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Diogenes Club | E19 - Smart Choices In Tough Situations · Diogenes Club

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  SPEAKER_02: Good afternoon, everyone.
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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome.
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  SPEAKER_02: As you start coming on in, I'm going to try and pull it up on my side.
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  SPEAKER_02: There we are.
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  SPEAKER_02: We look live in Substack.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hey, what's up, y'all?
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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome.
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  SPEAKER_02: As you start coming on in,
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm Nick Paro,
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  SPEAKER_02: not your dad,
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  SPEAKER_02: joined by my good friend,
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  SPEAKER_02: Dr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Eric Lulove,
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  SPEAKER_02: medical editor,
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  SPEAKER_02: Blue Ant Media.
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  SPEAKER_01: Who's actually in town this week.
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  SPEAKER_02: Who's not traveling.
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  SPEAKER_02: Who's not traveling.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not in 35,000 feet.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not at the hotel lobby,
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  SPEAKER_02: not walking around Germany,
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not Not in St.
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  SPEAKER_02: Louis,
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  not anywhere You're back home in Florida Welcome everyone to
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  today's Diogenes Club
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  SPEAKER_02: here on Sick of this Shit Publications Again,
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm Nick Paro,
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  SPEAKER_02: not your dad Joined by my friend Eric Lulove Eric,
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  SPEAKER_02: how are you today man?
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  SPEAKER_01: I am actually doing really well I'm actually having a good week,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's been a good week Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean
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  That was a great show you did with Lev today Congratulations
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  Lev's actually not
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  that complicated of a guy He really isn't He's kind of who he
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  is And I've had the
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  pleasure of really getting to know him like you have And I
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  think people need to
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  kind of stop being judgy And start looking at substance and
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  character of people
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  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, listen, we've all made mistakes.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've all had our errors and misjudgments in life, right?
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  Which is kind of what our show topic is today of,
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  you know,
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  smart choices and tough situations.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, listen, we've all had our gotcha moments, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: But if we don't allow people to atone once they take accountability,
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  SPEAKER_01: then we can't get past the things that hold us back.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right from not just a mental health,
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  but a physical health from our political discourse to our
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  family discourse to our
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  SPEAKER_01: business discourse,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's got to start with accountability.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know how you feel about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh,
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  SPEAKER_01: yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: Eric,
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  SPEAKER_01: we love medical editor of media to my immediate left is Nick Paro,
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  who is so sick of this shit that he actually created a show in
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  a publication
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  SPEAKER_01: company called sick of this shit.
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  so yeah coming on actually coming on one year now I know really
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  actively onSubstack
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  thanks I got fired from my last job on the fourth of July last
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  year and since then
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  I came out swinging I think that was really I think that was
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  one of the first times
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  SPEAKER_02: that I've confronted a really tough situation like that and
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  SPEAKER_02: did the most positive choice I could out of it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it wasn't the most intelligent.
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  SPEAKER_02: It probably wasn't the best financial choice to go this route.
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  I probably could have found eventually another job in the tech
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  field and continued
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  SPEAKER_02: working in tech and doing software development for somebody else.
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  And I would probably be at a decent company making pretty good
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  money doing it.
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  but I chose not to and I needed to not do it I needed to so
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  like maybe thinking on
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  tough situations I got fired a year ago and I didn't know what
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  the fuck to do and
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  instead of going into what I where I could have gone super
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  depressive and really
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  like angry about all of it and blame everybody else for the
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  situation I started
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  SPEAKER_02: writing poetry
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  I made a smarter choice I made a choice to confront it to
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  address what was
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  happening and to evaluate myself during it and see where I
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  needed to be and what
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  SPEAKER_02: wasn't working and since then I have like I feel better I feel good I'm
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  SPEAKER_02: not working 100 hours a week.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm your life has better purpose.
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  SPEAKER_02: You've repurposed.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, my life has purpose again.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not it's not a better purpose.
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  SPEAKER_02: My life has purpose outside of work.
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  My life actually revolves around living and trying to live and
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  and grow and
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  Interact and i've made friends in ways that i hadn't before
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  yeah i've been growing
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  my beard too if y'all have noticed it's getting a little
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  poofier on the side right
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  now because i'm trying to get the length down um because i sit
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  at home and i'll
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  braid it occasionally it's actually quite a bit longer than it
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  looks because i have
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  very curly beard hair so it's actually closer to down to like
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  here on my chest if i
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  SPEAKER_02: were to straighten it so i'm really trying to go wizardy um
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  it's been it's been years since I've shaved but I um I think
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  it's really important
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  that we make these smart choices for ourselves I got you
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  laughing just just the
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  fact that you called yourself wizardy I mean okay Dumbledore if
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  you know if you
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  SPEAKER_02: know much about me like the background things that I've got like I
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  my handles that I use now for like software development on my
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  personal side all
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  wizard themed I am in the background on shows I'm the tech
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  wizard we embraced the
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  fantasy side for myself because it's fun and hopefully we come
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  back onSubstack I
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  SPEAKER_02: see us blipping in and out
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  so hopefully we'll still be here on Substack sorry everyone for
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  the blip outs that
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  they do it that's always a little bit weird but yeah like I
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  confronted that
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  situation and actually took mental health for myself into
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  account and crying to my
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  SPEAKER_02: wife not long after all that happened
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  just going I don't know what to do like I don't know how to
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  proceed I don't I can't
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  think past tomorrow right now like I'm so overwhelmed with
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  everything that I
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  couldn't think past the next day or even barely even the week
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  and now I can like
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  SPEAKER_02: plan now we're we're starting to be able to plan again and I can
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  I can breathe and even though we're not in the same financial
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  state we were I can
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  breathe and I feel like a person so there's an artist and I
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  really encourage
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  everybody to like search him out on Spotify or Apple iTunes or
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  whatever there was
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  an artist he was his name is Matt Goss he was in the British
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  band called Bros and
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  SPEAKER_01: he he did a residency at Caesars Palace probably 8 to 10 years ago
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  and he has a song called Strong on his first album he released
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  and you quoted a
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  couple like your language and what you said literally just
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  reminded me of a couple
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  of lyrics that are out of that song and it's a very uplifting
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  song where it was
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  right after where he broke up with his we divorced his wife and
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  he was really in a
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  SPEAKER_01: depression and he wrote the album
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  You know as a result of his entire experience with his divorce
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  and his breakup and
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  everything that happened and but that one particular song he
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  actually performed on
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  Good Morning America one day and because they tapped him to do
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  the theme song for
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  Las Vegas for their TV ads back in 2016 2017 2018 I think so
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  really just incredible
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  music great vocalist he used to perform in Cleopatra's barge
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  and Caesars right next
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  SPEAKER_01: to the Nobu Hotel in that little car that's cool
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  Really it was really like it was really one of those intimate
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  theater settings like
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  you could literally like and be like four feet from which you
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  don't ever get to see
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  in Vegas now because everybody does these these massive
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  residencies and you're 25
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  feet you're 200 feet from the stage and the performers are this
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  big yeah yeah you
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  need a magnifying glass to be able to see that it was just a
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  trigger it's funny how
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  SPEAKER_01: certain things just trigger certain memories
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  and but yeah i'll put in the chat like his name in the album
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  and everything it's
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  just it's it's um very uplift i actually have it on my phone i
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  actually saved it
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  like i have his entire album saved but it's a really it's truly
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  an incredible
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  incredible artist and uh singer and um anyway i love it i'm
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  glad i could bring that
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  memory up for you oh man that was great i like sparking joy
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  like that's what we
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  SPEAKER_02: should be doing we should be sparking joy for each other um
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  Joy is an act of resistance,
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  but it's also one of the main human conditions.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like one of those feel-good type beginning intros.
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  Don't play too much of it because we might get a copyright
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  violation if we go too long.
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  SPEAKER_02: We won't get that copyright violation on YouTube.
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  SPEAKER_02: Don't ding us, YouTube.
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  I just want to play the first couple like bars knowing you have
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  it's like kind of
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  like a phone trace you have like eight seconds yeah and cut
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  intro and done so you
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  know you and I have talked a lot last couple weeks you know
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  yeah off offline um
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  there's been a lot of turmoil within Substack with creators and
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  situations um
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  I've Been In A Couple You Know We're Constantly I'm Always
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  Being Targeted You Know
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  By The Maha Movement And You Know I Have I Have My Shit To Deal
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  With Too Right We
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  All Have Our Shit Online You Know But Choosing How To You Know
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  It's Easy To Just
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  Block Somebody Right But It's What Happens When The Situation
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  Escalates And When Do
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  SPEAKER_01: You Have To Make Choices
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  SPEAKER_01: to protect your brand,
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  SPEAKER_01: to protect your product line,
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  SPEAKER_01: to protect your investment,
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  SPEAKER_01: to protect your personality,
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  SPEAKER_01: and to protect your family.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I guess that's kind of where our theme for today is.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's making smart choices in tough situations.
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  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes there's no easy path.
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  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes the hard choice is the one that you don't want to make.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know it seems so simplistic with this.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're not going to get into the situations,
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  SPEAKER_01: but it doesn't matter if it's interpersonal or family,
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  SPEAKER_01: right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Everybody knows my grandmother passed away back in April.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not that I want to air personal family stuff,
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  but there's been some turmoil within the family about how
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  things that I had to deal
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  SPEAKER_01: with did not jive with other members in my family.
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  So I wrote a very detailed email and,
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  you know,
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  kind of put it all out there.
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  And then the person that I was really addressing the email to
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  came back with a two
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  SPEAKER_01: line response.
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  SPEAKER_01: No empathy, no compassion, no understanding and no accountability.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's amazing how many things you cannot do in two sentences.
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  right where three words can make the whole difference like
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  three words can change
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  the whole thing like i'm sorry i understand or i feel i
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  understand what you're
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  going through like no acknowledgement of pain right so i you
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  have it i had a
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  SPEAKER_01: decision to make right i could have relitigated the entire email
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  or I just send a one line email that says my door will remain
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  open when you when
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  SPEAKER_01: you feel right to talk.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's I'm leaving on my term.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's a choice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like,
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if if like last year,
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  SPEAKER_01: a year before,
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  SPEAKER_01: two years ago,
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  SPEAKER_01: three years ago,
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  SPEAKER_01: I was accountable enough to myself to be able to write that email.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm very proud of myself.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm actually, you know, as a as a 55 year old man did not
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  trigger angry to trigger anger right away and make it about me
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  I'm like how can I
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  make the situations not about me and control it more yeah right
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  and I think that's
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  kind of where your series has kind of like led you to believe
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  with a lot of your
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  interviews with a lot of the guys on the platform is we're all
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  trying to do that
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  you know we're all trying not to trigger these base emotions
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  that are just unsavory
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  but we're human it's part of our makeup or I mean you know it's
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  what are they the
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  seven deadly sins right anger and the jealousy let me slot you
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  know sloppy yeah
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  easy how all those kind of are wrapped up into the chief
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  executive of the United
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  States right now I was gonna say that defines one person really
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  freaking well
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  everybody so there was a meme I should have copied it was like
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  he's like he is
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  SPEAKER_01: representing everybody all seven deadly sins
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  yeah seven deadly sins the four horsemen of the apocalypse like
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  he represents he's
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  pretty pretty representative and yeah like I I totally
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  understand where you're
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  coming from in all of this because like you know we you and I
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  talk offline too
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  SPEAKER_02: because we are friends outside of just our shows which brings me
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  yeah me too me too I am I am eternally grateful for it because
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  I that was one of
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  the things that I missed and have had missed as an adult for a
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  long time was really
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  having friends I could talk to and I love my wife like my wife
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  and I have been
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  SPEAKER_02: married for 10 years for 11 years sorry um
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  and we have been we are so we're so happy like we love each
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  other she is my best
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  friend and I married my best friend that said I still need
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  other companions that
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  are not my wife I need other friends and coming here making
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  important making that
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  hard choice to come to Substack when I did after getting firing
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  getting fired from
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  SPEAKER_01: my last job
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  helped me make friends like that wasn't what I was aiming for
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  while I was here but
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  it did and then thinking about something you were just saying
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  in your for the email
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  about the accountability and the apologies and way people try
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  to seek understanding
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  SPEAKER_02: with each other in situations that are difficult
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  is something that Walter said during our friend Walter Rine
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  said during his
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  intelligent masculinity discussion with me was the unqualified
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  apologies and
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  when somebody makes an apology about them and turns it into
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  what else do you need
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  to apologize for is that person tends to be really toxic for
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  you and they aren't
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  where you should be putting your energy and they aren't where
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  you should be
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  focusing your sphere of influence until they're ready to come
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  back into it and if
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  SPEAKER_02: they aren't they stay out of it
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a sentence in here that when I was doing some,
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  I was kind of doing some research through some psychological
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  textbooks to try to
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  SPEAKER_01: like understand.
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  It's like I had to remind myself that the email that I had
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  received from my family
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  SPEAKER_01: member wasn't,
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  SPEAKER_01: the coldness wasn't aimed at me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like the way that the email was phrased, it was very cold.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was very uninviting.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was very plastic.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it's the pattern doing what the pattern does.
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  And now that I'm able to see everything,
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  people are patterned animals,
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  right?
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  SPEAKER_01: We are patterned mammals, okay?
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  SPEAKER_01: And the reframing that I did in my response was,
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  SPEAKER_01: instead of me saying,
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  SPEAKER_01: how do I get this person to acknowledge what they've done?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not gonna happen, right?
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  But it's,
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  what do I do knowing that this person's not going to
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  acknowledge it?
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  it's it's understanding who you're who the audience that you're
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  trying to direct it
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  to and it's a trap situation really for everybody because the
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  first response is I
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  need to relitigate this I need to be right I have to have my I
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  have to have my my
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  righteous indignation about how I've been hurt and that's not
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  it's never helped
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  SPEAKER_01: intelligent it's not helpful it's not intelligent
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  It's not making a smart choice because the righteous
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  indignation leads to an
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  impulse action because you're not you're allowing emotions to
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  bring your decision
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  making to cause your judgment and I this is that whole point of
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  taking 10 seconds
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  to stop and slow down and just okay wait a minute I don't have
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  to respond to this
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  SPEAKER_01: right away you take a deep breath and let me just kind of figure this out
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  and that's you know it's not about my worth it's about how they
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  see themselves and
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  that's the issue yeah I'm the healthy one here yeah how and you
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  know so like I've
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  been I've been having a rougher week than and I've had some
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  rough weeks and I've
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  I have been making sure to take time for myself mental health
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  breaks where I need
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  them um if everybody saw my post the other picture the other
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  day I made a brand new
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  lego set it's the otter sea otters I see that by the way
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  speaking of legos did you
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  SPEAKER_01: see the one that Frederick posted oh no don't drop it
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, the Broken White House one?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was epic.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was classic.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that one.
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  So we got a little baby who can come off and his tail moves and
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  his feet and
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  SPEAKER_02: flippers move and mom's hands and feet move.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just this was an early Father's Day present for me from the family.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm so, so happy they gave it to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: They know I love Legos and my favorite animal.
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  is the otter and so that got me a really cute otter set I love
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  it and it's fun and
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  it makes me happy and I took a day to do it I took Tuesday I
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  didn't have any shows
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  so I sat down and I made my Lego set because I needed a mental
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  health break instead
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  SPEAKER_02: of possibly responding negatively or in a way that would have been
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  Harmful For Myself I Step Back And I'm Letting Myself Process
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  And I'm Taking The
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  Time Where I Need And Researching And Doing Things For Myself
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  To Protect Myself In
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  Different Ways But Also I'm Not Letting It Rule I'm Not Letting
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  Events That Are Not
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  SPEAKER_02: Real I'm Not Letting Things That Are Not Real Rule My World
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  and I'm focusing in on what I know to be the truth and what I
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  know everyone else
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  SPEAKER_02: knows to be truth in different areas and just in general.
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  And I'm going to continue not letting myself get sucked in and
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  respond negatively
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  SPEAKER_02: to situations that I don't have to.
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  and Eric you you and I talked a little bit on some different on
• 21:50
  different things
• 21:50
  throughout the week and last week and and it's been really
• 21:57
  wonderful to have your
• 21:58
  friendship be able to and your words be able to help me and be
• 22:06
  able to let me
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_02: breathe through my emotions and
• 22:12
  you didn't when we were on the phone the other day just talking
• 22:16
  you let me have my
• 22:18
  emotions and you didn't tell me none of it was fake you didn't
• 22:23
  try and stop me from
• 22:25
  feeling you but but you came at it with me constructively and
• 22:31
  you helped help me
• 22:32
  guide myself through those emotions and you asked me questions
• 22:37
  that let me evaluate
• 22:41
  and i think we really need friends like that we need friends
• 22:44
  who are willing to
• 22:44
  question it's it's not even questioning it's more about like i
• 22:49
  asked i let you have
• 22:50
  your i let you have your moment right and and then i said well
• 22:56
  and i'm not a mental
• 22:57
  health therapist so i have no training in psychology and i have
• 22:59
  no training in
• 23:01
  mental health issues i just it's listen 20 20 plus years of
• 23:05
  sitting across from
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: patients you'll learn a few you're doing it right
• 23:10
  and I wasn't treating you like a patient I was talking to you
• 23:12
  like a friend and as
• 23:13
  a friend it's let me hear what he has to say let me ask a
• 23:18
  couple questions to make
• 23:19
  him think deeper about where he's at and then help formulate a
• 23:24
  plan if he wants to
• 23:26
  hear it and I believe I asked her I said well do you want to
• 23:29
  hear my opinion I
• 23:31
  didn't offer it without asking because I wasn't sure where you
• 23:34
  you know I need to
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_01: you have to be okay with to hear it right it's it's it's
• 23:38
  Communication is about listening and then and then being able
• 23:42
  to be receptive when
• 23:44
  the other person is ready to listen yeah and it's about it's
• 23:47
  about listening it's
• 23:48
  really everything about human communication is not about
• 23:51
  speaking it's about
• 23:52
  listening and I think we have to all listen more we have to
• 23:58
  listen better or we
• 24:00
  like to say to at home is listen louder it's not really a
• 24:05
  meaningful statement
• 24:08
  but listen louder like let your ears be more open to the things
• 24:13
  around you and
• 24:14
  pause and think on them and you have to remind me of that and I
• 24:18
  was in the space to
• 24:20
  hear it and I think and I'm really glad that you didn't force
• 24:26
  an opinion on me and
• 24:29
  I appreciate it and I know anytime and same back to you is but
• 24:33
  at the same time you
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: didn't have to you could have
• 24:37
  just said here's my opinion on it here's what I think you
• 24:40
  should do but you that
• 24:42
  doesn't make me a good person no I know but you gave me the
• 24:46
  space for me to to hear
• 24:48
  and say that and hear that I needed to hear it and we need
• 24:53
  friends like that we
• 24:54
  need like I said we need people in our lives who are willing to
• 24:58
  listen who are not
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_02: our spouse who are not um because our spouses
• 25:04
  hear us all the time we're we're with them a lot and we need
• 25:08
  more artists to tune
• 25:09
  out or they tune us out at times so many years you just click
• 25:14
  and that's natural
• 25:15
  like that's not that's not a weird thing like that's just
• 25:18
  natural human interaction
• 25:20
  we need friends who are willing to be there and just listen
• 25:25
  outside because we need
• 25:26
  more opinions and for men especially right now a lot of men
• 25:31
  don't have a friend
• 25:32
  a male friend that they could ever say those things to that
• 25:37
  they could ever feel
• 25:38
  comfortable feeling these emotions to and then letting somebody
• 25:43
  say hey can I offer
• 25:45
  you a suggestion take it or leave it and I learned that from
• 25:49
  therapy was somebody
• 25:50
  in my therapy group who said it really well was he learned that
• 25:58
  he needed to
• 25:59
  put in his if you wanted to put in an opinion or a suggestion
• 26:04
  that the most
• 26:05
  receptive people ever are to those is when it's a when it comes
• 26:10
  at you as you can
• 26:11
  take this or leave it it it's not an issue I'm just offering
• 26:15
  this if you want it
• 26:18
  and then be willing to offer and that way you're not
• 26:21
  mansplaining you're not over
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_02: explaining you're not taking taking over their emotions
• 26:27
  you're offering a path for them to maybe access their own
• 26:32
  emotions in a different
• 26:33
  way so in preparation for today's show I went back and I
• 26:37
  streamed the last week of
• 26:41
  Joe Rogan show yeah oh god and I that's awful well that's why
• 26:50
  there was a bottle of
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: bourbon is it empty now like it's pretty empty um
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: So and I was looking at it from a scientific perspective.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't like listening for content.
• 27:03
  It was not the content of why I was listening to because I
• 27:05
  can't listen to that shit.
• 27:06
  But it's it's what I was trying to follow was the pattern of
• 27:10
  his shows and trying
• 27:11
  to understand like how he frames his show into whether or not
• 27:16
  the topic of
• 27:17
  conversation that they're bringing up is even substantive and
• 27:22
  how many layers they
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: get.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: Man, this is like a road rash.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's like his show is like a road rash.
• 27:28
  It literally strips the skin down to like the bleeding dermis
• 27:33
  and that's about as
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: deep as it gets.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's harsh enough that it makes you hurt.
• 27:38
  It's harsh enough that it makes you feel pain or feel whatever
• 27:41
  they want you to feel.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: and that and then they leave you there without any dressings,
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: no burn ointments,
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: no hydrogels,
• 27:49
  no occlusive dressings to help start the process to get past
• 27:53
  the damage that
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: they've done.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: And this is the same.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: This is the right wing magosphere.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: With influencing.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: Podcasts.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: They literally the whole thing is like a road rash.
• 28:09
  This they strip the upper level skin,
• 28:11
  knowing how much it's going to hurt.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: and they don't give a shit.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: They don't care what kind of damage they do.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_02: No, because the damage is the point.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's the point.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's it winds up being this very damaging.
• 28:25
  So in essence,
• 28:27
  they're creating situations where they don't want people making
• 28:31
  smart choices.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's the whole point of the of dismantling the education department.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's the whole the entire administration as eugenic as it is.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: and as Dogey as you want to make it and as Maha as you want to make it.
• 28:46
  I mean,
• 28:46
  think of all these terms that we have to use to now explain
• 28:48
  this government.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: We have Maha, Doge, eugenicists, you know, scuttling.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're thieves, rapists, pedophiles.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like, who, who, we don't talk like this.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: We never, not, I mean, I can remember eight years of Obama.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: There wasn't a single scandal
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: that I can think of off the top of my head.
• 29:12
  I think they went the entire administration without a single
• 29:14
  real scandal.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: Zero.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: And, and, oh, what was the scandal?
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, he's, oh, wait, he's black.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: Michelle looks like a man.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: Michelle looks like a man.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: What the fuck are you people talking about?
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I, like, we don't normally comment on...
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: If that's all you have,
• 29:35
  then you know what then he was the greatest goddamn president
• 29:38
  of my entire life if
• 29:39
  you're you're just mad about the tan suit and you're just a
• 29:43
  racist because you want
• 29:44
  to make fun of black women um because you're afraid of
• 29:49
  intelligence and women in
• 29:51
  general like you just show your whole ass racist ass when you
• 29:55
  do those things and
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: that and that's the point it's it's
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: The situation's not tough,
• 30:01
  but you're choosing to not make a smart choice because you're
• 30:05
  believing the fear,
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: you're believing the bullshit,
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: you're believing the lies,
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: which clouds your judgment,
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: which makes you stupid because you're not processing properly.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to say stupid.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: It makes you unintelligent.
• 30:20
  Well,
• 30:21
  if you want to think about it from,
• 30:22
  say,
• 30:24
  flushing it out the other side of your brain.
• 30:26
  Because they don't want you to think They don't want us
• 30:29
  thinking Thinking people
• 30:31
  are dangerous people Because that means that they actually
• 30:33
  research And they look
• 30:34
  and they see through the lies They see the truth for what it is
• 30:38
  You can see the
• 30:39
  forest through the trees You can see things from 38,000 feet
• 30:43
  And they don't want
• 30:44
  that They want everybody microcosmed And microchannel These are
• 30:52
  words that I never
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: thought I would ever be using in my entire lifetime
• 30:58
  yeah microcosms micro micro thinking micro climatizing micro
• 31:04
  communities I I wasn't
• 31:07
  raised this way as a Gen Xer I want to see this I want to see
• 31:13
  world I want to see
• 31:14
  wide view I want the wide angle lens yeah give me all the in
• 31:19
  let me make the choice
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: yeah like
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: The small mindedness is one thing.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_02: Naida, you don't have to be respectful.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_02: They don't have any emotional smarts.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: They don't have any emotional intelligence.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_02: In fact,
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_02: the whole process of this destructive system,
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_02: this regressive system is anti-emotional intelligence.
• 31:54
  they believe that empathy is a flaw and that you can have
• 31:59
  something called toxic
• 32:00
  empathy um which sure maybe there are people who do have some
• 32:06
  sort of toxic empathy
• 32:07
  and it's toxic to themselves because they're over empathetic to
• 32:11
  other people but
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: there's more
• 32:14
  or not or not at all but they want to live in a world where
• 32:17
  there's no empathy
• 32:18
  where there's no thought outside of the self and our friend
• 32:22
  Ashley made a really
• 32:23
  good comment in the chat about this and I think part of this is
• 32:28
  one of those things
• 32:29
  that is where we can learn to make good choices in tough
• 32:33
  situations from Ashley's
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: comment I think men are determined to be quote fixers
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes when they hear someone talk,
• 32:42
  their head just immediately goes into this person wants me to
• 32:45
  fix this mode.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: How can I fix this mode rather than just listen?
• 32:49
  One of the smartest things I've ever heard was a toast someone
• 32:52
  gave at my cousin's
• 32:53
  wedding and the woman said as advice to the bride and groom for
• 32:58
  them to ask each
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_02: other the question when one has a problem,
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: do you want me to fix this or do you want me to listen?
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I thought that was really smart.
• 33:08
  That's something I learned in therapy and it's also something
• 33:11
  that I have had to
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: learn and it's a skill that we have to practice a lot,
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_02: especially because so many of us are trained with this
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: idea that we need to fix.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_02: So many men are taught from a young age that you have to fix it.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_02: You're a fixer.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_02: You fix things.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_02: You get in there and you solve those problems.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_02: You don't listen.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: You just solve it.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_02: You do it.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: You're going to make the right choice.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: But we're never taught to ask, do you want me to fix this?
• 33:55
  do you want my help right do you need my help and I still do it
• 34:00
  I do it I do it so
• 34:02
  much still and I catch myself like I practice when my wife and
• 34:07
  I talk like if
• 34:08
  there's an issue I catch myself and I have to do it I have to
• 34:11
  use the skills I
• 34:12
  picked up in therapy the stop skills so that I stop myself
• 34:17
  think about it for a
• 34:19
  second it's a stop skill and then go does my wife actually want
• 34:24
  me to fix something
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_02: or does she just need me to listen?
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_02: Does my son,
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_02: does my daughter,
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_02: does my friend,
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_02: does this random person,
• 34:34
  do they want me to fix something or do they just want me to
• 34:38
  listen or do they not
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_02: even want me at all?
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_02: And that's okay too.
• 34:44
  And that's where so many men and not just men,
• 34:48
  so many people get stuck on that last one
• 34:53
  because they take it personally when somebody doesn't want them
• 34:58
  in that immediate moment.
• 35:00
  And then they get mad because they're like,
• 35:01
  but I'm here to fix it for you.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: I'm here to help you.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_02: You're making a wrong.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_02: And then make it about yourself.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: And that's not a smart decision.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_02: That's like unintelligent to the max.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: I want everybody to do an experiment today.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think this will be really therapeutically educational for everyone.
• 35:21
  When you're done with this show,
• 35:22
  just put on Fox News for 10 minutes during one of their shows.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: Hold on.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not asking to trigger anybody.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: So if it's a trigger warning, don't do it.
• 35:35
  What I want everybody to do is look at it from the perspective
• 35:37
  of you're not
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: actually watching the show.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_01: You're watching behavior.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: Listen to the conversations of how they address an issue and
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: versus the actual content of what they're actually saying.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Listen to the wording of how they use words.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: They don't want things fixed.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: They don't want justice for the Epstein victims.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: They don't want the health care system fixed.
• 36:08
  They don't it's not they don't want things getting better
• 36:12
  because then they have
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: nothing to talk about that riles up the emotional state of their viewers.
• 36:21
  because if there's nobody to point the finger at and say that
• 36:27
  person's responsible
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: for your lot in life.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: That person's responsible.
• 36:33
  That's why that's why it's always back to Biden because they
• 36:36
  know that there's no,
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: they can't defend it because he's not talking.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: They have a silent target.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: Now,
• 36:44
  I'm really glad that Hunter's opening up and starting to
• 36:47
  communicate and saying,
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: no,
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: wait a minute.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm calling bullshit.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck you people.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 36:52
  Okay,
• 36:52
  and I'm really,
• 36:53
  I mean,
• 36:53
  for what it's worth,
• 36:54
  Hunter's had his issues.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: Just like we all do.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: We all have our shit.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: We all have our stuff.
• 37:03
  But making smarter choices is also understanding where the
• 37:09
  enemy is attacking,
• 37:10
  right?
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_01: You learn that in the army.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's tactics.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: We're in a war, and it's a war of language.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's a war of syntax.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's a war of emotional motives.
• 37:24
  this is this is the war today it's not it's not with muskets
• 37:29
  and m16s anymore
• 37:31
  that's that's the compound military targeting the targeting
• 37:35
  today is this stuff
• 37:36
  it's what it's the podcast it's the social media it's the
• 37:40
  messaging it's the
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: language it's the the trigger videos it's it's an information war it's an
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: information war so we have to be better consumers of information
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: Some people don't have the ability to do that.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: They just don't have the wherewithal.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: And that's,
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm very proud to,
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 38:06
  and I'm going to remind Ashley that she's got to review the
• 38:08
  article that we're
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: jointly writing together.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: So Ashley, review the damn article.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to dismiss it.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's the article that we are jointly going to publish.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think we'll
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: Say a lot for what I'm talking about right now in a way.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to spill it.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: I want everybody to kind of sit on the edge of their seat.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not divulging the title or anything.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: You'll see it when it comes out.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: But I think it's such an important topic from multiple perspectives,
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: both from the male perspective,
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: the female perspective,
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: social media perspective,
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: where we are as a society and how we deal with situations.
• 38:51
  So I'm looking forward to when this thing actually comes out
• 38:53
  Because it's different
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: for me It's a different type of writing But like I said,
• 39:00
  we're back I lost my other train of thought that I had Because
• 39:03
  this is like four
• 39:04
  different shows we're having today But we're staying on topic
• 39:08
  pretty good In terms
• 39:10
  of like I know what I was going to ask you Because you brought
• 39:14
  your otter leg up Do
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: you know which colleges have the otter as their mascot?
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: I don't.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: Are there any colleges with an otter?
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: There are five.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's cool.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: I knew two of them.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: I had to look up the other three.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: So the first one is California State University at Monterey Bay.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: That makes sense.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: That makes all of the sense.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: That makes all the sense.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: Lewis and Clark College.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's the river otter.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: The College of Western Idaho is River the Otter.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like the Ohio State University.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's Eastern Iowa Community Colleges.
• 40:04
  It's Eddie the River Otter and Chippewa Valley Technical
• 40:08
  College in Western Idaho.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's Ollie the River Otter.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: So those are the five colleges.
• 40:15
  So you'll have to let us know which college your Lego otter is
• 40:21
  going to mask out
• 40:23
  I'll have to think on that There's no otters in Iowa You might
• 40:28
  have the only otter
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: in Iowa In Arkansas,
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_02: yeah I mean,
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_02: we've got the Razorbacks Yeah,
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: but that's a pick Yeah,
• 40:38
  and they're scary as shit Don't mess with the Razorback An
• 40:42
  actual Razorback,
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_02: they're mean
• 40:44
  um they're pretty mean animals uh that's funny um yeah i'll
• 40:49
  have to think on which
• 40:50
  one for the otter um that makes me happy i do the otter is my
• 40:56
  favorite animal um
• 40:58
  and we had we had a really cool um quick aside quick story time
• 41:04
  um when i used to
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_02: live in washington state we went to a beach on the
• 41:10
  Washington Oregon Coast Area it's a glass beach it's filled
• 41:14
  with a lot of old like
• 41:17
  sea glass washes up there don't know why but it collects there
• 41:21
  pretty well and so
• 41:24
  we went out there and we had to hike a little bit to get out
• 41:27
  there and we looked
• 41:27
  out in the ocean and just in the water there there is a big set
• 41:32
  of seaweed and
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_02: there was a family of otters sea otters just in the water
• 41:40
  Then on the shoreline we saw a family of bald eagles who were
• 41:45
  circling the otters
• 41:48
  looking for pups for food and it was very interesting to see
• 41:54
  the otters like
• 41:55
  protecting themselves because you could see like from a
• 41:58
  distance we could see the
• 41:59
  otters like collecting themselves and sort of like hugging to
• 42:03
  each other and you
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_02: saw these eagles just looping around coming to sit
• 42:08
  Looping back around and you're like,
• 42:10
  man,
• 42:10
  they are messing with those otters right now.
• 42:15
  But I bet you that eagle would not have come out of it well had
• 42:19
  they tried it.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: It was an American bald eagle or was it?
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: American bald eagle, yeah.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever seen the talons?
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, they're fine.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: Big, yeah.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're like this big.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_02: They're not a small bird, but they are a smaller eagle compared to some.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_02: Smaller.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_02: The golden eagle.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, the golden eagle is way bigger.
• 42:40
  I've Gotten To See Some Really Cool Sites With Bald Eagles
• 42:44
  They're Out In Nashville
• 42:46
  One Of The Parks Near The Nashville Zoo It's Just Some We Went
• 42:50
  There To Go To The
• 42:53
  Nashville Zoo And They Have There's This Pond Area With A
• 42:57
  Really Nice Trail That
• 42:58
  Goes Around It With A Mating Pair I Think It's Actually At
• 43:02
  Least One Mating Pair Of
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_02: Bald Eagles With A Nest That Has Had Multiple Hatchlings
• 43:09
  and it's really cool to see them we got to see a ton of turtles
• 43:13
  too like there were
• 43:14
  just turtles everywhere in this pond and it made my it made my
• 43:19
  son so happy because
• 43:21
  we would we would walk we were walking down and there were like
• 43:24
  there was a log it
• 43:26
  had like 10 turtles sitting on it and you would just see them
• 43:29
  like jumping in and
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_02: out of the water and swimming made us all so happy
• 43:34
  So we have around around our backyard we have I have Italian
• 43:37
  Cypress trees and I
• 43:38
  have I have Japanese palms right and then one of our Japanese
• 43:42
  palms we have
• 43:43
  northern mockingbirds that have nested cool There's four eggs
• 43:47
  in the nest and the
• 43:48
  mom and it's amazing when you when you actually like get to
• 43:51
  watch this like so the
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: mom will sit in the nest all night and
• 43:57
  like literally will just sit in the nest and then I've got some
• 43:59
  pretty cool photos
• 44:00
  of it because I've walked up to it been pretty close but I
• 44:03
  don't dare disrupt the
• 44:05
  nest at all um but don't she'll she'll fly out of the tree and
• 44:10
  she'll sit on the
• 44:10
  top of the Italian Cypress and just watch me but they know that
• 44:14
  I'm not a threat
• 44:15
  now so now she'll just kind of sit there and not move but I get
• 44:19
  the eye I get the
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: side eye
• 44:21
  I get the side eye but like it's just really interesting to
• 44:25
  watch them in habitat
• 44:26
  because and that's the one thing I and I did some more research
• 44:29
  was that basically
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: like mockingbirds will not reuse a nest.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh interesting.
• 44:35
  Yeah they won't reuse it so once once those hatchlings have
• 44:38
  birthed they are
• 44:40
  they'll and they fly out and they're on their own then I can
• 44:42
  have my landscaper
• 44:43
  come in or I can go in and clean the nest out because they'll
• 44:45
  build a brand new
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: one.
• 44:48
  But it's nice to know that they trust us enough that they're
• 44:50
  willing to build their
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: home with ours.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: And we have an inviting backyard for for life's little nature.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 44:58
  That's actually I mean,
• 44:59
  we're totally off topic right now,
• 45:01
  but that's totally off topic.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: But that's OK.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: But again, it's a smart decision to not mess with the nest.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_01: Not mess with the nest.
• 45:07
  I can't think of how many people are going there and start
• 45:08
  pulling the branches
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_01: down to look inside the nest and grab an egg.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, like, no.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_02: Leave nature alone.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_02: You'll see if you leave it alone.
• 45:17
  it'll it'll expose itself to you for nature like if you let
• 45:21
  nature be nature you'll
• 45:23
  get to see nature be cooler than if you ever try and fuck with
• 45:27
  it kind of like
• 45:28
  human personalities just let them be who they are because they
• 45:30
  will eventually show
• 45:31
  everything you need to see yeah yeah and like that's that's one
• 45:36
  of the reasons well
• 45:37
  one of the reasons why in my area we are actually in like part
• 45:42
  of the heart of
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_02: monarch butterfly migration territory um
• 45:47
  And if you plant trees that flower red really heavily and
• 45:55
  plants that flower red
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_02: really heavily,
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_02: you'll attract monarchs because they nest to them,
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_02: because they blend in with them and it's safe.
• 46:03
  and so when I build my new house and I want to be able to plant
• 46:08
  I want to be able
• 46:09
  to plant some trees that are really red and vibrant for
• 46:12
  butterflies because I want
• 46:13
  to encourage my monarchs to to migrate through my property
• 46:18
  because then I get to
• 46:19
  see nature you just leave it be you just encourage it and leave
• 46:22
  it be and make
• 46:23
  smart choices around it and it'll grow it's like you said it's
• 46:28
  very much like the
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_02: human condition is if we
• 46:32
  let it be we guide it a little bit but we don't have to fix it
• 46:37
  we don't have to
• 46:38
  insert our asses into things and sometimes we have to live with
• 46:43
  the consequences of
• 46:45
  not inserting our asses into things like Middle East policy
• 46:49
  like a Middle East
• 46:50
  foreign policy we don't actually have to insert our shit yeah
• 46:52
  we don't we didn't
• 46:53
  have to insert our asses we would have oh just person just for
• 46:56
  shits and giggles
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: this is hysterical when you guys get a chance you got to do this
• 47:02
  Go into like Gemini Google or Claude or whatever and just type
• 47:07
  in the prompt which
• 47:08
  was a better peace deal the JCPOA or the one that Trump just
• 47:12
  agreed to and then let
• 47:14
  the AI come back and have it kick back what it says it's
• 47:18
  hysterical it's like it's
• 47:20
  like looking up banana slicer on Google on Amazon it's
• 47:23
  hysterical we talked about
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_01: the banana slicer on Google you guys want a good laugh
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_01: Go search Banana Slicer on Amazon and just read the reviews.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's hysterical.
• 47:35
  There's one in there that's got like 7,000 reviews and it's
• 47:37
  like the Banana Slicer
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_01: saved my marriage.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't work with the peel on.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: It won't work with the peel.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is really just funny kind of Seinfeld-ish.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's human being their best selves at times.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: Humor is, you know... Yeah.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like, it's... And...
• 48:02
  and being able to step back in some of these situations and
• 48:06
  just not insert
• 48:08
  ourselves I think I look back on some stuff over the past few
• 48:14
  months and I see
• 48:17
  areas where I really attempted to not insert myself because it
• 48:23
  wasn't my problem to
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_02: fix and it was it's
• 48:32
  I'm still learning where not to insert myself and where to
• 48:35
  insert myself and it's a
• 48:38
  growing process and it's it's learning to ask that question
• 48:46
  that set of questions
• 48:47
  to yourself is when is you have to stop first this is this is
• 48:52
  the big one is you
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_02: have to stop and then you have to ask yourself and
• 48:58
  maybe ask the person afterwards depending on what the real
• 49:01
  answer is for yourself
• 49:02
  is does this person want me to fix something should I even try
• 49:08
  to fix it and do
• 49:10
  they even need me here and it's okay if somebody says I don't
• 49:15
  need you I don't want
• 49:16
  your help right now and in fact the most intelligent thing you
• 49:20
  can do as a man as a
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_02: woman as anywhere in between anybody any human
• 49:28
  the most intelligent thing you can do is ask those questions is
• 49:31
  ask that question
• 49:32
  of before you even offer any set of advice on a situation stop
• 49:38
  and ask do you want
• 49:40
  my advice do you want my input do you want me to just listen or
• 49:46
  do you need me to
• 49:48
  go away do you need me do you need to have your time am I am I
• 49:55
  hurting your time
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_02: right now
• 49:58
  and if the answer is yes you go awesome when when you need me
• 50:04
  or when you want me
• 50:05
  I'll be here and you just go it's that easy it's that easy to
• 50:10
  just say when you
• 50:12
  need me or when you want me I'll be here and it's really hard
• 50:17
  to get to that point
• 50:18
  though sometimes like because we really really do especially
• 50:23
  men are taught to fix
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_02: things we're trained to fix things
• 50:28
  it's our job to fix every problem and if we can't fix it we're
• 50:33
  a problem we're at
• 50:34
  fault we're the issue because we couldn't fix it there must be
• 50:38
  something wrong with
• 50:39
  us trust me I've lived with this for 36 years it's not that my
• 50:43
  parents taught me
• 50:44
  that I need to fix everything it's society has taught us we
• 50:47
  need to fix everything
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_01: we need to fix it
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_02: and damn whatever anybody else thinks about us trying to fix it.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's right that we're trying to fix it.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_02: You know what?
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_02: That's freaking wrong.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_02: That's wrong.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's probably wrong.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's harmful.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's why it's why people don't trust our opinions in a lot of ways.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's mansplaining.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's all of those things.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: I don't need to give a woman.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: I don't need to excuse me.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't need to be sitting across from my wife or her girlfriends or I'm
• 51:26
  outnumbered three to one in a conversation and offer anything
• 51:30
  up and then like this
• 51:34
  happened last night we were out to dinner two of her
• 51:36
  girlfriends joined us for
• 51:37
  dinner and my way we get home I was like you didn't talk much
• 51:42
  at dinner I go it was
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_01: three against one how much did you want me to talk
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's walking through a minefield.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like I kind of piped in,
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: but I just,
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: I let them talk and I didn't,
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't offer opinion.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_01: I just offered side comments as,
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_01: like just kind of just to keep the conversation moving.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_01: And,
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_01: but there were,
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_01: there were opportunities where in the past I would have said,
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_01: well,
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_01: wait a minute,
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_01: let's,
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_01: let's talk about this,
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_01: and I have learned through wisdom.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_01: You just don't walk through a minefield.
• 52:19
  you know and you just sometimes saying nothing is better than
• 52:25
  saying anything and
• 52:27
  this is also really it's also a really good opportunity when
• 52:33
  you're in say like a
• 52:34
  group of men to just with your friends if it's say it's a male
• 52:40
  dominated group sit
• 52:42
  back you don't have to be the one to offer all the opinions
• 52:45
  listen and that'll
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_02: teach you
• 52:48
  how to listen and sometimes the person who you were about to
• 52:54
  interrupt and offer
• 52:55
  that piece of advice to really just needed to finish saying
• 53:00
  what they're saying or
• 53:02
  and not have your opinion and you leaving the opinion out could
• 53:09
  be the best thing
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_02: that they needed like it and and that
• 53:15
  and it is a good it's a good lesson just to learn for for
• 53:19
  ourselves as we don't
• 53:20
  need to dominate in conversations and listening just to hear
• 53:25
  and absorb is just as
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_02: important and powerful.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_01: I think this is where and this isn't for everybody,
• 53:34
  but this is where my role in working on public health
• 53:39
  committees and health policy
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_01: committees and being involved in organizational work.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_01: outside of clinical practice where I have to work with like seven,
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_01: eight,
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_01: nine,
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_01: ten other people or working with a company as a consultant where I'm,
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_01: sometimes they're asking me for my opinion,
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_01: but I have to listen to what they want.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: I have to hear other people before I can make recommendations.
• 54:05
  I can't just go in there and start,
• 54:08
  you know,
• 54:09
  manhandling the conversation.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't work that way.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_01: People
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody has their right to what they're going to say,
• 54:15
  especially in a room of scientists and clinicians where
• 54:18
  everybody's got an opinion.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_01: You want to validate all that stuff.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_01: They've all they've all earned the right to have that opinion be heard.
• 54:28
  You know,
• 54:29
  and it's it's I think like this goes back to our listening
• 54:34
  louder.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like you mentioned, which I like, I like listening louder.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, listen louder.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_02: Open the ears more.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_02: That's my take home for today.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_02: Listen louder.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_02: I hope Beth is in the chat right now.
• 54:50
  Maybe that can be one of our new features for the Sick of this
• 54:55
  Shop is a listen louder.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_02: I like that.
• 54:59
  Because we need to listen louder and we need to hear clearer
• 55:03
  than we are now.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of problems that are going on in the world.
• 55:09
  and maybe if we just listened a little bit more like that's
• 55:13
  what so many of the
• 55:14
  communities in the US have been asking for a lot of my that's
• 55:18
  what minority
• 55:19
  communities have been asking for that's what marginalized
• 55:22
  communities have been
• 55:23
  asking for that's what people who are victims of abuse that's
• 55:28
  what people who are
• 55:30
  victims or survivors have been asking for is just listen louder
• 55:36
  it's just listen to
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_02: hear what we have to say
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_02: and then learn from it.
• 55:43
  And that's the second step is we can't stop at step one,
• 55:47
  which is listen louder.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_02: We have to go on to and follow through.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_02: Listen louder and follow through on what is being presented.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_02: Don't just stop to listen.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's not fixing.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's not an act of fixing.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's an act of responding to a need, to the actual root cause.
• 56:16
  Listen for the root and respond to that instead of listening
• 56:22
  for the surface and
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_02: not actually hearing what the real problems are.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_02: So listen louder.
• 56:31
  If anyone takes anything from this today,
• 56:33
  just listen a little louder when you're at home.
• 56:37
  I and that's I get a lot of that with patients because like
• 56:40
  I'll see a lot of
• 56:41
  patients who come in second opinion third opinion and they've
• 56:44
  been so upset with
• 56:45
  the doctors they had seen because they weren't listening they
• 56:50
  just didn't hear the
• 56:51
  patient I mean we've all had this experience where you go to
• 56:54
  your you go to your
• 56:54
  physician or you go see a specialist or and you just you walk
• 56:58
  out of there like did
• 56:58
  he even hear what I was talking about did he even hear me today
• 57:02
  like you you walk
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_01: out with more questions than when you walked in with
• 57:06
  Then your doctor,
• 57:07
  nurse practitioner,
• 57:08
  physician assistant,
• 57:10
  you haven't done their job.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_01: Should not be leaving your therapist's office,
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_01: your medical doctors,
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_01: your friends,
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_01: the plumber,
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_01: the electrician.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody should be doing a public service or a community-based service.
• 57:26
  And you have more questions when you leave or when they leave
• 57:30
  than when they walked in the door.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's the lack of
• 57:36
  Quality Communication and we I'm going to turn this political
• 57:43
  for a second this is
• 57:45
  what we have to demand of our leaders they're so good at like
• 57:49
  sidestepping and
• 57:51
  sidesplaining and eversion techniques and evasive maneuvers and
• 57:58
  just you know what
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_01: own it just fucking own it you said this own it don't sidestep it
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_01: Don't do the Washington two-step.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay?
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_01: You said it, own it.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_01: Just deal with it.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_01: And this level of dishonesty in politics is just really disgusting.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's so overtly unlistenable.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_01: Did I just create a word?
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_02: Unlistenable?
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, but I like it.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_01: I like it too.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_01: I know it's unhearable, but it's unlistenable.
• 58:35
  You're Not Saying Anything It's Double Talk Yeah There's No
• 58:41
  Root Behind It There's
• 58:42
  Nothing To Listen For Exactly So They Have No Messaging So If
• 58:47
  There's Nothing To
• 58:48
  Listen For Then They're Not Saying Anything So Why Do You
• 58:53
  Deserve My Campaign
• 58:55
  Finance Donation Why Do You Deserve My Vote Why Do You Deserve
• 58:58
  My Input Why Do You
• 58:59
  Give A Shit You Don't Care About You Don't Care About Me You
• 59:02
  Sidestep The Whole
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_01: Situation You Don't Even Want To Hear It
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_01: and this is where this is really where we're at today.
• 59:09
  And this is this this is the systemic problem that we have in
• 59:13
  American society
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_01: where it's about me and not about us.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we got away from the us.
• 59:21
  We got away from this union of a country where we're all
• 59:25
  supposed to have these
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_01: shared values in freedom and understanding and education and religion.
• 59:32
  okay we can have difference on policy but we're past that point
• 59:35
  now this isn't even
• 59:36
  about policies anymore it's it's rage baiting it's you're not
• 59:42
  you're not patriotic
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  enough because you don't like the fly over over the White House
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  or you don't like
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  the UFC so you're not a patriot okay well I don't like NASCAR
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  because I like
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  SPEAKER_01: IndyCar better does that make me less of a patriot
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't like football.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_01: I like soccer better.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_01: Does that make me less of a patron?
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_02: How dare you not like soccer?
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_02: But that's it.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_02: That's what we've come to.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's us versus them on everything.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_02: And it's stupid.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_02: And it's that microcosm thing you were talking about.
• 1:00:19
  It's all stupid microcosms that we have to hate each other for
• 1:00:25
  arbitrary,
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  non-existent reasons.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_02: and we have to feel rage about everything.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to feel rage all the time.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to feel angry all the time.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody does.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_02: It fucking sucks.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's the worst state you can be in is rage all the fucking time.
• 1:00:45
  Imagine if they took all this negative energy that they're
• 1:00:49
  feeding everybody and
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_01: flipped it to being supportive and nurturing and
• 1:00:56
  and caring for your fellow citizen and making sure people had
• 1:00:59
  health care and
• 1:01:00
  people had food sort and then we weren't in food deserts and
• 1:01:03
  people had food
• 1:01:05
  choices that were healthy and they could just you know they
• 1:01:08
  could afford a vehicle
• 1:01:09
  they could afford to go to a baseball game with their kids in
• 1:01:12
  there they could go
• 1:01:13
  to the circus or and it wasn't gonna cost eight hundred
• 1:01:16
  thousand dollars to go to
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_01: Disney World right for example imagine that conversation
• 1:01:24
  and the mental health of the United States changing because
• 1:01:28
  people then have hope.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_01: And they have been for the last 50 years,
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_01: they have been deliberately designing to drain hope from the people.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_01: And when you suck people's hope out, there's nothing to live for.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_01: So there's nothing left but anger and rage.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_02: And it's easy to control people when they're angry and rage filled.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_01: and when they're poor and when they're sick and when they're uneducated.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_01: And that's this is how this is how autocratic governments begin.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's how they're born.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's how they thrive.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_01: We all just have to remember what happened in what happened in Hungary.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_01: OK, we saw what I mean, this is this is history, right?
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_01: The Spanish did it to Franco in the 70s.
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  SPEAKER_01: They had enough.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: The French did it in 1789.
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  There's a guillotine out there with some dried blood on it that
• 1:02:30
  I'm sure Macron
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  SPEAKER_01: would have loved to have shown Trump instead of pandering his ass around
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_01: Versailles.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_01: Probably.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_02: Mr. Trump, let me show you this historical reference here.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let me show you historical reference here.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_01: Is Melania with you?
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and because of this rage and hate that we are all being fed
• 1:02:51
  we're back to debating do people deserve basic rights do our
• 1:02:56
  people even people
• 1:02:57
  like that's what we're debating right now i'm sorry i'm sorry
• 1:03:03
  we we've we we should
• 1:03:06
  have ended that debate a long time ago when we won the civil
• 1:03:11
  war but we didn't we
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_02: just transitioned it so that it could fester for a long time
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_01: Well, because people lost.
• 1:03:19
  And when you lose and you don't learn that what you did was
• 1:03:23
  fucking evil and wrong,
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_01: like slavery.
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  And I'm not saying that the North was always better,
• 1:03:30
  like that the U.S.
• 1:03:32
  was good all the time.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_02: We have a history and a legacy that is awful.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_02: We have a legacy that is filled with death.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_02: We also have a legacy that is filled with great hope.
• 1:03:45
  and that can be filled with great achievements and amazing
• 1:03:48
  people we have had civil
• 1:03:50
  rights leaders we have had fantastic amazing athletes and
• 1:03:57
  scientific minds and
• 1:03:59
  creators and powerful people who have spoken to the best of
• 1:04:05
  humanity and we've
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_02: produced some of the worst of humanity and right now in our
• 1:04:14
  In Our Fight We Are Trying To Refind The Best In Humanity So
• 1:04:21
  That People Have Some
• 1:04:22
  Hope Because Like A Year Ago I Couldn't Think Past A Day Like I
• 1:04:29
  Couldn't See Past A
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_02: Day Now I Can Envision A Couple Years In The Future It's Not Sturdy
• 1:04:39
  I can see where we might go in our country,
• 1:04:42
  but I can envision what could happen.
• 1:04:44
  I can envision where my family and those around me could go and
• 1:04:49
  the life we could
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_02: live and should be living and how we can get there.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not about hating those around me.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's about opening their eyes to the hate that they've been filled with.
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_02: and letting them learn and hear.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's the idea of just teaching people to hear a little bit better.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah,
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_02: the 13th Amendment,
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_02: just talking about the slavery stuff,
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_02: going back to that real quick.
• 1:05:21
  The 13th Amendment created the prison industrial complex that
• 1:05:25
  we have now,
• 1:05:26
  which was a transition of slavery from plantation owners to
• 1:05:29
  prison owners.
• 1:05:30
  And we're seeing that legacy build concentration camps in the
• 1:05:34
  US right now.
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_02: That is the legacy.
• 1:05:36
  that we have allowed to fester because we were not able as a
• 1:05:41
  country to address a
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_02: hard situation and make the right choices.
• 1:05:49
  SPEAKER_02: We compromised on what the right solution could have been.
• 1:05:54
  and that was a problem and we need to not compromise when it
• 1:05:58
  comes to basic human
• 1:06:00
  value and and dignity for life and we need to make those
• 1:06:04
  unalienable rights written
• 1:06:07
  down we so i i have a few things not to pile on that but like i
• 1:06:19
  you know i think i
• 1:06:19
  think i've heard niana said i've heard some other creators said
• 1:06:22
  that you know what
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_01: listen
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  Black History is American History and by not acknowledging
• 1:06:31
  Black History we are
• 1:06:35
  literally whitewashing an entire aspect of our 250 years that
• 1:06:43
  it's not even not
• 1:06:43
  acknowledging it's actively erasing it's erasing it right so
• 1:06:47
  that's the first thing
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_01: so I just wanted to make sure that everybody understands that that's my
• 1:06:52
  That's where I'm at If you want to see a creator Who is someone
• 1:07:00
  who is Part of that
• 1:07:01
  history that is actively Being erased Go follow Marlon Weems
• 1:07:06
  His history is being
• 1:07:08
  erased From the state of Arkansas He was the first black stock
• 1:07:12
  Trader In the state
• 1:07:16
  he does he did he he had his own business has his own
• 1:07:21
  businesses he has done some
• 1:07:22
  incredible things in the state he made history in this state
• 1:07:27
  his family is part of
• 1:07:29
  state history in many ways and they're being erased and that's
• 1:07:34
  this came up we did
• 1:07:35
  a show yesterday and he brought it up and I was like well you
• 1:07:37
  know they're erasing
• 1:07:38
  your history including your family's history and he couldn't
• 1:07:40
  even like that's a
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_01: whole nother show and it's and it's the same with disability history
• 1:07:46
  it's the same it's everything that they don't want to
• 1:07:49
  acknowledge as reality yeah
• 1:07:51
  it's that's it that's it's plain and simple and where I was
• 1:07:55
  going to go with all
• 1:07:56
  this was that that going from black history to which is
• 1:08:00
  American history which is a
• 1:08:01
  violent history which you've mentioned many times on many
• 1:08:04
  different podcasts and
• 1:08:05
  shows that you've done is the greatness in the American will to
• 1:08:11
  succeed is the new
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_01: thing that's always driven
• 1:08:17
  People Who Live Here Whether You're From Whether You're An
• 1:08:19
  Immigrant Whether You're
• 1:08:20
  A Native American Whether You're You Know Third Fourth Fifth
• 1:08:24
  Generation American
• 1:08:25
  Citizen Okay And It Doesn't Matter The Drive To Succeed For Us
• 1:08:31
  Has Always Been And
• 1:08:32
  To Be On The Right Side Of Of Good And Evil I Don't Want To Say
• 1:08:36
  History Because
• 1:08:36
  History Is Always Evolving And Changing And You Know But To
• 1:08:40
  Know What's Evil And
• 1:08:41
  What's Good And We're In This 20 Year Cycle Where We're At
• 1:08:45
  Remember We Went Through
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_01: This About 20 Years Ago
• 1:08:48
  9-11,
• 1:08:48
  the world changed 20 years ago,
• 1:08:50
  you know,
• 1:08:50
  we're in this 20 to 25 year old cycle.
• 1:08:52
  We're in this cycle again,
• 1:08:54
  where I think we're going to see another push of liberalism.
• 1:08:58
  People have had enough oppression and bullshit and things being
• 1:09:03
  taken away and
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_01: government overreach and government overstep and theft and,
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_01: just unaccountability.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_01: And you can't,
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_01: you can't beat what's not,
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_01: you can't,
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_01: there's no way that they're going to control
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_01: the people anymore.
• 1:09:18
  You've got this thing called the Internet and you can't stop
• 1:09:21
  speech from spreading.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_01: You can't stop freedom of information.
• 1:09:25
  SPEAKER_01: You can't stop the freedom of ideals.
• 1:09:27
  SPEAKER_01: You can't stop the idea that you can't infringe on my right to to speak.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_01: You just can't.
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_01: Not when you got 400 million guns in the country.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's just the next one.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_01: You're not going to, you know, and those people that were Jay Sixers
• 1:09:45
  good good yeah try to try to infringe their right to watch what
• 1:09:48
  happens they're
• 1:09:49
  crazy enough right they're they're crazier than you think and
• 1:09:54
  they're i mean listen
• 1:09:55
  these are the same people that brought weapons to washington dc
• 1:09:57
  to march on the
• 1:09:58
  capital building what do you think is going to happen if you
• 1:09:59
  really go after them
• 1:10:02
  like it's you know this is like the war isn't about people the
• 1:10:08
  war is about
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_01: Where are we as a country and it's it's like we've allowed this religious
• 1:10:14
  infestation of white nationalism and white christian
• 1:10:18
  nationalism because they they
• 1:10:20
  hate the catholics too just as much as they hate the jews and
• 1:10:24
  they hate the muslims
• 1:10:24
  and they they hate people who you know like worship you know
• 1:10:29
  jim bean so it's like
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_01: they worship the kid rocks of the world
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_01: who I'm very ashamed to say is from Detroit,
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_01: which is a shame for me,
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_01: but that's,
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_01: but which I don't like his music anyway,
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_01: but that's beside the point.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 1:10:49
  we just we just have this whole we have we have a I just for
• 1:10:54
  for research purposes,
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:10:56
  SPEAKER_01: Reagan wrecked the economy,
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_01: right?
• 1:11:00
  SPEAKER_01: and part of the four years of George Bush kind of wrecked it back.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, Clinton gets elected, the economy gets rebuilt in the 90s, right?
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_01: George W. Bush gets elected, wrecks the economy.
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_01: Obama comes in in 2008, cleans up the mess, builds it back up again.
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_01: Trump comes in in 16, wrecks the economy.
• 1:11:21
  right biden gets elected fixes it gets blamed for the fix
• 1:11:27
  because they can't admit
• 1:11:28
  that he lost he can't admit that he lost in 2020 and they're
• 1:11:32
  still litigating that
• 1:11:33
  shit comes in 2024 2025 rexity is wrecking the economy again
• 1:11:38
  when are people going
• 1:11:39
  to actually understand the republicans can't govern they just
• 1:11:44
  don't have the
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_01: capacity to govern for the people
• 1:11:49
  and it's your state,
• 1:11:50
  it's my state,
• 1:11:51
  it's every state south of the Mason-Dixon line.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's any state that's in a Republican trifecta too.
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_01: and it's just like,
• 1:12:00
  when do people wake up and realize that you have been voting
• 1:12:03
  against their own
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_01: interests for the last 40 plus years?
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_01: When do you wake up and realize that?
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_01: I would say it's when they're hungry and when they're food insecurity,
• 1:12:16
  SPEAKER_02: but I look at my neighboring state and
• 1:12:18
  of oklahoma and they just voted against a minimum wage increase
• 1:12:23
  that would have
• 1:12:24
  taken until 2029 to fully go into effect and they voted against
• 1:12:29
  their own interests
• 1:12:30
  again and the state is in depressive depressive uh economy like
• 1:12:37
  oh wait wait for
• 1:12:38
  screwworm to really with me yeah like oklahoma is in dire
• 1:12:42
  straits in a lot of areas
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_02: there are a lot of people who are so
• 1:12:48
  poor and so held down by their government and it's not a poor
• 1:12:53
  because they want to
• 1:12:54
  be it's because the policies are forcing them to be that way
• 1:12:59
  and we have to wake up
• 1:13:00
  and when do we wake up I don't to be honest now I don't know in
• 1:13:08
  some of these
• 1:13:08
  places because you would have thought that not having food or
• 1:13:15
  access to any of the
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_02: services you need would wake you up
• 1:13:19
  but it doesn't seem to in some of these areas and I was I was
• 1:13:25
  in Wichita Wichita
• 1:13:27
  Kansas I was there 12 years ago it was a ghost town then it's
• 1:13:32
  even worse now yeah
• 1:13:35
  it's it's getting it's I think you're starting to we're
• 1:13:38
  starting to see it I think
• 1:13:39
  the the job the job hiring rate was the lowest it's been in 25
• 1:13:43
  years it's always
• 1:13:44
  SPEAKER_01: been hovering around 7.9 percent wasn't it like three
• 1:13:48
  3.7 yeah so now you've got a recession which we are in a
• 1:13:54
  recession everybody
• 1:13:55
  believe it or not okay we've had down numbers for the last what
• 1:13:59
  12 quarters um or
• 1:14:01
  was it six three quarter whatever the benchmark is it's however
• 1:14:04
  many quarters
• 1:14:05
  straight without a gdp increase or however they define not
• 1:14:10
  being in recession um
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_01: it's it's getting to the point where
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like I said, this war was going to not be affected.
• 1:14:21
  People were not going to feel the effects of the Iran war
• 1:14:24
  through second quarter 2026.
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_01: You're all going to feel it in about a week and a half.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_01: We're all going to feel it.
• 1:14:35
  SPEAKER_01: Gas prices may not be back at $2 for a while.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm talking like high $2.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care what orange blimpy droopy pants says.
• 1:14:46
  SPEAKER_01: So there's
• 1:14:47
  So there was actually something I was actually going to pull up
• 1:14:49
  real quick and I
• 1:14:49
  did this as part of my research when I was the difference
• 1:14:52
  between the two documents
• 1:14:54
  with Obama versus this MOA yeah okay so the 2015 deal never
• 1:15:01
  removed the military
• 1:15:02
  option and no agreement can the substantive points actually cut
• 1:15:07
  against the boast
• 1:15:09
  and and the MOU that Trump signed is non-procurement language
• 1:15:14
  okay is essentially
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_01: what the JCP already said
• 1:15:18
  right so you didn't come up with anything different the
• 1:15:21
  genuinely better element if
• 1:15:23
  it survives the next 60 days is that all of iran's down blended
• 1:15:26
  uranium would be
• 1:15:27
  removed whereas the jcpoa let iran keep 300 kilograms um the
• 1:15:36
  harder problem is what
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_01: the cost and what's left undone
• 1:15:39
  is that the MOU follows a war Trump launch specifically to end
• 1:15:42
  Iran's nuclear
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_01: program,
• 1:15:43
  and experts assess that Iran offered Trump's envoys a better
• 1:15:47
  nuclear deal before
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_01: the war than the one that was on the table.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_01: Now,
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_01: before the strikes,
• 1:15:52
  Iran had already offered in February to downblend the stockpile
• 1:15:56
  from 60% down to
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_01: 3.67%.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_01: The MOU has no guarantee on missiles.
• 1:16:06
  And even though the missile development was one of Trump's
• 1:16:08
  original 2018 reasons
• 1:16:10
  SPEAKER_01: for killing the JCPOA,
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_01: the enrichment question is still out there.
• 1:16:15
  The is that Trump has now softened toward letting Iran have a
• 1:16:20
  civilian nuclear program.
• 1:16:24
  SPEAKER_01: Senator Cassidy called it the worst foreign policy blunder in decades.
• 1:16:30
  And that Iran learning through this war now that threatening
• 1:16:33
  the Strait of Hormuz
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_01: actually works.
• 1:16:38
  so we gave them all the leverage they need yeah and everything
• 1:16:44
  trump touches dies
• 1:16:46
  the he didn't have to touch cpoa he didn't have to touch it the
• 1:16:51
  it was working the
• 1:16:52
  whole he just didn't like it because it was obama's that's why
• 1:16:55
  yeah the whole thing
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_02: on that tying it back to our topic is the u.s made our leadership
• 1:17:04
  our current government made the dumbest choices in all of the
• 1:17:09
  tough situations and
• 1:17:11
  they're showing their whole asses on what dumb choices look
• 1:17:16
  like and what dumb
• 1:17:18
  choices are um and well it's called project 2020-25 yeah it's
• 1:17:23
  they wrote a book on
• 1:17:24
  how to make dumb choices yes it's like literally governing for
• 1:17:27
  dummies project 2025
• 1:17:28
  the blueprint of how to root of how to wreck the world and we
• 1:17:31
  need a response that
• 1:17:32
  SPEAKER_01: is
• 1:17:33
  our own thing that is not a derivative name is not like Project
• 1:17:38
  2028 or some
• 1:17:40
  bullshit or Project 2029 or whatever we need a plan we need
• 1:17:44
  they've been doing this
• 1:17:46
  man well really that's that and they made them they called it
• 1:17:52
  the mandate for
• 1:17:53
  leadership which is what Project 2025 is they've been doing it
• 1:17:57
  for 40 years they've
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_02: been putting out new versions of this for the last 40 years
• 1:18:04
  You know what would be nice is if we did the same damn thing on
• 1:18:08
  our side with a
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_02: plan that didn't suck.
• 1:18:11
  That actually gave people a vision and a hope for what
• 1:18:14
  democracy could be and
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  SPEAKER_02: should be and what our conscious needs to be.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was the post-World War II world that we created.
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  SPEAKER_02: But even that wasn't good enough.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it wasn't ideal enough.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was a stride forward.
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  and then we stopped like we didn't take the momentum to codify
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  the second Bill of
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  Rights we didn't take that momentum to truly make ourselves an
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  equal and equitable
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  society and I want to push back on one word you use before we
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  get to the end of our
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  day because we've gone a little bit over which is totally fine
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  for us is you use
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  SPEAKER_02: the term liberal
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  in when we're liberalism getting back into a state of
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  liberalism I want to push
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  back you said liberalism I want to push back on that word is I
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  think we're moving
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  SPEAKER_02: towards a state of progressivism versus regressivism
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  and that's oh I know I meant progressive yeah yeah and I knew
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  what you meant but I
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  wanted to make sure in because we've we we talk about this a
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  lot is this is I this
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  is a fight of progressivism versus regressivism and it's not
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  the same political
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  lines of our forefathers of our grandparents of our parents or
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  even of five years
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  SPEAKER_02: ago
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  SPEAKER_02: Even of a year ago, we don't have to have the same political lines.
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  We have to make new alliances and new coalitions on what it
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  means to progress.
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  The current leadership doesn't want that because these are 70
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  plus year old men and
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  SPEAKER_01: women who have been latched into this power scheme for the last 30 years.
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  SPEAKER_01: The world is not
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  what it was back in 1980 when they all got elected it is not
• 1:20:16
  the same place it's
• 1:20:17
  not it the Schumers the Pelosi's thank them for their service
• 1:20:22
  but time to go time
• 1:20:25
  to step aside time to become speaker emeritus time to become
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  leader emeritus you
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  you cannot function in today's world you don't have the tool
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  set you don't have the
• 1:20:35
  skill set you don't have the tools you don't have the language
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  you certainly don't
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  SPEAKER_01: have the media knowledge
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  and you don't have the will because you're taking money from
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  the same evil people
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  that are funding the other side dialogue membership people
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  anyone on that dialogue
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  list Jared Polis governor of Colorado Cory Booker folks like
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  that y'all have some
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  answers y'all have some questions that need answering Wes
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  Moore's team came out and
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  SPEAKER_02: gave answers
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  Wes Moore he was on that list his team came out and gave
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  answers as to what
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  happened and how long ago it was he said he was a speaker at
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  one event like 20
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  years ago or something like towards the very beginning of all
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  of it but hasn't been
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  to something since if that's true okay why are you still on the
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  fucking list though
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  why are you allowing your name to still be associated in that
• 1:21:31
  membership if you're
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  SPEAKER_02: part of that is the thing like we're not
• 1:21:36
  it's not conservative first liberal it's not left verse right
• 1:21:42
  it is will we regress
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  into a feudalistic slave based society or will we progress and
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  have actual equality
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  SPEAKER_01: and equity for all so I just want to go over so I turned 35 in 2006 okay
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  So if i trace back the president the elect the presidents that
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  were elected okay
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  all right it was george w bush baby boomer okay the only
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  president that was gen x
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  is obama and look at the great things that happen with a gen x
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  president was obama
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  SPEAKER_02: gen x yeah i thought we haven't had a gen x president
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  I don't You know what Obama He's considered a late era baby
• 1:22:36
  boomer He's just out of
• 1:22:38
  the Gen X range He's just out of the He's just out of that
• 1:22:42
  range He's kind of like
• 1:22:45
  I mean born in 61 Classifying him as a boomer He really was
• 1:22:49
  more like a Gen X He
• 1:22:50
  acted more like a Gen X than he did a baby boomer But we need a
• 1:22:53
  new We need new
• 1:22:54
  generations We need We need Gen X We need Gen Y We need Gen Z
• 1:23:00
  We need Gen Alpha
• 1:23:02
  or boom leadership I'm sorry you've had your time you're done
• 1:23:06
  greatest generation
• 1:23:07
  which is like Chuck Grassley's you know those guys right time
• 1:23:11
  to go right yeah I
• 1:23:14
  mean Mitch McConnell like you should have been gone you should
• 1:23:18
  have been gone
• 1:23:19
  before all these hospitalizations like before this last
• 1:23:22
  election how he how he even
• 1:23:23
  SPEAKER_02: got through it like the dude was being walked around with handlers
• 1:23:28
  He couldn't make sentences And he still got elected It was like
• 1:23:33
  Strom Thurmond Same
• 1:23:34
  thing Or the Like there's a Republican Representative I think
• 1:23:38
  that's been missing
• 1:23:39
  For over 100 days or something Nobody's heard from him Tom Keen
• 1:23:43
  Tom Keen Yeah Still
• 1:23:45
  Still missing He's MOA What about the Republican legislator Who
• 1:23:48
  was put into a She
• 1:23:50
  was put into a home In Texas And nobody said anything She was
• 1:23:54
  in a care facility
• 1:23:57
  SPEAKER_01: Because
• 1:23:58
  SPEAKER_01: because pursuant to the Constitution,
• 1:24:01
  SPEAKER_01: the only three ways to remove a sitting U.S.
• 1:24:03
  SPEAKER_01: Representative is either by resignation,
• 1:24:07
  SPEAKER_01: death or losing an election.
• 1:24:10
  SPEAKER_01: Or Congress pushes them out themselves.
• 1:24:12
  SPEAKER_02: Or Congress throws them out.
• 1:24:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:24:16
  SPEAKER_02: And again,
• 1:24:17
  it's also something before we get to our end is it's something
• 1:24:20
  Naida Green and I
• 1:24:21
  SPEAKER_02: talk about a lot.
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_02: She's
• 1:24:23
  SPEAKER_02: credible friend in the chat.
• 1:24:25
  SPEAKER_02: I love Naida.
• 1:24:26
  SPEAKER_02: Make sure you please go subscribe to her work.
• 1:24:28
  SPEAKER_02: Disability Community for Democracy, Nothing About Us Without Us.
• 1:24:32
  SPEAKER_02: She's just incredible.
• 1:24:34
  SPEAKER_02: One of the things we talk about,
• 1:24:35
  SPEAKER_02: and we're going to start a series on,
• 1:24:37
  SPEAKER_02: we're working on planning a series together around this,
• 1:24:42
  SPEAKER_02: is bridging gaps.
• 1:24:44
  SPEAKER_02: And it's time we bridge those gaps.
• 1:24:47
  SPEAKER_02: We bridge those gaps by bridging our generational divides.
• 1:24:51
  SPEAKER_02: because there's less difference between all of us than we think.
• 1:24:54
  SPEAKER_02: We bridge those gaps by listening louder.
• 1:24:59
  SPEAKER_02: We bridge those gaps.
• 1:25:01
  SPEAKER_02: Great title for a new show.
• 1:25:02
  SPEAKER_01: Listening Louder.
• 1:25:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:25:05
  SPEAKER_02: Naida, what do you think?
• 1:25:07
  SPEAKER_02: Listen Louder?
• 1:25:08
  SPEAKER_02: Listening Louder?
• 1:25:09
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's going to be it.
• 1:25:12
  SPEAKER_02: I think that might be it for it because we need to listen louder.
• 1:25:16
  SPEAKER_02: We need to.
• 1:25:17
  SPEAKER_02: We have to be willing to listen louder and hear more and that's
• 1:25:21
  I hope with with this show today I hope that's what y'all leave
• 1:25:25
  with I get I get 1%
• 1:25:31
  on the show I get 1% royalty I own I own 1% and we'll put it
• 1:25:35
  back into that creator
• 1:25:36
  fund is we need to listen louder and so let's listen louder
• 1:25:42
  today everybody go do
• 1:25:44
  something go ask questions go listen don't force yourself to be
• 1:25:49
  the center of a
• 1:25:50
  SPEAKER_02: discussion
• 1:25:51
  SPEAKER_02: Don't try and fix something.
• 1:25:53
  SPEAKER_02: Don't do stop for a second.
• 1:25:58
  Do take that breath and ask if that person even really needs or
• 1:26:03
  wants you there for
• 1:26:04
  SPEAKER_02: that help at that moment.
• 1:26:07
  SPEAKER_02: Just listen louder.
• 1:26:09
  SPEAKER_02: Suck less.
• 1:26:11
  SPEAKER_02: And if it changes, I don't even know if I'm on the right thing.
• 1:26:15
  SPEAKER_01: And
• 1:26:16
  come support us come support and help our work and Eric I'm
• 1:26:20
  gonna switch it over to
• 1:26:21
  yours here real quick like I always do okay yeah I was all set
• 1:26:24
  with my so no I know
• 1:26:26
  you can hold on to your prop for a second hey be careful don't
• 1:26:30
  talk about my prop
• 1:26:31
  SPEAKER_02: though it's a big one it's a big one they're big they're big props
• 1:26:37
  SPEAKER_01: Walter, we miss you.
• 1:26:40
  SPEAKER_01: You missed a great show today, buddies.
• 1:26:41
  SPEAKER_01: Hi.
• 1:26:42
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  try to prop everybody else up we're all here for the collective
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  good and we're all
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  here to get a little bit smarter and listen louder so Nick
• 1:27:23
  thanks for a great show
• 1:27:23
  today thanks brother so glad we did this and thank you again I
• 1:27:28
  needed and thanks to
• 1:27:29
  everybody in the chat all 150 plus of you thank you for
• 1:27:32
  sticking around it's
• 1:27:33
  It's very rare we push 90 minutes on a show,
• 1:27:35
  but this was a good one today.
• 1:27:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we pushed long today, and thank you for being with us.
• 1:27:39
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you, Eric, for being a friend.
• 1:27:42
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for listening when I needed it and supporting me.
• 1:27:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and just suck less, y'all.
• 1:27:49
  SPEAKER_02: Let's listen louder.
• 1:27:51
  SPEAKER_02: Let's just suck less, and let's do more.
• 1:27:54
  SPEAKER_02: Let's help each other.
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• 1:28:16
  SPEAKER_02: And hearing the feedback that I get from folks,
• 1:28:22
  hearing the love and the friendships that I have made is what
• 1:28:26
  makes all of this
• 1:28:27
  SPEAKER_02: worth it.
• 1:28:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's made me a better person.
• 1:28:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's helped me grow.
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  and I hope I've put a positive impact on y'all and I hope Eric
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  has helped put a
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  positive impact I hope Walter has helped put a positive impact
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  helped put a positive impact you guys have impacted me in a
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  really positive way and
• 1:28:49
  SPEAKER_02: I can breathe again I'm not again it's in that song
• 1:28:55
  SPEAKER_02: I'm here for you.
• 1:28:56
  SPEAKER_02: You got to listen.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you'll have to send it to me so I can listen to the whole thing.
• 1:29:00
  SPEAKER_02: So everyone, thank you.
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  SPEAKER_02: where hopefully we'll have our full retinue back.
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  SPEAKER_02: Evan was busy today.
• 1:29:19
  SPEAKER_02: Walter's been taking a bit of a break on some of the shows.
• 1:29:23
  SPEAKER_02: And so we will see you all next week.
• 1:29:26
  SPEAKER_02: Enjoy your day today and do what we've talked about.
• 1:29:30
  SPEAKER_02: Go listen louder.
• 1:29:31
  SPEAKER_02: Go listen louder today.
• 1:29:32
  SPEAKER_02: Go hear someone out.
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  Go listen just to hear and sit back and learn and learn from
• 1:29:39
  what you heard.
• 1:29:40
  SPEAKER_02: Don't have to input.
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  SPEAKER_02: Don't have to be part of it.
• 1:29:43
  SPEAKER_02: Just listen.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thanks, y'all.
• 1:29:44
  SPEAKER_02: Have a great one.