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Cardinals Take Cubs Series, Tarps Off vs PCA, Too Many Catchers? · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory.
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  Speaker 1: Jim Hayes along with my pal Kyle Gibson and Kyle.
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  Speaker 1: How about those?
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  Speaker 3: And then what people don't realize is that and what
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  Speaker 3: they don't realize is that when we get there, you're
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  Speaker 3: going tarps off.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go all right.
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  Speaker 3: When you're gonna do this, must see. It might be
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  Speaker 3: like a Thursday day game or a Monday day game.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you'll be at the park already.
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  Speaker 3: That would actually be the best bit, Jim, if you
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  Speaker 3: could have prepared a tarp's off video for Clint to
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  Speaker 3: work right in seamlessly. As soon as that your bit
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  Speaker 3: then we say we did it, and then Clint, Clint
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  Speaker 3: cuts right there to your video of Jim Hayes standing
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  Speaker 3: on the pictures mount a Bush Stadium tarps off, waving
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  Speaker 3: it around.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think we just we just got it
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  Speaker 2: right there.
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  Speaker 1: You should work in Hollywood. I don't know if that's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be reality, but it certainly is a good storyline.
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  Speaker 3: You said, here, listen, you're back pedaling real quick. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't reverse the other day. I thought reverse, you're going
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  Speaker 3: so fast.
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  Speaker 1: No, you said the other day that there was backpedaling.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. I said, if we get the seven
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  Speaker 1: thousand over the next couple of day games, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: that's a couple of shows as a result of the
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  Speaker 1: tarps off thing. I'd go tarps off, but someone will
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  Speaker 1: check on that. But you know, we do have We
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  Speaker 1: had tarps off at Bush Stadium. We had the Cubs
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  Speaker 1: in ten, we had the ballpark rocket and the Cards
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  Speaker 1: took two or three. I mean, that's the kind of
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  Speaker 1: atmosphere that the Cardinals used to have, hope to have
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  Speaker 1: in the future. But as a veteran player, how much
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  Speaker 1: more fun is it when you're in an atmosphere like that.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about seamless transition.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, you transitioned away from tarps Off and Jim Hayes
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  Speaker 3: so fast.
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  Speaker 2: That was really good, really good, pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: I obviously for the weekend. So I don't know what
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  Speaker 3: the atmosphere was like, but I do feel like when
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  Speaker 3: I see videos of tarps Off, this section is getting
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  Speaker 3: bigger and as more people, and yeah, I think it's
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  Speaker 3: probably getting a little roudier.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Necessarily think in my time of being in the big
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  Speaker 3: leagues that that was the mo o of playing at
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  Speaker 3: Bush Stadium, right, You weren't going in there to a
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  Speaker 3: rowdy tarps Off crowd. So I think that's something that's
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  Speaker 3: probably a pleasant, you know, a pleasant change for some fans.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe some fans don't like it.
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  Speaker 2: But I can tell you.
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  Speaker 3: A young team that's out there trying to find their
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  Speaker 3: identity and keep their culture going. I bet this young
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  Speaker 3: team loves it, and I bet they're probably embracing it
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  Speaker 3: in a big way.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, I think, I know it adds to it.
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  Speaker 3: I know playing in those type of atmospheres is a
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  Speaker 3: lot of fun, So I'm sure these young teams the
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  Speaker 3: same things really enjoy them.
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  Speaker 1: No, they absolutely love it. I mean, Mason Wynn loves it.
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  Speaker 1: Herrera after his walk off the rowics he's going us
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  Speaker 1: with the crowd of POSO. Did it look it's a
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  Speaker 1: it's a it's a young tarps off crowd, although I
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  Speaker 1: will say it's all shape, sizes and ages. There's some
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  Speaker 1: older guys out there. Al Raboski went tarps off the
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  Speaker 1: other day for the crowd. But they also do it
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  Speaker 1: in right center and the bleachers right so, and they
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  Speaker 1: haven't marked off that it's an energy section and they
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  Speaker 1: want people to tarps off if they want and be loud,
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  Speaker 1: but be respectful. And my experience by going up there
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  Speaker 1: is everyone was pretty was you know, pretty respectful, and
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  Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of foul language. Every once in
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  Speaker 1: a while some of the chants that they start a
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  Speaker 1: little bit off color. Now here's the thing, though sometimes
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  Speaker 1: it can backfire. I don't know how much you saw
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  Speaker 1: this this weekend about Pete Crow Armstrong, PA had a
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  Speaker 1: big game Saturday. He had four hits. He homered into
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  Speaker 1: the tarps off section where they had just been chanting
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  Speaker 1: overrated and then and then he ends the game with
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  Speaker 1: a great sliding catch. So every once in a while,
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  Speaker 1: but here's the thing, I hope you saw this video.
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  Speaker 1: So Armstrong homers into the tarps off section and they
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  Speaker 1: go to throw the ball back, and whoever with the
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  Speaker 1: tarpsaw member arm wasn't strong enough to throw a ten
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  Speaker 1: feet over the wall. He hits a cub fan who
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  Speaker 1: ends up keeping the baseball. You gotta be better than that.
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  Speaker 3: I saw the throw. I'm guessing it wasn't the best.
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  Speaker 3: Wasn't the best I've seen. In all fairness, I've seen
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  Speaker 3: first pitches from the mound look worse. So I don't
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  Speaker 3: think it was the worst throw that has been made,
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  Speaker 3: Probably not even the worst that has been made from
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  Speaker 3: the seats, but it is. It adds a nice touch
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  Speaker 3: when you throw a ball back and it makes it
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  Speaker 3: to the field, adds a nice touch. That cubspan probably
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  Speaker 3: really enjoyed it though, probably gave them a nice little
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  Speaker 3: got your right back to.
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  Speaker 1: You well hit him in the back of the head.
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  Speaker 1: Then he ended up picking up the ball and showing
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  Speaker 1: it off like a trophy. But I gotta say it
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  Speaker 1: the bare minimum. If you're gonna attempt to throw the
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  Speaker 1: ball back, you gotta get it on the field. Otherwise
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  Speaker 1: give it to a friend, have a designated thrower. That
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  Speaker 1: was a bad look. So the next thing I want
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  Speaker 1: to ask you about. And you've you've seen villains a
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  Speaker 1: plenty in Major League Baseball, maybe beloved by your team,
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  Speaker 1: but villains for other fan bases. But Pete Crow Armstrong,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he said some vulgar things to a fan
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  Speaker 1: that said some vulgar things to him. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if he is as villainous as it seems a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people like to vent the hatred toward him as certainly,
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  Speaker 1: if you come to Saint Louis and you're a Cub,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna get some hatred. But tell me about Pete
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  Speaker 1: Crow Armstrong. What's your view of that guy? Because to me,
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  Speaker 1: he's a pretty exciting play.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's He's a player that has, you know,
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  Speaker 3: had a bigger personality seemingly I've never played with him,
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  Speaker 3: obviously seemingly has a bigger personality and is in a
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  Speaker 3: locker room that you know, I feel like has made
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  Speaker 3: young guys pretty comfortable over the last couple of years
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  Speaker 3: as they've come up. So it gave him some room
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  Speaker 3: to be himself and and allowed him to show off
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  Speaker 3: that personality. And anytime as an opposing player, if you
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  Speaker 3: have that type of personality, and you're louder and you,
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  Speaker 3: you know, play the game in a certain way, fans
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  Speaker 3: are going to get on you. And also when you're
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  Speaker 3: good and playing good on the other team, fans are
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  Speaker 3: going to give you a hard time and they're going
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  Speaker 3: to get on you. So, you know, I think he
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  Speaker 3: seemed like at certain points in his career has looked
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  Speaker 3: like an MVP caliber player and has looked like a
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  Speaker 3: guy that changes the game.
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  Speaker 2: Totally on defense.
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  Speaker 3: Uh and when his offense is clicking and is hitting
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  Speaker 3: for some power, which he's done, he's a game changing player.
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  Speaker 3: I know he's had a few defensive mischews this year,
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  Speaker 3: He's had a few other instances where it hasn't gone
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  Speaker 3: his way. And if you're a louder personality and if
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  Speaker 3: you're a personality that engages fans will in the tough times,
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  Speaker 3: it's gonna be a.
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  Speaker 2: Little bit worse.
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  Speaker 3: And when you're having good days like Saturday, you can
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  Speaker 3: you know, have a little bit of fun with it.
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  Speaker 3: But I saw the situation in Chicago with the White
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  Speaker 3: Sox fans. If nobody's if you have never been to
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  Speaker 3: that part of I mean, I still call it kamiski.
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  Speaker 3: It's not commistic obviously, I don't even know if it's
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  Speaker 3: guaranteed raid anymore. It's probably a totally different name than
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  Speaker 3: when I was there. But if you've never been to
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  Speaker 3: that part of the White Sox's stadium, you have no idea, uh,
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  Speaker 3: the access that fans have to players all the way
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  Speaker 3: through the game. This is not a dugout whip from
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  Speaker 3: the player. This is not you know, this is like
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  Speaker 3: below the player on field level, able to yell and
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  Speaker 3: see everything. And it's kind of a unique even like
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  Speaker 3: below the field type. Some of the some of the
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  Speaker 3: funniest and some of the worst things that I heard
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  Speaker 3: at the same time in Chicago was at that stadium
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  Speaker 3: when I'm warming up, because they're at your back when
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  Speaker 3: you're warming up, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Feet level.
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  Speaker 3: So that's kind of a that's kind of a scenario
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  Speaker 3: like some parks, that creates probably a little bit more
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  Speaker 3: interaction issues, I would say. And let's face it, if
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  Speaker 3: Pete engages fans, which I like to do whenever I
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  Speaker 3: was warming up, you know, if a fan was yelling
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  Speaker 3: at me. It happened in Wrigley many times. Gibson Bush
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  Speaker 3: is going to take you deep in the first inning
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  Speaker 3: and then you give them a look up. You say, well,
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  Speaker 3: I guess we'll find out here in thirty minutes, won't we,
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  Speaker 3: And you give them the interaction they want and they
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  Speaker 3: normally laugh at you. But if you're a personality that
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  Speaker 3: does that, it obviously opens you up to some negative
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  Speaker 3: comments from here and there, and in the heat of
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  Speaker 3: the moment, your emotions can get the best of you.
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  Speaker 1: So give me the best interaction you ever had with
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  Speaker 1: someone who was close by, a fan who maybe didn't
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  Speaker 1: enjoy your team or didn't enjoy Kyle Gibson and was
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  Speaker 1: giving you the business. And you can curse because someone
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: has to step in for Lance.
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  Speaker 3: He's no, I'm not going to step in and take
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  Speaker 3: Lance's three curse words of the.
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  Speaker 2: Day the best. I don't know, see some of those.
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  Speaker 3: Are hard to like figure out and remember exactly how
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  Speaker 3: it went. Most of the time. It was like I
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  Speaker 3: had to go in in Seattle. I can't remember who
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  Speaker 3: the player was. It wasn't Julio, but the fan let
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  Speaker 3: me know that you know, this certain player was gonna
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  Speaker 3: take me deep. And I think I might have struck
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  Speaker 3: him out once or twice. And obviously he doesn't see
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  Speaker 3: me looking at him as I'm walking off the field.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he's three hundred feet away, but he's obviously
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  Speaker 3: not saying anything either. But you know, you end up
• 10:53
  Speaker 3: with a couple of interesting ones where you know, they
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  Speaker 3: tell you that you know you're not going to last
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  Speaker 3: out of the first inning, and they start yelling something
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  Speaker 3: and I normally just laughed at him, normally smile at
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  Speaker 3: him and give me, well, I don't know what tom
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  Speaker 3: me say right now, but I guess we'll see here soon.
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  Speaker 3: But you got to let me at least get to
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  Speaker 3: the field before I can either prove you wrong or
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  Speaker 3: prove you right. That was kind of how I always
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  Speaker 3: looked at it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I had one.
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  Speaker 3: Person in the city field say something about my mom
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  Speaker 3: once during VP.
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  Speaker 2: That wasn't too kind of them.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it was it was over the top anytime
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  Speaker 3: they talk about your mom or your family or your kids.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, it was more of just a moment
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  Speaker 3: where you turn around, You're like, really, that's where you're
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  Speaker 3: going to go here in the middle of batting practice
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  Speaker 3: at five thirty in the afternoon. That's the trash talk you're.
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  Speaker 2: Going to say.
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  Speaker 3: But you know there was some good ones, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Yankee Stadium was always fun. I've heard a couple of
• 11:49
  Speaker 3: people use this where Yankee Stadium. They're over top of you,
• 11:52
  Speaker 3: and you know, I've had a couple of teammates just
• 11:54
  Speaker 3: turn around and thank him for buying a ticket to
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  Speaker 3: our game, and I hope they enjoy watching us play.
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  Speaker 2: That's always a good one.
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  Speaker 3: And then they then then Wally say, well, I got
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  Speaker 3: my ticket for free, and You're like, well, no, there's
• 12:04
  Speaker 3: no way you got a nice bleacher seat ticket for free.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, there's always a lot of different interactions
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  Speaker 2: that have been a lot fun.
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: Well, Skip Schumacher and the Texas Rangers come to town. Skip, obviously,
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: former Cardinal World Series champion, was on Ali Marvel's staff.
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: Now he is the He was the manager of the Marlins,
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: now he's managing the Rangers. De grom goes against McGreevy tonight,
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: and that takes us to our daily dinner segment. Now,
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: the Graham's a pretty good pitcher. Cardinals haven't necessarily faced
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: him very much if you go better versus pitcher, So
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw out mine because I think he's due.
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'm going with my guy JJ Weatherholt. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: He's been a spark at the top of the lineup.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's due for one here. I think the
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  Speaker 3: last time I predicted him, I predicted one early in
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  Speaker 3: the game. Uh, he's never seen the groam. So I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna give him maybe his second bat to to maybe
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  Speaker 3: get to Graham and to take him deep tonight. So
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  Speaker 3: you know, de Grom's a guy, he's still still really
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  Speaker 3: really good. And you know, if you can get to
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  Speaker 1: Of a lead, you ever face the grin because that guy,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's been good this year, he was good
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  Speaker 1: last year. Not even close to how dumb and he
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  Speaker 1: was early on, and he's still very very good.
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  Speaker 3: I did my first ever sacrifice punt was against Jacob
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  Speaker 2: And then I'm pretty sure I struck out the second time.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, first ever sacrifice punt Jacob d Grom down
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  Speaker 3: the third base line. Had I ran hard, I probably
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  Speaker 3: would have beat it out because he took his time
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  Speaker 1: All right, that brings me to our next topic. Kyle,
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: and I know if you noticed, but Jay, Jimmy Crooks
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: promoted from Triple A, and Poso, who was kind of
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: beloved because he came up with so many big hits
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  Speaker 1: off the bench, sent to Memphis. So now the Cardinals
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: have three catchers who could be every day catchers, and
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: they're gonna parcel out the time behind the plate as
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  Speaker 1: best they can. As I understand it, Horrera will keep
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: the guys he was catching, Crooks will add some of that,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: and po Has will keep a couple, but it seems
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: like his role will be reduced as that. I think
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: the Cardinals front office is thinking, we got we gotta
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: juice the offense here, and Crooks was putting up really
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: really solid numbers at Memphis. If you have three catchers,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: you know, all of whom could be an everyday type catcher.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Is that too much?
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  Speaker 1: They kind of playing with fire here the Cardinals.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think it looks it depends on how
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: the rest of your roster construction looks.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like you have two guys and Paes and
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  Speaker 3: Kirks who probably aren't playing another position, which you know,
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  Speaker 3: might help, you know, if they were possibly at first
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  Speaker 3: basement or something like that, that kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of limits you a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Uh. If you have other utility players that can spread
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  Speaker 3: out around the field and play other positions, then you know,
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  Speaker 3: you can kind of hide that a little bit and
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: you don't need the infielder or the outfielder. You know,
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: Sejacion for me can kind of move around.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think it'd be interesting. I think if
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: we know one thing about what him and the front
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  Speaker 3: offic is doing here is they're kind of sticking to
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  Speaker 3: their plan and they're gonna, you know, do what they
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  Speaker 3: think is best.
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  Speaker 2: For the development here going forward.
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  Speaker 3: And if Crooks is here, it's because that's part of
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  Speaker 3: the plan for him to get some Big League of
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: bats and play. I don't think it does him any
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  Speaker 3: good to sitting on the bench and not swing it.
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  Speaker 2: He's swinging a hot.
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  Speaker 3: Bat, So you're gonna get him in there and you're
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: and you're gonna see what he can do here for
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: a few weeks or however long, you know, maybe it's
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: the rest of the season, who knows, But I don't
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: think they accelerated his call up or did anything different
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: outside of the plan than they had going into the season,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: because like the trade deadline acquisitions or trading guys away,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: you don't necessarily shift your whole mindset here. I would
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: shift my mindset, but I don't believe you guys think
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: they're gonna shift their mindset here just because you're playing well.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: So I'm guessing, you know, Crooks was a guy that
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: you know, they were eyeing in spring training to say, hey,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: let's see if he if his abs are you know,
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: really good in triple A, and see if we can
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: get him up here to the big leagues and get him,
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: you know, into the mix so that next year, you know,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: he's got that experience and make them make a big difference.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: So they also have two catchers and the miners who
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: are really really good that are prospects. So I mean
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: right now that they have an abundance of talent behind
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: the plate, which a lot of teams don't have barely any.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: So that's obviously some of you figure maybe the Cardinals
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: will cash in for other areas of need. When you pitched,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: did you ever have a catcher that you favored that
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: would catch you maybe more than he caught other guys
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: or one guy that you just felt more comfortable with.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: No, never had never had a personal catcher. Honestly, I
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: would kind of give uh. I would give Real Muta
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: a little bit of trouble in Philly because it seemed like,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: and I love throwing the Garrett Stubbs. So this is
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: not a knock on Garrett Stubbs. Stubby knows that I
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: love him and he is awesome behind the dish. But
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: I would always give j T trouble because it seemed
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: like if I was throwing the day game, that was
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: the day that JT wouldn't catch. So, you know, Stubby
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: was my personal guy. As how we would talk about it,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: you know there. I think it's interesting how certain catchers
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: and pitchers work together for whatever reason. You know, I
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: enjoyed throwing the McCann and Rutchman in Baltimore. Seemed like
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: there were times where I threw to McCann more for
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: whatever reason, whether that was just you know, being a veteran,
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: and you know he had faced me a lot of
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: times in the American League Central, so they maybe thought
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: that that was a good connection to have and have
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: somebody who's seen how my pitches have been good and bad,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: so that maybe he can make those adjustments on the
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: days where maybe my slider or change ups not as good.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: But I was so fortunate, Jim to have some amazing
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: catchers behind the plate in my career, like you know,
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: even in Texas. You know, Okay Jose Trevino who won
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: a Platinum Glove two years after I was gone from Texas.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: He wanted to New York. Our backup Jonah him. He
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: won a gold Glove like a year or two after
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: I was out of there too. So I was really
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: fortunate that even the starting catchers, in the backup catchers
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: both where I played, they were so good that nobody
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: on the staff was worried about, oh I got this
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: guy because they're given Wilson a day off or whatever
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: it might have been.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Well, I think to this point credit only Marmal because
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: he's done a great job. I think of Battling saying
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: out where guys play and when he's gonna switch it
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: out and get to look at some other guys. And
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: the Cardinals have a big series with the Rangers, and
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: We'll see you for the next edition and hopefully that
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: one won't suck