
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  Speaker 3: Arizona didn't dictate his future because he could sign for
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  Speaker 3: the league minimum and still make thirty five million dollars
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  Speaker 3: if he was just making zero in his market whatever
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  Speaker 3: was whatever a team was willing to pay, Like, would
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  Speaker 3: they have given him ten or fifteen million dollars? I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, but call me dubious that they just would have.
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  Speaker 2: Thrown a lot of money.
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  Speaker 3: Part of the reason that they were really interested he
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  Speaker 3: cost them nothing. Same thing with Tua, Like, would the
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  Speaker 3: Falcons have signed him if he cost fifteen million dollars?
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  Speaker 3: Of course not. They got the guy for free. So
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  Speaker 3: part of the conversation with these quarterbacks is it costs
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  Speaker 3: nothing to acquire you, right, One of the story I
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  Speaker 3: just read before I hit record is the forty nine ers.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he was kind of like they're one at
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  Speaker 3: times last year. Juwan Jennings, there's a reason he's still
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  Speaker 3: on the market because he's a good player, he's a
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  Speaker 3: winning player, but he wants twenty million dollars a year,
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  Speaker 3: and in fairness to him, he had a front row seat.
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  Speaker 3: Like I've been around Brandon Ayuka. I saw that guy
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  Speaker 3: get thirty million dollars and just quit on the team.
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  Speaker 3: So he's probably got a jaded view of what he's
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  Speaker 3: actually worth. But as you can tell, no one's paying
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  Speaker 3: him twenty million dollars a year. It's like, Juwan, you're
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  Speaker 3: probably worth about ten, right, which is still, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a great deal for most of society. But in his world,
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  Speaker 3: he's going, look at some of these guys making thirty
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  Speaker 3: thirty five million dollars, I can't make close to twenty.
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  Speaker 3: And the answer is the market is telling him he can't.
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  Speaker 3: If Juwan Jennings cost you two or three million dollars,
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  Speaker 3: he would have ten teams trying to sign him immediately.
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  Speaker 3: So part of your market value is what are you
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  Speaker 3: asking for? What are you willing to sign for that
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  Speaker 3: was the thing. What it's like, why is Trey Hendrickson
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  Speaker 3: still out there.
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  Speaker 2: For a couple of days.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he thought he was worth it already thirty five
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  Speaker 3: million dollars. And it's part of the reason that Baltimore,
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  Speaker 3: which I don't know where you stand, but I'm a believer,
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  Speaker 3: they got cold feet because they saw they had a
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  Speaker 3: different direction.
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  Speaker 2: They'd go in.
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  Speaker 3: We can get Trey for what we view as relatively
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  Speaker 3: cheap of what we thought he was gonna cost and
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  Speaker 3: get our picks back. So we'd rather have Hendrickson for
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  Speaker 3: that amount of money and the fourteenth pick than pay
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  Speaker 3: Max Crosby and tell everyone that we think his knee's
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  Speaker 3: gonna blow up in a year now. They might have
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  Speaker 3: thought that, but if Trey had not been around, do
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  Speaker 3: they pull out?
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  Speaker 2: Who knows? Probably not. So I think a.
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  Speaker 3: Huge part of acquiring quarterbacks, especially backup quarterbacks or guys
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  Speaker 3: that are gonna compete for the job, is how much
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  Speaker 3: you have to pay to get him. And we've seen guys,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Sam Darnold a couple of years ago with
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  Speaker 3: Minnesota got ten million dollars. Daniel Jones last year with
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  Speaker 3: the Indianapolis Colts I think got fourteen million dollars. The
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  Speaker 3: Falcons were not gonna give ten million dollars.
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  Speaker 2: To it if that's what it would have cost.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure Minnesota was gonna give ten to fifteen
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  Speaker 3: million dollars to.
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  Speaker 2: Kyler Murray if that would was what it would have cost.
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  Speaker 3: The Chiefs got this guy for free, the bonus money
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  Speaker 3: and everything's already been paid by the Jets. We got
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  Speaker 3: to give up a six round pick next year, which
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  Speaker 3: is essentially viewed this year time value money as like
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  Speaker 3: a seventh round pick. We're giving up nothing and our
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  Speaker 3: quarterback is injured, and we saw last year guys that
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  Speaker 3: don't have that much ability like we're guaranteed to lose.
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  Speaker 3: So I totally I understand all these moves. And the
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  Speaker 3: difference is the Chiefs ideally just the fields won't even
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  Speaker 3: have to start. We just rehab his value and for
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  Speaker 3: him maybe in a year like the the positive momentum
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  Speaker 3: behind him is different than what it is right now,
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  Speaker 3: where we all just go, this guy can't play dead,
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  Speaker 3: no western and potentially that changes because it has with
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  Speaker 3: other guys. People that Sam Darnold's like the worst quarterback
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  Speaker 3: they'd ever seen a couple years later, he wins Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 3: has one hundred million dollar contract, viewed as just a solid,
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  Speaker 3: very good player in the NFL. That's how fast it changes.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the thing with pros.
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  Speaker 3: It's a very fluid business, right, It's you know, Colin's
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  Speaker 3: really good with this. Like my opinion changes as it should.
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  Speaker 3: Like I never understood, like, okay, Skip Lebron can't win
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  Speaker 3: in the clutch. You had some some validity behind that
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  Speaker 3: twenty years ago, and then things changed. So it's like,
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  Speaker 3: if you're not gonna change, we're all watching. You can't
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  Speaker 3: tell me the sky is yellow when it's blue.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So a big part of free agency and acquiring these
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  Speaker 3: guys is they come for nothing, right that they come
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  Speaker 3: very very cheap. And to me, that's been a big
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  Speaker 3: theme of this year. And I think you've seen teams.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the forty nine ers won a bunch of games.
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  Speaker 2: I thought, like, you guys are trying to mac Jones.
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  Speaker 2: They give him two years.
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  Speaker 3: Like seven million dollars total, and they started winning football
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  Speaker 3: games and they were a playoff team in huge like
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  Speaker 3: a huge part of that was because they had him
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  Speaker 3: and his ability to run the offense and play quarterback
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  Speaker 3: that if they had some scrub at backup, they probably
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  Speaker 3: would have lost a bunch of those games, and all
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  Speaker 3: of a sudden, instead of being a twelve win team,
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  Speaker 3: they win eight or nine wins and they're not in
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  Speaker 3: the playoffs because their starting quarterback was hurt for like
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  Speaker 3: a month and a half, two months.
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  Speaker 2: That's how fast it changes.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm as guilty as anyone when I see some
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  Speaker 3: of these like that guy can't play, that guy can't play,
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  Speaker 3: then all of a sudden he can. And I think
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  Speaker 3: some guys with a pedigree, some guys with physical attributes,
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  Speaker 3: the good offensive coaches feel they can change as they should.
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  Speaker 3: That's why Andy Reid makes twenty million dollars, That's why
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  Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan makes eighteen million dollars. That's why Sean mcvagh
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  Speaker 3: makes a bunch of money. Because Kevin O'Connell. They get
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  Speaker 3: their hands on a guy. I'm better at working with
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  Speaker 3: this than you are.
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  Speaker 2: That is my like superpower.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I bring to the table that other guys
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  Speaker 3: do not. And it's gonna be fascinating to watch it
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  Speaker 3: play out. But Justin Fields is gonna get some opportunities
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  Speaker 3: because Patrick is injured. You know, speaking of changing your opinion,
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  Speaker 3: I would have said ten years ago two things I
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  Speaker 3: was very adamant about. I would never draft a running
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  Speaker 3: back or interior offensive lineman high in a draft because
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  Speaker 3: historically you can find really good running backs, guards, and
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  Speaker 3: centers in the.
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  Speaker 2: Third, fourth, fifth round. Right. I do think things change, and.
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  Speaker 3: Part of a draft is well where it's a marketplace
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  Speaker 3: being given to you by college, so you don't determine
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  Speaker 3: what's in that draft on a yearly basis. Right, It's
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  Speaker 3: why some drafts are better than others. But one thing
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  Speaker 3: that has become pretty clear in the NFL is the
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  Speaker 3: resurgence of running backs. Remember a couple of years ago,
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  Speaker 3: they all got in a zoom call and were all
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  Speaker 3: pissed off. They weren't making very much money relative to
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  Speaker 3: some other positions. A couple of years I thought they
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  Speaker 3: were crazy at the time. A couple of years later,
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  Speaker 3: they got some you know, like their argument has a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more uh substance behind it. Let's say, would
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  Speaker 3: you either have b John Robinson or like a ton
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  Speaker 3: of these wide receivers making twenty twenty five million dollars.
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  Speaker 2: I think we all know the answer.
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  Speaker 3: We'd rather have b John Robbinson.
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  Speaker 2: But here's the thing with the running back.
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  Speaker 3: When you get a blue chip guy two years ago,
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  Speaker 3: why did the Eagles win the Super Bowl? Well, they
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  Speaker 3: had a fantastic defense and their running back and running
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  Speaker 3: game was unstoppable. As Howie said, Saquon had one of
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  Speaker 3: the greatest seasons in the history of the league. Where
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  Speaker 3: was he drafted number two? Now with the Giants. It
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  Speaker 3: didn't work out because their team and organization was a disaster,
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  Speaker 3: But anyone with the brain went, this is a big
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  Speaker 3: time talent. Now, I didn't believe in the pick at
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  Speaker 3: number two because the organization wasn't closed. They had a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of other needs. But the one thing David Gettleman
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  Speaker 3: said back then is like, I couldn't pass on a
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  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame talent. And he wasn't wrong. It was
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  Speaker 3: a Hall of Fame talent. He just had a low
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  Speaker 3: level operation, no coaching, and it was a disaster and
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  Speaker 3: Saquon got banged up a little bit, But there were
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  Speaker 3: a lot of variables that were out of Saquan's control. Listen,
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  Speaker 3: if I ever talked to Christian McCaffrey the first or
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  Speaker 3: have him on this podcast, I would apologize to him
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  Speaker 3: because when he came out of college, I was like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm not sure he gonna be a bell
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  Speaker 3: cow in the league.
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  Speaker 2: I think eventually he's.
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  Speaker 3: Gonna morphin more to like an elite slot receiver hybrid
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  Speaker 3: running back.
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  Speaker 2: And I was wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey is a fantastic elite between the tackles runner,
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  Speaker 3: especially in the prime of his career, and the guy
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  Speaker 3: banging the drum. Back to his draft class was his
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  Speaker 3: head coach, David Shaw, who had worked in the NFL,
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  Speaker 3: who had obviously been around a bunch of NFL players
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  Speaker 3: with Jim Harball and the head coach of Stanford, and
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  Speaker 3: was this guy's total package. And remember he was drafted
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: eighth and I was like, this seems pretty bold, and
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: looking back, like probably could have gotten higher because Christian
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: McCaffrey three years ago, like Saquon, was the best offensive
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: player on a Super Bowl team. Now, the Niners didn't
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: win it, but a big reason they were there was
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: because of Christian McCaffrey. He was an elite player and
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: arguably non quarterback, the best player in the league the
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: year the forty nine Ers made the Super Bowl pretty
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: playing quarterback, so I think I've changed my tune a
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: little bit because the way the league has gone is
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: now obviously, if you needed a quarterback or there was
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: like a can't miss defensive linemen prospect, totally take that
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: guy over the running back.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: But I think we.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: All agree, and especially people in the league, that Jeremiah
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Love is arguably the best player.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: In this draft. He is the total package.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: A lot of parallels to be Jean Robinson, I think,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: parallels to Christian McCaffrey. I know people will say good
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: prospects in Saquon Barklay. Sa Quan's not a great pass catcher,
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: not terrible, but I would say his hands are pretty
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: hit or miss. To me, Jeremiah Love, you watch him
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: in the combine, he is He's got a chance to
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: be an elite pass catcher. And there was a story
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: out today It's not even a story. The betting odds
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: are that the Titans are favored to draft Jeremiah Love,
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: and to you know, Fernando Mendoza pass rushers two and
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: three and Jeremiah Love going It's like I see it
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: and if they do it, I support it. They have
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: a defensive head coach, they have Brian day Ball who's
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: been around Saquan, who was around Nick Saban, who had
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: a really good run game obviously when he was the
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: offensive coordinator there. I think that would be the right
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: move because I think in a draft, any draft class
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: that has question marks or is not viewed as like
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: the top ten players are seven to nine of them
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: feel like Pro Bowl level guys. Like some years it's
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Pine Sewel, Jamar Chase, like Michaeh Bars is just loaded
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: with talent.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: That's not the way this draft is viewed.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: So when you are in positions like that, I got
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: no issue taking Jeremiah Love. And if you think about it,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: when I think the Tennessee Titans, two of their best
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: players in my lifetime have been any George and have
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: been Derrick Henry, So they have been an organization that
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: has been defined historically by running the ball and playing defense.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: And that's what I think Robert Sola wants to do.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: He's at a front row seat with Kyle Shanahan two
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: different iterations of it, and it's a physical style, run
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: the ball, play defense that always translates. And I think
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: that would be fun to watch. And if you're Jeremiah Love,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: you can become cam Ward's best friend immediately.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: And that's the other thing.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: You have a young quarterback who if you watched him
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: play last year, I mean the team was a disaster.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Does have a little bit of a hero syndrome that
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: does kind of think like I can be Kayleb Williams
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: It's like, bro, we got to calm down a little bit.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: It's not what you're gonna do, especially in a division
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: with you know, the Jags and the Texans have fantastic defenses, Like,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: let's just learn to manage the game before we play,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: like Patrick Mahomes. And the easiest way to do that
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: feed the running back. So I think that would be
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: a fantastic fit and kind of hope it happens.
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• 22:07
  Speaker 2: A couple other stories.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Colin had said this a while back that the new
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: timeline with a young quarterback is the second year Thanksgiving.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: And I think part of listen society, we've never gone faster,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: we've never had shorter attention spans because of social media
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: and all the noise that there's never been more pressure
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: on you know, specific industries on whether it's you know,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: the S and P five hundred in the stock market, whether.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: It's professional sports. There's a lot more noise, right crypto,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: you name it.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: And I think JJ McCarthy like I'm not just gonna
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: act like he's gonna be out of the league in
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: a year, But I think he fits into this mold
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: of in modern day football that we're in the twenty twenties.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: If you don't show it immediately and you're a high pitch,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: you're in major trouble. They're not gonna wait around for you.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Now, they could be.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Proven wrong years down the line when that guy becomes
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: a good player for someone else. But there becomes a
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: negative like tsunami of the narrative, which is true that
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: this guy can't play and he's holding you back. And
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: if the coaches can see it, if the owner can
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: see it, and the fans can see it, you're least
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: just it's hard for you to make it to year three.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: And now we have some recent examples of good talented teams.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, Trey Lance got traded before week one year three,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson was benched before week one year three. JJ
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: McCarthy is not gonna be the starting quarterback week one
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: year three. Michael Pennix, now he's injured, but like would
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Michael Penix just one beat out Tua in a training
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: camp in Atlanta, they're both healthy I don't think that
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: would be guaranteed by any means, right, I mean, listen,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: we can be negative on to all we want. Like,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: he's shown a lot more in the National Football League
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: than Michael Pennix. So my point is the turnover with coaches.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Look at that now, Tomlin technically said them out, But
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: there were ten openings. Ten open There're thirty two teams
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: in the league. I mean you're talking almost third of
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: the league fired their coaches and paid a lot of
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: these guys to go home, get out of here, pay
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: their staffs. See you, we don't want to talk to
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: you anymore. We will pay you all millions of dollars
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: to not come into the office. I've said forever, that's
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: the American dream. If someone ever wants to pay me ten,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: twenty thirty to fifty million dollars to do nothing, I
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: would eventually get bored. Feel I'm pretty ambitious individual, but
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: I would soak it up for a minute. Yeah, I
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: would enjoy myself, I really would. So the league's showing
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: you the amount of money that has come in, the
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: social media influence, the timing that these coaches are on, Like,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: you're not getting the amount of coaches that will ever sniff,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: like ten years in a place like it used to
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: happen a lot more.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: In the eighties and the nineties is over.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Even some of these guys now they get fired after
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: year three or year four they probably used to would
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: have got six. Is done because it's really easy for
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: me to pay you to go away. Look how many
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: guys get extensions and still get fired. Mike McDaniel just
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: happened to. And I'm not saying that any of these
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: owners are wrong for their decision, but a big reason
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: that none of these guys hesitate to do this anymore
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: is because paying someone ten to twenty million dollars with
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: the finances of the NFL is a rounding year. It's
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: it's changed. You would find in not my couch, but
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: in their couch. So that has directly influenced the quarterback.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: And unlike some of these guys, like if you draft
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: a guy eight at defensive line and by year three
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: it's clear like this is not an impact player. You
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: can still rotate him in and out. You can still
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: take a wide receiver in the top fifteen and have
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: him not become a.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Star, but still utilize him. Right, he can still play.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: He can still return, he can still play.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: On special teams.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: It's not ideal, like you would obviously rather have the
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: pick back and have picked someone else, but all these
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: other positions you can play at quarterback, like you're either
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: in the game or you're not, and you get exposed
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: when you're in the game if you're not ready, like
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Now, like I said, I do not think.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: His career is just over, but his career in Minnesota
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: isn't just in major jeopardy. When Kyler Murray is eventually
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: named the starter, that's the beginning of the end. This
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: is not nineteen eighty seven where Bill Walsh went back
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: and forth with Steve Young and Joe Montana. Anyone that
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: watched the documentary on AMC one year, he was just
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: pissed off. He's like, yeah, we got a quarterback controversy.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: The media didn't say that. Bill Walsh said that, yeah,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: we got a quarterback controversy. He was just like he
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: was just trying to start some fires. Those days are done.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: These coaches now do the polar opposite of like really
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: really tread lightly around that topic. But we all know,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: and I said it two years ago when Sam Donald
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: was signed to the forty nine ers.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Trey Lance is done.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: He's never beating out Sam Donald and he was on
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: the Cowboys before the start of the year. Last year,
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Daniel Jones signed for fourteen million dollars. Anthony Richards done
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: as a starter there, he was done. Kyler Murray a
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: little different because he didn't cost him any money. But
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: I think at the end of next last year they
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: were done with Jaj McCarthy because he's just not good enough,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: too big of a project, and they simply don't have
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: the time because that's not the way it works. The
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: AJ Brown situation pretty interesting that Florio reported the Rams
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: were interested and they had explored trading DeVante Adams, which
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Davante's gonna make twenty four million dollars this year, which
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: obviously is a lot of money, not like premium premium,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: but it's still not nothing. Battle some hamstring issues. Last
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: year only had sixty catches, but he did have fourteen touchdowns.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: So if your catch number is not going to be
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: as high as it once was, but you're bringing me
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: fourteen touchdowns, like, I can kind of live with it.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Would I rather have DeVante Adams than AJ Brown? I
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: do think in a short lived like Matt Stafford all
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: in on next year, like his report with Davante's pretty special,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: So why would you throw that off? Especially AJ makes
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: more than him. I do think DeVante would have had
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: a market, but by all accounts, the Rams are out
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: and it's basically only the Patriots, And because of like
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: some of the financial situation with his contract that AJ
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: potentially might not get traded till the summer or training
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: camp because of the implications that it has on the
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Eagles books. Like I said, in a perfect world, I
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: think they would gladly keep Aj Brown, but this is
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: a situation where financially there are some ramifications of keeping
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: them kind of move on now, and like, let's face it,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: you can't trade the quarterback, so you're gonna trade the
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: wide receiver. But I also think if you don't have
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: a big market for him, how he does not just
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: want to give this guy away. But there aren't a
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: bunch of teams bidding, so I think it puts them
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: in kind of a precarious situation. And typically I don't
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: want to say how he always has the leverage in
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: trades because that's not true, But this one, it has
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: to really bother him because he clearly is on the
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: disadvantage side when it comes to having a really good
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: player that a lot of teams are just kind of,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know, not being super aggressive on even the Patriots, like, Eh,
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: we want them, but we're not gonna We're not giving
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: your first round pick.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: And I think it's a.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Tough spot for how he and the Eagles, who were,
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: let's face it, used to winning a lot of these transactions.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: The Eagles did bring back Dallas Goddard, I think like
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: one year seven million. I didn't see all the guaranteed deals,
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: but again, they're trying to mix and match all this
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: money stuff, and whenever you have a high priced team,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: it becomes a little complicated. And that's why back to
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: the Jalen Carter situation, it's like, are they comfortable with
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: giving him like a record setting deal like Micah Parson's
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: got four.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Year, one hundred and eighty eight million dollars.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Like Jalen Carter's gonna want like four years, two hundred
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: million dollars, right, four years, one hundred and eighty million dollar,
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Like the number is gonna be huge with a top
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: maybe not two hundred million dollars that'd be fifty million
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: dollars a year, but let's say four years, one hundred
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: and seventy five million dollars and one hundred and fifty
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: million or one hundred and forty.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Million dollars guaranteed.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Like, you have to be extremely comfortable when you when
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: you invest in a player with everything you're getting, and
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: it starts with the person. And that's where I think that, Like,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: it's much easier for them at a much lower number
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: to give Jordan Davis sixty million dollars guaranteed, and like
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: the forty nine ers, like they got Mike Evans, who
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: is a Hall of Fame level player, they gave him
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: sixteen million dollars guaranteed, Like that was a pretty easy
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: decision and he wanted to be there. Christian Kirk again
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: hasn't been that good lately the last two years.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: He has fifty five catches.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Peaked in twenty two, I think he had eighty four catches,
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: eleven hundred yards and eight touchdowns when he was young.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: He's a pretty interesting talented player, especially like a role
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: player at wide receiver. Now he's been banged up, not
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: as productive. But this is back to what I said
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: about the wider or the quarterbacks, like they're going, we're
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: paying nothing for this guy, Like could we catch lightning
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: in a bottle and then give us forty five to
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: fifty catches for four or five million dollars? Like that's
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: that's the math on this. Now, most of the time
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: that's not what comes to fruition, but when it does,
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: you become very profitable because you pay nothing and you
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: get production back in return. I mean, the Patriots made
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: a living off doing this for twenty years. They brought
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: back Drake Greenlaw, who again comes very cheap because he
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: gets cut. He's another guy that after the Achilles injury,
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: hasn't quite been the same physically. Is there something you
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: get him back with Fred, you get him back in
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: the building. Is there something that can kind of reinvigorate
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: his career. But the question with him is his health.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: And he's a guy who really excels on explosion, you know, speed,
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: just a violent athlete, and when you're dealing with quads
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: and lower body injuries, you're just not the same type player.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: And that's why I think Denver, obviously there were him
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: and who funk I think had a hard time learning
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: the defense in the sense it was way more complicated
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: than what they were used to though Whu funga translated
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: much better.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: And he's I mean, he's been a.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Really good player for him Greenlaw when it came to
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: learning the defense, and obviously injuries, they just punted they had.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: I would say buyers remorse pretty immediately. There is some
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: stories about people interested in trading for Brandon Nyuk.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I don't see how.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Another GM could trade for Brandon Nyuk. I mean everything
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: that has gone on off the field. I'm not even
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: talking about refusing to rehab or showing up to the
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: forty nine ers like that.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: That happens. Players get signed or traded for all the
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: time in situations like that.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: To me, there's been so much stuff on social media
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: of him just not feeling like he's got a shit
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: together as a human being. I could not give up
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: a pick even if he came like you can cut him,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: then we bring him in and talk to him. But
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: trading a pick for him to me feels like bad business.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: A couple other things before we get to the mailbag.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: I'm always fascinated, like listen, think about football. Pete Carroll
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: feels like a shot coach watching him last years, like Pete,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: what is going on? Like he went from a pitcher
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: throwing like ninety eight miles an hour to last year,
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: it felt like he's throwing seventy eight.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: He's got a.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Son screwing up the offensive line. It was a complete embarrassment. Now,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: as time goes on, no one will remember his tenure
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: with the Raiders, but it's not gonna be one of
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: his crowning achievements. It's gonna be something he would like
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: to erase from the record books. Look at Belichick, I
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: mean Belichick's time posts the Patriots and even those last
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: couple of years of the Patriots is like this guy
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: still have it? This guy? Are we sure that Bill
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: and Pete shouldn't have just enjoyed their immense amount of
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: wealth and go enjoy themselves somewhere, put their feet up,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: live by the beach, enjoy life. I'm always been uncomfortable
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: with the retirement. I hate that urn. It kind of
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: gives me the heb gbis. I can't imagine just have
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: nothing to.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Do, no purpose.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: So I understand where they're coming from, but in their field,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: as competitive as it is, and the majority now of
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: the talented coaches, let's face it or in their late
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: thirties and their forties or early fifties and just kicking
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: your teeth in.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Like why do you still want to do this?
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: You are clearly you guys have made a living on
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: telling players you don't have it anymore. Yet they can't
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: look in the mirror and see it themselves.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: They don't have it anymore yet.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: I'm watching Rick Patina, who's seventy three years old, who
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: looks like he's in the prime of his career. I
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: had to google it today since than and two up
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: until Rick got there. So for almost twenty five years,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: they made the NCAA tournament three times. They've won the
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Big East back to back years. He just took Dan Hurley,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: a guy that won back to back Natties, and kicked
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: his teeth in the other day at Saint John's. It's
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: not like, you know, he took over Louisville, he took
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: over Kentucky, he took.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Over Duke, he took over North Carolina.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Like this has not been some powerhouse since I was
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: a little little kid and whatever. Rick Patino still has,
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: like he still got it.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: And some of these.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Guys, and especially in a day and age of nil
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: you talk about adapting like that is really really impressive.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: And I'm not in deep.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Enough with college basketball, like I don't quite understand. They
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: just beat the shit out of Yukon. Clearly they're non conference,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: but not not be as good. They've had some bad losses,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: but you go eighteen to two in the conference, which
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: I guess was down this year as Hurley was saying,
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: We're not gonna get as many teams in the field.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: But to dominate like that at that age against some
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: of these guys, I mean, look at some of the
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: best coaches right now, Dan Hurley, like in the prime
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: of his career, John Shire, this young guy just kicking
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: ass and taking names like a lot of that old
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: guard Coach K's retired, Jim Behim forced out, retired, like
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: they're kind of Izzo's still going pretty strong, but a
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: how many years as he have left. Like the guys
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: of the you know, the the eighties, the nineties, the
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Bobby Knight crew. I mean, these were guys that Rip
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Beatito came in with or was competing against in the
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: prime of his career and to be seventy three years
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: old and have a team that just was down and
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: out and to kick ass and take names. It's it's
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: a remarkable accomplishment. The other thing watching the WBC, which
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: I think has been awesome. Otani hit a lead off
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: home run that they lost. But we were playing the
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: dr Dominican Republic on Sunday night and their manager, Albert.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Pooles made three hundred and fifty million dollars. You went
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: their lineup, it's like five hundred million dollar player. Three
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: hundred million dollar player.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Julio Roderriguez signed a two hundred million dollar contract when
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: he was twenty one years old. I've been a lot
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: of people around him, like, bro, you could make a
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: seven hundred million dollars the amount of talent on that
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: team and they lost. Now, granted out, their pitching is
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: not quite as good as ours ours.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Our bullpen was shoving, but it was awesome to watch.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: It's it's not real baseball because the elite starting pitchers,
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: if they're humming, are only gonna pitch sixty seventy pitches.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I mean schemes. The phenom from.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: The Pirates lsu Kid actually originally right Air Force, Uh,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: really fascinating story. I think went seventy pitches. So these
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: guys are not gonna this ain't gonna be Bruce Bochi,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Tim Linskam.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Pitching one hundred and fifty.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: You know pitches, you ain't going eight or nine innings.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: So it's it's it's kind of true baseball, but kind
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: of not really. It is just really good TV. And
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: watching US beat the Dominican who they just got better
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: players than us, it feels like they have the best players,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: and with Otani and Yamamoto, like they're not us. Now
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: we got Judge Harper, I know, I mean his own
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: GM said he's not a lead anymore. So I I've
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: included I hope we win it.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: But that game was legit.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: I mean that that that was on the edge of
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: your seat.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Sunday night WBC was fantastic television.
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• 39:46
  Speaker 3: let's just bang out a couple of mailbag questions. I
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: got a lot of them, so a couple. I was
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: gonna make them topics, but I saw they were mailback questions,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: so I'm like, you know what, let's just do them
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: as a mailbag.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: We'll go with uh with jaz JS.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: The state of Washington just enacted an almost ten percent
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: income tax on residents making over a million.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Dollars a year.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: John Snyder has already said it will impact recruiting free agents.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: NFL only counted after tax income toward the salary cap NFL.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Could you imagine a time where the NFL only counted
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: after tax income toward the salary cap, essentially taking away
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: the advantage of having your team in a state without
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: income tax.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Well a couple of things.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: I saw Florio reporting on this, and I would agree
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: we actually every owner would want this. So some of
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: these owners in these states that Washington, historically they don't
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: have state income tax, so they're clearly losing their ass obviously.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, some of these texts are such a fucking
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: scam that it sounds like, I mean, I read the
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: article that it's going to the governmnor's desk all size
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: or he's gonna approve it. Howard Schultz already bounced to Florida.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: He's like, I'm out of here. Agents were alad hitting
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: up John Schneider, like what is going on now? Granted,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: like some of the no state income tax teams, it's
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: not like they've had some huge advantage. I mean, the
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Cowboys haven't won anything, Texas haven't won anything, Titans haven't
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: won anything. The Dolphins stink, and the Jacks stunk forever.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, the Rams won a Super Bowl. The forty
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: nine ers have been to Super Bowl, right, I mean
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: the Bears were in the second round of the playoffs
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: this year. The Patriots were good for decades under Belichick,
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: and he calls it taxachusage. So I think some of
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: these players just see the gross number. They don't think
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: about the net number. But the NFC West, if this
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: goes through, would be a pretty tax heavy, you know
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: division to play it, right, if you're making twenty thirty
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: forty million dollars living in Seattle and you get dinged
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: with the ten percent, so you're essentially paying ten percent
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: income tax. You also play games in California, which is
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: within a couple of years probably like fifteen sixteen percent.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: You play the forty nine ers, you play the Rams,
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: and you get a little You've coming here to Arizona,
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: which is two percent flat tax, but which is fantastic.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I mean I don't. I don't think the
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: league is worried. Like that's a U problem, right, what
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: your state income taxes are, what your taxes are, Like,
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: you get benefits if you play in Green Bay, your
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: housing is way cheaper. Right, if you play in Jacksonville,
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: you'r housing is way cheaper than if you play in
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: New York City, or if you play in you know,
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: if San Francisco, they are in the heart of Silicon Valley,
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: so you have very very inflated home price. Same thing
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: with southern California. And if you play in Houston, you
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: could live in a fucking mansion for three or four
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: million dollars. That same house in Los Angeles might be
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: seventeen million dollars. On top of that, your property taxes
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: and everything are dramatically more because you're paying one point
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: five percent or one point four percent property tax on
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: fifteen million dollars instead of whatever, even if Texas is
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: higher on three million dollars. So it all factors in.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: But I think one thing's pretty clear that doesn't really
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: factor to most of these free agents when they're offered,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: like the biggest number gross they typically take. Mike Evans
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: just left Florida to come to the forty nine ers,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: so I'm sure it will have an impact, but I
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: don't necessarily view the impact taking place. Lebron James actively
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: went to Los Angeles, Steph Curry, Draymond green Clay in
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: the perfect world would have stayed there forever. Kevin Durant
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: chose the Bay Area.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Like I think, at the end.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Of the day, a lot of the players, like, if
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: you give me the best chance to win and you're
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: paying me a lot of money, I get dinged on
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: the taxes. Now I'm not saying I would think like that,
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: but I would say consistent theme. The agents always talk
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: a big game. But here's the thing with the agents.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: They don't get taxed on net revenue. They get taxed
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: on the or they don't get charged like they don't
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: get paid on if you make ten million dollars but
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: you only take home five, they ding the ten. To
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: my knowledge, I've always thought that, and I've always been
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: told that. So yeah, I mean, I just think John
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Snyder doesn't want it to go through shitto impact him.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: If I was him, Fuck, I wouldn't want it either.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: So now it doesn't come through till twenty twenty eight.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: But they've also had a pretty big advantage over the
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Rams and the Niners. They've had zero percent income tax forever, right,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: So it's probably been pretty lucrative to keep in some
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: of their guys because, like, shit, I'm so different being
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: in Texas or Florida. The Chiefs are in to rebuild
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: with their difficult division, and listening to your podcasts, it's
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: clear you would take an edge wresher or an O lineman. However,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: four of the starters are solid and the best center
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: in the league leading it. In one of your podcasts,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: you said, how how four good olignemen can make a
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: good line, showing that isn't a priority for the Chiefs.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: They also Jalen Moore, who played games last year. So
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: do many people believe the Chiefs should take a right
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: tackle with nine instead of a linebacker such as Sunny
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Styles to replace Chanelle an athletic freak, or Caleb Downs
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: to improve the secondary. I guess my main take on
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: the Chiefs is, if all things are equal, Jalen Moore's
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: a backup. He's a good swing tackle right who can
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: start in a pinch, who's got some talent. But if
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: you have the opportunity to what you believe is a
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: ten year starter at right tackle, that is there, you
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: gotta do it. Jalen Moore isn't a long term answer
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: at left or right tackle. Obviously Simmons at left tackle,
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: but the Chiefs don't ever plan on drafting this high again,
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: So if you can get one of the blue chip
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: linemen or pass rushers, I think it's really hard to
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: pass that up. Now, if you have Caleb Downs ranked
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: way higher than whoever is on the board at the time,
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: you know, conventional wisdom by the good GMS is take
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: the best player available. That's why Jeremiah Loves not.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Gonna fall very far right.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Who do we think is the best player on the board,
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: And if that's Caleb Downs, I think you have to
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: think long and hard about it.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: If that's Sonny Styles, I think you have to think.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Long and hard about it.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: But if all things are equal, right, Sonny Styles is
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: right there with the best right tackle, I think you
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: got to take the right tackle. Because no one's ever
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: complained about having enough good offensive lineman.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: They just haven't.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: So Andy Reid's a former offensive lineman at his core,
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: and they've had a lot of success drafting good offensive
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: lineman for this team over the years, and I don't
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: think that'll change. If there is a guy worthy of
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: that pick, we'll have to see how it shakes out.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: A lot of stuffs out of their control, right, I mean,
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: they'll have a decent idea, but there's no guarantee Caleb
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Downs will be there. But there's no guarantee one of
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: the top right tackles will be there, So maybe Sunny
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: Styles is just the best player on the board and
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: that's who they take. Love the show, love your takes,
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: but feels like you and Colin are pilot on JJ.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Vikings won nine games with a near thirty five point
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: six QBR, basically bottom tier. Meanwhile, Kyler Murray's career QBR
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: is fifty six. That's twenty point jump. Will be better,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: not to mention, we're forty million dollars over the cap. Also,
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: JJ's runway has been wild, won a national title, Torres Meniscus,
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: got married, had a baby all before his first NFL
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: regular season start. JJ's path is infinitely harder, but writing
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: him off completely feels premature. Kyler's twenty twenty six option
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: not necessarily the long term plan.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: I got back to back JJ questions, so I'll just answer.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: I'll just ask this one too, with.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy situation looking disastrous, so a little bit different opinion.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Do you think gms and.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Coaches will stop reaching on quarterbacks for being a quote winner,
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: having a strong handshake when they look you in the eyes.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Obviously being a little dramatic, But there's nothing to me
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: in JJ's production or traits that screened first round. Even
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: bow Knicks had tangible athleticism that we saw fairly consistently.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: When I was with Coward on last Friday, he did
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: a topic he led the show with about being a
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: winner and how overrated being a winner is. Right in college,
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: AJ McCarron, who's had a really impressive backup quarterback career,
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: was a big time winner in college for Alabama. Stetson
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Bennett was a winner at Georgia. Tim Tebow is one
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: of the great winners we've ever seen. JJ McCarthy played
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: on a team in college where basically every starter all
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: twenty two our players in the NFL, and a large
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: handful of those guys are starters.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: In the NFL.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: His head coach wasn't just a college high end college
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: head coach. He's one of the best head coaches in
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: the NFL. The guy leading the defense on Michigan isn't
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: just a head coach in college. He's viewed as the
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: next Mike McDonald's Jesse Minter. So he played on a
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: team with a top five to six NFL head coach
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: with his defensive coordinator who immediately became one of the
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: best defensive coordinators in the NFL when he came with
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: Jim and then immediately got a job in the NFL
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: to replace Jim's brother John. That's pretty abnormal when you
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: look at some of these SABAN teams, those guys left
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: to become coaches. They all just became college coaches. These
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: fucking guys said peace out to college, went to the NFL,
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: made the playoffs back to back years, and then Jesse
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: got a job. So JJ's situation in college is kind
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: of unlike any we've ever seen, at least in the
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Internet age. Like we've seen a lot of Urban and
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: Sabin and Kirby their guys get jobs in college. These
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: guys are NFL guys who kick ass in take names.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: JJ basically got to drive a Ferrari, and you could
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: argue he didn't have to drive. He had a driver,
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: so he didn't have to do that much. Obviously, the
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: game against Penn State where they ran the ball like
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: thirty straight times in the game. He had like a
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Jimmy Garoppolo level situation in college. But when you could
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: do like.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Any made some plays.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Jimmy was doing that in the pros. So this notion
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: that he could just become Jimmy Garoppolo seemed like a
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: pretty big stretch and the answer is so far not
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: even close. So I don't think it was about winner.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: I think they thought, like, this guy could be Jimmy Garoppolo,
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: this guy could be Derek Carr, and it turns out
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: like those guys had to do way more in college.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: Derek Carr was throwing like fifty sixty touchdowns in college.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: Jimmy Garoppolo played Division One Double A, but was like
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: dominant player.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: JJ didn't do shit.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: And once that Colin had was all the guys in
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: his draft, the other five quarterbacks, they averaged three hundred
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: yards a game passing.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: JJ didn't even average two hundred. So yeah, he was
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: a winner.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: Well, no shit, But you know who like he played
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: for the winner, Jim Harbaugh. He just happened to be
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: his quarterback. Everyone that plays for Jim Harbaugh is a winner,
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: going back to the University of San Diego, Josh Johnson,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: to Kaepernick, to Alex to all the quarterbacks at Michigan
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: and now Justin Herbert. Now, some of those guys are
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: better than others, but Jim Harbaugh is the winner. JJ
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: McCarthy just happened to be the quarterback on a team
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: that was loaded with NFL guys. So I hear you
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: on the winner thing. It does matter, like i'd like
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: you to be winning in college. But like Josh Allen
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: didn't sniff the national championship, Patrick Mahomes didn't sniff the
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: national championship. Lamar Jackson wasn't gonna win the national What
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: was his best season? Like eight and four, nine and three,
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter, That's not what translates. What translates is like
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: on third and seven, can you hit the out route? Well,
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: Michigan wasn't in third seven that often because they were
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: getting first downs on like second down, running the ball
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: down your throat and scoring on defense, dominating and not
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: allowing any points. And then JJ goes to Minnesota. It's like, okay,
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: it's twenty to twenty fourth quarter, could you drive us
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: fifty yards again us in the field goal range? And
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: the answer is no. And the other thing is Kevin
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: O'Connell is the opposite of Jim Harball. In a perfect world,
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: Jim Harball would play like the eighty five Bears would
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: play like the twenty eleven forty nine ers, run the ball,
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: play defense, and win every game like fifteen to ten
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: and run every game, run for like one hundred and
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: forty yards and just dominate the clock, multiple sacks, just
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: play physical last day. That's like he dreams, Kevin O'Connell
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: dreams of like scoring forty or fifty points. They're both quarterbacks.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: Jim Harball was a quarterback. Kevin O'Connell was a quarterback.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: They philosophically look at football differently when it comes to offense.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: And Kevin O'Connell wants his quarterback like Sam Donald throw
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: thirty five touchdowns or Kirk Cousins a couple of years ago,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: be explosive down the field.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: It's not really JJ's thing. Clearly.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: That's why they pivoted to Kyler Murray. So, yeah, are
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: we piling on? I didn't create this, they did. I'm
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: just reacting to like it's a disaster, and they're telling
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: you a disaster by bringing in Kyler Murray, who's going
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: to win the job? Like the job is over. JJ
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: McCarthy is not going to be the starting quarterback. Now.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Kyler could get hurt, JJ.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: Could play, But if I'm a betting man right now,
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy will not be on the team next year,
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: this was the question about super Bowls. So I just
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: don't agree that a super Bowl or being a winner
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: makes you infinitely more marketable. Sure, extreme outliers like Jordan
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: Brady or Mahomes that have goat arguments being put on
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: your sports Mount Rushmore can lead to more opportunities. The
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: vast majority of players, though, aren't suddenly going to experience
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: a massive surge in opportunities just because they have a
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: ring or more team success. It's more about charisma, brand friendliness,
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: and how well you do on camera. Marino's a guy
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: that famously never won a ring, and I see him
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: on my TV all the time due to those factors.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: If I was gonna push back against that example, Marino
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: is widely and universally viewed as one of.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: The greatest players in the history this morn.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: Right, So if you're Dan Marino or we just go
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: around doctor j like, he's viewed like he's not the
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: best player of all time, but he is one of
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: the most important players.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: In the history this morn, You're gonna have brand recognition forever.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: But if you win a Super Bowl or a World
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: Series or an NBA championship in that given town, you
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: are going to have marketability whether you have a huge
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: personality or you're not that personable.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: That is my point.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Now, Obviously, you could have a big personality and not
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: win and go on to be a marketable individual. Right,
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: Tony Romo, how many playoff games Tony Romo win? Big
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: personality outspoken makes twenty million, thirty million dollars a.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Year calling football games. Right.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Tom Brady got paid thirty seven million dollars to call
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: football games because he's Tom Brady obviously. But Greg Olsen,
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: bigger personality, never won a Super Bowl, is going to
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: have a very lucrative and long career calling games. Personality matters,
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: and it's never mattered more than now. And being authentic and.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Being relatable for sure.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: But if you win in a place, you're kind of
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: taken care of in the sense of like you matter
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: to that organization in that city and you're marketable in
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: that area. I've seen in the Bear with the San
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Fransco Giants. It's gonna be like that with the Golden
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: State Warriors forever, like everyone that was part of their
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: core group.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: You know, Klay Thompson.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: Isn't the biggest personality, right, but he's a made man
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: in the Bay Area till the day dies, and I,
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: like you said, they're extreme outliers Jordan Tiger Woods, Tom
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: Brady serena right federer. But I think there are a
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: lot of guys in that next tier that once you
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: become a champion, it changes the course of your career
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: and it changes the way you're viewed, especially if you're
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: in a bigger market.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Right if the New York.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: Knicks win the NBA Championship this year, they're best player.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: Jalen Brunson, Who's gonna be so rich.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: It won't even matter whether they win it or not.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: But there are other role players that would just be
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: Like when I think about the New York Knicks when
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: I was a kid, they never even won it, and
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: John Starks and some of the core guys that still
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: feel synonymous with that team, and sometimes you see at
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: the games. So I think it's no different if you
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: win a championship some of these markets, you're just you
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: matter there for a long time, and there are different
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: amounts of money. But using Dan Marino as example, like
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: day Marine is one of the greatest players of all time,
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: whether he wins a championship or not. If you're one
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: of the greatest players of all time, like you're gonna
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: be famous for a long time.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, we'll end on this question for the pod.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: I've heard you and Colin give your opinion on the Bears,
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: and I just don't see the same thing. Granted I'm
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: a Packer fan, but hear me out. No Dj Moore,
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: no pro Bowl center retire for.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: An inferior player. True.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: True, Their entire secondary, who turned over the ball at
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: a historic rate last season, are now on other teams.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: Mainly true Jalen Johnson's back, but you know he was
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: banged up last year in miss time.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: But I hear you.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: They lost Edmonds a linebacker and replaced him with Devin
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: Bush like for lik in my opinion, done next to
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: nothing to improve a non existent pass rush. I will
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: say Kobe Bryant was a good addition, but he's not
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: making a mid defense who relied on turnovers that much better.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Helped me understand. You know, he created fourteen turnovers last
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: two years, so I would say he's a turnover guy. You.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: I think hope Jalen Johnson gets back to one hundred
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: percent from his injury. You have to draft defense. I
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: hear you on the pass rush. Part of the reason
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: I'm a believer is there's natural turnover year to year. Right,
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: the Chiefs just lost their entire secondary. When you have
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: a star head coach, I just believe in you. I
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: think Ben Johnson is top notch. I put him with
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: Sean McVay, I put him with Kyle shanahan, I put
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: him with Andy reach On Payton, like, I think he's
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: got a chance to.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: Be just an all timer. I think he's pretty special.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: I would take Ben Johnson over Kevin O'Connell. I feel
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: pretty confident about that, actually, partly because philosophically I.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: See the game.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: I'm not acting like I know scheme like either guy.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: But Ben Johnson's core. I think he wants to run
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: the ball more. Kevin O'Connell's a little more pass happy
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: for me. But when you have that, I just buy
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: into you. So they do bring a lot of guys back, obviously,
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: like you said, the center thing, nothing they could do
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: to control that, but that it is what it is.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: That's they didn't plan on that happening.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: In a perfect world, he doesn't retire and they don't
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: have to trade for the patriot guy, right, who's not
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: as good as a player. They let some guys go
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: in the secondary. Right, obviously they picked the ball off
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: a lot, which their defense wasn't good, but they had
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: a historic turnover rate. I I just think their offense
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: is gonna be better and defensively, like we'll see, I mean,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: we'll see what they do in the draft. I think
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: they're gonna be pretty good. I think they're gonna be
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: pretty good. I think Dennis Allen's are really good defensive coordinator.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: I think their head coach, he's also the play callers
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: of stud And if I just bet on Caleb Williams
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: getting five eight percent better, it's becoming a little more consistent.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: If that doesn't happen, then yeah, I think they could
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: be the same exact team, but not as good, right
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: because their defense might not have as many turnovers so
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: they win ten games. But if you tell me Caleb
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: gets better, even if their defense has some deficiencies, I
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: think they could be really good. So I'm betting on
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Ben Johnson improving Kleb Williams and keeping the momentum as
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: a great head coach to improve the team. I'm much
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: higher on the Packers than most people like. Their history
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: speaks for itself. They had a bunch of weird shit happen,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: and they like, at one point in time last year,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: I thought they were gonna win the NFC. So I
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: think they have a chance to get right back in.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: The Lions offense was very bizarre last year. They have
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: a whole bunch of injuries. I think the Lions could
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: be a factor. So I listen, it's not easy in Minnesota.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: It's like not some if they're the fourth best team
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: in your division, which some would argue middle.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Cooff, what are you talking about?
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: They're they're a problem as well, Kyler. I mean, they
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: couldn't be as bad as they were last year on offense.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: From a passing game standpoint. So I hear you.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: I think it's fair. But I'm betting on Ben Johnson.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: I'm betting on improving the quarterback, and I just bet
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: on good head coaches to be good. I mean, it's
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: it's really that simple. I mean, I don't know what
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: else to tell you. The volume