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Nick Marovets Joins Trent, previewing Iowa State/BYU & Iowa/Wisconsin, why WOB matters & Tom Kakert talks Hawkeyes plus the Bears to Indiana? · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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Good afternoon. Welcome in Miller and Condon on
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the air with you back at it on a Friday as we talk the world of
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sports. We're with you for the next two
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hours as we break down everything going on.
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The Canadians in trouble, maybe not going to show up for the
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gold medal match. We'll get an update on that one
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Team USA and men's hockey action later today.
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The women with the gold winner, winner, winner, gold medal
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winner. Easy for me to say yesterday as
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they get it done in overtime against the Canadian National
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team. And yes, Heisey involved once
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again, as we've talked about here throughout the course of
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this one, becoming an adopted eye when I think we need a for
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that hockey front coming up today on the program on the
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guest list. We'll kick things off here at
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about 12:25. Tom Caker from hawkeyereport.com
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and his normal spot on a Friday as we talk Hawkeyes with Tom A
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breakdown of the matchup with Wisconsin coming up this weekend
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and a difficult spot for Iowa coming off the big win against
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Nebraska. Now you have to go to a pissed
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off Wisconsin team after their performance against Ohio State
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and a Wisconsin team that has two of the best wins of the
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season, 2 Rd. victories that they have against Michigan,
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against Illinois. Going to be an incredibly
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difficult spot for them for the Hawkeyes coming up on Sunday,
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we'll also breakdown the BYU Iowa State matchup and the trip
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out West with Eugene Repay. He will join us here at 1:25
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today. Joining me for Ken's final day
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of vacation, he is Nick Murovitz from Locked on Cyclones.
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Nick, good to see you once again.
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Good to hear your voice. How are things over for you on
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the east side of the state? Yeah, pleasure to be back once
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again and obviously feeling pretty good after those two big
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wins for Iowa State men's basketball.
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The Heisey family is representing Iowa well.
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All is good in this House. No doubt about it.
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Well, Nick, as we look through and what we have coming up this
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weekend, a great slate of games in college basketball, one of
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the few times ever we've had the top four teams facing off
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against each other. I will get that coming up this
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weekend with the big match up, of course, with #1 #2 and many
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of the different polls with Michigan and Duke going added on
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a neutral floor in DC. A lot of people, a lot of big
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fan bases there, obviously with the people that moved away from
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their college area and moved to DC.
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So we're going to see a big contingent, I think, of both of
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those fan bases. Should be a fun one with those
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two squads. And then of course, what we have
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in the Big 12, Arizona, Houston coming up this weekend as well.
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Kansas back at it with the continued Darren Peterson, the
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injuries of the Big 12. Nick, I want to start right here
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with you today as a Big 12 guy as you are, you know, the Big 12
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just a week ago, we're talking about not just teams that can
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make a Final Four, but potentially national
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championship contenders. And if all breaks right, you
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know, I go back and when you talk about AJ Debansa, well,
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remember what Carmelo Anthony did at Syracuse as a freshman
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and putting that team on his back?
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And could there be something similar that happens with him?
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JT Topping and Texas Tech, a team that I've always loved at
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times I watched him on. How did this team lose 6 games
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that they had? But now he's lost for the season
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with the ACL injury. Saunders goes down for BYU and
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that was really a three headed monster that they have.
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It goes from so many teams that you feel can win a championship.
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You have the questions with Arizona, not a great 3 point
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shooting team, Iowa State with the free throw shooting and
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suddenly it goes from others. All these Big 12 teams that can
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win a title. Feels like not only the sheer
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volume of teams has gone down, but some of the questions with
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all the teams may be starting to pop back up as well.
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No, absolutely. And I think that's just showing,
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you know, how long the season is.
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We all talk in December and January.
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Like how how tight of a race it's gonna be.
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And and Iowa State was in these shoes last season, remember,
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with Milan missing that stretch? And then it was Keyshawn, what's
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going on with him? And it really derailed Iowa
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State season. And now obviously the Big 12
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beats up on itself so much because you're playing such high
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level competition night in and night out.
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Looking at Texas Tech. I actually watched that Arizona
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State game. And you wouldn't expect Arizona
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State to be one of those teams to take down a top team just
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sitting at what they're 567 or whatever from the bottom of the
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conference. But they were competing, They
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looked really, really good. And it forced Texas Tech to kind
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of exert their, their flex, their muscle, I guess, late in
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that game. And unfortunately, JT topping
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goes down. You know, I think the, the cream
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is kind of rising to the top of the Big 12 right now.
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Arizona, you mentioned 3 point shooting.
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I don't know if it matters for them.
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They shoot like what 7A game? So it's just they win on the
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inside in Houston, still rated above Iowa State.
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They're phenomenal team and they just lost one on the road.
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I think it is what it is. Iowa State in that conversation
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and we'll see what DP does for Kansas, but Texas Tech falling
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out of the kind of front runner isn't good for the conference.
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But I think it makes sense just the way that the season is so
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long and and so grueling for all these athletes night in, the
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night out. You know, the Big 12 as a whole
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very top heavy this year and now with the injuries for BYU and
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Texas Tech as certainly diminishes, diminishes.
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I think the chances of either of those teams at least making a
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run to a Final four. They were going to be long shots
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regardless. But in consideration with the
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injuries that they have sustained and we've seen these
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last two years now I see a Ken Pomeroy, they are ranked this
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year as the third best conference in college
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basketball. When you take the totality and I
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think it makes a whole lot of sense because we go through that
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run starting, you know, in the early teens back in 2012,
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thirteen range where year after year it was the Big 12 far and
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away was rated the best conference in college
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basketball. It no matter what kind of
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metrics you were looking at, that's what you got out of the
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Big 12. But also remember at that time
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you're talking about 10 teams in the conference.
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You have the double round Robin, which was absolutely great for
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fans. But now you have this bottom
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tier of the Big 12 and the continued gap that seems to be
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growing with the Colorados and now K State with the disaster
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that's happening there. Utah this year is an absolute
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disaster and even that middle portion isn't nearly as as
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strong as this conference once was.
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I I think we're seeing now with the expansion and all this is
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football driven. We get that, Nick, but you're
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seeing what it's done to the basketball league as well, where
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it is not that top shelf year after year.
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Yeah, you might have a couple of drags year after year, but in
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A10 team conference, it's a lot different.
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When he got 16. No, agreed.
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And you said it best like it is football that's driving
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everything essentially all the changes and realignments and
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whatever. But I will point out on the flip
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side just to because you're exactly right.
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I mean, all I would be doing is kind of echoing your statement,
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but Houston comes in and has been phenomenal since they
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joined the conference. I believe they have like 6
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losses and then I think it's like 3 to Iowa State or two to
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Iowa State, whatever it is, just because I'd seen that stat this
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week. Houston has come in and played
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exceptionally well. Arizona obviously at the top of
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the conference right now. So you still have some of those
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original teams like Iowa State and Kansas that are really in
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that mix. I think to win it this year and
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to make deep runs, but you do have these.
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These changes weren't made for basketball, but there was some
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good that came out of it. I can agree with you there.
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Nick, we're going to talk more Big 12 a little bit later on.
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Of course, we're going to preview the match up with Iowa
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State and BYU. We'll talk Iowa, Wisconsin as
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we'll break everything down from last night though when I do a
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quick hit as we always like to take a look at the locals here
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at the top of the show. The Iowa women were the only
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team in action that we talked about plenty.
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And with them we get the news late in the afternoon yesterday
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afternoon. The Hannah Stolke's going to be
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out now. This is not a very good team.
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In fact, it's a bad Purdue team. I think it's easy to say that
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still. You're going on the road, you're
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coming off a win against Nebraska earlier in the week.
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It's the back-to-back on the road trip.
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You kind of wonder what the response is going to be.
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They came out on fire once again, and a big part of that
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has been the play of Taylor Stremlow.
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She was red hot just like she was to begin that Nebraska game.
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back-to-back Rd. victories. And though they kind of played
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with their food a little bit in the second-half of this one,
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Purdue never really got within striking distance.
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I think there was less than a minute left before they even got
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it back into single digits. They didn't completely blow them
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out, but to do that without Skokie, I think that was eye
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opening. We know this is not a very deep
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team. You couple that with the McCabe
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injury, just a nice Workman like kind of victory over there and
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Purdue setting up the big stage coming up this weekend for them
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as they welcome in Michigan. No, absolutely.
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Looking at you got 4 starters with double digits, three of
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them over 15 points. And you didn't shoot the lights
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out from beyond the arc either. Only 9 and 19.
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Obviously shot well from the field at nearly 60%, but you
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gotta commend the Hawkeyes here for getting it done on the road
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essentially because no game is guaranteed.
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I think that there's a an element of, you know, it's just
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just Purdue or whatever. And of course the news of
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Stolkeys, it puts people on edge a little bit.
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But every single game you got to come out and you got to play
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your best ball. It looks like Iowa is
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definitely, you know, defending that top 15 ranking right now
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with that win over Purdue. Yeah, got a #11 from the
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committee when they came out last week on the women's side
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#11 overall seed for the Iowa women and a win this weekend
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against Michigan at home. And, and it's weird, it's their
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second to last home game of the season.
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They still have a match up next Thursday at against Illinois at
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Carver. But this is going to be Senior
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Day for the Hawkeye. So we're going to see the
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seniors get honored before the game.
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Anna Stolke, hopefully she's able to play.
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Taylor McCabe, the emotions. Kylie Fearbach, They're going to
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be going through the senior Day ceremonies.
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Jana Gympie, another one that is also injured this season, though
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she wasn't anticipated to be a big part of the team on the
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floor of this year. So they're going to have some
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injuries, some injured players out there for senior day, but
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just interesting that they do it.
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I see also a big recruiting weekend.
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They got a five star player coming in, a bunch of prospects
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making their way to Iowa City. But this Michigan team, they are
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playing well. In fact, the only team in the
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Big 10 that has been able to even push UCLA this season as
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they played them to a three-point game here about a
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week and a half ago. So that's coming up on Sunday on
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the women's side. Let's get into the men's side of
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things and let's start with BYU talked about the Saunders
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injury. Obviously impactful for that BYU
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squad, ABYU team that at times look like a top ten team.
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Certainly has not been the case though recently for them.
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Then on top of it, you're going to stay out there then take on a
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bad Utah team. Still long road trip.
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You never know exactly what it's going to happen.
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After the two emotional wins, those huge victories here, any
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concerns of a little let down? Yes, it's still a top 25 BYU
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team, but just after what we saw at Hilton these last couple of
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games against Kansas and against Houston, the possibility that
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there could be a little slip up coming up tomorrow.
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Yeah, there's always that chance.
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And and if you haven't already, you need to go see some clip
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from somebody somewhere of a BYU home game.
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I mean, it is literally a circus in there.
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They've got flags, they've got LEDs on them.
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They've got the inflatable dudes that are at the car shop.
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Like it is mayhem in there. And BYU fans are super, super
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ravenous. So I am slightly concerned about
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Iowa State playing in an environment like that.
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When you look at their win loss ratio this season, all losses on
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the road, right? Kansas at Allenfield House,
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that's kind of what we're walking into with BYU here.
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Just a crazy environment. Cincinnati and TCU both on the
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road as well. So 2 huge wins at home, yes,
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that's awesome. We know Hilton Magic is real.
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But I am slightly concerned, even though BYU isn't at full
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strength, I would say just hasn't been great on the road.
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I think this is a perfect opportunity for them to prove.
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Obviously they'll have Arizona later in just a few weeks or
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whatever, but this is an opportunity to keep that
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momentum going and show that they can win these games on the
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road because March Madness isn't be played in Hilton.
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Right. Yes.
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Unfortunately for the Cyclones, that will not be the case
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because, yeah, we'd be having a different conversation if
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they're played all those games in that gym.
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You mentioned the Marriott Center and that place is not
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only it's ravenous, but it's huge.
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This is one of the biggest basketball arenas in the
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country. In fact, when it was built, it
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was over 22,000 is what it was. And they've gone through
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renovations, but still they they get 18,000 in there and it's
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going to be packed up and they're going to be ready to go.
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So it is going to be certainly a more difficult environment than
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and what they saw against TCU, you know, their last Rd. game
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that ended NNL. This is going to be a completely
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different environment than what they've seen really going all
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the way probably back to the Kansas game.
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You look through the other Rd. games that they had, Oklahoma,
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Okoma State, not many people in the building for that one.
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K State, everybody was ready for Tang to leave and eventually he
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has. Since that beat down that they
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gave the Wildcats in Manhattan, This is going to be a different
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kind of environment for them. So charged up, How about 930 tip
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off for that one? And we know ESPN tip off time.
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What time do you think that thing's actually going to tip
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off? It's not going to be 930.
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I yeah, I'd love to see them actually get go on before 9:45,
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but you never can really tell. So as long as I'm seated and
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just enjoying the pregame show, I guess I can't complain too.
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Much, Yeah, absolutely. We'll we'll get going on that
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one mentioned to Bansa for BYU. He is an incredible talent.
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What do you do against him defensively?
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I mean, the way now that it's going to be a different look for
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this BYU team, you take Saunders out of there, you know, play
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some, probably need a little bit more out of Canard Davis.
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I think that's going to be a key for them.
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Kita, he is a monster inside. He is thick, not tall, but just
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stick. But what do you do defensively
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against the Bandsta? Because he is an incredible
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talent. He can get to all the different
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spots. He can make shots all over the
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floor. Yeah, I wonder how much of BYU's
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offense will go through Debansa. The BYU's been so good from
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beyond the arc this season 2, so obviously the injuries I think
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are going to make a major impact on how this game plays out.
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But I wonder if you, you know, you do a lot of ball pressure
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whenever Debansa has the ball. I would say has the guys like
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Jamari Bateman and Killian Torrey to get that done.
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And I think they have to really commit because this is how they
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run their defense. But there are games where they
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don't commit quite as hard as I'd like them to to the double
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team. As soon as you can get the Bansa
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with two guys on him and just try to force him to make some
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errors, obviously we know how good he is.
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But if you can draw one or two, that could be the margin that
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Iowa State needs to win this game.
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I think other than that, you're just gonna have to force the
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rest of BYU to beat you. I think you have to shut down
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the bands for what you can, even if you even hold them to 15 or
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20. Might be a good night.
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Just kids. Incredible.
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Yes, I also wondered inside their young freshman bop.
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I think is how you say it. Kadeem Bop, he is another big
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body in there. They've been playing now with
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Saunders outgoing back to the Arizona game, been playing an
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extra big in there to go along with Kita.
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So they're going to be a little bit bigger.
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They're going to be built a little bit differently too, and
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how Iowa State kind of goes back there.
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It's going to be a cat and mouse game and a really good coaching
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match up here. We know about odds, but we don't
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know about Kevin Young came from the NBA.
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Guy that runs a lot of good stuff, guy that comes from that
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NBA background. Kevin Young's a really good
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coach here and I'm sure he's going to have a few different
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angles here against the Cyclone team as they look to end what
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has been losses of five of their last seven games and the injury
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of Saunders on top of it. They needed overtime to get by
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Colorado and then though they played well, I thought earlier
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this week against Arizona. Still going to be fun, match up
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and get that coffee ready. Going to be a late night
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tomorrow night. Oh, absolutely, and I will say
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this too, I would say BYU over the last few years has just been
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incredible. Every single game I am always up
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until the last second on those because you know, you can't go
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to bed early. You don't know what's going to
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happen. Crazy comebacks, maybe last
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second shots, whatever it is. So obviously Odds and young are
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going to be in a little bit of a chess match and I think both are
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capable of handling the other. It's just going to be who gets
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the upper hand in this one. But regardless, I know we're in
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for a real, real treat and I'm super excited about this one.
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Over to Iowa City, the Hawkeyes go to Wisconsin to face the
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Badgers coming off the win against Nebraska.
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Now it's Wisconsin. They got drilled by Ohio State.
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Still, this Wisconsin team, it's not.
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Look, Wisconsin's 18 and 8, They're 10 and five in the Big
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10. We're not talking about this is
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not Michigan. But in terms of a matchup for
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Iowa, I think this is just a bad matchup.
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And we've seen recently, up until the Nebraska game, Iowa
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had been struggling so much defensively and they've been
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struggling against teams that just frankly are going downhill
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against them. Get into the rim, being able to
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get by by the defenders and and get into the paint.
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And with Boyd and Blackwell, that's why I'm really concerned
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about this matchup. Not only do you have a Wisconsin
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team, if you buy into the theories of a bounce back and
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those kind of things are let down from the Iowa perspective,
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you kind of have both angles on that.
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Coupled with just the matchup here, I think this is a bad
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matchup for the Hawkeyes. Yeah and and Wisconsin's number
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six in the big 10 right now. So there is like the top 25 yes,
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but they're they're not really making any big waves.
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Don't forget they beat where is it Michigan, right and one of
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the only teams to if not the only team, yes, the only team to
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do that. So they're capable of making
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those big punches and if it's if it's going to come down to
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matchups I I do like Wisconsin here.
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The fact that Iowa just depends on kind of how you buy into the,
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the whole let down and, and what the big win over Nebraska means
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and all of that. But no, I, I don't love the
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Hawkeyes in this situation. And I do say that from an
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analyst perspective, not as an Iowa State fan.
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I want to bring a couple things up here as we've talked about
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resumes and the way it is for Iowa State, what's it going to
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take to get up to a number one seed for Iowa?
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You know, can you get out at least minimum that 8-9 game and
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even move up to a six seed? What it would take?
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Thought it was really interesting as many of the
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national media guys yesterday had an opportunity to go inside
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the committee room and go through and they built their own
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bracket and went through all the principles.
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Learned a little bit more, but coming out of that I'm hearing
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from a couple of different articles I read for the people
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that were inside the room yesterday, including Matt
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Norlander from CBS who joins us from time to time here on our
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program. Mentioning that I think one of
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the big takeaways for me is the importance of WAB.
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And you might be saying Condon, what in God's name are you
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talking about? Now you talk about Bartorvick
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and Ken Palm and all these other numbers.
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Now you got another one but it sounds incredibly important
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because recently and we talked with Carrie Miller who's gone
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through this exercise yesterday, he mentioned that as well.
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Wins a above bubble. All this is is a metric that
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rates what you would do would get as a average tournament team
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45th best team in the country. That would be what they consider
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average out of the at large pool.
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What they would do against your particularly schedule.
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This is something when you look through the last couple of NCAA
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tournaments, the teams that get in the number one deciding
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factor is not net that we talked about a ton.
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It is actually WOB wins above bubble and also comes to seating
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purposes. That is something that is
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incredibly important. So just look at that metric
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alone. Iowa State is 8th in the country
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in this metric. Iowa is 29th.
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So a little bit lower than they are in the advanced analytics
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that you have, though. That's still a piece of it.
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Just found that interesting. And, and probably my biggest
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take away, Nick, I think, you know, I am an absolute college
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basketball junkie. It doesn't have to just be
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Hawkeyes and Cyclones. For me, it is about all of it.
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I love these kind of things. I love the building of a
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bracket. I've always something, it was
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what I was doing in my free time as I was sitting with my
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notebook, you know, back in school.
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I've been making my own brackets.
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I've always loved these kind of things.
19:04
Very interesting to see that this new metric that has come
19:07
out, the importance it sounds like now it means for the
19:09
selection committee. No, 100%.
19:12
And it does make sense when you kind of think about it on some
19:15
level, like for a team like Iowa State, right, losses to
19:18
Cincinnati and TCU are going to they're not going to help that.
19:21
And when you look at advanced analytics, I think Iowa State
19:23
saved a little bit, especially when we talked about Iowa State
19:26
over Oklahoma State, Colorado, UCF, Kansas State, Baylor, like
19:30
their offensive efficiency was kind of inflated.
19:32
But at the end of the day, you got to win the games.
19:35
And so that WOB metric ultimately calculates that.
19:38
And I think that's what it comes down to when you're talking
19:41
about the end of the season, right?
19:43
Like, what have you accomplished?
19:45
Not how good were you in games where you won by 50, not how
19:48
close were you in games that you lost by two or three?
19:51
Did you win or did you lose? Because when the tournament
19:53
rolls around, it is literally just win or loss.
19:56
I don't care if it was on a buzzer beater from Furman or if
19:59
you beat, you know, a Kansas State by 68 points.
20:01
It just, it literally does not matter.
20:03
So it's, it's actually pretty cool metric.
20:05
I I took a look at it when you sent it over.
20:07
Yeah, it's a different way, a different look at way that they
20:10
kind of measure these teams. One more thing from the mock
20:13
committee that went through yesterday, there was an argument
20:16
for the final number one seed and it came down to Houston and
20:19
Iowa State. Well, I think for most everybody
20:22
after what we saw Monday, this is pretty easy on the surface.
20:25
Incredibly similar resumes. Iowa State, they sit at 23 and
20:29
three. Houston also sits at 23 and
20:31
three. Iowa State has the head to Of
20:36
course, what they did in the dominating performance against
20:38
Purdue on the road, you think that would be a big help to him.
20:41
But eventually it does go to Houston.
20:45
Houston got the nod in this selection committee for the
20:48
final number one seed and I'll tell you, I struggle to see it.
20:52
I struggle to see it because the resumes are incredibly close.
20:55
Houston's losses, Tennessee, Texas Tech, Iowa State.
20:59
I guess the one thing you could point to is Iowa State out of
21:02
the group of losses has the worst because of their loss to
21:05
Cincinnati and to a lesser degree TCU.
21:07
Maybe that's what it came down to is the Iowa State.
21:09
Two of those losses are considered in this eye, and
21:12
certainly the eye for a number one seed are bad, but I
21:15
struggled to wrap my mind around that one.
21:17
That's funny that the Iowa guy is a little bit more on Iowa
21:20
State side. And I can, you know, as an Iowa
21:22
State guy completely see where they pick Houston here because
21:25
you mentioned the quality of losses, which I absolutely
21:29
dislike the term quality losses to the maximum degree, but
21:33
quality losses, Houston versus Iowa State.
21:36
When you look at the Iowa State Houston game though, what
21:39
actually transpired inside of those 40 minutes, Iowa State
21:43
kind of needed a lot of magic from Hilton to get that done.
21:47
And that was where when I saw this, I was like, you know, if
21:50
this game was played in Houston, that game probably ends
21:52
differently. If this game was played, you
21:54
know, at a neutral site, it probably ends differently.
21:56
And then when you compare the resumes, if you're going off the
21:59
losses, I'm not super upset that they picked Houston here.
22:03
I think Iowa State can use that, especially now as a chip on
22:06
their shoulder for the rest of the season.
22:07
Can't just sit back and relax. But I do think it actually makes
22:11
sense when you look at, you know, I would say it was down 10
22:13
with what, 7 minutes to go or whatever it was.
22:15
So they found a way with, with the homecourt advantage.
22:18
But you know, if it's on the road, I don't know.
22:20
Outscore him 17, four to end that game, and it's not just a
22:23
run to end the game being down double digits.
22:26
Houston, I think the most difficult team to beat in an
22:29
environment like that, down double digits against anybody in
22:31
the country. I think Houston's about the last
22:33
team that he'd want just with their style of play and to hold
22:36
them to four points over the final 7 minutes.
22:39
That was just absolutely eye opening.
22:41
With that, we got to take a break.
22:42
When we come back on the other side, time for a little more
22:44
Hawkeye talk. Maybe Tom Caker can provide some
22:47
hope for the Hawkeyes this weekend against the Badgers.
22:50
Plus, football recruiting is underway as we look at the class
22:53
of 2 thousand 2627. We'll get into that and more.
22:56
Tom Caker, Hawkeye report joins us on the other side.
22:59
Nick Maravits hanging out with me, Trent Condon.
23:01
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23:17
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It's a Friday. That means it's time to talk
23:33
Hawkeyes with Tom Caker from hawkeyereport.com.
23:37
Tom joining us here today as he does almost every single Friday
23:40
throughout the course of the year.
23:42
Tom, thank you as always for your time.
23:44
Good to talk to you again. And boy, you got to see a really
23:47
good environment there at Carver earlier this week, though it
23:50
wasn't a banged out building like it was against Purdue.
23:52
That was about as charged up as I could remember, and talking to
23:55
people there that we've seen in the performance from the
23:57
Hawkeyes definitely help getting the win against the Huskers.
24:01
But I think the crowd made the difference in the game.
24:03
Yeah, really do. And I think, I think Ben
24:05
McCollum basically said it after the game too.
24:09
I'm not sure I will wins without that crowd.
24:12
And they were particularly the student section because I wasn't
24:18
sure that the student, you never know if the students are going
24:21
to show up or not. And, and they showed up, they
24:25
were all wearing black. I think it may have helped that
24:28
I think Price Sanford may have had some communication with some
24:31
of the some online student group thing or something that
24:35
basically said they were going to beat you and they were ready
24:40
for them coming in obviously. And it's loud the entire game.
24:46
And, and I was found a way. It was this, you know, it's
24:50
remarkable. Iowa has scored 57 points in
24:53
their last two games each. Each game, one of them, they
24:57
lost by 21 and the other they won by 5.
25:00
That's wild to me. Feels a little bit better on the
25:02
backside of it, no doubt. And the defensive performance
25:06
that had been it had been cratering even during the six
25:08
game-winning streak. And Tom, that's something that I
25:10
talked about A fool's gold is probably not the right term
25:13
because they're still winning games, right.
25:15
But we saw that defense was taken a pretty significant step
25:18
back. I know in the month of February
25:20
before the Nebraska game, I think Bart Torvik had him 242nd
25:24
in the country in defensive efficiency.
25:26
Now Bennett Sturtz defensively was a big part of that and what
25:29
he was able to do against Price Sanford.
25:31
But is it just more of a matchup thing?
25:34
Sam Hoiberg's a tremendous point guard and I'd never thought I'd
25:36
utter those words when he began his career, but here we are.
25:40
That guy is a pest. He's a nuisance, but he is good.
25:43
Still. He's not a guy that's going to
25:45
go to the rim and finish, right? He's not that we go to Sunday.
25:48
It is another two guards that can get to the rim.
25:51
Was it more match up dependent or do you think that we're
25:54
seeing the side with defense get back on track?
25:57
You know, what was interesting is it wasn't like it was a game
26:01
plan thing against Nebraska. It was basically kind of Ben
26:06
McCollum and the staff just kind of challenging these guys said
26:08
go out and guard people here you go and just go out and do what
26:13
you know that you can do guarding people man to man.
26:17
And they did and it worked. And credit to to Bennett, I
26:23
mean, you know, not only shouldering a massive load
26:28
offensively for Iowa, but also regarding price.
26:33
And price was, you know, how he comes off screens and everything
26:37
else he's he's all over the court.
26:38
So the amount of mileage that that Bennett put on his wheels
26:43
that day was a lot. And he stayed out there for all
26:47
40 minutes. He didn't come off the floor.
26:49
So to him I I was just amazed that it wasn't like a game plan
26:53
thing. It was just basically the staff
26:55
just challenging these guys go out and guard somebody and they
26:57
did. They did.
26:58
It was it was a whole lot better.
27:00
It's Tom Caker from Hawker Report joining us here.
27:02
Miller and Condon on the Iowa Sports Radio Network hanging out
27:05
with me today, Nick Maravitz from Lockdown Cyclones.
27:08
Nick, take it away for Tom Caker.
27:11
Yeah, Tom, I have a quick question about that win over
27:13
Nebraska. How big was that for kind of the
27:15
culture of Iowa basketball, you know, a top ten win, you know,
27:19
from an Iowa State fan's perspective, going from 2 and 22
27:22
to what now odds has turned the program into.
27:24
Is there a lot of hope for what you know Iowa basketball could
27:27
look like over the next few years?
27:30
Yeah. They just, they needed that kind
27:34
of reaffirming signature win on the resume, especially coming
27:39
after that, that ugly loss at Maryland and then just kind of
27:42
getting drilled by Purdue because I think everybody was
27:44
kind of jazzed up that maybe they'd get Purdue, but they
27:48
needed to get kind of a signature win to to kind of, I
27:53
think solidify themselves in the NCAA tournament.
27:56
They still got work to do like most teams do, but but they just
28:01
needed this. And I think from a fan
28:05
perspective, the fans needed to be convinced and seen that, hey,
28:09
I can go to a game and I can make a difference and be loud
28:12
and Carver can can get going like Hilton always is.
28:17
And I think they did that. They they gave a good
28:21
advertisement to those students in particular.
28:24
Come back here. It's a good time and you can
28:26
have a lot of fun and maybe you can get your your phone slapped
28:29
out of your hands by Fred Oyberg.
28:31
You get in the, you sneak into the handshake line.
28:35
I found it interesting. So Iowa comes out with their
28:37
release on that and says there was a breach in the security.
28:41
OK, that happens. Have we heard anything at all
28:43
from the Nebraska side? Not really Fred, just I just saw
28:48
a video of Fred spoke about it at his press conference today
28:51
and said he really appreciated that Iowa apologized and he said
28:54
he reached out to the guy was staff members and he ended up
28:57
hitting accidentally and apologized to them right when
29:03
that happened and then apologized to him yesterday.
29:06
And Fred even talked about how you know, something with his
29:10
because he's, you know, obviously had the heart issues
29:12
over the years that the the pacemaker with, with stuff like
29:15
that, that it, it could trigger something with him.
29:17
So he's very kind of cognizant about stuff like that.
29:22
So you understand why, you know, it happened and the person
29:28
didn't need to be there. It just that's, that's just, you
29:33
know, he they came around the opposite side where there was no
29:36
security and that's kind of how it worked.
29:39
And he got in that that line and they were trying.
29:41
I saw some of the students trying to go get after Price a
29:44
little bit too. I mean, just leave people alone.
29:46
I mean, Iowa had to put up with that at Minnesota, too.
29:48
They were kind of got caught in that, in that court storm.
29:53
And and, you know, things were said to the Iowa players too,
29:56
that day. But that's just, again, part of
29:59
college sports. But one of the dangers of the
30:01
court storm is, you know, stupid things can happen, and we saw
30:06
one of them happen on Tuesday. And Fred Hoiberg for his look,
30:10
you know, he just looks like the all American boy, right?
30:13
That guy is a competitor and talked to people that played
30:16
hoops against him back in the day, talk to people that still
30:18
see him on the golf course and they say, yeah, he might look
30:21
really nice, but there is a competitive drive inside of him.
30:24
And no surprise, after a tough loss like that, a little
30:26
frustration definitely bounces out.
30:29
I have a feeling it's going to be frustrating against
30:31
Wisconsin. Mentioned it a bit earlier with
30:32
you, Tom. Those guards getting downhill,
30:34
that is incredibly scary. Wisconsin coming off that ugly
30:37
performance for them. Iowa coming off an emotional
30:39
win. It's going to take a lot here.
30:41
So what is the game plan? What is it going to take for
30:44
Iowa to go in there to Madison and pull off a win?
30:48
Yeah, they're really dangerous because what's been this thing
30:52
that's gotten Iowa quite a bit this year, and especially in
30:55
this this stretch where they haven't had good defense, it's
30:57
been downhill driving cards. Guess what Nick Boyd and John
31:00
Blackwell do? They drive hard to the hole and,
31:03
and Boyd's a little different too, because he's a lefty.
31:06
So you're just not used to it. So you got to kind of overplay
31:08
that left hand a little bit. And so that's that's the danger
31:13
too. And, and obviously different
31:16
coaching staff, different players this year, but Blackwell
31:20
lit Iowa up last year up in Madison.
31:22
Remember that game where I hit 6 threes and scored 32 points?
31:25
And so, you know, he's he's gotten comfortable against
31:30
shooting against the Iowa jersey.
31:32
They're going to have their hands full because they've got
31:36
they've got to score some points.
31:38
And the other thing that Wisconsin's got is they've got
31:41
bigs that can step out and shoot the ball a little bit too.
31:43
So Iowa's got to find other options and other players score
31:49
some points beyond just, OK, let's hold it for 30 seconds and
31:53
let Bennett create and hopefully something goodwill happen.
31:56
You just can't. You can't live and die by that
31:59
each game moving forward. Gonna get into the women here at
32:02
a moment. A little football talk as well
32:03
with Tom Caker from Hawkeye Report.
32:06
I got a few texts from people at the game, the Sanfords.
32:10
They kept cutting to him on TV. And I'm sure much like fans of
32:14
everybody outside of Iowa got sick of seeing Caitlin Clark's
32:16
parents, you know, in the stands of them, cutting to them
32:18
continuously throughout the cars of the game and then wearing the
32:21
red. It was all right, a little
32:23
little bit frustrating there. You mentioned the chance, but
32:26
how about Sherm Dillard hanging out with the Sanfords?
32:27
What do you think of that? Yeah, Sherm's been around, Yes,
32:32
I think must still be in town, living in Iowa City and.
32:36
Hanging a 30 hop. He was around.
32:40
Probably he was. He was.
32:42
Around, he was around, Kirks were always there, and Kirks
32:46
spent a lot of the games too, and they were pretty excited.
32:50
Just that mainly Sherman and Kirk were there to kind of spend
32:56
some time with Aaron White, who was back for the first time
32:59
since his last game. So they were, it was great to
33:03
see why he and why he's just why he's the same guy and got 4 kids
33:07
now, fifth one on the way. And so he's he's obviously got a
33:10
big family, but he's playing over in Japan and doing really
33:13
well. Making money and coming back
33:16
sometime after his playing career finishes up, you have to
33:18
assume and he's going to have a big contingent with them and
33:20
maybe some future Hawkeye hoopers there.
33:22
Coveted in dad's spotlight, as we've obviously seen here
33:25
recently with Iowa. Why don't you jump over to the
33:27
women, great first half out of them and then playing with your
33:31
food. Just a Workman like victory in
33:33
the second-half against Purdue. Purdue, I know, was also down.
33:36
One of their better players, one of their better shooters was out
33:38
of this one. But really, the story continues
33:40
to be, even playing without Hannah Stalky, it's Taylor
33:43
Stremmelow. Taylor Stremmelow who we'd
33:45
always know. She has never lacked for
33:47
confidence, right? You can see that right away as a
33:48
freshman. She is a kind of person that
33:51
people like to rally around. But her game seems to be
33:53
catching up. Those turnovers are getting cut
33:55
down. She's knocking down 3 pointers.
33:57
If they get this Taylor Stremmelow, this is a team that
34:00
can get to the second week and get to a Sweet 16, but on top of
34:03
it maybe win an extra game. Yeah, they were, you know,
34:07
they're wondering where they would go direction wise with the
34:10
the guard position with the Taylor McCabe out for the season
34:14
with the ACL and initially tried that a deal and it just it just
34:19
seemed a little bit much for her.
34:21
And, you know, I thought Addie gave him some good minutes last
34:23
night too. But but Stromlo, 19 points in
34:26
the first half, five of five from three.
34:29
She really played well turnovers down.
34:32
She'll throw some crazy passes every once in a while.
34:35
She likes to just get a little Pete Maravich to her passing
34:38
game, real behind the backs and some stuff like that.
34:42
But it'll it'll wild the crowd a little bit and sometimes it
34:45
works. Sometimes She wouldn't have
34:47
thrown that one, but they had him.
34:50
Ava Haydn was just the dominant force in the game.
34:53
They had no answer for Ava the entire game.
34:57
And yeah, just played well. I thought hopefully Hannah will
35:02
be back for the game Sunday. I mean, as big as the game is
35:05
for the men on Sunday, it's even bigger probably for the women
35:07
because Michigan is a nationally ranked team.
35:10
And Iowa can potentially move up in the the seedings for the Big
35:15
10 tournament with the with the win against the Wolverines, who
35:19
are playing really good basketball.
35:21
So hopefully they and they probably can't.
35:24
You know, it'd be tough to win without Hannah against Michigan.
35:28
Michigan team that is the only team in the Big 10 that's really
35:30
given UCLA any kind of tussle. They had opportunity to win that
35:34
game a couple of weekends ago. So they're playing well.
35:37
Not a great 3 point shooting team, but they're athletic,
35:39
they're quick and they force turnovers.
35:41
And that goes back to kind of where we started the
35:43
conversation with Taylor Strumlow.
35:44
But as a whole, we've seen this Iowa team struggle turning the
35:47
ball over. They turn it over 1518 times
35:50
against Michigan. I think they're going to be
35:52
cooked. Yeah, they had 19 turnovers the
35:55
other night and that that second-half was just where they
35:58
were just struggling even to get it up the court sometimes
36:01
because they were turning it over so much and they got to
36:04
take care of the ball. Chitchat didn't have a great
36:06
game shooting the ball against Purdue, so hopefully she can
36:12
bounce back because when she gets her shot going just makes
36:16
Iowa a better team I think. Wrap it up with a little
36:18
football talk with Tom Caker from Hawkeye Report.
36:21
Tom, Omar Young off to the NFL after one season.
36:25
Go back to I know you were there down in Florida when Kamari
36:28
Moulton was talking about the relationship.
36:31
Strain's not the right word. It just seemed off.
36:33
It's very rare when a question comes up about a coach and the
36:36
kind of response that Bolton gave.
36:39
I guess this doesn't come as a shock, but for the second
36:41
straight year, looking for a new running back coach.
36:44
Just didn't seem like a great fit.
36:47
I don't know if Omar's heart was in it.
36:49
I think Omar came for a job and not to not as a destination.
36:54
So I'm going to be interested this time because one of the
36:57
finalists for the job was Jason Manson, who was, you know, kind
37:00
of in a analyst role right now for the offense.
37:04
And it's working with the offense, but quarterbacks a
37:08
little bit. Just wonder if maybe they'll
37:12
slide him into that position. But I know Kirk's going to open
37:15
it up. There was somebody else that
37:17
interviewed for the job, but I've never been able to figure
37:19
out who it was. But there were like 3 candidates
37:22
at the end, and Omar was one of them.
37:24
Jason Manson was one of them. And there was somebody else that
37:27
Tim Lester really liked. And Kirk really kind of let's
37:30
Tim Lester kind of make the final decision or at least give
37:34
the final recommendation to him. So it's somebody that Tim Lester
37:38
is going to be comfortable with too.
37:40
So we'll see what happens. Yeah, Jason Manson would make a
37:44
lot of sense. And you're talking about a
37:45
destination former Hawkeye player now with Sons on the
37:48
team. That one obviously would be kind
37:50
of the easiest 1. He also moved up from the player
37:52
developmental role into an offensive staff member this last
37:55
season. So I guess if, you know, I like
37:58
odds a little bit, he'd be the betting favorite at this point.
38:00
And I, I saw and I get a chuckle and I've seen that in your
38:04
message boards for 25 years. Now is all right, there's a
38:07
coaching opening. Doesn't matter if it's a head
38:09
coach or assistant. Now here comes the slew of
38:10
former Hawkeyes. But the Albert one young one
38:13
that was thrown out, I kind of like that one.
38:17
Yeah, Albert Young would be interesting.
38:20
I don't know that he has any college experience at this point
38:23
yet, but that might be the the knock on him.
38:28
But yeah, there's Desmond King and Marvin Mcnutt and you know,
38:33
it's it's always you get the Rolodex out of former Iowa
38:38
players. And I'm sure those guys.
38:40
You know, I think AY would be interesting, especially because
38:44
he's going to he'd open up some doors maybe in recruiting in New
38:46
Jersey again, But we'll have to have to see where what direction
38:52
Kirk goes. You know, there's one time where
38:54
he went to a high school running backs coach or a high school
39:00
coach in in Florida, and that was Liddell Bats.
39:03
Worked out well. Worked out well and now, but
39:06
once those guys get in that that NFL roulette, they want to stay
39:10
in that thing because it's a heck of a lot easier than trying
39:13
to navigate the world today of college sports.
39:15
One final thing I saw over with your guys's recruiting side of
39:19
things and some talk about potentially Iowa in some pretty
39:22
big quarterback targets out of the high school level.
39:25
You know, is it a real sign that Tim Lester is starting his
39:29
messaging starting to work? We've seen some improvements in
39:32
the passing game. It's also very early in the
39:34
process for a lot of those guys. Some good names, some exciting
39:37
names are those quarterbacks that I was in on and has some
39:40
visits coming up. Are you optimistic that I was
39:42
going to be able to land a a big name out of the high school
39:45
market for a quarterback next year?
39:48
I actually AM I think they they've gotten in with some good
39:53
guys now. They were really in on the
39:55
Braylon Warren kid from Omaha West side, but he committed to
40:00
to Mizzou in December. You know, they they, but there's
40:04
there's a good crop in the Chicago area this year, which
40:08
which is going to help. And Jake New Rock was one of the
40:11
guys from Hershey High School who's.
40:14
Dad was, you know, former Hawkeye.
40:16
So I there's some ties there with the with the Iowa program.
40:21
He's going to be visiting in April, so we'll see if they can
40:24
get him. But Israel Abrams is another kid
40:26
that they're really interested in from Montanini Catholic up in
40:31
Chicago. So that that's another guy to
40:34
watch in that group. But they're they've got some
40:37
good options and I think they feel pretty good about the
40:41
options that they have right now.
40:43
Tom Caker joining us as he does Fridays.
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Appreciate the time as always Tom and road trip for you up to
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mad time. You leaving Saturday morning are
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you going to or Sunday morning are you going to go up a day
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early? I'm going to go up Sunday
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morning, just going to hang out at home and watch some good
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college basketball on Saturday with, you know, Duke and
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Michigan and Arizona, Houston. I mean, there's some good
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college buckets coming up, so that'd be fun.
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Safe travels up to Madison. We'll talk to you next week.
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OK, thanks. That's Tom Caker,
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hawkeyereport.com as we talk Hawkeyes on a Friday.
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Coming up next on Miller and Conda.
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Nick Maravitz hanging out with me today.
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We are going to get into couple of news items, including is this
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real, the Chicago Bears to Indiana.
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That's next. Wrapping up our number one of
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two, it's Miller in Condon on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
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I'm Trent Condon, joined by Nick Maravitz.
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Locked on Cyclones. Yes, I hit the locked on Hawkeye
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side of things. And Nick, boy, you've had a lot
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of content here. You've got a content machine
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over there with the Cyclones, football and basketball.
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What you got in here over the last month or so?
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It's been very busy is one way to put it for sure.
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We're super excited about the football side of things.
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I went and listened to all of the coaches that spoke to the
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media and I'll tell you what Ross Watson is, is one of my
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favorites. I the way that guy speaks.
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I just fired up for this new staff.
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And then on basketball side of things, obviously just an
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incredible year. No matter how it ends.
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It's been a a super fun 2-3 months here.
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Not been fun for Bears fans in Chicago.
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And after the talk for years now, Arlington Heights was going
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to be the destination. The family bought the land out
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there where the racetrack was. This was going to be an easy go
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of it. Well, it isn't.
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And you know, talking earlier this week, we had David Kaplan
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on from ESPN 1000. He brought up something
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absolutely crazy, was absolutely befuddling.
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If they go ahead with the plans at Arlington Heights and the tax
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rate that is currently there doesn't change on a yearly basis
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just in taxes, the Chicago Bears and the family would have to
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spend 100, $1,000,000 a year just in taxes.
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You talk about cutting off your knees.
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That is the case. That was what I heard that from
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Kathy. That was the most eye opening
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thing to me, just showing that the financials, all right,
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they're all rich people, who really cares.
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That's a completely different level compared to what they go.
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In fact, a place that's actually closer to downtown Chicago in
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Hammond, IN than Arlington Heights would be.
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That one, though, was an eye opener, and it certainly makes
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sense from the financial component.
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Nobody in the NFL pays $100 million a year in taxes.
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Yeah, well, just even comprehending that number is is
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hard for me to wrap my head around.
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So I guess I can't necessarily blame them for shopping around.
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And and when you brought this segment up to me, I wanted to
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ask you a question. It was the first thing that
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popped in my mind because we talked about if the bears were
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to come to Iowa, right? Like, what would that look like?
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I mean, would you rather the bears be in Indiana or somewhere
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in Iowa? That that would be a crazy
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thought that Iowa finally, because how many years has it
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been where it's I oh, we don't have a pro team, but you can't
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say that anymore. It was grandstanding out of, and
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I don't even know who introduced it, you know, out of out of our
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people. We don't talk politics here, but
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that's the ultimate grand state. There is no way in the world.
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Hammond, it's just a suburb, right?
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It's connected to Chicago. They're not coming to Quad
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Cities. They're not coming to Davenport.
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They're not going to put them in Mason City.
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It's not going to happen. It is going to be somewhere in
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the Chicagoland area. And Hammond makes the most sense
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with the brakes that are there and he can make fun of it.
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But there's so many teams that do the same thing.
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In fact, Hammond IN is closer, as I mentioned, than Arlington
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Heights. You have other teams, the Giants
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and The Jets don't play in New York or still the New York Jets,
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they play in New Jersey. We have the Commanders who don't
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play in DC anymore, though they're going to go back
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eventually. They play in Virginia.
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This happens all over the place. I mean, look at the gap in the
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distance between Santa Clara and San Francisco that is 45 miles
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away in terms of just actual mileage.
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And when you talk about drivetime, a lot longer than a
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45 minute drive for that. They're just so many components
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that I think it does make sense. And the financial aspect is a
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big one. This is also not an organization
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that is run just by a hedge fund millionaire, right?
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Billionaire. That's not what this is.
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This is still more of a family business though.
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They're acting finally financially more like a big boy
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in the way that they should as an order of the Chicago Bears.
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That is also a component. It's just there's so many things
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that outside of if you are a Chicagoan, I really don't think
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should matter. And me as a Bears fan, this is a
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nothing burger. Put them wherever makes sense of
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whatever ultimately helps you as an organization the most
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financially. I'm fine with that.
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And it would be a great thing, I think, for not just the area
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having that kind of building, just because the address happens
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to, say, Indiana, it's still the Chicago Bears.
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That's what I was going to ask. And to piggyback off of the
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financial side of things, when you look at like what the
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Broncos did right or what they've kind of done since they
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brought Sean Payton in, it does prove that money and ownership
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is a very real part of the NFL. We talk about money on the
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college side of things all the time, but it's very real in in
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the NFL side as well. Nick Berevitz hanging out with
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me today, Trent, Connor Miller and Connor continues our number
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2 next on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.