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The New World and Why Satan Wants Control · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to the podcast today, everybody. I'm here with Terry James.
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Speaker 1: Terry James and Pete Garcia wrote a new book called
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Speaker 1: The New World Order, World's in Collision and the Rebirth
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Speaker 1: of Liberty, and this is a great book that we're
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Speaker 1: going to discuss some of the topics in it.
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Speaker 2: Terry, welcome, Thank you very much, Amano, and I USh
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Speaker 2: to be with you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good enough. Pete is off working actually, and
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Speaker 1: so he's not able to be here, which is kind
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Speaker 1: of a bummer.
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Speaker 2: It is. I like to say that Pete wrote a
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Speaker 2: great deal of this book, most of it and a
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Speaker 2: lot of it was his idea, and I thank him
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Speaker 2: so much. He did a tremendous job, as did you
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Speaker 2: with the forward.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. You know what, I really appreciate you asking me
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Speaker 1: to do the forward on this because as I looked
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Speaker 1: at some of the initial thoughts in the manuscript, I
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Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, absolutely participating in what you're doing.
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Speaker 1: Because as we're kind of living Terry in the New
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Speaker 1: World implementation stage, which I definitely want to talk about.
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Speaker 1: But before we do, let's kind of set the stage
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Speaker 1: from a foundational level, which is kind of what I
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Speaker 1: did in the forward that the first thing I say
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Speaker 1: in the book, or at least in my forward, is quote,
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Speaker 1: you're a conspiracy theorist. And we know that that's kind
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Speaker 1: of been a pejorative term over the past, But let's
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Speaker 1: talk about that as a Biblical Christian? Is it right?
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Speaker 1: And should we embrace the phrase being a conspiracy person
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Speaker 1: or a conspiracy theorist.
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Speaker 2: Well, myself, I would argue that what I believe and
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Speaker 2: what I think is based on the Bible. God cannot lie.
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Speaker 2: It's his word, and therefore it's not a conspiracy. But
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Speaker 2: I realized that the world's going to call a lot
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Speaker 2: of it a conspiracy because they are the antithesis of
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Speaker 2: everything God recommends, And so I can't I can't have
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Speaker 2: what they call me a conspiracy theorist. And if they
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Speaker 2: want to call me that that's what I am, then
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Speaker 2: then I'm still going to put forth what I believe
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Speaker 2: God's words says, particularly in Bible prophecy, and and if
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Speaker 2: they want to deny that, well, uh, there again, I
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Speaker 2: that's the way I deal with conspiracy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's it's interesting because, uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: to me, it's like, well, of course I'm a conspiracy guy,
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Speaker 1: aren't you. I mean, the if we look at the
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Speaker 1: definition of conspiracy, it's it's that the it's two or
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Speaker 1: more people plotting together for some sort of most mostly
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Speaker 1: nefarious idea. And so when we look at at at
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Speaker 1: Satan as the master conspirator, that that's kind of the
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Speaker 1: way I start at least afford is Hey, guys, of
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Speaker 1: course we believe conspiracy because we believe in Satan. If
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Speaker 1: you deny Satan, what's Satan's goal? Well, from the beginning, Uh,
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Speaker 1: we're introduced to him in Genesis three. We show up
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Speaker 1: on the scene and there he is, and and he's
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Speaker 1: conspiring uh. And and he against God for sure, nefariously,
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Speaker 1: but also he looks to recruit humanity, and so he
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Speaker 1: shows up in the arden seeking to uh, to cause trouble.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and as antagonistic to his desires. You and are conspiracist, Mondo,
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Speaker 2: because we both are conspiring together to adherit to what
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Speaker 2: God's words is, to bring people to a saving knowledge
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Speaker 2: or Jesus Christ, which is the answer to sin. So
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Speaker 2: in that sense, yeah, we're conspiring together. We're conspiracy conspiracists
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Speaker 2: in the good way.
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Speaker 1: In a good way. Yeah, yeah, And and so let's
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Speaker 1: go back and kind of revisit for I just like
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Speaker 1: to encourage people. Hey, guys when oftentimes when labels are
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Speaker 1: thrown out, you know, you know, you're you're a conservative,
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Speaker 1: you're a Republican, you're a democrat, you're a liberal, whatever
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Speaker 1: those labels are, oftentimes they're meant to to neutralize people.
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Speaker 1: And so if people want to throw that at us,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, absolutely, embrace it. Now let's talk about it.
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Speaker 1: We believe in a conspiracy that's that originated with Satan,
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Speaker 1: who is working behind the scenes against God, and he's
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Speaker 1: seeking to establish his own which we'll get to, his
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Speaker 1: own order, his own order of things. But when we
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Speaker 1: think about what he's doing, let's talk about who else
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Speaker 1: is involved, spiritually and even from a human level in
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Speaker 1: his kingdom, in God's kingdom, No, in Satan's kingdom. He's
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Speaker 1: not doing this alone, right.
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Speaker 2: Like, like we've talked about before, I think that, you know,
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Speaker 2: if Asian six twelve pretty much has it down, we
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Speaker 2: struggle out against the flesh and blood, against principal palities
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Speaker 2: and powers, against you know, evil and high place. Wickedness
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Speaker 2: is high place. And so forth, And yeah, I again
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Speaker 2: believe that he has Satan has both the demonic and
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Speaker 2: supernatural minions at work as they have been since the
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Speaker 2: Fall and since being kicked out of Heaven. And then
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Speaker 2: he has the human minions a working under them, working
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Speaker 2: under them in which they're they're tempted and even in Dwelt,
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Speaker 2: I think in some cases, and so, yeah, the world
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Speaker 2: is full of Satan's menus, both human and the money.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think there's no doubt. As we look
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Speaker 1: at history, there are those that hate God and who
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Speaker 1: are willing participants in Satan's agenda to establish his kingdom
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Speaker 1: apart from God. But there's also let's talk about the
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Speaker 1: other angle too. There's those are that surprising would be
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Speaker 1: willing to join Satan and sell their soul for riches
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Speaker 1: or for wealth, or sensual pleasures, whatever the fame, whatever,
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Speaker 1: those temptations that Satan offers. But we also have those
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Speaker 1: that are deceived. I mean, we know from First Timity
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Speaker 1: chapter two that Eve was deceived into taking the fruit
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Speaker 1: right because she looked at it and she's like, oh wow,
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Speaker 1: looks pleasing, And I could be like one of the
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Speaker 1: gods if I do this. Oh, this is awesome, and
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Speaker 1: so he deceives her with the temptation that she accepts.
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Speaker 1: You know, Adam did it willingly. But let's talk about
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Speaker 1: the others that that maybe they mean well in trying
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Speaker 1: to establish a global order. Maybe maybe, but they've been
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Speaker 1: deceived into his methods and to his philosophy.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think they all, they all, most of them
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Speaker 2: may begin by thinking they're doing God's service, you know,
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Speaker 2: in God's work by doing this. But what the human
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Speaker 2: mind does, because it's fallen and it's getting farther away
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Speaker 2: from God as we see through the issues and events
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Speaker 2: of the day, Uh, just amazing the things we see,
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Speaker 2: the direction we see things going away from God. And
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Speaker 2: I think even within our government we see that. It's
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Speaker 2: that we have reprobate minds running things right now in
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Speaker 2: this government, this world, and not only in this United States,
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Speaker 2: but in other places too. And and so yeah, that's uh,
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Speaker 2: that's uh, that's the way it's headed.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, when we look at the and this is what
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Speaker 1: what you guys do in the book, which is so
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Speaker 1: good you Establis, publish the theological foundation of if we want
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Speaker 1: to understand the future, then we look at the past, right,
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Speaker 1: you know and we see that philosophy, which is good.
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Speaker 1: You know, those that don't understand history will are doomed
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Speaker 1: to repeat it and all the other things. But when
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Speaker 1: we look at Satan's mo in the Bible, he's recruiting
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Speaker 1: not only the spiritual hosts leading a rebellion there, he's
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Speaker 1: recruiting humans to participate in. And we see historically whether
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Speaker 1: it's the Garden, whether it is Canaan Able, maybe the
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Speaker 1: Tower of Babble for sure. And then we come into
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Speaker 1: the nation of Israel and how he's recruiting the kings
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Speaker 1: that to worship other gods, always in opposition to worshiping
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Speaker 1: and being loyal to the true God.
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Speaker 2: That's because the fallen nature of mankind, the tendency is
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Speaker 2: to pull away from God. That's where the break, and
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Speaker 2: that's why man has to be reconciled. And only Jesus
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Speaker 2: Christ can do that and God, only God's way can
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Speaker 2: do that. And until that happens, is going to continue
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Speaker 2: to go in the opposite direction, at which time ultimately
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Speaker 2: God's wrath and judgment are going to fall on mankind.
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Speaker 2: And I believe we see some maybe not the full
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Speaker 2: wrath or full judgment. We certainly have seen numerous warnings
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Speaker 2: I believe from God, just in our era, in this
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Speaker 2: in what we call the modernistic era.
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Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, you know, it's interesting when we think about
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Speaker 1: you know, uh, he's ECO twenty eight in talking to
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Speaker 1: the power behind the King of Tire. It's clearly a
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Speaker 1: reference to Satan, I think. And it says that he's
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Speaker 1: God speaking that he was perfect in wisdom, and so
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Speaker 1: Satan he has to look at God, the creator, the
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Speaker 1: uncreated being, the uncreated Creator, all powerful and and yet
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Speaker 1: knows that that he can't uncreate God. So God's never
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Speaker 1: going to be destroyed in the sense of ontologically, But
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Speaker 1: what does what does Satan want? Do you think that
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Speaker 1: Satan is just looking to create a a concurrent kingdom
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Speaker 1: on his own where he's being worshiped, And yet it's like, yeah, whatever,
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Speaker 1: if you guys want to go over there worship yahweh fine,
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Speaker 1: But I want my own kingdom. I want to be worshiped,
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Speaker 1: to operate concurrently, knowing that he can never get rid
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Speaker 1: of God fully. But yet, what what's he after here?
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad to say that I can't fully comprehend
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Speaker 2: Satan's mind for sure, any more than I can create,
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Speaker 2: I can understand the God's mind totally. It always you know,
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Speaker 2: as we've talked about before, Maybe I don't see how Satan,
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Speaker 2: who knows God perfectly, I mean, he was his most
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Speaker 2: I guess you're his greatest creative being in the angelic world.
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Speaker 2: That's the way that it is portrayed. And yet he
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Speaker 2: fell into sin. What is this thing called iniquity? Where
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Speaker 2: did it come from? That's a that's a finite concept.
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Speaker 2: I don't understand, you know, infant of mine can't get
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Speaker 2: around that. And why does Satan, who knows this, uh,
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Speaker 2: why does he still think he's going to prevail and
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Speaker 2: is doing everything he can? And then he can look
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Speaker 2: at what God's prophetic words say and he doesn't seem
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Speaker 2: to be able to get out of that track of
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Speaker 2: following exactly what Bible prophecy says is going to happen
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Speaker 2: and will happen, and yet he still thinks he's gonna prevail.
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Speaker 1: One.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's the ultimate reprobate mine of a Roman
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Speaker 2: T one eight. I think satan as have come down
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Speaker 2: to that, and all who follow him will eventually come
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Speaker 2: to that total reprobate anti God thing. And I think
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Speaker 2: we see that happening right now, particularly leadership in this country,
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Speaker 2: in other countries, and much of the people who follow
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Speaker 2: those leaderships.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's amazing to you. Again, the guys
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Speaker 1: at a great job in the book is if we
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Speaker 1: look at the way that Satan has worked in the
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Speaker 1: past and try to establish his new world order, and
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Speaker 1: then we can transition, you know, into talking about what
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Speaker 1: we see in our cur and events. Is I look,
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Speaker 1: and I just go back to Matthew four that what
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Speaker 1: does Satan want? Well, the ultimate thing we know when
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Speaker 1: he's talking to Jesus, he tells Jesus, this is what
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Speaker 1: I want. I want if you I'll give you all
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Speaker 1: the kingdoms of the world their mine, to give all
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Speaker 1: the wealth, the glory of the fame, all of it.
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Speaker 1: If you'll just bow down and worship me, I will
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Speaker 1: give all this to you. And so that's what he wants.
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Speaker 1: He wants Jesus, Jesus the Son of God, to grant
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Speaker 1: glory to him and worship it in service. And so
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Speaker 1: as we look into our current situation, as we're approaching
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Speaker 1: the end of the age, we know at the end
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Speaker 1: in Revelation thirteen that everybody's worshiping the dragon. So it's
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Speaker 1: almost as if the New World Order, the globalism, global government,
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Speaker 1: all of that, what that entails, is set to put
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Speaker 1: Satan at the top. And we know that the whole
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Speaker 1: world worships him, and so it's almost as if the
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Speaker 1: New World Order is just a means to the end
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Speaker 1: of him being worshiped him. What's your thoughts on that?
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and I think and that's what he wants.
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Speaker 2: We see that in chapter thirteen of Revelation where he dwells.
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Speaker 2: I believe the anti Christ is the son of tradition
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Speaker 2: and Satan's man, he actually in dwells him. I believe
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Speaker 2: when he is thrown out of heaven, I believe it
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Speaker 2: happens in chapter twelve of Revelation, and he actually in dwells,
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Speaker 2: and Satan in that way does get his moment of glory,
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Speaker 2: I guess, because he demands worship. But the second he
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Speaker 2: does well, Jesus said that that initiates the worst time
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Speaker 2: in all of all of human history. And so God
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Speaker 2: is going to make a statement right then of what
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Speaker 2: he thinks of the earth dwellers, as is put in
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Speaker 2: the Bible. So yeah, sat Satan doesn't want to be
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Speaker 2: worshiped and again can explain knowing God that he knows God,
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Speaker 2: that he cannot be defeated, and he's perfect in every way?
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Speaker 2: Did that? I don't know where? Where does iniquity come from?
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, as first time I've had some
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Speaker 2: of it in my pat Yeah, are certainly thinkfully I'm
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Speaker 2: to say from that we've.
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Speaker 1: Had enough to be humble. There's no doubt about that.
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Speaker 1: But yet it's interesting that God says in that easy
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Speaker 1: to twenty eight that you were perfect and telling iniquity
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Speaker 1: was found in you. And we know for seventy three
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Speaker 1: and other passages that he fell through pride. He's you know,
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Speaker 1: he's he spends too much time looking in the mirror
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Speaker 1: of how beautiful he was, or maybe contemplating how wise
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Speaker 1: he was, and that that's.
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Speaker 2: Not And you know that's what God says. He that's
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Speaker 2: the number one thing he lists on his list of
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Speaker 2: seven things.
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Speaker 1: He hates his pride.
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Speaker 2: And what what do we have right now? What do
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Speaker 2: we have right now? We have we have something called
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Speaker 2: worldwide pride. They won't call it gay now, I don't
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Speaker 2: guess because they don't want to. They don't want to
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Speaker 2: make those who want to be proud. I think that
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Speaker 2: they are also part of the LBTQ stuff and all
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Speaker 2: that stuff, But this gay pride thing, in my opinion,
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Speaker 2: God is not going to let this go unpunished.
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, there's no doubt. And I think it's
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Speaker 1: also the other aspect of it is there's there's a sadness,
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Speaker 1: I think on in God's heart and certainly should be
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Speaker 1: in ours as we watch this. I mean there is
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Speaker 1: some certainly some frustration or righteous indignation against the wilful
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Speaker 1: behavior and rebellion. But on the other hand, is you
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Speaker 1: think it saddens me for those that are confused, because yeah, exactly,
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Speaker 1: we love them, and and I think God is saddened
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Speaker 1: that that they've embraced the lie, They've embraced the deception.
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Speaker 1: Satan is the great deceiver. They've embraced the confusion, and
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Speaker 1: to me, it's like, oh, and well, the great thing
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Speaker 1: as well as when you think about the two kingdoms,
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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, you know Satan's kingdom. Yeah, he's worshiping,
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Speaker 1: but at the end he's a tyrant. And so God
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Speaker 1: is going to stop it because he knows that he
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Speaker 1: loves mankind. He created mankind in his image, and it's
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Speaker 1: not good for mankind to be sucked into that tyrannical
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Speaker 1: global government, even worshiping Satan, because he comes to steel,
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Speaker 1: kill and destroy.
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Speaker 2: And we see how that's going to happen in Second
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Speaker 2: Teston in chapter two, you know, the Grand delusion. We
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Speaker 2: see how easy that's going to be. We see just
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Speaker 2: from recent past history and issues and events of our
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Speaker 2: time that how easily people are pulled into these lies
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Speaker 2: and so forth, and so the grand delusion when it
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Speaker 2: takes place, a great delusion of Second Testone chapter two,
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Speaker 2: we can see where they're going to embrace the law
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Speaker 2: even more. And it's very sad, and only the only
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Speaker 2: answer to that is is prayer and witness.
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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, no doubt. And I think as Christians,
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Speaker 1: you know it's right to be holy. I mean, the
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Speaker 1: Bible tells it's be holy, for I am holy. But
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Speaker 1: on the other hand, sometimes all of us can become
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Speaker 1: smug and looking down and to be condescending on those
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Speaker 1: that are not believers, those that are willing participants, and
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Speaker 1: pray for vengeance. I mean, that's not my heart at all.
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Speaker 1: I think we do know that that these these behaviors Saden,
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Speaker 1: the Lord and God is not. God's not eager, he's
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Speaker 1: slow to anger, he's not quick to punish. He will
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Speaker 1: and he does. But God takes no pleasure in the
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Speaker 1: death of the wicked. Right, we have all these, I
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Speaker 1: think oftentimes we leave those out, as Christians in general,
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Speaker 1: out of the equation that, as you said, prayer and
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Speaker 1: compassion for the confusion and the lostness of many people.
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Speaker 1: And that's not just the the gender confusion and all that,
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Speaker 1: but just in general for those that have embraced the
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Speaker 1: lost lifestyle.
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Speaker 2: But you know the old saying, by the grace of God,
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Speaker 2: there go we, you know, but by the grace of God,
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Speaker 2: you know, and his forgiveness. So we certainly must must
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Speaker 2: follow God's will and witness to the saving power of Christ,
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Speaker 2: because that's only things going to change the world.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so true. And I think, you know, we
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Speaker 1: I'm including myself in here and in the sense of
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Speaker 1: we say, oh, you know, there there go aye, but
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Speaker 1: by the grace of God. But oftentimes we we we
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Speaker 1: forget or we say it, we don't really believe it,
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Speaker 1: you know.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes as well, I think the older I get, I do.
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Speaker 1: Believe, right, that's what I say. It was a time
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Speaker 1: I said it, but didn't really embraced it. Yeah, because
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Speaker 1: we have uh, as we get older, we have more
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Speaker 1: failures to go. Oh, Lord, I'm so sorry.
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Speaker 2: Why did I do know how what he has done
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Speaker 2: for us and what he does for us as his children.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, he he's taking my life and
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Speaker 2: he's just you know, he has focused me on certain things,
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Speaker 2: and he's had to be pretty draconian.
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Speaker 1: I would say, I'm glad, but he has.
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Speaker 2: And I thank him every morning for it. I do.
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Speaker 2: I thank him every morning, uh for having let me
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Speaker 2: go through what I went through so that he could
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Speaker 2: focus me on what he wants me to do.
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Speaker 1: Kingdom.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not being proud or brutal about that. I
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Speaker 2: sincerely mean it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that the exactly the Lord knows. I'm
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Speaker 1: thankful to for the the discipline and the and the
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Speaker 1: grinder that he's allowed us to go through at times.
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Speaker 1: And you know, as we think about to the end
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Speaker 1: of the age, here we have again you guys did
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Speaker 1: in the book the Theological Foundation, so you know right
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Speaker 1: now here we are twenty twenty three. You know, let's
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Speaker 1: say Terry, an unbeliever comes to you, maybe maybe a
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Speaker 1: skeptic and they come and say, oh, you know you're
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Speaker 1: you're a conspiracy guy. You say yeah, and you know
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Speaker 1: you believe in a new worlder. Give me some evidence.
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Speaker 1: What evidence is there terry for the new world order
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Speaker 1: right now? I mean, really, give me, point me to something.
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Speaker 2: The World in Economic Forum, the just all of these
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Speaker 2: organizations that are doing their dead level best to bring
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Speaker 2: America down, for example, trying to get America for example,
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Speaker 2: to UH to come, people of America to come into
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Speaker 2: into their way of what world doing, women, nationalism, sovereignty,
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Speaker 2: tear down the borders. They want all of this. It's
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Speaker 2: a dry much like Nimrod, you know, to make all
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Speaker 2: people come together. And of course they're coming together and
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Speaker 2: they don't realize that they're coming together for Satan's that's
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Speaker 2: what he wants. So there is evidence everywhere we look.
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Speaker 2: I could go through you know, individual world organization for example,
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Speaker 2: the who A h O at World Health Organization, others
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Speaker 2: who are just all they want to do is to
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Speaker 2: make everybody come into conformity with what they believe is
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Speaker 2: world saving, their world saving philosophies and ideologies. And of
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Speaker 2: course this is a this is Satan's way of doing things,
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Speaker 2: and so that's what I would tell him. I would
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Speaker 2: try to go by point per pointed to the point
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Speaker 2: they would listen. I haven't found many people that will
19:37
Speaker 2: sit down and listen to what you have to say.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, sadly. I mean when we think about historically, even
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Speaker 1: in the twentieth century, the crisis of the First World
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Speaker 1: War led to the League of Nations, the crisis of
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Speaker 1: the Second Loar led to the establishment of the United Nations,
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Speaker 1: and so as we as we continue to see from
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Speaker 1: really nineteen forty five on that what I see is
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Speaker 1: this is the first time really in modern his release
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Speaker 1: in my life, where there's been such There's always been
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Speaker 1: that global element, but now it's becoming way more personal
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Speaker 1: in seeing the sovereignty of nations erote it or removed
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Speaker 1: the latest thing with the who and and coming up
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Speaker 1: with whether it's digital passports, UH for for vaccines or
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Speaker 1: just digital passports in general ideas they the encouragement to
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Speaker 1: have worldwide global protocols for any sort of future pandemic
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Speaker 1: being force fed through and over all national governments.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is globalism. Is the medical for digital
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Speaker 2: currency mm hmm. All this thing that that that's setting
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Speaker 2: the stage for revelation thirteen versus Extreme through eighteen in
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Speaker 2: the Mark of the Beast, I believe is this drive
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Speaker 2: toward digital you know, actually in effect economic transfer, monetary
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Speaker 2: economic transfer of doing way with all you know, currency, billing,
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Speaker 2: current build and coins, and this is all part of
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Speaker 2: the new world order that you can point to, trying
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Speaker 2: to bring us all into one world arrangement.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and what you guys did in the book, I
21:15
Speaker 1: mean we talk about globalism. We're talking about globalism through politics,
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Speaker 1: through economics, what you just mentioned, you know, whether it's
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Speaker 1: the digital digital currency or just a maybe a one
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Speaker 1: world point of currency. And then we also have technology.
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Speaker 1: Technology has been integrated around the world on a global scale.
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Speaker 1: We have global religion or global ecumenical ideas and thinking
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Speaker 1: that anything goes except for Christianity. And then of course
21:46
Speaker 1: you have global censorship. To me through all of the
21:50
Speaker 1: mediums that you have that that's been tremendous. You've already
21:54
Speaker 1: seen in certain pockets China and others, but we're coming
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Speaker 1: to see in America of all places. But you know, Terry,
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Speaker 1: the book you guys have done here has been great,
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Speaker 1: and we're going to take a little break here and
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Speaker 1: when we come back, I'm going to switch spots here
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Speaker 1: with Gary because I know Gary wants to spend some
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Speaker 1: time talking with you as well. So just hang on
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Speaker 1: and we'll be right back.