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Series preview: Cardinals vs. Brewers · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hi, Hello, welcome to Cardinal Territory. You are watching this
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  Speaker 1: on Friday, April twenty fifth, which means we are about
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  Speaker 1: to start a short but sweet three game homestand with
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  Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Brewers. So I thought, why not ask my
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  Speaker 1: friend Don Petronio, who does pre and post game for
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  Speaker 1: the Brewers on WTJ, to come join the show. No
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  Speaker 1: one else I'd rather talk ball with, especially some Brewers
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  Speaker 1: Cardinals Dom How are you?
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  Speaker 2: Hey? What's up Katie? Happy to have you here.
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  Speaker 3: This is fun because finally we get to see each
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  Speaker 3: other for the first time this series, this season, and
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  Speaker 3: then it's like we barely see each other again until
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  Speaker 3: the middle of summer.
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  Speaker 1: Right exactly. I love this for us. I see you
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  Speaker 1: three times a year, but all three times it's great.
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  Speaker 2: So why not this is great?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 3: I think two teams in very different trajectories. Right, You
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  Speaker 3: can correct me if I'm wrong on that. The Brewers
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  Speaker 3: are still trying to get out of neutral right now,
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  Speaker 3: it feels like, but as we record this before their
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  Speaker 3: finale with the Giants, they're really begging for a.
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  Speaker 2: Split against the tough team in San Francis Go.
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  Speaker 3: But there's still a team that people want to continue
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  Speaker 3: to not really pay attention to.
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  Speaker 2: And that say, Okay, it's exactly how they like it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like every year the Brewers come in and
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  Speaker 1: they're just kind of thought as the underdog, despite having
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  Speaker 1: won the division four or three times in the last
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  Speaker 1: four years. And I don't know if that is just
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  Speaker 1: part of being in the now Central, part of not
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  Speaker 1: being a big market team, part of not really spending,
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  Speaker 1: But every year they seem to sort of get it going,
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  Speaker 1: which is why I was a little surprised to check
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  Speaker 1: the standings and see them hovering right around five hundred.
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  Speaker 1: But as you and I were talking about before the
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  Speaker 1: cameras went on, the Brewers have been in the midst
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  Speaker 1: of a grueling stretch to start April.
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  Speaker 3: This is the second West Coast trip they're just finishing.
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  Speaker 3: This is their only three city road trip of the year, though,
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  Speaker 3: which is good news for any team in the Antal
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  Speaker 3: Central given how great the travel is in this division.
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  Speaker 3: But when you think of two trips West on top
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  Speaker 3: of opening the season in New York and then coming
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  Speaker 3: right back home, I mean they've had sneaky a lot
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  Speaker 3: of day games and a lot of travel already to
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  Speaker 3: this point of the year.
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  Speaker 2: They're getting a lot of it done now. The good
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  Speaker 2: news for the Brewers is that after they're.
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  Speaker 3: Done with the Giants now, they don't go west again
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  Speaker 3: until after the All Star breaks, so they get to
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  Speaker 3: kind of get comfortable in the Central and Eastern time zones.
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  Speaker 3: And that may not sound like a thing to some people,
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  Speaker 3: but when you're traveling and you're putting your body on
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  Speaker 3: the line and that big jump, that two and a
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  Speaker 3: half hour jump or whatever, I just I give my
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  Speaker 3: kudos to these guys and what they're going through. At
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  Speaker 3: the same time, it's only April. There's no reason to overreact.
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  Speaker 3: You want to make sure these bodies are fresh by
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  Speaker 3: the end of the year as opposed to the end
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  Speaker 3: of April. That's what the Bruce have kind of been
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  Speaker 3: doing with their line of the last few games, got it, No.
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  Speaker 1: I saw a couple of show and goes from your
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  Speaker 1: manager Pat Murphy, so that and it helps. Right. They
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  Speaker 1: burst out for eleven runs. I believe a Christian Yelich
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  Speaker 1: grand Slam. So good to see the Brewers maybe kind
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  Speaker 1: of sputtering out of this. The Cardinals are in their
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  Speaker 1: own little rut. It's not nearly it's much worse than
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  Speaker 1: where the Brewers are right now. But each time that
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  Speaker 1: these two teams play, I think it brings out for
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  Speaker 1: some really compelling competitive baseball. When you're watching the Milwaukee
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  Speaker 1: Brewers as we are almost one month into the regular season,
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  Speaker 1: which seems crazy, what part of their game sticks out
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  Speaker 1: to you that you think is a legitimate threat for
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  Speaker 1: the Brewers.
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  Speaker 3: The biggest threat is their back to ball. They don't
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  Speaker 3: necessarily hit for power per se. But you look at
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  Speaker 3: some of these wins for the Brewers and you're consistently
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  Speaker 3: seeing five six strikeouts and then four or five walks,
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  Speaker 3: Like their awareness of the strike zone is one of
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  Speaker 3: their biggest strengths, because that's how they've been building this
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  Speaker 3: team of guys that can get on base, that are
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  Speaker 3: supposed to play great defense, and then be able to
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  Speaker 3: steal a bag and be able to create havoc on
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  Speaker 3: the base pats. They know home runs are expensive, and
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  Speaker 3: that's the truth of baseball. Home runs are expensive and
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  Speaker 3: strikeouts are expensive. So the Brewers operate in this market of, hey,
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  Speaker 3: let's get guys that put the bat on ball, like
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  Speaker 3: Bryce Terrang having another great start to a season, like
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  Speaker 3: sal Friedlick, who's hitting over three hundreds still at this
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  Speaker 3: point in the season, to be able to put to
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  Speaker 3: get on base for those guys that are supposed to
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  Speaker 3: be supplying the power right like Yellow who's got five
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  Speaker 3: homers now, Like Contreras, like Hoskins, who's starting to get
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  Speaker 3: going right now. And I know a lot of folks
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  Speaker 3: talk about the departure of Willia Damas, and rightly so.
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  Speaker 3: Thirty home runs, one hundred and twenty plus RBIs how
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  Speaker 3: do you replace that? The Brewers are not going moneyball
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  Speaker 3: and all we're going to replace him in the aggregat
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  Speaker 3: or that sort of thing. The way they're looking at
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  Speaker 3: it is, well, let's just go even deeper into the
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  Speaker 3: way that we were successful in twenty twenty four, and
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  Speaker 3: that is getting on base, stealing bases, and putting runners
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  Speaker 3: in scoring position, because if you continue.
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  Speaker 2: To do that, speed never has a bad day.
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  Speaker 3: Putting the bat on ball in a second and third
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  Speaker 3: and one out situation, that's still a run as opposed
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  Speaker 3: to waiting on another three run homer from Willia Damas.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great point. And I think watching the Brewers
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  Speaker 1: last year, a bunch of us had the same realization,
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  Speaker 1: including from the Cardinals. Themselves. The Brewers were such an
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  Speaker 1: athletic team for the things that you just mentioned. They
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  Speaker 1: played a smart brand of baseball. They were fast, they
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  Speaker 1: took advantage of mistakes, and that kind of game that
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  Speaker 1: they play. The Cardinals have one player who does this
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  Speaker 1: very well, Victor Scott the Second. He changes the game
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  Speaker 1: with his speed and his like you said, speed never
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  Speaker 1: takes a day off, and his ability to know when
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  Speaker 1: to use it. The Brewers, I think, have that ability
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  Speaker 1: in a majority of their lineup, and that can really
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  Speaker 1: help creating the offensive production like you mentioned.
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  Speaker 3: And then for Victor's case too, I think of him
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  Speaker 3: as a guy that also plays solid defense. I think
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  Speaker 3: of Mason Wynn now that he's back from his back issues.
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  Speaker 3: You have capable players of doing this. The difference is
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  Speaker 3: the Brewers literally have drafted for this for years, and
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  Speaker 3: they've drafted athletes, and they have drafted speed, and they
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  Speaker 3: have drafted to add pieces. And they're getting Blake Perkins
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  Speaker 3: back on the way. That's another guy that has speed,
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  Speaker 3: that can play great defense, that puts bad on ball
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  Speaker 3: and he's been out throughout all spring training. But I
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  Speaker 3: think the point of it is in the difference, and
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  Speaker 3: forgive me for already using the cliche. But the Cardinal
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  Speaker 3: way has kind of shifted over here to Milwaukee, right.
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  Speaker 3: I think of those classic teams of the Cardinals days.
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  Speaker 3: I know Cardinals fans know what I'm talking about. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: in the eighties and we can talk about eighty two,
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  Speaker 3: we can talk about all those teams. But then even
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  Speaker 3: in the two thousands, there were so many teams that
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  Speaker 3: I think of X nine, Right, I think of the
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  Speaker 3: great defensive roll in. I think of just doing the
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  Speaker 3: little things right, and that leads to man, here they
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  Speaker 3: are again, and that's what the Brewers have been able
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  Speaker 3: to do so far.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Then, I think Cardinals fans maybe that's why we resonate
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  Speaker 1: so well with how the or so much with how
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  Speaker 1: the Brewers played, because they're like, hey, I remember that
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  Speaker 1: brand of baseball. I remember that when that was a
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  Speaker 1: thing in Saint Louis. So a surprising thing for the
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  Speaker 1: Cardinals this year is that their rotation has actually been
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  Speaker 1: pretty decent. It's everything else that has struggled. But we'll
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  Speaker 1: get there. I'm looking at the probables for the Cardinals
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  Speaker 1: and Brewers just got sent to me, and I have
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  Speaker 1: to say it. The first two names of the Brewers
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  Speaker 1: are not exactly names that I would go out there
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  Speaker 1: and say, yeah, I recognize. On Friday, we're gonna see
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  Speaker 1: Matthew Libertore. He's done a really nice job. I think
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  Speaker 1: he's thrown three to three or four quality starts so
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  Speaker 1: far this year. First right hander Chad Patrick, so you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna kill me in on that one. And then Saturday
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  Speaker 1: we'll get Sunny Gray he's three and oh off to
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  Speaker 1: a really good start this year as well against Quinn Priester.
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  Speaker 1: And then the series finale on Sunday you'll see Eric Fetti,
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  Speaker 1: old friend Jose Cantana three to zero with an O
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  Speaker 1: nine to six ERA shoven. What do you think about
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  Speaker 1: the Brewers rotation right now?
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  Speaker 3: Bruce rotation is getting better, and as we record this
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  Speaker 3: on Thursday, Tobias Meyers just returned to the rotation. He
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  Speaker 3: was last year's diamond in the rough that nobody saw coming,
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  Speaker 3: had a three ERA twenty seven games a season ago,
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  Speaker 3: one hundred and forty innings.
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  Speaker 2: Great in the playoffs. The rotation is getting healthy.
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  Speaker 3: I think the overreaction from the first week of the
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  Speaker 3: season when the Brewers get whacked out of New York
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  Speaker 3: and lose the home opener to the Royals in grand fashion. Right,
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  Speaker 3: you look at all these blowouts. I mean, Nester's hurt
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  Speaker 3: and we don't know how much he's going to pitch
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  Speaker 3: the rest of the year. He's got at flexer strain,
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  Speaker 3: the same thing injury that plagued him at the end
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  Speaker 3: of last regular season. He's about to be a free agent.
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  Speaker 3: You can put the cards together on that one. Then
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  Speaker 3: you look at not having Tobias Myers at the start
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  Speaker 3: of the season. He just returned, he had an oblique strain.
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  Speaker 3: You don't have Aaron Ashby, you don't have d. L. Hull,
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  Speaker 3: you don't have Aaron Savali, all the seven. You look
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  Speaker 3: at the top eight of the Brewers starting rotation coming
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  Speaker 3: out of spring training, and quite frankly, five of them
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  Speaker 3: are hurt. And it's not something most teams can absorb.
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  Speaker 3: But kudos to the Brewers to be able to go
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  Speaker 3: get Jose Kintana during spring training. I tweeted it a
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  Speaker 3: second ago, like the other night when he was shoving
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  Speaker 3: once again twenty that other teams didn't want Jose Kintana
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  Speaker 3: and it took huntil the first week of spring training
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  Speaker 3: for somebody to sign him and now here he is
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  Speaker 3: three starts in with the sub one eer.
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  Speaker 2: It's like should we send them thank you cards?
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  Speaker 1: Like?
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  Speaker 3: How did nobody want this guy? He is the exact
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  Speaker 3: professional that you expect. Cardinals fans know it as well.
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  Speaker 3: But furthermore, Chad Patrick believing in the player development pipeline
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  Speaker 3: the Brewers have with their pitching development. He's the latest
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  Speaker 3: case of it. Chad has been traded twice. He was
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  Speaker 3: originally drafted by the Diamondback small town out of Indiana,
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  Speaker 3: and then got traded for Jace Peterson to the Oakland
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  Speaker 3: A's at the time, and then traded for Abraham Toro
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  Speaker 3: from the Brewers to the A's to come back over
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  Speaker 3: to Milwaukee. And that's looking like the steal of the
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  Speaker 3: century to get a guy who's currently in Triple A
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  Speaker 3: with the Red Sox for a guy who's probably gonna
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  Speaker 3: be in irrotation for the next few years to come
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  Speaker 3: cutter sinker for Seemer a rare change up to he's
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  Speaker 3: here's my fastball, you try to hit it. It's an
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  Speaker 3: uncomfortable ow for three where he's like, oh I saw that.
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  Speaker 3: Then you look up and you're O for three. And
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  Speaker 3: he didn't hit a ball hard. That's what Chad Patrick
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  Speaker 3: does so well. And for Quinn Priester, Brewers had to
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  Speaker 3: make a trade because of all those injuries I talked about.
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  Speaker 3: They had to go make a trade with the Red
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  Speaker 3: Sox who acquired him from the Pirates last year. Former
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  Speaker 3: first rounder and you can say post type sleeper, that
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  Speaker 3: sort of thing. Another example of the Brewers trusting their
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  Speaker 3: pitching development, saying, hey, here's an optionable starting pitcher. Let's
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  Speaker 3: bring him in, bring him into what we do, let's
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  Speaker 3: develop certain things, make him right, and you blink and
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  Speaker 3: here he is with the sub to eis well, he
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  Speaker 3: had the command issues as of late. But the Brewers
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  Speaker 3: have something working in their pitching and they're gonna keep
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  Speaker 3: leaning on it.
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  Speaker 1: And this is so important, I think from Cardinals fans
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  Speaker 1: to hear, because four years Saint Louis has not had
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  Speaker 1: adequate starting pitching depth. They have quite literally run out
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  Speaker 1: where they've had seven starters, and that includes what was
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  Speaker 1: available in Triple A. Last season, there was a time
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  Speaker 1: where they were running out with four major league starters
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  Speaker 1: and just hoping that they could do a bullpen game
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  Speaker 1: or a spot start for almost an entire month because
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  Speaker 1: they don't have the pitching depth in their minor league system.
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  Speaker 1: That's a whole other, separate tangent. Cardinals fans know it's
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  Speaker 1: part of their whole organization overhaul. But good teams like
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  Speaker 1: the Brewers, like the Mets, like the Dodgers. I know,
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  Speaker 1: it's completely different pay scales, but in terms of player
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  Speaker 1: like play on the field and organizational depth, that's what
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  Speaker 1: they have. And the Brewers are able to stay consistent
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  Speaker 1: and stay relevant because they have such deep starting pitching.
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  Speaker 1: The Cardinals, if they lose one to two starters, they
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  Speaker 1: have virtually nobody that they can call up, which is
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  Speaker 1: why that they are using this kind of six man rotation.
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  Speaker 1: Steven Mattz pitched in long relief on Tuesday against the Braves,
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  Speaker 1: so he will not be in this rotation through the
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  Speaker 1: Brewers at least, but he will pitch again in Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 1: It's because the Cardinals are trying to prolong their starting
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  Speaker 1: pitching health, so they're really maximizing the six days rest.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why Cardinals are doing it. You're seeing a
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  Speaker 1: true hand example on what teams that actually had the
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  Speaker 1: depth in their minor league system can get away with. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think Saint Louis would be very happy to have
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  Speaker 1: a Quinn Priester or a Chad Patrick waiting in the wings.
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  Speaker 3: And furthermore, the Brewers had to send down Logan Henderson,
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  Speaker 3: who struck out nine in his big league debut on Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: They still have Jacob Mazarowski on the way. They still
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  Speaker 3: have pitchers like Casey Hunts, like Carlos Rodriguez who are
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  Speaker 3: even further on this step chart that they're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that guy's probably gonna be a big leaguer here pretty soon.
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  Speaker 3: Rodriguez made his big league debut last year, and they've
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  Speaker 3: got Robert Gasser who's recovering from Tommy John surgery. This
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  Speaker 3: is what the Brewers do. They focus on home grown pitching.
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  Speaker 3: It's how you had that three headed monster in twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty one of Corbyn Burns winning the cy Young, Brandon
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  Speaker 3: Woodrow finishing fifth, and Freddie Perralta won to finish in
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  Speaker 3: the top ten. If he was a qualified arm he
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  Speaker 3: had missed some starts at the end. That's all home grown.
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  Speaker 3: A hundred percent of that was homegrown. This isn't by accident.
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  Speaker 3: This is what David Stearn's led the foundation for now.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously he's with the Mets. Mount Arnold has picked up
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  Speaker 3: exactly where he left off and continues to invest on
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  Speaker 3: the player development side. I think people understand, Yes, the
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  Speaker 3: Brewers don't spend money on free agents, they don't spend
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  Speaker 3: money in trades, they don't do that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 3: But I will give Brewers all the credit in the
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  Speaker 3: world for how much they've invested behind the scenes and
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  Speaker 3: how much money that costs. They've got a brand new
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  Speaker 3: facility down in Central Domingo. They invest in their minor leagues,
• 12:27
  Speaker 3: they invest in their minor league's facilities, They invest in
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  Speaker 3: what they're able to do with their pitching development, with
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  Speaker 3: their analysts.
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  Speaker 2: And that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 3: That stuff costs money too, and the Brewers have said,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, let's make sure that we can continue
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  Speaker 3: to churn this factory. More important than going to spend
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  Speaker 3: thirty million dollars on one guy who may or may
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  Speaker 3: not perform. That's how the Brewers are operating, and because
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  Speaker 3: they understand the investment it takes for pitching.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that blueprint is exactly what the Saint
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  Speaker 1: Louis Cardinals want to get to. It's going to take
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  Speaker 1: some time. This is not something that they fix overnight.
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  Speaker 1: You can certainly speak to that. It's a long, lengthy process.
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  Speaker 1: And should they have started this years ago, probably they
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  Speaker 1: did not. They're starting it now. It's one of heim
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  Speaker 1: Bloom's big projects. He's just alongside with David Stearns in
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  Speaker 1: terms of being one of those top leading names and
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  Speaker 1: modernization of the game and player developments. So Cardinals fans,
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  Speaker 1: if you're looking for a blueprint on what this could
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  Speaker 1: look like in four to five years, the Brewers right now,
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  Speaker 1: pretty good example. We'll get right into the division. I
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  Speaker 1: All right, So we're looking at the standings again. We're
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: recording this on Thursday, April twenty fourth, ahead of the
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: Brewers series finale against the Giants in San Francisco. But
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: looking at the standings right now, Brewers right around five hundred,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: one game over, could be five hundred, could be Cardinals
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: holding it down with the Pirates in last ten and fifteen.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: Similar records there, very same records there, similar to the
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: Reds who are twelve and thirteen. And then we have
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: the Chicago Cubs six games over five hundred. I'm a
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: little surprised and thought the Cubs were good. I thought
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: the gap between Chicago and the Brewers would be a
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: little closer right now. But Chicago looks like a legitimate team. John,
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: what are you thinking about the division?
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: The Cubs are legit. I think the Cubs are a
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: great ball club. I want to make that very clear,
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: even though I still picked the Brewers to win the division.
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's some hometown bias that sort of thing, But
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: here's why the Cubs are legit now. Justin Seal going
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: down is going to be a massive impact to them.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: Do they go get somebody on the trade market? Are
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: they the ones that make to splash the pot and
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: go in and get Sandy al Contra or something like that.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: But the Cubs can hit in Holy Cow. This is
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: a different ofference than we've seen from them in years past.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: Last year just felt never felt like they got going.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: Dancy Swanson had a tough year. Cody Bellinger obviously is
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: no longer. He had some injuries here as well. Say
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: Suzuki never really got going for them either. He was
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: the only guy that really had positive offense, and Ian
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: happ has been just a steady force. But now you
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: throw in Kyle Tucker. I've been a big fan of
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: what Miguel Amaia and Carson Kelly have been doing like
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: holy cow out of their catching corps. And then on
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: top of all of that, too, you've got Nico Horner
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: healthy again. You've got Pete crow Armstrong playing like a
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: future All Star that he's going to be. They're a
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: dangerous club, but their number one achilles heel is their bullpen.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: And you can hit, and you can hit, and you
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: can hit, but if you're playing ten to nine games
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: all season long, that bullpen is going to be out
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: of gas by June. So that's something I'm monitoring with
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: the Cubs as something that Bruce can side and say, well,
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: does good pitching beat good hitting? This is the age
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: old forever question we'll always going to see in this
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: game because Bruce, they struggle offensively, That's no doubt. That's
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: the biggest calling card about the Brewers flaws. But these
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: two teams will meet next weekend for the first time
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: here in Milwaukee, and I think both teams are going
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: to find out a lot about themselves because now the
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Cubs are done with that West Coast all done with
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: the Diamondbacks, are done with the Padres, are done with
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: the Dodgers, but now they're going to finally start facing
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: their own division and seeing the Brewers for both of
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: these teams are like, okay, how good are we really?
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Definitely, and this is this upcoming series between the Cardinals
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: and the Brewers is both teams just their second time
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: matching up against division opponents. So the Cardinals don't really
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: know what the enel central is either. I will say
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: it's interesting you want to talk about an achilles heel
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: being the bullpen. Well, Saint Louis certainly knows that we
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: broke down all of the bullpen issues, decisions controversy on
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Thursday with the episode with Bernie michlss. So check it
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: out Cardinals territory fans. But this bullpen will make or
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: break you. The Cardinals have had this problem pretty much
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: all year long, and bullpens are so volatile and relief
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: pitchers are so finicky, and not just between the season,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: but honestly between weeks. Sometimes they have it, sometimes they don't.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: But for a Cardinals bullpen that was so locked down
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: in the majors last year, for them to come up,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: and outside of Brian Helsley, Phil Mayton, who they signed
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: with three weeks left in spring training, and Kyle Lahy,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: those are three guys you trust out of eight possible spots. So, Cubs,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: if that is the issue that you are having, then
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I'd be side with you, Dominic. I just feel like
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: it's far too early to tell. And I agree, well,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: when we look at the Cubs and the Brewers and
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: that matchup, will have a little bit better idea of
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: how the team stack up against each other. But I
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: still think this division is pretty wide open.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: I think it is wide open.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: I do think it is mainly between those two, the
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: Brewers and the Cubs. The Reds, I always want to
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: believe in them, but they always.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Discope with me same every year.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: You should be so much better than this, And I
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: think the Reds are going to learn this year. I
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: texted this to a friend of mine who's a big
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Reds fan, said, the Reds are going to learn this
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: year with the Cubs learned last year.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Just changing managers, just and change the roster.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: And they're going to get under Tito's tutelage. He's going
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: to be great for that role, just like I believe
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Krek counsel is going to be just fine in Chicago.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, I don't think anybody expected
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: the Cubs to be flirting with five hundred in year
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: one of corek council. But then you look at the
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: roster and it's like, okay, yeah, that does make sense. Actually,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: So for this division, God, can we get Paul Skiing
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: some help down in Pittsburgh.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: God, Saint Louis, can you do this rebuild? Right?
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Like, there's just so many headlines that aren't Is this
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: team good? Which is kind of what brings everybody down
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: about the NL Central, right, Like how often we have
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: to defend the NL Central. No, No, the Cubs and
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Brewers are good teams. Just just trust us, and then
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: they don't get out of the first round, so it's
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: likely they're good, but we can't defend it forever.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: And all Central, you're not helping your cause here with
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: all these early playoff exits and they usually get one
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: team in there anyway. So I'm excited to see how
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: this is, how this place, this division looks in June
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: or so. I don't expect the Cardinals to I actually
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: have no idea what I expect the Cardinals anymore. It's
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: riding this roller coaster for this transition season. We finished
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: against you know, had a homestand against the Phillies and
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: the Astros, and I I was leaving, I was talking
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: to a couple of friends and I was like, you know,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: maybe this team is a little bit better than people
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: are giving them credit for. And then they go one
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: and six on the road and it just everything goes
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: off the rails and I'm like, I don't know, I
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: don't know anything.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: So well, you fit hot team in the Mets best
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: record in baseball, okay. And then the Braves, you knew
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: they were gonna stay zero to seven all year long,
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: and they're finally getting going and they're finally feeling like themselves.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: And he had the spice of the Jared Kelnick stuff
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: and they're starting to come together. It's odd howse stuff
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: like that can kind of bring a team closer and
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: get them going better. When I look at the Cardinals
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: and correct me if I'm wrong here, it's just like
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: these kids. I mean, having Mason back is going to
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: be huge, but it's like the kids can prove these
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: third fourth year guys like, Okay, this is gonna be
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: my team here pretty soon. I better start performing, And
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: they're finding out how hard that is to do when
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: you're suddenly the guy on the scouting report that's like, okay,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: circle that guy, figure out how to get him out
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: and it just hasn't got going for them yet.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's that's pretty much what it is. This is
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: the whole point of their transition season, right is to
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: run these guys out every single day, regardless of like
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: individual results, and hope they figure it out because when
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: John Mozaylock steps down and Heim Bloom takes over, he's
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: going to want to know which pieces to build around.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: So in prior years, if someone like a Jordan Walker
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: or a Nolan Gorman struggled, they would be optioned or
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: they would have their playing time cut, which is what
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: you do when you're trying to win ball games. The
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Cardinals are trying to see how they can win ball
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: games in the future, not necessarily right now. So they're
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: going to run guys that they're like Jordan Walker, who
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: is slumping heavily over the last two weeks. They're going
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: to keep running out Nolan Gorman. In fact, Olie Marma
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: went out over the Atlanta Braves series and said, we
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: are going to give Gorman a little bit of a
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: run here because we need to see what he has.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: If he's in proved his contact rate. They're going to
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: continue running out guys relievers like Jojo Romero and Ryan Fernandez,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: because it's about finding ways to adapt in the big leagues.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Does it make for some maddening, frustrating baseball games, Absolutely,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: But this was the whole premise of the Cardinals coming
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: into the twenty twenty five season. See what we have
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: so we know what we can build with in the future.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Far too early to tell on April twenty fourth what
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: future pieces look like, but I will say it's not
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: been the best month. April has not been the best
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: month to start the season.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: You are dealing with a bunch of guys who were
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: performing like Jackson Curio in the first half of last season,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: and the Brewers said, hey, there's nothing for him to
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: learn in Triple A. He's either going to sing or
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: swim here in the big leagues. And he obviously eventually
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: started the swim. And that's what Cardinals fans, I think
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: are hoping right now, to say the least.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, the fact is not every single
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: player is going to rise and prosper here. That's just
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: the unfortunate reality. And if they do, then all of
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: a sudden, this rebuild or transition or whatever we're calling
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: it is looking a lot less short. But I think
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: it's so hard in Saint Louis because this is the
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: first time that they've done anything like this, and Cardinals
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: fans have been conditioned to expect a certain quality of
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: baseball for decades, and that quality of baseball right now
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: was not up to their standard. And you go you
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: tie that into a front office and an ownership that
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: did not spend They spent two million dollars of the
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: entire offseason on the Mayton deal. They tried to trade
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: many of their players. They did not bring back key
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: players like Paul Golshm and Andrew Kittridge. And you're seeing that.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be shocked to see what this series
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: looks like. A week and serious against the Brewers in April,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: with the weather supposed to be relatively okay, it's been
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: a pretty empty ballpark, and I think that fan apathy
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: is really setting in, especially after this last road trip.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: And the Blues in the playoffs. Too, right, So that's
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: not gonna help things either. So it's just things that
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: we're monitoring.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Go Stars.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: By the way, I'm a big Stars guys. They won
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: an overtime again last night, so.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: You gotta get the podcast an LGB. I say this
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: like I know anything about hockey. Boy, let's go all right,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: welcome back to the division real quick. First message from
• 23:29
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• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, watch these bingers and rbs.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I'm just glad I am my local duel for Roo
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• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Duels Sports now card the Birds.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I'm that banger has been stuck in my head for
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: like two days, so I.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Have it here too. Obviously.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm employed by FanDuel Sports Network in part, so
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: I can't say anything.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: It's it's I wish, I don't know. I think baseball
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: has just completely warped my mind, as you know all
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: too well, at this point of the season. Just what
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: We're already at this point in April, Katie, I'm worried
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: for your well being.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Then we should be worried about my well being for
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of things. All right, big three game series,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: as big as you can get in April, we're looking
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: for our Fandel Sports Network player to watch. Who are
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: you watching from this Brewer squad coming up?
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: It's got to be Bryce Terrang. He has been awesome
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: so far this season. Even though the Cardinals are starting
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: a lefty on Friday and Librator, he's probably gonna be
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: in the top of the lineup. And I think of
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: when Bryce Terrang first came up in the big leagues,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: he was not allowed to see a lefty at all.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Then last year started to get a little bit more
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: against lefties. Now this year he's taken another leap forward.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: We call it the quantum leap. Last year he can
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: he needs to improve. He calls it man's strength. He's
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: twenty five years old now, he's a man now, right.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: But he has been awesome this season, a true traditional
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: leadoff man.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Fifty stolen bases a year ago.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Believe he's at seven right now, well on his way
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: to try to do it again.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: So you're telling me that an organization can have a
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: second basement and not put tune him. And then all
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, and.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: It took some teeth pulling.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: It took a lot of teeth pulling, but they eventually
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: relented and look at what they've got now.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, see, Cardinals fans, there's there is hope. I think
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: the player I'm want to watch from this series from
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: the Brewers is Kintana. I mean, just a full disclosure.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I really liked him when when he was a Cardinal
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: for two months, and I think they really wanted to
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: bring him back. Well I think some did, not the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: front office. And it baffles me how Kintana continuously post
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: year after year. Is not just a like quality starter,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: but he's not a one or two obviously, but he's
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: one of those guys that you put into the upper
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: part of your rotation and he's a difference maker.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: And every year, yeah.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: No one picks him up. I don't get it.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: It's the nerdification of our sport, right, and I'm a nerd.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: I'll put my hand up on that too.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: But it's like, oh, we want a guy that throws
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: ninety five, and we want to call up our kid
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: that doesn't know where it's going, that throws ninety eight.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Well it's like, but here's a guy that can give
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: you one hundred and forty innings no problem, drop of
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: a hat has been doing it.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: For thirteen years.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Why don't you want this guy? He's like, we want
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: our own guy, controllable. I'm so glad the Brewers are
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: the ones that finally did this, and it took a
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: lot of convincing from Pat Murphy. From Mann't Pat Murphy
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: was the one champion, hote. I've seen this guy shove
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: against us for years and years and years. Bring him
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: on our side and see what happened that. It's a
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: great pick, Katie.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Hey, Pat Murphy a big asu.
• 26:48
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• 27:20
  Speaker 1: My friend, I wish we were in Milwaukee so I
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: could see you, but that will happen in June Milwaukee
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: my favorite my I think my second favorite.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Road city one New York, San Francisco.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, so Milwaukee is my third favorite city.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a feeling, yeah.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Like a road city because I get to go home.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: But Chicago and San Diego are up there too. Milwaukee though,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: sneaky fun. You know, I love that public market.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: It's so we're literally right over here.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go stop buying grabs some lunch here in
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: a little bit there. Milwaukee sneaky, great city. I know
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Saint Louis fans hate to hear it. And I'll actually
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: be in Saint Louis at the end of the year
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: in September for that final home road weekend that the
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Bruis have.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: So I think September is the right time to see
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Saint Luis.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, I don't really know if there's a good
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: time to visit weather wise.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's a coin flip, but you know, we
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: got a roof on it, so we don't got to
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: worry about that here.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it must be nice. I've seen the tarp way
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: way more than I've really wanted to. Dom my friend,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for doing this. Where can we
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: find your work. Where can we follow you?
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Thanks Katie.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: So I'm on ex Twitter, the everything app whatever we're
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: calling it at dom Underscore Katronio, same spelling as the
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: name right here. I'm on Instagram sparingly dom Brewers base
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: It's dom ce Baseball on Instagram. It's mostly Bruce centered content,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: but on pre and post game almost every Bruise game
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: this year. Here on six to twenty w TAMJ here
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: locally Milwaukee, all the podcasts, all that stuff. There are
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: not many dominant patronios in the world, and quite frankly,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: google me and it usually works out perfect.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Love that for you. Thank you so much again for
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: doing this. We will talk soon. Cardial Territory. We're going
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: to be back with you after the Brewer series. Thanks
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: as always for watching.