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Hutton & Withrow: Titans Locker Room Gun Scare, Bill Belichick's ESPN Snub & SEC Playoff Chaos | Hour 1 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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Speaker 1: We are out of the gates on sport and state.
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Speaker 1: He's Withrow. I'm Hutton. Good morning to you. Hope you
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Speaker 1: Withrow always does. Chad, good morning, man. Good morning.
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Speaker 2: bunch of big stories that fuel us today for sure.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Jordan Elliott, he's with the Titans or no
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Speaker 1: longer with the Titans. He was in practice apparently against J.C.
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Speaker 1: Latham and had a dispute with Latham. They ended up
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Speaker 1: back in the locker room. Another dispute breaks out. And
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Speaker 1: he ends up going to his car in the team
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Speaker 1: garage and retrieving a firearm. and it was another teammate,
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Speaker 1: John Franklin Myers, who prevented him from going any further
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Speaker 1: than that once he retrieved the firearm. This is according
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Speaker 1: to A to Z Sports, and reports state that he
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Speaker 1: was in the garage to get the gun from his car,
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Speaker 1: and luckily John Franklin Myers stepped in to calm the
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Speaker 1: situation down. Metro Nashville Police, they stated no official reports
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Speaker 1: or charges were filed by Tuesday afternoon. This is something
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Speaker 1: that took place last Thursday. And the Titans released this statement,
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Speaker 1: and that's all they're going to do is release statements now.
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Speaker 1: We touched on that yesterday. Here's the statement from the Titans.
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Speaker 1: We don't have that? Okay, well, A to Z Sports
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Speaker 1: then has the full report. Everyone's trying to figure out
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Speaker 1: what's going on with Jordan Elliott, why he was released
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, and quite frankly, why it took five days.
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Speaker 1: to make this happen, Chad. But there's the timeline for
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Speaker 1: Jordan Elliott released from the Titans. And good reporting by
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Speaker 1: A to Z Sports. Nice job by Aaron Wilson, who
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Speaker 1: added to this report by naming the other players who
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Speaker 1: either were involved or stepped in to help. And Chad,
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Speaker 1: this is a situation that could have been a lot worse.
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Speaker 1: Could have been a lot worse. Everything apparently captured on camera.
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Speaker 1: But I mean, it is like Fort Knox over there
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Speaker 1: to get into the facility. and they would have had
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Speaker 1: plenty of cameras on the team parking garage. Luckily, this
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Speaker 1: was stopped before it escalated any further. And just, man,
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Speaker 1: you wonder what goes through a man's head whenever he's
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Speaker 1: that pissed off that he's going to a car to
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Speaker 1: retrieve a firearm. A scary situation.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this was, of course, going into their game
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Speaker 2: last week was when this happened. Here's a statement hunting
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Speaker 2: from the Titans. Again, this is issued through Jim Wyatt.
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Speaker 1: Team reporter.
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Speaker 2: This is what we're going to hear from the Titans
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Speaker 2: on this. And then I'm sure when asked questions about it,
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Speaker 2: they're just going to refer back to the statement. It says, quote,
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Speaker 2: on Thursday, October 15th, there was an incident at our
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Speaker 2: team facility involving Jordan Elliott. Following our review of the incident,
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Speaker 2: we have made the decision to release Elliott from our roster.
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Speaker 2: We will have no further.
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Speaker 1: Comment on the matter. So I don't know that J.C.
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Speaker 2: Latham, part of it, has been reported by people yet,
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Speaker 2: but I've heard, like you, that That it was J.C.
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Speaker 2: Latham he was battling in practice.
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Speaker 1: Aaron Wilson. Yeah, Aaron Wilson. Okay, Aaron Wilson did say J.C.
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Speaker 1: Latham's name. Okay, good.
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Speaker 2: Regardless, this is an awful look, obviously. Thank God he
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Speaker 2: didn't actually retrieve the firearm and that John Franklin Myers
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Speaker 2: was able to talk him off the ledge and nothing
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Speaker 2: escalated to the point of someone being critically injured or
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Speaker 2: hurt or killed.
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Speaker 1: In some way. So that part of it, you know,
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Speaker 1: it ended well there.
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Speaker 2: The Titans made the right decision to cut him um
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Speaker 2: I don't know why it took as as long as
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Speaker 2: it did other than they're just getting ready for a game.
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Speaker 1: Yeah I think that would be it I mean you
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Speaker 1: know it's a Thursday you're about to travel yeah if
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Speaker 1: this happened on a Monday I think it you make
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Speaker 1: the you make the move pretty fast I think it
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Speaker 1: was the timing of the week quite frankly Chad you
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Speaker 1: know initially I'm thinking like are they really going to
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Speaker 1: hold it till this week with all the news that
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Speaker 1: was going on last week you know, that was my
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Speaker 1: initial thought. And then thinking it through, uh, they're on
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Speaker 1: the road. Uh, there's a lot going on. And I
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Speaker 1: think that they, uh, they went full, they went full investigation, uh,
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Speaker 1: when they got back to town. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And then when you get all the, you know, look,
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Speaker 2: you're going to look at the security footage and you're
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Speaker 2: going to have multiple witnesses there that hear and see
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Speaker 2: what happens.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Um, it's wild.
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Speaker 2: And I go back to a new question that I've
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Speaker 2: got with this Titans organization and this Titans team.
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Speaker 1: Um, We haven't talked a lot about Mike Borgonzi.
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Speaker 2: Now, I know that Jordan Elliott was a guy that
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Speaker 2: played for Robert Sala in San Francisco. So I think
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Speaker 2: immediately people say, well, this is a Robert Sala move
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Speaker 2: to bring him in as a free agent. Well, then
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Speaker 2: let's talk about Elante Taylor, a guy that you were
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Speaker 2: paying a ton of money to in free agency to
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Speaker 2: be a lockdown corner. There are a lot of people
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Speaker 2: across the league who've never felt like this $ 58 million
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Speaker 2: cornerback for the Titans was a lockdown corner. They thought
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Speaker 2: he was a slot guy, a slot coverage guy, and
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Speaker 2: that was it. But the Titans paid him and bet
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Speaker 2: on him as a lockdown corner, and he's a healthy
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Speaker 2: scratch after a terrible game against the Houston Texans and
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Speaker 2: a bad start to the season.
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Speaker 1: Now, I watched the game against the Colts.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that the secondary was that much better
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Speaker 2: without Elante Taylor, but to make that decision this early.
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Speaker 2: You know, we can't talk about Cam Ward and his
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Speaker 2: poor play and him being replaced. But to go ahead
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Speaker 2: and say, hey, we're paying Elante Taylor $ 58 million. This
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Speaker 2: was one of Mike Borgonzi's biggest free agent signings, if
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Speaker 2: not the biggest this past offseason. Let's go ahead and
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Speaker 2: make him a healthy scratch. I got a lot of
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Speaker 2: questions about Mike Borgonzi and his.
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Speaker 1: Role in this too.
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Speaker 2: And we've talked about it, an all-encompassing thing with the
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Speaker 2: Titans organization. Top down has not been good enough. Throw
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Speaker 2: Mike Borgonzi into that mix because whether it was a
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Speaker 2: Robert Sala, hey, I want Jordan Elliott. to be here
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Speaker 2: or whoever was in on that decision-making. I'm not going
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Speaker 2: to go back to this game that we played for
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Speaker 2: years of, is it Brinker or Carthon? Or is it
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Speaker 2: Vrabel or Robinson? Or is this, if you're the general manager,
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Speaker 2: it is your call. The roster is your call. I
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Speaker 2: don't care what coach told you to go sign someone.
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Speaker 2: It is on your ledger. It is either a plus
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Speaker 2: or a minus. And right now, this free agent class
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Speaker 2: has been.
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Speaker 1: A huge minus for the Titans.
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Speaker 2: And not only that, did you bring in a player
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Speaker 2: that looks to be a bust already, that was a
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Speaker 2: big investment at corner in Elante Taylor, because you're the
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Speaker 2: ones who made him a healthy scratch. You've also brought
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Speaker 2: in a guy who's crushed the culture of your locker
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Speaker 2: room with an incident like this.
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Speaker 1: This is not good. There are people now firing off
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Speaker 1: reposts of this story across the league, asking the question,
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Speaker 1: what the hell is going on in Nashville? Chad, with
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Speaker 1: the Latte Taylor, I don't know specifically if it's performance-based
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Speaker 1: or if this is discipline. I just don't know. Salah
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Speaker 1: won't say. He did say it was his decision. He said,
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Speaker 1: it's just my decision, guys. I'm not going to go
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Speaker 1: into it. But as far as football decisions, based on
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Speaker 1: what is publicly stated, and even Burt Nihill said this
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Speaker 1: last week with Corey Curtis, it is Borgonzi, and he's
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Speaker 1: running the show. It's him. He has control over the
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Speaker 1: coaching staff. So, yeah, it would be Borgatti's decision. He
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Speaker 1: brought in several Kansas City Chiefs players, too, over the
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Speaker 1: last couple of years. Well, last year and a half. But, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, time is running out on everyone. I mean,
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Speaker 1: they can say that everyone's safe and everyone's going to
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Speaker 1: go into the next year. They're building a culture. They're
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Speaker 1: building stability. But what stability is growing here? They get
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Speaker 1: a win, yes, where the secondary has, what, two interceptions.
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Speaker 1: But I don't view this as a huge step forward
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Speaker 1: when everything has to go right just to get things
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Speaker 1: done and get a win. Give them credit for winning
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Speaker 1: in Indy. They blew up the Colts, but the Colts
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Speaker 1: are making the right call with ownership, pulling the plug,
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Speaker 1: and going a different direction. with the general manager and
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Speaker 1: eventually the coaching staff. Chad, they've got to prove it.
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Speaker 1: They've got to... They have to... Eventually, they have to
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Speaker 1: develop the players. And we just haven't seen that. It's
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Speaker 1: on all of them.
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Speaker 2: There are no external factors creating this mess.
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Speaker 1: For the Titans. I will say, though, the offensive line, better. J.C. Latham, better.
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Speaker 1: So that... I'm trying to figure out what I can
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Speaker 1: point to as far as development is concerned. But better,
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Speaker 1: it means what with this team? Well, they're not dominating
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Speaker 1: on the ground. No. They're not.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Hutton, you threw this out yesterday from Todd Furman.
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Speaker 2: Just an incredible stat.
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Speaker 1: It's nuts.
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Speaker 2: About Jordan Love had more passing yards on a single
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Speaker 2: drive than Bo Nix and Cam Ward had in their
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Speaker 2: entire week six games.
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Speaker 1: That's crazy.
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Speaker 2: Both of those quarterbacks won the game, by the way,
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Speaker 2: in week six also. It's not like they're dominating people
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Speaker 2: on the ground. It's not like they're throwing for a
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Speaker 2: ton of yards. I don't even know what the offensive
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Speaker 2: line production or improvement really means.
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Speaker 1: I'm not arguing with it. They haven't improved.
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Speaker 2: They're not a complete train wreck, but I don't think
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Speaker 2: they're a good offensive line either in.
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Speaker 1: Terms of NFL standards. I totally agree.
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Speaker 2: It's just one thing after the next with this team that's, again,
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Speaker 2: just either terrible or just not good enough for the
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Speaker 2: NFL and It's one thing to have a talent problem
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Speaker 2: if you're the general manager. And they shouldn't have this
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Speaker 2: big of a talent issue now with what Mike Borgonzi's
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Speaker 2: done and how long he's been here. They should be
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Speaker 2: better than they are. He's done a bad job too.
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Speaker 2: But it's another thing to have a talent problem mixed
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Speaker 2: with a culture problem. When you've got issues like this
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Speaker 2: happening in the locker room, Now, you know, credit them
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Speaker 2: for cutting the guy, which I think any NFL team
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Speaker 2: probably would have done if it wasn't some all-pro.
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Speaker 1: I mean, do they cut Jeffrey Simmons immediately, you know,
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Speaker 1: if this is going on? Oh, I think so. I
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Speaker 1: think probably. They're probably suspending him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, suspending him, or I don't know if they outright
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Speaker 2: cut him.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the suspension is coming as well. Like, there's
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Speaker 1: the NFL PA part of this, too. But, Chad, do
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Speaker 1: you bring a firearm at the facility?
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's not going to fly anywhere in the NFL.
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Speaker 1: You're right.
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Speaker 2: Well, it reminds me of the scene in White Men
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Speaker 2: Can't Jump where the guy in the pickup game says,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to go back to my car, get my gun,
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Speaker 2: and shoot everybody's ass. And they all just take off
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Speaker 2: sprinting away from there. I mean, was that the Titans
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Speaker 2: locker room? I don't know what the threat actually was,
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Speaker 2: but it was enough that John Franklin Myers had to
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Speaker 2: walk to the vehicle with him and try to calm
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Speaker 2: the dude down and not go in and try to
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Speaker 2: shoot somebody. Right. It's a wild, wild situation with the Titans.
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Speaker 2: I mean, top to bottom. But Mike Borgonzi, it's time
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Speaker 2: for him to be, he needs to be on the
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Speaker 2: operating table also. If you're going to do emergency surgery
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Speaker 2: on this organization, the way Carly Ursae Gordon was able
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Speaker 2: to do that with one Titans win over the Colts
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Speaker 2: and say, all right, I'm firing the GM. I'm going
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Speaker 2: to go talk to Peyton Manning. Shane Steichen is next.
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Speaker 2: You've got to start to look under the hood at
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Speaker 2: Mike Borgonzi and the job that he's doing.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: And he's not above reprieve here. We've talked a lot
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Speaker 2: about Cam Ward. He's been bad. We've talked a lot
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Speaker 2: about Robert Sala and his staff. They've been bad. Yes.
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Speaker 1: You know what else has been bad?
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Speaker 2: When everybody looks up and says, boy, the Titans just
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Speaker 2: aren't talented enough.
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Speaker 1: Well, whose fault is that? It's the general manager's fault. Man,
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Speaker 1: now everybody on the roster, there's only a couple who
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Speaker 1: date back very far to other regimes. If you start
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Speaker 1: to look around this roster, it is Borgonzi and Salah,
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Speaker 1: or Borgonzi and Callahan. So the free agents are certainly
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Speaker 1: on them. We know that. The recent draft picks from
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Speaker 1: 2025 are playing a lot of snaps on the offense.
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Speaker 1: They inherited a terrible, terrible roster. But what they're doing
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Speaker 1: to rebuild, they can be judged on that now. We
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Speaker 1: don't have to wait. It's in the middle. We're in October.
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Speaker 1: We're not in the middle of OTAs. I don't see
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Speaker 1: why we can't say we're not seeing enough right now,
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Speaker 1: especially offensively. Offensively, where are we going with this? It
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Speaker 1: was abysmal in that first half. The Titans only won
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Speaker 1: because of a blocked punt touchdown. In that game, right?
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Speaker 2: That ended up being the difference in the game. So
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Speaker 2: huge special teams play did it. That's tough to rely
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Speaker 2: on week in and week out in the NFL to
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Speaker 2: win a game. Here would be my question to even
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Speaker 2: the most diehard Titans fan, biggest Cam.
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Speaker 1: Ward defender going.
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Speaker 2: Do you feel like that win now propels the Titans
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Speaker 2: to anything better? Was that the launch point of, okay,
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Speaker 2: now this team is starting to figure it out. They're
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Speaker 2: going to win multiple games now moving forward in the NFL.
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Speaker 1: Do you truly feel that way?
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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't watch that performance and think, okay,
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Speaker 2: they figured it out. Cam Ward's going to get it
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Speaker 2: going now, and they're going to start to be competitive
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Speaker 2: across the league in every single game. I still think
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Speaker 2: there are blowouts left on the schedule where they're going
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Speaker 2: to just show up flat like they did against the
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Speaker 2: Texans at home and get killed and not be competitive.
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Speaker 2: I think there's going to be some close losses left.
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Speaker 2: I think there might be another close win or two
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Speaker 2: where they get a block punt for a touchdown or
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Speaker 2: DK runs a kickback. for a touchdown or a punt
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Speaker 2: or something like that happens, that's likely to happen too.
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Speaker 2: But what do I think about this organization right now,
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Speaker 2: top down?
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Speaker 1: I think it's miserable.
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Speaker 2: And until the owner, Amy Adam Strunk, decides, hey, you know,
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Speaker 2: my president and CEO hire hasn't been good enough. Also,
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Speaker 2: that GM hire hasn't been good enough. And maybe we
14:21
Speaker 2: need to look at the coaching staff too. And we've
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Speaker 2: got to reevaluate Cam Ward and his progress or lack thereof.
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Speaker 2: Until people start to look in the mirror and say,
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Speaker 2: we're not good enough, you're not good enough, this department's
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Speaker 2: not good enough, the fans are.
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Speaker 1: Not rational, none of that.
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Speaker 2: Until they look in the mirror and say, I'm not
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Speaker 2: good enough, and we need a change, and that starts
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Speaker 2: with Amy Adams Strunk, because she's the only one with
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Speaker 2: the power to do it, to fire whoever she wants,
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Speaker 2: then we're going to be stuck right here talking about
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Speaker 2: a great win over the Indianapolis Colts who are terrible
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Speaker 2: because of a blocked punt.
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Speaker 1: Chad, the mirror, though, it's hanging up right now in
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Speaker 1: the new stadium. You do not want to go into
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Speaker 1: the new stadium and start off slow. Just ask Callahan
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Speaker 1: last year, going into year two, especially with the start
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Speaker 1: that we've seen, and who knows what's to come. They
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Speaker 1: haven't had back-to-back wins since the John Robinson era, since
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Speaker 1: he was fired. Right before that is when they won
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Speaker 1: back-to-back games. It was the Green Bay game when the
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Speaker 1: OC boozed up on the planes. On the flight back.
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Speaker 1: That's the last time they won back-to-back games. That was
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Speaker 1: their second win in that streak. It's been a while.
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Speaker 1: I'd be fine with the whole.
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Speaker 2: Staff boozing up after a second straight win at this point.
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Speaker 1: It's been so long, by the way. Not just the OC.
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Speaker 1: And now they have that opportunity. But they're playing the Browns.
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Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, the Browns are 4-2. They
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Speaker 1: just come off a win against Baltimore. And they have
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Speaker 1: one of the best run defenses in the NFL. They're
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Speaker 1: going to shut down the run, and can Cam Ward
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Speaker 1: do anything? Do I have faith in that? No. Why
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Speaker 1: would I have faith in a team that has to
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Speaker 1: have 19 points from special teams or defense in order
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Speaker 1: to win right now? 19 of the 26. That's just... No,
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Speaker 1: I don't have any faith in the offense moving the
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Speaker 1: football against this defense.
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Speaker 2: The Browns are a one-and-a-half point favorite. So in terms
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Speaker 2: of point spread, this will be one of the greatest
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Speaker 2: opportunities for the Titans. the remainder of the season, to
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Speaker 2: win a game. And to get a second straight game
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Speaker 2: would be big for an organization that hasn't done it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not going to sit here and talk
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Speaker 2: about how bad they are and then not also acknowledge, well,
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Speaker 2: if you can win two straight, at least you've climbed
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Speaker 2: that mountain, which sounds crazy. But you've tackled Everest at
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Speaker 2: that point, given how long it's been since you've won
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Speaker 2: consecutive games. So, I mean, we're about to see if
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Speaker 2: the response is this is going to be better moving forward.
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Speaker 2: But I can't help but watch Cam Moore jump around
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Speaker 2: the sideline celebrating with everyone and think, oh, man, there's
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Speaker 2: just still so much missing with this team.
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Speaker 1: Well, he deserves to be able to celebrate with the team,
16:51
Speaker 1: but there's other accountability that needs to be had. Like,
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Speaker 1: if you're– Elante Taylor has six games, right? Six games
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Speaker 1: before you're binging him. And, again, I don't know the
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Speaker 1: details behind it, specifically the details. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: something was said. I don't know. But, Chad– You bring
17:10
Speaker 1: in a guy with that contract to play at corner,
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Speaker 1: you have to play him a little bit longer than this,
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Speaker 1: especially after the crap show we just saw with the
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Speaker 1: previous cornerback and the contract that they handed out for him.
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Speaker 1: Amy Strunk pays a lot of money to guys that
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Speaker 1: don't even tend to play or work for the organization
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Speaker 1: much longer. That's not gold.
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Speaker 2: I also just think it's a lack of understanding of
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Speaker 2: what that move means.
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Speaker 1: If you're Amy Adams-Strunk and you allow it.
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Speaker 2: Because I'm going to go into the assumption that everything
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Speaker 2: has to get approved by Burke Nihill and Amy Adams-Strunk.
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Speaker 2: So to make Elante Taylor a healthy scratch, if I'm
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18:14
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Speaker 1: But Chad, first, I have not seen this yet. I'm
20:38
Speaker 1: Excited to actually watch this because I want to hear
20:40
Speaker 1: the story from Don Davenport, a good friend, who you
20:43
Speaker 1: were listening or watching, I don't know which one, to
20:46
Speaker 1: 3HL and heard this story told live.
20:50
Speaker 2: I'm amazed this story has not been picked up and
20:53
Speaker 2: covered by more people because of all of the kerfluffle
20:57
Speaker 2: over Holly Rowe and Steve Sarkeesian and that whole deal.
21:00
Speaker 1: Great point.
21:00
Speaker 2: And then what that sparked with. Holly Roe, she's too self-important.
21:05
Speaker 2: She's out there acting like she's been offended all the
21:08
Speaker 2: time if someone's not there to answer her questions in
21:10
Speaker 2: full immediately. And a coach comes up to celebrate with
21:13
Speaker 2: a player or another player. Oh, during the interview, they're
21:16
Speaker 2: going to do this. Just all this stuff and how
21:19
Speaker 2: bad it makes Holly Roe look. I'm surprised this hasn't
21:22
Speaker 2: gotten more coverage, especially when it's Bill Belichick. Now, some
21:26
Speaker 2: would say, okay, it's Bill Belichick when you hear this story.
21:29
Speaker 2: Of course not. Bill Belichick did this. He does this
21:32
Speaker 2: to everybody. This is his demeanor with the media. I
21:36
Speaker 2: think that this takes it to a new level. I
21:38
Speaker 2: was in my truck going to pick up or take
21:41
Speaker 2: one of my kids somewhere.
21:42
Speaker 1: I don't remember.
21:43
Speaker 2: And I had it on our old friends at 3HL
21:45
Speaker 2: on 104.5 The Zone. And I hear Don Davenport say,
21:50
Speaker 2: you want me to go into the story? To launch
21:52
Speaker 2: into it about her coverage on the sideline for ESPN
21:57
Speaker 2: of the North Carolina Duke game. I'll let our friend
21:59
Speaker 2: Don Davenport take it from here.
22:01
Speaker 4: I texted him afterwards, and I was like, dude, Jonathan Brewer.
22:05
Speaker 1: How was Belichick?
22:06
Speaker 4: Oh, would you like me to tell that story? I'd
22:09
Speaker 4: be happy to tell that story.
22:11
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd sometimes bring things up, even though I
22:13
Speaker 1: know the answer.
22:14
Speaker 3: Yeah.
22:14
Speaker 1: I don't. I need to know.
22:15
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, you don't know.
22:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have an urn. Okay.
22:18
Speaker 4: So now listen, let me preface this with I have
22:22
Speaker 4: no relationship with Bill Belichick. This is the first time
22:25
Speaker 4: I've ever covered him as a professional ever, like ever
22:30
Speaker 4: met the man.
22:31
Speaker 2: Right.
22:31
Speaker 4: So we have zero rapport and zero relationship.
22:34
Speaker 2: Fine.
22:35
Speaker 4: Talk to him before the game. He's fine. I'll just
22:39
Speaker 4: say he's fine before the game. But I like wanted
22:42
Speaker 4: to meet him in person, see if there were any
22:44
Speaker 4: changes on his starting lineup, all of that. So we talked.
22:48
Speaker 4: I have the first quarter, after the first quarter, interview
22:51
Speaker 4: with him. I'm like, this ought to be fun. He
22:53
Speaker 4: was great. Phenomenal. Answered my question. Wasn't short. Was great.
22:59
Speaker 1: Did he say on to Cincinnati?
23:00
Speaker 4: No, he did not. So then Carolina wins. They win
23:04
Speaker 4: the victory bell for the first time in three years.
23:06
Speaker 4: This is massive. First time for Bill. Tight game.
23:09
Speaker 1: Down to the wire.
23:10
Speaker 4: Awesome game, right? So they're three and two now, by
23:13
Speaker 4: the way, the, the studio that are at ESPN, they're like,
23:17
Speaker 4: you guys are heavy, but if you can get bill,
23:21
Speaker 4: then great. Like we'll do, we'll stay with you. We'll
23:23
Speaker 4: do a post game interview and we'll skip studio stuff.
23:26
Speaker 4: So I asked Carolina staff and they're like, absolutely.
23:29
Speaker 3: Yes.
23:30
Speaker 4: So we're okay.
23:31
Speaker 2: Great.
23:31
Speaker 4: We're getting coach. So I follow him. I stalk him
23:34
Speaker 4: out to the middle. And I know how he is.
23:36
Speaker 4: So I let him, I give him his space to
23:38
Speaker 4: do his handshake and all of that. And so then
23:41
Speaker 4: he's done handshaking Manny Diaz, the quarterback over there or whatever.
23:46
Speaker 4: So he's just standing there. So I step up next
23:48
Speaker 4: to him. My camera is there. And they're about to
23:51
Speaker 4: toss to me because he's standing right next to me.
23:54
Speaker 4: And he's like just looking around and kind of walks away.
23:57
Speaker 4: And I was like, coach, coach. And his handler, yes,
24:02
Speaker 4: has one. His handler goes, Don, he's not going to
24:06
Speaker 4: do it. I know this body language. He's not doing it.
24:10
Speaker 4: And I go, what do you mean he's not doing it?
24:11
Speaker 4: He's standing right here. He goes, Don, he's not doing it.
24:15
Speaker 4: So I, of course, step right up to coach. I'm like, hey, coach, like, like.
24:22
Speaker 4: Right in his face. Like he can hear me because
24:24
Speaker 4: sometimes that's his shtick is he's like, oh, I can't
24:26
Speaker 4: hear you. When he can hear everything. But so I
24:29
Speaker 4: step right next to him. I'm like, hey, coach, are
24:32
Speaker 4: you not going to do this interview or are you
24:34
Speaker 4: good with it? Like, just tell me.
24:36
Speaker 2: Right.
24:38
Speaker 4: Looks over my head, does not respond to me.
24:40
Speaker 1: No response.
24:42
Speaker 4: Like I did not even exist in his personal space
24:45
Speaker 4: at that moment. Not a word, not even a no, nothing.
24:50
Speaker 4: It was like nobody was talking to him and nobody
24:53
Speaker 4: was standing two inches from him. It was just like, Whatever.
24:57
Speaker 4: And then he's just like walking around. So then the
24:59
Speaker 4: boys are starting to toss to me and I'm like,
25:01
Speaker 4: don't do it. We're about to have a Holly Roe
25:03
Speaker 4: moment again.
25:05
Speaker 1: I'm like, don't do it because he ain't.
25:07
Speaker 4: Doing this interview. So, yeah. And then he just like
25:10
Speaker 4: walks off. Never even acknowledged my existence at the end
25:14
Speaker 4: of the game. And I looked at it as at
25:17
Speaker 4: his S.I.D. and he was like, sorry. I'm like, dude,
25:20
Speaker 4: that's that's bonk.
25:22
Speaker 1: That is bonk. This is after a win.
25:24
Speaker 4: This is after a win.
25:25
Speaker 3: After a win.
25:26
Speaker 4: So then I thought about it because I was like,
25:28
Speaker 4: I'm writing Bill a letter. This is bonk. Just tell me.
25:33
Speaker 1: And I get it.
25:33
Speaker 4: I have no relationship with you. That's fine. But just
25:36
Speaker 4: tell me. Just say no. And I'll go get somebody
25:39
Speaker 4: else in time for the broadcast. But then at that point,
25:42
Speaker 4: then I couldn't get anybody else. It was too late.
25:45
Speaker 4: So I'm like, just tell me no, dude. And so
25:48
Speaker 4: then I started thinking about it. And I was like, well...
25:52
Speaker 4: It was like a joyous moment. I mean, the bell
25:54
Speaker 4: is going back. That rivalry, I know it's football.
25:56
Speaker 1: That's the biggest moment he's had since he's been there.
26:00
Speaker 4: By far, and it's not even close.
26:01
Speaker 1: That's why he should have done the interview.
26:03
Speaker 4: That's why he should have done it. But then I'm like,
26:05
Speaker 4: he doesn't want to show that joy. He's got a
26:08
Speaker 4: reputation to uphold. So it's much better for me to
26:12
Speaker 4: come back and be like, what a rude jerk. you know,
26:15
Speaker 4: and his reputation is intact, right? So I just think
26:20
Speaker 4: he didn't want to show joy to, like, the masses
26:23
Speaker 4: that they actually won a very important game. So he
26:27
Speaker 4: was like, I'm just going to ignore.
26:28
Speaker 3: That little blonde over there in my face.
26:30
Speaker 1: That's what I was expecting.
26:31
Speaker 4: Is that not crazy, though? So, of course, you know,
26:33
Speaker 4: I get pissy because I'm like, I just want just respect.
26:37
Speaker 2: That's it.
26:38
Speaker 4: Like, it's fine. You don't have to like me, and
26:40
Speaker 4: you can tell me no, and I'll still be annoyed,
26:43
Speaker 4: but I get it, right?
26:44
Speaker 2: Yeah.
26:45
Speaker 4: But like to act like I don't even exist. I'm like,
26:47
Speaker 4: come on, Bill.
26:50
Speaker 1: Come on, Bill. Does he do that just for entertainment purposes?
26:54
Speaker 1: But that's crazy to not acknowledge someone after acknowledging her
26:59
Speaker 1: throughout the game. Chad, I'm glad you played that because that's, man,
27:04
Speaker 1: that is weak. That is weak.
27:07
Speaker 2: Totally weak move by Bill Belichick. Someone very wise once said,
27:11
Speaker 2: and everybody should follow this advice. It's free to be nice.
27:15
Speaker 2: It costs you nothing to be nice to someone or
27:18
Speaker 2: at least acknowledge that they're a person.
27:20
Speaker 1: For Bill Belichick to.
27:21
Speaker 2: Look over her head and to not even acknowledge she's
27:24
Speaker 2: two inches from him asking him a question politely if
27:27
Speaker 2: he's going to do his interview post-game or not and
27:30
Speaker 2: to have his own personal handler that's his muscle basically saying,
27:33
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. Bill's not going to do it. Bill's
27:37
Speaker 2: not going to do the interview today. Just completely crazy
27:41
Speaker 2: behavior to me. And it's not something... I don't think
27:44
Speaker 2: it's something that should be just laughed off. And look,
27:46
Speaker 2: she had a good sense of humor about it and
27:48
Speaker 2: everything else. But I believe when people treat other people
27:51
Speaker 2: that way, right up close in person to them, there
27:55
Speaker 2: should be consequences for behavior like that. That is not
27:58
Speaker 2: how you treat someone. It would have been very easy
28:01
Speaker 2: just to say, hey, I'm going to go celebrate with
28:03
Speaker 2: my guys. I'm not going to do an interview today,
28:05
Speaker 2: but thank you for asking. There's a lot of ways
28:07
Speaker 2: you can say no and be polite about it. But
28:11
Speaker 2: to act like a human being standing in front of
28:13
Speaker 2: you does not exist and is not there.
28:17
Speaker 1: I'm surprised.
28:17
Speaker 2: With Steve Sarkeesian and Holly Rowe, at least he acknowledged
28:20
Speaker 2: her as a person post-game during the interview.
28:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was fun.
28:24
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick didn't even acknowledge that a human was standing
28:26
Speaker 2: in front of him with Don.
28:27
Speaker 1: And it's after a win, which is odd, just odd.
28:31
Speaker 1: And Belichick is known for this, like New England, the
28:34
Speaker 1: one-word answers, on to Cincinnati, all these different things. But
28:40
Speaker 1: he did the depressor, you know? He acknowledged the question
28:44
Speaker 1: that was being asked to him, even though he was
28:47
Speaker 1: more of a grunt than a speaking English. But... Does
28:52
Speaker 1: he do this just for his own entertainment? It's like
28:55
Speaker 1: a fetish.
28:58
Speaker 2: Again, Don's not going to Manny Diaz after Duke lost.
29:03
Speaker 2: No head coach is getting interviewed the moment after a
29:05
Speaker 2: loss on the field. You've got the Super Bowl losing
29:08
Speaker 2: coach tunnel interview that happens every year.
29:11
Speaker 1: You've got press conferences.
29:12
Speaker 2: You've got to take everything in and go speak to
29:15
Speaker 2: the media where you can prepare yourself a little bit
29:17
Speaker 2: more post-game. It's not like she's sticking the mic in
29:20
Speaker 2: his face and, Coach, you lost another huge game.
29:23
Speaker 1: Tell us about it.
29:24
Speaker 2: She's trying to get him on camera to talk about
29:28
Speaker 2: how well his guys played or how big the win
29:30
Speaker 2: was or whatever it was. Look, I know Bill Belichick's
29:33
Speaker 2: not going to sit there and do the gritty as
29:35
Speaker 2: he celebrates the win with Don or any of these
29:38
Speaker 2: AI videos that we've seen with I still can't stop watching,
29:41
Speaker 2: of all the coaches. Now the new one is all
29:44
Speaker 2: the coaches doing the Napoleon Dynamite dance, starting with Dabo.
29:48
Speaker 1: It's amazing. I'll send it to you.
29:49
Speaker 2: But it's not like we expect him to go over
29:52
Speaker 2: the top celebrating.
29:53
Speaker 1: No.
29:54
Speaker 2: But you can sit there and answer a couple of
29:55
Speaker 2: questions and get right back to it.
29:57
Speaker 1: And he did it earlier. Or you could just say no.
30:00
Speaker 2: No, I'm not going to do the interview with ESPN
30:02
Speaker 2: or with you. At least then, if I'm Don, I'm thinking, well,
30:06
Speaker 2: at least he acknowledged that I was here.
30:09
Speaker 1: And he spoke to her earlier in the game. That's
30:11
Speaker 1: the other part of this.
30:13
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of– I heard another account of–
30:17
Speaker 2: I think it was– is it Katie George maybe? During
30:20
Speaker 2: the game when we were in Oxford, they played Clemson.
30:24
Speaker 2: And there was, I think it was Katie George. Lutz
30:27
Speaker 2: knows all the ESPN people better than I do. If
30:29
Speaker 2: it's Katie George, tell me Lutz at some point. Anyway,
30:32
Speaker 2: he's on the sideline. And he does this thing now
30:34
Speaker 2: where he acts like he can't hear you.
30:36
Speaker 1: It is Katie.
30:37
Speaker 2: If you're talking to him. And I think Don kind
30:39
Speaker 2: of mentioned that. So it's like, oh, he's pretending not
30:42
Speaker 2: to hear me even though I'm right here. But he
30:44
Speaker 2: definitely hears me. He's looking over the top of me.
30:46
Speaker 2: He's doing an interview with Katie George and he's just like, huh?
30:50
Speaker 4: Huh?
30:51
Speaker 2: After everything, it's not even loud. After everything she asked,
30:55
Speaker 2: and then just very dismissive of it, completely odd television
30:59
Speaker 2: from Bill Belichick. But this is not new, and I
31:01
Speaker 2: heard Katie George, I think it was Katie George again,
31:04
Speaker 2: in an interview talking about it, and I remember her
31:06
Speaker 2: explaining that he was very nice in the week leading up,
31:10
Speaker 2: was very gracious at the facility or talking to the
31:13
Speaker 2: broadcast team off camera, and then it was like a
31:16
Speaker 2: totally different Bill Belichick in the moment on camera.
31:20
Speaker 1: And maybe Don's right.
31:21
Speaker 2: Maybe he's got a reputation to uphold, and he's just
31:23
Speaker 2: trying to uphold that reputation.
31:25
Speaker 1: The character, yeah. Maybe it's that. Chad, but at least
31:28
Speaker 1: your two stories, which are classics, all-time classics, at least
31:33
Speaker 1: in your case, both people spoke to you.
31:36
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to go first to my experience with
31:40
Speaker 2: Urban Meyer. As a young producer of a show in Nashville,
31:45
Speaker 2: we're at the College Football Coaches Convention at The wonderful
31:48
Speaker 2: Opryland Hotel, beautiful place. I'm walking through the Magnolia area.
31:52
Speaker 2: I'm going through the fountains where they're doing our show.
31:55
Speaker 2: Matt Brown is fresh off the national championship with Vince Young.
31:59
Speaker 2: So this is probably late January 2006 after the 2005 season.
32:05
Speaker 2: This is the start of Urban Meyer building a juggernaut.
32:09
Speaker 2: It was the next year that he was going to
32:10
Speaker 2: win the national title with Chris Leak and then a
32:13
Speaker 2: backup quarterback by the name of Tim Tebow. We're all
32:16
Speaker 2: in this ballroom. We are interviewing Mack Brown. We're interviewing
32:19
Speaker 2: Phillip Fulmer, who was at the height of his time
32:22
Speaker 2: there in Knoxville. All these great coaches are walking around
32:25
Speaker 2: the ballroom doing interviews with us because we're the only
32:28
Speaker 2: show that's there that had access to it or anything.
32:31
Speaker 1: So in between sessions.
32:33
Speaker 2: Many of them are Mack Brown, as you would imagine,
32:35
Speaker 2: as polite as can be, like this old Southern senator.
32:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'll sit down with you. Where are you guys?
32:41
Speaker 2: Okay, comes right over when he said he was. Phillip
32:43
Speaker 2: Fulmer joins us. sweethearts of men. All of these guys,
32:47
Speaker 2: these coaches, they're in a good mood. The season's over.
32:50
Speaker 2: They don't have to worry about kicking off for nine
32:52
Speaker 2: months at this point, right? We're in off-season mode a
32:55
Speaker 2: little bit, worried about recruiting. Everybody's in a good mood.
32:58
Speaker 2: Until I get to Fox Sports' Urban Meyer, currently now
33:02
Speaker 2: of Fox Sports. Urban Meyer is standing with two women.
33:08
Speaker 2: I don't know who one of them is. The other one,
33:10
Speaker 2: I assume, is the SID at Florida. He's in the
33:12
Speaker 2: ballroom talking to these two women And then another coach
33:15
Speaker 2: is talking to him.
33:16
Speaker 1: The two women are not speaking.
33:19
Speaker 2: They're just standing there, not saying a word, not looking
33:22
Speaker 2: Urban Meyer in the eye the whole time. I am awaiting,
33:26
Speaker 2: as you would, and keep in mind, I'm 23, almost
33:27
Speaker 2: 24 years old.
33:28
Speaker 1: I'm terrified.
33:32
Speaker 2: To talk to some of these guys when you're starting
33:33
Speaker 2: out in the business.
33:34
Speaker 1: You don't want to bother them. You don't want to
33:36
Speaker 1: bug them.
33:37
Speaker 2: But it's my job to go and do things that
33:40
Speaker 2: are uncomfortable to me by approaching very successful coaches that
33:43
Speaker 2: are much older than me and asking them to do interviews.
33:45
Speaker 1: So I get the job. I know what the job is.
33:48
Speaker 1: I'm always very polite.
33:50
Speaker 2: I'm waiting on Urban Meyer to finish up talking to
33:52
Speaker 2: the coach that he's talking to.
33:55
Speaker 1: They shake hands. Coach walks away.
33:57
Speaker 2: I say, here's my entry point. here's my chance to
34:00
Speaker 2: go ask her.
34:02
Speaker 1: Right.
34:02
Speaker 2: I walk up and I say, Hey coach, I didn't
34:04
Speaker 2: say herb. I didn't call a Meyer. This is not
34:07
Speaker 2: like Bobby Knight choking the kid for calling him night
34:10
Speaker 2: on campus. When he passed by as I would with
34:13
Speaker 2: any coach, I showed them the respect. I said, Hey coach,
34:16
Speaker 2: my name's Chad with row. I'm with one Oh four, five,
34:19
Speaker 2: the zone. I extend my hand at this point. He
34:21
Speaker 2: is looking at my hand laser focused on the hint,
34:25
Speaker 2: refusing to shake it. So I'm thinking this is not
34:28
Speaker 2: going well.
34:29
Speaker 1: To start.
34:30
Speaker 2: So I'm introducing myself. Refusing to shake your hand. Refusing
34:33
Speaker 2: to shake my hand. Just looking at it like you've
34:36
Speaker 2: extended your hand. I'm not going to shake it.
34:37
Speaker 1: Wow.
34:38
Speaker 2: And then I put the hand back and I'm like, anyway,
34:41
Speaker 2: we're right over here, 20 feet from you doing interviews.
34:45
Speaker 2: George Plaster and the fellas were wondering if you'd like
34:48
Speaker 2: to hop on or you had any time to do it.
34:50
Speaker 2: And he cuts me off as I'm asking him and
34:52
Speaker 2: he says, can't you see I'm talking to people here?
34:56
Speaker 2: And I said, Well, I apologize. That's why I waited
35:01
Speaker 2: until you were done talking to the other coach. I'm
35:03
Speaker 2: here with other people, too. And, I mean, these two
35:06
Speaker 2: women are staring daggers through me, not saying a word.
35:10
Speaker 1: They're not talking. Wow.
35:12
Speaker 2: Just looking at me like he's trained robots, that he
35:17
Speaker 2: has them staring blazer beams through me the whole time.
35:19
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, dude, go away.
35:21
Speaker 2: And I said, okay, my bad, and walked away and just,
35:26
Speaker 2: you know, tuck my tail and walk back.
35:29
Speaker 1: To the podcast spot where I was. We've done the
35:32
Speaker 1: Super Bowl together where it's kind of the same thing.
35:35
Speaker 1: The first time I'm doing it, I'm thinking, man, you
35:39
Speaker 1: feel like you did something wrong if they say no.
35:43
Speaker 1: You have to go tell your boss or your host.
35:47
Speaker 1: that you didn't get what they wanted, you know? You
35:49
Speaker 1: don't have the next coach lined up for the next
35:52
Speaker 1: segment or whatever. Yeah, I mean, to not shake your
35:54
Speaker 1: hand is odd. I mean, it's rude.
35:58
Speaker 2: It's deplorable behavior. I mean, let's say what it is. Like,
36:02
Speaker 2: it's awful behavior. And I'm sure he's done that to
36:04
Speaker 2: a lot of people, and a lot of other people
36:06
Speaker 2: have the story, so I'm not special when it came
36:08
Speaker 2: to that. It's just completely unnecessary. He could have easily
36:11
Speaker 2: told me no. Was it Sterling Sharp one year at
36:14
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl? Hutton, that either you or me asked
36:16
Speaker 2: him about coming over, and he's like, huh, Nashville, no thanks.
36:20
Speaker 2: But he looked at our credential and was like, yeah, Nashville,
36:24
Speaker 2: no thanks, buddy.
36:25
Speaker 1: Not going to interview with you. It may have been.
36:27
Speaker 1: I remember Warren Sapp walked by once and looked at
36:32
Speaker 1: the table and it said Nashville, and he just rolled
36:33
Speaker 1: his eyes. I remember that. That was a long time ago.
36:37
Speaker 1: We're talking early 2000, the odds, 2008-2009.
36:43
Speaker 2: He was also our fearless leader, Clay Travis, who got
36:45
Speaker 2: the interview with Warren Sapp one time.
36:51
Speaker 1: What has Ray Lewis ever done wrong? What has he
36:53
Speaker 1: done wrong?
36:54
Speaker 2: Warren Sapp asked, and Clay said, minus the double murder?
36:58
Speaker 2: And started a whole thing with Warren Sapp, which was
37:01
Speaker 2: classic Clay and perfect timing by him. Second story, Hutton,
37:06
Speaker 2: in the story time that I'll get into. Everybody to
37:09
Speaker 2: this day still brings up Aaron Andrews to me. And
37:11
Speaker 2: if we're on good terms or cool, I will say
37:14
Speaker 2: that like, as the years have passed, I hold no
37:17
Speaker 2: bad feelings or ill will towards Aaron Andrews, who did
37:21
Speaker 2: indeed one time asked me at a table full of
37:24
Speaker 2: people in Manhattan, who the F are you in front
37:28
Speaker 2: of everyone? Because I dare to speak at this table. Now,
37:32
Speaker 2: the real part of this story is what rumor we
37:35
Speaker 2: were talking about, which I will never unveil publicly. But
37:38
Speaker 2: we were discussing a very prominent rumor across the NFL
37:43
Speaker 2: at a table. John Lynch is there. Fox execs are there.
37:47
Speaker 2: Clay Travis is there. He's the reason I'm sitting at
37:50
Speaker 2: this table because we were hanging out. I think it
37:52
Speaker 2: was the Peninsula Hotel in Manhattan. We're hanging out at
37:55
Speaker 2: the bar. Erin Andrews walks by from the bathroom. Her
37:58
Speaker 2: and Clay are buddies. Says hello to Clay. Introduces me
38:01
Speaker 2: to Erin.
38:02
Speaker 1: Very nice. Hey, great. Good seeing you guys. Nice to
38:05
Speaker 1: meet you.
38:05
Speaker 2: We're sitting right over there if you guys want to join.
38:08
Speaker 2: So she walks away. Clay's like, should we go join them?
38:10
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Let's go join.
38:12
Speaker 2: So we pull up a couple of chairs, this long
38:14
Speaker 2: dinner table. Post-dinner, everybody's having drinks. Everybody's having a good time.
38:18
Speaker 2: And we're discussing this rumor that And then everybody at
38:22
Speaker 2: the table, it's like, you know, you're passing the conch, right?
38:24
Speaker 2: Everybody's got their story about this rumor and what they've heard.
38:29
Speaker 2: And so people are freely speaking. This is not, there's
38:32
Speaker 2: no mics there. No one's going to report this, right?
38:35
Speaker 2: Passing the conch. And then finally, I dare to speak
38:39
Speaker 2: and start to tell a story. And Aaron Andrews, I mean,
38:42
Speaker 2: not eight words into my story says, I'm sorry, hold
38:45
Speaker 2: on a second.
38:46
Speaker 1: Who the F are you?
38:48
Speaker 2: And the whole table just uproariously starts laughing at me,
38:51
Speaker 2: pointing down at the end of the table. And I'm like, hey,
38:53
Speaker 2: I'm the guy you just met at the bar with
38:56
Speaker 2: Clay Travis.
38:57
Speaker 1: I'm his friend.
38:58
Speaker 2: Nobody hears my response because everybody's too busy laughing at
39:01
Speaker 2: Aaron's hilarious joke that she just made at my expense.
39:06
Speaker 2: Was it embarrassing? Yes, 100% embarrassing. Do I hold bad
39:11
Speaker 2: feelings toward her? No, because the likelihood was, A, she
39:15
Speaker 2: was drunk. and B, that she was just making a joke.
39:20
Speaker 2: She's that type of person that gives it back to
39:22
Speaker 2: people and does this. She didn't know me at the time,
39:25
Speaker 2: which was a little bit odd, but I'm really not
39:27
Speaker 2: mad at Erin Andrews.
39:29
Speaker 1: I think she does good work. I would love to
39:31
Speaker 1: have Erin Andrews.
39:32
Speaker 2: On this show at some point and bury the hatchet
39:35
Speaker 2: and tell the story and get her response to it,
39:38
Speaker 2: and if she even remembers it. But, yeah, great night
39:41
Speaker 2: in New York City, Hunt, in a city that never sleeps.
39:43
Speaker 2: There's another part. There's more to this story. Clay wrote
39:47
Speaker 2: about it.
39:48
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. It posted it on the site. That was the.
39:52
Speaker 2: Start of the wedge between Paul Kowarski and Clay Travis.
39:55
Speaker 2: Paul was like, I've got your back on this. He
39:58
Speaker 2: shouldn't have written about that without your permission. Which I said,
40:02
Speaker 2: I would have preferred he texted me and said, I'm
40:05
Speaker 2: going to write about this in a column. That said,
40:07
Speaker 2: I would have told him to do it. I didn't care.
40:10
Speaker 2: I was fine with him writing that story. Clay knows
40:13
Speaker 2: what to write and what not to write about different things.
40:17
Speaker 2: I trust his ability to decipher what he's going to
40:21
Speaker 2: write about a friend or what he isn't right so
40:24
Speaker 2: yeah i would have preferred i got asked but i
40:26
Speaker 2: also didn't care and that started a big fight between
40:29
Speaker 2: paul and clay at some point about him not asking
40:31
Speaker 2: my permission for it so i.
40:33
Speaker 1: Googled i tried to google the story i can't find
40:36
Speaker 1: it on on that that quickly it's it exists somewhere
40:40
Speaker 1: it's in the it's in the ether jab I think
40:43
Speaker 1: my favorite is the Aaron Andrews.
40:45
Speaker 2: It probably got nuked by Fox and Outkick.
40:47
Speaker 1: Maybe, maybe. Because once they bought the website.
40:50
Speaker 2: I'm assuming they got rid of that story to protect EA.
40:54
Speaker 1: That's fair. My favorite is Aaron Andrews, but it tells
40:57
Speaker 1: you a lot about the person of Urban Meyer. It's
41:01
Speaker 1: just so intentional. It's rude, but it's intentional. It's not
41:05
Speaker 1: a one-off is what I mean. I bet he does
41:07
Speaker 1: that a thousand times. He's still doing it, I bet.
41:11
Speaker 2: I can't even believe him when he's like looking like
41:13
Speaker 2: he's trying to have fun. You know, when they joke,
41:16
Speaker 2: the Fox show jokes a lot with each other and
41:18
Speaker 2: they're kind of slapping arms and Mark Ingram and Matt
41:21
Speaker 2: Leiner have a good rapport and everybody acts like they're buddy, buddy.
41:24
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking even when Urban is, he looks so uncomfortable,
41:29
Speaker 2: so uncomfortable, cracking a smile or laughing. He's got his
41:33
Speaker 2: transition lenses on. He's not, you know, I can see
41:35
Speaker 2: in his eyes through them. He looks completely uncomfortable being
41:39
Speaker 2: a human being.
41:41
Speaker 1: I think he has great points. I enjoy his commentary,
41:46
Speaker 1: but I don't enjoy it.
41:47
Speaker 2: He knows more football than either one of us will
41:50
Speaker 2: ever know.
41:50
Speaker 1: There's no doubt. His knowledge is elite.
41:54
Speaker 2: When he can talk about it, he's a good communicator
41:56
Speaker 2: of his points that he brings up.
41:58
Speaker 1: I think he's good on that show. I do, too.
42:00
Speaker 2: I've got no problems with him. Nick Saban has more
42:04
Speaker 2: fun than Urban Meyer. I can buy Nick Saban and
42:07
Speaker 2: Pat McAfee get along, and I can buy Nick Saban
42:10
Speaker 2: the jokester, even when I watch the documentary. I can't
42:13
Speaker 2: buy Urban Meyer even telling a joke or truly having
42:17
Speaker 2: a good time.
42:18
Speaker 1: McAfee makes Saban so much better. Yeah. It brings out
42:22
Speaker 1: the personality in him. There's no way McAfee would get
42:26
Speaker 1: that out of Urban Meyer. I take that back.
42:28
Speaker 2: I have seen Urban Meyer truly have fun at a
42:30
Speaker 2: sports bar in Ohio.
42:32
Speaker 1: One time on video. Yeah.
42:35
Speaker 2: That's the one time I can recall Urban Meyer being
42:37
Speaker 2: a human being.
42:38
Speaker 1: Yes.
42:39
Speaker 2: Was when he was having a great time that night
42:41
Speaker 2: on video at that sports bar.
42:44
Speaker 1: Hey, coming up, primary complaint. Even then he wasn't smiling, though. Yeah, yeah,
42:48
Speaker 1: he wasn't. You're right. Looked very serious about the act.
42:51
Speaker 1: It was a business decision. It was, yeah. Hey, coming up,
42:55
Speaker 1: primary complaint. Sunday Withrow presented by Hard Rock Bat. Going
43:00
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43:57
Speaker 1: It is time for primary complaint. And guys, I'm kicking
44:02
Speaker 1: it off with last night at Chappelle. If you're going
44:07
Speaker 1: to not allow cell phones or any Bluetooth device, why
44:13
Speaker 1: is it a ticketless event where you have to bring
44:16
Speaker 1: your phone in order to enter the building? That's my
44:20
Speaker 1: primary complaint. I would have left my phone at home, Chad,
44:26
Speaker 1: and just walked. and not even have to deal with anything.
44:29
Speaker 1: But you have to be able to get to the building.
44:31
Speaker 1: So you have to carry this thing around with you
44:35
Speaker 1: the entire night. It's not ideal. It doesn't fit in
44:38
Speaker 1: my pocket. So they put it like, is it in
44:40
Speaker 1: like a little lockbox thing? It's like in a little
44:42
Speaker 1: bag that's like a magnetic clip or something that you
44:45
Speaker 1: can't open until you leave the building and they unlock
44:49
Speaker 1: it for you. I mean... It's like one of those things,
44:52
Speaker 1: those black plastic things that are on your clothes if
44:56
Speaker 1: you're shopping. Yeah.
44:57
Speaker 2: Why can't they just tell everyone in advance, if you
45:00
Speaker 2: don't want to bring your phone, don't bring it.
45:01
Speaker 1: If you don't want to deal with this. But you
45:03
Speaker 1: have to be able to get to the building. That's
45:04
Speaker 1: my ticket. Oh, that's okay. I got you. You have
45:07
Speaker 1: to carry these things around. It forces you to. I
45:09
Speaker 1: would prefer to have something else and leave my phone
45:12
Speaker 1: at home so I don't have to be this little
45:14
Speaker 1: baggy all night.
45:16
Speaker 2: I do like Dave Chappelle. We're going to get to
45:18
Speaker 2: your review of the show soon. But I do like
45:21
Speaker 2: that Dave Chappelle is so committed to people not being
45:24
Speaker 2: stuck on their phones. Yeah. I mean, this is a
45:27
Speaker 2: commitment to the bit, unlike anything else, that you have
45:30
Speaker 2: to do this. One of the few times I can
45:32
Speaker 2: remember having to do this, we saw Chris Rock at Zany's,
45:36
Speaker 2: and it was a show for like 150 people, 200 people,
45:39
Speaker 2: whatever that room fits. Very small venue where he was
45:42
Speaker 2: trying out material that was eventually going to be an
45:45
Speaker 2: HBO or a Netflix special, I think a Netflix special.
45:47
Speaker 2: So he even stumbled during the middle of the thing, like, oh,
45:51
Speaker 2: I lost.
45:51
Speaker 1: My train of thought. Where was I?
45:52
Speaker 2: And he'd look down at his notes and That was why,
45:55
Speaker 2: because he was working through his material.
45:56
Speaker 1: It was awesome.
45:58
Speaker 2: It was really funny, really good to be that close
45:59
Speaker 2: to Chris Rock. But I do appreciate that Chappelle is
46:04
Speaker 2: so committed to a world and an experience without you
46:08
Speaker 2: looking down at your phone one time, which we need
46:10
Speaker 2: more of, quite frankly.
46:11
Speaker 1: This is part of my review. I've got thoughts on
46:13
Speaker 1: this throughout the night. It'll blow your mind what goes
46:16
Speaker 1: into this for him.
46:17
Speaker 2: I'll tell you someone who probably hates looking at things
46:19
Speaker 2: on a cell phone. It's Christopher Nolan. This strikes me
46:22
Speaker 2: as a man who is very committed to his craft,
46:25
Speaker 2: very committed to making sure that you can see things
46:27
Speaker 2: on IMAX and 70 millimeters, and he knows all the
46:31
Speaker 2: different film stocks. He knows exactly how to create a masterpiece.
46:35
Speaker 2: I love the movie, The Prestige. It's one of his
46:37
Speaker 2: many masterpieces at this point. Christopher Nolan is not a
46:41
Speaker 2: prolific director. He's not a prolific creator. When he does something,
46:45
Speaker 2: he fully commits. Whether it's the Batman trilogy, the Dark
46:48
Speaker 2: Knight trilogy, or it is Oppenheimer, or it's The Odyssey,
46:52
Speaker 2: which I've seen all of these films, and I'd say
46:55
Speaker 2: that they are films out of respect to Christopher Nolan.
46:58
Speaker 1: I love them.
47:00
Speaker 2: This is my primary complaint, though, is that Christopher Nolan
47:04
Speaker 2: is spending any time in his day or any thought
47:08
Speaker 2: on recutting The Prestige 20 years later and reissuing it
47:12
Speaker 2: in theaters. We have reached a point in time, which
47:15
Speaker 2: The Prestige is a great movie.
47:16
Speaker 1: It is.
47:17
Speaker 2: I might go see it in theaters in this, okay?
47:19
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that I'm against that. But here's what
47:22
Speaker 2: I want from Christopher Nolan while he's alive and on
47:24
Speaker 2: this earth. I want him creating new films. I want
47:27
Speaker 2: him creating new things for us to experience and see.
47:31
Speaker 2: I want to go see the next Dunkirk out of
47:33
Speaker 2: Christopher Nolan.
47:34
Speaker 1: I don't want to go.
47:35
Speaker 2: See The Prestige with 20 extra minutes, probably, of footage
47:38
Speaker 2: that he cut out the first time in his reimagining
47:41
Speaker 2: of the film on 70 millimeter or IMAX or anything
47:45
Speaker 2: else just because we have the capability. Michael Mann is
47:49
Speaker 2: another example. Great director.
47:51
Speaker 1: Love Heat.
47:51
Speaker 2: Love so many movies he's done. I think he's in
47:53
Speaker 2: his 80s at this point. Michael Mann doesn't have many
47:57
Speaker 2: movies left to do.
47:59
Speaker 1: And so when I.
47:59
Speaker 2: See that he has reissued and recut Miami Vice, the
48:03
Speaker 2: Colin Farrell, Jamie Foxx Miami Vice, and reissued it in theaters,
48:07
Speaker 2: I'm thinking this is a waste of Michael Mann's time
48:11
Speaker 2: on earth. Stop going back into the history and rewriting
48:15
Speaker 2: and recreating things that already worked and go ahead.
48:19
Speaker 1: And make something new. This is my primary complaint. Right
48:23
Speaker 1: there with you. JT. Boys, we are deep in the South, right?
48:30
Speaker 3: A lot of big, bad dudes that drive big, loud trucks.
48:34
Speaker 3: A lot of hard guys that do construction and take
48:37
Speaker 3: care of people and continue to make our lives better.
48:40
Speaker 3: But there's one thing that Every time I'm on the interstate,
48:44
Speaker 3: road just kind of pisses me off. And I don't
48:48
Speaker 3: know that I have anything to say today. I just
48:49
Speaker 3: want to show a little graphic here. And please explain
48:51
Speaker 3: to me why this is okay. Not responsible for windshield damage.
48:59
Speaker 3: Stay back 200 or 500 feet. In what world is
49:04
Speaker 3: it okay for you to be driving a vehicle in
49:08
Speaker 3: front of me and be able to tell me that,
49:11
Speaker 3: You are not responsible for something that comes out of
49:14
Speaker 3: your vehicle. I mean, tell me whether you're hauling a
49:19
Speaker 3: toilet that you need to take to a dump, whether
49:21
Speaker 3: you're throwing out a banana peel. If it comes out
49:24
Speaker 3: of your car and hits my car and breaks a
49:26
Speaker 3: windshield or causes me to have a wreck, you're the problem.
49:29
Speaker 1: It's not me just because you have a.
49:30
Speaker 3: Big sign on your car that says, hey, you need
49:32
Speaker 3: to stay back 200 or 500 feet.
49:34
Speaker 1: That's my primary complaint. So that's great. We can do
49:37
Speaker 1: some research here too.
49:38
Speaker 2: JT, during a break, we need to call Clay Travis
49:40
Speaker 2: Law and make sure that this is not legally binding
49:43
Speaker 2: because I can almost guarantee you that that sign on
49:45
Speaker 2: any vehicle would not hold up in any lawsuit or
49:49
Speaker 2: court or damages or anything else. I don't think that's
49:52
Speaker 2: a legally binding contract when they put that sticker on
49:55
Speaker 2: the back of a truck.
49:55
Speaker 1: So what if on your windshield you had, you're responsible
49:59
Speaker 1: for any windshield damage? Right. Yeah.
50:03
Speaker 3: I don't think I did do some research yesterday when
50:05
Speaker 3: I was thinking about this. I don't think that there's
50:07
Speaker 3: any legal thing that allows them to get out of that.
50:10
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, if you don't even do it, sticking.
50:13
Speaker 3: Out of the back of your truck, you're not obligated,
50:16
Speaker 3: but you're polite to put one of those little flag
50:18
Speaker 3: things on it that let people see that, hey, this
50:20
Speaker 3: is sticking out further. But the fact that these dump
50:23
Speaker 3: truck guys can't put a tarp that will keep them
50:26
Speaker 3: gravel out of the back of your vehicle. And I
50:28
Speaker 3: need to slow down or get over or move or hope.
50:31
Speaker 1: The hell? My windshield doesn't break? It's ridiculous. I realize
50:34
Speaker 1: that the car in front of me, the standard car,
50:37
Speaker 1: if I catch a rock, that's just part of driving
50:42
Speaker 1: in today's world. It cracks your windshield. It's your time
50:46
Speaker 1: to go get a new windshield. But if that dump truck,
50:50
Speaker 1: if the back gate falls down because they didn't lock
50:53
Speaker 1: it or tie it down, that's on them. That's not
50:56
Speaker 1: on me.
50:57
Speaker 2: If all the rocks come down, There's no way it's
51:01
Speaker 2: legally binding. I also, like you, JT, hate that people
51:04
Speaker 2: even bother to put that.
51:05
Speaker 1: On their vehicle.
51:06
Speaker 2: I'll also say the amount of faith we put just
51:09
Speaker 2: in our fellow human beings in America on the interstate,
51:13
Speaker 2: that they have secured their payload properly when they're driving
51:18
Speaker 2: down the interstate.
51:19
Speaker 1: I constantly get.
51:20
Speaker 2: Behind the huge PVC pipes, metal pipes, something that's barely
51:25
Speaker 2: tied onto a truck, and I'm thinking... This thing might
51:28
Speaker 2: final destination me at any point when I'm going 80
51:31
Speaker 2: on the interstate and they're in front of me. If
51:33
Speaker 2: that slides out and what it's going to do to
51:36
Speaker 2: me or my vehicle.
51:38
Speaker 1: Think about the amount. And I usually try to get around.
51:41
Speaker 2: Someone that's got anything hanging out of the back of
51:43
Speaker 2: their truck. But the amount of you can't do that
51:47
Speaker 2: if you're not on the interstate, by the way, if
51:48
Speaker 2: you're just on a two lane road. But the amount
51:51
Speaker 2: of times we put faith in some dude's ability to
51:55
Speaker 2: properly secure his payload in a truck bed. baffles the
51:58
Speaker 2: mind and how horrible things don't happen more times than
52:03
Speaker 2: they do is crazy to me.
52:05
Speaker 1: I think about what we, I mean, you don't even
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Speaker 1: think about the faith we put in doctors. Oh, look,
52:12
Speaker 1: I have a truck hunting.
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Speaker 2: And multiple times I have put stuff to take it
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Speaker 2: off to the dump or somewhere.
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Speaker 1: I've not properly secured that because I didn't have the
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Speaker 1: tools to do it.
52:20
Speaker 2: So I'm just wedging it in there hoping I'll go
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Speaker 2: slow enough that this thing ain't going to fly out
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Speaker 2: and decapitate the person behind me. And I know that
52:30
Speaker 2: I'm not alone in saying that that's happened before. So
52:33
Speaker 2: it's crazy how much faith we put in people. Also,
52:36
Speaker 2: let me say this as we're wrapping up Primary Complaint.
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Speaker 2: I'm amazed at how much faith we put in people's
52:41
Speaker 2: ability to think. At times, I posted yesterday, we had
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Speaker 2: a poll on it in our YouTube chat, discussed this.
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Speaker 2: I said, any 9-3 SEC team belongs to the playoff
52:51
Speaker 2: over a 10-2 UCLA or a 10-2 Iowa.
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Speaker 1: Go look at those two schedules.
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Speaker 2: So this tweet has now been seen by 181,000 people.
53:01
Speaker 2: Danny Connell was one of the first to respond. Danny Connell,
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Speaker 2: noted SEC hater, said, check Georgia's schedule and get back
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Speaker 2: to me. And my response was... Georgia won at Alabama.
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Speaker 2: That's already better than any win possible for either one
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Speaker 2: of those two teams now that Iowa's already lost to
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Speaker 2: Ohio State. And then people are like, well, you can't
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Speaker 2: make it about one win. Now, here's what has bothered
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Speaker 2: me about this. The Iowa Hawkeye fan base has picked
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Speaker 2: up on me posting this, so I'm getting bombarded with
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Speaker 2: Iowa people saying, saying, oh, like this 10-2 SEC team,
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Speaker 2: and we beat their ever-loving ass a year ago in
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Speaker 2: a bowl game, and they're posting Iowa 34, Vanderbilt 27.
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Speaker 1: In that game.
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Speaker 2: That they beat the ever-loving hell out of Vanderbilt by
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Speaker 2: seven points, first off, is funny to me in that game. Second,
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Speaker 2: apologies to Vanderbilt. Great season, great story. But bragging for
53:58
Speaker 2: years on end or bragging this much about beating Vanderbilt
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Speaker 2: is like a Big Ten or it would be like
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Speaker 2: an SEC school bragging about beating Purdue at some point
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Speaker 2: in some bowl game at that point, okay? Now, we
54:11
Speaker 2: can argue about Vandy was disappointed they didn't make the
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Speaker 2: playoff and yada, yada, yada.
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Speaker 1: I'm not even going to do that.
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Speaker 2: I'm simply going to cite, which I did to the
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Speaker 2: Iowa fans, which pissed them off even more. I said, oh,
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Speaker 2: you mean like this beatdown of a 10-2 Big Ten
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Speaker 2: team by a team with a backup quarterback playing in
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Speaker 2: a bowl game? And I posted Tennessee's 35-0 win over
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Speaker 2: Iowa in the Cheez-It Bowl from two years ago. And
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Speaker 2: they said, oh, that was Nico. Nico was the backup
54:39
Speaker 2: quarterback that year. He had not started a single game.
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Speaker 2: Joe Milton was the quarterback. Tennessee had opt-outs. Iowa fans.
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Speaker 1: We had all these opt-outs.
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Speaker 2: Tennessee had all these opt-outs, dude.
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Speaker 1: It's a bowl game, is my point.
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Speaker 2: So if you want to brag about Iowa beating a
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Speaker 2: 10-2 SEC team, then I'm going to brag about Tennessee
54:58
Speaker 2: beating a 10-2 Iowa team. And then people are saying,
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Speaker 2: Iowa finished 10-4. Did they double their loss total? How
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Speaker 2: did they only have two losses?
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Speaker 1: Dumbasses.
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Speaker 2: You play in the Big Ten championship game. You went
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Speaker 2: 10-2 just like Vandy. The only difference is you did
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Speaker 2: it well enough in a terrible enough division that you
55:17
Speaker 2: then had to go play Ohio State in a Big.
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Speaker 1: Ten championship and you lost 26 to nothing.
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Speaker 2: And then you played Tennessee in a bowl game and
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Speaker 2: you lost 35 to nothing in that game.
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Speaker 1: Receipts.
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Speaker 2: I do not want to hear from Iowa fans on this.
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Speaker 2: I will repeat it. I will scream it from the rafters.
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Speaker 2: First off, I don't think UCLA is going 10-2. I
55:37
Speaker 2: think they're going to go 11-1 and get in. But
55:39
Speaker 2: if UCLA or Iowa, everybody can go fact check me
55:43
Speaker 2: on their schedules. If they go 10-2, I think any
55:47
Speaker 2: 9-3 SEC team would deserve a spot over them. Is
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Speaker 2: that me saying that every 9-3 team is going to
55:53
Speaker 2: get in? No, of course not. But I'm saying head-to-head
55:56
Speaker 2: with those two teams that are 10-2, the SEC deserves
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Speaker 2: a spot in. Now, there are going to be other
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Speaker 2: 10-2 teams that deserve the spot over a 9-3 SEC team.
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Speaker 2: that I'm talking about, but not those two teams.
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Speaker 1: Chad, tomorrow we need to dive into the college football
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Speaker 1: playoff committee.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: See who's on that. But just based on what we're
56:19
Speaker 1: discussing here. Oh, Chad, GBT.
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Speaker 2: We can't just count losses. Because a lot of people, oh,
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Speaker 2: you can't do that. They've got one more loss. This
56:26
Speaker 2: is not– it is outdated thinking. It is an outdated thing.
56:31
Speaker 2: For someone who gets called a boomer all the time
56:33
Speaker 2: about every take that I have, this is a non-boomer take.
56:37
Speaker 2: The boomer take is once you get a loss and
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Speaker 2: then you get another one, then you can't go compete
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Speaker 2: for a title. That's the old BCS way of thinking.
56:45
Speaker 2: That's the old we're going to vote on the national
56:46
Speaker 2: champion way of thinking. The new age way of thinking
56:49
Speaker 2: is you better schedule tough. You're going to have a
56:53
Speaker 2: tough schedule in conference. And then at the end of
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Speaker 2: the year, we're going to look at everybody's schedule, who
56:58
Speaker 2: they beat, who they lost to.
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Speaker 1: And decide.
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Speaker 2: And one factor will be number of losses, but it's
57:03
Speaker 2: not going to be the only factor, and it's not
57:05
Speaker 2: going to be the top factor.
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Speaker 1: Go ask Florida State about that. 100%.
57:09
Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Go ask Florida State with a big zero beside it. ChatGBT,
57:14
Speaker 1: Jacob sends this along. Whether or not that sign on
57:18
Speaker 1: the back of the rock truck is legal. Short answer, no,
57:20
Speaker 1: not really. That sign is more of a deterrent than
57:23
Speaker 1: a legal shield. You can't waive someone else's rights with
57:27
Speaker 1: a bumper sticker.
57:29
Speaker 2: Right. Well, just in general, there's not a consenting second
57:33
Speaker 2: party either to what they're stating.
57:35
Speaker 1: There's got to be that as well.
57:37
Speaker 2: I can't walk around with a sign that says, if
57:39
Speaker 2: you get close to me, I will punch you. And
57:41
Speaker 2: if I punch you, you can't sue me because you're
57:43
Speaker 2: in my personal space. And I can't wear that on
57:46
Speaker 2: a t-shirt the whole time. And then if I punch somebody,
57:48
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, that guy wore that shirt, so I
57:51
Speaker 2: can't sue him now.
57:53
Speaker 1: Most of the claims are through dash cams. Uber drivers
57:57
Speaker 1: have those. all the time. A lot of people, I guess,
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Speaker 1: have them. But if you want to make a claim,
58:02
Speaker 1: you've got to have proof that it came from them.
58:05
Speaker 1: I guess they're getting sued a lot. A lot of
58:07
Speaker 1: claims on those rocks. I'm sure. Dave Chappelle, last night,
58:12
Speaker 1: went to the show, and I've got the review coming up,
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Speaker 1: and something that I'm as impressed as I've been in
58:19
Speaker 1: a long time with just going to an arena and
58:23
Speaker 1: and watching a game, a show, or a concert. That's
58:27
Speaker 1: straight ahead here on Hutton and Withrow.