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The Late Debate | 8 June · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait, Welcome to the Late Base.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us for a brand new week I'm
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  Speaker 2: James Macpherson with the nigir To Georgio and Joe Hildebrand.
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  Speaker 1: How was your weekend, guys.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, not too bad but quiet quiet.
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  Speaker 1: I would say, you've had a few quiet weekends lately
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  Speaker 1: I have.
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  Speaker 3: This is very rare, isn't it. It's been nice. The
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  Speaker 3: weather hasn't well.
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  Speaker 4: Actually the weather was good over the weekend though. It
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  Speaker 4: was nice to walk in the sun.
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  Speaker 1: I was at Hamilton Island. The weather was beautiful. North
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  Speaker 1: Queensland at this time of year is the place to be.
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  Speaker 1: It's wonderful.
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  Speaker 5: I was in my lounge room and I only left
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  Speaker 5: it to go on some show called Quizzical.
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  Speaker 1: How'd you go on that show? I heard that you
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  Speaker 1: lost again?
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  Speaker 5: Be sure I won? Look, I don't have the exact
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  Speaker 5: details in front of me, but I assume I remember
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  Speaker 5: winning very clearly.
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  Speaker 1: There's always this Sunday, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: You can all right, let's get into the program.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: DC Comics have unveiled a new version of wonder Woman,
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  Speaker 2: except she's trans It's less a case of wonder Woman
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  Speaker 2: and more a case of wonder Hippits or woman. A
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales real estate pagent tells her tenant to
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  Speaker 2: stop flying the Australian flag because it's making the rental
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  Speaker 2: house a target, and the Coalition have decided the best
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  Speaker 2: way to count the rise of one nation is to
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  Speaker 2: paint Pauline Hanson as a MAGA supporter.
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  Speaker 1: But will it backfire?
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  Speaker 2: All of that coming up shortly, but first, the new
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  Speaker 2: poll shows Victorians are warming up the electoral guillotine for
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  Speaker 2: Labor the head of the November state election. The Freshwater
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  Speaker 2: Strategy poll has the Coalition leading the ALP fifty three
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  Speaker 2: to forty seven on a two party preferred basis, and
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  Speaker 2: with Jacinta Allen's popularity falling even further, she now has
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  Speaker 2: a net popularity approval of minus thirty seven. Talk of
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  Speaker 2: replacing her will only intensify. But is there any point
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  Speaker 2: changing leaders less than six months out from an election?
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  Speaker 2: Fifty seven percent of voters say a change in the
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  Speaker 2: Labor leadership will make no difference to how they vote
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  Speaker 2: on November twenty eight, So the Niker to Georgio. Pretend
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  Speaker 2: you're a Labour strategist, you switch leaders.
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  Speaker 1: Already hold your nerve and hope things turn around.
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  Speaker 4: I think at this point nothing's really going to turn around.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, just into Alan, it was only a couple
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  Speaker 4: of weeks ago she went door to door if you remember,
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  Speaker 4: door knocking, desperately try to make people like her.
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  Speaker 3: She's used that social.
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  Speaker 4: Media campaign where she's trying to basically get more younger
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  Speaker 4: people on board, and she's outspent Daniel Andrews on that
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  Speaker 4: social media campaign. This is actually quite an interesting pole
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  Speaker 4: and at points to the fact in recent weeks we've
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  Speaker 4: had a lot of leadership brumblings that have emerged in
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  Speaker 4: the papers saying that just Into Allen's time is nearing
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  Speaker 4: the end, and you've got a number of Labor MPs
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  Speaker 4: coming out say no, no, I'm not going to challenge her. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 4: nothing's ever going to happen. I don't believe that for
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  Speaker 4: one bit. And I think that this now will push
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  Speaker 4: them over the edge. And I think that she could
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  Speaker 4: potentially be gone with only months to go until this election.
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  Speaker 3: The majority want her gone.
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  Speaker 4: According to this latest poll of voters, it says thirty
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  Speaker 4: nine percent of labor voters as well. And I think
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  Speaker 4: that's quite interesting given that this is a traditional labor
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  Speaker 4: stronghold state and also so a union stake. It's also
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  Speaker 4: a boost for the coalition. At the same time that
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  Speaker 4: two party preferred vote the best since nineteen ninety nine.
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  Speaker 4: The question is is Jess Wilson cutting through or is
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  Speaker 4: this simply a case that labor just sucks? And I
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  Speaker 4: would assume actually it's probably a little bit of both.
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  Speaker 3: If you look at the better.
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  Speaker 4: Premiere polling as well, Jess Wilson's polling at forty nine
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  Speaker 4: percent just into Allen at twenty five percent. So you
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  Speaker 4: would think that the Liberal Party would be very much
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  Speaker 4: so buoyed by that result, given that Jess Wilson has
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  Speaker 4: only herself been in that leadership role for a short
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  Speaker 4: amount of time. And then would a leadership change make
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  Speaker 4: labor voters then go back to the Labor party twenty
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  Speaker 4: nine percent, yes, fifty seven percent said no difference. Now,
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  Speaker 4: if you go buy this poll and polls prior to that,
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  Speaker 4: Victorians had had enough.
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  Speaker 3: The question is.
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  Speaker 4: Will they have the guts to actually make this change,
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  Speaker 4: Because we hear it all the time Victorian voters. They
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  Speaker 4: say we're fed up, we're done, and so far we
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  Speaker 4: still have a labor government down in Victoria.
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  Speaker 5: Well, this is the first chance they've got since they
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  Speaker 5: last re elected Tan Andrews. Yet again, there's a lot
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  Speaker 5: of interesting things in this poll. The first thing is
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  Speaker 5: it's a fresh water pole and this is the same
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  Speaker 5: Poland outfit that got the federal election result hopelessly wrong
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  Speaker 5: and was saying that the coalition was going to romp
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  Speaker 5: it in. So let's just park that to one side.
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  Speaker 5: They were already rumblings that Ben Carroll was going to
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  Speaker 5: roll and his supporters were going to roll just into
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  Speaker 5: Alan in fact, this has been in train for months
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  Speaker 5: and months, if not years in fact, and finally restore
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  Speaker 5: the party, which is dominated completely by the left now
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  Speaker 5: at every level, the caucus and the state branch has
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  Speaker 5: been taken over by the left dominated national organization. So
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  Speaker 5: it is just a lay down as wall to wall.
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  Speaker 5: Left and the forces of truth and justice in the
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  Speaker 5: American way have been fighting to try and win that
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  Speaker 5: back for years now. The only question is how do
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  Speaker 5: you do it? So the catch twenty two here is
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  Speaker 5: that Labor is going to get so bad, badly pants
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  Speaker 5: at this election and so absolutely crippled. If you've got
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  Speaker 5: someone who you think is a really good leadership candidate
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  Speaker 5: in the form of Ben Carroll. Then you don't want
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  Speaker 5: to waste him on that. You don't want to tarnish
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  Speaker 5: him with, you know, and just hang hanging the millstone
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  Speaker 5: of all Alan and Andrews disasters around his neck. You
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  Speaker 5: want to keep him fresh. But of course, if they
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  Speaker 5: don't change leaderships, there may not be any party left
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  Speaker 5: to save. So a little while ago, people backing, you know,
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  Speaker 5: pulling the strings, I guess, were saying, we're not you know,
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  Speaker 5: you made this mess. We're not sending our guy in
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  Speaker 5: to clean it all up for you. Screw you. You
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  Speaker 5: can wear it. But now the results are so so
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  Speaker 5: so existentially bad that I think they will have to
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  Speaker 5: send him in just to say the furniture. There's no
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  Speaker 5: way they're going to win. This is just about saving seats.
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  Speaker 5: And you will see left winging MPs suddenly drop their
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  Speaker 5: conscience at the door, drop their ideology at the door,
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  Speaker 5: and say we need to knife this left wing leader
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  Speaker 5: who I was once so loyal to, because otherwise I'm
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  Speaker 5: out of it.
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  Speaker 4: So you don't think that the Labor Party will win it,
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  Speaker 4: You don't think at all.
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  Speaker 3: If you don't think they will win.
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  Speaker 5: It, no way in Hell. And the other interesting thing
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  Speaker 5: about this pole is that one nation has beaten the
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  Speaker 5: Labor Party but is not ahead of the coalition, and
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  Speaker 5: that is very very important. So the only way Labor
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  Speaker 5: would have any kind of hope in Hell is if
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  Speaker 5: one nation beat the Libs. The Libs dropped out and
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  Speaker 5: then their votes kind of go all over the place,
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  Speaker 5: so wet, moderate, teerly Libs, which is very much of
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  Speaker 5: the Victorian flavor of lib They then, you know, some
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  Speaker 5: of them maybe come back to Labor and one nation
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  Speaker 5: just doesn't have the votes on the ground in the
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  Speaker 5: seats in the way and the organizational ground game to
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  Speaker 5: actually turn its support and the polls to actual seats
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  Speaker 5: in the legislative assembly. So the fact that the Libs
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  Speaker 5: are ahead, the Libs have that organizational infrastructure to actually
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  Speaker 5: translate their support into seats, and those one nation votes
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  Speaker 5: will all go to Liberal Party before they go to
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  Speaker 5: just into Allen Sow other states that might have become.
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  Speaker 2: So take your political strategist head off and pretend you're
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  Speaker 2: Ben Carroll. So every politician fancies themselves as the leader,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's state.
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  Speaker 1: Or federal level.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So if you've got the opportunity to take on
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  Speaker 2: the leadership. You know you're not going to win the election.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to end up leading an opposition that.
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  Speaker 1: Is barely there at all.
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  Speaker 2: Have you got such an ego that you take the
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  Speaker 2: leadership mantle anyway, or do you have enough self control
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  Speaker 2: and patients that you say, I'm not taking the.
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  Speaker 1: Fall for this.
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  Speaker 2: Someone else can kind of get like in cricket, where
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  Speaker 2: you're sending the night watching guess.
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  Speaker 5: The point where you actually sort of no longer have
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  Speaker 5: a choice. It's not even really up to you. The
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  Speaker 5: party says you are going to be the leader. Otherwise
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  Speaker 5: it's all over, and that's when you say, okay.
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  Speaker 4: Well, look like if you look at it even from
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  Speaker 4: a you know what happened. Just for another example, at
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  Speaker 4: a federal level, look what happened with Susan Lee. The
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  Speaker 4: Liberal Party had wanted to hold on to Susan Lee,
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  Speaker 4: wait until after the South Australian election, knowing that they
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  Speaker 4: were going to annihilated, and then that would have been
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  Speaker 4: a present of the best opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: To roll her. But because the polls were so.
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  Speaker 4: Bad one after another, they had no choice. So I
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  Speaker 4: feel like it would be the same as.
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  Speaker 5: He'd be smart enough to know. Yeah that if if labor,
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  Speaker 5: you know, if labor gets as wiped out as this
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  Speaker 5: poll and other previous poles have predicted, and the losses
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  Speaker 5: of you know, tens and tens of seats, you know,
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  Speaker 5: thirty seats apparently on its watch as being being in danger.
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  Speaker 5: If you know, I mean, firstly, anyone usually if they're
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  Speaker 5: off of the leadership, they will take it because you
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  Speaker 5: never know if you're going to get a second chance,
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  Speaker 5: and to pay rise, to pay rise. But I think
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  Speaker 5: more importantly for someone to lay a part of like
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  Speaker 5: you know, if the party, if you don't even have
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  Speaker 5: to challenge the party is saying please, will you do this,
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  Speaker 5: you'd have to have even Kevin Rudd. Yeah, like Kevin
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  Speaker 5: Rudd refused to challenge Julia Gillard after the first time
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  Speaker 5: and the and he just had to keep waiting and waiting,
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  Speaker 5: and he wouldn't do anything, wouldn't lift a finger, remembers
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  Speaker 5: Simon Crean. They called him the suicide bomber. God rest
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  Speaker 5: his soul because he went out there to try and
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  Speaker 5: blow it. And Kevin runs a nut. I'm not running
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  Speaker 5: until you come and beg on your knees for me
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  Speaker 5: to come back. Very mature. But you know that's you know,
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  Speaker 5: if gets the point where that is what the party
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  Speaker 5: is doing. With Ben Carroll saying please please please, we're
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  Speaker 5: left wing amp saying we will switch factions maybe for you,
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  Speaker 5: or we will just throw our support behind you. That's
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  Speaker 5: when the Victorian labor right, which has been quite divided recently,
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  Speaker 5: but we'll say, right, this is our chance to actually
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  Speaker 5: take control of the party room, to then hopefully take
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  Speaker 5: control of the party structure and actually rebuild and reclaim
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  Speaker 5: the Victorian alp for the right instead of the left,
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  Speaker 5: which is what has got it into this mess in
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  Speaker 5: the first place. So there's your three D chess for you.
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  Speaker 3: It is quite three D chess, isn't it. That is
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  Speaker 3: for sure.
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  Speaker 4: Now, look, this is fascinating working from home. A lot
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  Speaker 4: of employers have adopted this model since COVID and they
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  Speaker 4: haven't changed. But they're so worried about what their employees
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  Speaker 4: are actually doing when they're at home, they're hiring private
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  Speaker 4: investigators to go and check up on them. What is
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  Speaker 4: the point of having a work from home policy if
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  Speaker 4: you need to hire private investigators? But the luxury, according
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  Speaker 4: to private investigator this is Amy Elliott. She runs the
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  Speaker 4: National Inquiry Agency. She has told The Daily Mail that
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  Speaker 4: since the pandemic, she's been asked to spy on workers.
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  Speaker 4: She says, it's usually just a quick door knock. Sometimes
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  Speaker 4: we don't even do that. We just check if their
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  Speaker 4: car is there, or if there's movement in the house.
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  Speaker 3: We can tell all that just by walking by.
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  Speaker 4: If I've got their mobile number and it's not on silence,
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  Speaker 4: I'll ring it from a burner number I can hear
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  Speaker 4: it from inside the house.
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  Speaker 3: Look, this is this extraordinary.
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  Speaker 4: Now forty six percent, nearly half of employed Australians are
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  Speaker 4: now working from home.
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  Speaker 3: This, Amy Elliott said.
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  Speaker 4: In one instance, she followed a person around for eight
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  Speaker 4: hours and this individual went and did a couple of
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  Speaker 4: rounds on the golf course before socializing, went out for
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  Speaker 4: some drinks and a meal, and one person said that
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  Speaker 4: they had cancer and needed to take several sick days.
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  Speaker 4: And Amy Elliott found this person did not have cancer
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  Speaker 4: and had lied. Now, these are clearly the most extreme
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  Speaker 4: cases of working from home. But the question is why
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  Speaker 4: would you implement working from home rights to then go
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  Speaker 4: and hire a private investigator. And I can't imagine that
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  Speaker 4: these pis are cheap they wouldn't be cheap to go
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  Speaker 4: and spy on people twenty four to seven. Why would
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  Speaker 4: you bother just say, you know what, No, working from
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  Speaker 4: home is a privilege, but it's over now.
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  Speaker 3: You need to come back to the office.
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  Speaker 4: If you don't like it, then you have to leave
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  Speaker 4: your place of employment. Because one of the employers that
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  Speaker 4: was quoted in this article said that they do it
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  Speaker 4: to make it easier to try and fire a person.
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  Speaker 3: And I can probably understand.
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  Speaker 2: That if you're a Victoria, if you're an employee, don't
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  Speaker 2: have a choice now because the labor government want.
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  Speaker 3: To manage well they have they have ready mandated yeah.
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  Speaker 2: To work from home, so you haven't got the option.
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  Speaker 2: I don't see a problem with this. Number One, If
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  Speaker 2: I'm a boss and I'm employing a PI, it's because
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  Speaker 2: I've already got concerns about your productivity and I am worried.
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  Speaker 2: So now i want evidence because clearly there is a
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  Speaker 2: lack of performance. Now I'm investigating as to why. Second,
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  Speaker 2: if i'm a boss, i'm paying you for your time,
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  Speaker 2: I'm paying you to work from home. If you're not
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  Speaker 2: working from home, I should know because you're ripping me off.
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  Speaker 2: And Third, bosses monitor you when you go to the office.
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  Speaker 2: They check what time you arrive, They monitor how long
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  Speaker 2: you take a lunch break, they check what time you leave. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying actively, but all these things are noted.
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  Speaker 2: So if you don't have a problem with being monitored
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  Speaker 2: at the office, why do you have a problem with
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  Speaker 2: being monitored at home? Well, because home is my sanctuary,
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  Speaker 2: it's my castle, it's my private, private space. But when
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  Speaker 2: you agreed to work from home, you've now blurred the
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  Speaker 2: lines of what is private, what is sanctuary, what is castle?
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  Speaker 2: Now it's a workplace. Why would you be upset that
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  Speaker 2: the boss is wanting to check you're there?
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  Speaker 5: But you said that, brother McPherson, I warned about this.
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  Speaker 5: They laughed at me, They said I was crazy. When
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  Speaker 5: this story first broke last week. I said, you will
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  Speaker 5: have pee eyes peering through your window to see if
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  Speaker 5: you're home. You could be getting out of the shower
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  Speaker 5: and the towel just happens to fall down. A binocule
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  Speaker 5: happens to me all the time. Next thing you know,
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  Speaker 5: the Daily Mail has got you on their homepage and saying, O, look,
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  Speaker 5: it's all quite impressive. It really should he be walking
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  Speaker 5: around and but yeah, obviously this was always going to
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  Speaker 5: be the result. And I think it is really, really,
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  Speaker 5: really really creepy. And I think that if you are
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  Speaker 5: a boss who has to hire a private investigator to
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  Speaker 5: find out why your employees are not as productive as
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  Speaker 5: you want them to be, you should not be in
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  Speaker 5: a boss. You should not be in business. You are
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  Speaker 5: in the wrong game.
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  Speaker 1: What are they supposed to do?
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  Speaker 5: Well, you can have a talk to the employee. If
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  Speaker 5: it's about productivity, If you say, look, you're not reducing enough,
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  Speaker 5: you have a talk to your employer and say, listen,
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  Speaker 5: this is where your productivity has gone downhill. This is
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  Speaker 5: what we want you to do. This is we sit down.
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  Speaker 5: You deal with everything else in life. You sit down
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  Speaker 5: and say, right, this is what we want from you.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, the person can say, well I can
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  Speaker 5: do this or I can't do that, blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 5: So if you can't do this from home, then you
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  Speaker 5: have to come into the office.
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  Speaker 2: It's so hard to send people these days. You've got
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  Speaker 2: to get evidence. And that's what I anticipate these bosses
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  Speaker 2: are doing there. They're building a case to remove an
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  Speaker 2: unproductive employee.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they have to do that because it's so difficult, they.
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  Speaker 4: Should have it, but they should have the evidence in
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  Speaker 4: front of them. If you've given your staff member deadlines
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  Speaker 4: to do X, Y and Z and they have not
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  Speaker 4: been able to do that, and you've given them multiple
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  Speaker 4: warnings about their performance and they still have not come
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  Speaker 4: to the table, you have enough evidence to say, listen,
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  Speaker 4: you're not pulling your weight in this company. And if
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  Speaker 4: you cannot have as a boss, as an employer, a
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  Speaker 4: serious conversation with your staff member, a stern conversation that
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  Speaker 4: I would agree with your point, you are absolutely not
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  Speaker 4: in the right job and you should not be an
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  Speaker 4: employer because you've got to make tough decisions and that's
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  Speaker 4: just the way it is.
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  Speaker 3: And if you don't like it, leave the company. See
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  Speaker 3: you later.
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  Speaker 2: So do you have a A Is this a privacy issue
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  Speaker 2: that you object to?
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  Speaker 3: No, it's just what's the point of hiring a PI?
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  Speaker 3: What is the point?
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  Speaker 1: What's the problem with it?
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  Speaker 3: But what's the point of hiring a PI?
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  Speaker 4: Then if you're so worried about what your staff members
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  Speaker 4: are doing at home, wouldn't you just say no, that's it, we're.
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  Speaker 3: Not doing a work from home policy.
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: I want all staff in the office, so that I'm
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: monitoring everybody twenty four to seven and I'm on top
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: of productivity at all times.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: Assuming now that you can't get staff unless you offer
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: work from home or you're in Victoria, Well, the government
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: change rate, how you run your business.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: Change roles.
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: Go and work in the government, Go work for government,
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: then I don't go and work in the private sector.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: If you want a hybrid model, go and work in government.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: If you want to work from home, be prepared for
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: your employers to monitor your behavior.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: I completely disagree. I think that's a waste of time.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: Why tell me why you disagree.
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: Because what's the point of hiring a brief investigator, James.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: These people would be charging a mint to go and
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: do it.
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: Think it's a bad investment. You've got no problem with
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: people ping through your window while you're having your Yeah,
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: you just got out of the Yeah.
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: But I think it's more just it just it just
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: defeats the purpose of the trust that you haven't in
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: your employee. And if they're not doing it, you should
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: have the stats in front of you to have a set.
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: That's right if your employees are taking them. I mean,
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: there's always a few bad eggs, but by and large
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: people want to do the right thing. They don't work
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: and produce stuff because they think they're being monitored twenty
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: four to seven, or the bosses sitting outside the toilet,
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: we'll stop watch to how long they've gone. They do
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: it because they you know, they're proud of what they do.
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: They want to do a good job, and that is
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: you know, that is satisfying to people. And they're doing
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: a job presumably that they want to do. It might
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: not be perfect. And so if you're providing a workplace
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: that is so toxic that people don't want to go
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: into it and is so unproductive that you think that
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: they're off, you know, playing nine holes of goal off
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: when yeah, in fact, they kind of were in that
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: one case. But you know, then there is a problem
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: with your hiring. There is a problem with your company culture.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: And kind to say, I'm a little disappointed in the
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: like I thought it would be like kind of cool spy, but.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: They just knock on the door.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: Okay, we know you want to be a big brother.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: We know we know that you like to be big bro.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: We've established that already.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: Can be hiding under your bed, James, there much more.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: James Bond.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Right, Let's go to Queensland, where the LNP government I
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: think made a really good decision banning miners from being
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: prescribed puberty blockers. Now that was challenged in court. They
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: then adjusted the legislation. The upshot is, if you're a
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: young person in Queensland with gender dysphoria, you cannot be
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: prescribed puberty blockers.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Or cross sex hormones.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Now there's a class action being taken against the Queensland government.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: This is being led by the LGBTI Legal Service in
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Queensland and they are seeking orders that the ban not
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: only be overturned, but a private in person apology and
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: a public one to those affected be made and up
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: to fifty thousand dollars in compensation be paid to every
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: member of the class action, namely miners diagnosed with gendernysphoraa
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: for hurt, humiliation, embarrassment and distress.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: The interesting thing.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: About this case, Joe, is that they are alleging discrimination
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: based on the fact if I'm a male wanting to
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: transition to female, then I need female hormones. But they're
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: denying me female hormones because I'm a male. So they're
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: alleging sex discrimination. This is where I think it falls down,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: because they're relying on biological sex to be both.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Real and unreal all in the same court case.
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: Sex discrimination commissioner gets ahold of this.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Exactly because I'm a biological male, you're discriminating against me
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: by not giving me female hormones, and I need female
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: hormones so I can become a woman. Because biology has
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: nothing to do with sex. Can you argue both those
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: things at the same time. It's nonsensical.
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: I have no doubt that they will try to, and
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: I'm to be honest, I kind of if you put
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: assuming that this person is not just used as a
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: vessel for a test case for activist I geologues who
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: want to see if this works or not, assuming this
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: kid like I'm just trying to imagine myself in the
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: mind of these things. If you absolutely one hundred percent
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: know and I've got issues with people who where it's
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: misdiagnosed or misrepresented if it's actually something else. But if
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: you actually one hundred percent know that you are a
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: girl inside a male body, or a male or a
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: boy inside a female body, and there's something that could
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: just stop you from getting worse, So no actual surgery
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: or anything like that, but something that just stops delays
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: the onset of puberty until you can properly consent to
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: the surgery once you turn eighteen. I can't. I am
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: very sympathetic to that. And the problem is it's so
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: hard now to know the difference between those actual completely
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: one hundred percent child driven cases and others where you've
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: got parents who are sort of imposing their own kind
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: of ideology or encouraging the kids to sort of explore
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: all their different general identities and not just sort of
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: assuming that they are what they are. So it's a
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: really I don't know, it's a really interesting one for me,
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: but I think it is. It is deeply ironic obviously
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: that suddenly biological sex is real if you want to
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: claim you're being discriminated against, but it's just a sort
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: of social construct if you want to decide your own gender.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: But again, that's a difference between sex and gender, and
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: that is what they would say. I'd say, there's biological
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: sex and then there's your gender. One is socially constructed,
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: the gender one is a biological reality. Does this effects
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: So it's a tiny.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Number of people, it is a tiny, tiny and I
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: am of the firm belief that children do deserve the
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: best practice, Joe, but one that is based on medicine
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: and science and not based on feelings of the day,
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: and that you may be a different gender. Okay, few
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: points to make on this. I'm baffled that we live
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: in a country where a tribunal is able to make
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: this decision and rule in favor of a minor. We
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: obviously don't know how old this child is, but they're
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: obviously under at the age of eighteen. What happens if
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: years down the track, these children, these teenagers, change their
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: mind and they have suffered them with potentially irreversible damage
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: to their own bodies. Thirdly, Australia is once again lagging
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: behind the rest of the world. The UK had the
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: cast Review a couple of years ago based off findings
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: from the Tavistock Clinic over there, and it found that
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: there was gaps in evidence regarding the use of puberty
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: blockers and cross sex hormones. So we just I can't
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: quite get my head around the fact that now a
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: Queensland tribunal has ruled that these teenagers who claim to
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: be suffering from gender dysphoria can pursue a class action
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: themselves against what I think was a very significant ruling,
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: a very significant ruling by the Queensland government to try
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: and protect kids, as I said, on the basis of
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: best practice based on medicine and science available, not based
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: on feelings and vibe.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: But the problem with this case is that everything you've
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: said is all absolutely true but irrelevant because they're not
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: basing it on any of that. They're basing it on
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: a case of sex discrimination. You're not letting me take
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: female hormones because I'm a boy.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: That's sexist.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Just because I'm a boy doesn't mean I shouldn't be
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: allowed those hormones.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: So they've found a loophole to be clever.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: But where I think you're absolutely spot on is it
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: seems to me to be very dangerous to take a
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: loophole to exploit the law designed to protect children in order.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: To make a political point.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I'm sure some people feel very sincere that this is
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: the best thing.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's for these children, the.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: Activist law fair. But I guess and this is the
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: problem that this thing which now go on about it
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: all the time, that this is something that clearly does like,
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: I know people who were girls born as boys, right,
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: I have friends who are that and you would know
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: them too. You know Kate McGregor, Carlotta, you know another
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: friend of mine called Kate dik. But the problem is
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: that this has become such a politicized issue that these
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: decisions are being made on the basis of politics and ideology,
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: and god forbid, people are being encouraged to explore saying
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: are you sure you're a boy? Because people want to
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: be so sort of right on, which is you know,
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: in a kid who's suggestible can be a very dangerous thing.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: You think, oh, maybe my mum and dad want me
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: to be blah blah blah blah blah. And so if
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: you've got idiots like that who are encouraging it, if
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: you've got activists where you're being rewarded and you're getting
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: lots of the tension for saying that you've got this
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: crisis of identity again, that's a very powerful incentive for
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: a kid to say something. We know that kids often
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: pretend so, so it is a horrendous self goal for
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: this huge activist movement that is completely disproportionate to the
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: number of people who are actually affected by this where
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: you will get those goals where people feel like they've
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: been pressured or pushed into it, and suddenly that will
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: undermine a whole thing for a very small number of people,
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: for whom it's simply a medical issue or it is
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: just a matter of how they feel. Do you know
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: what I mean?
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Which leads us perfectly Denic to.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Go, here we go.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: Now look the weird and wonderful, woke world that we
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: live in.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: You'll all recall.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Linda Carter, the original Wonder Woman. Let's bring her up here,
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: this beautiful woman who I would.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: Say, wondrous woman.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: The wondrous Woman I.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Think tantalized a lot of there she is a lot
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: of Oh no, no, that's not it. No, no, no,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: we need we need Linda Carter. Please bring us the og,
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: the og on the screen.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Who here we go? There we go? Who tantalized many
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: a man? I would say, gentlemen, am I.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: Correct at our age? Who does not remember.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: That afternoon our school come back to watch wonder Woman?
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: Well, unfortunately DC Comics has gone down the woke train,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: and wonder Woman has now become a trans character, a
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: trans character.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: There you go, so forget Linda Carter. Here we go.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: This is part of the trans Power Fantasy miniseriies. So
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: this new series centers around this character openly trans. Dreamer
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: is the name living in an alternative reality universe. The
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: first issue of Justice League dream Girls has been released
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: as part of DC's annual Pride Publishing initiative. So forget
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Linda Carter, everybody, it's now Dreamer the trans Woman, as
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: part of DC Comics. And I worry that. I'm I
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: know DC Comics going the way of Hollywood. Remember we've
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: seen so many woke Hollywood movies. There was snow White,
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: the Little Mermaid, which cast an African American lead. Ghostbusters
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: had an all woman carts and they're all bombing. So
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: DC Comics is it going down the same pathway?
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: This is the thing, isn't it. There's there's no you know,
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: there's no problem with having black characters or all female
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: casts replacing all male casts. As long as it's a
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: good movie, as long as it's goods, as long as
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: it's good, they're doing it. Well, yes, obviously that's when
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: they do it just for the sake of it, without
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: any other justification. So Dreamer has not technically replaced one.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: It's an alternate universe, so comics indeed it certainly some
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: people would say, we're living at an alternate universe where this
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: is even happening. But it's an alternate universe in which,
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: you know, Wonder Woman's place instead of Silhouette or whatever
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: in the pantheon is taken by Dreamer. So here on Earth,
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: wonder Woman is still wonder Woman, and she's still one.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: But again, exactly what I was talking about before. It
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: is this kind of stuff that makes people think, holy crap,
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: now they've coming after Wonder Woman. This is just bonkers,
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: and people do just so.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Wonder Woman was invented in nineteen forty one by William Marston,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: who was a psychologist. I would love to know that's
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: what he would think about his creation wonder Woman, putting
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: on his psychologist hat. He was also partly the inventor
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: of the polygraph test. Oh really yeah, So I'd love
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: to know what he would think in terms of psychology
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: and in truth versus falsehood of now a trans person
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: being represented as wonder Woman, more wonder Man than.
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: Anything wonder identifies as a woman.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: What I wish that the LGBTQ community would do is
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: invent your own icons. Stop colonizing every other cultural icon.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Invent your own rather than turn Wonder Woman who we all.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: Love, Joe, that's not like you invented Kylie into.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Wonder blow another one exactly. All right, let's go to
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: New South Wales for a moment. This is an incredible
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: story to me. A woman who's renting a home here
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: in New South Wales told by a real estate agent
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: she can't fly an Australian flag or let her tell
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: her story.
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: Have listened this morning we had a routine house inspection
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: and the first thing that the real estate said when
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: she got to the front door is I'm going to
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: have to take this Australian flag down before I can
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: start the inspection. I just looked at her and said, okay, sure, whatever. Obviously,
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: she proceeded to tell me that she doesn't have an
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: issue with it, it's whatever, but the owner believes by
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: having it up, our house might become a target.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Flying an Australian flag at the front of your house
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: will make your house a target. I actually think they
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: might be quite right, depending on.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Where you live.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: That's the part that fascinates me, not so much that
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: the real estate agent said you need to take it down,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: but that people are now genuinely concerned that might make
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: our house a target for I don't know, someone to
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: egg it, the islanders, someone to what does that say
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: about our country? What does that say about patriotism. If
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: it had been the LGBTQ flag, or a Palestinian flag,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: or any other flag, it would have been fine, and
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: the real estate agent would have been loath to suggest
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: that it be removed. But it's an Australian flag, makes
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: your house of target. Please take it down?
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: The land correct?
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: Had it been the pro Palestine flag lgbt IQ, nobody
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: would have battered a nihilid. But because it's the Australian flag,
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: for some reason, the left see it as a symbol
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: of division.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: Or a symbol of hatred, colonial pressure.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Colonial colonial oppression.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: And this is why the culture wars matter in this country,
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: because you've got this progressive left trying to desperately tear
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: down everything that made this country once great, and they
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: associate it with our wonderful flag.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: My point is, could the landlord not be a progressive
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: left you could the landlord genuinely be a person who thinks,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: you know what the way our culture is at the moment.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: Obviously someone's going to throw a rock through it.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: But yeah, but I mean, to even come to even
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: think of that, to even think of saying to somebody
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: take down the Australian flag, you must have some sort
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: of progressive idea.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: Old And also I mean you're aural life as you
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: can never take the side of the landlord. That's another
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: sort of thing, and.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: That is a fair point too.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: But it's this notion of no, the Australian flag doesn't
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: bring us pride, and it's just I just think again,
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: it's got to do with these culture wars.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: They do matter.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: They do matter because it's like in doctrine into people's brains.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: I see that many Palestine flags in windows all over
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: the draint, yes, and so obviously landlords aren't going around
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: tearing them down.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: That's a really interesting point.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Actually, you are far more likely to see a Palestinian
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: flag in this country than an Australian flag.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: Maybe that says more about you know.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: When I moved to Sydney.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: When I moved to Sydney and I was having a
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: look at an apartment to move into in the inner west.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Out the front of the building, one of the neighbors
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: had flying on their balcony the lgbt i Q plus
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: flag right in the middle and middle, and I immediately thought,
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: I don't think this would be the right apartment complex
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: for me, to be honest, So maybe I'm judgmental.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: On the other side, Let people fly whatever flags they want.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know how outside of the building.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: That's an interesting cultural observation, right, So the national flag
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: is no go. But pretty much any identity flag, whether
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: it's cultural or political, that's absolutely fine.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: And the only thing you can't be proud of.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Be proud of your sexuality, be proud of your gender identity,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: be proud of whatever international cause that you support, But
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: you cannot be proud of your own country.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: And it's sad or Israel or I remember that was
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: a guy at the protests with the Israeli flag who
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: got moved on. Now, one thing I do want to
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: talk about is I think forget about, you know, wars
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: in the Middle East, forget about the culture wars back home.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to be silent on this. We need
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: to sort out when you are supposed to get up
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: and give your seat to someone on a train. Because
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: my very good friend and colleague Steve Waterson has almost
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: literally into this debate. In an excellent column in The
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: Australian over the weekend, he tells a great story of
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: him coming into work one day taking the train the Metro,
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: Sydney's world class Metro, and a woman looks at him
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: and gives him a bit of a smile and he thinks, ah,
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: still got it. It turns out she thought he looked
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: so old and fat and unsteady on his feet that
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: she thought she should offer him a seat. And Steve
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: has talked about how, in fact, yes, he had had
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: a couple of a couple of cognacs the night before
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: and was feeling a little bit right the other train.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: But it got me thinking, James, yes, do we need
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: to completely flip the whole etiquette? Should women be getting
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: up and offering their seats to us, to men when
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: we are in our dotage instead of all this? Because
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: there's so the new said government has released has put
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: out stickers that say baby on board, so to get
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: rid of the awkwardness of when you're not knowing whether
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: someone is you know pregnant or has just let us
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: you know, you know, just a bit, you know, right comfortable.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: And I say people, because obviously it's not just women
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: who can get pregnant. Now we know that indeed, so
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: they've sort of solved that problem. But maybe maybe if
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: we're going to be truly equal opportunity about this, more
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: women should be getting up to let old men like
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: me with my Arthur Dick knee.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Can I say, I am quite shocked at how few
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: people offer up their seats on the Sydney Metro or
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: on trains to women or to older people.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: It's actually quite rare.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: And in answer to your question, Joe, no, I don't
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: want a woman giving up a seat for me because
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: that would then be prime facing evidence that I've gotten old.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: So God forbid that ever happens. I'd rather stand in
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: pain than take the seat of a woman rather.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: As the only woman on this panel this evening. Well,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I think that you.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: Should absolutely give up your seat as even as a
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: woman to an older Personally.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Yes, I do absolutely.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: I think it is in the end, if you are
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: a fit, young, healthy woman and you're just sitting there, no,
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: and an old person comes on a train, I would
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: get up every single time. I would never say I've
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: been embarrassed to have an old person standing right in
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: front of me and I'm just sitting there like a princess.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: I just think it's so rude.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Why do I give up my seat for you? Like,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not an old guy, You're you know, I don't.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: I do not. I do not expect it because you're
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: not old. Do you know what I mean? I do
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: not know. I don't excct that, but you know what
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: I have had. I have had men do that.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: Men you know, probably around both of your ages, say oh,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: please come and sit, and I'm thinking I don't need
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: to sit, but thank you.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Should you take them up on it? Or do you
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: reject it?
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: I take them up on it because they insist, and
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: so I feel like, okay, thank you.
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: You know I have been weird because they're just standing.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Right because they're standing in front.
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: And this is what I'm really trying to get at.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: Should you give up your seat for in the case,
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: as it was the case in this article, hungover people.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: No, not for hungover people. Bugger them, come on, no
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: bugger the bugger to hungover people. God, find your own seat.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: You're giving up our seat for you all the time.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: You know, I thought, finally this is a cause I
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: can get on board with, and now it's just disappearing.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I am going home on the train tonight, so
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: I will make it my mission to find a seat
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: for somebody in the Oh.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: There you go, James, your good deed of the day.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break when we come back.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce says it was the Bondai massacre that lit
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: the fuse for the rise of one nation. We'll talk
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: about that and all the other things that are making
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: headlines tomorrow in just a moment.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Let's take a look at what's making headlines tomorrow so
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: you hear them all. First on the late Debate, Danika
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: the Australian's got some good stories, yes.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Some cracking yarns on the front page. We'll start with
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: retaliation first, deal with Trump. Second, Israeli PM Benjamin Etnier,
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: who has defied Donald Trump by retaliating against an Iranian
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: missile bombardment on the Jewish state in an escalating in
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: an escalation, rather that threatens to derail Washington peace talks,
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: shattering the fragile April seven ceasefire of the Islamic regime
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: ranged four waves of missiles down on Israel on Sunday,
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: leading to a fierce retaliatory strike and warnings for Australians
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: to brace for renewed fuel price surges and potential interest
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: rate hikes. Though in the last hour also we've just
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: had some news in that Iran has halted the attacks
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: on Israel. Following that exchange, Tehran has said that its
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: military operation and had.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Ended, but worn it would launch.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: Harsher attacks if Israel continued what it called aggression and
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: hostile attacks, including strikes on Lebanon.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Well, look, I mean it's.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: So back and forth, downtal cat and mouse, And the
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: thing is, how on earth are you actually going to
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: get the Republic, the regime rather to the table. This
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: has been going on now since February. Are we really
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: going to see Iran come to the table and just
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: hold everything?
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Might I might be misreading you, but I disagree with
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: the characterization of it.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: It's cat and mouse.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Israel attacked a terrorist group, Hezbollah no in Ebanon.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: But I'm talking now with this this Haarrad in Israel.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: It's going back and forth.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: I think Israel have got should have full right to
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: attack Hezbollah wherever they are because they represent an existential
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: threat to the Jews living in the north of Israel.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: I'm not dismissing that.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Right, okay.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: And for Iram to attack Israel because they're trying to
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: defend Hesbelah, I think the world for gets he blaz
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: a terrorist question.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: He's a run going to actually come to the table
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: and do we genuinely think that yep, this is going
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: to be over.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Now, of course not.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: That's my point.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: They can't because it's not political. It's a religious ideology exactly.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: You cannot exactly just let that go, and they won't.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: I agree. So how long is this going to go
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: on for?
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: That's the question at top of the Australian subs banned
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: from deep diving. The Navy's Colins class submarine secretly operated
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: at a major strategic disadvantage for years when they were
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: banned from deep diving following a flood that almost sank
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: Hmas Oh dear, now I have to say that word.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: In two thousand and three, the government did not reveal
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: the band fearing it would give any potential enemy and advantage.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: In episode two of Australia series The Flood, the Commander
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: Peter Scott reveals that the flood sent his boat to
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: a depth beyond its maximum capacity.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: I think the enemy found out that our submarines couldn't
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: actually go underwater. I think that might be a slight
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: strategic a little kickup. I think he made the right call.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: There a minor hiccup.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: You reckon amazing a sub that I mean the same
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: deep diving. But really like that's like saying I've got
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: a car, works great, except the wheels don't go around.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a very good at allogy.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: I've got a car, It's fantastic, can go anywhere except
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: on the road.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Got a submarine? It just doesn't marine.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: It doesn't sub. Even though this is it doesn't sub.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: This is now ancient history, right, but I still think
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: our enemies would take great joy in this, knowing how
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: hopelessly incompetent, those running out of fense for so that
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: they allowed this situation in the.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: First China's still watching and going, well, this is there,
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: this is what they've had in the past. Also another
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: interesting story on the Olds Bondai bomb lit One Nation
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: fuse and exclusive there. Barnaby Joyce says the Bondai Beach
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: massacre was the political bomb that sparked One Nation's extraordinary rise,
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: with his defection from the Nationals making it socially acceptable
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: to be a Pauline Hanson, supporter of the former Deputy PM,
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: said he was surprised One Nations primary vote has surpassed
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: Labor for the first time in news Pol history, but
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: believes Australians had changed, change and had a gut full
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: of politicians over promising and under delivering.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: And I absolutely agree.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: I think that Pauline Hanson has been there since the nineties,
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: her policies, her views on things haven't changed, but since
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: Bondi it changed Australia and now the silent Australians are going, okay,
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: we've had enough of mass migration, the net zero con
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: job and Pauline Hanson's been that one constant.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Agreed.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: What do you think about Barnaby Joyce saying he is
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: the reason it comes like that socially acceptable to vote
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: one name.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure he's wrong about that, to be honest,
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: I think and I think it is. You know, they
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: call it the sort of psychologists and analysts sociologists have
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: this thing called the permission thing or whatever, blah blah blah.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: But basically, people who you know secretly agree with a
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: lot of what One Nation says or what thing and
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: a bit of worried about the stigma attached to it
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: won't do it. But if they see someone like Barnaby
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: Joyce do it, they see at thirty percent of Australians
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: do it, I say, oh, it's okay. Everyone else is
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: thinking like me.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I tell you who's going to hate that story tomorrow.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Patricia Cavellis because she thought she was going to be
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: the one who permission to vote for one Nation. Let's
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: go to the front page of tomorrow's Herald's son great
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: photograph of the AFL game, which of course was helping
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: to raise money for MND and a terrific result to
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Melbourne just getting in front of Collingwood right at the end.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: But the main story, as we talked about earlier, bad
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: news for Justina Allen, good news for Victorians. Paul Crushing
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: reads the headline Victorian voters are fleeing labor ahead of
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: November state election, with new polling showing the party is
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: set to be thumped at the ballot box, so just
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Sinta Allen will wake up to that tomorrow morning. I
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: think she'd rather be talking about the witch billboard than
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: about the polling.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: And machete bins probably too should love to be talking about.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: That, indeed, and vending machines, and then Spence drug overdose medicine.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: Maybe I'll just say I could just call the caucus
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: meeting first thing, first thing in the morning. We're all
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: over and done with every probably min.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: It's funny I'm pulling Hanson saying on Sunday night she
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: said she's been told two weeks and just siner Ellen
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: is gone. Pulling Hanson may have been a bit generous,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I think in the amount of time.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. I mean, I think she's the government's
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: obviously dead in the water. Her leadership is obviously dead
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: in the water. It's just a matter of when and if.
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: It's just a matter of when not if, then you
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: might as well get it over and done with. Ben
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: Carroll as much time as possible to try to, you know,
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: pull out at least some kind of you know, something
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: to say to the furniture let's go over to Adelaide
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: now with the advertiser and their front page an absolute cracker.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: We'll get to the splash in a minute. But you
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: mentioned that great footay game, and I didn't realize our
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: erstwhile colleague Caleb was was in that game. You obviously
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: turned it round for the demons. But Caleb's freeze demons
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: on fire, So.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: I think it's celeb's freeze.
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: Oh okay, we're getting on too.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: Sorry to burst the bubble of the night, but that's
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: the Lambs freeze.
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: Different, that's right. Consultants cashing in. Government spending on external
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: workers surges past four million dollars a day. That is,
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: I have to say a lot. Taxpayer funded spending on
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: external consultants or contractors has ballooned to more than four
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: million dollars a day, despite the state's public service booming
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: to record numbers. Official figures reveal, well, couts all over
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: that with a chainsaw, won't he.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: How much debt? There was a front page last week
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: about fifty bill fifty.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: Billion, and now you've got four million dollars on a
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: booming external workers.
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: Revenue streams are also very strong today. Car.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's that old chestnuts, a.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: Lot of debt, lots of revenue.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: It's because staff working from home aren't working. That's why
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: they've got a pr consultants.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: We'll get a private investigator.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: Probably are the external consultants at the spent four million
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: dollars a day on private investors find out where our
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: public service has gone exactly, and let's take a look
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: at the mercury.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: A beautiful tribute. Their legacy lives on.
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: A state funeral will be held for former Australian of
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: the Year Richard Scalia, who's died after a three year
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: battle with an aggressive brain cancer. Prime Minister Anthony Alberanezi
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: described him as one of the country's brightest lights and
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: one of.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Our biggest hearts versus Scholia died at the.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: Age of fifty nine after a battle with globe blastoma,
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: which he was diagnosed with in May twenty twenty three.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: What a incredible career that he had.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: He was a real pioneer in the cancer industry, Australian
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: of the Year of course, an absolute true blue Australian
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: and you know his legacy does.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Live on and all the work that he's done just
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: height breaking.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: It is absolutely heartbreaking and he was even when he
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: was just being blasted by the cancer, blasted by the
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: chemo or the radio or the treatments which are often
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: sort of worse than the disease, it was still running
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: every single week, and there was an incredibly moving photo
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: of him a few months ago now, but with all
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: of his family helping him to get over the finish line.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Because he was all right, we're to go to a break.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: When we come back, you've got to stick around. We've
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: got Uber Eats, we've got postal stuff ups, and we've
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: got sticky beaks, all of.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: That coming up. Uber Eats. I'm not a massive fan.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: What about you, Denika.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: No, I'm not a massive fan of it because I
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: think they've up their prices too much. The service flee
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: fee plus the delivery fee.
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: Just isn't the delivery the service. This is the thing
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: like thick is too much.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: They jack it up and there's peak hour you suddenly
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: get the price rise a little bit higher. But look,
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: one Adelaide burger joint is completely boycotting Uber Eats all
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: together by raising it's in at menu prices, charging five
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: hundred dollars.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: For a burger.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: This is Stas Burger co it's hyped up prices in
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: defiance of the delivery giant. Their owner zay Berg, took
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: to social media to explain his decision.
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: I've said Uber, we made all of our products on
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: Uber five hundred dollars, adding food source tubs.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: Basically, we're saying don't order on there anymore. We're done
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: with them.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: They keep stealing our food, damaging our food, doing four
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: stops before they get to you.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: It's not how we want our food to arrive with
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: you now.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: He said that ninety nine percent of the feedback said
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: that Uber orders have long delivery times, which has affected
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: the quality of food and has undermined the eateries premium
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: product and premium service.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: And I tend to agree.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, on the rare times that I do get
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: Uber eats, the food comes to be cold, but you
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: can charge extra.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: You can pay extra if you want a priority to you.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: So I think they've become a ripper.
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: Only then just paying twice for what the thing is
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: supposed to be.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: I would just rather go down delivery fee.
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: But if you want the pizza to actually be edible,
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: then there's another edible pizza delivery fee.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: I would just just go.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: Daughter do or support local business, make sure the money
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: is going directly into their coffers.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: You don't have the same lifestyle that I do, believing
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: the house and we are we're going to the thing now. Sorry, okay,
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: sticky beak, we're going to We're doing this one now.
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: I thought we'd slap the thing around do sticky bee stick.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: So anyway, we all know that Americans are stupid, right
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: And I know this because I'm actually half American and
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: that half of me is indeed very stupid. But this
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: is a young man who is in Australia the TikTok
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: account and is a yanked down Under and he gets
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: very confused by Australian slang. And this week he encountered
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: a word that I suppose a lot of us wouldn't
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: really think twice about. But have a listen to this.
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: Just be popping around this new cafe that's open up
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: close to me, and this lady goes up to me
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: and she says, oh, are you having a little sticky beak?
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: What I thought sticky beak was like my fly was
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: down and like you know, sticky he's kind of gross,
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: like sticky beak, like you would think it was quiet
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: it is.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know because we're used to it now.
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: It comes after sticky.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: I don't think twice about it because we're just used
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: to the lingo.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: So someone said it means having a ganda. He still
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: doesn't know what it means.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he wouldn't know. I love it when Florence is.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Google what does it mean? One of you're on social
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: media and ask everybody to weigh in, because.
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: That's how he gets his TikTok followers. Ah, TikTok is
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: just like just morens.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Anyway, Let's go to the UK, where Britt Paul Edwards
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: is quite excited about being a father. He's got an
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: eighteen month old daughter in three months time. He's going
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: to be a father a second time with the arrival
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: of a son, so he wants to be a good dad.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: He subscribes to Mother and Baby magazine, figuring I'll read that.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: It'll give me some tips now. He subscribed back in
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: two thousand and seven. The magazine arrived last Friday, ninety
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: years later with an apology from a British post saying,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: we're very sorry that this has reached you in this condition.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: I hope there's no inconvenience. He said, inconvenience. My two
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: children have now left home their age twenty to nine.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: No, I'm curious to know the contents of it.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Too late now, two thousand and seven. It probably had
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: good parenting.
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: To actually still deliberate nineteen years old.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: That's it from us sticking around. Coming up is the
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: reader Panah Show. Good Night,