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Buck Showalter unfiltered: Yankees spending, Philly drama, Injury communication questions · Foul Territory

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, So, how are you
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: surprised by these injuries in the spring? Like we used
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: to have everybody, we'd take about ten or fifteen people
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: and you got you got these five guys. You got
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: these five guys. You got these five guys, and you
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: would call them once a week or every ten days, go, hey,
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: how do you feeling what's going on? You know, our
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: ability to detect stuff is almost too good. You take
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: enough MRIs and enough pictures, you're gonna find something wrong
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  Speaker 1: with everybody.
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's right or wrong, or guys were tougher,
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: but guys used to throw through a lot of things.
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: But I'm shocked with how many people get surprised by
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  Speaker 1: someone being hurt in the spring when when they get there,
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: what were you doing in the off season?
• 0:44
  Speaker 3: You know, you tell me too much.
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: But the Mets traded their backup short stop before they
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: knew Lindor was gonna miss time. I mean, it's important
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  Speaker 1: with the decision, the things you do in all season,
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  Speaker 1: knowing the health of your people. I've talked to Keith
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  Speaker 1: Meister about this. Hey, we take enough pictures, we're gonna
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: find something wrong with everybody, Okay, I'm done, So.
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  Speaker 4: I mean we're gonna stay on that.
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  Speaker 3: Fuck.
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  Speaker 4: You need to be the one that changes this because
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  Speaker 4: this is a billion dollar question.
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  Speaker 3: This.
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  Speaker 4: If teams can figure this out, who cares about draft
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  Speaker 4: picks and qualifying offers and contracts?
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  Speaker 3: You figure this out.
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  Speaker 4: Should players come into spring training throwing one hundred miles
• 1:26
  Speaker 4: an hour in their first bullpen?
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  Speaker 2: No, there's the progression. You know, you're trying to get
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  Speaker 2: to the end game.
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: You know, I used to not watch guys throw, and
• 1:34
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't let a bunch of people stand around down
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  Speaker 1: in the bullpen when they're throwing or batting practice. There's
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: fifty people with evaluation tools or whatever around the cage
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  Speaker 1: watching them throw. Hey, you're not trying to make the team. Well,
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: then why are twenty people watching me throw? Get away
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  Speaker 1: from them. Let let them have the progression to get
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  Speaker 1: to the end game of the start of the season.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, now these people are bringing thirty and
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  Speaker 1: forty pitchers into camp.
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  Speaker 2: How can you evaluate them?
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  Speaker 1: And how can you I used to if you had
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  Speaker 1: over sixty people in camp, you're going to have a
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  Speaker 1: tough time evaluating players properly. You don't need more than
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: six catchers. You don't need more than twenty eight to
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  Speaker 1: thirty pitchers. But now I look at the size of
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  Speaker 1: these spring training rosters, there's no way you can evaluate
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  Speaker 1: these people properly. Or Okay, you guys got me going, I'll.
• 2:24
  Speaker 5: Stop, no buck, I love this because here's my thing.
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  Speaker 5: You asked what they're doing in the offseason. They're doing
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  Speaker 5: too much. These kids. Most of these kids, since they're
• 2:33
  Speaker 5: ten years old, I'll say ten years old to twelve
• 2:35
  Speaker 5: years old, especially, pictures have been pictures only and all
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  Speaker 5: they do is throw and throw and throw and try
• 2:41
  Speaker 5: to get their VL up so they get recruited or
• 2:43
  Speaker 5: so they get drafted, right, and then eventually you got
• 2:46
  Speaker 5: to pay the price for that.
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  Speaker 3: And they never take time off. We just had, I forget.
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  Speaker 5: We had on last week a picture and I said, hey,
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  Speaker 5: you don't take any time off, and they're like, no,
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  Speaker 5: I just keep going. I just keep throwing. I take
• 2:56
  Speaker 5: about a week off and keep throwing and keep throwing
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  Speaker 5: and keep throwing. And then in the off season they
• 3:01
  Speaker 5: all go to drive line and they go to tread
• 3:04
  Speaker 5: and they go to all these places and they say, gosh,
• 3:06
  Speaker 5: I want to improve my stuff. Well, The only way
• 3:08
  Speaker 5: I can improve is if I throw one hundred miles
• 3:10
  Speaker 5: an hour every day in the in December, so they
• 3:14
  Speaker 5: never get their body of time to relax and recover,
• 3:18
  Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden they're like, oh wait,
• 3:20
  Speaker 5: on first day of camp, here's one hundred. I mean
• 3:22
  Speaker 5: you remember dude, Mark Burley would come in his first
• 3:25
  Speaker 5: bullpen would be about forty miles an hour, right, Brad Raky.
• 3:29
  Speaker 5: Literally we get out there and go, oh, I'm just
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  Speaker 5: gonna feel it, right he They've been throwing, but they
• 3:34
  Speaker 5: were just like, you know, it's a different adrenaline, it's
• 3:35
  Speaker 5: different everything. I'm just gonna feel it and get and
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  Speaker 5: then slowly build up. Now it's like first day we
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  Speaker 5: have the iPad. Oh, let's see my vert and my horizontal,
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  Speaker 5: all my this and that.
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: No iPads should be allowed around them throwing for the
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  Speaker 1: first three or four balance.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. I'm a big bio guy.
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  Speaker 1: When I look at pictures, you know, young pictures that
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  Speaker 1: we signed or whatever that are in camp. I love
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  Speaker 1: when a guy has play three sports or two sports
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: and he hasn't pitched or played year round. You know,
• 4:05
  Speaker 1: the arm and the shoulder and the elbow. The time
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  Speaker 1: off is precious. I pill guys get away from it,
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  Speaker 1: don't pick up a baseball until whatever. And pitching coaches,
• 4:13
  Speaker 1: you know, the time off is so precious. But guys
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  Speaker 1: that played baseball only year round, it was a big
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  Speaker 1: red flag because we knew they were gonna.
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  Speaker 2: Have some along the line. Now. I remember one.
• 4:23
  Speaker 1: Guy said, hey, what positions you played when you didn't pitch?
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  Speaker 1: He goes, well, I didn't play another position. I go,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, you didn't hit or play when you
• 4:30
  Speaker 1: didn't pitch in high school? Well no, really, that guy
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  Speaker 1: lasted about two weeks.
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  Speaker 5: He tried to find something on me and he couldn't,
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  Speaker 5: So that's a lie. When he told you you'll find everything,
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  Speaker 5: he couldn't find anything on me, So you know him.
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  Speaker 3: He was great.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody knew what you want. Keith's great. If I had
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: to send some my thumb it go. But you know
• 5:53
  Speaker 1: the drill. They do the check swing drill, and you've
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: seen that one where they start the bad as fast
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: as they can. Then they slam the handle back into
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: the amate bomb area and you know they've got They've
• 6:03
  Speaker 1: taken so many reps. Now you know Eric, you know
• 6:06
  Speaker 1: this it's like you got a machine, you got a
• 6:09
  Speaker 1: short toss, you got teamwork, you got ten guys at
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: throw battye practice, and I don't know, it's just like
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: we're always trying to run everything down to empty. You know,
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: let's make sure your dad ever tried to see how
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: low he could get his that gas tank before he
• 6:23
  Speaker 1: put gas in it.
• 6:25
  Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, I still do that. Trick works. It works.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes your wife's crazy. That's your wife crazy.
• 6:32
  Speaker 4: Now, don't yeah, don't do that. My question is, fuck,
• 6:35
  Speaker 4: is baseball too much? Like well, everyone else is doing it,
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  Speaker 4: so we have to do it? And do you think
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  Speaker 4: you'll see in your lifetime an organization that says no,
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  Speaker 4: that's fine, because I remember I remember back in I
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  Speaker 4: forget maybe fifteen years ago. I'm not sure who it was.
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  Speaker 4: If it was the rangers of somebody that Knowlan Ryan
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  Speaker 4: was working with, and they were saying, Hey, we're gonna
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  Speaker 4: have these guys actually throw longer in games. We're going
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  Speaker 4: to have them do different things. Is that the rest
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  Speaker 4: of the industry is not doing or are we all
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  Speaker 4: just sheep and just doing the exact same thing and
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  Speaker 4: afraid of looking outside of the box to create a healthier,
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  Speaker 4: better product for one organization.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they copy each other. They think someone's getting ahead.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I looked at a staff the other day.
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: I just out of curiosity, I said, see if I
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  Speaker 1: know about this coaches that they had fourteen people on
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  Speaker 1: the coaching staff. That's like an NFL team that plays
• 7:29
  Speaker 1: sixteen or seventeen games. Fourteen Trish, you think Indiana has
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  Speaker 1: fourteen coaches on their football team. Maybe, but I just yeah,
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  Speaker 1: You've got so many people tripping over themselves to matter.
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: We're all chasing titles. Hey, I'm a director of left
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  Speaker 1: handed sliders in the dirt.
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  Speaker 2: You know. Hey, I'm the director. I'm the I don't
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  Speaker 2: know a coordinator.
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  Speaker 1: It's like I was talking to an ex manager the
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  Speaker 1: other day, you know, the field coordinator for the team, Well,
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  Speaker 1: the field coordinator. Someone asked me about helping a spring
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: train and run spring train. I said, hey, if your
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: manager can't run spring training, you might have the wrong manager.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: We've we've got so many people trying to build a
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  Speaker 1: niche that and there's a lot of copycat that goes on,
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  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, they're doing that, let's let's go. It's
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  Speaker 1: like a charm Bracelet let me get my charm You know,
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  Speaker 1: I remember when Itchiro and Montsouey came out and I
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: had been over Japan. I said, hey, these two guys
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: stick out like short thumbs. The drop off from them
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  Speaker 1: to the next offensive player is huge. But everybody tried
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: to go get their charm brace. But hey, I've got
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  Speaker 1: a player from Japan. Well wait a minute, you don't
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  Speaker 1: have Montsoue, you don't have Itchi row You know that
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  Speaker 1: each person's different, and it's like charm brace's, Hey I've
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  Speaker 1: got my this. Hey I've got my this. That team
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  Speaker 1: has this, and we got to get one of these
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: and get one of this. I just wondered at some
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  Speaker 1: point if an owner is going to go, what are
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  Speaker 1: we getting for this? You know, we're just in the
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  Speaker 1: last place again, what are we What advantage are we
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  Speaker 1: gaining by having this? Because you know, you can you
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  Speaker 1: can really confuse players with too many voices, and I
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: think you're careful about that.
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  Speaker 3: I agree Buck.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, since Indiana has the National Football Trophy,
• 9:09
  Speaker 5: they apparently can't afford good Wi Fi. So Tricia, we
• 9:12
  Speaker 5: lost Tricia for a second. You know, Mark Cuban and
• 9:14
  Speaker 5: her Big or Big Tricia and Sydney podcast where they
• 9:18
  Speaker 5: had Mark Cuban. Maybe she could ask Mark for a
• 9:20
  Speaker 5: little loan to get better Wi Fi.
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  Speaker 8: I'll send this to filhim afterwards from AJ how about that.
• 9:26
  Speaker 8: I'll tell me Mark Cuban buy me a better WiFi.
• 9:28
  Speaker 8: I'm sure he will. Well, you know, not to bring
• 9:32
  Speaker 8: up AU football again. I lost you guys for like
• 9:34
  Speaker 8: a whole minute there, but you were talking about how
• 9:37
  Speaker 8: a time off is really necessary and taking a break
• 9:40
  Speaker 8: is necessary. You want to know what IU football head
• 9:43
  Speaker 8: coach is Kurt Signetti. His theory and his philosophy on
• 9:47
  Speaker 8: practice is high efficiency, short duration practices, ninety minutes on
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  Speaker 8: the field, and he doesn't like long grueling sessions because
• 9:55
  Speaker 8: he wants to keep players fresh and healthy.
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  Speaker 3: That's his approach.
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  Speaker 5: That's because they're all thirty years old, Tricia. They got
• 10:02
  Speaker 5: they need to get in there to go see their
• 10:04
  Speaker 5: grand they are.
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  Speaker 8: You don't need to do your research, sir, they are
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  Speaker 8: not thirty years good.
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: It's the same way with spring training. You know, you
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: got thirty year old guys that you have to entertain.
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: We never did a drill more than ten to twelve minutes.
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: Their attention span. And you know I used to tell
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: we're not going to do things till we get them right.
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: We're going to do them till we can't do them wrong.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: And we would get on and off the field and
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: do things. And efficiency is what you're looking for and
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: purpose of what you're doing, and you know every everything
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: you do, it's like rehearsing a Broadway play down in
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: spring training, because when the curtain goes up in the spring,
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: it always kills me. How a rundown happens in game
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: one and nobody knows how to run it, or a
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: relay is messed up. I go, what were you doing
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: in spring training? You know that's what that was for,
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: rehearsing your lines for this Broadway play? And what do
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: we do if it gets off the tracks?
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: How do we handle it?
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  Speaker 8: I would all I would like to clarify something a
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  Speaker 8: j SID the IU football team. Let me tell you
• 11:08
  Speaker 8: the average age. Yes, they are older. The average age
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  Speaker 8: is around twenty three years old. Forty seven guys aged
• 11:15
  Speaker 8: twenty two to twenty five.
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  Speaker 5: I had all forty seven of them started. They were
• 11:21
  Speaker 5: older I think than the Tennessee Titans who were in
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  Speaker 5: the NFL. So or there was within a year, So
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know, Tricia.
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  Speaker 3: He's so good about that.
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  Speaker 8: I take when I show you.
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  Speaker 5: Guys have that national championship though, that you paid for
• 11:34
  Speaker 5: and all that.
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  Speaker 3: Fine.
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: Jealousy is a horrible emotion, so don't don't feel bad
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: They're just jealous.
• 11:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, basketball school book, Florida's a basket, Dia.
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: Hey did you guys? Did you guys ever play on
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: a team that had a captain?
• 11:50
  Speaker 3: That's what I was going to ask you about. We
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: were just going to ask you about that. I did.
• 11:54
  Speaker 5: Paul can Erica. His name happened so we could resign
• 11:56
  Speaker 5: him in two thousand and six. After we won in
• 11:58
  Speaker 5: two thousand and five, Ozzie's like, he's our captain, but
• 12:00
  Speaker 5: he never wore a C, and I used to make
• 12:02
  Speaker 5: fun of him. I'm like, you're the captain, how come
• 12:04
  Speaker 5: you don't wear a sea Because he got the C
• 12:06
  Speaker 5: that I could get the A for asshole, right.
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: You know in hockey they have the C in the A,
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  Speaker 3: so I could have gone.
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  Speaker 2: Instead of assistant captain. It just shortened to.
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  Speaker 5: Ask right, yes, exactly exactly, So that's yes, I did
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  Speaker 5: play on one. But the fact that Stevie Cohen came
• 12:20
  Speaker 5: out and said, Oh, the Mets, don't we I don't
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  Speaker 5: believe in this.
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  Speaker 3: You think Lindor's hurt by that?
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: Probably down deep, I know that he would, you know,
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: wanting to.
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: Take on that that and all that entails is uh,
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: there's a lot to ask of players nowadays. You know
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: the dynamics of a locker room. You know, the people
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: in it realize how it works, and it takes a
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  Speaker 1: special person to take on that responsibility of being that
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: And you know, I've had I had Maddingly there and
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: Jeter after him. Matt Williams was kind of our captain
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  Speaker 1: out in Arizona. But if you've got to put a
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: C on somebody's jersey, I think you might. You know,
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: everybody knows who that guy is. You have any doubt
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: the two people over in Philadelphia who's running that ship?
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: And that's I think one of the best signings of
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: the all season was the catcher in Philadelphia and of
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: course Schwarber there. And you know, when you think about
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: people that you can trust to do things because their
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: voice once you do that and make that commitment. But
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure a lot of owners really understand the
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: dynamics of how locker room works in baseball where you
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: play one hundred almost two hundred games counting screen train.
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: Fuck.
• 13:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they don't take the coin toss. They don't go
• 13:37
  Speaker 5: out there in midfield and take the coin toss. I mean,
• 13:40
  Speaker 5: I get it. It's a symbolic thing, right, I get it.
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  Speaker 5: But like other than just being like, hey, you're the
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  Speaker 5: captain because you've been here a long time, Like, what
• 13:50
  Speaker 5: is the captain really do in baseball?
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: Well, if we play a double header and I get
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: thrown out of the first game, the captain takes a
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: lineup party out the second game.
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, not your bench.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: He's mad too, he went with me. If he's a
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: bench coach, he probably left the building too.
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  Speaker 8: Wait, but you were talking about a voice. Their voice
• 14:12
  Speaker 8: matters in the clubhouse when they're the captain. What can
• 14:16
  Speaker 8: you kind of explain maybe the benefit of having that voice.
• 14:19
  Speaker 6: To people who might not understand, you know, I.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: Think I think it's somebody that players so comfortable bouncing
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: something off of and trusting them, and the coaches in
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: the front office trust that guy to say the right
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: thing and not be a sympathetic year. One of the
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: things you have to do when you go into the
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: new situation and struggle is you got to eliminate the
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: sympathetic years to bs. If you get to the point
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: where people go to this guy, hey, uh, you know
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: there's they're screwing me here. Oh wait a minute, he
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: don't want to hear. All right, let me go over here.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, he don't want to hear what wait?
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: Maybe I just got to play better. I used to
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: erase all those signs that said, you know, some patent
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: line or Churchill line, all these things written on the wall.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: They never made a player better. I just put one
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: thing up there said play better, Play better. You know,
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: nobody wants to hear it. People working nine to five,
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: five days a week and staying up late at night
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: when you're on the West Coast and watching team. They
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: don't want to hear how your chartered plane was late
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: or your five star hotel made too much noise. Just
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: play better, shut up and post up. Okay, I'm done again.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: I had too much coffee.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: I love it buck though.
• 15:22
  Speaker 8: I remember I used to listen to some things like
• 15:24
  Speaker 8: that when players would say things like, yeah, you know,
• 15:26
  Speaker 8: the car ride to spring training really messed up my legs,
• 15:29
  Speaker 8: and it's just like, I get it, but do you
• 15:31
  Speaker 8: think the nine to five worker wants to hear that.
• 15:34
  Speaker 8: I'm not saying some of the complaints aren't legitimate, But
• 15:36
  Speaker 8: sometimes when I hear players be like, oh those hotel
• 15:39
  Speaker 8: beds at this five star hotel really messed up my neck,
• 15:41
  Speaker 8: I'm like, you have a massage therapist at the field,
• 15:45
  Speaker 8: you have a trainer, you have all of these things
• 15:47
  Speaker 8: at your disposal, and that's why you say you're not hitting.
• 15:50
  Speaker 8: It's confusing to me.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, I love this question.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: Communication is communication saying what you want to hear or
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: what you need to hear.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Big difference.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Max Schurzer used to come in and PLoP down and
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: we talk about life and everything. Max like bluntness. I
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: love Max's bluntless with me and me back at it,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: and he loved it. He didn't want anything sugarcoated. And
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: you're looking for those type of players. I just hope
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: we don't have a lockout at the end of this thing.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: I don't like what I'm hearing.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: Two situations a team. He brought up about having possibly
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: two captains in the Phillies' locker room. They've had the
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: Castiano's situation and now they have the most recent information
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: about Bryce Harper saying, you know, we thought it was
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: kind of wild. How is a manager, when you're general
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: manager or president of baseball operations, makes comments like that
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: about one of your superstars on the team. What's your
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: view and what's your next step?
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: For both those situations, Well, you do talk to the
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: player and just say, hey, what do you feeling?
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: What are you thinking?
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: And sometimes both parties are right, you know, whether you
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: air it publicly or it's out there. You know, I
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: would think that Dave had a purpose to everything he does.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: I knew in the whole Castalanas thing that there was
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: going to be support of the manager there in between Matt,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Donnie Maddingly, he's president Mattingly and and Dave. They're not
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: going to put up with stuff like that, and they're
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: going to support their player. And there's two sides to
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: every story, there really is. You know, there's no expression.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: One of the worst things for a managers you never
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: let a star fall on you. There's nothing worse than
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: managing a guy that did great things for you, but
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: he's I'm not saying Castlana's skills are going down. I'm
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: just saying there's some things that you know, playing defense
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: for a superstar late and again or a star player,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: and it's uncomfortable, but you've got to do what's best
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: for the team.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: And uh, that's uncomfortable for a locker room.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: And no one will say it publicly, but you know,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: I think they're glad that the not the problem, but
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: just the issue is not there anymore. Now he's a
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: good player and they're going to have to replace him
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: with some things. But you know, I know Robbie well,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: and uh, he's not looking for a problem. All he's
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: looking for is given the Phillies the best chance to
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: win a game.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Fuck, has a player ever had a beer under your tutelage?
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: After had?
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I just went there were a few games I wish
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: I could have a sip of it.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: I can tell you that that's fair.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Hey, my first game is the manager against the Boston
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Red Sox opening day Cleate Warrior. You ever seen a
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: picky youwn cigarette? It's a really strong cigarette. It's not marijuana,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: but it's And he could tell I was a little
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: nervous in ninth inning trying to close out the game,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: not that I remember. Steve Fark Jody Reid was a hitter,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: and Cleek asked me, if I want to take a
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: drag off his cigarette and then tell you what, I
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: don't even remember the last inning. I don't.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: Well, that's good. There's a lot of games I don't
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: wish I didn't remember. Buck So you're one up on
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: a lot of guys.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: You did you, Hey, let me tell you.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: You go in the locker rooms and there's some empty
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: beer cans in there, and you go, now, years ago
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: when guys would try to get that edge, so to speak, and.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: They took greenies. They took greenies, and beer kicked him back.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: And we've talked about a bucket's fine, you can say it.
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: Everyone does, got a big deal.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: That's when I first knew. I went, wow, there's empty
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: beer cans in here, are half empty.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm. All right.
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: So now you hit the Yankees, and so let me
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: ask you the question. When you were playing for George
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: George Steinbrenner, would he have ever after not winning a
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: World Series, brought back essentially the same team as the
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: Yankees are doing this year. Now I know they get
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: Garrett Cole at some point this year. But would he
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: have ever done that, or would if he have said
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: I need to change something, we need to miss mix
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: this up and get a better team.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Of course he would have, you know he you know,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: you knew the job description as a manager. You know,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: That's why I never complained about it. I knew, you know,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I was there nineteen years. I've seen a lot of
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: people come and go. But it doesn't mean make him right,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't mean Cashman's wrong. I mean the healthier
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: if one. You know, if you ask every manager, what's
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: the one thing you'd like to have when the season started,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: is the healthier players, you know, staying healthy? And you're
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: what ips, that's what all seasons are for. Okay, what
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: if you know Derek Jeter couldn't play, or what if
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Lindor got hurt? You know, that's your job as a
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: GM and a manager is to attack the what ifs.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: And because it's not a normal thing to do your
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: body to play seven days a week for seven or
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: eight months. The last time you were one hundred percent
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: was the day you got out of the car in
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: spring training. And evidently some of them were one hundred
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: percent this room. That's for sure, Peace, I can't believe
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the teams that are surprised by injuries that, you know,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: just all of a sudden appear in spring training. You know,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I need to prepare for that, George,