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Claude Stauffer: Why Would God Raise Up A President Like Trump? · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Fierazzo.
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  Hey friends, welcome to the podcast, thanks for sharing, of course, and for your prayers.
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  Just a simple question today, we'll investigate, we'll evaluate, we'll analyze.
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  Why would God raise up a man like Donald Trump for such a time as this, in a place like
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  America, at this time in our history?
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  And why, what does it mean to make America great?
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  Is that just economically strong?
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  No, what about the church, hello, that's where, that's our context, the biblical worldview.
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  What would really make America great?
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  Well, we've got one of my brothers from the East Coast to talk about that today, Pastor
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  Claude Stoffer, Calvary Chapel of Hope, and his website is Shepard of Hope.org, and there
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  it is.
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  And man, he writes some great articles, he's got some great books, a lot of information
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  you can get on his website, Claude, good to see you brother, thanks for your time again
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  today.
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  Good to be here, David.
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  It's really always a pleasure to be here.
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  Always, and always goes by too fast, so let's just dive right into this.
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  First of all, you've got, we hopefully we're going to get to another article called Why
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  Would God?
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  And you talk about just his sovereignty, his ways are above our ways, his thoughts are
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  above our thoughts, what happened with President Trump and the election outcome.
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  I think most of us were a little surprised, it was the, almost like, I guess you could
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  call it landslide, some people are.
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  So your thoughts on that and God's sovereignty before we dive into the article, I wanted to
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  touch on today called your greatest patriotic duty, making America truly great, and you're
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  going to share with us what truly great means.
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  So you're, you're overall take on really the election and when, kind of like where
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  we're at is the nation and the church right now.
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  Well, I think the only, the only trepidation, the only, you know, a question in the election,
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  for me personally, I didn't, if my concern was that there would be cheating, I really
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  really like cheating and a lot of shenanigans that went on in the 2020 election.
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  And so the only question was whether or not the Republican Party and conservatives had
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  learned their lesson in 2020 and whether or not they would offset that in 2024.
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  I, I think that it's pretty clear in the country, if you just look at the, the gatherings,
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  now Kamala Harris, you know, she was busing in people to her, to her rallies, whereas
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  President Trump, I mean, I know we had one here at Madison Square Garden.
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  We also had one at the National Coliseum on Long Island and I mean, people were, it was,
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  it was just swamped with people.
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  And to me, that was a tremendous sign that there's something happening in our nation.
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  And I personally, I'm hoping and praying and I know many Christians are that it goes
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  beyond mere politics, judging by the initial appointments of President Trump.
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  It seems to be that this time he's much more, he's a much wiser president than he was
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  the first, his first term, his first term.
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  And I think, I don't even know if he expected to win.
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  And I think he listened to too many people who were establishment oriented.
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  I think we've got to get away from the establishment politicians who are just, you know, it's,
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  they're not going to, they're only going to, they're not going to do things that we want
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  as Christians and as conservatives, you know, to get, they get our nation back in a
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  more righteous path.
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  Yeah, I agree and I'm thankful for where we're at.
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  But yeah, the church has to really get engaged now because we kind of, in a way,
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  we have to look at it as this just bought us a little more time and religious
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  freedom has been taken for granted for too long.
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  Claude Romans 10.
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  One is in your article here, brethren, my heart's desire and prayer for Israel, prayer
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  to God for Israel is that they may be saved.
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  But isn't that same prayer for us for our own nation and churches that have people either
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  professing or claiming to be Christian, but really don't have a biblical worldview?
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  Really, you might not even call them converted born again.
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  Isn't that our prayer that people in America?
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  And of course, the non-believers that have never heard the gospel that they may be saved.
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  We have, we have some time right now and you ask the question and then I'll let you take
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  off here, Claude, could God be using a political movement to usher in a more eternally significant
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  revival?
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  Go ahead, brother.
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  Well, you know, when I was writing that article and praying about it and I'm just, you
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  know, processing things and, you know, I'm happy to be at my church studying through
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  the book of Romans and so recently I've studied through Romans 9, we're in Romans 9, 10,
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  11 right now.
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  It's interesting.
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  The first day chapters of Romans really give us the doctrinal treatise of the gospel,
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  gives us the details of the gospel.
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  And in the early church when the gospel was received, it was initially another sect of
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  Judaism before it could be called really the church.
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  And so many people in the church were thinking and Paul was anticipating their queries that,
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  okay, what happens to Israel now?
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  I thought that God's covenant with Israel was everlasting, but many of the Jews have rejected
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  Jesus as Messiah.
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  What's going to happen with them?
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  And so in chapter 9, 10 and 11, Paul addresses the issue of Israel and that's relevant
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  for us in terms of a nation, right?
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  Absolutely.
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  Paul refers and he starts off chapter 9 saying, you know, he would give his own salvation
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  for his countrymen, right, his countrymen, Israel, right?
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  So 9, 10 and 11 speak of Israel as a nation and God's election of them to be a kingdom
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  of priests, you know, to be mediators between God and humanity and to shine his light.
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  That's what they're calling was.
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  And so in chapter 10, you know, you see Paul's heartfelt desire for the salvation, not
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  just of the nation of Israel, but of Jews, the citizens of Israel.
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  And in the same way, the principle there, we as Americans, I believe, yes, it's fantastic
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  that we gathered many Christians, went to the polls, voted for President Trump, voted
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  for the conservative, Republican, more constitutional views in President Trump and rejected the
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  other really, really despicable and depraved attitudes and mission of the alternative left.
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  Yes.
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  So, but, but that's, that's wonderful that we had a successful election.
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  But I think that when we look at scripture, there's something that transcends that and
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  that really politics is only a facilitator.
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  It's only an instrument.
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  It's only a segue for us to do our greatest patriotic duty, which is to follow in the steps
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  of the Apostle Paul, who had a burden for the salvation of his fellow compatriots of Israel,
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  his brothers in a national brother, brotherhood and sisterhood.
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  And that's where that's where I'm really coming from, you know, okay, Christian, now we've
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  got a little bit of a reprieve from the Lord, the Lord's answered our prayers.
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  I think one of the greatest things that we saw in this recent election is that you had
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  so many Christians praying.
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  I mean, people were really underneath praying.
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  You could, you could see it and that, you know, what the Lord answered our prayers.
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  And that's, that to me is a tremendous sign that and hope that we have that God is giving
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  us more time.
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  And it really, you know, it's great, the appointments that President Trump has put in place
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  already.
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  Yeah.
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  It's great.
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  We know that we now have in our government reclaiming, hopefully we can reclaim and get
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  us to a momentum going in the right direction.
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  But truly true change and lasting change and eternally worthwhile change is not going
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  to occur until people respond to the gospel of Jesus Christ.
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  And that's the bottom line.
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  Well, let's talk about how believers can be using this time, no matter where you were
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  before the election or where you were at.
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  We've got to wake up.
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  We've got to heed this wake up call and look at it.
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  We're not on a cruise ship.
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  We're on a battleship.
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  We've got spiritual warfare is a very real thing.
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  Claude, let's consider our calling and purpose as you write about our priorities as Christians,
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  as we do have a great opportunity from the Lord.
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  And one of the things you talk about in the article is to love our neighbors.
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  What does that look like?
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  That you say, nowhere does Scripture tell us to live isolated lives.
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  Isolation leads to desolation.
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  So help us make a distinction between our involvement, salt, light, in culture, politically
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  our involvement and then not loving the world.
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  Help us make that distinction.
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  Well, you can't love your neighbor in isolation.
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  You can't.
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  You can't do it.
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  If you can be like an Amish group and you can love each other like that.
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  But what about the lost and you know, Jesus said to be salt and to be light, salt is
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  a preservative.
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  It's a purifier.
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  It's a flavor enhancer.
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  If ever there was a nation and a culture that needed to be purified with the, you know,
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  that needed to be the flavor need to be tasteless flavor need to be bettered and preserved.
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  Our nation is in great need of salt and light.
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  And the only way that that can happen is by Christians being involved.
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  I think that the idea that Christians should isolate themselves, you know, shut, draw
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  the, draw the blinds down on your windows, lock the doors, batten down the hatches, get
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  great till it's over is totally unscriptural.
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  It's totally unbiblical, un-Christian.
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  The whole purpose, just think about Jesus himself left his throne to come down into this
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  world to incarnate, to walk to the minister here to people, right?
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  For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son, that whosoever would
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  believe on him would not perish, could have everlasting life.
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  And then the Apostle John says, we're to walk as Jesus walked, right?
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  We're to follow in his steps according to Peter, right?
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  And the Apostle Paul said that God's predetermined plan for all Christians is to be conformed
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  to the likeness of Jesus.
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  So this is the apostolic calling that's on our life.
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  This is what the Bible teaches.
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  And the election was just one opportunity to do that.
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  Now we have to keep doing it.
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  And, you know, in our political discussions, you know, they give themselves to truth and
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  applying truth.
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  And you know, Jesus in his high priestly prayer in John 17, his prayer was that the father
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  would sanctify them in truth, sanctify as follows true to be sanctified is to be set apart
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  for God's purposes, right?
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  And then he said, many added to that and he said, your word is truth.
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  You know, there are many people that have given in or been gooped by the deceptive idea
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  of the separation of church and state.
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  That's not something found in the Constitution.
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  That came from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson that actually, in effect, was written
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  with the purpose of protecting the church from the state, not the other way around.
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  That's right.
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  And I think that there's no place we go in society where we should not be sharing the word
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  of God, where we shouldn't be sharing the gospel.
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  I mean, everywhere school board meetings, politicians, you know, just politics.
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  Everywhere we go, workplace, we should be loved the word, you know, influencing culture
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  for righteousness.
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  Our friend Pastor Paul Blair says, what part of your life is Jesus not Lord over, you know?
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, he's Lord over all.
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  He's the Lord of all.
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  I want to go back before we take our break real quick, John 17, 15, you quote that very
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  interesting that Jesus says, I do not pray that you should take them out of the world,
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  that you should keep them from the evil one.
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  And thanks for putting up that article, guys, your greatest patriotic duty, making America
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  truly great and to make it truly great is to have any eternal impact to be chosen,
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  to bear fruit that will last eternal fruit, salvation, souls, we've got to be about souls.
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  So Jesus, even, you know, was praying to the father, keep them from the evil one.
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  He didn't say, keep them from other people, he said, no, keep them, protect them from
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  the devil.
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  Speak to that for a moment, Charles, in light of the context of being involved in whether
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  it culture, politics, just out there as Christians being influential.
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  But one of the greatest heart aches of people that are, you know, really following hard
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  after the Lord is that the state of our nation, but what makes it such a heartache is that,
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  I mean, there are supposedly at least at least 100 million Christians in our nation of
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  which, as it's estimated, between 30 and 40 million don't vote aren't involved in anything.
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  And, you know, that, it just think if another 30 or 40 million Christians were voting for
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  righteousness, right, sometimes the better of two evils, but righteousness nonetheless,
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  think of how our nation, how different our nation would look, therefore because, because
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  they haven't, because of these isolationists, really, they are culpable, right, for the
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  state of our nation, right?
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  It says in James to him who knows to do good and doesn't do it, to him, that's sin, right?
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  So, I mean, sometimes people, why, why, why don't they get involved?
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  It's too, it makes them feel too uncomfortable, they're, you know, they, they, maybe they,
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  they're weak in their faith and they, or they, or they have some skewered view of, you
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  know, or being involved with earthly things, you know, they think that, you know, John statement
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  about not loving the world or the things of the world, the lust of the eyes, you know,
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  these types of things, but, but that, that is, Jesus, the power of the gospel and the
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  Holy Spirit within us is powerful enough to where the real power is seen is that we can
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  be in the midst of the world, but not like the world.
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  Amen.
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  That's what light is.
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  We're in darkness, but we dispel the darkness with his light.
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  You know, if you're hiding in a lit room, what good is that?
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  I mean, it's, it's worthless, really.
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  Well, I know you're exaggerating when you say we're closing the blinds, we're bolting
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  up the doors and we're staying at home, but the point is you are not Christian.
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  If you are a Christian influencing your neighbors or your culture for righteousness, you
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  are not doing what God has called you to do.
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  If you're sitting at home and not getting involved and not trying to protect at least
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  your children in the most vulnerable among us by voting, we've got a lot more coming
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  up with Claude Stoffer, the website shepherdofhope.org, right back on World View Matters.
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  We have so much more to get to but we're running out of time so I want to jump to something
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  that I think is important that you pointed out in your article, the gospel of Jesus Christ
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  changes people's lives and then you say it can change communists, socialists, rebels.
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  Let's just stop right there.
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  Let's understand that who we perceive to be the enemy might not be the actual enemy.
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  Our struggle is not against flesh and blood.
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  Now we are not to align with them because they are rebelling against our God and the truth.
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  But they can be saved.
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  That's what we forget when we're having these conversations, we're talking, communicating
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  with a human soul, another person who might not have the same worldview, but they still
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  need to hear the truth and hopefully receive the gospel.
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  Your thoughts on that before we move on, Claude?
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  Well, you know, Jesus said the greatest commandment is to love your neighbor as yourself.
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  And then he went even beyond that and he said for us to love our enemies.
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  So even if you see socialists, communists, leftists, you know, these even Satanists, you
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  know, whoever it is, these are, if you see them as our enemies, we're still to love
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  them.
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  And now the greatest way to love someone is to share the gospel with them.
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  It's not to win them over to get them to turn from being a Democrat to Republican or
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  even a leftist to a rightist or a liberal to a conservative.
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  It's those things will all fall into place.
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  The greatest way to love someone is to share the gospel with them is to make assurance.
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  What good is it if a Democrat turns to Republican, but when they die, they don't know Jesus
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  as their savior and they spend eternity in the lake of fire.
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  I mean, you know, so, so really as a Christian, you know, our worldview, your program is
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  worldview matters and worldview really does matter.
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  Our worldview is an eternal one, you know, and Ecclesiastes Solomon was constantly referring
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  about things under the sun.
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  There are many things under the sun and an imaginary horizontal plane, right?
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  There are many things.
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  But the only way that those things become worth worth worth something and valuable is to
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  see them from an eternal perspective and how they could be used to work eternal works.
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  So before we run out of time, I just want to jump to the end of this article and maybe
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  we will get to part of your article called Why would God in President Trump's acceptance
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  speech?
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  One of the things he said was many people have told me that God spared my life for a reason.
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  And that reason was to save our country and to restore America to greatness.
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  And now we are going to fulfill that mission.
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  And quote, so you say, let's hope America has made great again.
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  But let's hope and pray that greatness includes more heartfelt worship from hearts that have
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  been turned to God and Pastor Claude, you are right on brother.
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  Big amen.
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  Go ahead and expound on that because that's got to be our focus.
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  Well, the day after the election, my daughter-in-law sent me a video clip of a gathering at Mar-a-Lago
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  right after President Trump's acceptance speech.
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  And in that meeting, it was a short minute, minute and a half clip, people had spontaneously
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  broken out in worship singing the great hymn, how great though art.
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  And I have to be honest with you, bro, you know, I'm not really someone who cries or weeps
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  or, you know, becomes a, you know, when I saw that, I just got an instant lump in my throat.
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  I almost couldn't control my emotion because that was just such an incredible move of the
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  spirit.
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  And that is what our nation needs to get back to, spontaneous worship of the Lord, you
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  know?
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  And so, I mean, that's, if we only make advances politically, then we fall in far short
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  of our mission, at least as a Christian.
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  It's wonderful to put all these things in place, to pass righteous legislation, to get
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  the right people in the right positions, and stem the tide of leftism and liberalism
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  and communism and socialism, all those isms, that's great.
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  But there has to be something of greater substance.
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  We have to stop being tenuous and timid about sharing our faith, about sharing the truth
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  that's in God's word.
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  The church is the pillar and ground of truth.
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  Jesus came in John 1837 when Jesus came and when he was being interrogated by Pilate,
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  he, when Pilate asked him, are you a king?
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  Jesus said, you say rightly, I'm a king.
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  And then he said his mission, his mission was to bear witness to the truth, right?
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  And so, if we're going to follow in his steps and the walk as Jesus did and be conformed
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  to Jesus' likeness, then we too have to be, you know, purveyors of truth, right?
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  We have to be ambassadors, right?
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  As though the Lord is begging people to be reconciled to God.
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  I think that that's what I was intending to communicate in the articles, in both those
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  articles.
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  That's what the Lord put on my heart and Christians, we need to wake up.
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  We just need to step out and faith and not, not hesitate.
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  We've been too, too long we've allowed ourselves to be pigeonholed and isolated and cornered.
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  We need to get out in the world, in the community at our work, at schools, at school board meetings
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  and all of these things, all of these things and at baseball games, I mean, just everywhere
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  we go, you know, we need to be his ambassadors.
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  Yeah, well, we are, I mean, we should be, we do represent the King of Kings and it is
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  a very real position that we have.
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  We are citizens of heaven, but we have a citizenship here.
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  Didn't Paul say, I appeal to Caesar so that he can continue to share the gospel and speak
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  the truth.
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  He stood for his rights, very briefly, Claude, just give us a little summation of your
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  article, why would God and what was put on your heart there to just ask those questions,
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  why would God do what he's been doing for such a time as this?
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  Well, the article begins by saying, you know, why would God blow a bullet and ears breath
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  from a candidate's head only to allow him to be defeated in an election, right?
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  And would God do that?
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  And obviously in hindsight, we know that he wouldn't do that and that should have told
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  us right there that God had a purpose.
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  God has heard our prayers.
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  You know, let me, let me, let's ask all of us, ask ourselves the question, do we really
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  believe that God is, you know, listens to our prayers that he can actually answer and
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  intervene?
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  Why were we so surprised when the election turned out the way it did?
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  I mean, especially when we have this incredible sign, I mean, do you realize how incredible
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  and how miraculous it was that president, that president Trump's life was spared?
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  Yes.
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  I mean, that was really an incredible development and that was really a prophetic sign to us.
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  And that happens in society sometimes.
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  We just need to recognize it, step out in faith and take the ball and run with it, you
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  know?
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  Yeah.
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  And you asked that question throughout.
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  It's a great article, friends.
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  I would God in 1776 raise up a nation of 2.5 million people from 13 colonies to resist
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  the tyranny of an empire of 8 million.
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  And it goes on raising up, you know, 55, 75 delegates of the US, the United States of America
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  to prayerfully create a federal republic under God composed of executive legislative and
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  judicial branches.
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  It's a great article.
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  There's so much more in there, but we need to answer that question now.
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  Why would God?
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  We don't have all the answers, but we've learned a lot and here we are and we see he's given
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  us a little bit time, maybe to get government not straightened out, but at least we can
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  reverse some trends.
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  But the church, we've got to focus on the church and the gospel and I'll give you one more
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  minute to just share whatever's on your heart to wrap things up.
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  Yes, we have to focus on the church and the gospel and government and education and
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  every place.
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  We need students, Christian students in secular universities to stand up for Jesus.
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  Like we saw in some of the recent Christian movies, we need to stand up and be a voice
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  for the Lord in every facet of society.
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  We need to do that in our families, right?
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  Thanks.
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  What's the great question?
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  Don't talk about politics or religion, right?
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  But I got a sneaking suspicion that this Thanksgiving, there's going to be a lot of discussion
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  and it's going to provide great opportunity to us to infiltrate this world and influence
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  it to the glory of God.
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  Amen.
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  Let's start writing our families.
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  Thanks, giving's coming up.
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  Great point, Claude.
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  Let's be the bigger person if the argument gets political and to whatever, don't be the
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  one that gets sucked into the heated battle.
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  Let's just remember the gospel and let's get their souls saved.
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  Calvary, chapel of hope, Pastor Claude will do this again, Lord willing.
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  Thanks for your time.
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  God bless your friends and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.