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“March Badness.” · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Thanks for watching!
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 2: On today's pod, the White House press corps whiffs its
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  Speaker 2: first presidential news conference. Republicans are controlling the media narrative
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  Speaker 2: on the border. And in Georgia, they just passed voter
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  Speaker 2: suppression legislation that Joe Biden called an atrocity. Then we
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  Speaker 2: have a very important update from Tommy on the contest
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  Speaker 2: we promised last week when we were trying to figure
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  Speaker 2: out who's actually worse than Ron Johnson. So stick around
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  Speaker 2: for that later on. But first, Lovett, tell us about
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  Speaker 2: the show this week.
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  Speaker 1: Great, Lovett or leave it. Danielle Perez, hilarious in the
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  Speaker 1: opening of the show. Jason and Renee came by and
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  Speaker 1: did a starch madness bracket on snacks. Renee's very healthy,
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  Speaker 1: so she won by losing. And then I talked to
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  Speaker 1: Alon Levy about infrastructure. The thing I talked about on PSA,
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  Speaker 1: we turned it into.
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  Speaker 3: An interview on Love or Leave It. There you go.
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  Speaker 1: It was infrastructure week, but it was a great show.
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  Speaker 2: Just really trying hard to work for Mayor Pete one
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  Speaker 2: of these days. Get a job at DOT. I got
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  Speaker 2: the latest episode of Hysteria. Speaking of Pete, where Senator
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  Speaker 2: Amy Klobuchar joined Aaron and Alyssa to talk about the
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  Speaker 2: For the People Act and her budding friendship with Secretary
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  Speaker 3: Weren't they spotted walking in a market or something recently?
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  Speaker 2: I have not heard this.
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  Speaker 3: I think I read that somewhere. I'll dig into it.
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  Speaker 3: I'll get back to you.
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  Speaker 2: Spotted.
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  Speaker 3: Spotted.
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  Speaker 2: Amy and Pete. All right. One more note. We are
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  Speaker 2: slash store. All right, let's get to the news. For
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  Speaker 2: the first 65 days of the Biden presidency, in the
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  Speaker 2: midst of a global pandemic and an economic downturn, much
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  Speaker 2: of the Washington media has been focused on the biggest
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  Speaker 2: story of them all.
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  Speaker 4: The questions are piling up for President Biden, who now
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  Speaker 4: becomes the first president in a century to not hold
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  Speaker 4: a solo press conference. 43 days into his term, no
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  Speaker 4: Biden alone. at the lectern in the White House.
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  Speaker 5: We see the president frequently holding events about COVID, holding
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  Speaker 5: events of vaccination sites, et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: We see him a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Are we getting the access for question and answer that
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  Speaker 1: the White House press corps wants to see?
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  Speaker 2: It's been more than a month now, and.
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  Speaker 3: There's been no solo press conference by the new president.
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  Speaker 6: Both of his most recent predecessors, Donald Trump and Barack Obama,
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  Speaker 6: had held a solo presser within the first month of
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  Speaker 6: their presidency.
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  Speaker 7: But why hasn't he carved out some time to answer
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  Speaker 7: some tough questions for multiple reporters live about the COVID
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  Speaker 7: relief package or school openings or the immigration surge at
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  Speaker 7: the border.
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  Speaker 2: Unleashed, finally, on Thursday, the White House press corps got
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  Speaker 2: its chance after President Biden kicked off the press conference
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  Speaker 2: by announcing that he has a new goal of 200
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  Speaker 2: million shots in arms by the end of his first
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  Speaker 2: 100 days. He stuck around for 62 minutes so that
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  Speaker 2: reporters could follow up with around two dozen questions that
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  Speaker 2: are weighing heavily on the minds of the American people.
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  Speaker 2: Let's hear some.
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  Speaker 6: Your old friend, Mitch McConnell, says you have only spoken
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  Speaker 6: to each other once since you took office and that
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  Speaker 6: you have moved far left since taking office. Do you
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  Speaker 6: see it the same way he does? Have you rejected bipartisanship?
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  Speaker 6: Have you decided whether you are going to run for
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  Speaker 6: reelection in 2024? You haven't set up a reelection campaign yet,
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  Speaker 6: as your predecessor had by this time.
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  Speaker 2: And if you do run, will Vice President Harris be
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  Speaker 2: on your ticket?
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  Speaker 7: And do you believe you'll be running against former President Trump?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, come.
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  Speaker 2: On. Tommy, the Columbia Journalism Review wrote that many of
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  Speaker 2: the questions showed that, quote, the political press is more
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  Speaker 2: concerned with novelty, spectacle, and contrived outrage than with transparency. Fair?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it was bad. The questions were very redundant.
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  Speaker 3: Some were vague and confusing. The immigration questions mostly adopted
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  Speaker 3: the Republican framing. I thought Biden did a pretty good job,
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  Speaker 3: all things considered. He seemed pretty at ease and comfortable
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  Speaker 3: in the job and I thought made a compelling case
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  Speaker 3: for infrastructure. But that was not what folks wanted to
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  Speaker 3: ask him about. I mean, it does bring you to
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  Speaker 3: a larger question about the value of these kinds of
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  Speaker 3: set piece events. During the Obama years, there was a
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  Speaker 3: conversation about how to update press interactions with the White House,
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  Speaker 3: with the president, the White House briefing room, and the
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  Speaker 3: press secretary. Those didn't really happen. Those conversations didn't continue
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  Speaker 3: during the Trump years because he was so abnormal. He
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  Speaker 3: loved shouting lies over helicopter engines and They basically got
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  Speaker 3: rid of the press secretary's briefing for years at a time.
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  Speaker 3: And so, you know, Biden wanted to get back to normal,
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  Speaker 3: but like clearly there's a lot of room for improvement here.
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  Speaker 3: I saw reporters complaining that Biden didn't make news as
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  Speaker 3: if that's his job, right? I mean, I would actually
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  Speaker 3: argue he did make news about both vaccines in Afghanistan,
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  Speaker 3: but okay. It was also a reminder that Republicans can
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  Speaker 3: bully the press corps into focusing on whatever issue they want.
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  Speaker 3: They made it about the border. They made it a crisis.
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  Speaker 3: They made it about this is a political problem for
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  Speaker 3: Biden with no context or history. And that does not
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  Speaker 3: lead to an honest conversation about a tough issue. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look, these press conferences, they're anachronistic traditions. They
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  Speaker 3: could be structured better. Maybe Biden should just do longer
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  Speaker 3: one-on-one interviews where he'll be less likely to get the
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  Speaker 3: same question 10 times. But asking if you're going to
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  Speaker 3: run for reelection and if you predict it'll be against Trump,
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  Speaker 3: And if Kamala will be the VP instead of COVID,
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  Speaker 3: that is an indefensible waste of time. Love it.
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  Speaker 2: Not a single question about the pandemic, which according to
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  Speaker 2: polls is the number one issue on voters' minds of
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  Speaker 2: all parties.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm radicalized. I've been radicalized.
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  Speaker 3: It's happened.
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  Speaker 1: I'm against doing these. I think that they're a full
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  Speaker 1: waste of time. There's a fundamental problem here. What is
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  Speaker 1: the most effective way to ask the president a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of probing questions on the key issues of the day?
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  Speaker 1: Is it at random having 20 people independently develop one
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  Speaker 1: question and hope that a full range of issues are covered?
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  Speaker 1: and hope that those individuals adapt as those questions are asked. Well,
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  Speaker 1: clearly that's not happening because there were multiple questions, as
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  Speaker 1: Tommy said, around immigration that were framed along Republican lines,
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  Speaker 1: but also there were just questions that repeated themselves. That
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  Speaker 1: was also true on the filibuster. So no, they didn't
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  Speaker 1: adapt in the kind of questions they were asking. And
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  Speaker 1: I do think that there is this.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of the questions, especially around politics, around the filibuster,
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  Speaker 1: these were troll questions. They would be offended by saying it,
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  Speaker 1: but these are trollish questions. You're trolling for a response.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they're asked for the same reasons Ted
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  Speaker 1: Cruz tries to troll people in everything that he does,
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  Speaker 1: but it is a kind of troll move to be like,
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  Speaker 1: are you really bipartisan? What happens if you don't fulfill
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  Speaker 1: your entire agenda? Will you be a successful president?
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  Speaker 3: Straight shooter Mitch McConnell describes you accordingly. Is he right? Like,
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  Speaker 3: come on. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And so where I land is like, well, okay, what
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  Speaker 1: is the goal? Like we have, I feel like as,
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  Speaker 1: you know, citizens and partisans, like two goals. One is
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  Speaker 1: to like educate the American people about and hold the
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  Speaker 1: president accountable also while making sure that he is like
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  Speaker 1: fulfilling his political objectives? Like, what's the best way to
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  Speaker 1: do both of those things? The town halls with regular
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  Speaker 1: people who ask far better questions, plus sit-down interviews, serious,
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  Speaker 1: hard-hitting sit-down interviews that run each topic to ground, like,
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  Speaker 1: those two things together are far more effective and far more,
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  Speaker 1: I think, informative than the thing that we saw. Not
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  Speaker 1: that there weren't, amidst some bad questions, some really good
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  Speaker 1: questions and good moments.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, we.
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  Speaker 2: It is totally appropriate and fair for Joe Biden to
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  Speaker 2: take very tough, serious, substantive questions from the press. That
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  Speaker 2: is not at all what we're saying. But what reporters
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  Speaker 2: sometimes do to deflect media criticism is they claim to
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  Speaker 2: be speaking on behalf of the American people. The public
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  Speaker 2: has a right to know this. The public wants... President
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  Speaker 2: Biden to take questions the public this the public that
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  Speaker 2: they are not representing what is on the public's mind
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  Speaker 2: these White House reporters they are representing what is on
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  Speaker 2: the minds of producers and editors and reporters that they
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  Speaker 2: talk to in their Washington to New York circles those
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  Speaker 2: that is what these questions reflect the public cares about
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  Speaker 2: COVID the public cares about the economy about joblessness about
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  Speaker 2: homelessness about racism about Republicans care about immigration. There's plenty
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  Speaker 2: of substantive immigration questions you can ask, as we'll get
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  Speaker 2: to in a second. So it's not about the fact
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  Speaker 2: that like, oh, Democrats don't want them to have tough questions.
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  Speaker 2: It's we don't want stupid fucking questions. And they're asking
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  Speaker 2: stupid questions. Just this morning at the White House briefing again,
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Mason asked Jen Psaki, oh, with the CDC saying
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  Speaker 2: that maybe there's a rise in cases again, will President
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  Speaker 2: Biden reconsider the his plans to travel so much. The
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  Speaker 2: vaccinated president traveling on Air Force One, they asked the
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  Speaker 2: question again. They ask it once a week about his travel.
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  Speaker 2: What are they doing?
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  Speaker 3: There are also, I saw some people suggest that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the COVID news is too good. The relief bill passed
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  Speaker 3: was too positive, right? So that's why I didn't get
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  Speaker 3: asked about it. I just disagree with that. There are
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  Speaker 3: a lot of tough questions you could still ask about COVID.
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  Speaker 3: School reopening has been incredibly contentious. You could, be annoying
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  Speaker 3: and push him on whether vaccination targets have been artificially
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  Speaker 3: low and that we should be moving faster. You could
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  Speaker 3: ask about literally anything Larry Summers has uttered over the
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  Speaker 3: last three months, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like there's lots of annoying and tough angles. Potential for
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  Speaker 1: a fourth wave rising, Kate. Like there's a host of things.
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  Speaker 3: To talk about.
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  Speaker 2: Inflation concerns. There's like so many legitimate topics. Do you
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  Speaker 2: think you'll face Donald Trump again in 2024? What's the question?
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  Speaker 1: That was an embarrassing moment for everybody.
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  Speaker 2: So whatever you may think of the White House press
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  Speaker 2: corps' failure to ask a single question about COVID-19, the
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  Speaker 2: most glaring omission of the press conference came from the
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  Speaker 2: president himself, who neglected to call on the Edward R.
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  Speaker 2: Murrow of our time, Fox News' Peter Doocy. Per usual,
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  Speaker 2: the network and their star White House journalists took the
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  Speaker 2: snub in stride.
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  Speaker 10: Of course, Joe didn't take any questions from our own
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  Speaker 10: Peter Doocy.
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  Speaker 3: Not a shock there.
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  Speaker 10: Naturally, none of the other reporters even dared to ask
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  Speaker 10: about the wind knocking Joe Biden down three times, climbing
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  Speaker 10: up Air Force One, the stairs there.
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  Speaker 3: The wind knocked him over.
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  Speaker 4: Well, if I had been there, I definitely would have
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  Speaker 4: told the president to call on Peter Doocy.
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  Speaker 3: Peter Doocy is not Jim Acosta. And he's got good questions.
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  Speaker 1: Tell you something else.
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  Speaker 2: President Trump didn't do.
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  Speaker 1: I certainly did not give him a list of reporters
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  Speaker 1: to call out in order.
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  Speaker 9: Fox is the only member of the five network TV
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  Speaker 9: pool that has never been on the list in front
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  Speaker 9: of the president. And I'm just curious, but that is
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  Speaker 9: official administration policy.
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  Speaker 1: We're here having a conversation, aren't we?
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  Speaker 6: And do I take questions from you every time you
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  Speaker 6: come to the briefing room?
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  Speaker 7: Has the president taken questions from you since he came
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  Speaker 7: into office?
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  Speaker 1: Yes or no?
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  Speaker 9: Unfortunately, only when I have shouted after he goes through
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  Speaker 9: his whole list. And the president has been very generous
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  Speaker 9: with his time with Fox. I'm just curious about this list.
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  Speaker 3: That he is giving.
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  Speaker 2: Do we need to start a petition? Should, Lovett, should
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  Speaker 2: we have people call the White House on behalf of
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  Speaker 2: Peter Doocy?
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  Speaker 1: Never call on Peter Doocy. Never. Until the day, never.
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  Speaker 1: No reason to call on Peter. Look, Joe Biden, I think,
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  Speaker 1: wisely skipped over, I think, two organizations that have done
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  Speaker 1: the most to kind of parrot right-wing talking points in
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  Speaker 1: their political coverage, Fox News and the New York Times.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that that just makes sense. Just like
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  Speaker 1: from a base political reason, like I think that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Like kind of you steer away from the kind of
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  Speaker 1: more rightward tilting organizations, especially in your first press conference.
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  Speaker 3: I just love how they make the news about themselves.
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  Speaker 3: It's just like narcissistic, solipsistic worldview that is so ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think, do I think that Joe Biden would
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  Speaker 3: have struggled with a question from Peter Doocy?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: Do I think he should give Fox News a question ever?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
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  Speaker 1: Fox News is the propaganda arm of the Republican Party.
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  Speaker 1: treated accordingly.
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  Speaker 3: Who cares if the son of the doofus on the
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  Speaker 3: Trump-loving morning show is upset? And also, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was stupid and annoying when CNN focused
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  Speaker 3: on how Jim Acosta was treated by Trump at press conferences,
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  Speaker 3: even though that was clearly worse because he was calling
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  Speaker 3: him the enemy of the people and inciting people against
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  Speaker 3: the entire network. But it's not about you, Fox, but
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  Speaker 3: this is all they do. It's all grievance. They tried
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  Speaker 3: to shit on us in 2009. We caved eventually. Like,
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  Speaker 3: Biden should just stay tough. Who cares about Peter Doocy?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, my critique of the White House is they're being
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  Speaker 2: too nice to Fox. Poor Jen Psaki's up there every
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  Speaker 2: day taking questions from fucking Peter Doocy. That's nicer than
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  Speaker 2: she has to be. She just gave him a swirly there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that is funny. That's actually maybe more fun. But they are, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they are a propaganda network. I would make an argument
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  Speaker 2: for Joe Biden never calling on Fox once the entire
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  Speaker 2: time he's fucking president.
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  Speaker 7: No reason.
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  Speaker 2: They're not a news organization.
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  Speaker 1: Just gonna, I am radicalized. Never call on these people.
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  Speaker 1: Never do a press conference in front of them ever again.
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  Speaker 1: You want to talk to people, go to... Let these
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  Speaker 1: serious news organizations decide internally who they want to interview
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  Speaker 1: Joe Biden in one-on-one. The three of us know that
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  Speaker 1: there's a ton of politics that go on behind the
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  Speaker 1: scenes about who's going to get the interview, who's going
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  Speaker 1: to do this, and that these press conferences relieve a
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  Speaker 1: certain amount of pressure they face to go in front
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  Speaker 1: of these reporters.
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  Speaker 3: Fine.
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  Speaker 1: I understand why inevitably these things are going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: But like, man. I am just not at all interested
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  Speaker 1: in their complaints anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Also, it's like, do you know what the consequences are
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  Speaker 2: for never calling on Fox News? Absolutely nothing. Do you
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  Speaker 2: know what's going to change? Absolutely nothing. They're going to
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  Speaker 2: whine and lie about you like they do if you
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  Speaker 2: take a question anyway. Do you think voters care if
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  Speaker 2: you don't take a question from Fox News? Of course not.
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  Speaker 2: No one fucking cares. Keep whining. Peter Doocy. That was amazing.
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  Speaker 2: So even though Fox wasn't called on, the network's favorite
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  Speaker 2: issue was the subject of more questions than any other
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  Speaker 2: topic by far. As you guys mentioned, here's a quick
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  Speaker 2: sample of all the immigration questions. You've said over and
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  Speaker 2: over again that immigrants shouldn't come to this country right now.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't the time to come. That message is not
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  Speaker 1: being received.
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  Speaker 11: I'd like to circle back to immigration, please. I've spoken
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  Speaker 11: to lawyers who say that some of these children have
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  Speaker 11: not seen the sun in days. What is your reaction
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  Speaker 11: to these images that have come out from that particular facility?
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  Speaker 11: Is what's happening inside acceptable to you? And when is
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  Speaker 11: this going to be fixed?
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  Speaker 8: Given the conditions that were just laid out at the
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  Speaker 8: migrant facilities at the U.S. border, will you commit to
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  Speaker 8: allowing journalists to have access to the facilities that are
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  Speaker 8: overcrowded moving forward.
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  Speaker 6: How do you realistically and physically keep these families from
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  Speaker 6: coming to the US?
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  Speaker 2: So that many questions about immigration was a victory for
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  Speaker 2: congressional Republicans who've been trying everything to move the media
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  Speaker 2: narrative away from Biden's popular rescue plan, including a stunt
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  Speaker 2: last week where 18 Republican senators made a trip to
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  Speaker 2: the border so they could get on camera. Here's Lindsey
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  Speaker 2: Graham and Steve Daines telling us what to focus on.
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  Speaker 3: Why are 18 senators here?
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  Speaker 7: Because.
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  Speaker 5: It's the biggest issue facing the country in many ways
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  Speaker 5: right now. The flood of Mexican meth, Mexican heroin, Mexican fentanyl.
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  Speaker 1: 20 years ago in Montana, meth was homemade. It was homegrown.
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  Speaker 1: And it had purity levels.
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  Speaker 3: Less than 30%.
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  Speaker 5: Today, the meth that is getting into Montana is Mexican cartel.
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  Speaker 2: Make meth great again. Stop importing math. So like it's
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  Speaker 2: easy to mock these Republicans. There's some great Twitter jokes
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  Speaker 2: about Ted Cruz posting footage of himself in what appears
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  Speaker 2: to be a jungle by the border. But it does
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  Speaker 2: seem like they've been able to spin the media into
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  Speaker 2: believing their Biden's border crisis bullshit. even though there's no
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  Speaker 2: evidence this influx of migrants has anything to do with
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden's policies. Tommy, why do you think Republicans have
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  Speaker 2: been successful here? And what should Democrats be saying about
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: all this?
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, here's a challenge for Biden, right? Which
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: is that the humanitarian situation is really bad. It's unacceptable.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: And the government needs to do a better job of
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: caring for these human beings. And I don't want to,
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: you know, parrot their crisis language, but clearly the most
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: problematic part of this issue is if there ever, you
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: have the government treating kids, especially in an inhumane way.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: But Treating them well requires infrastructure, money, people, better laws,
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: and a better system. And Republicans are creating a political trap, right?
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Because they want Joe Biden to say this is a crisis.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: But on the other side of that omission isn't humanity.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: It's a harsher response. It's turning the kids away. It's
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: build that wall chance. And so you have Lindsey Graham
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: and his buddies. in their little boat, you saw them
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: driving around with like a boat with a machine gun,
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: I guess, to defend against unaccompanied minors. And what they
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: want actually is to bring back the remain in Mexico policy,
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: which would move the humanitarian crisis over the border a
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: couple of miles into Mexico, right? Because during the Trump administration,
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: asylum seekers had to wait in squalid camps there. So,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: you know, that's what's so frustrating about this debate is
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Republicans don't actually want to do any of the things
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: that would solve the problem. They want to build up
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: pressure to push Biden to act in some nebulous way,
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: but all the ways they want him to act make
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: things worse. We went through years and years and years
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: of Trump being as harsh as he possibly could to
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: people trying to immigrate to the United States, and the
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: numbers just went up and up and up. It's like,
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: that's why this conversation feels so broken and frustrating.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, love it. It does seem that Republicans have duped
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: reporters basically into covering the issue the way they want
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: it covered. There's a legitimate story about the conditions at
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: both border facilities and having enough space at HHS that
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: the Biden administration does need to solve. And reporters could
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: focus on that. A lot of those questions weren't focused
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: on that. A lot of those questions were focused on
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: just the general influx of migrants crisis frame that the
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Republicans have been pushing, which isn't necessarily true.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: We also like it's also very confusing. Like the Republican
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: rhetoric is contradictory, right? It's like, you know, Joe Biden
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: is putting kids in cages, but also his open borders
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: policy is causing this surge. There is a rise in apprehensions. Therefore,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: we need more border security. But wait, hold on a second.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: If it's a rise in apprehensions, that means that the
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: border security is apprehending people as they're attempting to come over.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Why are they attempting to come over illegally? Well, because
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: there are still orders in place because of the pandemic
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: that turn a lot of people away. Why are there
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: more unaccompanied minors? Well, because we're not doing a barbarous
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: thing of turning away children who are here alone, but
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: we are still turning away families. This is very complicated.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: And I think this is yet another example, I think,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: where there's a really hard substantive problem here. The Trump
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: administration said, all right, cruelty will be our weapon. That
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: will be our policy lever. We will use cruelty as
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: a tool to try to stop people from trying to
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: come into the country, the Biden administration won't do that. Well, immediately,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: there is still cruelty. There are still too many kids
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: trying to come in. There are still huge problems at
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: the border. What are we going to do to address that? Well,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: it's a complicated issue involving really long-term plan about helping
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: countries where these people are coming from, building the infrastructure,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: as Tommy said. And we never get to that part
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: of the debate because we've got Ted Cruz in a
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: fucking flak jacket aiming a gun in a raft trying
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: to seem tough because it's about trolling Joe Biden and
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: retconning what the Trump administration did.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: It's just this idea that Joe Biden is a nice
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: guy or Joe Biden's policies are somehow causing this when
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: there was there was an influx in 2019 of the
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: same magnitude when Donald Trump was president. No one thought
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump's policies or Donald Trump's personality was somehow drawing
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: migrants to the United States. And yet there was a
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: larger influx or as large influx at times in 2019.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: But like, okay, let's say, There is an impact of
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: removing a racist, violent, jingoistic administration, sending a signal that
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: maybe things are different. What's your answer to that? Go
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: back to the barbarism that we had a few months ago?
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Go back to that impulse? That's what we need to do?
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because the real difference is Joe Biden's not turning
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: away kids anymore because he's following the asylum laws. And
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: the press has framed this as like Joe Biden's more,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: you know, he's changed policies. No, he's going back to
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: like what presidents have done forever, except for Donald Trump.
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: The reality is that most people are getting turned away
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: when they try to cross the border because of a
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: provision called Title 42, which says the government. can turn
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: people away from the border for health reasons. In this case,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: we're talking about COVID. That means like 80% of people
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: are getting turned away and a lot of them are
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: trying again, which is increasing numbers. You guys made the
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: important point. Biden is not turning away children because that's
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: an unthinkable thing to do, to take a 12-year-old kid
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: and plop them back down in Mexico and say, best
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: of luck. But reporters still brought to the conversation the
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: suggestion that Because Biden is more humane, that's leading to
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: a surge. You're always going to be able to find
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: anecdotal evidence of people who say things like that, but
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: it completely ignores the much broader, more complicated set of
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: economic conditions, security conditions, COVID, natural disasters that have led
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: a lot of people in Northern Triangle countries in Central
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: America to try to come to the U.S. over the years.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: And simplifying it down to Joe Biden, nice or not,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: it's an unbelievably facile, unhelpful way to have this conversation.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: You know what is more helpful? ABC This Week flying
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: their roundtable down to the border for their Sunday show roundtable.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: And, you know, it's the fact that the Biden administration
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: does not want to use deprivation and cruelty to dissuade
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: people in the same way that the Trump administration did.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: does not mean that there aren't terrible conditions that reporters
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: are right to question the Biden administration over.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Totally.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: But then you dig into that, you dig into that
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: and what's happening.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: It's a really difficult logistical question about what you do
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: to find a place for these kids that isn't harmful,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: that isn't unsafe, that isn't unhealthy. When there's COVID restrictions
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: and that are different in all parts of the country,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: it's a difficult, thorny, hard problem. And by the way,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: there's that short-term problem and then there's the medium-term problem.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: or longer-term question is like, okay, well, what should this
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: asylum system look like? And what do you do if
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the Republican argument is the more humane the system, the
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: more people will.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Try to use it?
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: That creates a paradox that nobody wants to address, which
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: is if the answer is a humane system results in
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: a crisis, then is your answer, is that where we go?
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: The only answer is creating an inhumane border? That's what
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: the answer seems to be.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: They want us to force that. They want that to
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: be the forced choice.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: That's the political trap of this whole thing.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Which is a false choice.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they want to build that wall and they just
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: want to blame Biden for not having success. They're not
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: trying to solve the problem. They don't give a fuck
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: about the problem. It's a political argument.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: But ABC News has solved the problem by having a
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: set in a different location with the same pundits in
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: more casual clothing. That's the way we're going to work
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: this out.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Nailed it.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Completely nailed it. So one person who refuses to be
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: excluded from this border narrative is Donald Trump, who told
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Judge Jeanine over the weekend that he feels he owes
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: it to ICE to go to the border himself. This
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: was part of a mini media tour from the former president,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: which he also told Laura Ingraham that the armed insurrectionists
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: who stormed the Capitol, one of whom tried to gouge
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: a cop's eye out, posed, quote, zero threat, saying, quote,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: some of them went in and they're hugging and kissing
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: the police and the guards. But the most important recent
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: appearance from Trump came over the weekend when he surprised
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: a Mar-a-Lago wedding reception. with a beautiful toast to the
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: new couple. Here's a clip.
• 24:44
  Speaker 12: You know, I just got, I turned off the news.
• 24:46
  Speaker 12: I get all these flash reports and they're telling me
• 24:49
  Speaker 12: about the border.
• 24:50
  Speaker 13: They're telling me about China. They're telling me about Iran.
• 24:54
  Speaker 13: How are we doing with Iran? Well, they weren't ready
• 24:58
  Speaker 13: to make a deal. They wouldn't have done anything. They
• 25:00
  Speaker 13: wouldn't have done anything. And this guy goes and drops
• 25:03
  Speaker 13: the sanctions. And then he says, we'd like to negotiate. Now,
• 25:06
  Speaker 13: we're not dealing with the United States. They don't want
• 25:08
  Speaker 13: to deal with us anymore. In China, the same thing.
• 25:12
  Speaker 12: They never treated us that way.
• 25:14
  Speaker 13: You saw what happened a few days ago.
• 25:15
  Speaker 12: It was terrible. And the border's not good. The border
• 25:20
  Speaker 12: is the worst anybody's ever seen it.
• 25:22
  Speaker 13: And what you see now, multiply it times 10, Jim.
• 25:26
  Speaker 13: You would know how to handle it.
• 25:27
  Speaker 12: He's the only one I know that might handle the
• 25:29
  Speaker 12: motor tougher than me.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: All right. So anyway, let's raise a glass to the
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: bride and groom here.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: You look like you love each other. Anyway, enjoy the shrimp.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: That was part of your deal.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: You got shrimp.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: All right, I got to go.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: There's one of those speeches at every wedding.
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: I love it.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really in the kind of– we are at
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: the late stage Xanadu. You know, it's very– look, it's pitiful.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I actually hadn't heard the remarks until this moment.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: You can see how– from the Laura Ingraham thing, though,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: how conservative media is going to help him go from
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: being a temporary pariah after inciting an insurrection to a
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: guy who just wishes Joe Biden would get tougher on
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: the border, just going back to complaining about the president
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: and power, the government power, just throwing bombs from the outside.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Nothing controversial about Donald Trump. That's what they're going to do.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're going to memory hole January 6th. That's always
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: been the plan. I do wonder, Trump will certainly draw
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: attention to the border if he goes there. I saw
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Dave Weigel from the Washington Post tweeting about this. I
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: guess the question is, how will people receive that? He's
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: historically unpopular. Are they sick of him? Will he politicize
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: the border issue even more than it already is and
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: maybe be less of an effective messenger against Biden than
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: the images we saw and just the reporting that's getting
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: talked about about the border?
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: One place you can see Donald Trump's influence is Georgia, where,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: as Stacey Abrams put it, quote, Republicans are responding to
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: the big lie by actually doing what the insurrectionists sought
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: by passing a voter suppression law that President Biden called
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Jim Crow in the 21st century. You might have heard
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: that the law criminalizes offering food and water to voters
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: who are waiting in line. It also includes tougher photo
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: ID requirements for mail-in voting and limits on dropboxes. But
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I think the most significant and dangerous reform is that
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: it essentially gives the Republican state legislature control over the
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: state board of elections and the county elections boards, including
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: the authority to suspend officials and disqualify ballots. So love it.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Like I saw some Democratic politicians and election analysts say
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: that this law could create a backlash. You know, Dave
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Wasserman tweeted, if passed his prologue, Georgia Republicans just handed
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Democrats their best turnout tool for 2022 and beyond. I'm
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: not sure about that. Like, it may be true that
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: it could sort of convince a lot more people to
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: go vote because they're trying to be stopped. But if
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Republicans in the legislature control the board of elections, I'm
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: not sure how higher turnout overcomes that. What do you think?
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I think there's three pieces. One is efforts to suppress
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the vote based on the truth, efforts to suppress the
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: vote based on a lie, and efforts to suppress the
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: vote by stealing the election after the election is done.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: So they're trying to restrict mail-in voting because they've been
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: convinced by a lie around mail-in voting. Before this election,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: it was not clear to anybody that mail-in voting was
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: better for Democrats or Republicans. Trump both made that up
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: and kind of made it true in one election during
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: COVID because he idiotically convinced a bunch of people not
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: to vote that way, even though it's perfectly safe and
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: traditionally had not been seen as having a partisan advantage.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Then there's a bunch of pieces of this that are
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: just simply trying to suppress the votes of African-Americans and Democrats.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: And I do think To your point, like those can
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: be very harmful. Those are pernicious. They can be overcome.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: They've been overcome in the past. The third piece of this,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I think, is not getting enough attention, which is, well,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: if Democrats win a close election and Republicans decide they
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: don't accept the results, we don't have a Brad Raffensperger.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: They just kick Brad Raffensperger out. And so we are not,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I don't think we are being attentive enough to the
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: threat that in a close presidential election, in a close
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: race in a state like Georgia, the ability of a legislature,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: which is, by the way, filled with more radicals than
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Republicans in Congress, than state Republicans, local Republicans have been
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: some of the most radical human beings in politics, giving
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: them the power to decide the outcome of an election
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: or who's in charge of overseeing the election is incredibly dangerous.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: And we might see We are fortunate that we got
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: to the end of this where the closed states at
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: the end were certified and the results were counted and
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: we won unequivocally. But in a closer election or even
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: one that's not as close, we might see Republicans send
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: their own electors, for example. And then we're then we're
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: off to the races, especially given we don't know what's
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: going to happen in the 2022 midterms. So it's very,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: very dangerous what's happening.
• 29:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, you said a close election, but you're right.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: It doesn't it doesn't actually have to be close. Look
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: what happened in Michigan.
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Michigan was not a particularly close state. And yet we had,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: you know, their county board was sort of deadlocked between
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Republicans and Democrats. And it was only the fact that
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: you had one Republican who was not super Trumpy, who said,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to go along with this to overturn
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: to try to overturn the election or something. or say
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: that we're not going to certify this. You have the
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Republican legislature in control of the elections machinery, not just
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: at the state level, but on the county level, and
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: they're able to disqualify ballots. The food and water thing
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: has been getting a lot of attention because it's the
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: most vivid imagery, but I think this is very, very dangerous. Tommy,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on this?
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Yes, that is a very disconcerting piece of this law.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, just to explain the food and water thing
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: to folks, I mean, the thing to know is that
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Studies have shown that voters in communities with larger minority
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: populations tend to face longer wait times to vote. Fulton County, Georgia,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: where Atlanta is, is at the very top of that list, right?
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: So that doesn't happen by accident. Republicans try to make
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: it harder to vote in black communities. And now what
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: they're doing is saying, if I go and try to
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: give a bottle of water to someone who's waiting hours
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: to vote, I could be arrested for that, right? So
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: like they're trying to create reasons for black voters to,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: mostly to leave the lines. Now, I will say the
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: silver lining a little bit of all of this is
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: it's really good that we're talking about this. We're talking
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: about it candidly. It's good that Joe Biden really hammered
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: home how awful these laws were, because I think a
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: lot of times it's the case that voter suppression bills
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: get passed. There's not a lot of coverage. And then
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: when Democrats lose because of them, the like thumbsucker analysis
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: pieces about why it happened is like, oh, the Democrats
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: are too liberal or whatever it is, right? that's not
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: happening here. We're talking about this, honestly. I also think
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: it seems like earlier versions of this bill that had
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: some even more restrictive provisions on Sunday voting, or maybe, uh,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: that floated the idea of getting rid of automatic voter registration.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Those were curtailed seemingly by some of this media outrage.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: So that that's, look, I'm looking for a silver line here.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: There isn't much, but that's good.
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: No, no.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, the question now is of course, what
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: to do about this law. Um, You know, we have
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: talked a million times about how the For the People
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Act would supersede most of these state laws. So we
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: need to fight for that. Someone should go ask Joe
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Manchin what he thinks about the fucking Georgia law that
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: just passed and Kyrsten Sinema, who is still sticking by
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: the filibuster. President Biden said the Justice Department is taking
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: a look at possible actions. Civil rights groups have already
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: filed a lawsuit arguing that the law places unconstitutional burdens
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: on the right to vote, particularly for black and Latino voters.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Other civil rights groups have called on major sports organizations
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: like Major League Baseball and the PGA to to move
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: the All-Star game and the Masters tournament out of the state.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Some have even called for boycotts of Georgia-based companies like
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Coca-Cola and Delta. Lovett, what do you think about this
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: pressure on the Georgia business community?
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: My view is if it's coming from Stacey Abrams, great.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: If it's coming from outside of the state, I'm not
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: for it. I think we should be guided by what
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: the local organizations are saying. And I know Stacey Abrams
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: has been reluctant to embrace a boycott just yet. I'm
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: not sure what the right thing to do is, but
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: we you know, we need to think about using all
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: the levers we have.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Tell me, what do you think? I sort of think
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: there's a subtle distinction between calling on businesses to speak
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: out against this law and sort of trying to pressure
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: them to do so and going so far as to
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: boycott Georgia-based businesses that could have broader repercussions than just
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: the CEOs of those companies.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, look, that's fair. I mean, look, this is
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: tough because you want to make sure you aren't hurting
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: the same people who might be impacted by this law.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: So for example, Major League Baseball, the Players Association floated
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: the idea of moving the All-Star game out of Atlanta
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: to somewhere else in response to this bill. I could
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: see how that would create a lot of pressure on
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: the state of Georgia to maybe walk back some of
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: these voter suppression policies. I could see how that would
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: hurt a lot of minority-owned businesses who might be relying
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: on people visiting the city and spending money around these events.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: So I don't know the sweet spot. I agree with
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Lovett that like, I want to follow the lead of
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: people in state and see what they want to do.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: I think at a minimum, the way we beat these
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: kinds of voter suppression laws long-term is continuing the organizing
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: that like Stacey Abrams and all these groups have been
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: doing for decades now.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, Stacey Abrams hasn't spoke specifically on this yet.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: She came out against sort of the boycott when there
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: was an abortion ban in Georgia, but the New Georgia Project,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: which is Stacey Abrams' organization, has asked people not to
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: boycott and tweeted that there are ways to fight back
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: that don't double down on harming Georgians, was their quote.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Civil rights activist Bernice King has also tweeted that it
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: would hurt middle class workers and people grappling with poverty.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: So I think the ways to fight this are going
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: to be in court. And of course, with trying to
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: pass H.R. 1 at the national level, those seem to
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: be the two big ways. And of course, calling on
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: businesses to say something. I think that's important, too. But
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: the boycott is not what a lot of activists in
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Georgia want.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: And so, so I'm still, I can have, not to
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: make it, I can have Diet Coke.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: That's why, yes, that is why it works.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: So people, so just, so busybodies tweeting at me to
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: not have Diet Coke. I just, I can have it, right?
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: We're all, so you can tweet at me not to,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: but it sounds like, I'm going to, I'm going to
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: go with, I'm going to, I know that you care
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: a lot about this issue because you're tweeting at me
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: that I have Diet Coke in my avatar, but I'm
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: going to go with Stacey Abrams who says I can
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: have the Diet Coke. I want to pressure Coca-Cola to
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: do the right thing.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe if you're going to drink it, maybe every time
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: you drink it, you should tweet something at Coca-Cola.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Happy to do it. But I'm going to ignore those tweets.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Just I'm going to ignore the tweets telling me to
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: stop having Diet Coke. That's just cool.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Okay. That is. We got to the heart of the issue.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: We got to the heart of the issue. We've had some,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: we've elevated some big crises today. Peter Doocy wasn't called
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: on John Lovett's Diet Coke. No, no, no.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: You're missing.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: There's no crisis because I can have it.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Oh boy.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Speaking of bad people, last week we debated where Ron
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Johnson ranks in the pantheon of worst Republicans, and we
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: promised to follow up with an actual contest. Tommy, I
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: know you've been doing some work on this in honor
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: of March Madness. What do you got?
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: Okay, John. Yes, you're right. Last week on the show,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: we promised you guys some bracketology. So the SEO trends
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: available to us are brackets and stuck ships. So just
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: be thankful that we chose this one. So here we go.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: The eight worst Republicans, we're calling it our March Badness Tournament.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Here's how this works. Okay, I have eight teams for
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: you to choose from, the awful eight. So I'm going
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: to read you two names out of each region, right?
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: So we have the West, the East, the South, and
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: the Midwest. That's how the NCAA tournament works.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: You guys, you two, you get to debate amongst yourselves,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: and you choose a winner of those two. Now, in
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: a couple of cases, because we're here to have fun,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you about who was defeated to
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: get into the awful eight, right?
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: We good?
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: We good?
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: Great.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Exciting.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: We're following your lead, whatever you say. So we're going
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: to start out in the West. We've got some heat
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: coming out of the top of this bracket. Stephen Miller
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: has the three seed. Now, Lovett branded him a C-plus
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Santa Monica fascist, but Stephen Miller, he played himself into
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: shape over the years. He found some creative ways to
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: be evil, and he ended up with the three seed. Okay. Now,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: we had a play-in game to get to the second
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: team in the West. Nixon superfan and Trump sycophant Hugh
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: Hewitt went up against a media killing nerd bent on
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: global domination named Mark Zuckerberg. Now, on paper, guys, on paper,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: this sounds exciting, but no, not in practice. Zuckerberg is
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: a billionaire. Hugh's loyalty can be bought. So Zuckerberg is
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: the second awful Republican in the West with the 17th.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: So now you guys get to choose. Stephen Miller wins.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: versus Mark Zuckerberg. Steven Miller. Wow.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: That's an interesting, it's interesting.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: That's so tough.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: It's interesting, right?
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Good game.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Because it's a really, it's a question about flash and
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: sizzle versus fundamentals.
• 37:59
  Speaker 13: Yes.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Steven Miller is the Zion Williamson. He's a raw talent.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: They both went to Duke. He's a pure scorer, but.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Like Zuck is awful. You just don't really know why.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg has done more damage worldwide because Donald Trump
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: would still have been awful and terrible and inhumane and
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: racist and xenophobic without Stephen Miller. And Stephen Miller, as
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: I've always said, not just a racist, a terrible speechwriter.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: And so I agree with that.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: I just think Stephen Miller isn't that effective at being
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: that evil. He's just not even that effective. Mark Zuckerberg,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: he's bad.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a, you know, Stephen Miller is a cute guy.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: is an acute harm. Mark Zuckerberg is a society-wrenching global
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: negative influence that affects us all in every single day
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: in small ways and large ways.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I agree.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I think Zuckerberg wins.
• 38:50
  Speaker 13: All right.
• 38:51
  Speaker 12: Zuck.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Okay. Guys, we're going to the East now. Looming large
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: in the East is the reigning champion, Donald Trump with
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: a one seat. You know him. There's not a lot
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: I have to say here, though I do have some
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: very sad news. which is the Duke of the bracket.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Not this year. They suck. Donald Trump Jr. broke COVID
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: protocols and he got disqualified from entering this tournament. He's
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: our VCU of this year. Yeah, I know.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: It's heartbreaking. So the second spot in the East was
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: also a play in game, guys.
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: We had Politico playbook against Tucker Carlson.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Now listen, I'll be the first to admit that Politico playbook,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: they got off to a hot start this year.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: They're cutting and pasting Stephen Miller quotes. They're both sides
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: in democracy.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: But Tucker puts in the work night after night.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: He's a grinder. So he's in the four seats. So
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: your choice out of the East, Donald Trump, admittedly having
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: a down year. He lost his platform. He got out
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: hustled by Democrats against Tucker, the grinder. dominates the offensive glass.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Who do you choose?
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: to go with an upset here. I'm going to say
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson. I'm looking to the future. I'm looking to
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: the future.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I know it's a, it's look, Tucker, Tucker has it's Tucker. It's,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: it's a young, it's a young squad. Um, but, but
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: has heart and you know, Trump is tired.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: He has a lot of experience in the arena to
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: do harm, but Tucker has watched that team play for
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: a long time and he's bringing a lot of what
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Trump used to do with a kind of a youthful
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: vigor and vim that can't be beat, I agree.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: I also would just love to get it out in
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: the ether that Donald Trump is now nervous about a
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: challenge from Tucker Carlson taking it. I just, I like
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: to see that fight in public too.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe in playbook actually.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Speaking of worse.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: That's a really good idea. Okay.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: So the South is the blue blood bracket. These are
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: just old school shithead Republicans. So with the number five seat,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: we've got a man with no principles, no dignity, the
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: sad sack Senator from Cancun, Ted Cruz, as noted earlier,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: last seen lurking near the Rio Grande, like some sort
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: of swamp creature.
• 41:06
  Speaker 12: Okay.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: So the second team, again, we had a play-in game
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: to get here. We had Marjorie Taylor Greene out of Georgia. Now,
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Marjorie has been playing out of her mind recently. Some
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: might say literally. She promotes QAnon. She promotes insurrectionists, the
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: 9-11 truther movement. Unfortunately for her, she went up against
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: the blue blood named George W.
• 41:25
  Speaker 10: Bush.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: And guys, watching loose change a couple times doesn't help
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: you against the guy who did 9-11. So that's the challenge.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: I'm obviously kidding.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: He did 9-11. Yeah, he did do 9-11.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: He was there for it. It's weird if you think
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: about it. We're joking here. George invaded Iraq, clear winner
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: number two. So now you choose the South. Ted Cruz,
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: who beat Jimmy Kimmel one-on-one in basketball, which isn't relevant
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: but seems like it, against George W. Bush, who has
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: the pedigree, the storied history, though he was a legacy admission.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Look, this is easy for me, and I know this
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: might sound hypocritical because during the Zuckerberg versus Miller match,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: we said Zuckerberg because he had a greater global impact
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: than Miller. George W. Bush clearly had a greater global
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: impact than Ted Cruz because of the Iraq War, but
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Ted Cruz is a fucking asshole. It's got to be
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Ted Cruz. It has to be Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz sucks.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he does suck.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: He does.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Look, I don't want to disagree with you. I do
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: think he sucks. But it's interesting because George W.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Bush- And he's still a threat.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: I would say he's still a threat too. George W.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Bush is not doing anything to anyone anymore. That is true.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: That is true.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Though the damage done by George W. Bush- continues and
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: we continue to pay a price for it. The damage,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: ongoing destruction of our economy, of our political institutions, of
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: our environment, of the Middle East, like those continue. And
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: George W. Bush- Trump represented the genteel version of Trumpism,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: of Republicanism that did a lot of damage. I disagree.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I just disagree. Ultimately, Ted Cruz is a leader who
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: follows people around and then gets there and tries to
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: run in front and tell them how excited he was
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: to lead them there. So I'm going to say George W.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Bush, personally. That's how I feel. That's how I feel today.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Ted Cruz left 100 people to die of hypothermia in
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Texas while he went to Cancun just a few weeks ago.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Ted Cruz would have to do that a thousand times.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: to start competing with the fucking body count of George W.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Bush. Well, what we're learning here, guys, what we're learning
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: here is that I should have thought up a mechanism
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: to handle a tie.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: You decide, Tommy.
• 43:44
  Speaker 9: You break it.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: You break it. You break it. Listen, if we go
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Ted Cruz, it's been all upsets.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: George W.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Bush would be my vote. But listen, this is not
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: about me. This is about the listeners.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: So let's go to the Midwest, which is just, this
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: is just a brawl.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Okay, so we have our eighth seed here. He plays
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: an up-tempo game. He pushes Russian propaganda. He pushes anti-vaxxer
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: conspiracy theories. He thinks Greenland was once green. Wisconsin Senator
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Ron Johnson, he's in there with the eighth seed. He's
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: also hydroxychloroquine's last best hope. So the play in game
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: for the next spot was controversial. Again, guys, it was
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: all Kentucky. We had Senator Mitch McConnell, the Prince of Darkness,
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: earned himself the nickname Cocaine Mitch. So he is subjected
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: to extra drug screening before these games against Abe Lincoln. Now,
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: I know this. Hear me out. This is controversial. Hear
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: me out. Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus in 1861.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: The 2021 GOP loves that. But Lincoln is famously a
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: pro-Eugen guy. The modern GOP, they want to secede. So
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Mitch took this one.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Tommy on the San Francisco Board of Supervisors deciding school names?
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: There were a lot of Republican votes that got Lincoln in.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: I knew, I told you it was controversial. This wasn't
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: me that did this. It was the voters. So again,
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: who do you choose, guys? You got Mitch McConnell. He's
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: a bit like Syracuse. He builds an impenetrable zone around
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: the Senate to stop everything. Ron Johnson is basically playing
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: a different game out there. He often seems to dunk
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: on himself. Ron Johnson versus Mitch McConnell.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Mitch McConnell, easy. I mean, Mitch McConnell may be one
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: of the most destructive forces in politics of the last
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: several decades.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just think, you know, Ron Johnson
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: is a baby with a hand grenade. I'm not saying
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not scared, but I don't really know how to
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: finish that. I just think of him as just a
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: picture of a baby with a hand grenade, sort of
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: an image, you know?
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you got that far. That was pretty good.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: I like that. Okay, so, I mean, that does it.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Our fascist four is Zuck, Tucker, Bush or Cruz versus McConnell.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Maybe the listeners can tie break for us. We'll do
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: like a Twitter poll for Bush Cruz. I love that.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: I love that for us.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that too. I think that's great. That's great.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: This is going to be, this is an interesting tourney.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: This is, I'm excited. So Dan and I can talk
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: more about the final four on, I'm sorry, the fascist four.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: The fascist four, thank you.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: The fascist four on Thursday. We'll dig in. Dan's going
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: to be very happy that Mitch McConnell made it. I
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: know that.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Thank you for getting the branding right. Dan might actually
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: understand some of the basketball-related puns in here, so that'll
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: be good too.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: A play-in game.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: A lot of playing games in this tournament.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. I know. It made it fun. But
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: that's what I got. Fuck no.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Gonzaga.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Gonzaga's very good.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Some of the words I only hear around this time
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: of year.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Here we go. Here we go. Well, that's our show
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: for today. Look, we'll be asking you guys to participate
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: in March Badness on the internet. So look out for that.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: And we will see you on Thursday where Dan will
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: be back. Bye, guys.
• 46:46
  Speaker 13: Bye.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: Bye.
• 46:49
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