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2026 Route 666! HALLOWEEN THROWBACKS: Dyatlov Pass Incident · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Happy Halloween, everyone! 2026, get your kicks on Route 666.
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  Speaker 2: Happy the fuck Halloween, guys. I hope you find these
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  Speaker 2: little Halloween throwbacks as entertaining and spooktacular as I do.
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  Speaker 2: They're sure to send a chill down your taint. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: you'll laugh till you faint. Anything is possible. This is
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  Speaker 2: my absolute favorite time of year. I take great pleasure
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  Speaker 2: in presenting these spooky cosmic peach classics. And again, I
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  Speaker 2: hope you enjoy each and every one of them. Now
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  Speaker 2: let's take a trip down Route 666.
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  Speaker 3: You unlock this door with the key of imagination beyond
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  Speaker 3: it is another dimension a dimension of sound a dimension
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  Speaker 3: of sight a dimension of mind You're moving into a
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  Speaker 3: land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas.
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  Speaker 3: You've just crossed over into the Twilight Zone.
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  Speaker 4: All right, everyone, you know where you are. You are
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  Speaker 4: listening to the Cosmic Peach podcast, the spooktacular continues with
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  Speaker 4: the Halloween edition to the Cosmic Peach podcast. And we
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  Speaker 4: are going to be talking about the doomed expedition. And
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  Speaker 4: who do we have on tonight? Well, we have on
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  Speaker 4: the new host of the Cleveland Schwill podcast, my very
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  Speaker 4: own cousin, Brian. How are you?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, what's up, Cosmic Peach listeners? And it's nice to
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  Speaker 1: be back.
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  Speaker 4: It's going down because I have my theories. You have
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  Speaker 4: your theories and the listeners have their own theories.
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  Speaker 1: Which I think we're going to ruffle some feathers.
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  Speaker 4: I do too.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm okay with that. Go ahead and just tell
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  Speaker 1: me how stupid I am in the comments. I don't care.
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  Speaker 4: No. So, all right. So what I'm going to do,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to just kind of break down the beginning.
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  Speaker 4: And then I'm going to let you jump in. So
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  Speaker 4: what I have is a group of nine mountaineers embark
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  Speaker 4: on a winter trek into Russia's, I think it's pronounced
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  Speaker 4: Earl Mountains. And their destination was a mountain called Mount Otorten.
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  Speaker 4: It is in Russia, obviously, and the locals call it. O'Torton,
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  Speaker 4: which is Mansi for do not go there. So in
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  Speaker 4: the group, there were three experienced engineers and the others
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  Speaker 4: were students. They were all young. The oldest of them
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  Speaker 4: was like 37. And get this, they had conducted other
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  Speaker 4: treks to this area. So this was not their first time.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, most of them are highly experienced.
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  Speaker 4: Right, right. And they were successful in their previous treks.
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  Speaker 4: But for reasons we will obviously be discussing, this particular
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  Speaker 4: trek on February 1st, 1959 ended up in the deaths
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  Speaker 4: of all nine hikers. Brian, your thoughts? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about how the bodies were found and
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  Speaker 1: why it is so appealing to people, especially because it's
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  Speaker 1: so confusing. So one of the things we were going
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  Speaker 1: to debate, but this is what I have written down,
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  Speaker 1: is the tents were found cut from the inside open
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  Speaker 1: with provisions and things left behind when they ran out.
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  Speaker 1: When some of the bodies were found, they had high
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  Speaker 1: levels of radiation. One was missing a tongue. One was
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  Speaker 1: missing eyes. Cuts. Some of the bodies were described as
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  Speaker 1: being found with such extreme trauma, like blunt force type trauma,
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  Speaker 1: that they knew a human being could not have done it.
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  Speaker 1: They were destroyed, these bodies. What I have, too, is
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  Speaker 1: there was remnants of a fire. Some of the people
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  Speaker 1: were wearing the other one's clothes. So, it was interesting though,
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  Speaker 1: because they were very good about documenting while they were going.
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  Speaker 1: They took a lot of pictures and they wrote their
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  Speaker 1: family's postcards. And that's part of the reason why a
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  Speaker 1: search party ended up coming out anyway, because the post
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  Speaker 1: postcards stopped coming. I do know that the day that
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  Speaker 1: they were, uh, ended up at that pass, which a
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  Speaker 1: Memorial now sits on and it's actually highly visited. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of people go there.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Um, There's like a memorial thing put up there.
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  Speaker 1: But the day that they were actually doing that trek,
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  Speaker 1: a horrible, this is completely documented, a horrible snowstorm came in,
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  Speaker 1: very high winds, extremely loud, and actually pushed them off course.
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  Speaker 1: And that's how they ended up over there. Because the
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  Speaker 1: course was not plotted through there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I have that they ended up at a place called,
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  Speaker 4: they set up camp atop an area called Kolat Siakl.
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  Speaker 4: which translates to the mountain of the dead.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I did not. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know anything about that. And who knows if it got
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  Speaker 1: that name after the incident. I do know that some
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  Speaker 1: of that stuff though, like local people knew you don't
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  Speaker 1: go there.
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  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, that's why it was called the do not
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  Speaker 4: go there mountain pretty much.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was, I do know that, you know, it is interesting.
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  Speaker 1: The tracks that they found, like leaving the tents, none
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  Speaker 1: of them were wearing boots or shoes. They're either in
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  Speaker 1: socks or barefoot. Yeah. One person's hand was found bitten. One,
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  Speaker 1: there was pieces of flesh found up in the trees.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this was all... If we're talking about.
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  Speaker 4: Actually, while we're on that, if we're talking about how
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  Speaker 4: they were found... So this is what I have for
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  Speaker 4: my notes that I wanted to make sure I read
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  Speaker 4: to you and got your thoughts. Because I have, something
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  Speaker 4: was obviously pushing them to run away without taking any
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  Speaker 4: clothing with them, no supplies, nothing. So it would appear
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  Speaker 4: to me that they were flighting and not fighting. So basically,
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  Speaker 4: they were found in what can be described as Various
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  Speaker 4: states of mutilation, like some of them were burned, some
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  Speaker 4: of them suffered radiation poisoning. One, like you said, the
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  Speaker 4: tongue was missing. And someone said they looked prematurely aged,
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  Speaker 4: that their skin was literally orange and their hair had
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  Speaker 4: turned gray.
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  Speaker 1: I've never heard that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that about that body. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if that's something that could also have to do with
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  Speaker 1: high levels of radiation. Right.
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  Speaker 4: Because one one of the theories was like maybe an
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  Speaker 4: animal got a hold of them. And then I saw
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  Speaker 4: someone try to debunk it and go the area where
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  Speaker 4: they were in was so inhospitable that there wouldn't have
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  Speaker 4: been animals to like start eating them.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't completely rule out animals. I mean, animals are
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  Speaker 1: very resilient. They're smart. They know what they need to
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  Speaker 1: be doing. And like they're not going to miss an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to to take advantage of anything. You know, they
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  Speaker 1: don't have the McDonald's up the street. So if they're
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  Speaker 1: around or something, they are. that they can eat and
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  Speaker 1: it's right there and not going to fight back, I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't rule that completely out. With the amount of time
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  Speaker 1: that passed between their deaths and then them being found,
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  Speaker 1: which we both have discrepancies on that we can get
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  Speaker 1: into later. And I don't want to reveal all my
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  Speaker 1: stuff till the end of what I actually think happened.
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  Speaker 1: I think we could talk about some of the other theories.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, let me actually give you my gist of things then.
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  Speaker 4: Let me get this part out of the way because
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  Speaker 4: I feel like what I have is what most of
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  Speaker 4: our listeners are going to be like, yeah, that's what happened.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Then you can do yours and we'll just debate each
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  Speaker 4: other then. Okay. So basically I have the animal thing
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  Speaker 4: couldn't have happened because, but obviously it's like you said,
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  Speaker 4: if they're out there for a couple of days, I
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  Speaker 4: have that they were found 10 days later and they
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  Speaker 4: were in these various states. of mutilation. And I also
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  Speaker 4: have that because the cold should have turned them into
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  Speaker 4: popsicles and preserved their bodies... why were they found like this?
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  Speaker 4: Like I would think, and, and, and it's like, they're
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  Speaker 4: so hospitable. Let's just say there's no animals. The cold
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  Speaker 4: should have preserved the bodies. So you can't blame the
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  Speaker 4: cold or the animals. And I don't know if there
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  Speaker 4: was any radioactive animals that could do this fighter that
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  Speaker 4: bit Peter Parker was out there, but that's probably not
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  Speaker 4: the case.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Let's just rule that off. And, Basically, it doesn't stop
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  Speaker 4: there with like the orange coloration, the hair turning gray,
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  Speaker 4: because three of them had injuries consistent with being hit
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  Speaker 4: by a speeding car, but it was all internal. Like
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  Speaker 4: their ribs were crushed like eggshells. Some of them actually
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  Speaker 4: had shards of their ribs enter into their hearts, but
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  Speaker 4: no injuries. effect on the skin it was all internal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah right that's true i got the exact same.
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  Speaker 4: Thing yeah and this has been compared to a direct
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  Speaker 4: energy weapon to crush the inside and leave the outside
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  Speaker 4: pristine and you're.
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  Speaker 1: Thinking like government type stuff there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah i'm thinking like direct energy weapon because basically the
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  Speaker 4: snow the trees everything else in the air was completely
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  Speaker 4: untouched But we have like three people with crush syndrome,
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  Speaker 4: a lady with gray hair, no eyes, no tongue, all
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  Speaker 4: this weird stuff, orange skin. And basically the official explanation
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  Speaker 4: was that the nine died of hypothermia. But the chief
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  Speaker 4: investigator never believed that was the cause of death and
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  Speaker 4: refused to sign off on the report. And instead, he
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  Speaker 4: completely resigned.
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  Speaker 1: From the inquiry. And their actual government explanation, which this
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  Speaker 1: is what leads to conspiracy theories, let's face it, was
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  Speaker 1: basically extremely vague. There was not really any leaked information, period.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they basically left it up to interpretation. And
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  Speaker 1: when you do that, people are going to fill in
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  Speaker 1: the blanks.
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  Speaker 4: Abso-fucking-lutely.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever they want, they're going to fill a blank. They're
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  Speaker 1: going to fill the blank. That's where you get these. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we can get into some of the other theories in
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  Speaker 1: a minute, but when you're ready, I can talk to
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  Speaker 1: you about them. They're kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 4: Let me just sum up the end, and then we
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  Speaker 4: can get to Brian's interpretation. So basically, I have the
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  Speaker 4: local authorities try to cover the whole thing up. It
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  Speaker 4: was practically forbidden to mention it. And at the end,
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  Speaker 4: their bodies were buried in zinc coffins and they were
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  Speaker 4: closed coffins so no one could see them i looked
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  Speaker 4: into the whole zinc coffins thing and most websites basically
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  Speaker 4: then information that i found said they use zinc cough
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  Speaker 4: when they need like a really good seal on the
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  Speaker 4: coffin which just kind of gave me the creeps like
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  Speaker 4: what were they trying to seal in there like something
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  Speaker 4: coming off the corpses like what is it so there
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  Speaker 4: was enough of an investigation and enough people had seen
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  Speaker 4: the corpses to conclude that they were not being told
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  Speaker 4: the truth. For example, why were some of them with
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  Speaker 4: their skin completely orange, the crush syndrome thing? It was weird. Oh,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people say to this day, it's an
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  Speaker 4: unsolved murder. And just to top it off years later,
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  Speaker 4: after the event took place, members of the search party
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  Speaker 4: spoke out. And according to their testimony, At the time
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  Speaker 4: of the incident, strange orange spheres or orbs were seen
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  Speaker 4: floating in the sky the night of the hiker's death,
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  Speaker 4: and even more locals from the area confirmed the sighting.
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  Speaker 1: They were other people hiking, and that did happen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and the Mansi people, like the local people that
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  Speaker 4: live over there, they were like, yeah. And basically, fiery
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  Speaker 4: spheres have been ever-present in Russia, especially in the more
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  Speaker 4: desolate areas. And locals know they exist, and it's basically
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  Speaker 4: just become a normal part of life for them. And
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  Speaker 4: to answer your question from earlier, according to an ancient
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  Speaker 4: Mansi legend, the Mountain of the Dead, where our nine
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  Speaker 4: hikers were mutilated, received its name from after a similar
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  Speaker 4: incident took place in which nine Mansi men were also
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  Speaker 4: found dead while seeking salvation from a flood.
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  Speaker 1: I know that there was a river or stream real,
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  Speaker 1: real close to there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So I guess that was like back in like ancient times. So,
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  Speaker 4: and that's where the legend came from. But my question
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  Speaker 4: to you, Is what would have compelled nine experienced mountaineers
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  Speaker 4: to flee their camp in their skivvies and bare feet
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  Speaker 4: and run for their literal lives? And what in the
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  Speaker 4: world could explain the type of damage they sustained?
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  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. Okay. Let me go into a couple of
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  Speaker 1: the other, uh, more conspiracy type theories because there are
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  Speaker 1: some here that some people are going to want to
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  Speaker 1: hear mentioned, I think. Okay, one, there is actually a
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  Speaker 1: photo that you can look up that was taken and
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  Speaker 1: it was, we know, we can confirm it's a real photo.
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  Speaker 1: They know it's not doctored, it's real. If you'd look
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  Speaker 1: it up, I'd say like Dyatlov Pass Yeti or whatever
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  Speaker 1: and it's taken there now. So this Yeti It's one
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  Speaker 1: of those photos where it's more of like an outline
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  Speaker 1: of something in the background and you're going to make
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  Speaker 1: your own interpretation of it. I think the problem with
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  Speaker 1: this theory of the picture and them thinking that it
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  Speaker 1: could be a Yeti there is.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, you see some of the bodies are mutilated, but
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  Speaker 1: the other ones that had like severe trauma, there's nothing
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  Speaker 1: done to the skin.
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  Speaker 4: Nothing on the skin.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing on the skin. If a Bigfoot is whooping your ass...
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  Speaker 1: you're going to have something on the skin right now. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to have something. So I don't really like
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  Speaker 1: that theory, but the picture is there and it kind
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  Speaker 1: of sparked, you know, those who want to believe that
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  Speaker 1: a Yeti is up there kicking people's butts and they
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  Speaker 1: see that picture. I mean, that's going to be some
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  Speaker 1: evidence for that, but I just don't think like Yetis
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  Speaker 1: don't have anything to do with radiation. Yetis don't have
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  Speaker 1: anything to do with radiation. You know, cutting your tent
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  Speaker 1: from the inside and not like.
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  Speaker 4: It would have to be in there with them.
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  Speaker 1: They'd be ripping the tent open to get to the people. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So there's another theory, and you talk about the government.
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  Speaker 1: Believe it or not, I think four of the hikers,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know their... They all went to this
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  Speaker 1: school called UPI, and four of them had major KGB connections,
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  Speaker 1: for real. Like, this is 100% true, documented. These are
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  Speaker 1: really smart young people. who had connections to the government.
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  Speaker 1: There are people out there who 100% believe that the
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  Speaker 1: government could have been involved to try to cover up
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  Speaker 1: some things. But again, that's a lot of speculation without
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  Speaker 1: a lot of evidence. And I get that when we
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  Speaker 1: do these things, we have to speculate. Even my story
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  Speaker 1: is going to be some speculation that it happened this way,
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  Speaker 1: that way. I mean, I can't confirm these things. I
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  Speaker 1: can't prove it. You just have to basically believe it.
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  Speaker 1: But there are a lot of connections to the KGB
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  Speaker 1: with this, this hiking group. And they were a very
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  Speaker 1: smart group of people. A lot of engineers and some
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  Speaker 1: of them had military experience. As a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 1: I think the last person to join the expedition was
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  Speaker 1: 100% of KGB member. And like that really got those
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  Speaker 1: type of rumors flowing. Okay. Then when you talked about
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  Speaker 1: the craft, they did well people that are meteorologists say
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  Speaker 1: everything that that fits with ball lightning and that there
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  Speaker 1: is a lot of ball lightning in that area ground
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  Speaker 1: lightning ball lightning and that can look like giant orbs
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  Speaker 1: light orbs in the sky and that one of the
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  Speaker 1: theories actually about that is they said when that ball
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  Speaker 1: lightning would happen they thought that the group saw this
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  Speaker 1: and was like we've got to document this and they
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  Speaker 1: cut their tents open and went out there to try
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  Speaker 1: to like get photographs of it and uh but see
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  Speaker 1: to me because the other campers nearby did see these
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  Speaker 1: lights in the sky all that's confirmed that that stuff
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  Speaker 1: was going on that night this storm but the thing
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  Speaker 1: to me that bothers me about that is like if
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  Speaker 1: you're going to you're not cutting your tent open to
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  Speaker 1: take the camera out You're not running down the damn
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  Speaker 1: thing barefoot and negative 30 degrees, which it was negative
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  Speaker 1: 30 degrees. Yeah, no way to go to go take.
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  Speaker 1: some pictures of some stupid ass ball lightning with your
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  Speaker 1: camera that's not even a megapixel it can't you know
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  Speaker 1: it's going to take 16 years to to to develop
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  Speaker 1: it yeah So I was like, this is crap. But
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  Speaker 1: that is another one of the theories. It's just a
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  Speaker 1: hard one for me to swallow.
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  Speaker 4: Because like you said, these aren't very intelligent people. This
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  Speaker 4: isn't Joe Schmoe out there hiking.
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  Speaker 1: I know. I know.
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  Speaker 4: They're not cutting tents open.
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  Speaker 1: They've got a lot of experience. They're not going to
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  Speaker 1: destroy their tent over some pictures of ball lightning.
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  Speaker 4: Talk to the no.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, another interesting one, and I had heard this
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  Speaker 1: one in the past, is there's a thing called infrasound,
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  Speaker 1: which is sound that we can't really hear with our ears.
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  Speaker 1: But there is a belief that wind, and we know
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  Speaker 1: that there was a lot of strong wind, can cause
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  Speaker 1: this infrasound. And what it does is there is a belief.
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  Speaker 1: that it can cause people to do like basically lose
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  Speaker 1: their minds.
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  Speaker 4: Hallucinate.
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  Speaker 1: Not just hallucinate, like literally start doing things that just
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  Speaker 1: most people would never do think to do. It's, it
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  Speaker 1: literally drives them crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: But that sounds like direct energy weapon to me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it can sound like whatever. I don't know. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I just know that it's, that's what, They're saying, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's ever even been proven, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like that this stuff drives people crazy or does any
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  Speaker 1: of this stuff. But they say it causes irrational fear
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  Speaker 1: and would cause people to behave that way. Run into
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  Speaker 1: the thing, bite yourself, cut flesh off, eat your friend
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  Speaker 1: and put their clothes on and die of hypothermia.
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  Speaker 5: How do you explain the radiation and the crash syndrome?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, who cares? Who cares about that stuff that doesn't
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: fit the narrative? Just throw that out. Listen to what
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I have to say. So I don't know. I don't buy.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: That's why I don't buy. But these are very popular theories.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: A lot of people hold about this. The sound theory
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: and all that. So the last one I have is
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: actually what I think happened. So if you want to
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: cover anything before this, let me know. And I will
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: wait to bring it up, but.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: Brian, it better cover all the points, radiation crush, cutting
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: their tent from the inside, missing tongue. It better cover
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: all of it or else we have to agree. This
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: was a direct energy weapon. Brian, go ahead.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Well, the ultimatum has been put forward. Okay. So, There
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: was a scientist who had this epiphany one day watching
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: a Disney movie, Frozen. And what he saw in Frozen
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: was a simple background scene where you see what is
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: known as a specific type of avalanche. It's called the
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: delay slab avalanche. And delay slab avalanches are not very big.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: They're not like you envisioning in the movies or you
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: see off the side of a mountain where just the snow,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: it's blatantly obvious. This is an avalanche. It's covering everything.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: You're going to be buried in 25 feet of snow.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: A delayed slab avalanche happens similar to like when you would,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: you have to have a degree of angle of about
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: above 20 degrees. And we know that the mountainside that
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: they were next to was 23 degrees above So what
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: happens is as the snow builds up, and we know
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: a major snowstorm was occurring at that time because that's
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: what took them off course. Howling winds, ball lightning confirmed
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: to some people or UFOs to others. So there's a
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: major storm going on. As that snow built up, that
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: other snow that was already packed was kind of like
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: a shelf already, almost like a book. And let's say
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: you had two books like you used to have in school,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: math and history. They're all glossy and they're sitting on
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: top of each other. You pick that one book on
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: the bottom and you start lifting it up. And once
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: you get that book to about 23 degrees, you'll notice
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: the other one slides right off. And what they're thinking
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: happened is that snow as it built up slid off
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: the other snow and covered the tents of the hikers
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: in about three to four feet of snow, which would
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: be which actually would have some weight to it and
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: be pretty scary. Now, here's something that a lot of
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: people don't know, and this is actually confirmed. And this
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: is left out of a lot of stories because it
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: starts to make things make more sense. So why would
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: these experienced hikers cut themselves out and leave the provisions
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: and things behind in the tent? I'll tell you why.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Because they had more provisions and more things stored in
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: the woods. So they were looking at everything as a
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: lost cause in the tent as it was covered. Cut
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: themselves out. They went to go get the stuff in
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: the woods. They started running to get that stuff in
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: the woods. They were barefoot and barely or in socks.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing that is kind of interesting about this here.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: So you had a small group that went to try
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: to go make a fire, like the whole group there,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: trying to go make the fire. Well, the stuff on
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the ground isn't going to burn. It's really wet. They're
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: climbing trees to go get the dry stuff, cutting it down,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: picking it up, bringing it to try to burn it.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: But it's 30 fucking below. Two people already die of
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: hypothermia right fucking there. They're going to die. The guy
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: who burned himself was so fucking cold, he was putting
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: himself into the fire to try to warm up. That's
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: why his body burned up. You get to a point
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: where you're so cold and you can't feel anything anymore.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: And people start to, like there's a test that some
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: people do. They go, why was his hand bit? He
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: bit his hand. Can I even feel my hand anymore?
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I'm going to test. And he bit it. They put
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: themselves in the fire because they're so fucking cold. They
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: can't handle it anymore. You know, it's really hard to
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: envision negative 30 degrees. Like when you think about it,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: like that's really cold. That's I'm going to spit and
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: it's going to freeze before it touches the ground. I
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: have like nothing on. So how did they get the
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: other people's clothes on? Well, guess what? Two of them
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: died and they're freezing. They don't have the other provisions yet.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: They stole the clothes off the dead people's bodies to
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: try to stay warm. That's why they were wearing each
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: other's clothes because they were freaking cold. So they cut
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: that off and they scavenge it trying to stay warm.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: But three more rush off during this time to try
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: to like, there was an idea that they could make
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: a snow shelter. That was the next thought that these
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: experienced hikers would have is like, we're doomed. Our tents
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: are covered. trying to make a fire it's not working
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: we've got to make some sort of snow shelter to
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: to get ourselves back and warm and so that the
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: remaining ones that were that had actually tried to stay
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: alive and they're wearing the other clothes they go to
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: build a snow shelter but what happens is while they're
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: there they don't realize there's this stream above and it
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: had 15 feet worth of snow Like in this stream
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: as it's cutting it, they built this snow shelter. So
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: they're already under a bunch of snow. This stream's cutting
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: away at all this other snow that's by them. And
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: that stream dumped 15 to 20 feet worth of snow
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: at 20 pounds per cubic feet. Basically 50 tons, 50
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: tons worth of snow landed on them. crushing them why
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: nothing was done to the skin and it looked like
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: a tank ran them over flattening them taking their their
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: their bones and sticking it through organs but doing nothing
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: to the skin so everybody goes well why the fuck
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: did uh nobody realized this when they showed up because
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: 10 and 30 days later because these bodies that were
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: in the snow shelter were found later that i think
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: you said all were found in 10 days i think
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: some were found in 10 days And others were found
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: 20 days after that. And that was the people in
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: the snow shelter that were buried under 20 feet worth
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: of snow. And they were the crushed ones. Now, where
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: does the radiation come from? We talked about the severe injuries.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: What about missing eyes? What about the tongue? Well, the
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: ones that were by the fire that were exposed when
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: they were found, flesh in the tree, Tongue missing, eyes missing.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: they do believe their theory is that animals got to those.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: So that can be debated. The radiation, what nobody talks
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: about is that the lanterns they use gave off a
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: lot of radiation. And if those lanterns were by those bodies...
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: It would end up, especially for extended periods of time,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: cause that radiation poisoning. And the levels of radiation. The
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: lanterns that they used were radioactive lanterns back then. It
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: gave off radiation. That is a fact. So we have
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: animals eating eyes and tongues, radiation coming from the lanterns, 100,000
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: pounds landing on top. of these people in the snow shelter.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: All causing varying degrees of craziness across three different areas,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: which I think is fascinating within itself and genius that
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: people thought of this. Give me your thoughts after I've
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: dropped the bombshell.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Okay, Brian coming in with the heat.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Or the cold. I'm coming with the cold. I'm coming
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: with the snow. I'm coming with the snow on this one.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: You brought the blizzard.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I brought the howling winds.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: All right. Just call you Elsa. Okay.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Let's see. How would you.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: Explain the girl with gray hair?
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: That was the one thing, you know, I'm wondering if
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: that could be a combination. And this is me pulling
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: this straight from my ass. If, what is it? What
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: if it's a combination of, you know, what would happen
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: to you if you're basically freeze dried and radiate and
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: head radiation the same time?
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: What about the orange skin?
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. See, I don't know. Maybe that stuff is with, uh,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: that I didn't find in the explanation. I didn't even
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: know about that. So I don't, I don't know.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Because one of the pictures I saw, one of the
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: girls looked like a skeleton.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, you saw pictures?
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. Like, she looked like a skeleton when they found her. Like, literally.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: I wonder if I can find the picture. I mean,
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know how you... The one with the gray
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: hair looked like a skeleton. It looked like something from, like,
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: Poltergeist or something. Like Beetlejuice, like a skeleton lady with
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: gray hair.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Just nice and nasty and large buncha and everything else. Okay. Yeah,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I don't know. If that's,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, are we sure that's a picture from that?
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: Let me see if I, it was, I saw it
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: on a documentary. Okay.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: And I'm trying to Google it right now and see
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: if I can find.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think all in all, this is an
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: extremely interesting story. Whether you subscribe to my idea or
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: any of the other theories, I was fascinated. I remember
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: hearing this for the first time, like 10 years ago.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: And to me, it was always one of the most
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: fascinating things. Incidents out there. Because it's just so cryptic.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: And leaves a lot to the imagination. And it leaves
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: a lot to. You know. People.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: When you first heard this story. Did you think it
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: was something paranormal?
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: But that was my. That was my thought process. At
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: that time. But I always like to say. You know,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I personally don't like to get married to ideas regardless.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I do like to say when evidence presents itself.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: I found it.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Okay. You found this picture or you found the documentary? Jesus.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: See, that's what I'm talking about, Brian.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Are we sure? What the hell is that? Oh, hang on. Oh,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: my God. You should put that picture up on Instagram.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: I will. Because that's what I'm talking about. It's like
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: some of this stuff, it could be a hybrid of
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: what you're talking about and what I'm talking about. Because like,
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: let's say there was no slab avalanche. Let's just roll
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: that out right now. Because I don't even think with
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: them being as experienced as they were, that they had
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: never seen a slab avalanche before. That they would have
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: to slice themselves in their skivvies and run out of
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: their tents. They couldn't just unzip the fucker and just
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: formulate a plan before they got out of their tent. Like,
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: hey guys, we've encountered a slab avalanche. Let's get our
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: thoughts together.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: They didn't know what they had to have happen to them.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: They just know that they were just covered in snow.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Even still, I.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: Feel like with their experience, they'd be like, alright, we're
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: in a crisis situation. Let's pull ranks so we all
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: survive this shit and formulate a plan so we don't
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: all freeze to death. Not just take knives and start
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: slicing out of their tents. What if they saw... Okay.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: Go ahead. So if we're gonna go government-issued direct energy weapon,
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: they saw the things in the sky and knew what
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: the fuck they were because of their involvement in the government.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: And they're like, they're about to fucking take us all out.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Let's get the fuck out of here. Slice and dice.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: They're out of the tent. They're running down. And then
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: what you said happens. Some of them make it to
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: the forest. Some of them don't. Some of them get
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: blasted by the direct energy weapon. A couple of them
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: are left behind. They didn't get blasted, but now they're
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: dying of hypothermia. Animals come along later, clean up some
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: of the mess. But one girl definitely got blasted. Her
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: hair turns gray. Skin melts off. She's a skeleton. A
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: couple of the other ones, snow falls on them. They
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: get crushed. A couple other ones, they just die of hypothermia.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: Animals come along, eat the flesh, pick the eyes, get
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: the tongue. So we have various degrees of them trying
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: to escape the direct energy weapon.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Am I supposed to be trying to prove this wrong?
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: No, I mean, what do you think about that? Do
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: you think it's possible? Do I have a case?
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Well, I think you have a case. To me, what
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: I would want to see is, one, what this weapon
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: would be. Two, that it exists. Or that we know
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: of something like that that exists in another incident that
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: is documented somewhere. That's the kind of stuff that would
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: help prove that case to me.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: So a direct energy weapon would be like... Some people
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: think that what happened to the Georgia Guidestones was a
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: direct energy weapon.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know that story.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: So basically, the Georgia Guidestones were like put in place...
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: It was like a Stonehenge monument.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: And it was like one of our national monuments that.
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: You could go to.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Was that in the United States? In Georgia? Yes. Georgia.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. And they got knocked over and cracked. And it's
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: like the Stonehenge thing, like something massive would have had
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: to have happened to break these stones or move these
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: stones or anything happen to the stones. And a lot
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: of people were saying like direct energy weapon, like something
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: that could just massively. So it would be like, you
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: don't even see anything or feet. It's like you said,
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: like a massive blast and it just blasts you. And
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: it just, it just like radiates you. So that's my theory. Okay.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is, I can't prove something didn't happen.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, I can't prove that,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: so I don't try to do it. I never try
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: to prove a negative. So I'm not going to argue
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: with somebody else's theory if that's what they want to
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: subscribe to. I wrote this down because it made the
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: most sense to me.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: I think it makes the most sense except for the
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: girl with the gray hair and the skeleton face.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't even know about it.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Have you ever heard of hypothermia or being left out
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: in the cold that long that your skin just melts
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: off your face? Have you ever heard anything like that?
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: I'm asking seriously because.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: So I'm laughing because you're like, where the skin melts
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: off your face. Well, no, I have not seen anybody
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: get so damn cold. Like, hey, I'm freezing over here. Oh,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I can tell your face is melting. Your face is... Yeah,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: your jaw is on the ground. Yeah, I can tell
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: you're cold.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: So... I have to say though, I think your idea
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: of like the three separate things going on makes more
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: sense than them just getting blasted at once.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and dying at different times.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: Dying at different times because it is proven that That
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: some of them had the other ones clothes on.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: So they had to have time to do that.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And you heard my part of that explanation. What
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I thought that was. Where you had some of them dying.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: And they're freezing. So they're grabbing. They're cutting the clothes off.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: They're cutting the clothes off to put them on themselves.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: And see what I'm thinking too is.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: You can't. Negative 30 is no joke.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: But Brian you think about that. You think about that.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: Your feet are bare. You're losing your feet first.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: You're losing feeling in everything.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: You're not feeling anything. You can't walk. You can't keep
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: your blood circulating because your feet are fucked. They're gone.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: The body, to conserve heat, pulls the blood from the extremities.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: To the organs. Trying to keep you alive. So, I mean,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: you're there, you are screwed at that point.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: Do you think those lamps put off enough radiation to
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: like cause them?
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: You know, and that's a good, that's a good question too.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: I did think about that where I'm like, I do
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: know that those lamps are radioactive and that is left
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: out a lot of times, you know, I think it
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: does need to be brought up. But the level of radiation,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, like. I feel like people
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: that were using those lamps during that time were people
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: getting sick and not knowing why, because they didn't know
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: that radiation was that bad for you.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: But I'm talking about like in one night, could it
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: have caused the amount of radiation that these people had,
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: like to the point where they had to be buried
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: in zinc coffins?
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Well, and you know, the thing is, I don't know
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: if the zinc coffin for sealing purposes was like normally to,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: to shield radiation, you put lead, you know, which is
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: really heavy and you, you put lead around to, to
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: seal radiation. I don't know if zinc works or not.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I know you said that you had read that zinc
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: is used to seal, but you know, you think about
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: the state of those bodies, like even no matter how they,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: they were, if animals got ahold of them, plus they
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: were frozen, plus they were crushed, plus they bit themselves.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: And I mean, I'm sure that nobody wanted to see
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: those bodies, like open coffin type situation. So I don't
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: know if that's why that was done that way. I
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: can definitely see, you know, and if they didn't, if
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: they couldn't figure out at that time, how these bodies
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: got crushed, how these things, you know, governments, especially communist
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: ones have egos just like anybody else. Nobody wants to
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: go to a microphone and pretend like we don't know
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: what happened. We don't. So I can totally see the
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: one doctor being like, they didn't just die of hypothermia.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Let's get real here. This guy's fricking rib cage bone
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: is stuck through his heart.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: That's not hypothermia. This person's missing a tongue and eyes.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: I don't think the hypothermia did it. You know what
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I mean? Like that, he's blatantly like, you guys, you
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: can't just say hypothermia. All right. Which is like what
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: they're trying to get away with. So that's good. And
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: these families are not going to just live with no excuse.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Come on. It's hard enough to get closure when you
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: do know what's happened. And it's hard to come to
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: grips for people when you do know what's happened to
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: your loved one. Imagine hearing the government say, well, we've
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: done a 72 day investigation and it was hypothermia. But, uh,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: And you're like, motherfucker, bullshit.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, instantly, you're jumping to every conclusion. That's just
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: human nature. That's what you're going to do. You're going
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: to be like, oh, no, I know what's up. The
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: government did this. The government's involved. I know that they
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: had KGB backgrounds. And I mean, I can tell. I mean,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: that's legit documented. So when you see people go to that,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: level and the governments are so secretive, especially like a
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: KGB and the Russians, and they don't feel like they
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: have to give you answers on anything. Those families were
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: probably like a big majority of one spreading type, those
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: types of rumors trying to come up with their own closure.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: But can we both agree? It wasn't no type of
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: a Yeti.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going with the Yeti, but I wanted
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: to bring it up because if you do look it up,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: And some of the people there... And some people may
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: believe it was Yeti. But if you look up this incident,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: you can actually find a picture. Maybe you could even...
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: You could probably find it when you Google and put
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: it on the Instagram. You'll see it. And it's like
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: one of those pictures where you're like... Somebody could have said,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: you know, a troll was living in the area. Or
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: somebody could have said, like, a gnome that baked cookies
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: was living in the area. And somebody... Somebody would be like,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: that is the gnome that makes the cookies. And it's
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: just this shadow outline, you know, so you can make
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: it whatever you want, but it does look suspect. I'm
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: not going to lie. It's like back in the woods.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: And it's just this little shadow that looks like it's
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: got two arms and legs looking at you. But I mean,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: it's not like some up close ape where you're.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: Like, Oh yeah.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Oh no, that's a gay for sure. Yep. There it is.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: You know, not definitive.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's not definitive.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: What I want to do, because I think a lot
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: of the problem is when people talk about scenarios like this,
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: it's all hypothetical. So they're thinking like, well, it could
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: have possibly, and then they like say this whole big story,
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: but I always think of it as if I'm the hiker.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: What would I do if a slab avalanche came down?
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if I want to know what
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: you do. All right. What would you do? What would
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: you do?
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: In my underwear.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: It's negative 30 out. You're like, I'm still sleeping in
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: my goddamn underwear. Leave me alone.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: I'm staying in my sleeping bag.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: But if all that snow was on top of the tent,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: it might be like pushing down on you. It could
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: have been scary. That might have been why.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: How would they cut then to let the snow in?
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Because they're trying to get out. They don't know.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: Why would they cut the top of the tent off
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: and then go up like that?
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Because they're scared.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: But we don't even know.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: They're cutting it open. It's like. It's like the snow's
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: giving birth to them. They put their arms up, they
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: push it out the way, and they get out into
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: exactly where they want to be. 60 mile per hour,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: howling winds, negative 30 degree temperatures, and they're wearing a t-shirt.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: I'm just going to ask you straight up. You said
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: because the slab avalanche is not as big as the
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: ones that we picture in like movies.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So they're thinking only a couple feet of snow
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: would have gone over the whole thing. But my whole
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: argument to that was they, you know, if you're in
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: the tent, you don't know how much snow is up there.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: You don't know shit. You're just like, holy crap. Like
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: a whole ton of snow just covered me.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: But is your first thought to cut the side of
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: the tent or is your first thought to maybe unzip
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: the top of the tent where it's unzippered and then
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: maybe poke your head out and be like, let's see
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: how deep the snow is before I start cutting my
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: only place to live.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: You know, the thing is, I honestly don't know. I mean,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: to me, that is very confusing. Like, I don't know
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: what it was like in the tent, if the tent
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: was able to hold up any of that weight or
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: if when that snow came on top of it. It
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: actually pushed the tent down on top of them, so
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: they had no direction. They didn't know where they were.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? The poles were not strong
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: enough to hold that up, so that tent just basically
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: came down on top of them like a sheet. Now,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're kind of in panic mode.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: You've got pressure on top of you, and you know
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: that there's weight there, and you can't really see left, right, side, north, center,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: so you don't know what to get.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: All right, Brian, let's get back.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: You cut it open there. And you just go straight
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: up because you're not grabbing anything because you don't know
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: where anything is.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: Okay, but let's debate. Let's debate right now. Let's take
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: a look at the situation.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: The tent was found complete. The structure was completely intact,
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: standing up. And the only damage to the tent was
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: from the knife tears from inside.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's a good point. No, that's a good point.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: You're looking at the evidence. I'm not going to fuck
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: with that. That's a good, that's a great point. That's
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: a great point. So I was trying to think outside
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: the box on that.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: Like if they were buried alive almost in their tent
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: yeah yeah.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: So it's laying on top of you're like i gotta
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: get the hell out of here but it was it
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: wasn't and that's so that's a great point so if
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: you had time to look left right center look at
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: your buddies it could be like let's devise a point
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: grab some enough stuff Get us to where the other
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: provisions and the other things are at, but let's make
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: sure we're warm enough. Cause where we're at now, we
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: don't know how much snow is on top of this.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: If more is going to come, if whatever, obviously you
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: can't unzip the tent where the normal spot is. Cause
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: there's more snow there. You might be in too deep.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: I could see then you cut it open. I don't
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: understand the logic behind not putting your boots on. I
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: don't understand the logic, especially with the snow. Um, And
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: how cold it was. I don't understand that.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: I don't understand it either.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Unless they were in pure 100% unadulterated panic mode.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: And what could cause that? Two very experienced hikers. What
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: could cause fight or flight? And obviously they were fighting
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: and not fighting.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: If you're going to say government weapon, I can't confirm that. Okay, okay.
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: Listen to this shit, Brian.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Okay. All right.
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: Alien popped up in the tent with him.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: God damn it.
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: I'm thinking if it was me, I'm cutting myself out
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: of the tent and I'm running.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you this.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: An alien.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Some fucking bitch-ass alien pops up in my fucking tent.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: I'm cutting out that bitch, too. I don't care. I'm
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: going to take my chances. Because you know those motherfuckers
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: are going to do some crazy-ass shit to you.
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: Fast probe.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Worse than that. Brian, Brian, Brian.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: All jokes aside. You wake up in the middle of
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: the night and you're in the fucking Arctic. You're in
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: your sleeping bag. You look up. And E.T. is standing
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: right there.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: What are you going to do? You're going to go
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: in fight or flight mode. You're going to jump like
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: slides out of your tent. Maybe they grab the knife
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: to defend themselves.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: I'm going to one-up you. I'm going to one-up you.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: One-up me.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Why are these aliens? First of all, they're like, Looking down,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: they're like, hey, look there. Horrible snowstorm. 100 mile per
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: hour winds. Hey, hey, Billy, go take your big-ass head
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: and your big-ass eyes and your naked body and head
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: on down into that tent.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: What?
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure. Hawaii's a five-second flight away. But let's fuck
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: with these 23-year-old Russian kids for a minute. Come on. Quick.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Get down there. Get the anal probes ready. Come on.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: You know those aliens ain't doing that shit. Let's ask
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: the real questions. If you're an alien and you're going
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: to go get some cows and do all that other
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: stuff on some farmland, you are not going to know
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Dyatlov Pass. Okay, but that's the thing.
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: This mountain is known for UFO activity. It could have
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: just been their nightly routine to pass by. And then
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: they were like, you know what? I know we're doing
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: our nightly rounds. We're about to head over to Dyatlov Pass,
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: but I'm starting to feel a little hungry. Damn, look,
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: there is a tent full of people. Let's enjoy ourselves
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: a little scare. But no, Brian, this area is known
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: for UFO activity. That's why the people... The locals and
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: the people who went on the search party to find
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: the bodies both said, yes, there were orbs in the sky. Yes,
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: they were orange and glowing.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I know that's confirmed. I know.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And then like the local people are like, oh,
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: it's just a normal, regular occurrence for us. We see
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: fiery spheres in the sky all the time. The thunderstorm
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: doesn't have nothing to do with it. It could be
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: a completely clear night.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Ground lightning, ball lightning. I think that's what that is.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: Even if there's no storm.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: So you're going, you're a hundred percent that this couldn't
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: have been it. And because the only thing that could
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: make me forget all basic human instinct is an alien
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: showing up in my tent.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: I get it, but you know, they, what do.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: You describe the avalanche? was like that scene in Mulan
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: where she takes the thing and she shoots that side
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: of the mountain and it just buries everybody. And she's
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: like pulling people up from the snow by their hair.
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: And it's just like little heads popping up out of
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: the snow. That's what I was imagining. But looking at
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: the picture of the tent, it was completely unscathed other
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: than the fact that it had been torn from the inside.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not a lot of snow on that.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: But would that.
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: Make them panic like that? That little bit of snow?
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: Are you afraid to panic?
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they knew how much snow it was.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: And they might have thought, if this amount hit us,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: more is on the way. We've got to move.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: To the point where they'd cut themselves out of the
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: tent with no shoes on. Brian, think about if it
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: were you.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: You're yelling at me about that. I think it's all crazy. Okay.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it's not crazy, but we are
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: also looking at this from hindsight 2020. Like we know
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: they died. We know they fucked up. We know that
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: they didn't make it. And now we're going to say, well,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: we know that didn't work. But in the moment, you know,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: they were swinging for the fences, I guess. They were
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: trying to hit the home run ball. Maybe they should
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: have bought.
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: Brian, if you looked around you right now, sitting in
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: your kitchen and you saw an alien. Are you going
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: to run out of the house or are you going
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: to be like, let me get my shoes? Let me know.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: You're not. You're going to be fighting, not fighting unless
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: you want to fight an alien, which I don't recommend.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: You are going to freak the fuck out. These were
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: experienced hikers. They had been to the area several other times.
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: They would have experienced controversy and known basic survival instincts.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Well, they did do everything that they did do is
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: kind of by the books. And that was the joke
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: when they built that snow shelter, that was 100% by
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: the books. And it's funny if they would have done
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: the wrong thing, they probably would have lived.
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: They would not have built in this.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But that was like by the book, the what,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: what you should do in that situation. And then.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: Okay. Now you're, you're fucking me up because if I
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: see an alien.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: So let's talk about until I see trees.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: So, so these people that just saw the alien in
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: the tent run, they sprint as fast as they can
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: and say, all right, We're 20 feet away from the tent. Quick,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: build a fire. The alien will never get us now.
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: You're right. This is why it's so mysterious.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: I know. And then the one guy, I'm just going
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: to throw myself in the fire now that there's aliens around.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: And bite my hand.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: The two problems I have is The lanterns not being
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: radioactive enough to cause the level of radiation they have.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Well, and I don't know. I don't know if it
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: is or not.
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: We can't confirm or deny. And then let's just say
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: it was enough with those lanterns going on all night
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: or however long until the bodies were found. They were
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: around these lanterns and that's what caused like the radioactive overload.
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: The lady who had the melted face with the gray hair.
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: Is really fucking me up right now.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Look. I don't know anything about. I don't know anything
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: about that lady. I don't know.
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: She look like a 27 year old to you. From
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: that photo.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: A skeleton.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: That look like something from a movie to me. I
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: don't know. I've never seen that picture. So I don't know.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: I mean that was freaky. That picture's freaky. So if
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: that was actually part of the thing, you know, I
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know anything about that.
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: Your best conspiracy theory just entertained me.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: What do you think the relationship is with them being
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: involved in the KGB?
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Well, no, I know that's confirmed.
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: You know it's confirmed, but do you think it had
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: anything to do with what happened?
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, in the sense that I do think that that's
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: why the government didn't want a lot of the information
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: getting out. And it may not have had anything to
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: do with that specific incident that happened to them more
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: than like their actual involvement with projects that were going on,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: things that they were trying to get involved with. I do.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: I can't remember. I do know that one of the
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: people was like a big part of trying to it
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: might've had something to do with extracting information from the
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: CIA or something like that. So they probably didn't want
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: some of that information getting out or the backgrounds of
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: some of these people. So if you want to talk
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories on that level, I mean, I would buy that,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: you know, like I don't, I don't think people, especially
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: those governments at that time, you're looking at cold war
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: type shit. And if it had to do between the
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: United States and Russia, I mean, people have a hard
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: enough time trusting any government these days, which I actually
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: really don't blame them for that. I don't blame anybody
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: for that. I don't think people get a good explanation
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: for much, you know, and I think back then people
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: were more trusting of their governments, but that particular incident,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, how vague they were with everything they said
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: and they released just about no information. Um, and I don't,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: you know, I'd have to dig really deep to try
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: to find out any information between what the information that
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: the families got from them. I don't know much, um,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: on that level, but I would say that.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: You, and you don't think that our government it's been
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: documented that, um, the Nazis were working on like type
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: UFO type crafts and that they were. Okay. So there's
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: nothing in your mind that thinks maybe the Russian government
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: had some back engineered bullshit, some kind of a spacecraft.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: And they were testing weapons out in the middle of nowhere.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: And they were like, Oh my God, look, look what happened.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: Lucky for us. We can test these direct energy weapons
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: out on these people.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know why you would do
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: it on those specific people who were good engineers.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: What if they knew? Like the KGB knew that they
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: were going out there. Like, hey, just want to let
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: you know I'm going hiking with my buddies next weekend.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: No, I think they did actually know. I mean, the
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: last person, let me see who the last....
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: I think his name was Alexander. The older one, right?
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: The 37-year-old?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He was the last Alexander.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, I don't know. I mean, you're, you're
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: bringing up things that are out of my realm of,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: of understanding.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: Like, like I'm just posing the question to you. If he,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: if they, the KGB knew he was going out of
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: town to do this hike and they were, he was
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: like one of the ones they were like, we really,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: we got to get rid of this guy. You know,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: we got to get rid of this guy. We've got
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: some stuff we need to test out anyways. Let's go.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: And the rest of them were just like collateral damage.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: If there is, you know, when it comes to things
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: like that, and I know that there's always been cover-ups,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: but I have this rule of thumb that anytime more
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: than like two or three people know something, I almost
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: think a village knows it. So when information doesn't leak out,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: it bothers me. So if you have like, you know,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: that's some, some of my problem with, with certain conspiracy
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: theories is that if five people knew this thing, hundreds
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: know it, then thousands know. And then basically everybody knows
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: it because people can't keep their mouths shut, you know?
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: So is the truth would eventually get out, you know?
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: And, Okay, I see where you're going.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if that happened to somebody, I think something would
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: have leaked out by now. Somebody would have had some
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: kind of inkling about it. Like, we'd know something. There'd
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: be that. So that's my feeling about that. I mean,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: I can't fully debunk it. It's just a feeling I have.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: If we take aside the gray-haired lady with the skeleton face,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: your theory fits perfectly.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Okay. I agree. I do like theory. But it's not
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: my theory. It's just one of theories and the one
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: I subscribe to because it made so much sense to me.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: And it did do a good job of explaining some
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: of the weirder stuff.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: The tongue in the eyes was the animal. Swapping of clothes.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: The snow falling on them. That was like tons and
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: tons and tons and tons crushed into them. Some of
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: them were trying to get back to the forest to
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: seek refuge. And some of them were found in the forest,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: by the way.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: Probably trying to get to another place.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: By the time they got there, they were already fucked off.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, they were gone. They were gone.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: And you've got to think that a certain level of
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: panic does ensue when you're that cold.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: That's definitely something I would be thinking about. I mean,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: When I go outside to shovel a driveway and it's
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: zero degrees, I'm like, fuck this shit. And I'm fully
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: bundled up. I've got, like, gloves, hat, the whole nines,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: and I'm still cold. It's hard to move. Like, the
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: whole world seems different when it's that cold. It's just
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: a different world. Your breath seems to freeze. I mean,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: if any exposed skin at that temperature... And I don't
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: know if that's including wind chill. I mean, if the
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: wind's howling like that and it's that cold, geez, man.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: Because it did say that they had to take shelter
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: because the weather was so bad.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: That's why they set up their tent right there. And
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: they were like, let's call it a night.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: Have they made a movie about this yet?
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know. That's a good question. I don't
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: think so.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: It'd be a hell of a movie.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Somebody probably has. There's one that says Dyatlov Pass movie
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: on Netflix from 2021. Oh, maybe that's a documentary. Let
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: me see. There's another one called Devil's Pass, Dyatlov Pass
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: movie from 2013. So it's called Devil's Pass. I don't know,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: you know. And it's Russian.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: Oh, that would make sense.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. They say it's a horror movie, too.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: Well, it's horrible what happened.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: 48% on Rotten Tomatoes. That might mean it's good.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: I think it would be a hell of a movie.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: And I would love to see whoever directed it, what
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: they claim happens. To the people. Like what they.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: Rennie Harlan directed it. 20th Century Studios. Anchor Bay Entertainment.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: I bet he says the alien popped up in the tent.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: I know you think that's hilarious. But I think UFOs
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: and aliens are real.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: If you ask me. My opinion on that. I do too.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: But.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know to the level of, like, Hollywood style.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, I definitely, I think anybody who doesn't believe
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: in this universe, there's other living beings. Like, we didn't
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: really know until recently. We couldn't confirm that there were
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: other planets outside our solar system. Like, we had never
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: known about. Now you see them everywhere. And there's actually
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: a belief. Or not a belief. They think they've scientifically proven,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: and this was very interesting to me, that they think
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: they've scientifically proven that there are more planets out there
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: right now within all the universe than there are seconds
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: that have existed since the universe began.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: How the fuck did they come to that conclusion?
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: So if you think about how many seconds there's been
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: since The 14 billion years in the existence of this
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: since the Big Bang or whatever they think it is.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: There's that many more planets. If you're thinking this is
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: the only one with life on it, you're bravely mistaken.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: Even if it was on half a percent or a
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: quarter of a percent, we're looking at life on thousands
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: and millions of worlds. And that's not just life. I
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: would have to say even if a quarter of a
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: percent of those were intelligent or what we would consider
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: intelligent life, There's thousands upon millions of those.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: I've heard so many theories, Brian, and like some of
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: them are like, it would be just like on earth.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: Some of them are evil. Some of them have not
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: the best intentions towards us. Some of them are totally benevolent.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: They're just passing through. And, you know, I do sometimes
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: think maybe just, the negative ones, people have had negative experiences.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: Some people have had positive experiences. If you watch fire
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: in the sky, you would know what I'm talking about.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: Not everybody has just like, Oh, it was great. And like,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: sometimes it's not a positive experience.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And with fire in the sky, I think the
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: one thing that's always interested me about that story.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: And you do believe it.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: I will say this, this is what I will say to,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: to that. I know that the people that experience that,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: I know that they believe it. I know that they
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: believe that is real, 100%. I don't think they're lying.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: I do not think that they're coming out and saying,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: you know, when you watch the interviews, you can just
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: tell the way people present themselves sometimes. Are they out
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: seeking attention? Like, they straight up, when they talk about that,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: you can almost... sense the trauma yeah like you can
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: sense that how traumatic that was for them so i
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: know that he believes that definitely happened to him um
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: it's a very convincing case to me.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: Um and it would be like oh they're making it
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: up for what they were like cutting trees in the
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: middle of the, you know what I mean? Like, for
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: what are they making this up? You know, they were
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: like manly men.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: Like some people make up stories for attention, but you know, like,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: and I know that our guts lie to us sometimes
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: and we're not always the best and, and, and character.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: And there's, and others, they want to believe these things
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: so bad that they'll just believe anything. But, you know,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: with that particular case, like, It is very convincing. I
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: will say that. That is one of the most convincing.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: I guess you would call that.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: An abduction story.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: For the fourth kind. And a true story. You know,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: I definitely believe that they are telling the truth. Let's
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: put it that way, that they believe it happened to them.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: And it is such a crazy story. I remember watching
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: that movie too, just being like in awe of it
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: when it came out.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: And it's freaky too, because it's like this Dyatlov Pass thing.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: It's like everybody has an opinion on it and everybody
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: has a story.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: It's a cool story.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it is.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: Wait, are you talking about Travis Walton?
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: I'm talking both. I'm talking both. They are both really
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: cool stories. I mean, they're right up there. those are
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: the types of stories that capture our imagination. You know, it, it,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: it goes against other things that you've learned. And I'll
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: say that in recent times, we are seeing more and
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: more like footage from our own government where they're seeing
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: crafts that they can't explain. And when you talk to
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: most pilots, they've run into crafts that they can't really explain.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: Does that make them alien? I can't confirm or deny that.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: That's too hard to say. Could it be experimental aircraft?
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: Could it be aircraft nobody is supposed to know about,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: so nobody's going to say, oh, yeah, we were flying
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: one of these new space-aged craft that we've been working
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: on that we don't want anybody else to know about?
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: Nobody's going to come out and say that, but they're
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: definitely seeing things up there. I believe these people. I do, too.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: Do you believe in the Bermuda Triangle?
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: Man, there are some really cool stories that come out
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: of that. And there's other triangles like that that aren't
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: just the Bermuda Triangle. There's other places, and I can't
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: think of them off the top of my head, that
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: this stuff happens even more often than in a triangle.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: But my belief in it doesn't make it true or
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: not true, but it is very fucking interesting.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: We can speculate based on the activity that goes on
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: at these locations, that there's something going on, even if
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: we don't know what it is. So the reason I
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: ask you that is because I came across yet another
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: conspiracy theory about the Dyatlov Pass, which was there are
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: just random portals in weird locations like this. bermuda triangle
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: this do not go there mountain the fuji mountain in japan.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: Um like they're this ominous place that just holds the
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: reason why it has this this power or that people
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: believe it's had this power for so long is.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: Because their portals their gateway they.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: Can feel it they can feel you know i i
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: had heard a story about the bermuda triangle that was
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: very interesting to me about a pilot. And I do
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: believe this might've been around world war two times, maybe not,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: but he started flying and he flew into this electric storm.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: Now he knew how much fuel he had. Obviously he's
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: a pilot. He needed to know how much fuel he had.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: He knew how long that trip was going to take him.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: It was from somewhere. I think, you know, like one
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: of those normal, trips you would be taken from the Caribbean,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: maybe through to Miami or that area. And as he
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: was flying, he flies into this storm and it was
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: like this dark storm cloud that just completely gave him
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: the creeps. And he was in touch with air traffic
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: control somewhere in the Caribbean when he was about to
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: fly into it. And he was terrified of this thing.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: And he's like, as I'm flying through it, like I
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: almost came into like, what was an eye of the storm?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: type thing and knew I had to fly even further
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: and he's like my instruments are all going crazy I
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: can't pick direction I can't see where the sun is
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: I'm like I'm basically flying blind you know and I'm
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: going into this storm and he comes back out the
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: storm cloud and he's like almost right above Miami but
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: he's there two hours earlier than he's supposed to be
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: and he hasn't lost the fuel he should have lost
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: And he's sitting there thinking exactly what you're talking about.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: Not like he thought he was in a time portal,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: but he's like, this is impossible. What's just happened to
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: me is impossible. Either my gauges right now are completely wrong.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: I don't have as much fuel as this is telling me.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: And my clock on here is wrong. But once he
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: was in touch with air traffic control, they're telling him
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: the same thing, not about his fuel, but the time
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: it was. And he's asking to go and land. And
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's really.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: That is what I'm talking about.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: And he's like, I can't tell you how many pilots
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: would have probably flown into something like that and never
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: been able to make it out and just crash, which
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: you hear about all the time in that area where,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: you know, this plane's never been found. And then, Sometimes
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: they do end up finding some of these planes years
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: and years later with people that go and find wrecks.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: So super interesting.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: There's been whole passenger flights disappear in there. So that's
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: why when I ask you that, I'm literally being sincere
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: when I say I think that there are portals like
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: this and we just have no idea about them. If
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: the government knows about them, they're not telling us.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: The government's like a two-edged sword to me. You think
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: about some elements of the government and you're like, they
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: can't do anything right. They're completely inept. They can't get
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: the census right. They can't figure anything out. They can't
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: police things right. It's basically if you want something to
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: run poorly, just put the government in charge of it,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: you know. So when I hear certain things about like, hey,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: maybe the government knows this, maybe I doubt it. I
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: don't think they're nearly as smart as they want people
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: to believe they are.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: But. Ooh, you know what that makes me think of?
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: It makes me think of men in black because you know,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: in that movie, Will Smith goes, so what branch of
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: the government do we report to? And he goes, we don't,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: they don't need to know about this. We work for
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: ourselves and we don't report to anyone. They ask too
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: many questions. And it's like, what if there's some type of, like,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: it's not even the government, but somebody out there is, like,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: in control of, like, okay, we know where all these
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: hot spots are. We know where the portals are and
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: the gateways. Like, Skinwalker Ranch, places like this, there's serious
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: fucking shit going on here. And it's like, who has
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: the answers? Somebody? Anybody? Does anyone know what the fuck
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: is going on here? I don't. I know.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: I know they don't.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: No. I'm slowly finding that out. Like everybody's just kind
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: of like going through life with like a blindfold on,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: you know, just feeling their way through.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: It's that idea. It kind of reminds me of the
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: idea of, and I think we all went through this
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: as children. I know I did when I was a child,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: I used to look up at adults and be like, man,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: they got it all figured out. And you kind of
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: have this assumption as you, get older that like things
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: you're just going to figure things out and you do
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: gain wisdom and you do gain knowledge. But the reality
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: is you don't know nearly as much as you thought
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: you were going to know. You don't, you can't do
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: as much as you thought you were going to be
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: able to do. You have to spend every waking moment
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: trying to, you know, become an expert on anything. And
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: you realize quickly, you can't be an expert in everything
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: and you got to pick your battles and pick what
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: you want. And I think sometimes people, attribute the government similarly.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: They know everything. They're in the know. They know this. No,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: they don't know shit. They don't know shit. I mean,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: just look at the last couple presidents we've had. I'll
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: just say that. These people, they're not like the smartest
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: people you've ever come across in the know. I'm not
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: going to go to Joe Biden and be like, tell
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: me about the aliens. Tell me about what's going on
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: over there. I wouldn't trust Joe Biden to change my
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: fucking oil in my car. I wouldn't trust him to
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: give me directions to get up the street. Hey, which
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: one's my house?
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: I'm standing in front of you.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: That makes me want to ask you one question.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: Did you hear this story that Joe Biden walked right
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: in front of the Duchess of Cornwall, Camilla?
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't. Whatever this is, I know I didn't.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: He lifted his leg up and just ripped ass right
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: in front of her. Couldn't stop talking about it for days.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: He's so loyal, you know? And then Joe Biden just
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: walks right up to her, looks her dead in the eye,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: and just rips ass in front of her. He did
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: this in front of the Pope, too. He was like, hi, Pope.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: Nice to meet you. I'm Joe Biden.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: Somebody put some holy water on that man.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: I just thought that was the craziest thing I had
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: ever heard. Somebody else told me about it. They go,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 5: he pulled a real power move, if you ask me.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 5: Probably shit his britches.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing surprises me.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: But, Brian.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: Okay. What's up?
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: Before we wrap up for the night, can you tell
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: the listeners what it is you're doing on the Cleveland
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: Schwill podcast? What do you have going on in lightness?
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, no, I appreciate that. So I have started my
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: own podcast called Cleveland Schwill. And if we have a
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: little gimmick on there where we have to have a
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: drink while we're doing our talking and you kind of
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: tell everybody what it is that you're drinking, how you
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: would make it, et cetera, et cetera. But I'm predominantly,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: I've lived most of my life in Northeast Ohio. So
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to promote Northeast Ohio talent. And that means
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: like anybody who's in the music industry out here, um,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: artists and small business owners. I even want to have
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: on detectives to talk about like, you know, not like
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: recent crimes, but maybe like a retired detective talk about
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: some of his cases that he's done over the years. Um, and, uh,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: Next week, I'm actually interviewing somebody that has made their
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: own comic book strip here. They have four different comics
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: that they've done. It looks absolutely gorgeous. He's been doing
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: it for years. He's made movies. He does the writing.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: All of the stuff takes place in Cleveland. So basically,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: it's a Northeast Ohio podcast. But I mean, obviously, we
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: invite anybody to come and listen. But it's just to
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: kind of document and promote something. talented people that before
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: they like go off to somewhere else to make it
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: and then have everybody be like, Oh yeah, we had
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: them there back since day one when we did. Right.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: Or, and just upcoming events that are happening locally and
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: things like that. But there's a ton of interesting people
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: here and we're going to try to do everything we
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: can to get, get their stories. And I think it
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: could be entertaining to anybody, but predominantly it's people that,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: like live in this area or used to live in
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: this area and want to know what's going on and
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: want to know about like some of the things their
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: neighbors are up to.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: And, you know, obviously I'm from there. So it's very
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: interesting to me because I like hearing that kind of stuff.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: Cause I grew up there. It's nostalgic. Like there's a
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: lot of little places and stuff that I went to
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: as a kid and like Geneva on the lake was
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 4: a biggie and it's a magical place actually. What I
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: will say is, like, beautiful in the fall.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: Like, absolutely gorgeous. All four seasons. You get all four seasons.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: It's really nice. It is. It's a Midwest type of thing. But,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people grow up here and
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: then they move other places. And then they still have
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: that nostalgia for back home. That's why I think teams
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: like the Cleveland Browns have so many backers bars all
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: over the country and even the world. is people are
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: following a team that they grew up with. They just
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: live somewhere else now, you know, and that feels like home.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: And sometimes when you listen to somebody from your area,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: it's kind of comforting. It is. It brings that home feel.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: They talk like you, like a Clevelander with our nasally accents.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: And they talk about places that you've been in restaurants.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: You've visited places you loved going when you grew up and, and,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: But to just know things that are going on there
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: and that there's exciting things happening and what's new. And
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: you can almost feel like you're being part of it again.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: I think that's an excellent idea. Because I have to
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: tell you, if I come on, I'm talking about growing
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: up and going to the grape jamboree every year.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Which other people have done and love and would
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: love to talk about and think about. There are so
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: many Instagram pages and other things dedicated just to certain
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: decades people grew up in. All these people do, they're
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: like adults. It's like this whole thing dedicated to the 80s.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: They have their basements and they're putting in VHS tapes
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: that you would have watched in the 80s on an
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: 80s television with a Walkman and they're putting a tape
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: in it. People love this shit. The technology is completely outdated.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter. Like somebody's holding up a new
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: kids on the block tape and like all these women
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: are like, Oh my God, that was my favorite band
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: when I was 10 years old in the eighties. Like
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: they love that. The cassette meant something to them. They
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: can remember the time that they were in the basement
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: with their eight friends and they put in the tape,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: listen to it all the way through and danced and
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: ate pizza. Like that shit means things to people because
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: it was a simpler time. It was a, um, for
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: them and not for their parents. It was just as
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: chaotic as it was. But for that time, for them,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: things were so simple. The only thing you had to
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: worry about was getting your homework done on time and
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: making sure you were home by the time the lights
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: went out on the street. And, you know, what note
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: you were going to write to your girlfriend and try
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: to get passed to her through your friends. And, you know,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: like that's what people did. And it was just, it was,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: You couldn't do things so quickly like you can now.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: So it had more meaning. Access to people had more meaning.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: And that meant something to somebody like. If I had
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: a problem, like I couldn't just text somebody real quick
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: to find out how they're feeling about it. Like that devalued.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: that communication because it's so easy to access. When you
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: had to sit there and mull over for an entire
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: weekend what you were going to say to your girlfriend
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: or boyfriend when you saw them on Monday, that had
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: a completely different amount of meaning to you. It had
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: so much value. Because you couldn't just access it. You
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: couldn't just do it. You had to really think about it.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: You went over all the different scenarios in your head.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: And you're like, I might put this in my note
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: or I'll just tell her in person or I'll just
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: do this. And now things are just like throwaway to
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: a degree. And it kind of just devalued things a
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: little bit. You swipe left or right on a human
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: being superficially and you don't even know them or anything
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: about their personality or traits. And it kind of has...
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: I think that does have a detrimental effect on people,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: but the nostalgia for me is where it's at. And
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: I think communicating, I think actually bringing these podcasts and
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: people listening to podcasts kind of takes you back to
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: a little bit of more of a nostalgic time because
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: you're listening to two people talk and it's real. It's
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: not edited. Nobody's pushing their, well, people push narratives, but
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, and there's commercials, but it's not like the
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: whole thing. Like when you watch five minutes of a
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: news clip, And it's just a real cliff blurb so
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: they can make you buy a Toyota Camry at the end.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: You're sitting there talking about real shit with real people.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: And your listeners are sitting there like, yeah, I fucking
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: want to know about this too. They can tell when
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: you're being real. People aren't stupid. They know when you're
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: being real and they know when you're full of shit.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: And most people want to listen to somebody who at
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: least they know is being real with them. There's something
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: inherently real. almost unique about that quality now, which is
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: a shame.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: Do you know why Brian? Because the kids who have
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: grown up being able to text everything, did not have
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: to live through the generation where you had to be
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: able to make conversation with another human being and like
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: fill in the small, like the gaps in between and
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: with small talk and like come up with stuff to
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: say on your feet, be sociable. Because I was talking
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: to somebody who's like a Gen Z or whatever. They've
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: texted everything their whole life. And it's like, they'll be like,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: I hate, having conversations with people like just text me
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: for God's sake. Like, I don't want to talk to
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: you on the phone or I don't want to talk
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: to you like at work. I just text me or
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: email me or whatever. If you don't come to my
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: cubicle and ask me, just send it in an email.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: What they're really saying is that's my insecurity and anywhere
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: that I'm insecure, I don't feel comfortable and I don't
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: feel like safe. I feel safe between the veil of
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: this piece of technology. But I don't feel safe interacting
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: with another human being. It's my anxiety. And I think
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: that's where you do see a lot of anxiety stemming
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: from a lot of people now is that we've dehumanized
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: humans to a point where I hope that we can
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: come back from it. And I hope that people do
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: learn that what a beautiful blessing it is to talk
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: to another human being. you know, this is scientifically proven
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: and we're wired this way, biologically wired this way, that
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: if two people hold hands long enough, their heartbeats start
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: to sink. You hold somebody's hand that you love, it
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: actually can heal you. And this is not bullshit. I'm not,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: this is scientifically proven stuff. Being around people that you
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: love and having somebody tell you that they love you and, uh,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: and you're around them and the trust is there and
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: they're holding your hand and they care for you, it
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: actually really does make people better. And I'm not saying
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: it's the cure for all, you know, but people get
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: better from illnesses faster when they have somebody that loves them,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: that's taking care of them. Like we are biologically wired
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: to be around other people, not a device. And if
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: people are like, I can't find love, I don't know
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: anything about love. But they look through that the only
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: way they're comfortable in finding love is through an app
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: or their computer. I don't think there's anything wrong with that,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: using that to reach out to somebody, even though it's
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: very superficial and mostly predominantly based on looks, unfortunately. But
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: you have to pair that with humanity. You have to
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: pair that with going out and seeing somebody's personality and
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: understanding that there's more than just the smile and a
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: professional photographer that took some pictures of somebody in Calvin
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: Klein underwear. There's more to it than that. And when
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: you touch that person and you kiss them on their
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: lips and look them in their eyes or touch the
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: back of their head, that literally releases chemicals in people.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: It's a whole new experience.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And that's why.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 4: I was going to say, that's why I feel like
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: these Gen Z kids will sit in a room with
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 4: you on their phone the entire time and be super comfortable,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 4: never uttering a word out of their mouth to you
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: because it's like, I'm on my phone. Why aren't you
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: on your phone? Let's just sit in the same room
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 4: and be on our phones together. But I remember when
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: I was little, If my mom had people, company, come
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: over to the house and I wasn't sitting at the
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: table with them talking or sitting in the living room
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: with them talking, I was in trouble.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: Because you have to talk to the guests. They're our company.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: They came all the way over unannounced to have some
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: coffee and some little fucking zebra cakes or whatever mom
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: had just to sit and enjoy each other's company i
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: know and that in a way is what podcasting is
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: doing too it's like just enjoying another person's company for
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: an hour or two and.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: Hopefully it does comfort people and let them know that
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: they're not alone there's other people that are like you
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: out there that do want to talk to other human
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: beings and Sometimes it might be harder to find them
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: when you're in the hustle and bustle of your everyday
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: repetitive life. But when you break away, you know, sometimes
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: I say it's not that bad to just go say
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: hi to people. I do it all the time. Everywhere
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: I go, I talk to people. I do. You wouldn't
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: believe how happy most people are to just have you
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: say hello to them and give five seconds of your
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: time to give a shit. It's a whole new world, though.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: when you do that for people, they're unbelievably grateful.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: One of the greatest gifts you can give someone is
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: your time.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. That's a great way to put it. It's true.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: And on that note, if someone wants to spend some
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: time with you, Brian, how can they contact you?
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. So, um, it is, if you have, if
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: you're from Northeast Ohio, know somebody from Northeast Ohio that
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: is kind of partaking in any of the things I
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: brought up earlier, um, mostly in the art world, but
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: also small businesses or detectives or comedians or anything along
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: that line. Actually, any interesting stories that you have, period.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: Even if your house is haunted and you live in
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: Northeast Ohio. You can reach me at cleveland.schwill at gmail.com
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: and we also have a Cleveland Schwill Instagram page and
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: that's cleveland underscore schwill on Instagram.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 4: So, Can they send you a message on Instagram?
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: You can send me a message on Instagram and actually
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: anybody can follow the page. I'm on Apple, Spotify, Google, Amazon.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: Anchor, Podbean, all of those.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: I do want to say, Brian, I love you to bits.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: You are my cousin, and obviously you're not just a
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: guest on my show, so it's always super fun when
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: you come on.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, I love coming on. I love coming on. It's
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: a great time. I appreciate you having me.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. And thanks for being part of this spooktacular show.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: To all my listeners, I hope you enjoyed it. Thank
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: you so much for listening, and we'll see you on
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 4: the next one.
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  Speaker 2: I was working in the lab late one night When
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: my eyes beheld an eerie.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: Sight For my monster from his lab began to rise
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: And suddenly, to my surprise He.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: Did the match He did the monster match The monster
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: match It was a graveyard.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: Smash It caught on in a flash It did.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: The monster mash It did the monster mash It was
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: a graveyard smash It caught on in a flash.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 4: He did the man.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: He did the monster.