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Oh Hokie Boy · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  Welcome back to the Boundary Corner Podcast, a part of the
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  College held network. Along with my partners Brian
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  Siegler, Jonathan Talley and Shelton Moss, I am Curtis
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  Wilson. This episode is brought to you
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  by Doctor Jeremy Counts down at the Counts Family Pharmacy, your
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  friendly neighborhood pharmacy located at Three O 1 S Main St.
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  in Blacksburg. We are also brought to you by
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  Moments on the Maury. Do you need to get away from
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  your football team for a weekend?
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  Then Moments on the Maury, located just outside Lexington,
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  VA may be the place for you. Owned by a proud, but by a text
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  I got from him this weekend. Very frustrated hokey.
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  Very frustrated hokey. If you were looking to go sit by
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  the river Primordial scream while burning a nice campfire,
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  maybe doing some fishing, maybe getting a kayak just to wander
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  off about life and about this team right now, this might be
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  the place to go for a weekend. And in case you need to watch
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  the game because something hits you inside, that's how I just
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  gotta watch it. Yes, you can live stream there
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  at this place. Moments on the Mori.
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  Check it out. We always put the link in the
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  chat. I'm putting up something for
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  things to read here. Yep, there's always time.
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  We'll put the link in the chat for it.
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  Also visit Moments on the Mori in their Instagram page.
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  Speaking of links in the chat, we got the the link in the chat
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  for the family out there, the listeners out there to come and
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  join us tonight. This is this is a therapy
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  session. This is an Irish wake.
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  We're. We're still telling the truth,
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  though. We're, we're saying goodbye,
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  man. Curtis, you got the you got the
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  Hulk in the background ready to Hulk out here.
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  I'm throwing a link there in the chat and if you guys see it in
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  there, the stream yard link. That's the way you can jump on
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  here with us if you want to get a little something off your
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  chest here as well in the process.
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  So looking forward to hearing from everybody.
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  Maybe not new King, new king. This is family only tonight, but
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  I appreciate you in the chat. There, let new King come in and
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  shit, he'll be doing better than our coach.
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  He at least knows what winning the hills.
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  We might need to listen to him. Hell.
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  Hey man, he might have something to to impart upon us and we
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  certainly. Are.
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  Well, listen, so if y'all see it, go ahead.
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  Hold on, Charlie. Real quick, this is the link you
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  click in the chat to come basically air your grievances.
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  You ain't getting the full hour, you ain't getting two hours.
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  We're going to give you a few minutes, Yeah.
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  This is space rules. This is not you got the mic for
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  as long as you want the mic. This is, you know, come on,
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  let's say a little thing. We'll maybe do a little back and
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  forth and we'll get the next one up there, but we just wanted to
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  hear from everybody. I think, you know, when we
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  looked at the Fuente area, I think a lot of people pointed to
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  that Liberty game is kind of the breaking point.
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  I know it was for Curtis and I and I think, you know, for a lot
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  of fan bases and a lot, especially everybody on this
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  podcast, I think this Vanderbilt lost and the way it went down
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  was kind of a breaking point for us.
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  So here we. Are well, hold on, we voted.
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  We voted after this game Saturday, all four of us.
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  We I sent a message and I said, y'all, and I'm the optimistic
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  one usually of this crew. I am a very optimistic person,
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  life in general. And I was like, I'm out, I'm
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  out. I can't do it anymore.
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  So I'm out right now. I'm still going to watch the
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  game. I and I said here and I told
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  somebody earlier, I hope I'm fucking wrong.
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  I hope I'm absolutely wrong and it's 10 and two in East Ember
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  and I am eating crow. That's what I hope.
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  There is no hope, Curtis. But I don't feel it anymore.
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  I don't feel the hope is gone again.
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  I hope that happens, but it's gone.
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  Yeah, it's no hope. You you can hope it.
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  I'm glad that you've you are that kind of person because
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  sometimes that's what we need. But what we also need is to be
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  truthful with ourselves. And that's what I love about
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  what we do. And again, what Curtis was
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  saying, we love y'all, we are family.
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  We're glad that y'all TuneIn and spend some time with us.
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  I ran a space after the game till probably about 2:33 in the
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  morning, just getting some stuff out, letting people vent.
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  It's great, man. I love Hokey Nation.
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  I love my guys, but this is not what you want to see.
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  This is what what we've been saying is not we want to say I
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  know we're going to get into it, but just going over some of the
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  rules, not really. I want to call them rules.
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  That sounds bad, but just what we, what we want to do here.
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  If you got something, we want you to come in.
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  We do want to hear from you. Please use the link.
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  Hop on. Tell us how you feel and where
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  you're at right now. You ain't got 10 minutes.
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  You ain't got five. You got about 3 minutes.
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  Come on, tell us how you feel, drop your point and then we got
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  to go to the next person. So unless you unless you know
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  some stuff that we don't know if is he getting fired?
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  If you come over here and say he's getting fired, we're going
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  to let you talk all night because we ready to hear that.
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  But anyway, Sheldon, you've been quiet, man.
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  Are you here with me today? No, I'm just I'm, I'm prepping
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  my laundry list of attack points that I can, I can cure this
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  coaching staff with. When you hear laundry list,
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  attack points and skewer coming from Shelton, you better get
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  ready. You got to be in for a long
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  night, buddy. I try to tell you all how
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  however bad you think the prior has been, it's actually worse
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  than you think so. It's just eye opening, man.
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  It was eye opening. It's because most of the time
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  you've seen a team that hasn't really quit on a coach or hasn't
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  quit playing in a lot of games. We like, Oh, we almost there.
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  We keep losing these close games.
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  No, we to the point now where we getting we getting ran off the
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  field. You know, it's just and it was a
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  little bit last it was a little bit the first week where it was
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  a close game going into the 4th and then we couldn't manufacture
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  nothing. And then they just end up
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  beating us by two scores. Then last week, you know you
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  had. 10 point lead. You're a 10 point lead going
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  into halftime lead and then it just snowballs until a joke.
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  You know, I put a tweet out earlier and I'll talk about it a
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  little later. I don't want to get into
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  everything now, but again, people think that I'm bashing
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  tradition and I'm bashing the interest and I'm not.
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  But if you look at it, it is a joke.
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  It's a gimmick. You know what I'm saying?
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  It's like I don't even know what the what to compare it to.
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  I like to go through metaphors. There's nothing to compare it to
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  you. Everybody said we can't get rid
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  of that. We can't we have we What are we
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  needed for it? Use it for motivation.
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  I don't know how you do it or what you do, but I'm tired of
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  every weekend y'all telling me how great the entrance is and
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  then we get killed on the field and other teams are using us as
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  a joke. Their their PR teams are always
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  exit sent, man them or exit, you know, in a I'm tired of all of
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  that. When you ask for the joke is
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  what? It is.
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  Come on man, we. Got our first person first
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  person jump on is. I think I'm I'm friend, right?
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  Hey, good evening. Can y'all hear me first go?
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  Round here. We got to be there.
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  I'm clear, Vito. Yeah, don't the visual, don't
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  worry about the visual. I'm in bed and Xbox that's.
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  That's OK. I'm in bed playing Xbox.
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  I'm, I mean, listen, I'm hot. Ain't gonna hold.
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  I'm hot. What I can talk about.
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  I can talk or you can say. You have the floor for the next
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  couple minutes, man, it's all this.
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  Is this is the hold up before you start veto?
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  Like I said, I didn't get all into it, but this is the
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  realistic is it's going to get you ain't got to hold nothing
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  back. Say what you got to.
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  Say OK we ain't got to play no politic games on here.
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  I know y'all got relationships. You say what you got.
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  To say. I like Brent, pride of person.
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  I think we all do right. We all like Brent pride of
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  person. I don't like being proud of
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  coach man. It's it's it's it's year 4 and I
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  can appreciate what he's done as far as having to fix what
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  dickhead left him. You know, I can I understand
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  that. I'm not here to act like he did
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  nothing, but it's at a point now where it's time for we we need a
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  complete. We need a complete change from
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  the top down. We got listen with Babcock and
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  you're going to have your day in the sun.
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  Excuse me, you're going to have your day in the sun too with
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  Babcock. But we talking ball right now.
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  We need somebody away from the family because even when they
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  did it with Fuente, they tried to saddle him down with Beamer
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  stuff like now we need a complete.
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  We need to detach from all of it.
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  We need a whole new vision for Virginia Tech football.
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  Shout out to Brent Price. He's a great guy.
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  Probably all this shit, you know, all that shit.
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  They said he had a big Dick and all that weird shit, all, you
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  know, whatever. But we need somebody that's got
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  a vision for Virginia Tech football that's going to take us
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  into the future. No more Frank disciples.
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  No more Bud Foster disciples. Nothing like that.
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  The only person affiliated with Virginia Tech that realistically
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  could get this head coaching job within three years.
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  We'll beat Michael Vick, but we don't know if he's ready to run
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  a program to recruit and all that shit.
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  Shout out to him. You know he's from the city.
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  We're from the same city. But I think we need to go into a
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  different direction and not saddle the next AD or coach with
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  the you need to be like Frank because Frank was a one of one.
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  Ain't going to be no more Frank Beamers.
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  That's my thing. That's real, man.
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  That's that's that's like I was just telling the guys to kind of
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  put a tweet out similar to that earlier, just about it got some
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  Flack from it. But what what Vito said is I, I
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  feel it so great. Great stuff.
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  Vito, I'll say just real quick, because I know you, you're doing
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  your thing. Did you?
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  Because I, I, I talked to you. So I know how you feel, but I
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  want you to kind of tell him a little bit about did you feel
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  that the end was was there at the beginning of the season or
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  was it just this game that you was like, I'm broke, That's it?
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  In in my in my honest opinion, we knew let me not speak other
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  people. I knew he was going to lose in
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  South Carolina. And the only question I kept
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  asking myself and others was was the performance in South
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  Carolina bullshit or was that did we really kind of turn the
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  corner defensively? Because I'm the Virginia Tech
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  fan that get on people nerves because I'm the person that's
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  always that's not like just kill everybody that leads the program
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  for good or bad reasons. So I'm the one saying, hey, I
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  don't got to say nobody's names and all that, but hey, what do
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  these players actually suck or were they good that that we just
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  saying that we better off now? You know, I hate to piss on
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  people's parade, but I'm like, we kind of lost some good
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  players and I was just told that we was better off.
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  So I don't argue with people. I just asked the questions
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  before the games are played because people normally feel
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  their best before the season. So I'm like, Hey, y'all show
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  these guys good and I watched the South Carolina game and I'm
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  seeing a *** named Tackle Fall. I know his name is Tackle, but
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  they they tag Tackle Falls. So I'm seeing Tackle Fall get a
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  TfL. I'm seeing, you know, shout out
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  the Emmett Laws. Emmett Laws had that game in his
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  life. I'm like, y'all sure this is the
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  real team, but maybe we would just gas up in South Carolina.
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  We're playing in Atlanta. If you're going to get Shane, is
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  this the MPA? You know, they're like, no, it's
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  the real defensive line we keep as hell.
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  And then the very next week, not even six days later, Vanderbilt
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  is running through big assholes. So it's looking like I predicted
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  6 and six. We're we're headed towards 6:00
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  and 6:00. But it's just I get tired of the
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  propaganda, the last the spending the coke, the bullshit.
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  It it makes me disillusioned as a Virginia Tech fan because I
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  know what the hell I'm looking at.
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  But I keep getting told it's raining and I pissed.
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  That's all. That's all I got to say before I
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  start saying shit. The fuck y'all relationship
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  stuff? Oh.
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  You good, they already there so. Yeah, we're getting there, man.
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  You ain't got to worry about that bro.
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  I mean appreciate. You at this point we kind of
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  figured you know, we we we see the way the wind's blowing man
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  let's let's send this off the right way.
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  Let's let's get the fans out there.
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  Let's let's let them talk a little bit.
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  We appreciate you, Vito and always.
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  Thank you. Jump on with us and let before I
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  leave, let me just say Boundary Corner podcast has always been
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  the best Virginia Tech podcast. And that's no shade that nobody
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  else. Y'all just better than everybody
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  else. Y'all was better than me when I
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  was doing this shit and I've been doing this shit for a long
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  time. So shout out to BCP.
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  Y'all always do the work. Y'all always do the research
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  before games and I always enjoy listening to y'all interview
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  people or do content because doing content is hard.
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  Like people don't understand how much they give me a job.
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  Especially if he ain't making a whole bunch of money doing this
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  shit. So shout out to y'all man.
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  Everybody shout out to all y'all.
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  Appreciate your e-mail. Appreciate your vivo.
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  Thanks for coming on. With us, man, my guy, people
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  don't know man. Vito is a he's another be a new
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  game OG of of. Doing this shit.
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  He knows his stuff, whether you listen to him or not or you
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  haven't listened to him, you you should check out some of his
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  stuff. Vito actually was the first
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  person that I got on that I got on a podcast with.
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  I don't even think it came out because me and him ended up just
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  talking for like 3 hours. But anyway, Vito, thank you for
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  coming on man. Who we got next, Brian?
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  John Earle, Boys. John Earle.
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  John Earl. No picture for John Earl either.
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  Hey, what's on? There he.
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  Is where's the Miller? Where's the Miller?
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  Right here in the Way tonight, boys.
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  Dude I have an alumni event tonight.
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  I literally just got back so I'm here all.
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  Right, so go. What are you feeling, man?
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  I mean, you've been around this program for a long, long time
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  with your parents taking you up. You were at the game Saturday.
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  I know you. You told us you were heading up.
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  You're supposed to have a Are you going back this weekend?
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  Yeah, he's going. Oh, he's.
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  Yeah, I'm going up this weekend with one of my neighbors who's
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  never been to a Virginia Tech game ever.
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  And I literally texted him after the game, after I got back to my
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  hotel in Christiansburg, I said I've never felt so disappointed
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  in the second-half in a long ass time.
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  And he's like, wow, 34 points in the second-half.
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  I was like, you haven't experienced pretty tech football
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  the way I have. But yeah.
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  And I literally so my parents have club seats and as soon as
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  we did not go for it on 4th down one on the very first possession
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  in the second-half that. Was a person.
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  Ever. No.
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  I agree. I agree.
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  No. Everybody in the East dance
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  around me said we're losing this game.
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  Yeah, kid you not. That's not and and the thing
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  about that too, John, I'm glad that you are talking about that
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  'cause you was there. I'm watching it on TV for people
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  who in for, you know, chat. I know y'all was watching or
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  probably some of y'all was there.
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  That's not anybody being a hater.
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  That's what you built as a coach.
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  That's the reputation that you have.
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  Whenever that happened, everybody said, OK, this game is
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  going to go just like the other fucking how many games you've
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  been here? 35 games, 40 games somewhere
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  around now. So I think he's 16 and 23
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  somewhere around there. So yeah, that's right around 40
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  games. So it's like this is what you
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  built, this is what you are. This is what we know.
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  But we've seen the team have fight, but at that point it
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  looked like they're on their sideline going crazy.
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  They coaches are yelling at the refs, which they should have
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  been wanting to win, throwing headsets, running on the field,
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  and our coach is over there clapping his hands, scratching
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  his balls. Come on man.
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  The the notepad at this point is getting the the the notepad is
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  killing me man. I'm I'm like.
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  Quit it, there ain't shit else to write down.
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  At some point get, get, get a, get an intern to do that for you
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  and you, you be engaged in the game, you be active.
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  You got to get active during these games.
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  John I did. John, I'll just go ahead.
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  Curtis, get it back to me. Earl real real quick, like us 4
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  wearing some chats with you. Are you out?
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  Are you? Are you out?
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  I'm definitely out on prime at this point as is like my whole
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  family pretty much. OK, I'm out.
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  I'm out on with as well, but I feel like that's been known for
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  a while. But yeah, but about.
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  Sayings We taking it all the way up to the top.
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  We going sands all the way down. You you might, you might as
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  well. But I will say I I dug in a
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  little. Deeper there today because I'm a
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  fucking nerd. I will say I will say the
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  interesting fact that I found is hub prize home games.
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  He's only had three games that weren't sold out.
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  Damn, and I was sort of 20. Two in 2022 Georgia Tech and
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  Wofford and then 2023 Syracuse, and that street will probably.
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  End. This weekend.
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  Yeah. It's not this weekend, it's
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  definitely in Wofford. All right.
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  Well, Earl, appreciate you jumping on with us, man.
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  Always fun to talk with you. We're going to let somebody else
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  up in here because the next person we're going to let up.
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  Well, he pay the bills, so he got to get his FaceTime talking,
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  man. Appreciate it, Earl.
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  Hey, hey, what up? What is going on, man?
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  What up by the way? Burn it all down, I.
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  Always write something. Hang on, I'm drawing up a play
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  here and I'm going to figure it all out.
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  But I mean, we live. I've been going to tech games
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  since I was in the womb. It's probably going to be
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  backwards and it's in pencil. I don't know if y'all can see
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  that, but it says we deserve better.
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  Like, just like the guy who was just on like so many sellouts
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  with so much mediocrity and like Chris Coleman, that Tech
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  sideline and those guys have finally been telling the truth
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  about what the fuck has been going on and how bad it is.
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  And it's so bad. Like, we're this little podunk
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  little school in little old Virginia Tech.
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  And it's hard to believe that what was it 20 years ago, 24
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  years ago, we had the highest paid coaching staff in the
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  country, your second highest paid.
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  We couldn't figure out that's what it took.
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  I'm still wearing my damn hokey shirt.
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  I told Curtis fucking I'm done with it.
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  But I'm a basketball fan, so this is a basketball shirt.
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  This is not a football shirt. Neo, neo, Neo.
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  I'm going to the Bahamas. Don't tell my kids they don't
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  know yet, but we're going to. My ass going to be on TV and I'm
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  going to be repping the boundary corner logo, I hope.
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  But I'm just tired of it all. Do not worry Phil.
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  Phil is going to do a live remote call in from Atlantis in
• 22:31
  November. There you go, Let him get up.
• 22:34
  Here 1885 like, come on, man. Like I'm just like Frankie
• 22:39
  Allen. He was terrible coach too.
• 22:40
  Not as bad as coach print pride. And I'm tired of hearing he's a
• 22:43
  nice guy. I don't care.
• 22:44
  He's paid four and a half million dollars.
• 22:46
  Be an asshole. Step up.
• 22:48
  Why are we not yelling at people?
• 22:50
  Why are we not yelling at? People, I get that.
• 22:52
  I don't. Everybody says it.
• 22:53
  He's like I'm getting my paid no matter what.
• 22:56
  I don't that's what it feels like.
• 22:58
  I don't get it. It's just when people like feel
• 23:00
  when people when I'm when I'm doing a space indeed.
• 23:03
  And I get some people say well y'all have to understand and I
• 23:05
  said I don't have to understand. He's a millionaire to be a
• 23:09
  loser. Multi millionaire multi
• 23:12
  millionaire living in Blacksburg, VA making four and a
• 23:15
  half, $1,000,000 to not coach and to go to PKS and drink.
• 23:21
  But he loves the almond brothers, so it's cool, man.
• 23:23
  Let's go, let's go. It's.
• 23:26
  Cool almond brothers. Fuck Almond Joy.
• 23:27
  I got almond. The whole thing, but like
• 23:30
  honestly, the bigger issue like look and the more I think about
• 23:33
  it, I would love that Fuente back and his coaching ability
• 23:36
  with the resources that Brent Pryor had would have been nice
• 23:39
  like Fuente with the talent last year.
• 23:41
  Come on man, that wouldn't even been fair in my opinion.
• 23:44
  And. Fuente was a piece of shit
• 23:45
  though. He he just, he was going to run
• 23:47
  people off because of how he was as a person.
• 23:49
  He could maybe, but he just not go to schools in Virginia and
• 23:53
  say we just gonna go to Texas and that shit don't work.
• 23:56
  So I get where you coming from, Phil, but it's like it's
• 23:59
  coaching. The building was pretty.
• 24:00
  Good, where? How screwed we are Tally that.
• 24:03
  I think Fuente is the answer now, but.
• 24:05
  What the issue is, is this had two chances to hire a coach and
• 24:08
  he's hired one total coach between two of them.
• 24:12
  He hired a guy that could coach but couldn't do everything else,
• 24:14
  and he had a guy hired a guy that could do everything else.
• 24:17
  But he can't coach he. Forgets everything that we're
• 24:19
  talking about for a minute and then I'm going to let y'all
• 24:21
  throw it back to field for a second.
• 24:22
  Come and chat. I need y'all to understand the
• 24:25
  severity it is. Phil is so fucked up that he
• 24:29
  said send me back to the oppressor.
• 24:31
  Give me point, give me, give me. Give me, Give me water bottle.
• 24:35
  Give me the water bottle. That's how fucked up he is.
• 24:39
  That. Speaks volumes.
• 24:40
  It's so frustrating, I don't know, but maybe it's my fault
• 24:44
  for having high expectations and.
• 24:46
  No. No, but like 3 sellouts like
• 24:48
  with it's there. I'm tired of all the excuses but
• 24:50
  we need to start from the top like it's been a mess for a long
• 24:53
  time or two. Parochial, we have been this all
• 24:55
  shucks attitude. We'll figure it out.
• 24:57
  Like the fundraising has never been there.
• 25:00
  We don't even have a head of fundraising in the right place.
• 25:02
  Like I don't I don't know, look, I don't have the answers, but
• 25:04
  I'm also if you pay me $4 million, I'd pay somebody to get
• 25:07
  the damn answers. I can tell you that like like I
• 25:10
  don't I'd pay somebody a hell of a lot smarter than me.
• 25:12
  I wouldn't do anything. I'd be up there with a remote
• 25:14
  control. Like look, I'm doing everything,
• 25:16
  but I'm not doing shit. Like that's what it looks like
• 25:18
  he's doing. Like they said at one point
• 25:20
  somebody he was trying to call a time out in the game and
• 25:22
  somebody was pulling him back saying don't call a time out,
• 25:24
  dummy. We got plenty of time to call
• 25:26
  the time out that Chris was like pulling him back at the end of
• 25:29
  the half. He's just AI don't know.
• 25:31
  I don't understand. Like I've had enough beers to
• 25:33
  call a better game than he has in the second-half.
• 25:35
  I don't get it. I don't it doesn't.
• 25:36
  So, but y'all keep doing what you're doing.
• 25:38
  I'm not I I quit hokey football, but I'm still going to watch
• 25:42
  because I don't have any hobbies and two and like I love y'all
• 25:46
  like keep doing what you're doing.
• 25:48
  Keep talking about it because eventually somebody will see it
• 25:50
  and they'll be like, damn, this is where we need to be.
• 25:52
  So damn Bill, basketball season is coming.
• 25:57
  Neo is coming basketball. Hey.
• 26:01
  But listen, I told you as a sponsor of this show, you get
• 26:04
  first class treatment on in in December when we do it and
• 26:08
  that's like we get drunk and let shit go.
• 26:10
  We don't give a fuck bad things that happened that night.
• 26:13
  I mean, this is basically that, just without all the alcohol
• 26:15
  without. All the alcohol.
• 26:17
  Speak for yourself on that. I don't know what.
• 26:19
  You're talking about I'm, I'm riding the Voodoo Ranger.
• 26:22
  With a little bit, but you know I ain't 10D.
• 26:24
  I just, I don't know, Hoku fans deserve better and I, and we
• 26:28
  literally do when we're, I would say this ODU, it feels like
• 26:31
  every game is like this is the biggest game ever.
• 26:33
  We're going to see what the stands look like at 7:00
• 26:35
  Saturday night. Yeah, we're going to see what
• 26:37
  that looks like. And I hope people still going to
• 26:40
  be there, man. What else?
• 26:41
  Why not I? I hope they.
• 26:43
  I don't think they're going to sell out, but I think people
• 26:45
  still going to be there because people love Virginia Tech, man,
• 26:47
  They're going to show up. Paper bag game Will everybody
• 26:49
  wear paper bag? Please, I hope, I hope some
• 26:52
  people do something. I just hope it's some kind of
• 26:54
  peaceful protest. Do something.
• 26:56
  Peaceful protest. Yeah, I don't know.
• 26:59
  It'll be good. Hey, women's soccer, man, let's
• 27:01
  go. It's going to be great.
• 27:04
  Let's go. Women's soccer and men's soccer.
• 27:06
  Let's go. That's what we got.
• 27:07
  So. Keep it up.
• 27:09
  Thanks for jumping on man later. We deserve better.
• 27:12
  See y'all, we deserve better. We deserve better.
• 27:14
  By the way, that is one of our sponsors from moments on the
• 27:18
  Moray. I've known Phil close to I guess
• 27:21
  20 years now, because when I started dating my wife, my wife
• 27:24
  and his wife basically grew up together.
• 27:27
  And by the way, Phil, Phil, Phil's the guy.
• 27:30
  Let me get on Lot 1 one time. Just so y'all know, he's the man
• 27:34
  to brought Curtis to lot 1. So one question about field and
• 27:37
  moments on the boy. How many rooms is?
• 27:39
  How many rooms is that place got?
• 27:41
  So that place, if everybody wants to know it is a four
• 27:44
  bedroom place. It's three full bedrooms with a
• 27:48
  like bunk room for kids plus pull out sofas.
• 27:51
  I mean you can look at the the link in there man.
• 27:54
  You guys walk up deck. It is, it's, it's, it's awesome.
• 27:58
  It's awesome. It was so much fun going there
• 28:00
  this summer with our families, you know, pound me and him
• 28:03
  pounding beers, talking about this upcoming season.
• 28:05
  So again, check it out. You're supporting the Hokie when
• 28:08
  you do that. And obviously he ain't fucking
• 28:12
  happy either. He texted me that shit multiple
• 28:14
  times over the weekend that he was done with baseball.
• 28:17
  Joe, get your ass off mute. Joe, we're going to kick your
• 28:22
  ass out if you don't get off mute.
• 28:24
  He probably ran to the bathroom where she I was about to throw
• 28:26
  at the shelf. Joe.
• 28:29
  Joe. If you're speaking, we cannot
• 28:35
  hear you. Yeah, if you're saying I cannot
• 28:37
  hear you, by the way, here you go. 3 big bedrooms and a bunk
• 28:42
  bed you can get. You can get air mattresses on
• 28:45
  the floors of those bedrooms. Yeah.
• 28:49
  Get this, Andretti. Click the link.
• 28:51
  Get in the link, Brian. Put it in there.
• 28:53
  We'll go, we'll go another one here.
• 28:56
  Andretti, you hearing us, man? Click on and get with us.
• 29:00
  Joe, We're going to give you like I'm going to give you 30
• 29:02
  seconds. We can put you back in the
• 29:03
  waiting room. Yeah, like Chris said, he said.
• 29:06
  Joe taking care of that baby it. Probably is, yeah, you're.
• 29:10
  Right. Hey listen, the reason I was so
• 29:12
  damn late coming tonight was because wife went to the girls
• 29:16
  night and I had to make sure the kids were asleep before I ran in
• 29:18
  here. Right.
• 29:19
  I never. Asleep.
• 29:20
  Now, we hadn't heard much from the statistician, Shelton.
• 29:23
  Yeah. So you got anything that you
• 29:25
  want to throw in? I know you got a lot, but do you
• 29:27
  got anything you just want to throw in right now?
• 29:30
  I mean, no, I'm, I'm kind of sitting on my, my spiel right
• 29:35
  now, but yeah, it's I, I, I don't even know how it's like
• 29:39
  physically possible to play that bad in a single half.
• 29:42
  Like getting out yarded by like 300.
• 29:44
  I, I don't think I've ever seen it before in my life.
• 29:46
  Like we didn't have a single good play in the entire half
• 29:48
  that actually meant anything. And I thought like we barely had
• 29:51
  a, we, we didn't have a single good defensive Dr. at all.
• 29:53
  Like it's just shocking. We we barely played like one
• 29:57
  good defensive snap and I didn't see any good offensive snaps
• 30:01
  that whole second-half. It it was, it was atrocious.
• 30:05
  It was one of the worst halves of football I've ever watched in
• 30:09
  any sport. And I've watched like Guyadette
• 30:13
  play a playoff caliber Randolph Bacon squad and and get
• 30:19
  hammered. And this was not even that I've
• 30:22
  I've watched when you know, when Thomas Jefferson was an awful
• 30:25
  Richmond football program, play some of the best of the best in
• 30:30
  Highland Springs and some of the others in the area and get you
• 30:33
  just Molly walk back in the, you know, 2000s and early twenty
• 30:37
  10's. And this for for the half that
• 30:39
  we watched, that was the worst I've seen in terms of lopsided
• 30:43
  performances. That was it.
• 30:44
  It was depressing. That was it.
• 30:46
  There was effectively with no fight, no thought, no game plan.
• 30:50
  What you said, Talia. There was no fire on the
• 30:52
  sidelines ripping people and screaming at people.
• 30:55
  It was there was a look somebody caught, I think, and it
• 30:58
  literally said it was late 3rd or early fourth quarter.
• 31:00
  That picture were probably just sitting there just like glancing
• 31:03
  like, what? What the Hell's happening?
• 31:04
  And it's like you're getting paid.
• 31:06
  As Phil said, you were getting paid four and a half, $1,000,000
• 31:08
  to coach football. So yeah, hey, listen, I love all
• 31:13
  the comments in the chat, don't get me wrong, but this is about
• 31:17
  y'all, the things y'all were typing.
• 31:20
  Get on here, say them. If you have a video, cool.
• 31:22
  If you don't have video, as long as we can hear your voice, this
• 31:25
  is what it's about. Tonight, we're just telling the
• 31:28
  truth about where the program is in general, and it's not in a
• 31:30
  good spot. Now saying that, I think we will
• 31:35
  all agree where we are as far as relationship ways with high
• 31:40
  schools probably fix that. It's in a significantly better
• 31:44
  spot than it was in 2020, the end of 2021.
• 31:49
  It is. I feel like somebody put a good
• 31:51
  tweet out. I can't remember who it was.
• 31:54
  I wish I could remember the name, username 571 Hokey or
• 31:58
  something. They pretty much said something
• 32:00
  like, you know, Pride was a good caretaker.
• 32:03
  He did a great job of yes, for the program and getting the
• 32:07
  program to a certain spot, but he's not a good head coach.
• 32:11
  It's time for you. It's time for us to get a real
• 32:13
  head coach in that knows how to win, that knows how to build.
• 32:16
  That's what it is, man. It's like it's, it's, it's just
• 32:21
  if he was getting paid $950,000 maybe, and we had to, you know,
• 32:26
  I hate that. It's always about money, but
• 32:28
  it's about money. Like he's getting paid really
• 32:30
  good money to be a bad coach. And like I said, I know
• 32:33
  Sheldon's sitting on his, sitting on his, on his, on his,
• 32:36
  his point, his points that he's going to make.
• 32:38
  But some of this stuff is alarming when you look at like
• 32:43
  records, records against winning teams, records against, you
• 32:47
  know, when you're leading a game at this, like it's just O and
• 32:52
  16, you know, one in one in 17. It's it's crazy numbers, man.
• 32:57
  They're just tired of it. So it, it is no, from my from my
• 33:02
  perspective, there is no, you know, if we do this, if we're,
• 33:06
  we're losing, we're losers. We're not winning nothing.
• 33:10
  You know, even even going into this weekend, I'm saying we're
• 33:13
  going to lose. I don't, I, I won't pick us to
• 33:16
  win against anybody because of what I've seen Saturday night.
• 33:22
  It was, it was terrible. Like Sheldon said, we got out
• 33:25
  game. I think we had negative yards in
• 33:27
  the second-half. All right, here we go.
• 33:30
  Here we. Go.
• 33:31
  Oh man, first of all. Andre.
• 33:37
  Always in the chat, always lighten it up.
• 33:40
  Andretti. Welcome to BCP, buddy.
• 33:44
  Can you hear us? We can't hear you, Andretti.
• 33:48
  If you talk, not hear you. OK, We hear you a little bit.
• 33:52
  Hear you a little bit. Make sure you got the speaker
• 33:55
  on. Can you hear me?
• 33:59
  Very, very low. Very low.
• 34:00
  Yeah. Let me try to let me try to ramp
• 34:02
  you up here. Hang on just a second.
• 34:03
  Hold on, stay on the line, stay on the line.
• 34:06
  I should have called my neighbor about how to do this shit man.
• 34:08
  Messing. Me up.
• 34:12
  All right, give that a go. Let's see what we got.
• 34:14
  Go ahead. I I can hear you.
• 34:17
  OK, Here we go. Hey.
• 34:18
  Hey. Now we can hear you.
• 34:19
  We got you. Not enough.
• 34:20
  Yeah, we good. Go ahead, man.
• 34:22
  How you feeling Andrada? Tell us how you feel.
• 34:25
  Tell us how you feeling brother. Man, fuck.
• 34:31
  Tech. Man.
• 34:35
  You got the Eagles hat on, you say.
• 34:37
  You done like? I'm pissed, man, I'm pissed.
• 34:43
  I feel you. I mean, I think that's kind of
• 34:45
  how we all are right now, yeah. Pride drones all them got to go
• 34:50
  bro. I don't like nobody no more I'm.
• 34:55
  Serious ship. Ship them all off.
• 34:58
  Andre said he hate everything right now about Virginia Tech.
• 35:02
  I don't even like #20 no more. I'm done worried about just call
• 35:06
  it burn the whole house down. Yeah, I'm.
• 35:11
  I'm sick of them bro. No, I get it.
• 35:15
  I understand, man. I mean, that's kind of how we
• 35:17
  how everybody feeling. So I I got a lot of friends,
• 35:20
  man. We beef all the time.
• 35:22
  My boys like Penn State, of course, everybody like Ohio
• 35:26
  State. So everybody called me.
• 35:28
  You still fucking with the hokey?
• 35:29
  I'm like God. Damn man, they tried to recruit
• 35:32
  you. That's dirty.
• 35:35
  They trying to recruit you. Yeah, it's bad.
• 35:38
  They dropping bags. They dropping bags and ready.
• 35:40
  Come on. Yeah, it's bad.
• 35:44
  It's bad. We got.
• 35:47
  I'm sick man, I don't think we going to be old to you.
• 35:51
  I definitely don't feel good about it.
• 35:53
  I feel the. The line went from 10 1/2 to 7
• 35:57
  in like 12 hours. If you that tells you how
• 36:00
  everybody's feeling about us. How are we?
• 36:03
  Going to win if you can't block. Yeah, 2 starting line lineman
• 36:08
  get hurt. And that's all it took for the
• 36:11
  wheels to fall off, apparently, apparently.
• 36:14
  Hold on, hold on. How do we not have a mitigation
• 36:16
  strategy for alignment going down?
• 36:18
  Like at some point, like you got to be, you got to not only not
• 36:22
  only account for that in your depth, but account for that as
• 36:26
  an offensive coordinator. Like that's almighty.
• 36:28
  You got to say, all right, well, we, we don't have the time that
• 36:31
  we normally have. We don't have this, we don't
• 36:33
  have that. I've got to do something to get
• 36:34
  the ball out of my quarterbacks hands fast.
• 36:36
  We got to take advantage of this pass rush that they're bringing,
• 36:39
  none of that. Yeah, man, coaches are valid.
• 36:43
  Can we really get Gruden can. We, we, we, we.
• 36:46
  Well, that's the whole thing. The first thing is you got to
• 36:49
  let everything out and how you feel and it's coming out now.
• 36:52
  Everybody there is effectively from everything that I have read
• 36:56
  and we have probably read the last 72 hours, ain't nobody on
• 37:00
  their side anymore. And if people start not getting
• 37:03
  on their side, the people who have a lot of this, who give
• 37:06
  that money is going to say, I'm not giving you this 10 million
• 37:10
  this year unless some shit changes.
• 37:13
  So this is the area of the grievances because I think we
• 37:16
  all get to feel that probably in the next couple months it's all
• 37:19
  going to happen. They're going to hold the money
• 37:21
  out there, but they're going to have them tight hands on it or
• 37:23
  say hey, hey. Shit going to change I'm.
• 37:25
  Not letting this go until something happens.
• 37:27
  So Andrey, real quick before we we let you go, just how did you
• 37:32
  up in Philly, man? How did you become a a tech?
• 37:36
  No, no, I'm from, I'm from there.
• 37:38
  I'm in. I'm in 757 now.
• 37:40
  OK, OK. Did you?
• 37:41
  Become a tech fan up there when you got down to 7 five.
• 37:46
  No in the PA. OK, how did that happen?
• 37:48
  Explain Like was it Victoria? Was it somebody else or no, No,
• 37:52
  I'm actually Victoria age. It's just it seemed like tech
• 37:57
  and the eagles seem like the same thing to me.
• 38:00
  Hard nosed, gritty, great defense.
• 38:03
  Our. Offense was shitty back in the
• 38:05
  days we we just had a buddy Ryan defense that would kill anything
• 38:10
  and the hokey seemed the same way to me always kind of
• 38:14
  undecized strong. Nobody wanted to play As for
• 38:18
  real, for real, we as hell. It's just I'm true, man, for
• 38:23
  real. Man, I'm sad give you 4 quarters
• 38:26
  of hell. Win or lose, we won't give you 4
• 38:28
  quarters of hell. Yep.
• 38:30
  Well, Andretti, listen to me. Please do this, man.
• 38:33
  Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
• 38:34
  Teach me. Charlie got on me last year.
• 38:38
  I was calling for these dudes heads.
• 38:40
  I did. I was a dummy.
• 38:44
  I was a dummy. You was right.
• 38:46
  I was wrong. I'm mad enough to admit it.
• 38:49
  You said it and you was right. I was like, chill out.
• 38:52
  Andre did. Now you should.
• 38:53
  I should have said no. He's right.
• 38:55
  I need to pay attention to what he's saying because you said you
• 38:57
  called it. Yeah, dude, too soft bro, you
• 39:01
  called it. But he too soft, man.
• 39:05
  You called it Andre did one 100% called it brother too.
• 39:09
  Soft man. Andretti, we appreciate you
• 39:13
  jumping on. We're going to have to move on
• 39:14
  to the next person. But shoot.
• 39:17
  Me, the lead man. Listen to us.
• 39:18
  Listen to us. You're I thought you were in
• 39:20
  Philly, man. You're in the 75.
• 39:22
  You got to let us know when you're heading to a game
• 39:25
  because, like, somebody might be there.
• 39:29
  So let us know when you head up, OK?
• 39:31
  All right, All right, man, Take care.
• 39:33
  Appreciate you jumping on this. Yes, Sir.
• 39:35
  Go birds. Go birds.
• 39:39
  Hi Andretti. Andretti entertaining as ever.
• 39:42
  Now we got VB Hokey up in here. VB Hokey speak of peace.
• 39:47
  Good evening, gentlemen. Did you guys hear a prize press
• 39:50
  conference today where he was talking up ODU like they were
• 39:53
  Ohio State? I think he that's a alluding to
• 39:56
  ODU next week. He is.
• 39:58
  He is worried. I mean, why not?
• 40:00
  You see what the quarterback did from a rushing standpoint, like
• 40:03
  they're running the ball with that quarterback.
• 40:05
  We saw what Diego Pavia did to us in the second-half there, I
• 40:08
  mean. There's definitely some
• 40:10
  concerns. So it it's just, it's weird
• 40:14
  seeing that type of posture from the head coach, especially
• 40:17
  coming off that kind of loss from Vandy.
• 40:20
  Yeah, and then, you know, in true Virginia Tech fashion, they
• 40:25
  just really couldn't have picked the better time to suck with all
• 40:28
  this conference realignment stuff going on, Man, My, my fear
• 40:32
  that it just gives me nightmares.
• 40:33
  We're going to end up sucking like a Big 12.
• 40:37
  You know, because the ACC is. Going to go down a toilet bowl
• 40:40
  when Miami and you will first UNC is going to be the first one
• 40:44
  out. So that's just going to be like
• 40:45
  the death flow. The people on Tobacco Rd. are
• 40:47
  just going to lose their tips. And you know, obviously Florida
• 40:51
  State and Clemson are gone. It's just a matter of time.
• 40:54
  So yeah, is it? True, we had an invite to go to
• 41:00
  the SEC like 12 years ago. It was under, it was not under
• 41:05
  Whit's watch. It was under Jim Weaver's watch.
• 41:07
  It was going to be us in Texas A&M, not in Missouri.
• 41:11
  It was going to be us in Texas A&M.
• 41:13
  And at that point in time, all things being equal, they were
• 41:18
  pretty much on the same footing as far as the ACC and the SEC
• 41:21
  went back then. I believe it was going to be A&M
• 41:23
  somebody Shelton, you might you might have something on that.
• 41:27
  But yeah, that was a possibility in 2012.
• 41:31
  So that was that was Jim Weaver. Jim, there's a lot of people
• 41:36
  that could have been his. Swan song there on his way out,
• 41:38
  but. It could have been it could have
• 41:40
  been so absolutely. Well, I mean, they'll the ACC is
• 41:45
  what it is. It, you know, founded by all the
• 41:48
  tobacco Rose School and they consider themselves a basketball
• 41:53
  first conference. So that's a problem.
• 41:55
  And you know, the, the schools from an academic mindset, you
• 42:01
  know, the UVA and even, you know, the Wake Forest and now
• 42:04
  you bring in like Stanford and Cal from an academic standpoint,
• 42:08
  they're all aligned. But at the end of the day, you
• 42:12
  know, research don't pay the bills.
• 42:14
  It's the TV media deal and the ACC is just hosed.
• 42:21
  Yeah, and the the new, you know, Nike contract extension didn't
• 42:25
  do us any favors on that point. So I'm sure somebody's going to
• 42:28
  talk about that a little bit more here shortly.
• 42:29
  But we we've definitely put ourselves behind the 8 ball by
• 42:35
  not adapting fast enough, by still still being a mom and pop
• 42:39
  operation for way too long. But at the same time, we are
• 42:43
  still funded and we still have enough talent on this roster
• 42:46
  where we should be able to go out there and handle a
• 42:48
  Vanderbilt. We should be able to go out
• 42:49
  there and handle a lot of these teams that we've been
• 42:51
  consistently losing to like Rutgers 2 years in a row and
• 42:54
  stuff like that. So at the end of the day, if
• 42:56
  you're not winning the games, you should win regardless.
• 42:58
  It's kind of hard to make a justification to give you all
• 43:00
  this extra money because what are you going to do with it?
• 43:03
  Well that's always been my problem with Virginia Tech.
• 43:05
  Even in the years were good. We end up losing as soon as we
• 43:09
  shouldn't. I mean, nobody says we have to
• 43:11
  go 12 an O every year, but damn, you should go nine and three at
• 43:15
  work. You could go 8 and four.
• 43:17
  I mean those 4 losses could be their teams that.
• 43:20
  Have more money than we do. Have more talent than we do.
• 43:23
  We should never have lost to an. ODU.
• 43:25
  And we should. Never have lost to Vanderbilt
• 43:27
  and God knows we should have never lost to Rutgers.
• 43:29
  You have to beat the team you're supposed to be.
• 43:32
  That's that's really it. At the end of the day, if you
• 43:34
  can't do that, you are crashed. You're trash.
• 43:38
  And it is a reason Brent Pry is on the way out of the door
• 43:42
  because you take a look at all the losses.
• 43:45
  You know, VB Hokey, you say it all those games, Purdue,
• 43:49
  Rutgers, even the ODU the first year, the Liberty.
• 43:53
  Well, I go back to Fuente here because believe it or not, try
• 43:56
  actually beat liberty. I'll go to the source of you on
• 44:00
  episode. Go back to 2020 when we fucking
• 44:03
  lost Liberty and watch me lose my fucking mind.
• 44:06
  But anyway, VB hokey, we appreciate you jumping on with
• 44:10
  us tonight. Again, y'all stay in the
• 44:13
  comments. If you want to jump in here,
• 44:15
  click the link. We got people waiting and now we
• 44:18
  got Gilbert in. Gilbert, speak your peace.
• 44:22
  Well, good evening. Gentlemen, it's great to be here
• 44:26
  with all of you and I wish it was under better circumstances,
• 44:29
  but if I can just I guess part my thoughts on this, you know,
• 44:34
  obviously very disappointing against two SEC teams to me
• 44:39
  losing those two games. Kind of translates to what are
• 44:42
  we going to be like in the ACC in our conference schedule.
• 44:44
  I mean, we're not going to be playing ODU and Wofford every
• 44:48
  game. So that is the concern and also
• 44:51
  it's just the outcomes of these games, especially next two.
• 44:54
  If we destroy ODU, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
• 44:57
  If we destroy Wofford, if it's a good thing or a bad thing, it's
• 45:01
  also a double edged sword because if we barely beat ODU
• 45:04
  and barely beat Wofford, what is that message sending to the fan
• 45:07
  base and all the boosters and everyone else around?
• 45:09
  So I think it's not just the fact that it's a performance,
• 45:13
  it's also the outcome and how it.
• 45:14
  Looks because I think this is going to be setting for the.
• 45:18
  Future here and if. We had all these.
• 45:20
  Recruits in these last game, I mean, they just saw a complete
• 45:24
  dumpster fire and that's not going to be very good for our
• 45:28
  future. So then again, I'm hoping that
• 45:31
  Brent is not part of our future. I hope it's someone else.
• 45:33
  And you know, it's it's it's very sad.
• 45:36
  It's very concerning. A lot of these fans deserve
• 45:39
  better. And I know we try not to think.
• 45:41
  Back about the early 2000s Hokies, but I mean, at this
• 45:45
  point it's just like it's all we have our to hold on to
• 45:48
  unfortunately. Yeah, it's, it's a difficult
• 45:52
  time, man. And and when we look at this
• 45:54
  program and kind of where we fall.
• 45:56
  And I think that the one consistent thread that you
• 45:58
  pointed out there is that this fan base is showing up.
• 46:02
  This fan base is giving the support to the program that they
• 46:08
  can. But at some point, they can only
• 46:09
  do so much and still keep receiving this mediocre product
• 46:14
  year in and year out. There's going to be a tipping
• 46:16
  point. I'm wondering if it's this year.
• 46:18
  If it's not this year, it's definitely going to be in a lame
• 46:21
  duck year. If, if Brent Pride gets any sort
• 46:23
  of reprieve beyond 2025, it's going to get really ugly and
• 46:30
  it's going to get ugly before it gets better.
• 46:31
  And, and, and I'm hoping that it does get better.
• 46:33
  But at this point, this is as low as I felt about the program
• 46:37
  because even at the end of the Justin Fuente era, there was
• 46:40
  still hope that the next guy can get it done.
• 46:43
  But right now, we're in the doldrums.
• 46:44
  We're in the thick of the shit. And it it seems like there's not
• 46:47
  going to really be another side of that being able to come out
• 46:50
  on the other side for at least a good while.
• 46:55
  Yeah, absolutely. And you know, we just changed
• 46:57
  coordinator, so I'm hoping that Brent doesn't use the excuse
• 47:01
  like, well, I just brought in a new staff.
• 47:02
  They have to implement their system.
• 47:04
  And that thus gives him more time to be the guy in command
• 47:07
  chair. But I think at this point we've
• 47:09
  seen that the results are just not been any good.
• 47:12
  So I think. My hope is, is that they get rid
• 47:15
  of WIT first. That kind of puts Brent in a try
• 47:18
  it out period with this new AD. And if this AD hopefully runs a
• 47:22
  very short leash on him, then he can axe him and bring someone
• 47:25
  else in. If they do bring take Brent out.
• 47:29
  I mean, to me it kind of is logic that they put in Monty
• 47:32
  from OC to head coaches because he's got that experience in
• 47:36
  Tulsa. So other than that, I mean, I'm
• 47:38
  open to anyone else at this point to come in and step in and
• 47:41
  be the coach. I, I saw something interesting
• 47:44
  and it's been brought up a couple times by some other folks
• 47:47
  like people saying go ahead and get rid of wit and get rid of
• 47:53
  pride. Make JC your interim and and
• 47:55
  ride that out through 2026 and. I don't like that.
• 48:00
  I completely disagree with that. I'm not.
• 48:02
  I've just put it out there because I've seen it.
• 48:04
  I'm just throwing, throwing ideas out there, seeing what you
• 48:07
  stick. I mean, Curtis obviously doesn't
• 48:08
  like it. Other people might feel
• 48:10
  differently about it, but it's basically the Brent Key Georgia
• 48:14
  Tech model where you get your AD in for a year and then you let
• 48:17
  them decide what the hire is and whether that hire is the interim
• 48:22
  or whether that hire is someone that's more qualified, that's
• 48:25
  done it before that that brings that experience that you're
• 48:27
  looking for. You at least get a steady hand
• 48:31
  at the wheel between now and then versus kind of what we're
• 48:35
  dealing with right now, which is, you know, a, a very, very
• 48:38
  much of A lame duck situation. It feels like.
• 48:40
  I mean, we, we're in A at a point where I, I don't know if,
• 48:44
  if, if this is going to be, you know what, this recruiting
• 48:47
  class, it's not a great class already.
• 48:48
  And and and I'm wondering if the wheels start falling off of it
• 48:51
  depending on how the rest of the season goes.
• 48:54
  I think all that's going to be on who we bring in and what
• 48:57
  happens because I think something will happen over the
• 49:01
  next few weeks because it kind of has to.
• 49:05
  OK. Well, again, like I said, we, we
• 49:08
  all know there's people with a lot of money out there that
• 49:10
  invest in the program. Like you said, Brian, if they
• 49:14
  say you can't have it this year, that's when shit usually gets
• 49:18
  done. Gilbert, we appreciate you
• 49:20
  joining us tonight, man. Giving up their packing on it.
• 49:24
  Thank you. Come back, throw your stuff in
• 49:26
  the chat 'cause you have a couple great opinions there man.
• 49:28
  Yeah, definitely. And Andrew, recruits aren't
• 49:31
  cancelling OVS. We cancelled our OV on a recruit
• 49:35
  for whatever reason. That is what was said.
• 49:38
  The recruit said that he didn't cancel Virginia Tech Council.
• 49:42
  So what's going on? There was an attempt.
• 49:45
  To reschedule another week. I don't know if that ends up
• 49:48
  happening, what it what ends up happening, but the the reason
• 49:51
  he's not coming is not because of him.
• 49:53
  Right, so that is on us. On them.
• 49:58
  It ain't us. I ain't with them.
• 49:59
  I'm on my own. I ain't with them.
• 50:01
  Is this is? This Jay.
• 50:02
  Smack, Jay Smack. How's it going?
• 50:04
  What's up? Can y'all hear me?
• 50:06
  We can't. I don't have much.
• 50:10
  Coherent to say, but what is going on with drones dude?
• 50:14
  I mean this dude is having some sort of mental thing man.
• 50:19
  It is just not looking good. It's called getting your.
• 50:24
  It's called getting your ass beating that back for you.
• 50:27
  I mean, I don't know what point we go to pop Watts that I mean I
• 50:31
  was at the Duke game last year. I mean, I don't know how good of
• 50:35
  a option that is, but you know, it is not looking good there.
• 50:41
  You got to try to, in my opinion, you got to try to do
• 50:44
  some things by committee right now because nobody's standing
• 50:46
  out and getting the job done. Whether you, I don't want to
• 50:51
  say, you know, running A2 quarterback system, I don't
• 50:54
  know. But what we're doing and
• 50:55
  working. But I can say they unleash the
• 51:00
  hounds on the last two games. Both teams have figured out
• 51:04
  we're going to make you throw the ball and beat us and it's
• 51:08
  not happening. They are.
• 51:10
  We can't block the people that they're sending and they're
• 51:13
  hitting our quarterback and our quarterbacks getting happy feet.
• 51:16
  So I would like them to do something else because again,
• 51:20
  drones is is I'm I'm high on, excuse me, I'm high on him as a
• 51:25
  kid, as a young man. He's a he's a, he's a great
• 51:28
  young man. But when it comes down to the
• 51:30
  same thing we're talking about with the coach, you got to be a
• 51:33
  winner and you got to treat this like a job because these young
• 51:37
  men are getting paid to do a job.
• 51:39
  You're not getting the job done. Try somebody else.
• 51:42
  Why are we going to keep rolling somebody out who ain't getting
• 51:44
  the job done? So let's see what somebody else
• 51:46
  can do and see if they can do it better because that's what a
• 51:49
  coach is going to do. If I'm putting a team on the
• 51:51
  field and then these people aren't doing the job, I would
• 51:54
  have just I would have just cleared the sidelines out.
• 51:57
  But you got what you had going on in that game.
• 52:00
  I would have said you're a freshman, hey, go get in.
• 52:04
  I need I need to seeking you cover them.
• 52:06
  We had cornerbacks running right with the wide receivers looking
• 52:09
  to the sideline. What looking at we looking at we
• 52:13
  looking at Turkey legs, We looking at ass in the stains.
• 52:16
  I don't know what we was looking at 'cause we wasn't turning
• 52:18
  looking for the ball. I'm just saying.
• 52:21
  Yeah. Put somebody else in.
• 52:23
  With with drones, it's like he's got I feel like he's got a
• 52:26
  really high ceiling, but he's got a really low floor.
• 52:30
  And I feel like if you look at, you know, QB 2, I don't really
• 52:34
  know much about QB three. I think it's Garrett Randgo.
• 52:36
  I don't, you know, they might not as have as high of a
• 52:39
  ceiling, but is their floor is low Because if it's not, I feel
• 52:42
  like you got to look at them and I don't really want to do the
• 52:45
  quarterback by committee thing that we did under Fuente because
• 52:50
  that just sucked. I mean, you want to have a
• 52:51
  quarterback as a leader, you want to have somebody the guys
• 52:54
  look to and I feel like Drones just does not, does not have
• 52:58
  that swagger right now. It's funny because like when he
• 53:02
  plays confident, he's as good as you could find and then when he
• 53:06
  doesn't it, it's it's very, very unsteady play like you said,
• 53:10
  high, high floor, low ceiling. And the consistency factor is
• 53:14
  the issue. You know his play if if he was
• 53:19
  even with the high floor, low ceiling, if you're staying
• 53:22
  around that even keel, more often than not, you're at least
• 53:25
  going to probably put up a good good amount of wins.
• 53:27
  I think his problem is that the yo-yo factor is is very extreme.
• 53:31
  Even in the middle of games where you know you have a first
• 53:34
  half where he plays fairly clean and then the complete complete
• 53:39
  opposite in the second-half. Just couldn't do anything,
• 53:42
  wasn't playing confident, wasn't making good reads, whether in
• 53:46
  the run game or in the pass game.
• 53:47
  I mean, the wheels just fell off the wagon.
• 53:51
  Yeah, I mean, and it's he clearly doesn't have a good
• 53:54
  front, you know, protecting him and I that you can, I mean,
• 53:59
  that's you can't use that as an excuse for everything.
• 54:02
  But, you know, I think that's going to be even worse this
• 54:05
  coming week with the injuries from the Vanderbilt game, so.
• 54:08
  I mean, Shandura Sanders didn't have a good, good line in front
• 54:11
  of him and he did OK. Right.
• 54:15
  So at the end of the day, that that's that can only be so much
• 54:19
  of an excuse. At some point you got to go out
• 54:20
  there and make plays and do the right thing with the football.
• 54:23
  Yep. A. 100%.
• 54:27
  Anybody else want to add anything before we let Jay Smack
• 54:30
  roll up out of here? I think we're good, man.
• 54:33
  Jay Smack, appreciate you joining us tonight, man.
• 54:35
  We got a couple more folks waiting to speak to that piece
• 54:37
  for a few minutes. Take care, man.
• 54:39
  All right, throw, throw somebody who's come on the space before.
• 54:43
  Hey, what's up? Maddie B in the house.
• 54:47
  Maddie Blacksburg. Good evening Blacksburg, I am
• 54:52
  back in the building on my favorite tech podcast, Bouncy
• 54:57
  Corner, so thank you for having me on.
• 55:00
  I don't want to talk about personnel and shit like that.
• 55:03
  I got to be honest with you, the Kyron drones, all the stuff,
• 55:06
  this isn't a player problem. What we have going on is deep
• 55:10
  seated in the walls of merriment and that's what I want to talk
• 55:14
  about. It seems like the Virginia Tech
• 55:18
  athletic program followed Frank Beamer to the retirement home
• 55:24
  and the energy has just been sucked out of it since.
• 55:30
  In what world? In what way is it possible for
• 55:34
  us in this new era of college football to rejuvenate that when
• 55:38
  we know we're down $150 million? Boys, what can we do?
• 55:44
  I would like to, I would like to hear from the panel on like, I
• 55:48
  mean, we know what the problem is.
• 55:50
  Let's stop skirting around it and talk about XS and OS.
• 55:53
  We know what the problem is. How do we fix it?
• 55:57
  I mean, I, I said it earlier, I think, you know, you start with
• 55:59
  wid Babcock and then you figure everything else out after that.
• 56:02
  And if we're being honest, if you want to run it up the Foley
• 56:05
  even further, it might be time for, to look at Tim Sands as
• 56:08
  well. Because I, I think, you know,
• 56:09
  you haven't had the, the support historically with whether it's
• 56:14
  in the public or, or behind closed doors, where athletics
• 56:19
  and football in particular has been a priority for Sands.
• 56:22
  But at the same time, you got width that it took how long
• 56:25
  before we finally got that meeting with the board of
• 56:28
  visitors at at some point you've got to come out there and you
• 56:32
  got to recognize the problem. It's like he was afraid to say I
• 56:35
  need money because it it looked like failure.
• 56:38
  But abjectly you ended up at failure anyway because you
• 56:41
  didn't ask for the money in a timely enough fashion.
• 56:44
  But at the end of the day, I go back again, money's not going to
• 56:47
  help us beat Vanderbilt's or Rutgers.
• 56:49
  Like we should be taking care of this business regardless.
• 56:52
  Yeah, well, if money won college football, A&M would win it every
• 56:55
  year. So it's, you know, I'm on that
• 56:59
  camp, too. I just found it really weird
• 57:01
  some things with Babcock, especially in that BOV meeting,
• 57:04
  he said some interesting quotes and phrases.
• 57:06
  He said something like, I've been crying wolf and now the
• 57:09
  wolf is here. Well, no, you weren't crying
• 57:12
  wolf at all, actually. You were pretending like the
• 57:14
  wolf didn't exist at all. You were.
• 57:17
  You were saying the wolf didn't exist and now it's here.
• 57:21
  We've got the wolf under control that yeah, that.
• 57:24
  Was a wolf under control? Yeah, yeah.
• 57:26
  So it's like, you know, but you didn't.
• 57:29
  And I think so. There isn't an athletic
• 57:32
  department in the country, regardless of your group or
• 57:35
  conference or whatever. There isn't an athletic director
• 57:39
  who isn't asking for more money. All of them are asking for more.
• 57:42
  Money. So I just wonder where he sort
• 57:46
  of failed on that like, and maybe I just care so much that
• 57:50
  if I was the athletic director, I would be on the I would be
• 57:53
  banging the phones every day. Give me money.
• 57:57
  This is why. And here's your return on
• 57:58
  investment. None of that has come from Wit
• 58:01
  Babcock. He's a terrible salesman.
• 58:04
  He doesn't close deals. Our Nike contract solves that.
• 58:07
  We don't have a corporate sponsor on the field.
• 58:09
  Our money gets squandered all over the place.
• 58:12
  Wit has to go first and you can't replace him and pry in the
• 58:16
  same year because we don't have money.
• 58:19
  How do you buy out a coach and AAD in the same year and then
• 58:22
  have enough money to hire anybody worth their salt?
• 58:26
  It's like that. He pushed us so far in the
• 58:27
  corner, we're fucked. I like, I don't know how else to
• 58:32
  put it. I'm sorry boys, but I'm I'm a
• 58:34
  blunt guy. I don't know it just.
• 58:39
  Sucks. Well, the the point with width
• 58:42
  is a We've talked about it on this show numerous times and
• 58:48
  when he first got here, football was cruising right Tally
• 58:52
  Sieglich. Cruising.
• 58:54
  Record wise cruising. Record wise.
• 58:57
  When did he get here? He got here in 2014, 2014.
• 59:01
  Frank was still the head coach, still cruising, just won eight
• 59:05
  games, looking OK. There was a lot of other shit
• 59:09
  that got fixed. But Brian, you said it long time
• 59:12
  ago, you can't let the cash cow starve.
• 59:16
  And that's what happened, roughly from 2014 until 2021.
• 59:20
  Wit let the cash cow starve. It started, it started in 2010
• 59:24
  because we, we didn't adapt from a structure standpoint to, to
• 59:28
  how fundraising is and how recruiting is in, in, in modern
• 59:32
  college football. That started in 2010, that
• 59:35
  started in 2010, it did 2010. And so you're already behind
• 59:41
  when wit takes over. And then you pull money away
• 59:44
  from this cash cow. You pull money away from this
• 59:47
  cash cow and it starts, it starts to bleed out.
• 59:50
  Yep. So you get to triage I.
• 59:53
  Don't know, man. Y'all be here, man.
• 59:55
  Yeah, Y'all be educating me on stuff because like I'm just, I'm
• 59:59
  country and old and I'm down here in Alabama.
• 1:00:02
  I'm older than. You and nobody.
• 1:00:04
  The person answering right now. He talks about this stuff like,
• 1:00:07
  I'm glad that Virginia Tech people are so like intelligent
• 1:00:12
  and y'all show me some things that I didn't know.
• 1:00:15
  But in Alabama and Auburn or Tennessee, Mississippi State or
• 1:00:19
  even Florida, I don't hear nobody.
• 1:00:22
  Like maybe I'm a casual football fan.
• 1:00:25
  Nobody talks about who they are. I don't never hear that.
• 1:00:29
  I just be like this motherfucker right here don't look like he
• 1:00:31
  coaching good. We need to get him.
• 1:00:33
  About it, well, it happened, it happens.
• 1:00:35
  It's a lot more niche right now for us because we're a
• 1:00:40
  consolidated fan base. A lot of others, like for
• 1:00:42
  example, I I'm on Twitter Spaces a lot.
• 1:00:45
  So like Miami, for example, run four Twitter Spaces a day, they
• 1:00:48
  go all day. And so the the fan base is a lot
• 1:00:51
  more spread out than it is at Virginia Tech.
• 1:00:53
  So we're very honed in on the problems that are happening.
• 1:00:57
  And it's it's. It's becoming hard to ignore and
• 1:01:02
  it's it's just one of those things where I think a lot of
• 1:01:05
  us, you know, and I mentioned this in the last time that I was
• 1:01:08
  on with you guys, a particular word.
• 1:01:10
  There's a candy ass Ness around the program.
• 1:01:13
  It's it's it's candy ass. We've we've become a novelty, a
• 1:01:18
  souvenir. It's like, oh, Enter Sandman
• 1:01:21
  Pop. And that's it.
• 1:01:23
  We're just like that. It's just a souvenir out of the
• 1:01:26
  Disney gift shop. We're not a serious football
• 1:01:28
  program and we haven't acted like one for some time.
• 1:01:32
  And I think that's because, again, we followed Beamer to the
• 1:01:35
  retirement home I. Love that analogy.
• 1:01:39
  I love that analogy, Matty B, because as we, we got some more
• 1:01:42
  folks waiting in the room over there.
• 1:01:43
  But you, you jumped on last December with us.
• 1:01:46
  We had some great combos. We had some great drinks that
• 1:01:48
  night. But I think that is a good
• 1:01:50
  point. And I think Tally spoke it
• 1:01:52
  earlier and I think maybe that's where a lot of people are
• 1:01:54
  feeling right now is we love Frank.
• 1:01:57
  We we all love Frank. Don't ever get it wrong because
• 1:01:59
  Frank is somebody said he's one of one and he did things with
• 1:02:02
  this program that had never been done before that we want to see
• 1:02:06
  again but may never be done again.
• 1:02:07
  But we we keep saying it it it might be time to completely cut
• 1:02:12
  it off. You know, his numbers hang up.
• 1:02:14
  His number will hang up forever, but get rid of the 25.
• 1:02:18
  Get rid of that stuff. Let's I'm not saying burn it
• 1:02:22
  down, but as anyone who's ever potentially purchased a house
• 1:02:26
  and maybe it was a shitty house, it's time to go all the way down
• 1:02:31
  to the studs. The bones are bad.
• 1:02:33
  Let's let's start with the foundation.
• 1:02:35
  And I appreciate. I appreciate you guys for having
• 1:02:37
  me on. Love you guys.
• 1:02:39
  You're my favorite best podcast out there.
• 1:02:42
  Bounty Corner. Appreciate it.
• 1:02:44
  We'll see you around, bud. All right, let's pull James on.
• 1:02:49
  James, can you hear us? I can.
• 1:02:52
  Can y'all hear me? Yeah, we got you.
• 1:02:54
  We got you. By the way, this is another
• 1:02:57
  Halifax's finest. On with us tonight.
• 1:03:02
  I think you got the wrong James this game.
• 1:03:05
  Well, go ahead James. Well, I just wanted to say that
• 1:03:10
  I was in Blacksburg this past weekend at the game and the Q
• 1:03:19
  word has been thrown around a lot about the players and how
• 1:03:24
  they played in the second-half. But from my perspective and with
• 1:03:30
  the situation of injuries and how the other team was playing,
• 1:03:34
  I feel like the coaches quit on the players.
• 1:03:38
  Like they just did not give them the opportunity, give them the
• 1:03:43
  best opportunity to win that game when they were still up by
• 1:03:48
  three points. Like you got to run some sort of
• 1:03:52
  screen or something to stop them from blitzing every damn play.
• 1:03:59
  And people want to talk about money and talent.
• 1:04:04
  It doesn't take that much talent to win some of the games or have
• 1:04:11
  some of the results we've had and it's just mind boggling.
• 1:04:14
  So. Yeah.
• 1:04:16
  That I think that's kind of where we've landed as well.
• 1:04:19
  I know we've said it a couple times tonight.
• 1:04:22
  We're we're putting a bad product out there and putting a
• 1:04:25
  product out there that's worse than the talent that we've
• 1:04:29
  accumulated on this roster. And I think that's that's the
• 1:04:33
  problem and that speaks to coaching.
• 1:04:35
  That speaks to coaching, not only preparing the players,
• 1:04:40
  right, but also what you're doing in the game.
• 1:04:43
  Because there's two parts of that.
• 1:04:44
  You got to get the players prepared.
• 1:04:46
  That's where you see things like execution issues.
• 1:04:48
  That's where you see things like just not being ready to adapt
• 1:04:55
  and execute in a consistent fashion as a player.
• 1:04:58
  But coach has got to get you ready for that.
• 1:05:01
  But also you still got a coach in the moment and and we saw in
• 1:05:05
  this game when your offensive line went down, you didn't make
• 1:05:08
  any sort of adjustment to get the ball into your receivers
• 1:05:12
  hands quicker because they were coming after Kyron.
• 1:05:16
  The ball wasn't coming out of his hands fast enough.
• 1:05:18
  There was problems in protections, there was problems
• 1:05:20
  really across the board and the coordinator didn't do anything
• 1:05:23
  to mitigate any of those throughout that whole game in
• 1:05:26
  the second-half. And it's frustrating to watch
• 1:05:28
  because as you said there there was a disservice.
• 1:05:31
  It's certainly I think was a disservice in both directions
• 1:05:33
  there. I think there was, I think there
• 1:05:35
  was some degree of quit, but I think like you said, I think
• 1:05:37
  the, the the coaches kind of threw up the surrender cobra
• 1:05:40
  first. You know when we look about not
• 1:05:43
  going forward on that 4th and short and and some of the other
• 1:05:46
  posturing that was done early in the third quarter there.
• 1:05:50
  I think that really fed into what we saw unfolded the fourth
• 1:05:53
  quarter, which was just the absolute beat down that put the
• 1:05:57
  game away. And I think the signs of prized
• 1:06:00
  coaching tenure being, you know, in the dumps were there pretty
• 1:06:04
  early, like, in terms of just coaching affecting the game.
• 1:06:09
  Like, it does not take that much talent to snap a ball properly
• 1:06:13
  for a kick, a fuel kick against ODU.
• 1:06:17
  It is it does not take that much talent to prevent a running back
• 1:06:21
  at Pitt from running like over 300 yards against your team.
• 1:06:24
  So it doesn't take that much talent to beat Marshall.
• 1:06:30
  Like it's just these things that it's it's been there and we
• 1:06:36
  wanted to be optimistic and believe.
• 1:06:38
  But being there on Saturday at that game, I've never seen a
• 1:06:45
  stadium get so quiet and empty so fast.
• 1:06:49
  It's just embarrassing. And The thing is, James, you
• 1:06:52
  clearly have been to games. It's usually not that way.
• 1:06:56
  There's been games where Tech's down 14 points with six minutes
• 1:07:00
  left and it's still roaring because there's still belief.
• 1:07:04
  And I think what happened, and it's probably, and I think it's
• 1:07:07
  happened to the majority of the fan base.
• 1:07:10
  Sounds like you. We know it's us.
• 1:07:12
  The belief is now gone. Like the belief's gone.
• 1:07:15
  Like he is not going to get us where we need to go.
• 1:07:19
  And it's time to cut bait. It's time to cut with wit.
• 1:07:23
  It's time to basically start a new.
• 1:07:27
  All right, Well, that's about all my piece there.
• 1:07:29
  But I enjoy listening to you guys.
• 1:07:30
  I found you all last year and you guys are a fun pod for
• 1:07:33
  listen too. Appreciate it.
• 1:07:34
  Appreciate it, James man. Appreciate it.
• 1:07:36
  James coming? On too appreciate.
• 1:07:37
  It Shelton, Shelton before we throw Josh Poltite with us, man,
• 1:07:41
  James, the the, the James I'm talking about on here now, we'll
• 1:07:45
  throw him on a few minutes, jump and unload on a couple of the
• 1:07:47
  things that you've got. Well, I mean it would be a few
• 1:07:53
  minutes, but I guess. What's your biggest?
• 1:08:02
  I'd say just I don't know, man, I feel like like people don't
• 1:08:07
  understand like how hard it is to be this bad in close games
• 1:08:10
  like prize ban and I know like, you know, the the last two games
• 1:08:13
  haven't been close. Like that's not necessarily
• 1:08:15
  like, you know, directly relevant to, to the to the
• 1:08:17
  current discourse, but like it's, it's simple.
• 1:08:20
  It's emblematic of like larger, you know, structural issues,
• 1:08:23
  like just to complete and utter lack of attention to detail.
• 1:08:26
  I mean, Chris Coleman was saying, you know, on the boards
• 1:08:28
  of the day, like this is a staff that will show up like an hour
• 1:08:31
  late to the media interviews because they they start practice
• 1:08:34
  an hour late. Like you can't even be on time
• 1:08:36
  for your own schedule. Like, what are you even doing,
• 1:08:37
  man? I, I just, I just, I don't even
• 1:08:39
  understand the operation that's going on here.
• 1:08:41
  I think it kind of reflects itself in the field in the close
• 1:08:43
  game records. Yeah, no, that's real.
• 1:08:45
  That's real. And The thing is too, like if,
• 1:08:51
  if we play anybody who punches, like if, if things are on script
• 1:08:55
  and things are going good, we've seen prize come, he can keep the
• 1:09:00
  team going. But if we play anybody who
• 1:09:02
  punches and we take a hit, he he done.
• 1:09:08
  He should be fans. He done.
• 1:09:11
  And it's like you can only do that so many times before people
• 1:09:14
  say, OK, that's you. It ain't no turn the corner no
• 1:09:17
  more. That's who he is.
• 1:09:19
  That's the team that he's created.
• 1:09:20
  That's the culture that he's created.
• 1:09:23
  Sheldon just threw some new stuff at me that I didn't even
• 1:09:25
  know about. If you ain't getting the stuff
• 1:09:28
  on time, if you're going out partying and drinking and
• 1:09:32
  driving and then your players doing it, like, come on, man.
• 1:09:35
  That's why another reason why I don't want to get into all that
• 1:09:38
  today. But when people was like, oh, he
• 1:09:40
  needs to be this and he's supposed to be raising me.
• 1:09:42
  And you don't start developing young men on the field.
• 1:09:47
  They see it in you. It's more to it than that.
• 1:09:49
  So we got a new hey, we got we got the best caller on on here
• 1:09:53
  now. What's little man name?
• 1:09:56
  Little man's name is Sutton. Sudden don't let Sudden don't
• 1:09:59
  let Sudden watch Virginia Tech. He'll throw up.
• 1:10:02
  I I failed. We watched last week on Sunday
• 1:10:05
  and then we watched on Saturday. But.
• 1:10:08
  Now I feel the other. Thing and then it's even it's
• 1:10:11
  harder for me because like I live in Texas, so like I'm
• 1:10:14
  seeing Texas Tech A&M throw the bag to get where we need to be
• 1:10:19
  in college football. And it's just like Virginia
• 1:10:21
  Tech's not doing it because of wit really.
• 1:10:24
  And like y'all were saying earlier, like I tuned into the
• 1:10:28
  TSL like recap of the game today and like which track record of
• 1:10:34
  hiring hiring football coaches? This man's basically O for
• 1:10:38
  three. The coach that he hired at
• 1:10:40
  Cincinnati was a terrible football coach and apparently
• 1:10:44
  now he's AUS senator. To like.
• 1:10:47
  Tommy. Tommy, yeah, he is a senator for
• 1:10:49
  Jonathan Talley. Yeah, he's more.
• 1:10:52
  Than two like I know we're down bad as a fan base.
• 1:10:56
  Like because I tune into y'all practically every week whenever
• 1:10:58
  y'all stream or whatever. Tally always wearing hoagie
• 1:11:03
  gear. This man's ain't got nothing on
• 1:11:06
  this time. And I'm and I'm wearing brave
• 1:11:08
  stuff. So that's even worse than the
• 1:11:09
  Hokies right now. So, you know, I'm that's that's.
• 1:11:12
  That's code misery right now. Man, yeah, 'cause then.
• 1:11:14
  Like I'm wearing brave stuff. I didn't want to put nothing
• 1:11:17
  orange on nothing maroon. No, I get it.
• 1:11:20
  No, we don't. Yeah, man.
• 1:11:22
  Yeah, like it's just hard. Like I've always watched the
• 1:11:25
  Hokie game through, but except like this weekend, the start of
• 1:11:29
  the fourth quarter, like I started watching the OU Michigan
• 1:11:32
  game like that just had my full attention.
• 1:11:36
  So like, it's like. It ain't even fun.
• 1:11:38
  It ain't Josh. Am I wrong?
• 1:11:39
  It's not even fun when you're watching some games now because
• 1:11:42
  there's no, it don't even look like football, Like we just look
• 1:11:46
  like we out there going through the motions.
• 1:11:48
  Like people literally it's like don't even care.
• 1:11:51
  It's like they pay more attention to pry writing on his
• 1:11:54
  notepad with the red pen. For all of our fuck ups really
• 1:11:58
  that aren't going to get fixed. Right.
• 1:12:00
  Again, why has that not been passed on to an intern or
• 1:12:03
  somebody else on the sideline? Like when you you stay engaged
• 1:12:07
  in the game, I don't need you making the notes.
• 1:12:09
  Exactly. Like, pass that to the person
• 1:12:11
  who's supposed to help you with clock management so you're aware
• 1:12:15
  of what's going on. I told them at the beginning of
• 1:12:17
  the season, the High Shelton, they didn't do it.
• 1:12:19
  That's what's wrong. There you go.
• 1:12:20
  Yeah, right, Shelton. Shelton would have been on that
• 1:12:22
  all. Right, Josh, I'm gonna ask you
• 1:12:24
  real quick, cuz we asked Andretti earlier, cuz he's up.
• 1:12:27
  He, he grew up in the Philly area.
• 1:12:28
  Are you originally from Texas? So originally I was born in
• 1:12:32
  Florida cuz my mom was active duty Air Force.
• 1:12:35
  OK, so I moved around a lot and like my story for Virginia Tech
• 1:12:40
  is like she was stationed at Langley.
• 1:12:41
  So like I turned the TI turned the TV on one day, Marcus
• 1:12:46
  Victoria and Vt was dog walking somebody back in the day.
• 1:12:49
  And I was just like, all right, I'm hooked.
• 1:12:52
  So like I've been through the tie rod, the Logan, the Gerard,
• 1:12:57
  the Fuente, the Fuente era. So like, yeah, it's just hard
• 1:13:03
  seeing some of these other like Texas schools that I see on a
• 1:13:08
  weekend basis really just like being able to pay for all this
• 1:13:12
  top and talent that like we'd never be able to afford because
• 1:13:17
  nobody backs the money for it. But this is the thing too.
• 1:13:21
  So I'm kind of in the same situation as Josh, but when you
• 1:13:26
  talk about, he's talking about the schools in Texas, right?
• 1:13:28
  You got Baylor, Texas Tech, Texas.
• 1:13:32
  SMU. SMU.
• 1:13:34
  Then you start to go into the Oklahoma's Oklahoma State.
• 1:13:37
  I've been. Throwing some money this year
• 1:13:38
  in. Particular this is the thing
• 1:13:40
  though, all of those schools, like out of those schools, it
• 1:13:45
  may be like one school that really has a chance to win at
• 1:13:48
  all. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:13:49
  Like they're throwing money and stuff, but it's not like they're
• 1:13:53
  they're this is what we got to do to win.
• 1:13:55
  Like Texas just kind of got back, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:13:59
  Everybody else is just normal teams.
• 1:14:01
  The return on investment is still not good.
• 1:14:04
  We could basically normal team. We could be a normal team with
• 1:14:07
  normal money. Like I ain't saying that I'm OK
• 1:14:10
  with winning eight games a year, but we should have been on one
• 1:14:13
  some 8 had some 8 game seasons. We have what we what we have.
• 1:14:19
  Like. I agree to get to the next
• 1:14:21
  level, sure, but the money is money is the problem in the long
• 1:14:26
  term scheme of things. But the problem right now that
• 1:14:30
  we seen on that field last week and what we need is we don't
• 1:14:33
  have a head coach that knows what the fuck he is doing.
• 1:14:37
  Britton James Pry does not know what the fuck he is doing.
• 1:14:42
  You know he needs some help. I don't care what he do.
• 1:14:46
  Take it $4 million. Go to the Bahamas.
• 1:14:48
  Look at some titties. We need you to leave.
• 1:14:51
  We need you to go. We need you out.
• 1:14:55
  Listen, Josh Button, I'm sorry. Suddenly saw it.
• 1:14:59
  Well, Josh, listen, man, appreciate you jumping.
• 1:15:00
  Sudden appreciate you jumping. He's just like Dad.
• 1:15:03
  I just, I just wanted to get some airtime tonight, man.
• 1:15:06
  You got to get the airtime. Man.
• 1:15:07
  You got to get the airtime. And, and thanks for sharing your
• 1:15:10
  story because like when you see people from Texas and a guy who
• 1:15:12
  grew up in Philly and it's like, that's how I became a tech fan.
• 1:15:16
  I turned on the TV and there was this unbelievable athlete
• 1:15:19
  running down the field. We appreciate it, man.
• 1:15:21
  So keep listening and we'll see you around.
• 1:15:24
  Of course, sounds good. Sutton was doing better than
• 1:15:27
  prop with his pad all. Right.
• 1:15:33
  I think based based on our time here, I think James, you're
• 1:15:36
  going to be the last one on here.
• 1:15:38
  I'm. Going I'm going to preface this.
• 1:15:42
  Everybody on here that's probably listening knows how far
• 1:15:44
  me and Curtis goes back. You go back.
• 1:15:47
  This man on camera, I go back with probably the farthest than
• 1:15:50
  than anybody that I know that I'm still in contact with.
• 1:15:53
  So James Ambrose, everybody. What's going on, fellas?
• 1:15:56
  Bloody. Hey, man, love you guys.
• 1:15:58
  Love listening to you guys first and foremost, man.
• 1:16:00
  See, Curtis, it's been too long since we've hung out, so we got
• 1:16:03
  to do something soon. Wait.
• 1:16:04
  Too long bro. But yeah, man, like, you know,
• 1:16:07
  Brian, you know, just most than anyone, like I've been a die
• 1:16:09
  hard tech fan forever, right? Like, you know, you, you
• 1:16:13
  remember going back in middle school where, you know, our
• 1:16:16
  principal was an official for the Big East, He'd bring those
• 1:16:18
  programs back. And like, that's the first thing
• 1:16:20
  you would go to the library to check out, right?
• 1:16:22
  Those early, those programs from the Big East, you saw Ken
• 1:16:25
  Oxendon on it. Like, you know, saw all these
• 1:16:28
  great players on it. Like one of my fondest memories
• 1:16:30
  as a kid was watching that Sugar Bowl in 95 with my dad.
• 1:16:34
  Like I, I remember sitting to Beverly on the sofa with my dad,
• 1:16:37
  watch the Circle Bowl and he's like, I tell you what, if we
• 1:16:39
  beat Texas, we're going to go light some fireworks.
• 1:16:41
  I was like, heck, yeah, let's go Hokies.
• 1:16:44
  So, so for me, like, you know, and now that I have a son who,
• 1:16:49
  who's 9 and like, I'm trying to get him like he, he loves
• 1:16:51
  sports. So no, no trying, but trying to
• 1:16:54
  like, get him to love sports. Like I love sports.
• 1:16:57
  Love A-Team. Like we love A-Team, right?
• 1:16:59
  Like, we grew up with the team. We love this team.
• 1:17:01
  We're passionate about this team and to like, watch them lay eggs
• 1:17:05
  like this time and time again. And and Grant, like now, he's
• 1:17:09
  had one great experience. We went to Boston College last
• 1:17:11
  year and with the exception of the third quarter, it's a great
• 1:17:13
  game. And Brian, you know, I get to
• 1:17:15
  talk to you all the time when I, you know, through text messages
• 1:17:18
  most often, like during the games.
• 1:17:19
  But like, you know, one thing for me is like, it sucks that,
• 1:17:25
  you know, my experience as a young kid watching Virginia Tech
• 1:17:28
  football was excellent. Like you had some losses, like,
• 1:17:32
  and, and, you know, there were always times when, like, you
• 1:17:35
  knew, we didn't have the best players, we didn't have the best
• 1:17:37
  talent, but we had a coach who gave a damn.
• 1:17:39
  And I think that's the issue. Like, we had a coach who care
• 1:17:42
  like Frank Beamer at the time, and like, he took a program that
• 1:17:45
  was in the dirt and he turned into something special.
• 1:17:48
  He turned into something great for everybody.
• 1:17:51
  And now, like, we got to live that experience.
• 1:17:54
  We got to watch the sugar bowls. We got to, you know, some of my
• 1:17:57
  best experiences, you know, in college especially.
• 1:18:01
  What's that I? Remember with your brother.
• 1:18:02
  Yeah, like I mean your. Brother, man up and.
• 1:18:05
  Yeah, yeah, my brother went there like he was there during
• 1:18:08
  the Victoria era, the national title game, like, and that's
• 1:18:11
  different. Like you go and you lose to a
• 1:18:12
  Florida State, right. But of course they had Peter
• 1:18:16
  work, they had Chris Winky, they had all these other studs on the
• 1:18:18
  team and you're up there with Michael Vick and Andre Davis.
• 1:18:23
  So you know, you lose against the team with great talent.
• 1:18:27
  And like I've gone to so many games, like some of my best
• 1:18:29
  memories, you know, like I said, through college, like or even
• 1:18:32
  post college was like, you know, you know, God rest his soul,
• 1:18:36
  Brian, you know, Brian Wilkerson and we went to that Miami game.
• 1:18:39
  We got to store in the field. Man, that's that's remarkable.
• 1:18:42
  And I'm saying things like, I want my son to live this, Like,
• 1:18:44
  I want my son to experience this, the Tech Nebraska game
• 1:18:47
  where, you know, Tyrod Diddy, Mikey Tyrod did it like I was at
• 1:18:51
  the game, you know, so like, having to live those experiences
• 1:18:54
  were great. And for me as a fan now with
• 1:18:56
  kids and like trying to, you know, raise him for this.
• 1:18:59
  Like, you know, we're watching the Tech game last Sunday
• 1:19:02
  against South Carolina. It's like, OK, you know, we put
• 1:19:04
  up a good fight. You know, it's a good game.
• 1:19:05
  You know, the two big plays, cool, you know, defensive,
• 1:19:08
  tired, I get it. And then even last week, you
• 1:19:12
  know, we're watching Vanity first half, OK, we look good.
• 1:19:14
  And then the second-half, you just come out flat, like, and I
• 1:19:16
  even Ashe was like, what did he say at halftime to make a team
• 1:19:21
  come on and just die? Like, what do you say to
• 1:19:24
  somebody? Like you say, hey, guys, you
• 1:19:26
  know what? We're let's go out here.
• 1:19:27
  We're going to give them a chance.
• 1:19:29
  We're going to let them run right up your butt hole and
• 1:19:31
  you're going to like it. All right.
• 1:19:33
  And you know what? And you know, like, offensively,
• 1:19:35
  right, Kyron drones was different the first half.
• 1:19:37
  Like he's out there like he's shouldering people like he's
• 1:19:40
  hitting guys. Yeah, Like, So what?
• 1:19:43
  What if Phil Mcgarn, what did he say during this time to make
• 1:19:47
  Karen Jones? Like, hey, you know what?
• 1:19:48
  Don't go get that extra. I want you to fall down.
• 1:19:50
  I want you to slide. You know, I think that's going
• 1:19:53
  to be OK. You just slide.
• 1:19:54
  And then like, you have a third in a snail, like you a third in
• 1:19:58
  a fourth in a snail, right? Like 4th in 1/2, a blade of
• 1:20:00
  grass. And you're like, hey, you know
• 1:20:02
  what? My defense just got trucked.
• 1:20:04
  They just took the ball, you know, 75 yards for a touchdown.
• 1:20:08
  I'm not going to go with this like.
• 1:20:09
  Brian, like you and I played office in line together.
• 1:20:12
  What would have had like if we had that like half an inch to
• 1:20:14
  get what happens? Like even if you need to call a
• 1:20:16
  time out, that coach is going to get your office on and say, hey,
• 1:20:20
  I don't care what you have to do.
• 1:20:21
  You're getting that freaking half a yard.
• 1:20:23
  You're getting that half an inch, whatever it is, right?
• 1:20:25
  Like where is that? There's no buyer, There's no
• 1:20:27
  passion. But like Tally said a little
• 1:20:29
  while ago, the guy was on the freaking clip.
• 1:20:30
  Like what's he writing down? We suck again.
• 1:20:33
  We suck again. I suck as a coach.
• 1:20:34
  Like, I don't know. So I don't know.
• 1:20:37
  For me, it's very frustrating watching this program that I
• 1:20:40
  love, that I'm passionate about just go in the total.
• 1:20:45
  Just freaking the abyss, man. Like you can't even make fun of
• 1:20:49
  UBA anymore. Like that's how bad we are now
• 1:20:51
  at. Some point, like we're at a
• 1:20:54
  point now where we can't trash on UVA because we're going out
• 1:20:57
  there and laying eggs every week and it's like if the only thing
• 1:21:00
  that we can talk about is an entrance and beating UVA every
• 1:21:03
  year, that's as bad as it gets. By.
• 1:21:07
  The way James, I am stealing 4th in a snail for my and.
• 1:21:13
  And James, so talking about that, talking about fourth in a
• 1:21:15
  blade, like you remember our senior year, we went through a
• 1:21:18
  rotating cast of characters. We did.
• 1:21:21
  It was it was me, you and everybody else was kind of
• 1:21:26
  rotating. There was a lot of different
• 1:21:28
  moving parts that year. And we didn't make excuses when
• 1:21:31
  we needed fourth in the yard just because two guys that were
• 1:21:34
  were nicked up and we, you know, they weren't in the game.
• 1:21:36
  Like at some point you got to make the right play.
• 1:21:39
  Regardless of what your personnel is in there.
• 1:21:41
  You got to go out there and just make a play.
• 1:21:43
  You you need you need a snail, you get a snail.
• 1:21:46
  Yeah, like, and then that's the thing, like I feel like with
• 1:21:49
  this team, like you, you can tell there's just seems to be no
• 1:21:52
  heart. And I get it, man.
• 1:21:53
  You're in a it's a new area of era of college athletics, man.
• 1:21:56
  You're in IO, all this other crap where you know that that
• 1:22:00
  possibly was the reason Nick Saban gets out of coaching,
• 1:22:02
  right? It's like, hey, the kids,
• 1:22:03
  they're here for money now. Cool.
• 1:22:05
  OK, if that's the case, then find the kids that want to
• 1:22:07
  freaking play. I'd rather go six and six with a
• 1:22:10
  group of guys who have hard and give a crap like entirely, you
• 1:22:13
  know, you're wearing the the Braves gear like this year,
• 1:22:16
  especially like I'm a huge Braves fan as well.
• 1:22:18
  So this this sucks. Like, you know, I'm ready for
• 1:22:20
  hockey. Like let's get hockey going,
• 1:22:22
  baby. Let's go.
• 1:22:23
  Yeah. So, but as a Braves fan that you
• 1:22:25
  sit there like, you know, if you get blown out of the game, like
• 1:22:29
  if you're consistently losing, like the Colorado Rockies,
• 1:22:32
  right, that's talent. That means, hey, I don't have
• 1:22:34
  talent. When you're losing close games
• 1:22:36
  consistently, that's coaching. That's 100% coaching.
• 1:22:41
  Like, and we do it every year as hokey fans, like the last four
• 1:22:45
  years. God, you know I have hope this
• 1:22:47
  year because look at all those one score games.
• 1:22:49
  Look at all those one score games like it's the same thing
• 1:22:52
  every year and you. Can turn just a couple of those
• 1:22:54
  around. You're on the the good side of
• 1:22:57
  you're. At 9, you're at 8.
• 1:22:59
  You're at 10. If you could just turn one or
• 1:23:01
  two. Yeah, you're a playoff team.
• 1:23:03
  I mean, my God, like, and and you know, we're talking about
• 1:23:06
  recruiting like if I was at a tech game last week and I, you
• 1:23:10
  know, I'm thinking about going to tech and like, I see you
• 1:23:12
  laying the egg the whole second, the whole second.
• 1:23:14
  Like you have 0 hope in that second-half.
• 1:23:17
  There's nothing like I think Sheldon, you mentioned this
• 1:23:19
  earlier, like there is nothing in that second-half worth
• 1:23:22
  mentioning it. It's like, you know, if and if
• 1:23:26
  you got, if you guys are Ted Lasso fans, like it's like that
• 1:23:29
  one, one game where he puts it to that funny music and like
• 1:23:32
  he's like, this is how you watch this.
• 1:23:34
  Like that's how you watch that second-half.
• 1:23:36
  There's nothing good about it. Like you go out there and you
• 1:23:39
  look like crap and like your whole your all your fans leave.
• 1:23:43
  I think. And that's one thing as a Tech
• 1:23:45
  fan, like I remember there was one year, you know, we're
• 1:23:47
  sitting there in like Georgia Tech, they have Calvin Johnson,
• 1:23:50
  like, you know, Megatrons out there. 2006 yeah like what
• 1:23:54
  fucking year you talking about Yeah beats the.
• 1:23:56
  Crap out of us, right? But you're 33 yards.
• 1:23:59
  Yeah, like, but everyone was still just about, everyone's
• 1:24:02
  still in the stands, everyone like you're still waiting.
• 1:24:05
  We're down 33 touchdowns or something.
• 1:24:08
  You're still there because you know what?
• 1:24:09
  This is our team. We love this team.
• 1:24:11
  But there's like, it's almost like this athletic department,
• 1:24:15
  this coaching staff, they, they've almost like just
• 1:24:19
  destroyed this. And it's sad, man.
• 1:24:21
  It's, it's so freaking sad to see.
• 1:24:23
  It's so disheartening. And I, you know, it's hard for
• 1:24:26
  me to compare to anything. Like I'm sitting like, I don't
• 1:24:28
  know if I've ever been like this beat up.
• 1:24:30
  Like I'm sitting here thinking like, I don't want my son to be
• 1:24:32
  a Tech fan, Man, this hurts. Like, you know, I've always told
• 1:24:35
  him I was like, you know, he loves playing baseball.
• 1:24:37
  I think Tally, your son's a big baseball player too.
• 1:24:40
  So I'm saying like he wants to play college, Boston and further
• 1:24:43
  on last time, like a couple years ago, all he wants to do is
• 1:24:47
  play Kentucky. And then like we took him to a
• 1:24:48
  Tech game. Now he's like, I want to go to
• 1:24:50
  Tech and I'm like, God, man, I don't know.
• 1:24:52
  I don't know what you going to tell me.
• 1:24:53
  Like I love. I love, yeah, I love the school,
• 1:24:56
  but at the same time, like, heartbreak is that this is hard,
• 1:24:59
  man. Like this is this is
• 1:25:01
  heartbreaking. It's devastating.
• 1:25:03
  And you know, you guys said, hey, man, let's say eulogy for
• 1:25:05
  this program, man. Like, yeah, I feel like this
• 1:25:08
  program has been dead for a couple years now.
• 1:25:09
  It's like we just keep trying to find that hope, like holding up
• 1:25:12
  hope and like finding hopefully, like just hoping somebody can
• 1:25:16
  come by and resurrect this program.
• 1:25:17
  I mean, I think was it like didn't when I guess when Frank
• 1:25:23
  Beamer said like he was retiring, like what didn't Curry
• 1:25:26
  Smart say, hey, like I'm interested in this job?
• 1:25:28
  Like we, we could have had him as a coach, like he wanted to be
• 1:25:32
  here. But no, we we go and we get this
• 1:25:34
  head coach from Memphis. Great.
• 1:25:36
  You know, look, look, look what happens there.
• 1:25:37
  And I get it, man. You got yeah, Bud Foster there,
• 1:25:39
  maybe like 2 defensive coordinators.
• 1:25:41
  I don't know. I don't know what all happened
• 1:25:43
  there. And then, you know, Shane Beamer
• 1:25:44
  seems like he had an interest, but then maybe not.
• 1:25:47
  Like you had a bunch of stuff. I think everything came out.
• 1:25:49
  I don't know all the details and I didn't read much into it.
• 1:25:52
  Like he wanted to come here for a little bit.
• 1:25:54
  Maybe you guys can correct me if I'm wrong.
• 1:25:57
  And that didn't work out. We stuck with Fuente and he, you
• 1:25:59
  know, signed with South Carolina.
• 1:26:01
  And then you look at one of his is Taurean Gray.
• 1:26:04
  He's on his coaching staff, right?
• 1:26:06
  Like, Taurean Gray was a great player for us.
• 1:26:08
  Like, great coach for us. Yeah.
• 1:26:13
  Like I mean like. He's doing the same job there
• 1:26:15
  that he was doing here. Yeah, like why can't we have
• 1:26:18
  like you have JC Price, but why can't we get these other guys to
• 1:26:22
  come back? Like you got Xavier DB, I get
• 1:26:25
  that you got Ferguson strength and conditioning, but man like.
• 1:26:29
  Ambrose, give me a SEC here because I think we're at the
• 1:26:32
  point and Tally brought it up early.
• 1:26:34
  I don't know if you heard it, because you got kids.
• 1:26:36
  You got to put kids to bed like we do.
• 1:26:38
  Is it time to separate now? I'm not saying kill the legacy,
• 1:26:41
  but is it time to find a whole new staff, a whole new identity?
• 1:26:46
  The 25 the lunch pail will. Be up here after.
• 1:26:48
  Forever 7 will be in the Raptors forever.
• 1:26:51
  Is it a an AD? I don't give a shit here.
• 1:26:55
  The AD is I want an AD who knows football.
• 1:26:58
  Who is going to go and say I need more money for football and
• 1:27:01
  that's all they're going to do? I love what Matty B said.
• 1:27:04
  We need more money for football. You want to win 10 games?
• 1:27:07
  You want to go to the playoffs, give us some more money.
• 1:27:10
  It's annoying, but is it time to effectively, and this is now 10
• 1:27:14
  years later, is it time effectively to take that step?
• 1:27:19
  Not shitting on his legacy, but away from the Beamer and all
• 1:27:23
  that stuff. Yeah.
• 1:27:26
  I think that's what people are saying.
• 1:27:28
  We're holding on to that past. When is it time to finally let
• 1:27:31
  it go? Because you know how long it
• 1:27:34
  took Alabama to let it go. Do y'all know how long it took
• 1:27:36
  Alabama to let go of some sort of Saban or excuse me, some sort
• 1:27:41
  of Bear connection? Don't know how long it took 25
• 1:27:48
  years. Guess what year that was?
• 1:27:53
  They hired Nick Saban. Everyone before that had had
• 1:27:56
  some sort of connection to Bear. You got to let it go, man.
• 1:27:59
  You got to let. It go there's a different.
• 1:28:01
  Culture and legacy, and I think there you go.
• 1:28:03
  When we talk about it, we can. You can still have Virginia Tech
• 1:28:07
  culture and still be about what Virginia Tech is all about
• 1:28:12
  without having to drag through the legacy of your legend every
• 1:28:18
  single time throughout the way. And that's not to say you can't
• 1:28:21
  have alumnus on the staff throughout this process, but
• 1:28:25
  that can't. That can't be the focal point.
• 1:28:28
  At some point you've got to re establish the roots of the
• 1:28:32
  program without looking behind. You got to replant it.
• 1:28:37
  You have to replant. It and I would agree with that
• 1:28:40
  like I think, you know, I really think it is time to move on
• 1:28:43
  like, you know, I think Price done a really good job bringing
• 1:28:46
  it like or he he did a good job bringing like, you know those
• 1:28:50
  not back. The one thing that pisses me off
• 1:28:53
  every single game week is the 25 like stop the 25.
• 1:28:58
  Like we got to stop doing that. It's because like this, this was
• 1:29:01
  a Fuentes thing, like just a Fuentes started this.
• 1:29:05
  And then also it'd be different if you were good on special
• 1:29:07
  teams, but we suck on special teams.
• 1:29:10
  Like we're not a good special teams team.
• 1:29:12
  And then Sheldon could probably look at the stats.
• 1:29:14
  I mean, I know when I look at special teams, I get terrified
• 1:29:16
  like every time we punt the ball, I'm like, they're they're
• 1:29:18
  going to return this. And like, like we don't block
• 1:29:21
  kicks like we used to. Like it's almost like when, you
• 1:29:23
  know, back in the day and like we bring bean rope again, but
• 1:29:26
  like you almost expected him to block a field goal or block a
• 1:29:30
  block a punt, right? Like it's every game you almost
• 1:29:33
  expect of that. Whereas now it's like we don't
• 1:29:34
  go after the punt. We try to set up a return every
• 1:29:36
  time or, or we, we allow them to, you know, run touchdowns
• 1:29:40
  back on us with punts. So I, you know, I really hate
• 1:29:44
  the 25. So I wish they would let that
• 1:29:47
  go. Me too.
• 1:29:48
  Like I it's, it's frustrating to me as I'm like.
• 1:29:51
  The first couple years and then it got stayed as shit the first
• 1:29:54
  year. If they've done 16 to 7, that
• 1:29:57
  should have been it. And the jerseys.
• 1:30:00
  The jerseys in the Raptors forever, man.
• 1:30:02
  Yep, Yep. Well, listen.
• 1:30:04
  Ambrose, brother, it's been too long since we've seen you again.
• 1:30:09
  He goes way back with Sigla. Ambrose, you're another guy.
• 1:30:12
  Got to know him. Middle school known.
• 1:30:14
  Yep. It's 30 years now.
• 1:30:16
  So listen, thank you for jumping on, giving us your point of
• 1:30:20
  view, your thoughts, man, keep in touch.
• 1:30:23
  Maybe maybe you know what, Brian, let's let's try to see if
• 1:30:26
  we shit, if I don't know, I invited you to the house last
• 1:30:29
  Saturday. But anyways, let's try to get
• 1:30:32
  together, watch a game and see if we can commiserate in it.
• 1:30:35
  Sounds like a plan man. Y'all take care.
• 1:30:36
  Thanks for having me on man. Love the podcast voice.
• 1:30:39
  Appreciate it. Thank you.
• 1:30:40
  Man, see you. Thank you.
• 1:30:41
  All right, we are. I appreciate all y'all jumping
• 1:30:45
  on with us, everybody. I don't know how many.
• 1:30:47
  I felt like we had about 15 people on here.
• 1:30:49
  I don't know if anybody was hold on.
• 1:30:50
  I should have marked it every time we had somebody on notepad
• 1:30:54
  up here and marked it. But Sheldon, anything else you
• 1:30:57
  want to lay on us before? Our giveaway winner.
• 1:31:02
  Oh, there's Jay, he was down there.
• 1:31:05
  Anything you want to load on us? Because we are, we're not doing
• 1:31:07
  any keys or anything. We're just going to make our
• 1:31:10
  picks and then we're going to go big screeners and we're going to
• 1:31:12
  kick it. Anything.
• 1:31:15
  I know you got a, you got a big piece to drop.
• 1:31:18
  So, yeah, so down to your assessment there.
• 1:31:22
  Yeah, so I dropped a piece for the key play yesterday.
• 1:31:25
  Basically what I talked about was, I mean, obviously we know
• 1:31:28
  like, you know, how badly we got gashed and just what a disaster
• 1:31:31
  that was. I felt like it was the first
• 1:31:33
  time where we kind of saw the team really quit under Pride,
• 1:31:35
  which was disappointing because I think that was 1 area where he
• 1:31:38
  where he was different from Fuente is that his team's never
• 1:31:40
  quit, but they quit last night. So that was unfortunate.
• 1:31:42
  Or Saturday, which is unfortunate.
• 1:31:44
  But what I talked about was basically there are a bunch of
• 1:31:47
  trends in the Pride era that just defy any sort of logical
• 1:31:50
  explanation that that is just beyond any sort of, you know,
• 1:31:55
  you know, minor, you know, you know, offensive struggles or, or
• 1:31:59
  what have you. Just stuff that shit that like
• 1:32:02
  does not even compute based on what we understand about the
• 1:32:05
  sport of football. The first thing the non
• 1:32:09
  conference power for losing streak.
• 1:32:11
  I do not know how Virginia Tech has managed to have won this
• 1:32:13
  long. It is 15 games.
• 1:32:15
  That is the tide for the fourth longest streak all time in
• 1:32:21
  Division One since 1973 for power for schools.
• 1:32:24
  And I know Pride did not start it, but he has certainly
• 1:32:26
  contributed to it. And it is particularly jarring
• 1:32:30
  in the context of how easy Tech schedule has been since Pride
• 1:32:34
  took over. And I talked about this. 2022,
• 1:32:37
  they had the easiest schedule in the Power Four, one of the
• 1:32:40
  easier schedules in recent memory that we've seen at this
• 1:32:42
  level. 2023 was the 30s schedule in the Power four last year, all
• 1:32:46
  six of their wins were against backup quarterbacks or
• 1:32:49
  quarterbacks that later got benched.
• 1:32:51
  So you've got a absolutely gift wrap schedule for you and your
• 1:32:55
  record is 16 and 23 more. So tech is the tech has played
• 1:33:00
  fewer top 50 opponents under Pride than any other power force
• 1:33:04
  school since since 2022 according to SP Plus they've
• 1:33:07
  played more bottom 80 opponents than any other power force
• 1:33:10
  school. And despite this, they do not
• 1:33:12
  have a single win against a top 50 opponent since he took over.
• 1:33:16
  And they're the only power force in the country for whom that is
• 1:33:19
  true since then has one. Everyone else has at least 2.
• 1:33:22
  The average is 8. They do not have a single tough
• 1:33:25
  to win since Pride took over. I just don't know how you
• 1:33:27
  explain that stuff. No other team does this.
• 1:33:30
  Literally no other team does this.
• 1:33:32
  All right. And then if you look at the
• 1:33:34
  close game records, one in 12 worst win percentage among 350
• 1:33:39
  qualified coaches this century. So he is literally the worst
• 1:33:42
  close game coach in the modern era of college football, which
• 1:33:45
  is a story unto itself. Only 5 only three other coaches
• 1:33:49
  have ever managed to lose 12 of their first thirteen one score
• 1:33:52
  games. So and you look at the list,
• 1:33:54
  it's like guys you have never heard of in a million years.
• 1:33:57
  But I mean, Joe Morehead, some people have heard of him, but
• 1:33:59
  guys like Kevin Wilson, Todd Dodge, Marcus Arroyo, like no
• 1:34:04
  one, no human being has ever heard of those guys.
• 1:34:06
  Even for fans of those teams, and I guarantee you don't know
• 1:34:08
  what what teams those coaches coach for.
• 1:34:11
  It's just inexplicable. So I, I, I don't even know like
• 1:34:15
  what like just how to explain the, the baffling level of
• 1:34:18
  incompetence on a, on a, on a micro and macro level that this
• 1:34:23
  staff has kind of put together like, 'cause you look at the
• 1:34:25
  1623 record and it's like, OK, that's bad.
• 1:34:27
  No, it's actually worse than you think.
• 1:34:28
  Because with their schedule, with their, with how many close
• 1:34:31
  games they've been in, I mean, they should be like, they should
• 1:34:33
  be a 600, you know, A600A650 win program.
• 1:34:37
  And they're terrible. It, it just defies it defies
• 1:34:40
  all, all human logic. So, and then lastly, I'll, I'll
• 1:34:44
  end my rant here. You know, Fuente Fuente Fuente
• 1:34:49
  had many issues, as we all know, we've talked about, you know,
• 1:34:51
  just the the issues that he had recruiting wise, development,
• 1:34:53
  coaching, assistant hires and so forth.
• 1:34:56
  But I do feel that he had some redeeming qualities as a coach.
• 1:35:00
  Obviously, he was way too much of a hard ass and a drill
• 1:35:02
  Sergeant and he did not have great people skills.
• 1:35:05
  He did not have good, you know, program management skills for a
• 1:35:07
  powerful program. But if you if you need him to be
• 1:35:11
  a hard ass or to to prep for a single game against a really
• 1:35:14
  good team, he could do it. He had some big wins.
• 1:35:17
  You know, he beat UNC to start the the 2021 season.
• 1:35:20
  I know they weren't great that year, but they did have an elite
• 1:35:21
  offense with the NFL quarterback.
• 1:35:24
  I, I think he was a real head coach prize, not a real head
• 1:35:27
  coach. He just isn't.
• 1:35:29
  He does not possess the attention to detail and the just
• 1:35:32
  the, the in game acumen and the leadership skills that are
• 1:35:35
  required of a normal powerful head coach for all the reasons
• 1:35:37
  that I've just talked about. Because again, the things that
• 1:35:41
  have happened to this program since 2022 do not make any
• 1:35:44
  sense. They, they should not even exist
• 1:35:46
  on a molecular level. It just defies, defies all sorts
• 1:35:49
  of of human intuition as far as what is going on here.
• 1:35:52
  So that's what I have to say. I certainly think the end is
• 1:35:55
  near. I don't know.
• 1:35:55
  I don't know what's going to happen.
• 1:35:56
  But I mean, they're going to have to pull the plug.
• 1:35:58
  Eventually. I mean, if, if we're looking at
• 1:36:02
  it like if, if you're talking about what where pride would fit
• 1:36:04
  in, Pride would be a much better general manager of a of a
• 1:36:08
  program and as far as like being able to.
• 1:36:11
  Not this one though, but go ahead.
• 1:36:12
  Not this one, I'm saying, but he would be, he would be better fit
• 1:36:17
  as the the glad hander, the guy that's establishing those
• 1:36:21
  relationships, that's making some of those type of decisions
• 1:36:24
  and not the guy that you want to prepare and win a football game
• 1:36:29
  because that is where he is struggling.
• 1:36:30
  He does a pretty poor job across the board of preparing and
• 1:36:34
  winning football games. And Shelton, to your point, it's
• 1:36:37
  like it flies in the face. It's like it's outlier after
• 1:36:41
  outlier. How can he still lose this?
• 1:36:42
  We're not. We're not getting back to the
• 1:36:44
  mean at all. Here it's still the same.
• 1:36:47
  Thing over and over. It's statistically impossible
• 1:36:50
  for that shit to. Happen.
• 1:36:51
  Look, I want y'all to put this I'm I'm I'm going to throw mine
• 1:36:55
  because I know we got to get down put clean house's last last
• 1:37:01
  thing you put in the chat up there there's. 2.
• 1:37:04
  The the one that the the last one, Which one did you see?
• 1:37:08
  Listen, man, I don't know if he's saying this is torture like
• 1:37:11
  we're being tortured or if he was saying Shelton was a torture
• 1:37:16
  like he was. He was tortured.
• 1:37:17
  I don't know which one. That's how bad things is he.
• 1:37:21
  He made a double sentence. It could mean one of two things.
• 1:37:25
  We don't know. We don't know what's going on,
• 1:37:28
  but this is what I'm going to say.
• 1:37:30
  Y'all are going to go back and listen to this and you're going
• 1:37:32
  to go through all that stuff that Sheldon just sprouted out
• 1:37:36
  for about 10 minutes of nothing but gas.
• 1:37:40
  I had to take my hat off and I couldn't even think about
• 1:37:42
  everything he was saying. Straight gas, gasoline, lighter
• 1:37:47
  fluid, going That's that's it's so hard to even think about all
• 1:37:52
  the stuff he just said. It's no other team that is as
• 1:37:55
  bad as we are since Brent Pryor's been here.
• 1:37:59
  And I got to go back to it again because we keep talking about
• 1:38:01
  money. We're paying this man 4 million
• 1:38:05
  dollars, $4,000,000 to be this bad.
• 1:38:09
  And then on top of that, he gets on the podium after losses and
• 1:38:13
  after bad things happen and goes, I think we got a good
• 1:38:16
  team. No Sir, we don't.
• 1:38:19
  We don't got a good team. We keep losing.
• 1:38:22
  You are one of the main reason that we keep losing and you
• 1:38:25
  won't take accountability for it to fix it.
• 1:38:27
  So I don't know what's going to happen.
• 1:38:31
  I will say this, we are in the age of NRL and we're in the age
• 1:38:36
  of money. You can pay to have a team.
• 1:38:38
  I'm not saying that we have the most money.
• 1:38:41
  But we got some. We we had the money to give
• 1:38:44
  Xavier Chaplain to keep him in Blacksburg.
• 1:38:47
  We had the money to give Monsour Delane to keep him in
• 1:38:49
  Blacksburg. I do believe that.
• 1:38:52
  I just don't think we managed it the right way.
• 1:38:54
  We may have gave other people money that didn't deserve it.
• 1:38:59
  You know, I think we're, we're looking at a situation here
• 1:39:01
  where it might be the classic overcorrect tally where you
• 1:39:05
  know, you, you, you have you brought back all the guys from
• 1:39:09
  23 and it didn't work. And so now you're like, well, we
• 1:39:14
  can't, we can't pay these guys that are asking for more because
• 1:39:17
  we did that last year and we saw what happened there.
• 1:39:19
  So we going to go in the other direction and kind of moneyball
• 1:39:21
  it a little bit. And while you got more depth
• 1:39:24
  overall, I'm not seeing the the star power.
• 1:39:29
  And at the end of the day, you got to make plays and, and if
• 1:39:34
  your coaching staff is not setting you up and preparing you
• 1:39:38
  and adjusting at halftime and, and, and making sure that
• 1:39:44
  everything that you need to do to be prepared to win a football
• 1:39:46
  game is happening, none of that matters.
• 1:39:50
  And, and I think that's the problem is that we talked about
• 1:39:52
  the inconsistency of the execution and the inconsistency
• 1:39:55
  of the players. But at the end of the day, this
• 1:39:58
  staff has been inconsistent with their execution, inconsistent
• 1:40:01
  with their in game decisions, inconsistent with the way they
• 1:40:04
  prepare their team to play and the adjustments that they make
• 1:40:07
  in the game. They have been inconsistent and
• 1:40:10
  we've gotten to a point now where this is who they are.
• 1:40:13
  We thought maybe some shuffles were going to change things.
• 1:40:15
  We had a little bit of hope last week, but they fell on their
• 1:40:18
  face in a must win situation against Vanderbilt.
• 1:40:23
  And yeah, honestly, if they would have won that game, that
• 1:40:26
  would have been the best win in the Brent Pry era and that is
• 1:40:28
  sad to talk about. I'm.
• 1:40:31
  Glad you hit it, Bron, because what you said there about it's
• 1:40:34
  the coaches because I think we watch.
• 1:40:37
  And you do think there are some talented kids on this team.
• 1:40:41
  I had somebody stop by my desk at work the other day and say
• 1:40:43
  we're just not talented. I'm like, no, there's some
• 1:40:47
  talented kids on this team. But the issue is coaches are not
• 1:40:51
  putting them in position to be the most successful.
• 1:40:53
  And like you just said, Brian, we're not adjusting.
• 1:40:56
  We're not getting motivated. I love what Ambrose said a few
• 1:40:58
  minutes ago because, you know, Shelton, you've been around, you
• 1:41:03
  know, sports programs. Tally, Brian, y'all played.
• 1:41:06
  What did he say to them in the locker room?
• 1:41:09
  You're up 10 points that that might have been the quote of the
• 1:41:11
  night. What did you say to them?
• 1:41:13
  You are up 10 points. You had forced 2 fumbles.
• 1:41:17
  You hit Pavia a few times, you'd driven the ball a few times.
• 1:41:20
  The scores. What did you say to them that
• 1:41:23
  literally made them check out? And that is what a coach is not
• 1:41:27
  supposed to do. Get your players to check out
• 1:41:30
  and completely just shit the bed in half when you're up 10.
• 1:41:34
  This wasn't a high game. Yeah, they they don't have them
• 1:41:37
  mentally tough to withstand, stand when they get punched
• 1:41:42
  back. I know who told you that.
• 1:41:44
  I know who told you that. I ain't saying it on Lair
• 1:41:46
  tonight. But we know who said that.
• 1:41:47
  We know who said that. I do.
• 1:41:49
  They're they're, they're not mentally tough, man.
• 1:41:51
  They they get punched and then they fold and now they might
• 1:41:54
  have enough talent to stay in a game and a couple times still
• 1:41:57
  get the win, but when they get punched they they fold.
• 1:42:00
  It's true. All right.
• 1:42:01
  So, Shelton, what happened Saturday?
• 1:42:06
  You don't have to even give me a record.
• 1:42:07
  You can just say win or loss. Yeah, I mean, I think they'll, I
• 1:42:11
  think I think they'll win. The thing is, like a lot of
• 1:42:13
  people are talking about, you know, like, oh, what happens if
• 1:42:17
  we lose to ODU? I'm actually worried about the
• 1:42:18
  opposite. I'm worried what happens if we
• 1:42:20
  beat up on ODU and Wofford and finish six and six or dare say
• 1:42:23
  even 7 and five? I know it sounds crazy, but I
• 1:42:25
  still think it's a possibility. Like we're just going to be
• 1:42:28
  stuck in, you know, purgatory. You know, maybe some people feel
• 1:42:32
  differently about pride, maybe against another year, I don't
• 1:42:34
  know. But I'm worried about things
• 1:42:35
  kind of leveling out and people sort of seeing like, Oh my gosh,
• 1:42:38
  you know, we're not as bad as we thought and sort of using it as
• 1:42:41
  a reason to justify the further complacency.
• 1:42:44
  So that's my biggest fear because if we if we bottom out,
• 1:42:45
  you're like, OK, you know, you just get rid of pride and we'll
• 1:42:48
  move on. But if we kind of just, you
• 1:42:50
  know, float around the middle, that's going to be that's going.
• 1:42:53
  To be worse. Not saying, not saying I'm
• 1:42:55
  rooting for us to lose. But lame duck is worse than an
• 1:42:57
  interim head coach at this. Damn right it is, Brian.
• 1:43:03
  I'm again, I'm picking us to lose because this is our
• 1:43:06
  principle at this point. It's on.
• 1:43:09
  It's on principle at this point. Show me you can win a game OD
• 1:43:13
  U's quarterback can run, so could Diego Pavia.
• 1:43:16
  I'm worried that we're going to see some of the same things
• 1:43:19
  happen in this game. I mean, you know, you watch Ben
• 1:43:23
  Bell completely run with the dive man in the triple option
• 1:43:26
  and like way out of position. Like that's not that's not your
• 1:43:30
  responsibility, bro. That's not your responsibility.
• 1:43:33
  Play your responsibility, be smart and that's coaching.
• 1:43:37
  It goes back to coaching. He should be coached good enough
• 1:43:39
  to not chase that ball like that.
• 1:43:42
  Chase that play man. And at the end of the day, you
• 1:43:45
  got to be disciplined, especially when you're playing a
• 1:43:48
  triple option offense, especially when you're playing a
• 1:43:50
  team that has a mobile quarterback.
• 1:43:52
  When the play breaks down, they can make a play with their legs
• 1:43:55
  and you got an extra blocker when you got a mobile
• 1:43:58
  quarterback that can run the football.
• 1:44:00
  So you've got to be in position. And they didn't show me that
• 1:44:04
  against a Vanderbilt team. I'm hoping they show me that
• 1:44:08
  against ODU, but I'm not picking it, picking them to win again
• 1:44:12
  until they show me they can win again.
• 1:44:14
  All right, I'm going to go next because I won't tally close it
• 1:44:17
  out. I think what Shelton just says
• 1:44:20
  is probably right. I think we're going to win
• 1:44:22
  because again, I think there is talent on this team and I think
• 1:44:25
  there are a few players who what are they trying to do?
• 1:44:28
  They're trying to get more money.
• 1:44:29
  They're trying to make it to the next level.
• 1:44:31
  Predatory. Great.
• 1:44:32
  When Where the hell you been, Jim?
• 1:44:34
  I expected to meet Jim tonight. Jim, you were late.
• 1:44:38
  I'm upset, but I think we went. I don't, but I don't think it's
• 1:44:41
  pretty. I don't think it's one of those.
• 1:44:43
  We punch him in the face. I think it's going to be a damn
• 1:44:46
  grind fest. So get your bourbon, get your
• 1:44:48
  cigarettes, get your dip out. If you drink beer, do that.
• 1:44:52
  But get ready for a grind fest Saturday night, Callie.
• 1:44:57
  If I got to do it, I really don't want to do it.
• 1:44:59
  It's won a lot, yeah. I'll say kind of what Curtis is
• 1:45:03
  saying, I think it's going to be, you know, a grind fest.
• 1:45:07
  You know, I think we pull it out, but I don't think it's
• 1:45:11
  pretty. We may end up winning by 10,
• 1:45:13
  something like that. Seven, I don't know, but I don't
• 1:45:15
  want to pick them to win just because I'm pissed and I see
• 1:45:18
  what they keep doing. But I will say this, Chad, if
• 1:45:23
  y'all don't know, I will be in Vegas this weekend.
• 1:45:26
  So I won't watch a lick of this fucking game.
• 1:45:29
  I won't watch nothing. But if y'all want to send me
• 1:45:32
  some money, I'll give you my cash out.
• 1:45:34
  I can put all of our money on Brett Pryor being fired and we
• 1:45:37
  might make enough money and we can get at least one player.
• 1:45:41
  I mean, odds are kind of looking good right now.
• 1:45:45
  Let's just double it up, put as much money in there as possible.
• 1:45:48
  I'll shoot y'all to you know the screenshot of me going and
• 1:45:51
  dropping it in there? That might be the play.
• 1:45:54
  That might be the play. That might be the play because
• 1:45:56
  it's pretty high right now. And I think the feel from
• 1:45:59
  everybody, and this is not only us, this is other podcasters,
• 1:46:03
  it's a tech sideline. This is it's going to happen.
• 1:46:06
  The question is when? So now that being said, now,
• 1:46:09
  Tally, I hope you you going to go to a sports book, get some
• 1:46:13
  free drinks and let your bets down that you can't do that.
• 1:46:17
  Yeah, yeah. Let's get to it.
• 1:46:19
  Big screeners, You know, like, like, was it Josh that said that
• 1:46:24
  he was watching the Michigan, Oklahoma game while ours was on?
• 1:46:27
  Me and Brian were too. But there we go.
• 1:46:30
  There's the current records. Everybody two and two last week.
• 1:46:36
  No, you were, you were three and you were three and. 1/3 and one
• 1:46:40
  baby, three and one. Let's fire this up.
• 1:46:43
  Let me get my picks up here. All right?
• 1:46:47
  We are my game. I am taking the Clemson in
• 1:46:52
  Georgia Tech Georgia Tech a home dog at plus 3 1/2.
• 1:46:57
  Clemson Doo dooed all over itself last Saturday afternoon.
• 1:47:00
  I think they were lucky with the lightning delay that that
• 1:47:04
  somewhat even them out. I think they get refocused
• 1:47:07
  because as much as I hate Dabo, for some reason he knows how to
• 1:47:11
  get his kids focused. I think it is a good game
• 1:47:15
  against Georgia Tech, but 3 1/2 is not enough to cover.
• 1:47:18
  I think Clemson wins by a touchdown.
• 1:47:21
  Give me Clemson, Shelton. Yeah, I'll take Clemson, too.
• 1:47:24
  Like you said, I like Dabo to have his guys ready to kind of
• 1:47:27
  punch back after a couple of underwhelming performances the
• 1:47:29
  first two weeks. Dabo brings his own guts, so
• 1:47:36
  we're going to go with Clemson. I am also rocking with with
• 1:47:43
  Clemson in this one, kind of like Curtis and, and Sheldon
• 1:47:47
  said they're, I think they've they've had one game where they
• 1:47:51
  didn't really play the way they wanted to.
• 1:47:52
  They had another game where they completely laid an egg.
• 1:47:54
  I think this is going to be a focused team in a conference
• 1:47:58
  matchup that they're going to need to win to keep their hopes
• 1:48:02
  alive for post season play. So give me Clemson here.
• 1:48:06
  All righty. Yeah, we go next one.
• 1:48:10
  Hallie, this is your this is the one you putting all the money on
• 1:48:13
  Saturday night right when you in Vegas getting your free drinky
• 1:48:15
  drinks there. We go, I'm going to go with, I'm
• 1:48:17
  going to go with Notre Dame, man.
• 1:48:19
  I'm going to go with Notre Dame here.
• 1:48:20
  I just feel like 6 1/2 is, you know, it's going to be a
• 1:48:26
  touchdown game at least, and I feel like Notre Dame will be the
• 1:48:29
  ones that's going to take it so. Fine.
• 1:48:34
  Yeah, I'm going Notre Dame too. I think A&M is still fool's
• 1:48:38
  gold, man. Give me the Irish.
• 1:48:42
  Yeah, I'm, I'm with you, Brian. I watch pieces of both the UTSA
• 1:48:47
  game and the Utah State game and it did not look pretty where
• 1:48:53
  Notre Dame was in a freaking war down at South Beach, battled all
• 1:48:57
  the way back, Damn near pulled that off against Miami.
• 1:49:00
  I think home cooking is going to help them and and tally it's I
• 1:49:05
  think what you said is right. It's like a touchdown game.
• 1:49:08
  So when it's like this and I like Notre Dame more, I'm going
• 1:49:11
  to go Notre Dame. Yeah, I'm going.
• 1:49:15
  I'm going to or excuse me? No, pardon me, I'm going.
• 1:49:17
  A&M, Really. No particular reason.
• 1:49:19
  No, I just picked them. I honestly don't know much about
• 1:49:22
  these teams. He's not.
• 1:49:24
  All of us picked Notre Dame and he just zigzagged on it, you
• 1:49:27
  know? What?
• 1:49:27
  You know what? Just take them.
• 1:49:31
  There we go. Next up, Sheldon.
• 1:49:35
  Yes, Backyard Brawl. I was really excited about this
• 1:49:38
  match up. Even though West Virginia had a
• 1:49:42
  really ugly outing last week. I for some reason, I just like
• 1:49:46
  them to bounce back. I think they're going to be
• 1:49:47
  motivated to kick the rivals ass of our heated rivalry.
• 1:49:50
  So I'm going, I'm going Mountaineers.
• 1:49:53
  Mountaineers, there we go. There we go.
• 1:49:56
  Tally. I hate both of these teams, but
• 1:49:59
  I hate the Mountaineers a little bit more, so I couldn't pick
• 1:50:01
  them, so I picked Pitt. They're an emotional.
• 1:50:04
  Pick hey. Sometimes you got to go with the
• 1:50:07
  emotions, man. I I went the other way.
• 1:50:10
  I'm kind of with Shelton on this one.
• 1:50:11
  I think West Virginia has not played that great a football so
• 1:50:15
  far. I think that they kind of circle
• 1:50:17
  the wagons a little bit. They're ready to play in this
• 1:50:19
  one. I think it's going to come down
• 1:50:21
  to A1 score game. I think it's going to be under a
• 1:50:23
  touchdown, so I'll take West Virginia here.
• 1:50:26
  You're taking West Virginia. I'm riding with Tally on this
• 1:50:30
  one because not necessarily that I hate West Virginia or
• 1:50:33
  anything, but West Virginia put up 10 points against Ohio.
• 1:50:38
  Ohio. And yes, that was not on the
• 1:50:41
  road. That was at Mountaineer Field in
• 1:50:46
  Morgantown saying y'all what? Know what Narduzzi likes to.
• 1:50:50
  He likes rough salt in people's wounds.
• 1:50:52
  I think he going to go up there. I think they going to kick their
• 1:50:54
  ass by about 14 points. We're going.
• 1:50:58
  To see. We're going to see.
• 1:50:59
  We are going to see Brian. Oh, first of all, can we just
• 1:51:08
  say why isn't game day here? Why isn't game day here?
• 1:51:11
  Why isn't game day here? Because it's a 17 1/2 point
• 1:51:15
  spread. And well, and, and that's,
• 1:51:18
  that's one of the problems with with when we were looking at
• 1:51:21
  because I threw this game, I was like, give me that game.
• 1:51:23
  And then I saw the spread. I was like 17 1/2.
• 1:51:26
  Yeah. 17 1/2 may may, maybe if it was like 14 or 15 in a hook
• 1:51:32
  maybe, but like 17 1/2 that's a lot of points.
• 1:51:36
  So I think y'all know where I'm going with this one.
• 1:51:39
  South Florida, man, that's too many points.
• 1:51:41
  The way they played, they played really well.
• 1:51:44
  They got some two big wins. I don't think this is going to
• 1:51:47
  be a game where they are outmatched or overmatched.
• 1:51:51
  I think they even if they get down, they'll have the ability
• 1:51:53
  to punch back late. So I think that at worse you're
• 1:51:56
  going to get a back door cover here.
• 1:51:58
  So South Florida for me. Brian, I believe I I lost my
• 1:52:05
  damn place here. You're next South Florida, South
• 1:52:10
  Florida, yeah, you came y'all stadium is worse and not as loud
• 1:52:16
  and not as raucous. So yeah, y'all aren't Florida on
• 1:52:20
  that. But I just think the way it's
• 1:52:23
  go, the way that South Florida has been coached, they came out
• 1:52:28
  beat the living shit out of Boise.
• 1:52:31
  Like just literally got punched on that first drive.
• 1:52:33
  And then just, yeah, we've all seen these funny fights on
• 1:52:36
  YouTube and stuff where somebody gets hit in the face, they get
• 1:52:39
  sick, and then they just throw like 7 haymakers in a row.
• 1:52:41
  That's what they did to Boise. And then they got in a fist
• 1:52:44
  fight down the swamp. I think.
• 1:52:46
  I think they're going to lose, but 17 is just way too much
• 1:52:50
  delay. I mean, that's so many points
• 1:52:51
  delay, especially the way they play.
• 1:52:53
  Yeah. Sheldon yeah, I'm taking S
• 1:52:56
  order. That's that's a lot of points
• 1:52:58
  there. They can lose by 17.
• 1:52:59
  I don't think 17 1/2. Yeah, and that's what I said.
• 1:53:05
  I was like it could be 3 scores but it's not going to be more
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  than 17. Yeah, and I'm feeling the same
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  way. I'm like 17 1/2 was too many.
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  It might be 14 and maybe 17. I think Miami's the more
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  talented team and will win, but I I don't think that they'll
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  beat them by 21 points, 18 points, anything like that.
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  Sorry to cover your face up tally, but sure.
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  Yeah, no, it's all good. All right, well there it is
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  right there that are our pics for this week.
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  Listen, I'm going to say it again before we wrap it up.
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  Appreciate everybody. Hey people, everybody in the
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  chat tonight. Y'all lit it up.
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  But we we would tell everybody to come on and talk for
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  everybody that came on and talked and gave their piece.
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  That's what we want. That's what we want.
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  We had so many different viewpoints, so many different
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  angles, and tonight is something Brian had wanted to do for a
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  while. And like, we found the perfect
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  spot to do it because everybody's pissed right now
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  because ain't nobody happy love to hearing y'all's viewpoints on
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  that. And with that being said, let's
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  wrap up this episode of the Boundary Corner podcast.
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