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One Flu Over the Cuckoo's Nest · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 2: SimpliSafe.com Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau. I'm
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  Speaker 2: Jon Lovett. I'm Tommy Vitor. On today's show, we'll talk
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  Speaker 2: about the life and sudden death of the Republicans' Talafrico conspiracy,
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  Speaker 2: the party's decision to go all in on attacking Abdul
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  Speaker 2: El-Sayed as a Muslim terrorist... Elon Musk quietly spending more
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  Speaker 2: on the midterms than he did on the entire 2024
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  Speaker 2: presidential campaign. Federal agents raiding Ilhan Omar's house. Pete Hegseth's
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  Speaker 2: plan to live stream an execution by firing squad. And
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  Speaker 2: Kimberly Guilfoyle's Greek sugar daddies. What a list.
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  Speaker 3: Plural.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's two that we know of. But who knows?
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  Speaker 2: That's dessert for the end. The story's still young. Then
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  Speaker 2: you'll hear Lovett's conversation with the Democratic candidate for Senate
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  Speaker 2: in New Hampshire. Chris Pappas. All right, let's start in Texas,
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  Speaker 2: where the Republican desperation to hold on to a Senate
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  Speaker 2: seat that's slipping away led the MAGAverse to concoct a
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  Speaker 2: conspiracy so stupid and short-lived that it barely survived the weekend.
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  Speaker 2: It all started on September 30th, When James Tallarico said
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  Speaker 2: during a virtual campaign appearance, what are you doing? It's
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  Speaker 2: googling images of traditional Greek desserts. I was realizing all
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  Speaker 2: I had was baklava. Hey, you got a joke in
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  Speaker 2: the oven. Jokes of the hopper, everybody. Don't look at
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  Speaker 2: my screen. That's my space. You made it like a
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  Speaker 2: hundred fun. Honestly, better that it's at least connected. To
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  Speaker 2: something we're talking about, because it could have very well
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  Speaker 2: been something that he planned on baking this evening. He
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  Speaker 2: has been baking a lot. I did. I made a
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  Speaker 2: lovely apple tart. I know, we've seen it on Instagram.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like you're getting good at baking. I am
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  Speaker 2: getting very good at baking. No, no, I'm glad you're sharing.
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  Speaker 4: I was reading about the actual news, and I thought, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know a Greek dessert besides baklava. And I thought, well,
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  Speaker 4: there's got to be a pun somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: John knows. I love baklava. Why do you need, what
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  Speaker 2: do you need aside from baklava? Well, I don't need anything.
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  Speaker 4: But then I was thinking, oh, like, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: was thinking Kimberly Guilfoyle's on the Dolemades.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? But that wasn't very good.
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  Speaker 2: So I thought I was like, and then I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: baby's got back. You know, that's nothing. So I was
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  Speaker 2: looking for other options. Okay. Well, anyway, should we go
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  Speaker 2: back to Texas? Sure. Okay. What happened there? So it
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  Speaker 2: started on September 30th when James Tallarico said during a
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  Speaker 2: virtual campaign appearance that he was sick with the flu.
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  Speaker 2: went to urgent care, and would be staying home for
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  Speaker 2: a while to avoid infecting anyone. The following week, right-wing
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  Speaker 2: influencers reached the only logical conclusion about Tallarico's extended absence,
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  Speaker 2: which is that he was actually at a psychiatric hospital
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  Speaker 2: in Ohio called the Lindner Center of Hope, experiencing what
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  Speaker 2: Ken Paxton's campaign called, quote, a full-blown mental tallafreakout. The
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  Speaker 2: entire basis, the entire basis for this allegation was that
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  Speaker 2: a Texas Democrat, named Lina Hidalgo, took a leave from
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  Speaker 2: her job in 2023 to get treatment at this same
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  Speaker 2: Ohio mental health facility, which led some online MAGA sleuths
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  Speaker 2: to discover that last week, a private plane made a
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  Speaker 2: few trips between Austin and the Ohio airport closest to
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  Speaker 2: the facility. I don't get your skeptical tone. Then, two
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  Speaker 2: MAGA influencers published a clip of a secretly recorded phone
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  Speaker 2: call with someone they claim worked at the facility, who
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  Speaker 2: supposedly confirmed that Tallarico had just been discharged. How about that?
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  Speaker 2: How about that? Well, hours later, the whole thing fell apart.
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  Speaker 2: The hospital denied Tallarico had ever been a patient there.
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  Speaker 2: Tallarico said he's never even been to Ohio.
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  Speaker 4: He's never been to the state.
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  Speaker 2: He was on camera in Austin the day he was
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  Speaker 2: supposed to have been discharged. And then the Bulwark published
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  Speaker 2: the full recording of the phone call, which revealed that
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  Speaker 2: the MAGA influencer had apparently been pretended to be Tallarico's cousin,
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  Speaker 2: made up a patient code, and had repeatedly been told
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  Speaker 2: by the employee that there was no James Tallarico in
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  Speaker 2: their system. My favorite part of that is there was like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my God, how'd they acquire the full tape? They asked.
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  Speaker 2: And the guy sent it to them. Which was really
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  Speaker 2: a botch on their part.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, and it's worth saying too that several other Right-wing outlets,
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  Speaker 4: none particularly reputable, also declined the story because when you
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  Speaker 4: listen to the full audio.
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  Speaker 2: Daily Mail, The Blaze. The Blaze turned the story down.
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  Speaker 4: You know, maybe there's examples of people going from Texas
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  Speaker 4: to Ohio to get mental health care, and I'm sure
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  Speaker 4: that takes place.
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  Speaker 2: Could have also been going to a whole bunch of
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  Speaker 2: other places in Ohio. For sure. It was like 30
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  Speaker 2: minutes from the airport in Mason, Ohio. So they just
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  Speaker 2: sort of looked it up. EW3' s there. Not really off.
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  Speaker 2: Sherlock Holmes and Watson situation. It is funny that this
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  Speaker 2: all stemmed from a bunch of right-wing lunatics being like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: every Texas lib who's crazy goes to the same place
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  Speaker 2: in Ohio. Yeah. It's like they had a thing.
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  Speaker 1: The Paxton campaign is flailing and slowly dying. And they
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  Speaker 1: had this thing, which is James Tallarico disappears off the
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  Speaker 1: campaign trail for a while. So they're like, it's totally
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  Speaker 1: legitimate to ask where he was. or probably to use
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  Speaker 1: it to cause his campaign problems. But there was not
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  Speaker 1: a there there. There was not a reason that then
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  Speaker 1: disqualifies him from office.
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  Speaker 2: He was sick. He said so in the video where
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  Speaker 2: he actually looks, doesn't look that good. They've also like
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  Speaker 2: concocted this whole story that, that no one knew where
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  Speaker 2: he was and no one told anyone. And it was
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  Speaker 2: been two weeks. And it's like, none of that is
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  Speaker 2: true either.
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  Speaker 1: He skipped an event and got on the, he attended
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  Speaker 1: an event by zoom and was like, I have the flu.
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  Speaker 2: So I can't be there in person.
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  Speaker 1: He's a guy with type one diabetes who got a
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  Speaker 1: bad flu. So it was probably exacerbated by that. Like,
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  Speaker 1: that's probably why he was sick. And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Because campaigning is disgusting.
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  Speaker 1: You are talking to strangers in close quarters and touching
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  Speaker 1: them constantly. You are kissing babies, which are the biggest
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  Speaker 1: vector for disease that I've ever met personally in my life.
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  Speaker 2: You're also exhausted. Are people still kissing babies? I think so. Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: And then, like, but these QAnon-brained fucking morons start with
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  Speaker 1: the private plane thing, and then they're like.
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  Speaker 2: prank calling a mental.
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  Speaker 1: Health facility in Ohio and recording themselves probably committing crimes.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I just want to call out the leaders
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  Speaker 2: of the pack here, just the stars who gave us this.
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  Speaker 2: Spencer Pratt, who a bunch of people here in LA
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  Speaker 2: who called themselves Democrats, thought maybe it was a good
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  Speaker 2: idea to elect him as mayor. He kept pushing it,
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  Speaker 2: said he had the conspiracy. He's heard from his sources.
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  Speaker 2: He looks like a fucking moron because he is. Caroline Wren,
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  Speaker 2: who was a J6 organizer. and she used to be
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  Speaker 2: like a semi-normal fundraiser for the Republican Party. She was
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  Speaker 2: friends with Tim Miller. Yeah, became a J6 organizer, was
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  Speaker 2: like sued for defamation over the Matt Schlapp incident. Schlapp. Schlapp? Schlapp.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying his name. Oh, sorry. I thought I
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  Speaker 2: said it wrong. Schlapp. Someone named Tickle Text.
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  Speaker 4: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 2: No, not Tickle Text. Tickle Text, yeah, who's got a
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  Speaker 2: sort of a criminal background. And Nick Sorter- He was
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  Speaker 2: the one who published the call. He was one of
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  Speaker 2: the influencers that was involved in the recording. Do you
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  Speaker 2: know he has an open warrant for his arrest in
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  Speaker 2: Kentucky for violating his probation? He was convicted of a DUI,
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  Speaker 2: harassing police officers, stalking a woman, kidnapping her dog, and
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  Speaker 2: sexually assaulting her. Jesus Christ. Yeah. What? That's a long list.
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  Speaker 2: He's got an open warrant for his arrest in Kentucky.
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  Speaker 2: This is the guy that everyone was like, and then
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  Speaker 2: Elon Musk is like, oh, something's wrong with this campaign.
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  Speaker 2: Elon Musk is amplifying the whole thing.
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  Speaker 4: Megyn Kelly had said, she was like, well, Has anyone
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  Speaker 4: spoken to the woman who was on the phone? Can
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  Speaker 4: someone get in contact with her? Because maybe she's being,
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  Speaker 4: now she's, they've gotten to her.
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  Speaker 2: Megyn Kelly's like, well, it said he's never been a patient,
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  Speaker 2: but he has ever, has he ever been there? They're like,
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  Speaker 2: release the records. Like what records? I've never been there.
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  Speaker 2: You gotta release the records of everywhere you've been. Like
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  Speaker 2: we need body cam footage of James Tallarico from the
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  Speaker 2: moment he was sick until the moment he was back
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  Speaker 2: on the trail. That's the only way we can put
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  Speaker 2: this to rest.
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  Speaker 4: It's also very, like, this idea that, like, James Tallarico, look,
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  Speaker 4: there have been Democrats who, I think, like, you wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: be surprised had a.
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  Speaker 2: Mental health breakdown.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you feel like you've got to have that energy.
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  Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, people that seem like they're barely holding
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  Speaker 1: it together, people that could lose it at.
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  Speaker 2: A moment's notice. Tallarico's so even-keeled. He's so, like, kind
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  Speaker 2: of calm and restrained.
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  Speaker 4: So I guess the idea is being like, oh, that
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  Speaker 4: no human, no person can actually be that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: That chill. That chill and that, like, there must be
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  Speaker 4: a dark underbelly. And whenever that emerges, he, of course,
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  Speaker 4: goes to Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: He's also getting screwed by the Biden of it all
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  Speaker 1: and the lack of candor there, the Fetterman of it all.
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  Speaker 2: There's a touch of a lack of candor there.
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  Speaker 1: But it's like, it's just, I was texting with Tyler
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  Speaker 1: Goes Flack over the weekend. Like, the most annoying story
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  Speaker 1: in the world is one of like proven negative. And
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  Speaker 1: then you're trapped in like the Elon Musk, Twitter information ecosystem,
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  Speaker 1: where if Elon replies to a tweet is like, seems troubling,
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  Speaker 1: it amplifies it to, you know, a hundred million people.
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  Speaker 2: I get that people were worried about like the Biden
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  Speaker 2: comparison too, but There really is no comparison there. There
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  Speaker 2: was a bunch of reporting there where people were like,
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  Speaker 2: I was around him. He kind of seems a little
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  Speaker 2: old and forgetful. There's no... This was made up. There's
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  Speaker 2: no anything that James Tallarico had any kind of mental
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  Speaker 2: issues whatsoever. Nothing. Zero. And it is funny watching some
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  Speaker 2: of the right-wing influencers who were pushing it after the
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  Speaker 2: whole thing fell apart were like, yeah, this is crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Like Current Revolt, which is like a right-wing Texas news source.
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  Speaker 2: They all did this Twitter spaces conversation afterwards, which is amazing.
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  Speaker 4: And.
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  Speaker 2: Um, this guy from current revolt was like, this story sucks, man.
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  Speaker 2: This is shit work, bro. I'm actually upset. And then
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  Speaker 2: there's people like TP USA is Andrew Colvett who tweeted.
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  Speaker 2: It genuinely doesn't matter if it was a mental health
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  Speaker 2: hospital or the flu. It matters. Disappearing for two weeks
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  Speaker 2: was bad enough. Wasn't two weeks. He said he went
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  Speaker 2: to a primary care and urgent care. So now that
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  Speaker 2: this is the new thing that he said, he went
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  Speaker 2: to urgent care in Dallas, but then he told it, uh,
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  Speaker 2: a station in Austin that he also saw his primary
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  Speaker 2: care doctor in Austin. It's like, well, I guess when
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  Speaker 2: he got home to Austin, he saw his doctor after
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  Speaker 2: going to urgent care when he was traveling. Right, he's
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  Speaker 2: on the road. He saw an urgent care, then went
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  Speaker 2: to see his doctor. You fucking idiot. What voter cares
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  Speaker 2: about this? A fucking idiot.
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  Speaker 4: It is so funny to say, look, whether it's the flu,
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  Speaker 4: as he said, which is common and ordinary, or a
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  Speaker 4: secret trip to an Ohio-based mental health facility.
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  Speaker 2: Six of one, half dozen of the other. Tomato, tomato.
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  Speaker 4: Also, honestly, I'll tell you, I'd rather be crazy in
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  Speaker 4: Texas than sane in Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just being honest. You're lucky my wife doesn't listen
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  Speaker 2: to you.
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  Speaker 1: Did you also see that some of the people in another,
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  Speaker 1: might have been the same or different Twitter spaces, was
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  Speaker 1: pinning this all on Jeff Rowe, who was a longtime
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: Ted Cruz aide who also worked for Ron DeSantis. Apparently
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  Speaker 1: he was shopping this around, according to some former Trump officials,
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  Speaker 1: MAGA influencers. So like this story could have a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a longer tale because it is, A person
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  Speaker 1: who knowingly and improperly obtains someone else's medical records and
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  Speaker 1: then uses them to do harm can be fined up
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  Speaker 1: to a quarter million dollars.
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  Speaker 2: HIPAA. Finally, a HIPAA violation. It is very funny that
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  Speaker 2: a HIPAA violation actually became a history. We got a HIPAA.
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  Speaker 2: We have a HIPAA. You might all be asking yourselves,
• 12:24
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• 12:26
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  Speaker 2: frontals of Dan. Full frontals of Dan. Yeah, you just
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: need the code. I'm going to just put the headshot.
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  Speaker 4: Did you see that there was a guy, that guy
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  Speaker 4: from Smallville posted a selfie that said, sorry, posted a picture.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, I'm in New York City. But it was
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  Speaker 2: the reflection. I think I saw a passing tweet about it.
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  Speaker 2: You could see what? You could see Hogg. He deleted it. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's tough. I don't know who the guy from Smallville is.
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  Speaker 2: Is that a show? It was a show.
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  Speaker 4: He's had a career since then. I'm sorry if I'm
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  Speaker 4: only referring to him as the Smallville man.
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  Speaker 5: Anyway.
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  Speaker 2: But not a small man. I hope that wasn't describing
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  Speaker 2: the hog. Right, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: A man from Smallville, not a Smallville man.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to figure out
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  Speaker 2: a transition to Ken Paxton here.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of small hogs, here we go.
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: Ken Paxton's got his own problems. He was finally asked
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  Speaker 2: about the series of secretly recorded comments from a DC
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  Speaker 2: fundraiser where Paxton complained. This was a real recording where
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  Speaker 2: Paxton complained about Trump's midterm convention, the Iran war, the
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  Speaker 2: price of gas, how little control he has over his
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  Speaker 2: own campaign message, and the need to cut Medicare and
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  Speaker 2: Social Security. Here's what he said on Fox.
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  Speaker 5: There have been now five audio leaks. It raises some flags,
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  Speaker 5: maybe among other Republicans, over your thoughts publicly and privately
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  Speaker 5: over the president and Washington.
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  Speaker 6: So just because they were able to clip a few
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  Speaker 6: things doesn't mean that that's actually what I meant.
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  Speaker 2: Solid. Good answer, sir. He is... Generational talent? No, I'm
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: not going to say generational talent.
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  Speaker 4: He is such a... It is extraordinary how far he's gotten.
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  Speaker 4: This man is the Attorney General of Texas. He is
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  Speaker 4: the worst communicator.
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  Speaker 2: Corruption gets you pretty far. Yeah, I guess so. It
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  Speaker 2: kind of relieves you of the burdens of campaigning. Right.
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  Speaker 2: He also never ran against Democrats. Yeah. Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 2: He's never faced anyone like crazy six-gender Jimmy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, James Del Rico's going to beat him from inside
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  Speaker 4: of that fucking, what are those things called?
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  Speaker 2: What are those things called where they wrap your arms around?
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  Speaker 2: Straight jacket. Yeah, James Del Rico's still going to beat you,
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  Speaker 2: you dumb fuck. Not so straight jacket, you know? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's right. That's right.
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  Speaker 4: I want to watch, yeah, James Del Rico, eat a
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  Speaker 4: whole steak while in a straight jacket. You eat a
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  Speaker 4: whole fucking T-bone steak with no arms.
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  Speaker 2: At least Trump had a funny explanation for the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: Trump said that he was so sick because he was
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  Speaker 2: eating a bunch of meat to try to prove that
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't a vegan and he was throwing up all
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  Speaker 2: the meat.
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  Speaker 4: I once again stand by my pitch that he do
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  Speaker 4: a campaign ad while eating a steak from top to bottom.
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  Speaker 2: I still think that's a good idea.
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  Speaker 1: I got to say, I've been more hungover from big
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  Speaker 1: steak dinners than alcohol at times.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: You know, you eat too much meat. You feel like
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: they can't, you have bad dreams.
• 15:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: You know, uh, in that same Fox interview, Paxton was
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: also asked about Trump challenging Tallarico to a debate on
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: his behalf. Let's listen.
• 15:34
  Speaker 6: President Trump, he called you guys out, said you all
• 15:36
  Speaker 6: should have a debate and talk about the issues, contrast
• 15:40
  Speaker 6: between your policies.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Is that in the works?
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: Well, no, look, we've been working on that for months
• 15:45
  Speaker 6: with him. And of course, we can never quite work
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: out the details.
• 15:49
  Speaker 8: Wow.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: Tallarico quote tweeted that and was like, here's the details, anytime, anywhere,
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: any place.
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: It's, you see, I think it was Karl Rove who
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: said that if Paxton doesn't debate, he loses.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't see that, no.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Which I think is a great way to just say,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: I think Paxton's going to lose. It's just like, everyone
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: thinks Paxton's losing. The polling suggests it. The spending levels
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: from Republicans suggest it. The fact that Trump is repeatedly
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: going to Texas suggests it. And then, but the fact
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: that Paxton will not debate in that context tells you
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: that his team has so little confidence in their guy.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: I think they're right.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: That even just juxtaposing his face with Tallarico's is too
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: much of a risk.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: I'll say one more thing. That's a good one. only
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: good advice he's gotten.
• 16:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: And I do think one reason this has gone so
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: far is because Ken Paxton isn't doing that much campaigning.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: He's refusing to debate. He's not really out there. And
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: so this is like, oh man, Talrico has been gone
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: for nine days. Like Ken Paxton has been basically absent
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: the whole fucking campaign.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: He, in July, someone spotted him in London with his mistress.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: That's what he was doing in July during the campaign.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: And I'll just say, I don't know much about that lady,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: but babe, you can do better. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Was she the biblical influencer or something like that? I
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: don't know. I could be making that up. Yeah, whatever.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: It's going around. In Michigan, where Abdul is ahead of
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Mike Rogers by a few points, the Republican plan to
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: win is pretty subtle. See if you can figure it
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: out from this clip.
• 17:10
  Speaker 8: We are not and we will never be one nation
• 17:14
  Speaker 8: under Muhammad because we are and we always will be
• 17:18
  Speaker 8: one nation under God.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Muhammad Al-Sayyad. I call him Muhammad. Somebody said, his name
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: isn't Mohammed. It's Abdul. I said, to me, it's Mohammed.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I'm the president. I can call him whatever the hell
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: I want. The guy's a jihadist. Look at his statements
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: from two years ago. He's a jihadist.
• 17:35
  Speaker 8: I don't want a jihadist as a senator from Michigan.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Notably, that wasn't even in Michigan. That was a rally
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: in Tennessee with Trump and the first gentleman you heard
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: from was Kid Rock.
• 17:47
  Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Does he just go to political events now and work
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: out with Bobby Kennedy? That's his only bit of relevance,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: as far as I can tell.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Doesn't have much beyond that. Probably plays at some birthday parties. Oh,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: he did do that alternative halftime show. I remember that. Oh, yeah,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: that's right.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: There was an event that had fallen apart, sort of
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: a conference where they didn't sell enough VIP tickets, so
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: they pulled the whole thing down that Kid Rock was
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: supposed to attend.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Interesting. I don't think it's going to be that well.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: In Michigan, a super PAC is up with an ad
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: accusing Abdul of being funded by, quote, Islamic extremist groups
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: who hate America. And Rogers himself chuckled along as Louisiana
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Senator John Kennedy attempted this joke outside of Detroit on
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Friday night.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: AIPAC wouldn't be, they wouldn't come here if Dr. El-Sayed
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: didn't sleep in a bin lava. I'm just telling you.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Third time's a charm there. Nailed that line, Mrs. Doubtfire.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Went to Oxford to get that folksy, remember? Abdul responded
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: with a tweet saying, that's rich coming from someone who
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: wears his bedsheets out at night. But the campaign's main
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: response to the Abdul is a terrorist attack is a
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: closing message that's all about Rogers, the Iran war, and
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: prices like this new ad. that went up over the weekend.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: So Republicans all in on full-blown Islamophobia. Um, thoughts on
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: how well they're executing that strategy and how Abdul is responding.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: I'd say it's, uh, you know, it's subtle what they're doing,
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: but if you can read between the lines, I thought
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: what Axe said to you on the Sunday episode was good.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Like, right.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: The first Abdul ad, uh, out of the primary was
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: with his grandparents. And that was obviously because they saw
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: what was coming and they've sort of been aware of
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: this the whole time.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I think the more you are seeing just Abdul, being a,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: like he's a jihadist, he's a doctor.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: And like the more you have him out there kind
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: of just sort of being himself, I think the less
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: those attacks will resonate. But obviously they're trying to, you know,
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: I don't know how many people are going to come
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: away believing he's a fucking jihadist, but they're trying at
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: the margins to just get enough people to either kind
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: of have just a tiny bit of concern that he's
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: too far left, that he's too extreme, that for some
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Jewish people in Michigan, that he's too anti-Israel, right? Just
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: enough to kind of on the edges, make a difference.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: And I do think that's like a legitimate thing to
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: be worried about.
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, like Abdul in reality is a lax bro,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: doctor nerd, you know what I think?
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: That's who he actually is. Pretty dorky too.
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's like a very smart, like academic guy,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like, this is all just disgusting. I
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: think a What folks need to know is that this
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Islamophobic stuff, it's not like a one-off thing.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like a surrogate going off script or Kid
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Rock going off script.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: This is the main message they are closing with. And
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I think for us, we grew up in a political
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: context post 9-11 where this stuff was really powerful. Like
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Democrats or Republicans won an election against a triple amputee
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Vietnam veteran by calling him soft on terror in Georgia
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: in 2002 midterms.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: And so it makes me nervous. Obviously, it's no longer 2002.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I think people are a lot less scared of terrorism
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: than they were then. I think that people are a
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: lot angrier about the economy now than they were then.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: And they're blaming Republicans.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Um, but like Republicans think it's working and it's not
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: just about Jewish voters. Like I think it's about scaring
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: away moderate white people. Um, I do wonder like Michigan
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: has a relatively large Muslim American and Arab American population.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I hope that this will upset and animate that group
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: of people and get them to turn out. Um, I
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: think Abdul needs to keep doing what he's doing, like
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: stay focused on the cost of living.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Uh, tying the Iran war into it is good.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I hope when Obama comes, Obama will talk about Abdul
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: just being a normal guy and the way that Republicans
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: tried to like other him as well and make him
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: this scary kind of terrorist person and obviously just bullshit.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: But Abdul's getting outspent two to one that press conference
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: with John Kennedy's about how APAC is now coming in
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and spending directly, uh, probably in the IE side, uh,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: when initially they.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Weren't going to.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: So like the money advantage in Michigan is like just
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: as bad as everywhere else.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: I do think if you, um, If you want to
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: do Islamophobia or any phobias, the most effective political attacks,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: there's like a, you got to be in the dog
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: whistle zone. And if you go from the dog whistle
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: zone to just the bullhorn zone, you do risk that
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: it becomes so extreme to people that it starts backfiring.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: And I think, left to his own devices, Mike Rogers
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: would be right in the dog whistle zone. because he's
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: lived through 2002 because he loves those wars. All the wars, right?
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Love the Patriot Act. Love surveillance. He's a George W.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Bush Republican in that way. So he would be there.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: But then Donald Trump goes up and does his thing
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: and calls him Mohammed and says he's a jihadist. And
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: then fucking John Kennedy is talking about bin Laden jerseys.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: And I do wonder if... Just chortling along. Yeah, if
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: they are getting to the point where they risk a
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: backlash against their attacks. Hope so. Yeah, also....
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: You have to assume they're on this because, you know,
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: like it is a tough environment for them. There's not
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: a lot they're doing that's working. They don't have a
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: lot of good arguments to be made here in the
• 23:06
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  Speaker 2: We had one more Senate debate over the weekend, the
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  Speaker 2: and Democrat Dr. Annie Andrews, who's nipping at her heels
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  Speaker 2: during the debate, but the most notable moment from Darlene
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  Speaker 2: Graham was this about the war in Iran.
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  Speaker 7: Why in the world would we stop now when they
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  Speaker 7: are still dangerous and we are close to ending the war?
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  Speaker 2: not my thing. And Andrews replied on Sunday, if your
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  Speaker 2: surgeon said that appendectomies aren't really his thing, would you
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  Speaker 2: still hand him a scalpel?
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  Speaker 1: Or if your surgeon was like, you know, I can't
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  Speaker 1: finish the surgery. My sister is going to just run it,
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  Speaker 1: get it done for me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Or if the surgeon said it's not her thing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's important. Uh, so this race, this race should not
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  Speaker 2: be close, but Andrews is just two and a half
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: points down in Nate Silver's model and Republicans just committed
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: $ 5 million. So they're clearly seeing something in the data
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: as well. Uh, you think it's the same thing they're
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  Speaker 2: seeing everywhere or is Graham making the problem even worse?
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  Speaker 4: She's a terrible candidate. She's embarrassed herself in the big
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: sort of statewide moments of the race. Uh, I'm sure
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of affinity for Lindsey Graham, but I
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: don't know that it carries over to wanting to make
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: someone a Senator for a full term. Uh, and so
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: the environment is bad. Look, we lost that Senate seat
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  Speaker 4: by 14 points. Uh, uh, the last time you take
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: a nine point swing towards Democrats, throw some five, five
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: or six points, uh, for her being a bad candidate.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden it's not crazy. It's not crazy.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: that last five is probably tough. Yeah. I'm just saying
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I'm going to do it.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: I've, you know, plus two points for, for her being great,
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: whatever you can like find. It's not, you're going to,
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: you can, it's easy to imagine us losing, losing narrowly.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: It's harder to imagine winning, but this is an environment
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: where we just don't know, by the way, like worth saying,
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: this could also be a race where there is a wave.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: It is not extraordinary.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: It doesn't carry all the way across these dark red States,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: but we can still win the Senate, in which case
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: we will have invested and, and, built an organization in
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: a state like South Carolina or other states that were
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: closer than we have any business being, and that will
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: help us in the future. So it's worth fighting this out,
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: even if it is ultimately one of the more difficult
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: ones to win.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: It's a tough one.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: There's got to be some subset of the population of
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: South Carolina that does not like seeing their Senate seat
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: get passed around the family. Like, that's just a weird thing,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: especially to someone who just seems manifestly unqualified for the job.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I should just, I do want to say, why in
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: the world would we stop the war Now, when we're
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: so close to it being over is like, first of all,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense. But it's also how you
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: end up in Afghanistan for 20 years or Vietnam for
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: eight and a half years or for fighting an endless
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: war on terror. It's like that sunk cost fallacy that
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: just is the dumbest way to think about war and
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: foreign policy generally.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, to her credit, she is really channeling her
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: brother in the best possible way. way there. That is
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: true to what Lindsey Graham would have believed.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: He's looking down on heaven, taking a break from having
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: sex with the hottest dudes he's ever seen.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: What do you think he doesn't have to say? Way
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: to go, sis. Way to go, sis. Got it. Two
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: thumbs up. Two thumbs up. Two thumbs up, and then... Okay.
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: It's obviously not just South Carolina that's become a problem
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: for Republicans. Trump's super PAC leaked on Monday that they
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: are now, quote, trimming the map, just like you might
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: trim a rosebush to keep it beautiful, you know? That's right.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: You've got to pull off some of those kind of
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: dead leaves to cover the growth around.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: That's your point. Manscaping. Michael Watley in North Carolina, one
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: of those dead leaves. They've trimmed that. Yeah. As the
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: leaker put it, they're, quote, moving on from districts that
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: we don't think it's the right time for and piling
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: in further on ones we think it is the right
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: time for. Beautiful. That sounds like it's like right from Veep. Yeah,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I could say. For the Senate, that means focusing their
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: spending in the final weeks on, the piece says, three states, Ohio, Iowa,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: and Alaska. They're very focused on those three. They think
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: if they sweep those, There's no chance the Democrats win.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: They think if they get two out of three, that's
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: a pretty good shot, too. As for the House, on Friday,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: the Cook Political Report moved 18 more House races towards Democrats.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: One Republican House member in a tight race bravely complained
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: to CNN on background that Trump is, quote, dragging the
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: party down. But good news, the piece also says Trump's
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: rallies in the deep red places where he's still popular
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: have reportedly, quote, bolstered the president's mood. Oh, good. That's
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: which is what matters. Are you happy? Yeah, that's right. Um,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Trump was in Ohio on Monday night, uh, and heads
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: to Alaska on Tuesday, uh, bringing with him the same
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: urgent closing message we heard over the weekend. When you
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: stand up here, it's just like the love.
• 31:34
  Speaker 8: I could say the stupidest things and you clap, you know,
• 31:36
  Speaker 8: I love you so much.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: And they did. Yeah. And he was right. We put
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: that hypothesis to the test the whole time. And boy,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: have they all knocked it out of the park. On
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: the money, uh, Teddy Schlafer at The New York Times
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: reported on Monday that Elon Musk has dumped more than
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: $ 276 million into Republican groups and super PACs just since July,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: making him by far the biggest player in the midterms.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: And again, it was more than he even spent on
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: the 2024 presidential race. What were your takeaways from Teddy's piece?
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Big pictures that we have the most broken campaign finance
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: system on the planet. And then hopefully someday it will
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: upset people enough that we change it. Uh, but, uh,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: the more proximate thing I was thinking, I mean, the,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the total for Elon is now at 366 million in
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: the 25, 26 cycle, but we don't actually know the
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: full extent of his giving because he's also given to
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: dark money organizations that don't have to disclose it.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: So it could be way more, but it.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Does seem like Elon Musk's money is the sole reason
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: that Republicans were able to afford to dump $ 200 million
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: into Ken Paxton's race in Texas. He's like single-handedly potentially
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: saving that race. I also maybe wonder what's the kickback
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: going to be from Trump on the back end, right?
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Like Elon got to be deputy president the first time.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Didn't work out great. But you got to figure there's
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: going to be some big Pentagon contracts. Maybe Grok will
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: fly the F-35 or something.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that all of these fuckers now,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: just they are so close to realizing their AI dreams
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: and they just want to make sure that Trump lets
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: them continue to step on the gas and that there's
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: no regulation whatsoever, that Elon can continue to walk into
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: the Oval like he did and show him the latest Grok, show,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: you know, where he impressed him by showing like, look,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Grok thinks we should kidnap Maduro. Trump's like, put J.D.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: in a bikini.
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: Do it.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Do it.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: It's also just, so there was one number from in
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: there that just jumped out at me that he's putting,
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: I think it's 76 million into this canvassing operation for
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: low propensity Republicans, right? And if you wanna squint your
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: eyes and find the places to be worried, it's that
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: these polls are not wrong, but they're not capturing some
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: Republicans that might turn out and that could make the difference, right?
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: And maybe that's part of the theory. So that's a
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: bit alarming.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: The other question I had in all of this is
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump is sitting on $ 400 million and a lot
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: of these pieces are not about money being pulled, but
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: being reallocated and at least about to come in. And
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: you have all these people dropping hundreds of millions of dollars.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: And I, my question would be how much money is
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: going to be in Donald Trump's pack on the day
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: after election day, right? Like how much is he actually
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: going to put out of his thing? Should we take bets?
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Well, so it's already, I think, I think it's close
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: to 200 of that 400 they've spent. So we'll see.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: But like, we'll see, we'll see like how much, like
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: how much is he sitting on coming out of this?
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: You will sit. I bet it's at least a hundred million. There,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: there is one other way to look at it, which is, um, Elon,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: all these other Republican donors, Trump's PAC, they have already
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: spent hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars, much of
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: it concentrated in the month of September. And it has
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: done them very little, very little, very little. Now, in
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: that CNN piece, Republicans are saying, well, no, if we
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: hadn't spent all that money in September... it would have
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: been even worse. And the money we spent in September
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: has stopped this race from being over already and for
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: more of a bloodbath. Exactly what you'd expect a consultant
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: to say. Yeah, as they cash in for more ads, right? Yeah.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: But it is interesting to me. Like, I'm just... One
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: thing I'm going to be interested in after this race
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: is over is, like, more money was spent on this
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: race than any other race in history, including, like... We're reaching, like,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: presidential levels, if not more, right? At least from Elon.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: And.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: How much can a crazy amount of money still make
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: up for a dogshit political environment when people are like,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: fuck you? It's just so inefficient at the end, too. Like,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Tallarico was.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: On the air all summer long alone, I think, and running, like,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: local ad buys. Now Republicans and the super PACs are
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: buying nationally televised Texas football games to try to get
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: their message in front of people. And, like, there's just
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: so much wasted spend there. I think, like, I read
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: that story and I thought it was interesting that the
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: MAGA Inc. people decided to go out and pitch it.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: It's partly because like all these operatives like to brag
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: and hear themselves talk and just like can't help themselves. Also,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: like the ad traffic changes will be public. So you
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: might as well frame it up. But they're clearly pre-spinning defeat.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: And they're going to pin this whole thing on Ken
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Paxton if a bunch of races don't go their way
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: because they had to dump so much money into Texas.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: And like, sure, on some level, that's true. But also
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump could have endorsed John Cornyn and avoided the
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: whole problem.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're going to blame the candidates already starting to
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: do that because they can't blame Trump because that's not allowed.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: And I do think part of this is wanting to
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: be able to say after the fact, I know we
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: lost the Senate, but don't blame us. We put in
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: all the money we said we would. We did everything
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: we possibly could. The billionaires, the AI billionaires, the money,
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: we were there for you when you needed us. I'm sorry,
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Ken Paxton was a dipshit. Obviously, it's not your fault, sir,
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: glorious leader, but we did the best we could. The
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: other part of this too is the the money toward
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: the end, you know, in all of these stories, there's
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: this moment of lamentation about like the democratic billionaires just
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: aren't putting the same amount in, which is true. Part
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: of that is because those are people that all felt
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: burned by the waste of putting money into campaigns and
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: not feeling like there was a return. And I wonder
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: if that's, uh, not coming for, for these people after
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: this race. I think Elon has this sort of zealotry
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: of the convert. Uh, and for him, right, he's made
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: a trillion dollars. Uh, he's a trillionaire now or whatever
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: close to it. And so for him, The amount he's
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: putting out there pales in comparison to how much his
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: net worth has gone up over the course of this race.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: But for a lot of these people, $ 100 million.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: It's real money. It's a lot of money.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Also, for Republicans, political donations are an investment because then
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: they have a tax cut or deregulation or something on
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: the back end. For us, we go to our rich
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: people and we say, please vote for us and give
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: us money so that we can raise your taxes.
• 37:37
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: It's a little different deal. It's interesting that in 2025,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Musk said, in terms of political spending, I'm going to
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: do a lot less in the future. Clearly changes mind.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, I Clearly what happened there is he was
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: too much the public face of his involvement in politics.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: And I think probably the advisors around him and the
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: communications people at his many companies were like, hey, it's
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: probably hurting our bottom. It's probably pissing off investors, hurting
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: our bottom line voters.
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: And so maybe you can continue to be involved in politics,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: which you know you want to do, but just do
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: it with your money and mostly shut up and show
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: up at the White House every once in a while
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: and sit next to Trump and smile and just Don't
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: say anything else and maybe tweet a little less. Remember
• 38:17
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• 38:19
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Another big story we're watching. Federal agents from DHS raided
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: the D.C. home of Minnesota Congresswoman Ilhan Omar. Fox News
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: reported that it's related to the citizenship paperwork her father
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: filled out for her when she was a kid. She
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: was born in Somalia. So I think she was 12
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: when they came over here and she was 17 when
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: she became a citizen. Yeah. J.D. Vance told Benny Johnson
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: back in March that he thinks Omar committed, quote, immigration fraud.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: And DHS Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen said on Johnson's podcast
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: last month that the investigation was, quote, ongoing and that, quote,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: something's going to happen. He added, if we actually move
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: a case forward, it's not a political case. To Benny
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Johnson on his show. Wink, wink. About a case that's coming, yeah. Omar, who,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: like every member of the House, is up for reelection,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: responded to the raid by saying she won't be silenced.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: The House Democratic leadership put out a statement calling the
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: raid corrupt weaponization of the federal government against Donald Trump's enemies.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Trump himself was asked about the raid, and here's what
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: he said.
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: They're looking at her very carefully.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I've always found her to be totally crooked personally, but
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: that has nothing to do with me. I think she's
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: a terrible person, just a complainer.
• 42:01
  Speaker 8: She comes from a country that is a non-country, and
• 42:05
  Speaker 8: then she comes over here and she complains about our Constitution.
• 42:09
  Speaker 8: I think she's a terrible person, but that's really up
• 42:11
  Speaker 8: to the DOJ.
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: I have nothing to do with it.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: And then the bees got him. Dude, this is so annoying.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Go inside and do that. So much for the longstanding
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: precedent at DOJ that they don't investigate elected officials right
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: before an election. Guess that's out the window. Let alone
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: for alleged immigration fraud that supposedly involved her late father
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: when she was just a child. What do you make
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: of all this craziness?
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's clearly, I mean, it's outrageous to
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: do this in October of an election year. I mean,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: it's supposed to be like a 60-day blackout period.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: They're well within that.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: There's no indication that they couldn't have just done this
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: the day after the election and it would have harmed the.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Case in any way.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: The reporting around what happened is very weird, though. The
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: investigation was reportedly led by the Homeland Security Investigations Division
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: at DHS. And again, so folks on the timeline, Ilan
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: was born in Somalia.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Her family had to flee when a war erupted there.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: She did four years in a refugee camp in Kenya
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: and then came to the US at age 12, as
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: you said.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: So even if her dad did falsify the paperwork to
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: get her to the US, first of all, who could
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: blame him? And second of all, We generally don't hold
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: children culpable for crimes committed by their parents in this country.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: You're like, it's an outrageous thing. You can't if it's
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: a criminal investigation. There's a potential that they could do
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: a civil investigation to denaturalize her if for some reason
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: they found that the paperwork was fraudulent. But again, all
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: the reporting says it's a criminal investigation. Yeah.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: And so the question is, how did they get a
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: criminal search warrant? Um, Some of the reporting suggests there
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: might also be an investigation into personal finances or campaign
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: finances or something about it. There's some nebulous line in
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: some of the stories about an interaction with a foreign person.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: But we don't know. Obviously, we do know that these
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: guys were out to get her.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, J.D.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Vance in that interview you mentioned was talking about trying
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: to build a case with her and talking about it
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: with Stephen Miller. So this is coming from the highest
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: level of the White House. And it's just like Trump,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: the things he says about her. And everyone from Somalia,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: it's so racist and so vile.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: It's a non-country. He said it's a non-country.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: And again, like last thought, like if I don't want
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: to be alarmist, but if I was Donald Trump and
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: I was kind of flailing and looking at some, you know,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: last gasp way to cling to power and punish my enemies,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I would turn to DHS because they are extremely well-funded
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: for a very long time. You have built within DHS
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: this private militia force that he calls ICE. Uh, and
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: then there's this 7,000 person, uh, HSI group that does
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: these criminal investigations. And it's like, I, the whole thing
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: is very, very weird.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: And the, the, the, what about his.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Republicans are like, Oh, you were fine when Trump's, you know,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Mar-a-Lago was rated, but that wasn't right before an election,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: you know? And like, there was clear, like an evidentiary
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: basis because you left the top secret documents by the shitter.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Also. Yeah. Also Joe Biden wasn't running around being like, well,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I think there's some stolen documents there that we're going to,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: we're going to bring a case against him. And then
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: it turns out there were, and there was plenty of evidence.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: So yeah, two things.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: One, uh, like that 60 day rule, it's just a
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: kind of cultural rule. Like let's all be respectful of
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: the democratic system and, and not, uh, launch investigations that
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: will be sensationalized in the last days of an election.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: That's why what James Comey did in 2016 was so
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: despicable because he The reason you don't do this is
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: because you understand that first of all, people are innocent
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: until proven guilty and a raid of a home or
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: a press conference about potential charges. All of it is
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: salacious and garners attention and makes people look terrible. There've
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: actually been examples of, of raids and things that take
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: place in the 60 day windows. A Republican member of
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: Congress who to this day thinks he was railroaded by
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: actually the DOJ under Bush because of an investigation into his, uh,
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: related to his sister that I think cost him the seat, whatever.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Uh, like it's a cultural thing. Right.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: And so why do you go after Elon Omar? Well, because, uh,
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: you know, you try it out, you see how far
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: you get, right? Like I'm Trump will have DOJ going
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: into a presidential election. We can expect them to try
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: to weaponize it against any prominent Democrat. They're already trying
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: to do that against Gavin Newsom when it comes to
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: like the, and, and the thing is the reason it
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: has always been so important that you enforce the laws
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: and find the guilty and don't go after people and
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: find the laws they broke is because we understand that
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: in a In a society of laws, people will make mistakes.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: And if you go digging, you can find someone. If
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: your citizenship paperwork can be opened up at any moment
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: because of a mistake, because of a reason, because someone
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: doesn't like you, no naturalized citizen can trust that their
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: citizenship is secure. And that citizenship is what protects all
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: the rights under it. And so like that is what
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: makes all of this so dangerous. That is why it
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: is similar to when they send two random fucking DOJ
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: people to Wyoming to go investigate the election. They are
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: testing what they can get away with and they are socializing.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: what they're going to try to do at scale in
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: future elections.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: It's completely fucked up. And I was like, why not?
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: You could probably, if there's paperwork issues, you could try
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: a subpoena first, right? And before you do a raid,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: I was sort of wondering too, like how they got a,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: because a judge signed off on this warrant. DOJ got
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: the warrant, even though HSI did the investigation or actually
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: raided the house. But I guess like you only need
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: probable cause of a crime uh, that will be found
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: at the place. Right. So they could say that like
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: somehow maybe they think that her father's paperwork could be
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: found at the house. You probably need more than that.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: It's probably more than I, yeah, I reached out to
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: a couple of lawyers today. I think we don't know.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: We don't know. And we also know that.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: The Biden TOJ opened and then shut some sort of
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: investigation into Ilhan Omar. So obviously the Trump administration people
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: know that. So they'll probably try to like use that.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Who knows? I like it. Nothing. None of it's on
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: the level.
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: But the point is to do it, uh, Close to
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: an election and, you know, and then make a big
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: fucking deal out of it. Speaking of tin pot dictatorship,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: we haven't had a chance to talk about the literal
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: snuff film our government wants to produce. Pete Hegseth announced
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: last week that he intends to live stream the death
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: by firing squad execution of Nidal Hassan, who killed 13
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: unarmed soldiers in the horrific attack at Fort Hood back
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: in 2009. Here's Hegseth breaking the news.
• 48:15
  Speaker 8: Execution by firing squad. Army major betrays his country. Radical
• 48:19
  Speaker 8: Islamist kills a bunch of Americans at Fort Hood. Of course,
• 48:22
  Speaker 8: we're going to do it at Fort Hood and do
• 48:24
  Speaker 8: it on a Thursday. We're going to do it at
• 48:25
  Speaker 8: one o'clock, which is when he did it. And it's
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: going to be soldiers with rifles executing the firing squad.
• 48:30
  Speaker 8: And we'll make sure that people are able to watch it.
• 48:33
  Speaker 8: That is public because people need to understand that this
• 48:37
  Speaker 8: is a serious consequence for these types of things.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: So if Trump and Hegseth go through with it as
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: scheduled on December 3rd, Hassan's death would be America's first
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: public execution in almost a century. Democrats and the UN,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: of course, condemned the decision, along with several Republicans. Here's
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: how the three highest-ranking Republicans responded. I've seen these announcements.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know that that's actually going to happen. Let's
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: sort of see what— I think it's going to happen in
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: December when he's executed. I was very busy yesterday when
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: that news broke, and I haven't had a chance to
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: talk to the president about that or Vice President Vance
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: or Hegsath. But there are colleagues who have concerns.
• 49:13
  Speaker 7: He was vicious.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: He was violent. There are two thoughts. Don't show it
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: and show it. Because, you know, by showing it, maybe
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: other people won't be doing what he did. So I'll
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: make a decision ultimately. So those comments from Trump came
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: a day after he said he absolutely approved the livestream plans.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Mark Caputo at Axios also reported that Trump has, quote,
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: privately shared misgivings about the livestream idea. I think there's
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: a chance the blowback actually makes Trump back down from
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: this one?
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think I look who I'd be shocked
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: if this goes through. It seems like a kind of adult,
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: dumb secretary of defense going off with this idea without
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: having thought it all the way through or without talking
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: to anybody particularly smart about why it's a terrible idea.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: People obviously is morally despicable. But it He just doesn't,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: why does he think, Pete Hegsad, think that we don't
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: do public executions? Is it because we're woke? Does he
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: think it's because we've.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: Gotten too woke? We stopped doing it because these were
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: big public spectacles. And actually, to the point a lot
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: of people made about this, oh, you think it's going
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: to be a deterrent? You think people that want to
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: go out in a blaze of glory will really hate
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: the idea of knowing that if they commit a gruesome murder,
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: they'll get to be killed in front of the world stage?
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: And it actually goes back to why we stopped doing
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: this in the first place, right? It wasn't because people
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: weren't interested. Tens of thousands of people gathered at the
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: last public execution. But these spectacles were not something people
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: could control. And what would happen? People would yell. People
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: would scream. The person about to be executed would give
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: a speech. People would cheer for them. People would try
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: to free them. People would get drunk and they would fight.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: It was a disgusting display. And it wasn't just the
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: do-gooders who were against capital punishment who thought it was
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: a vulgar act and wrong kind of aesthetically and morally.
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: It was actually advocates for the death penalty. who thought, oh,
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: let's get this behind closed doors because then people won't
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: see how gruesome and despicable it was.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: They thought it was a way to prolong it. There's
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: a reason they ring bells.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: When the executions moved, sorry, this just, I happened to
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: read a book about this recently. When the executions were
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: moved behind the prison walls in England, they would ring
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: the bells and the neighbors would ask the prison, can
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: you please stop ringing the bells when you do the executions?
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: Because it's making us all uncomfortable and it reminds us all,
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: this is where you're doing your killing. And that the, uh,
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: The warden was like, nope, unfortunately, we're going to continue
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: ringing the bells.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: So you think they should be public then? No, no, no.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: I'm against the death penalty, but I don't think Pete
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: Hegseth has thought through what he would be doing for
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: the death penalty.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: He's just a comic, evil, fucking wannabe alpha man. This
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: is the high-T version of this. It's the same time,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: same place. We're going to kill him here with rifles.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Shut up, man.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: If Nidal Hasan killed your relative or something, like, and
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: witnessing the execution helps you find closure.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Um, but to, to live stream it to the world,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: like we look barbaric. Al Qaeda will use it to
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: make him a martyr. Um, the guy's in a wheelchair.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: He's a 56 year old man. When he shot up
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Fort hood, they shot back.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: He was wounded. He's can't move from the waist down.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: So you're murdering an old man in a wheelchair.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: And you think that's like the high T thing or
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: it's like fucking, um, psycho Pete Hegseth stuff. It's always
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: these religious fanatics who are born again that love this stuff. Like,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: I hope this gets walked back.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to your point, they did interview a couple of
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: the family members. The daughter of someone who was killed,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: daughter of Michael Grant Cahill, objected to the whole broadcast
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: because she said it turns the tragedy into a public
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: spectacle and it shifts the attention away from the victims, which,
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: so that's like, that's at least one family member. But like, look,
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: there's all the like pragmatic reasons not to do it, right?
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Which is, Like, what about the members of the firing squad, right? Like,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: will they be known to the world now? What about
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: the rest of the military, putting the rest of the
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: military in danger?
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Al Qaeda threatened to kill prisoners in their custody if
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: this happens.
• 53:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: What about kids who stumble upon the live stream? We're
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: going to do this now? The government's just going to let...
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: And it's like, I oppose the death penalty, but you
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: don't have to oppose the death penalty to find this
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: morally repugnant. Like, if... What additional purpose is served by turning...
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: the death of someone into a public spectacle. There is not.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: And why is our government inviting us to become spectators
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: to the violent death of another human being? One of
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: the reasons, like you said, we stopped it a fucking
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: century ago is because it is degrading and dehumanizing, not
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: to the person being killed, executed, but by all the
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: rest of us. Yes.
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: It's, uh, and, and the Hegseth sort of stumbles upon his,
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: on his words there when he goes, well, because it's
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: a deterrent.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: So people know you're not supposed to do this.
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: It's like, are you, are you, do you think that
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: people under the impression you can commit mass shootings on
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: military basis?
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Like we are all so close to doing it. And
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: then I saw that guy got, get murdered by our
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: military on, on live TV. And so now I'm going
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: to hold off on my plans.
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: Do you think Hassan, this guy that did this, do
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: you think he was under the impression that he was
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: going to get away with it?
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: Like we there, like, This is somebody who went in
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: with this under the expectation that they were either going
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: to die then, die in the future, whatever, go out
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: in this blaze of glory. Why are you giving them
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: the fucking glory? Like, why would you do that?
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Fucking moron.
• 54:25
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: All right. Before we get to Leavitt's interview with Chris Pappas,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: we got some Kim Guilfoyle updates. I know you've all
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: been waiting for those. Dan and I talked about the
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal and Daily Mail stories on Friday's show,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: which involved Guilfoyle soliciting $ 100, 000 from a Trump donor to
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: pay off her Amex card. in exchange for the promise
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: of access she never delivered, along with her champagne-fueled Greek
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: party life as ambassador. Over the weekend, the journal published
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: another piece about Guilfoyle's overly friendly relationship with two wealthy
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Greek businessmen who reportedly bankrolled her private jet travel and
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: luxury hotel stays. One of the businessmen benefited from Guilfoyle
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: telling other countries to buy his natural gas, and she
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: was also caught on tape bragging about the PJs and
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: calling one of the businessmen her people. She also threw
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: a temper tantrum after not being able to get into
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: a dinner party for Eric Trump being held at Greek
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: House Davos. The horror. According to the AP and other outlets,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Trump and Marco Rubio are now considering firing Guilfoyle, with
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: a senior U.S. official telling the AP that the president
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: and secretary of state, who was just in Greece defending Guilfoyle, are, quote,
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: extremely pissed off. And here's what Trump had to say
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: about the situation on Monday. Oh, yeah. So, like, I
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: suspected that Trump may not fire her because she knows
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: where all the bodies are buried, having been almost a
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Trump family member. But it sounds like she's going now.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: What do you guys think? They tried to bury her
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: ass in Greece. It didn't work so well. Yeah, I know.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Too close to the sun.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: My son dumped her like a dog, and now so
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: did I. I just want to say, I cannot get
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: enough of these fucking stories.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: These are the best.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: What's amazing is they're all going to the Wall Street Journal,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: but they're kind of disconnected. So it can't be the
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: same source. It's like someone, people just all over the
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: world just fucking hate her guts and are running to
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal to talk about it.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, from her text, I understand.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the first story is like the lobbyist thing,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: and then she threatened to topple the Greek government.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: That's a fun little detail. Yeah.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: My favorite part about the Amex story is repeatedly scolding
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: him in writing for putting the crimes in writing. She says, Eric,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: I really wish you would stop papering all these things.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Then there's this IG report.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you and Dan talked about this,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: where she fired her head of security.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Or demoted him. This is my favorite part.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: She called him at 4 a.m. looking for more ice. Obviously,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: shit face and Mykonos. And it was some grandpa who
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: was like on her security detail. And then the story- Demoted.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Demoted. The next day.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: And then like- A recording of her unable to get
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: into Eric Trump's party is the funniest thing in the world.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: You were engaged to his brother. Eric Trump's party? And
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: some Greek business guy, one of her sugar daddies is
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: on the guest list and she's like, you should be
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: kissing my ass. She should be kissing my fucking ass.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: That's the quote.
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: I also think it doesn't really matter that she knows
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: where any of these bodies are buried because even if
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: he fires her, she's going to need a pardon.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Right? Like she is, she is going to need it.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: He's a, he, she broke, it's so brazen that the
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: texts are so brazen. And by the way, she wasn't
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: undone because they put it in writing. She was undone
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: because he showed this text that he is leaking. He's
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: going a big, he like, he's on the record saying
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: it was definitely a quid pro quo. Like he is
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: basically saying that she was asking for and receiving bribes. God,
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: God only knows what details we'll find out about the
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: relationship with these, uh, these Greek businessmen.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: So, like, she's really fucked. She does have diplomatic immunity. So, like,
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: she might not even need the pardon. Diplomatic immunity.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: I don't, listen, I know how it works from Lethal
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: Weapon 2, but I'm not sure how, I don't know
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: that it protects you from taking outright bribes before you
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: were confirmed.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: Before you were confirmed. Right, right.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: The quotes are amazing. I see Nikos every fucking day.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: I'm flying with him to Paris. I'm with him for
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: a fucking week. He loves me, honey. I spend Christmas
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: with him.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: New Year's okay. Shtod. Like, everywhere. You know, someone was
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: saying last week when the source came out, like, are
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: we supposed, is the... Are we supposed to believe that
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: maybe there was more than a friendship or a business
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: relationship with her? And I'm like, actually, now reading all
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: of the texts, I kind of think that's just how
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: she talks to people, which is like just an annoying
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: fucking person who's like.
• 58:37
  Speaker 8: Hey, baby.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Hey, honey. Fly me here. Fly me there. This is
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: like she seems like she sucks. Did you guys read?
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Did you guys catch the response quote from the embassy?
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Like some poor flack had to give this. The unsubstantiated
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: claims are simply a distraction from the great work she
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: is doing in Greece and.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: The broader eastern Mediterranean. I love that they had to
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: throw in the broader eastern Mediterranean.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: That is such an NSC goon. I guess she's also
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: responsible for what's happening in Cyprus. I assume that's what
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: it is.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes. She's doing a lot of good work there.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Just toppling the rain. How awesome that Marco Rubio is
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: so pissed. He gives this big fucking speech in front
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: of the Acropolis and is just completely overshadowed by this
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: dingbat that they fucking put in Greece.
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: It's funny to say. It's very, you know, he's got
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: the hubris. She's staring at her reflection in the fucking pond.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's so arrogant that he is giving a speech
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: about saving Western civilization, and it's destroyed by the U.S.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: ambassador to Greece, a person you should not know exists
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: or ever hear from, and yet she ruins all of
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: the stories.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: It was incredible. Honestly, it's a great symbol for, like,
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: what Marco Rubio's entire presidential run at some point will
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: be like, is he, like, tries so hard to sort
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: of present himself as this sort of stable, normal adult-in-the-room Republican.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: And all the shit he's done by being connected to
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: the Trump administration is just going to keep fucking biting
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: that guy in the ass.
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: It's almost as if he's going to have to keep
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: rolling this boulder up a hill. And it's going to
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: keep rolling back down over and over and over again.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: And he was so pissy with it. He's like, you
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: guys think this is gospel? I don't think it's gospel.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to keep it real quick. He's like, just
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: absolutely a whiny bitch. I like that you've given him
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: a list. I think that's great. He definitely has one. Yeah, no,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: I'm in.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: Imagine just having to go to your ex's dad to
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: get a pardon.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: You know, like you don't know what kind of terms
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: are you on?
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: You know, like she's got to text Don and be like, hey,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: I think he's going to do like literally write down
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: the names of every single person who has ever worked
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  Speaker 2: in the Trump administration. And I'm pardoning all of them
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 7: Oh, no.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: There will be no requests. Except for you, Kristi Noem.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: There'll be a couple who don't get it. Yeah, he'll
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: go through anyone who like really pissed him off.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: I realized that Kim follows me on Twitter.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: So I followed back and I DM'd her.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, really?
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: What did you think? I just thought I'd said.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: Amex?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: Do you have Amex issues? No, I said sup Kimbo Slice.
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  Speaker 1: Congrats on the epic run of press coverage. Not sure
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: how they roll in Greece, but here in America, we
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: respect the big baller lifestyle. Want to come on my
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: show and talk about it. We can tell off that
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: dumb ass security guard.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: He wouldn't get you ice. Nice. Let me see if
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: she wrote back. Tell me, were you jealous when Jared
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: Kushner follows me? Yeah. Should I DM him? Do you
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: want a message? Is there a message that you want
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: me to send to Jared? Have you followed him back? Yes,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: I have. I did do the follow back. I felt
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: embarrassed that I hadn't been following Jared Kushner.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Send him a note that's like, hey, man, sorry that
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: my co-host called you a literal war profiteer.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: We don't even like that guy anymore. If you ever
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: want to talk about it, here's my number. Perfect. All right.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 1:01:36
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  Speaker 4: Joining me now, he's a member of Congress running for
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  Speaker 4: Senate against former Republican Senator John Sununu.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: Chris Pappas, welcome to the show.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 7: Great to be on. Thanks for having me.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: Let's start with this.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: Your family restaurant, the Puritan Backroom, I could not believe this.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: Your family claims to have invented the chicken tender.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 7: Well, it's been written. So we long didn't really claim it.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: And publications like the New York Times have done the
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 7: research and dug into the issue and credited us with pioneering,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 7: inventing the chicken tender, whatever term you want to use.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 7: But we sell a lot of fried chicken tenders these days,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 7: usually 10,000, 12,000 pounds a week, sometimes a lot more
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  Speaker 7: than that during the busy season.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: Yes, obviously they're You know, there are many who make
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: similar claims. Is there technically a difference between a chicken
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: tender and a chicken finger?
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I think there is. Like a nugget is
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 7: very different from a tender, is different from a finger.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 7: I think like a nugget is processed, ground up chicken, right?
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 7: I think a finger could be any piece of chicken,
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  Speaker 7: but a tender is a specific muscle on the chicken itself.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 7: So there are only two per every bird.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for clarifying that.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I feel like if my family had
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: invented something as wonderful or been affiliated with potentially having
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: invented something as wonderful as the chicken tender, I think
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: I'd make it a bigger part of my campaign.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're making a mistake.
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  Speaker 7: It's out there. Most New Hampshire voters have eaten there
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: at one point in time. So usually when I'm talking
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: to voters, the first thing I hear is, I met
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: my spouse at your restaurant. I love going there for
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 7: family functions or whatever it happens to be. So it's great.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 7: And actually, a few weeks ago, we had Joey Chestnut
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: in town. And he led a chicken tender eating contest
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 7: at the local minor league ballpark because Manchester has been
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: declared the chicken tender capital of the world by the mayor.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 7: So there's a lot of chicken tender lore in this
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 7: city here.
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  Speaker 2: How many did he eat? Do we know how many
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: he ate?
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  Speaker 7: He ate, I think, 50 pieces in five minutes. And
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 7: there were teams of three people each that could not
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 7: eat more than the one Joey Chestnut could in the
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  Speaker 7: five minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty cool.
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  Speaker 4: So your opponent actually said to a room full of
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: Republicans that he's running to send you back to busing
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: tables at the Puritan. He seems like a guy that's
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: really in touch with the working people of New Hampshire.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's like a slow pitch right over the
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: plate for you. What was your reaction to that?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, it does show how elite and out of
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 7: touch this young Sununu is, who's part of a very
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 7: famous political dynasty in New Hampshire. I don't think this
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 7: guy knows what hard work looks like. And when you
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 7: run a local business, you do everything from top to bottom.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 7: And I did that for about 15 years between college
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 7: and getting elected to the House in 2018. But the
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 7: fact is, there's dignity in all work, including bussing tables,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 7: washing dishes, serving other people. That's how I discovered public
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 7: service to begin with. It was working at my family business,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 7: running the show there, being part of the local community.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 7: And John Sununu clearly is out of touch. He's part
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 7: of an elite political class. He's been our U.S. senator before.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 7: When he was defeated by voters, he went and fed
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 7: at the corporate trough for the last 18 years, working
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 7: for corporate special interests and one of the biggest lobbying
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 7: firms in D.C. So this guy doesn't know what hard
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 7: work looks like.
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  Speaker 4: So you mentioned that he has this name, Sununu. It's
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: obviously a big New Hampshire political name. He wants credit
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: for having been anti-Trump in the past while embracing the
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: Trump endorsement and the agenda now.
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  Speaker 2: He has an ad up, and I want to.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: Roll a clip of it because it basically just says,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: don't believe the haters, something like this.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: Oh, the things you'll hear about me in this campaign.
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  Speaker 2: They'll say I'm a d * * * that when
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: I was in Congress, I d * * *. It
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: goes on like that.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: It seems like people are hoping that the name and
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: sort of the independent vibe will carry the day and
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: that they won't kind of hear the argument that you're making.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: What was your response to that ad?
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 7: Well, the good news is the more this guy's on TV,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 7: the more they recognize that he's not his younger, more affable,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 7: gregarious brother who was our moderate governor for about eight years. So,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 7: you know, I think that we want him to be
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: out there as much as possible so they realize which
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 7: Sununu he is. But, The guy just doesn't relate well
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: to voters. He's running a very 1996 campaign, which was
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 7: the first year he ran for Congress. He's been in
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 7: office or working in Washington for 30 years. And I
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 7: think he just doesn't get what this moment is about.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 7: This is a moment where people are so hungry for change,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 7: including generational change. They want new voices at the table.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 7: And the last thing we need is to put someone
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 7: back in office who was there before and who didn't
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 7: get the job done for New Hampshire. I mean, he
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 7: was drummed out of office in 2008 because he was
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 7: down the line for George W. Bush and the unpopular
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 7: policies of the moment. And now he's sidling up with
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 7: Donald Trump in this election where people want to fundamentally
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 7: change the way Washington works and want people who are
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 7: going to stand up to this president and the policies
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 7: that are making life more expensive. So he's trying to
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 7: do everything he can to relate, but he's a pretty
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 7: lazy campaigner. We're running circles around the guy. The only
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 7: thing he has going for him is his big name
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 7: and tens and tens of millions of dollars of out-of-state
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 7: money that's flooding into New Hampshire, which is making this
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 7: race close.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: I was for you to bring up the name. You know,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: you've had center races that are decided by about a
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: thousand votes. I mean, these things can be, New Hampshire
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: can be razor thin. There is the, it's been noted
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: that his campaign signs do not say his first name.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: They say Sununu, uh, because he's counting on there being
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: some confusion. Are you hearing about, like, is this something
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: you're actually feeling and worrying about inside your campaign? Is
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: it actually something you need to address to make sure
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: people understand which Sununu is running?
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 7: It's less of an issue now than it was maybe
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 7: a year ago or six months ago. I think people
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 7: are figuring it out because they're seeing him on their
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 7: television sets and on their screens. Yeah, he doesn't put
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 7: his first name on his signs. And frankly, he didn't
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 7: when he first ran for Congress in the 1990s because
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 7: at that time he was hoping people would confuse him
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 7: with his dad, who was our governor back in the 80s.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 7: So look, he's part of this family dynasty. New Hampshire
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 7: deserves so much more than this right now. We need
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 7: a full-time senator who understands the challenges out there, who
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 7: knows the communities of this state, who understands how our
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 7: small business economy works, and who will stand up to
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 7: Trump and the political class in Washington, D.C. He's part
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 7: of that broken system. And he's the last person that
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 7: can bring change and challenge the status quo for New Hampshire.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: So if you're in the Senate, you've said that there
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: has to be accountability for the Trump administration while focusing
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: on the economic issues that are driving a lot of
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: the discontent with the Trump administration. Now, Your colleague Thomas
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: Massey proposed an impeachment resolution for Hegseth. If you're in
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: the Senate, would you like to see a Democratic House
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: impeach Hegseth so that there can be accountability for the
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: Iran war and other abuses of power through that kind
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: of a trial?
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: Do you think that's a worthwhile endeavor?
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 7: Well, one of the reasons why I think that we
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 7: were sent home by Mike Johnson early was because he
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 7: didn't want this resolution to be on the floor. because
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 7: he knew it was going to be a political problem
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 7: for Republicans, and he was afraid he might actually lose
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 7: some Republicans on that vote. Look, that's a process, obviously,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 7: that starts in the House. I, as a House member,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 7: have had the unfortunate opportunity to vote on two Trump impeachments,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 7: the first one back in 2019, and then again in
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 7: the wake of January 6th. I will always stand up
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 7: for my oath of office. And there's got to be
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 7: accountability for these guys. The fact that Pete Hegseth has
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 7: fired or drummed out dozens and dozens of top military officials,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 7: continues to lie to the American people about how this
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 7: war is progressing, is hiding basic information from the American
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 7: public and from Congress. We have to reckon with that. And,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 7: you know, that starts by ensuring that we are not
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 7: confirming unqualified appointees like Hegseth, that we have committees that
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 7: are actually holding real hearings about including on the way
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 7: this war has been conducted, which hasn't been done in
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 7: the Senate to date because Republicans refuse to dig in
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 7: on those topics. So this is about national security and
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 7: making sure we have the right people in the right
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 7: place to keep America safe and keep our troops out
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 7: of harm's way. And I do hope that we can
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 7: focus on ensuring that there is accountability for Trump administration
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 7: officials who have been flouting the law and the Constitution
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 7: and have been making our country less safe, while at
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 7: the same time making sure that we don't lose sight
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 7: of what people want us to focus on, uh, here
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 7: all across the country, which is the affordability crisis, bringing
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 7: down costs, making this economy fair. We can do both
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 7: at the same time, uh, but it shouldn't come at
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 7: the expense of how we can make progress for the
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 7: American people.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: So you'd be the first openly gay man elected to
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: the Senate. We've had, um, some women who have been elected,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: but you'd be the first guy. I don't feel like
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: anybody cares or is really talking about it. I think
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: that actually, if you asked a lot of people, they
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: would have no idea that you would be breaking this barrier.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: Do you think it's important? Do you care? Do people
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: ask you about it?
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 7: Well, I always have to add the caveat that we
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 7: know of.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: Well, of course.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, for sure.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 7: Hundreds and hundreds of senators elected through the years, and
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 7: no doubt there was someone who was in the closet
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 7: at one point in time.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 7: But look, I'm not running to make history clearly, but
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 7: it is interesting that we are continuing to take steps
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 7: forward in this country, even while this administration and Republicans
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 7: play the culture wars and target the LGBTQ plus community
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 7: with some of the most cynical attacks. And, you know,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 7: as someone who grew up in New Hampshire, I've lived
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 7: my whole life here, I wasn't sure as a kid
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 7: that I would be able to have a full life,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 7: that I would be able to find love, that I
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 7: would be able to represent New Hampshire as an out
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 7: gay man in Congress. So it's a signal of how
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 7: far we've come. We've got more progress to make. But
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 7: this campaign is really not about making history. It's about
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 7: making a difference for New Hampshire, how we fight to
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 7: change things in Washington, stand up to this president and
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 7: make people's lives better.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: I wonder if you'd inspire other closeted members of Congress
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: to come out.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: You're in the House right now. There are closet cases
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: all over that building.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: Do you have any of your gaydar ever going off
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: in the hallways?
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 7: Look, we have the largest equality caucus that we have
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 7: ever had in congressional history. And we are always open
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 7: to new members.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: Okay. All right.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: Well, that's not a no.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: I'm not hearing a no.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: I have not thought that, boy, that seemed like a
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: closet case walking by me in the hallway.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: But you don't, right? Some of these Republicans, I mean,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: come on.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 7: Everyone should be able to be themselves. The thing I
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 7: have a problem with is folks that have family members,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 7: you know, people that have staff members, and they're voting
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 7: against their fundamental dignity and full equality under the law.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 7: So we will take any converts who are willing to
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 7: actually step up and make sure we're including everyone in
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 7: the destiny of this country.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: It is serious, and I know, and I know. All right,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: last question for you. You got tens of millions of dollars.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: Elon Musk put some money in. This Koch-backed group, billionaire-backed
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: right-wing group has put in, I think, like $ 15 million.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: The Senate Republican PAC is putting in another $ 17 million.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: There's a huge amount of money coming in. First of all,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: what are they trying to do and what do you need?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: What are you trying to do right now to kind
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: of fight back against this money that's coming in?
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, look, they're trying to muddy the water. If this
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 7: election is about people's feelings on the economy, people's feelings
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 7: about Donald Trump and the direction of this country, we're
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 7: going to build the broad coalition of Democrats, independents, and
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 7: Republicans that we need to win a tough Senate race.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 7: But if they succeed in making it about anything other
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 7: than that, and they've got messaging all across the board
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 7: on a number of different topics and really just trying
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  Speaker 7: to make voters, I think, numb and walk away from
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  Speaker 7: their responsibilities this election. if it's about anything other than
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  Speaker 7: those core issues, you know, Johnson and who could win
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  Speaker 7: the Senate race. So, you know, we just want to
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  Speaker 7: do our part in New Hampshire to lock down a
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  Speaker 7: tough seat and ensure that then we can take the
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  Speaker 7: steps in the four other states we need to flip
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  Speaker 7: the Senate majority. So people can go to chrispappas.org, help
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  Speaker 7: us flip the Senate, help us do it one state
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  Speaker 7: at a time. This is a state where we had
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  Speaker 7: a Senate race in 2016 that was decided by 1,017 votes.
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  Speaker 7: Those 1,017 votes saved the Affordable Care Act. back a
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  Speaker 7: few years ago. So politics is a game of inches here.
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  Speaker 7: We're an all-election-day voting state, so we've got to work
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  Speaker 7: hard over the next 22 or so days to get
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  Speaker 7: out the vote and win this thing. And as long
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  Speaker 7: as we can communicate our message, I feel hopeful about
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  Speaker 7: what we're going to be able to do here and
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  Speaker 7: in so many other battleground states across the country. Voters
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  Speaker 7: are on to this president. He has breached trust with
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  Speaker 7: the American people, including people that voted for him in
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  Speaker 7: the last election. So this is a moment where we
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  Speaker 7: can really broaden the conversation beyond just the base of
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  Speaker 7: the Democratic Party and talk to people's challenges and how
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  Speaker 7: we can do a lot better.
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  Speaker 2: Chris Pappas, good luck and thank you for being here.
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  Speaker 7: Thanks so much.
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  Speaker 2: That's our show for today. Thanks, Chris Pappas, for coming on.
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