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Detroit Tigers Roster Projection 1.0 · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network, a Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Kieren
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Speaker 1: Steckley with me as always a man who right now
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Speaker 1: is about to tell you who had the best batting
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Speaker 1: practice in spring training to date. He is Cody staved Hagen.
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Speaker 2: Go, oh wow, Well on the spot, I've actually spent
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Speaker 2: a lot more time watching bullpens. You know, it's look
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Speaker 2: pretty good. I'm going I'm going Jase Young, Uh, just
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Speaker 2: a lot of natural, easy carry on his ball. I'm
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Speaker 2: not gonna say it's better than everyone's just watching him
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Speaker 2: as stood out like batting practice means nothing, but it's
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Speaker 2: been a lot of back spinning, a lot of easy
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Speaker 2: carry on the ball. Riley Green's looks pretty nasty too,
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Speaker 2: because he's Riley Green and Cole Keith can hit the
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Speaker 2: ball a long way. But Jase is the one that
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Speaker 2: I've watched and kind of been like, hey man, there's
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Speaker 2: there's some power in there, new wrist and all.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so that's actually I know what you're gonna say.
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Speaker 1: So I'm glad that you brought up Jase because he
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Speaker 1: ties into a couple of things that I wanted to
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Speaker 1: start out with. We'll get to Scott Harris kind of
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Speaker 1: given state of the Tigers, uh here in a second.
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Speaker 1: But Jase is a guy that we've talked about for
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Speaker 1: a long time. It's like, give us something, team, please
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Speaker 1: give us something to like, get us some idea of
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Speaker 1: how you feel about Jase. We got a little bit
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Speaker 1: of of a of a quote this week and we
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Speaker 1: got to see him do some grounders. You put some
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Speaker 1: videos on X that Cody Stavenhagen. You know, we got
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Speaker 1: the VP stuff, what he you know, you got a
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Speaker 1: couple of oppo home runs in there. It's all well
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Speaker 1: and good.
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Speaker 2: But we're not gonna do it. We're not gonna make
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Speaker 2: too much a.
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Speaker 1: Bet, We're not gonna make too much of it. But
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Speaker 1: but the fact that you bring that up, and and
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Speaker 1: and the and the calculated way that you did, and
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Speaker 1: I mean this sincerely, the fact that you brought it
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Speaker 1: up in the serious way is an indicator of what
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Speaker 1: this guy's calling card will have to be in order
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Speaker 1: to make an impact this year, in order to make
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Speaker 1: the team, in order to be a major leaguer eventually. Right,
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Speaker 1: is that like this is a bat first guy. We
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Speaker 1: talked about it on draft day. We watched him in college.
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Speaker 1: If you watch college baseball, this is a he's been
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Speaker 1: a bat first guy since as long as I've known
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Speaker 1: the name Jayce Young, which is since he was eighteen,
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Speaker 1: because he was a good player at Texas Tech. Right away, like,
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Speaker 1: he is a bat first guy. And if he is,
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Speaker 1: you know, making you say like, oh, look there's some
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Speaker 1: natural there's it's natural in the box for him. That's
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Speaker 1: a good reminder of what he is here for, essentially,
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Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Not obviously making anything of it,
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Speaker 1: but that is something that if you're projecting what this
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Speaker 1: team needs, and we all agree the team needs offense,
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Speaker 1: as it has the entirety that we've been doing this podcast.
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Speaker 1: If the team needs offense, there's a guy, the first
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Speaker 1: round pick, who's been a hit first guy his entire life.
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Speaker 1: Got to see what we have here. So I'm glad
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Speaker 1: you brought up Jase. I'm glad you brought up Jase.
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Speaker 2: That was interesting to hear Jas talk about his wrist
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Speaker 2: and how different he has felt. He felt the difference
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Speaker 2: pretty quickly, within a couple of weeks after surgery. Say,
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Speaker 2: he wasn't really dealing with like pain, but there's just
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Speaker 2: kind of a constant pinching in his swings last August,
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Speaker 2: last September. We'll see how that translates by at least
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Speaker 2: to him, it's it's been a pretty big deal.
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Speaker 1: It sounds like, yeah, and if we're being frank and
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Speaker 1: let's just say that he goes on to have some
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Speaker 1: sort of nice offensive season, whatever your definition of nices,
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Speaker 1: we would probably look back, especially if there's some like
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Speaker 1: real power in there. We'll probably look back at his
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Speaker 1: first you know, month and a half whatever of being
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Speaker 1: in the major leagues. I was like, oh, that makes sense.
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Speaker 1: Like you hear about the risks, you see a difference
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Speaker 1: that makes and he would get like a little bit
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Speaker 1: of grace for not having that much output with the bat.
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Speaker 1: Now again we talked about he is also part of
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Speaker 1: being a natural guy in the box. Is your feel
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Speaker 1: for the strike zone. That's a Scott Harris thing. Even
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Speaker 1: though he wasn't drifted by Scott Harris. Is that like
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Speaker 1: he gets on base, that's a valuable component there as well.
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Speaker 1: So as much as we love and we'll talk about
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Speaker 1: here in a second, some of the infielding drills and
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Speaker 1: the getting the short hops and throwing it across the diamond.
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Speaker 1: The bat is a thing to look for as like
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Speaker 1: what could be his true impact. So if you believe
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Speaker 1: in Jace, you felt a little bit better about the
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Speaker 1: news that happened this past week. We've talked about it
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Speaker 1: in a reactionary sense. Alex Bregman chose to go to
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Speaker 1: the Boston Red Sox on the short term lucrative deal,
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Speaker 1: but a short term deal with more coined term optionality.
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Speaker 1: That's fine. It's hard to say. It's hard to say
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Speaker 1: he made a bad decision. Certainly, don't think he made
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Speaker 1: a decision. I think he made a really good decision,
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Speaker 1: if not awkward, considering he's gonna play second base. But
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Speaker 1: since then, since we last talked Cody, we heard from
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Speaker 1: Scott Harris, and for the first time since he's been
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Speaker 1: the head of a front office, Scott Harris had to
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Speaker 1: maybe the F word's a little bit too strong, but
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Speaker 1: kinda go get ahead of a failure now like the
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Speaker 1: he was he had the trade with Los Angeles with Flaherty.
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Speaker 1: It's where he didn't have to talk about like a
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Speaker 1: failure with uh, you know, Gettingardo. But that's something that's
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Speaker 1: not completely in his control.
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Speaker 2: Like way that was maybe I think a worst the
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Speaker 2: Eduardo thing, whether it's his fault or not, optically was
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Speaker 2: not good for Scott here. It was not it was
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Speaker 2: the bregnant thing they offered six years and you know,
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Speaker 2: failure is too like the failed to sign him. But
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Speaker 2: it wasn't like it wasn't in the context that I feel.
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Speaker 1: Like maybe maybe l though maybe like you have to
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Speaker 1: take it, you.
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Speaker 3: Have to go talk about talk about it that that
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Speaker 3: we all know, like you could at least sell the
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Speaker 3: Eduardo thing a little bit where it's like we could
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Speaker 3: always bring him back, whereas there's no bringing back Alex Bregmant,
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Speaker 3: you see what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: So like this was and also Eduardo in the trade
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Speaker 1: markets different than the best in field free agency on
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Speaker 1: the market, free agent on the market.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 1: So so anyway, Scott Harris, talk to you guys in
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Speaker 1: the media, Cody, Uh, what what did you kind of
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Speaker 1: make of the way that he presented the state of
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Speaker 1: the Tigers especially, I mean, it's kind of cruel timing
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Speaker 1: that he did this, Like you know, immediately I assumed
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Speaker 1: this was scheduled regardless of of the Pregnant decision. So
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Speaker 1: like had it been a day before. Had it been
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Speaker 1: two days later, it might have been a little bit different,
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Speaker 1: but at the timing could have been worse or more perfect,
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Speaker 1: depending on your point of view. What'd you kind of
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Speaker 1: make of Scott Harris his first comments here down in Lakeland.
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Speaker 2: Well, we've talked just a couple of weeks ago about
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Speaker 2: Scott Harris kind of, you know, being a little more
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Speaker 2: adamant with some of his comments, maybe having a little
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Speaker 2: more swagger in front of the media, maybe just being
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Speaker 2: a little more comfortable in the job overall, coming off
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Speaker 2: of playoff appearance. And I really think that's what we saw.
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Speaker 2: I wasn't sure what to expect from Scott. I was
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Speaker 2: halfway prepared for like, yeah, I'm not going to comment
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Speaker 2: on free agent negotiations. I think that's maybe what he
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Speaker 2: would have said his first year. But Scott, he was
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Speaker 2: pretty good. You know, he was fairly transparent that the
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Speaker 2: Tigers really wanted Alex Bregmant and they made him a
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Speaker 2: compelling offer and it didn't happen. His line for a
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Speaker 2: while has been we want players who want to be here,
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Speaker 2: and then he kind of spun it forward to touting
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Speaker 2: all the other good things the Tigers have going on.
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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously there is some degree of spin there.
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Speaker 2: You miss out on this player that maybe could have
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Speaker 2: catapulted you to ale Pennant conversation, and then you start
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Speaker 2: talking about the farm system. But like nothing Scott Harris
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Speaker 2: said was wrong. He you know, talked about they can't
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Speaker 2: be an organization that is dependent on signing a free agent.
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Speaker 2: He pointed to their development and their farm and the
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Speaker 2: other things they have going on, and touted the guys
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Speaker 2: they have internally. He went as far as to say,
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Speaker 2: we beat a team with Alex pregnant in the playoffs,
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Speaker 2: so clearly it can be done. So there was a
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Speaker 2: little hint of defiance, So maybe just a little bit
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Speaker 2: of spiciness from Scott, And you know, even though they
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Speaker 2: missed out on Bregmant, I think it's good to have
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Speaker 2: a president of Baseball Operations that's beginning to carry himself
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Speaker 2: in a way that I think can inspire some confidence.
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Speaker 1: Sure, And I'm also a big believer that it's okay
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Speaker 1: for people to grow in the job. In general, you've
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Speaker 1: grown on your job, We've grown doing this podcast. Rookies
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Speaker 1: are obviously growing on the job. Managers grown the job
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Speaker 1: like it's okay for him to grow in the job
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Speaker 1: and not present him something the same way he would
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Speaker 1: to three years ago or whatever, like that's that that
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Speaker 1: that's okay, that's okay, and so I'm glad. And also like, look,
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Speaker 1: if you got to postseason appearance on your belt, yeah
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Speaker 1: you uh yeah, you had you one up the entirety
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Speaker 1: of Major League Baseball with this bregmant or not bregmant
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Speaker 1: flairity situation. Like it's it's okay to be you know,
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Speaker 1: feeling yourself a little bit and be like the fine
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Speaker 1: and be like fine, look, why'd you there.
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Speaker 2: The phrase that's fine? So many times it's like, clearly
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Speaker 2: it's not fine.
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Speaker 1: Now it's fine, it's fine, Like it's fine, it's okay.
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Speaker 2: You know you didn't want him anyway.
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Speaker 1: It's it's probably the length of the contract is probably
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Speaker 1: the one thing that will like latch onto like that notion,
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Speaker 1: because again, like you know your guy, like Jase, you
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Speaker 1: gotta be like, all right, ball up, now it's my turn,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And things become maybe a
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Speaker 1: little bit more clear. Uh, we're gonna we're gonna do
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Speaker 1: the roster projections Cody. On this episode, we haven't done
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Speaker 1: one yet. But before we do that, I think we
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Speaker 1: should because we're going to go a long time and
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Speaker 1: I'll know when we're going to have time to interrupt ourselves.
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Speaker 2: And it's kind of like how you Lee stock, how
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Speaker 2: you He's not going to make our roster projection, but
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Speaker 2: let's just say it right now, because you want to
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Speaker 2: know who the Taco spring training has been, It's been
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Speaker 2: how You Lead, How You Lead. I'll probably start in
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Speaker 2: triple A, but he had a one forty one WRC
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Speaker 2: plus in double A at age twenty one. Scott Harris
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Speaker 2: has been bullish on this guy for a while. He
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Speaker 2: started playing third base toward the tail end the last
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Speaker 2: season and just watching him and Jase Young take grounders
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Speaker 2: at third, like how you Lee look pretty good at
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Speaker 2: third base. You look better than Jase at third base,
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Speaker 2: and there's some hit tool there too, So we'll see
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Speaker 2: how the ear develops for How You Lee. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: he's kind of the Dartling of camp so far.
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Speaker 1: I always forget how young he is, man, I know,
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Speaker 1: like he he literally, I mean we're doing this February sixteenth.
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Speaker 1: He literally just turned twenty two, like two weeks ago.
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Speaker 1: His birthday's early February. So it's a guy that, you know,
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Speaker 1: you want to talk about strutting your stuff. Like if
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Speaker 1: he becomes like some sort of everyday player, that's another
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Speaker 1: feather in the cap for for Scott Harris as well.
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Speaker 1: So like I imagine he has quite the emotional attachment
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Speaker 1: to How You Lee, and that's a that's a guy
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Speaker 1: that he was if you know, you know, like if
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Speaker 1: you really pay attention to some of the lower rungs
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Speaker 1: and then the progressions of these minor leaguers and the
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Speaker 1: people in the Tiger space, there's a lot of people
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Speaker 1: that do a great job of that have been hyping
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Speaker 1: this guy up for a while. And now he's gonna
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Speaker 1: be at a little bit more of the forefront and quickly,
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Speaker 1: I would say, will become one of the more drawer
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Speaker 1: of more eyeballs. I would say for Tigers players that
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Speaker 1: you're looking like, you know, could this guy be something
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Speaker 1: you know, like sooner rather than later. So I'm excited
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Speaker 1: to watch him. I haven't gotten obviously a lot of
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Speaker 1: time to watch him at all, so I'm excited to
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Speaker 1: see see how he does. He does look like a
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Speaker 1: natural on the infield, that's all I'll say.
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Speaker 2: It's funny though he's built. He's built kind of like
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Speaker 2: a fire hydrant. You don't think that he could move,
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Speaker 2: but then he then he does like he's pretty agile
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Speaker 2: on AJ Cooper in our last episode said, a lot
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Speaker 2: of people think he can he could be a plus
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Speaker 2: defender at second base right now. If he keeps trending
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Speaker 2: this way, he could be playing third base in the
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Speaker 2: big leagues.
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Speaker 1: But in that season he's less to have five ten,
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Speaker 1: one ninety. I mean, we could probably say that he's
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Speaker 1: probably he could be two hundred pounds because you know
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Speaker 1: is when that listings in there, that's on Baseball Reference. Uh,
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Speaker 1: but he moves well and and and that and that's
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Speaker 1: and that's one of one of the more impressive like
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Speaker 1: aspects of his athleticism. So hyu lee as Cody put
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Speaker 1: on X by your stock. All right, he is not
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Speaker 1: in the mix, as you said, Cody, But there is
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Speaker 1: some interesting discussions to be had here with the roster
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Speaker 1: rejection for the Tigers. The least interesting one is catcher,
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Speaker 1: so we're gonna get out of the way real quick.
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Speaker 1: Jake Rogers is there and Dylan Dingler. They brought in Nido,
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Speaker 1: but there hasn't been a lot of buzz with Needo.
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Speaker 1: They want to emphasize young players. To me, Dingler feels
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Speaker 1: like a lot the athletic. Speaking of athleticism, the athleticism
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Speaker 1: aspect of his game is something that I want to
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Speaker 1: see like out in full force. His numbers are better
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Speaker 1: than you remember if you just kind of go with
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Speaker 1: what he did in limited time last season. So we'll
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Speaker 1: start off right here. We got the question on the
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Speaker 1: on the screen and you can watch it if you're
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Speaker 1: watching us on YouTube. Dingler a lock? You like Dingler there,
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Speaker 1: like a like.
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Speaker 2: A ninety lock, you know, not official, but uh, something
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Speaker 2: would have to go really crazy in camp or he'd
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Speaker 2: have to get hurt to not break with the team
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Speaker 2: on opening day. I think Dingler and Rodgers will be
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Speaker 2: your Catchers Tomas Nito and Brian Servan will be in
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Speaker 2: Triple A as depth if needed. There's a chance Stingler
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Speaker 2: could struggle literally end the season. I'm not ruling that out,
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Speaker 2: but I think the Tigers want to give him every chance,
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Speaker 2: and his defense might just be pretty good too, especially
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Speaker 2: now that he has some major league experience under his belt.
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Speaker 1: I mean, do we feel like this is a guy
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Speaker 1: I mean, and again I'm looking at his stats from
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Speaker 1: last season. He only got eighty four at bats, but
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Speaker 1: there was five doubles and two triples in there, so,
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Speaker 1: like again, speaks to you know, some of the ability there.
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Speaker 1: He's gonna get some run right. There's not like a
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Speaker 1: like a short leash year aspect to Dingler, right, No, No, I.
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Speaker 2: Don't think so. I mean, if he's hitting one twenty
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Speaker 2: in May, I mean that that has to be a conversation.
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Speaker 2: But I don't, you know, I think, just like the
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Speaker 2: majority of young players we've seen that Tiger's develop over
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Speaker 2: the past couple of years, I think they will give
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Speaker 2: him plenty of runway and it would probably have to
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Speaker 2: be going pretty poorly for them to actually pull the plug.
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Speaker 2: I think they want to see this guy handle himself
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Speaker 2: and develop at the big league level.
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Speaker 1: And usage you feel like it's you know.
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Speaker 2: That's going to be the interesting one. If you remember
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Speaker 2: last spring A j. Hintchrill was kind of surprised us
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Speaker 2: when he started talking about Jake and Carson Kelly as
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Speaker 2: a true tandem, and usage was pretty even there, especially
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Speaker 2: early in the season. I would expect it probably to
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Speaker 2: be a little lean, a little more toward Jake, just
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Speaker 2: because Dylan is so inexperienced. But some of that might
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Speaker 2: depend on how Dylan is performing both at the plate
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Speaker 2: and both defensively. I'm not sure we have the answer
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Speaker 2: to that yet. If I had to get right now,
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Speaker 2: I could see it being more sixty forty, you know,
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Speaker 2: sixty five thirty five Jake Rogers.
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Speaker 1: I think that's fair too, all right, go on to
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Speaker 1: the infield. The the news this week of Javier looking
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Speaker 1: like he'll be healthy for opening Day kind of lends
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Speaker 1: itself to eliminate that aspect of the roster conversation. He's
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Speaker 1: got three years left on his contract, it's not the
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Speaker 1: veteran's minimum. He's going to be here. He's going to
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Speaker 1: be a part of your team. AJ had a quote
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Speaker 1: about like sort of the intritic intristic value of Javier,
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Speaker 1: which I understand. We've seen multiple examples of how ball
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Speaker 1: players love Javier Bias ikin it to like Russell Westbrook,
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Speaker 1: Like there's not an NBA player that doesn't love Russell Westbrook,
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Speaker 1: even if you feel like the physical tools have diminished.
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Speaker 1: This is an interesting time for Javier. Expectations are about
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Speaker 1: as low as they've ever been, probably and if he
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Speaker 1: can be healthy, he's in a situation for the first
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Speaker 1: time a long time where if he kind of provides
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Speaker 1: a couple huh moments, like He's gonna be looked at
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Speaker 1: more favorably than he has been. Obviously, Sweeney's gonna be
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Speaker 1: getting plenty of run as well. Colt Keith, your starting
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Speaker 1: first baseman, Labor Torres the still not talked about enough
18:20
Speaker 1: in my opinion, Labor Torres is your second basement. And
18:23
Speaker 1: then we have the third base conundrum. So your your take,
18:28
Speaker 1: Cody on on the hobby Javier Javier bias, how many
18:32
Speaker 1: are we gonna get a lot of Hobby Bias moments
18:35
Speaker 1: or you know, what's what's the ratio there and and
18:38
Speaker 1: and what do we even what do you kind of
18:40
Speaker 1: make of just like him as a part of this conversation.
18:44
Speaker 2: Well, you know, the the good thing, if you set
18:46
Speaker 2: your expectations as low as humanly possible, you can't be disappointed.
18:51
Speaker 2: So I think that's what I'm kind of doing with
18:53
Speaker 2: Javier Bias, and I think that's kind of what the
18:55
Speaker 2: Tigers are probably doing too. Yeah, I think there is
18:58
Speaker 2: a likelihood he's going to be on this roster, assuming
19:03
Speaker 2: he is healthy. He still has a couple of steps
19:05
Speaker 2: to go in his recovery, but he's out there taking
19:07
Speaker 2: hacks and taking grounders. I you know, unless there's some
19:11
Speaker 2: sort of setback, I think he's going to be just fine.
19:14
Speaker 2: Then the question becomes how much will he play? And
19:19
Speaker 2: that's up for debate a little bit. I guess it'll
19:21
Speaker 2: largely depend on his performance if I had to project
19:24
Speaker 2: it right now. I just don't think the Tigers are
19:27
Speaker 2: going to try to force Hobby being an everyday guy again.
19:31
Speaker 2: You know, if he gets some reps and starts playing
19:34
Speaker 2: like an everyday guy, then he'll be an everyday guy.
19:36
Speaker 2: But I think they're done, you know, they're trying to win.
19:40
Speaker 2: I am keeping Trey Sweeney on my opening day roster,
19:44
Speaker 2: but I do think that's a little more of a
19:46
Speaker 2: conundrum than we've talked about, just because if you tried
19:49
Speaker 2: to build a lineup against left handed pitching, which the
19:53
Speaker 2: Tigers will, they'll see Blake Snell at some point in
19:55
Speaker 2: the opening series. It gets a little sticky. If you
19:59
Speaker 2: have Cold Key who's left handed. If you have Parker
20:02
Speaker 2: Meadows who's left handed. If you have Sweeney Young and
20:06
Speaker 2: Zach McKinstry all on your bench, you know that's not good.
20:13
Speaker 2: You could be in a sticky situation there. So it's
20:17
Speaker 2: a little tough for me to put Tray Sweeney and
20:20
Speaker 2: Zach McKinstry on the same roster. I think Sweeney played well,
20:26
Speaker 2: has a lot to prove with the plate, but handled
20:29
Speaker 2: came up big in some pressure moments. I have to
20:32
Speaker 2: think the Tigers would like for him to be on
20:34
Speaker 2: this team. There's a world where maybe it's best for
20:36
Speaker 2: him to get experience, develop every day play in Toledo.
20:42
Speaker 2: But I think he has the edge and could be
20:44
Speaker 2: the short stop against right handed pitching, and we can
20:47
Speaker 2: go ahead and get into Zach McKinstry. I think a
20:51
Speaker 2: lot of those roster is going to revolve around that question.
20:56
Speaker 2: The Tigers paid Zach McKinstry one point sixty five million
20:59
Speaker 2: dollars this season, which would seem to level to indicate
21:02
Speaker 2: a level of commitment. He's out of options, and then
21:06
Speaker 2: it's kind of like, Okay, let's say you demote Sweeney,
21:11
Speaker 2: You're really going to go with Hobby Bias and Zach
21:13
Speaker 2: McKinstry as your shortstops. Tough to get excited about that.
21:17
Speaker 2: I'm not so sure McKinstry is guaranteed the spot. And
21:20
Speaker 2: here's what I think they paid him for a reason,
21:24
Speaker 2: and it's because they could dfa him, and then he's
21:28
Speaker 2: out of options and he's making well more than the
21:30
Speaker 2: league minimum. So would another team claim him? You run
21:35
Speaker 2: a risk, but there's a pretty high likelihood that Tigers
21:38
Speaker 2: could dfa him and get him back. It's almost like
21:42
Speaker 2: building in an extra option. So if I had to
21:44
Speaker 2: project it right now, no offense to Zach McKinstry. Guy
21:48
Speaker 2: works hard, guy's a fun player. I would leave him
21:51
Speaker 2: off of this roster. But I will just say that's
21:55
Speaker 2: going to be a big question. I think McKinstry and
21:58
Speaker 2: Sweeney find to be that left handed guy who can
22:02
Speaker 2: play shorts up.
22:04
Speaker 1: I go through a lot of Zach McKinstry aspects in
22:11
Speaker 1: my head, and I did all all last year, like
22:13
Speaker 1: I I felt like there was a little bit I
22:17
Speaker 1: felt like he was probably used. He was used more
22:19
Speaker 1: than I would have wanted to use him at the
22:21
Speaker 1: beginning of last season, and you know, there was a
22:24
Speaker 1: time where it's like, you know, is he an everyday
22:26
Speaker 1: player that quickly dissipated?
22:28
Speaker 2: Uh, I like in August or whatever.
22:32
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, exactly. So it's like, you know, like
22:35
Speaker 1: I I like versatility. I I like the fact that
22:39
Speaker 1: I mean, generally speaking, I like the fact that he's
22:41
Speaker 1: left handed bad that on this team is not necessarily
22:43
Speaker 1: the biggest attribute on the planet, but just in general,
22:46
Speaker 1: I like the fact that he's a left tanned bat.
22:47
Speaker 1: And then you know, I when when they signed him,
22:52
Speaker 1: I thought, or you know, paid him that money, I thought,
22:54
Speaker 1: you know, I just feel like Zach McKinstry is a guy.
22:58
Speaker 1: We talked about this before. I feel like it's a
23:01
Speaker 1: guy that you can kind of like outgrow, like the
23:03
Speaker 1: need to have him. And then I look at his
23:08
Speaker 1: like he doesn't a lot of his like percentile stuff.
23:11
Speaker 1: He doesn't play enough to get but like Baseball Savant
23:14
Speaker 1: has him, like really good on launch angle, sweet spot percentage,
23:18
Speaker 1: really good on square percentage, you know a lot. You know,
23:21
Speaker 1: he's not he doesn't have a lot of powers. Hard
23:23
Speaker 1: rid his hard hit his barrels like it's not remarkable,
23:27
Speaker 1: but like, you know, he's got eighty one percentile range
23:30
Speaker 1: and fielding and his arm strengths above average, and his
23:33
Speaker 1: sprint speed is in the basically eighty percentile. And then
23:36
Speaker 1: I go to his Baseball Reference projections and they almost
23:39
Speaker 1: project him to be an everyday player. They got him
23:42
Speaker 1: with four hundred plate appearances with like what you would
23:47
Speaker 1: consider Zach mckinstree numbers two twenty five batting, eight home runs,
23:52
Speaker 1: four triples, seventeen doubles, fifteen stone bases itself, it's like, well,
23:57
Speaker 1: then again, isn't don't good teams have Zach McKinstry's too,
24:01
Speaker 1: So I I just go, I just go, I just
24:04
Speaker 1: go back and forth. But the the big braining the contract.
24:10
Speaker 1: I like that thought process there, Cody, that I think
24:13
Speaker 1: you're on.
24:13
Speaker 2: The something maybe so and the Tigers did something very
24:16
Speaker 2: similar with andy O Banias. I'm not sure that that
24:19
Speaker 2: is by accident, but we can go on to third base.
24:23
Speaker 2: The opening day third baseman a one per guarantee. You
24:27
Speaker 2: will depend on who's pitching. If it's a right handed pitcher,
24:33
Speaker 2: it could be Zach McKinstry, it could be Jace Young,
24:36
Speaker 2: And I think Jace Young is probably the biggest question here.
24:40
Speaker 2: We don't know. We already talked about Jase a little bit.
24:42
Speaker 2: The bat is going to have to be good enough
24:45
Speaker 2: to make up for the defense. He can improve defensively,
24:50
Speaker 2: but dudes got a long way to go. Even just
24:52
Speaker 2: watch him the other day, Like there's always the question
24:55
Speaker 2: does he have a strong enough arm. That's how you
24:57
Speaker 2: seem to believe he has the arm strength, but that
24:59
Speaker 2: the armstrength looks bad because the footwork is bad. You
25:03
Speaker 2: watch Jason, you know he kind of takes two shuffles
25:06
Speaker 2: in a crow hop and it's almost like he's running
25:08
Speaker 2: the ball over to first when he throws it. So
25:12
Speaker 2: that's not what you want, not good timing for third base.
25:17
Speaker 2: It makes me wonder is he doing that because he
25:19
Speaker 2: feels like he has to to get enough mustard on
25:21
Speaker 2: the throw or is it just bad technique. Either way,
25:25
Speaker 2: that's one of his faults right now on defense. But
25:28
Speaker 2: I think the Tigers would like jayse Young to make
25:31
Speaker 2: this team. I don't think he's guaranteed. I think he
25:34
Speaker 2: will have to perform in spring training, make defensive strides,
25:37
Speaker 2: and hit a little bit. But I think in an
25:40
Speaker 2: ideal world he's on your roster. And then if the
25:45
Speaker 2: Tigers were to face a left hand or on opening day,
25:47
Speaker 2: you're staring at the question is Matt Wierling playing third
25:50
Speaker 2: base or is he in right field? I tend to
25:53
Speaker 2: think he's going to be in right field, and one
25:55
Speaker 2: Andy A Banyez noted lefty killer would play third base.
25:59
Speaker 2: The alternate at construction is probably veiling at third and
26:02
Speaker 2: winsl Perez in the outfield, or maybe even justin Henry
26:07
Speaker 2: Malloy's in a corner. We can. You know they're going
26:10
Speaker 2: to be a million scenarios here because it's the Tigers,
26:13
Speaker 2: But that's kind of my basic outline at third base
26:15
Speaker 2: for right now.
26:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like I said earlier, you want it feels
26:20
Speaker 1: better to write down young on your roster because of
26:24
Speaker 1: the hitting upside than to leave him off. So yeah,
26:28
Speaker 1: I hope he I hope he makes the team and
26:31
Speaker 1: is able to show his abillity because again, first round pick,
26:34
Speaker 1: not nothing outfield, pretty simple you put the veerling piece
26:39
Speaker 1: in there. Vieiling's obviously a part of a part of
26:41
Speaker 1: that puzzle. Riley Green, Parker Meadows, Carry Carpenter. His usage
26:45
Speaker 1: will be interesting to me throughout the year. He's a
26:50
Speaker 1: He's a guy who I just probably should we give
26:53
Speaker 1: up the dream of him hitting lefties, like not even
26:56
Speaker 1: I don't mean like hitting lefties, I mean like getting
26:58
Speaker 1: like actual opportunity he's to hit lefties, because with the
27:02
Speaker 1: way everything else is on here, you almost there's a
27:06
Speaker 1: world where you feel like that's a waste to put
27:08
Speaker 1: him up against lefties.
27:11
Speaker 2: Just when I gave up on that dream, I think
27:13
Speaker 2: A J. Hinch started to draw me back in a
27:15
Speaker 2: little bit. And maybe it's spring training, just like, oh,
27:17
Speaker 2: you never know. But Carrie was kind of adamant. He
27:20
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I haven't sat down with aj yet,
27:22
Speaker 2: but when I do, you know, I want to talk
27:24
Speaker 2: about that. And you know it, Carrie in a very
27:26
Speaker 2: respectful way, but he's like, I want to see what
27:29
Speaker 2: I can do to get more opportunities because I believe
27:32
Speaker 2: he can do it. And he mentioned his minor league
27:34
Speaker 2: track record, which I hadn't looked at in a long time.
27:37
Speaker 2: He's right he had a nine hundred obs against lefties
27:40
Speaker 2: his last year at the minor leagues, and he's like
27:43
Speaker 2: a lot of those guys are now thrown in the
27:44
Speaker 2: big leagues that I was facing them, and so he's
27:47
Speaker 2: kind of got a point there. I don't think he's
27:51
Speaker 2: going to be like starting against lefties. I don't think
27:53
Speaker 2: he's going to be getting a ton of abs against lefties.
27:55
Speaker 2: But one point AJ made, are people going to start
27:58
Speaker 2: managing differently against the Tigers? A knowing Aj has Andy,
28:03
Speaker 2: A Banya is lurking on the bench. B knowing Carry
28:06
Speaker 2: Carpenter in a way is the biggest target in your
28:08
Speaker 2: lineup against the right handed pitcher. He's in the same
28:11
Speaker 2: class as Aaron Judge in terms of ops. So if
28:14
Speaker 2: you can insert a lefty an attempt to chase Carry
28:18
Speaker 2: from a game, would there be more times where AJ
28:21
Speaker 2: will leave Carry in if it's the fifth, the sixth sacrifice.
28:25
Speaker 2: Maybe a bad matchup, but that could help some of
28:29
Speaker 2: the right handed hitters in the order. And then you
28:31
Speaker 2: get seven, eight, nine, Carrie's still in that game, still
28:34
Speaker 2: looming as a threat. I think we could see the
28:37
Speaker 2: strategy play out there a little differently. So it's going
28:42
Speaker 2: to be an ongoing topic. I don't think Carry's suddenly
28:44
Speaker 2: going to become a true everyday player, but they're leaving
28:47
Speaker 2: the door open for maybe, you know, a somewhat increase
28:51
Speaker 2: in left handed at bats.
28:53
Speaker 1: I like the idea that we'll see if it actually,
28:56
Speaker 1: you know, kind of plays out in that fashion. Uh,
29:01
Speaker 1: Jahan and Winsl You mentioned Winsloe mentioned Jahn. Those are
29:04
Speaker 1: two names that it gets a little crunchy. It gets
29:08
Speaker 1: a little crunchy with with what you want to do.
29:11
Speaker 1: I think we both would agree that they're gonna make
29:14
Speaker 1: impacts on this team during the season. But in terms
29:17
Speaker 1: of like breaking from Lakeland, Perez is a guy that
29:23
Speaker 1: a lot of people like, like the upside with. And
29:26
Speaker 1: then our last taste of watching Jay Hen was him
29:31
Speaker 1: raking in the playoffs. And if we're gonna be a
29:35
Speaker 1: little squeamish against lefties, I want I kind of want
29:39
Speaker 1: Jahn In that conversation.
29:42
Speaker 2: I think Jahn has inserted himself very much into this
29:45
Speaker 2: picture with what he did at the tail end of
29:47
Speaker 2: last season. And I think there's a world where Jayhen
29:49
Speaker 2: and Spencer Torklesen are very much competing for a similar
29:53
Speaker 2: roster spot. Twork obviously the big question here, and even
29:58
Speaker 2: you know, from the time they labor Tores, I think
30:01
Speaker 2: most people were kind of like Torqus, most likely starting
30:04
Speaker 2: in Toledo. I'm just saying, I don't know. From some
30:08
Speaker 2: conversations I've had this past week, it seems like the
30:12
Speaker 2: Tigers think there's a real path to him being on
30:15
Speaker 2: this roster. Maybe that's just a little bit of lip
30:17
Speaker 2: service because it's spring training, but even you know, some
30:21
Speaker 2: off the record type stuff like it, it's enough to
30:24
Speaker 2: make you wonder, what if Tork is basically your DH
30:29
Speaker 2: every day against left handed pitching and against righty's. He
30:34
Speaker 2: looms on the bench and he's the guy who comes
30:37
Speaker 2: in for maybe carry Carpenter, is that enough at bats
30:41
Speaker 2: to justify carrying him and stated that simply, Yeah, but
30:46
Speaker 2: I think it gets hairy when you start. You got
30:50
Speaker 2: to get the guy a day off his feet, you
30:52
Speaker 2: got you know, maybe there's an injury here that changes
30:54
Speaker 2: the complexion of the roster. I just still have a
31:00
Speaker 2: hard time seeing the Tigers carrying a first base DH
31:05
Speaker 2: only type. I mean, I guess they did it for
31:08
Speaker 2: years with Miguel Cabrera, you know, and it kind of
31:11
Speaker 2: hurt the roster. It just look at laj managed last
31:15
Speaker 2: year and what he could do because he didn't have
31:17
Speaker 2: a Miguel Cabrera type taking up one of those bench spots. Torgelsen,
31:20
Speaker 2: maybe he could be more productive than Miguel, but he's
31:23
Speaker 2: gonna have to really break to get that spot. I
31:27
Speaker 2: think he's up against Jahn and jayhen has the advantage.
31:30
Speaker 2: He can play outfield, even if it's not pretty. He
31:32
Speaker 2: can do it, so that right now I would take
31:36
Speaker 2: Jahn over Torque. And my roster has Trey Sweeney, leaves
31:42
Speaker 2: off Zach McKinstry, it has Justin Henry malloy and Jase Young.
31:46
Speaker 2: It leaves off Wintle Perez, which I don't feel good about.
31:49
Speaker 2: I'm looking at this and I'm like, no, I want
31:51
Speaker 2: Winsle on this team. Switch hitter, pretty good outfielder, but
31:54
Speaker 2: I don't. I just don't know who to take off.
31:57
Speaker 2: Like Jace I think really would be the guy. If
32:00
Speaker 2: Jase doesn't make the team, Veeerling is going to play
32:04
Speaker 2: a lot more third, and then you really kind of
32:07
Speaker 2: need that outfielder in Winsell. So right now I'm leaving
32:12
Speaker 2: Winsl off. But there are several different ways this team
32:15
Speaker 2: could be constructed. It's gonna be kind of interesting.
32:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I I value what Perez brings brings
32:23
Speaker 1: to the to the team.
32:25
Speaker 2: But.
32:28
Speaker 1: I value what Jahank could do. And if Tork really
32:31
Speaker 1: is somebody that they feel like has a real role there,
32:36
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard for me to even side against that,
32:40
Speaker 1: even if I don't necessarily see see it, even if
32:43
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit more limited like it
32:47
Speaker 1: that there's Yeah, I don't I wouldn't blame him for
32:50
Speaker 1: not for not giving up on Torque's bad potential. Like
32:53
Speaker 1: that's just that, that's just how that's just how sports works.
32:56
Speaker 1: So uh bad, Madris know those guys obviously, you know,
33:02
Speaker 1: barring something something crazy, not gonna not gonna be on
33:06
Speaker 1: the roster at least to start the year, but still
33:08
Speaker 1: a part of organizational death.
33:10
Speaker 2: All right.
33:11
Speaker 1: Starting pitching, I think one through four feels pretty simple
33:16
Speaker 1: schoolble Flaherty, Olsen, Joe. We probably would have penciled in
33:22
Speaker 1: Joe the entire time, but the Alex cod News kind
33:24
Speaker 1: of makes it there. Five number five, I'm reading the
33:33
Speaker 1: tea leaves, Cody. I feel you and your media brethren
33:37
Speaker 1: and the way that the Tigers on Socials are kind
33:41
Speaker 1: of sharing things. I'm reading the tea leaves. I think
33:45
Speaker 1: there's some Maeta hype happening. I have my Ata as
33:48
Speaker 1: my fifth starter right now, and contract wise is part
33:52
Speaker 1: of it too, But I just feel like that's that's
33:55
Speaker 1: the easier thing to do, and I think that's the
33:58
Speaker 1: play to begin in the year is like, see.
34:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I've kind of felt this way all
34:05
Speaker 2: off season, and especially with Alex Cobb hurt Man. It
34:09
Speaker 2: just makes a lot of sense. There's still a world
34:12
Speaker 2: in which Kintamaida could be an okay pitcher. I mean,
34:14
Speaker 2: I know last year was really bad, but he has
34:17
Speaker 2: looked more built up, throwing harder and hearing spring all
34:20
Speaker 2: that good stuff. I asked Scott Harris, do you expect
34:24
Speaker 2: Kintamiya to start the year in the rotation, thinking there
34:26
Speaker 2: was an off chance he might be like, yes, we
34:30
Speaker 2: expect kinda to be a starter. He didn't do that,
34:33
Speaker 2: he said, you know, he basically said, that'd be cool
34:37
Speaker 2: if Kenna shows up and he's good. But we liked
34:39
Speaker 2: that he now has more flexibility. He could pitch out
34:42
Speaker 2: of the bullp into So this is very much an
34:44
Speaker 2: open question. It's important to Kinta to be a starter.
34:47
Speaker 2: He's going to be battling with a long list of
34:48
Speaker 2: guys Casey Mice, Brent Herder probably the two next most
34:53
Speaker 2: like most likely picks, and I sat on our last
34:56
Speaker 2: episode like, man, I still can't quit. Casey Mice on
35:00
Speaker 2: some different sliders, like if the fastballs a little better.
35:02
Speaker 2: He wants to get back to throwing the split more,
35:06
Speaker 2: which kind of made me happy to hear if he
35:08
Speaker 2: can actually throw it the way he wants to, So
35:12
Speaker 2: it's hard to quit case he minds, But I'm going
35:14
Speaker 2: Kinta because he's getting paid and Job again. I think
35:18
Speaker 2: that seems clearer with Cobb injured. But the Tigers are
35:22
Speaker 2: gonna have to be all in or all out. I
35:24
Speaker 2: made a case not that long ago for like, what
35:26
Speaker 2: if you did just keep Job down to get the
35:28
Speaker 2: extra year team control. There's a little bit of a
35:30
Speaker 2: caveat I didn't fully consider at the time, which let's
35:33
Speaker 2: say Jackson Job doesn't debut until May fifth or whatever,
35:37
Speaker 2: Tigers would gain an extra year of team control. What
35:40
Speaker 2: if he goes out and then dominates and he wins
35:43
Speaker 2: if he finishes in the top two of rookie of
35:46
Speaker 2: the year he would be awarded a full year of
35:48
Speaker 2: service time. This happened with Paul Skeins and the Pirates
35:52
Speaker 2: last year. So basically, if you're gonna keep him down,
35:55
Speaker 2: you should probably keep him down until like June or July.
35:59
Speaker 2: Otherwise your best of having this guy in the rotation
36:02
Speaker 2: seeing if you can get an extra draft pick. It's
36:07
Speaker 2: I think it has to be one or the other.
36:09
Speaker 2: And if I had to choose one, I would choose Jackson.
36:11
Speaker 1: Job in my rotation, I would too. And then I've
36:15
Speaker 1: said this before, when it comes to Job at a
36:17
Speaker 1: certain point, I want that arm firing major league innings too,
36:23
Speaker 1: when you know and and if and it would be
36:26
Speaker 1: also hard understand the team aspect of it, but it'd
36:31
Speaker 1: be really hard to justify I think after a playoff appearance,
36:34
Speaker 1: keeping him down, like to the end degree of what
36:37
Speaker 1: you just said, like keeping him down until like post
36:40
Speaker 1: fireworks on fourth of July.
36:41
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
36:42
Speaker 5: Like that?
36:43
Speaker 2: And one thing, if he is on the big league roster,
36:45
Speaker 2: they're going to have to monitor his innings a little bit.
36:47
Speaker 2: So when people ask like, is pitching chaos still going
36:49
Speaker 2: to be a thing, I think we would get into
36:52
Speaker 2: May June and see the Tigers build in bullpen days
36:55
Speaker 2: to get job an extra day of rest.
36:58
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of said bullpen, so this one I didn't
37:03
Speaker 1: have too much to think about. In fact, you could
37:06
Speaker 1: argue their offseason kind of made this relatively easy.
37:10
Speaker 2: I question if they needed John Brebia, because now he
37:13
Speaker 2: makes this projection a lot less funny.
37:16
Speaker 1: Well there you go. So I got Brebia, Obviously, I
37:18
Speaker 1: got Kanelee. Obviously I have Holden Brisky, fully vest Gutter
37:24
Speaker 1: and Herder as my bullpen as that matchup.
37:28
Speaker 2: Or that's exactly what I have. Fully vast Risky, Holton, Kinley,
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Speaker 2: and Brebia are basically locks. That leads you with Sean Gunther,
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Speaker 2: who was really good. There was a nasty slider, nasty sinker.
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Speaker 2: I think they're gonna like him left handed. And Brent Herder,
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Speaker 2: who look at how his stuff grades out man and
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Speaker 2: the Tigers love him. Another left hander. You would be
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Speaker 2: carrying three lefties in that situation, which the Tigers have
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Speaker 2: done before. Holton basically he it's everybody out so he
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Speaker 2: can count as whatever you want him to the other
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Speaker 2: candidate would be Brennan Hannafy right handed sinker guy Ty
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Speaker 2: Madden really no one's kind of talking about Ty Madden
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Speaker 2: Cater Montero, who I really kind of like. But I
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Speaker 2: think it would make more sense for Madden and Montero
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Speaker 2: to to maybe get those reps in Toledo Casey Miyes
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Speaker 2: of Matt Manning. The dream of making at least one
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Speaker 2: of those guys like a nasty believer lives on in
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Speaker 2: my head. But again, especially with the signing of John Brebia,
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Speaker 2: I don't really I have a hard time. You would
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Speaker 2: have to take out Gunther or Herder. So we're gonna
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Speaker 2: see what happens. There will eventually be injuries. We're going
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Speaker 2: to see all of these guys. Right now. I've basically
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Speaker 2: built a Toledo rotation just from the guys I'm leaving off,
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Speaker 2: Miz Manning, Madden, Montero.
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Speaker 1: It's a fun rotation, not just like, oh yeah, of
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Speaker 1: course you know guys.
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Speaker 2: That I can play in the big league. Literally, it'll
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Speaker 2: be better than the Chicago White Sox rotation, I promise you.
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's it's a fun rotation. We haven't
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Speaker 1: gotten there yet, Cody, but I look forward to the
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Speaker 1: Matt Manning outing where it's like here we go, what
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Speaker 1: do we make of this, it's gonna happen, might happen
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Speaker 1: three times this spring. All right, Well, that was all fun.
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Speaker 1: There's some there's some crunching to do, like I said,
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Speaker 1: and we'll maybe get some more clarity here pretty soon.
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Speaker 1: But we as we're on the eve of like full
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