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The Bolt Report | 28 July · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Kids, it's the Report.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm
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  Speaker 2: James Macpherson. Coming up tonight. The United Nations top climate
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  Speaker 2: official is in Sydney, urging the Albanese government to go
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  Speaker 2: harder on a mission reduction targets, warning that if we.
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  Speaker 3: Don't, the world will overheat.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be asking Michael Kroger and Stephen Conroy to weigh
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  Speaker 2: in on that one. Victoria's new police chief is called
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  Speaker 2: Melbourne the protest capital of Australia, while the state's Multicultural
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  Speaker 2: Minister defends anti Israel protesters who sent the National Gallery
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  Speaker 2: into lockdown yesterday. Taiwan has asked if they can join
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  Speaker 2: Australia's next wargame exercise. That request puts the PM in
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  Speaker 2: an awkward position, doesn't it. Greg Sheridan will have more
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  Speaker 2: to say about that. And women thrown out of the
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  Speaker 2: women's World Match Played darts tournament for noticing that one
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  Speaker 2: of the competitors was not in fact a woman.
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  Speaker 3: More on that.
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  Speaker 2: Later, but first, just when you thought Sydney might be
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  Speaker 2: allowed a peaceful Sunday, the Palestine Action Group has kindly
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  Speaker 2: informed us that they'd like to shut down the Harbor
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  Speaker 2: Bridge this weekend. Apparently marching through the CBD every single
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  Speaker 2: weekend for almost two years wasn't quite enough disruption to
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  Speaker 2: get their point across, so they've submitted the required form,
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  Speaker 2: a legal equivalent of sticking a post it note on
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  Speaker 2: the city and calling dibbs with just one week's notice,
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  Speaker 2: one week for an event that will close the city's
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  Speaker 2: most vital transport artery. That only the Harbor Bridge. It's
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  Speaker 2: not like anyone uses it. According to the Palestine Action Group,
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  Speaker 2: a march across the bridge because it's Australia's most iconic symbol,
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  Speaker 2: will and I quote send a powerful message to the world.
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  Speaker 2: And that message is what you guys don't understand what
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  Speaker 2: infrastructure is for. It's a bridge, not a cat book
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  Speaker 2: for you to model your newly purchased kefia. Oh and
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  Speaker 2: spoiler alert, Benjamin Nett Yahoo won't be watching and if
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  Speaker 2: he is, he's not taking policy directions from a mob
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  Speaker 2: blocking traffic between Milson's Point and the CBD. Premier Chris
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  Speaker 2: Mins has said the government can't support the protest, warning
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  Speaker 2: it would cause the city to descend into chaos, which
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  Speaker 2: is polite politicians speak for, are you people out of
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  Speaker 2: your minds. Well, Mins is right, and of course they
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  Speaker 2: are out of their minds. You don't close the Harbor
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  Speaker 2: Bridge because a protest group, who already have the run
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  Speaker 2: of the CBD every single weekend, wants a shinier backdrop
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  Speaker 2: for their anti Israel placards. Of course, the protesters are
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  Speaker 2: pointing to precedent. The bridge was closed for World Pride
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  Speaker 2: Month in twenty twenty three and back in two thousand
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  Speaker 2: for the Walk of Reconciliation. But there's a crucial difference,
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  Speaker 2: isn't there. Those were meticulously organized, widely supported, one off
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  Speaker 2: events with genuine public backing and actual permits, not hastily
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  Speaker 2: announced parades for people to see just how close they
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  Speaker 2: can get to being charged for hate speed, which without
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  Speaker 2: ever being charged for hate speech.
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  Speaker 3: You have to admire the delusion that.
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  Speaker 2: A march across the Harbor Bridge will somehow influence Hamas
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  Speaker 2: Israel or even Anthony Albanezi. Okay, it might influence Anthony Albanese,
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  Speaker 2: but he's very easily influenced. Yes, protesting is a democratic right,
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  Speaker 2: I understand that, But rights come with responsibilities, like not
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  Speaker 2: holding an entire city hostage.
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  Speaker 3: H hostage.
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  Speaker 2: That word reminds me of something never bother anyway, These
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  Speaker 2: from the River to the Sea types have already had
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  Speaker 2: two years worth of weekends to wave their flags and
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  Speaker 2: shout their slogans. In fact, if you listen closely on
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  Speaker 2: George Street, you can still hear the echo of last
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  Speaker 2: week's chance. Premier Min's needs to stand firm. The Harbor
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  Speaker 2: Bridge isn't a protest prop and the people of Sydney,
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  Speaker 2: regardless of where they stand on the conflict in the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East, shouldn't have to pay a toll literal or
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  Speaker 2: metaphorical every time someone with a cause wants a photo op.
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  Speaker 3: Let's not pretended.
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  Speaker 2: Allowing Glebes I don't know third favorite barista to block
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  Speaker 2: the Kale Expressway for ninety minutes is going to change anything.
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  Speaker 2: The Palestine Action Groups hates Israel, excuses from us, and
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  Speaker 2: doesn't care about Jewish hostages. Message received loud and clear.
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  Speaker 2: Now get off the bridge. As the world struggles for
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  Speaker 2: a solution to the Gaza crisis, Bob Geldof has descended
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  Speaker 2: from his castle of irrelevance to offer a solution so
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  Speaker 2: breathtakingly idiotic it could only come from a celebrity. The
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  Speaker 2: Night of humanitarian nonsense as decided the solution is for
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  Speaker 2: Jews to pack their cars with sandwiches, drive into Gaza
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  Speaker 2: and feed the starving Palestinians themselves here, he is.
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  Speaker 4: What's unfair is what's happening to these babies. What's unfair
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  Speaker 4: is that image that you showed us. That's unfair.
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  Speaker 3: One hour.
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  Speaker 4: I've been in Gaza, I've been in the West Bank.
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  Speaker 4: I've been in this many times. What's unfair is that
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  Speaker 4: one hour from the hunger people are sitting down to
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  Speaker 4: their own threatened dinners to turn on the next Netflix
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  Speaker 4: soap one hour. So, if Israelis want to protest, get.
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  Speaker 1: In your cars.
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  Speaker 4: This is very Bob stuff. I know, sorry about that.
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  Speaker 4: Get in your cars, stuff your cars full of food
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  Speaker 4: and drive through that border and let your own army
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  Speaker 4: stop you.
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  Speaker 2: As Bob said, this is very Bob stuff and an
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  Speaker 2: unprovoked attack on every other Bob in the world.
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  Speaker 3: I might add, according to Bob Geldoff.
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  Speaker 2: The very people whose children are right now being held
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  Speaker 2: hostage should provide meals on wheels for their captors. Only
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  Speaker 2: in the fervid mind of a virtue signaling pop relic.
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  Speaker 2: Would that make sense in the entire history of war
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  Speaker 2: when is the side that was attacked being expected to
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  Speaker 2: feed the enemy. Did the Polish hand liver sausages to
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  Speaker 2: German soldiers in nineteen thirty nine? Did the French ride
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  Speaker 2: bicycles into Berlin to deliver bagets in nineteen forty one?
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  Speaker 3: Of course not.
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  Speaker 2: And if you suggested such, you were treated like an idiot.
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  Speaker 2: These days you've given a knighthood. What does Sir Bob
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  Speaker 2: Geldoff think would happen to those Jews who followed his
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  Speaker 2: suggestion and take up the challenge to become a kind
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  Speaker 2: of uber eats for Gaza?
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  Speaker 3: Just imagine it.
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  Speaker 2: They wind down the windows so Harmus can hear John
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  Speaker 2: Lennon's imagine blaring through their car's speaker system as they
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  Speaker 2: drive into Gaza loaded up with homos and hugs. What
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  Speaker 2: does Geldoff think would happen? Many of those murdered on
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  Speaker 2: October seven weren't hardline Zionists. They were peace activists, the
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  Speaker 2: coexistence crowd. They gave Ghazan's jobs, treated them like neighbors,
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  Speaker 2: opened their homes. These Israelis thought they were making peace. Instead,
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  Speaker 2: they made it easier for Hamas to map out their
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  Speaker 2: security systems. The mus repaid their kindness by sneaking across
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  Speaker 2: the border and slaughtering them. Now Bob Geldof thinks those
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  Speaker 2: Jews or their grieving friends and family should drive into
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  Speaker 2: Gaza bearing peter bread, lentil stew. This isn't humanitarianism, it's
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  Speaker 2: suicidal theater. And while we're on the topic, why not
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  Speaker 2: ask I don't know the Egyptians, They're right next door,
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  Speaker 2: they speak the language, they have cultural and religious ties.
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  Speaker 2: Why isn't Bob Geldof screaming into a microphone for Cairo
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  Speaker 2: to open its gates and share food. Well, that's right,
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  Speaker 2: because Egypt, like most Arab nations, wants as much to
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  Speaker 2: do with Hamas as Bob Geldoff wants to do with
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  Speaker 2: a haircut. The fact remains that if Hamas simply surrendered,
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  Speaker 2: laid down its weapons, and released the hostages, the war
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  Speaker 2: and with it, the humanitarian crisis would be over tonight.
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  Speaker 3: But no, Bob wants the.
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  Speaker 2: People who were slaughtered to fix the problem caused by
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  Speaker 2: the ones who did the slaughtering. What about the fact
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  Speaker 2: Hamas started this?
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  Speaker 4: Whatever about the origins of this war? And I would
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  Speaker 4: completely agree with everyone as to what happened on October
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  Speaker 4: the seventh inhumane, disgusting, and disgraceful. But we're way way
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  Speaker 4: past that. Now, we're down to some base level of bestialosy.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, just wow.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure the families of the fifty Israelis still
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  Speaker 2: held hostage in tunnels beneath Gaza would agree that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we're way beyond that as a primary concern.
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  Speaker 2: And before people say, well, why should the people of
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  Speaker 2: Gaza suffer for the actions of Hamas? Leaving aside the
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  Speaker 2: fact the Gardens elected Hamas as their government, and leaving
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  Speaker 2: aside the fact that plenty of Gards and civilians celebrated
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  Speaker 2: the October seven attack, and leaving aside the various poles
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  Speaker 2: that have consistently shown Hamas continues to enjoy high levels
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  Speaker 2: of support among Gardens.
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  Speaker 3: Leaving all of that aside.
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  Speaker 2: Listened to what Geldof says when challenged as to why
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  Speaker 2: Israelis have a duty to go and feed the Palestinians.
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  Speaker 4: Because they're the ones that wore their government is are
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  Speaker 4: war in their name.
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  Speaker 2: So when Hamas sought to Jews, it has nothing to
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  Speaker 2: do with the Gazan population who elected them. But when
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  Speaker 2: the Israeli governs responds, well, every Israeli bears the responsibility
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  Speaker 2: and needs to get in their car and drive over there.
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  Speaker 3: With a sandwich.
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  Speaker 2: It's a classic example of the double standards that are
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  Speaker 2: continually applied to Israel, but never to their enemies. I'm
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  Speaker 2: curious though, as to why Bob Goldoff is only.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking out now.
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  Speaker 2: A mass attack in Israel in twenty twenty three, so
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  Speaker 2: for more than six hundred and fifty days, Bob Geldof
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  Speaker 2: has been silent.
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  Speaker 4: The fortieth anniversity of band Aid my own past and
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  Speaker 4: history with this, so I thought I should say something now.
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  Speaker 2: He's speaking out now because it's the fortieth anniversary of
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  Speaker 2: band Aid.
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  Speaker 3: I remember Bandaid.
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  Speaker 2: Bob Geldoff tried to make the world a better place,
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  Speaker 2: raising huge sums of money to feed starving masses in Ethiopia,
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  Speaker 2: only to leave everybody scratching their heads as to how
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  Speaker 2: the then third porous nation on Earth ended up with
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  Speaker 2: one of the largest and best equipped armies in Africa.
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  Speaker 2: Now Goldof wants to do the same in Gaza. Well,
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  Speaker 2: somewhere in a tunnel beneath Rufa, a Hamask commander is
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  Speaker 2: tonight rubbing his hands together and whispering feed the world.
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  Speaker 3: Will the Coalition.
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  Speaker 2: Politely wait for a review to tell them what their gut,
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  Speaker 2: Their constituents and their electricity bills already know that net
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  Speaker 2: zero is a politically correct suicide pact. Barnaby Joyce has
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  Speaker 2: decided waiting is for wind turbines and weaklings.
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  Speaker 3: This morning, the.
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  Speaker 2: Former Deputy PM and current Chief Officer of Unsolicited Truths
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  Speaker 2: marched up to Parliament and did the unthinkable in Canberra.
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  Speaker 3: He actually tried to do something.
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  Speaker 2: Barnaby introduced a private member's bill to scrap net zero
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  Speaker 2: targets entirely, not tweak them, not reframe the conversation, scrap them.
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  Speaker 3: Net zero net gone.
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  Speaker 2: Standing outside Parliament, Barnaby didn't so much announce the bill
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  Speaker 2: as detonated.
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  Speaker 5: There are pensioners today in our nation who are cold.
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  Speaker 3: We did it to them.
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  Speaker 5: We've done that to them. If we have to get
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  Speaker 5: cap fire power to make them warm, that's precisely what
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  Speaker 5: we do. If we need nuclear to make them warm,
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  Speaker 5: that is precisely what we do. But our success is
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  Speaker 5: not in some ridiculous idea that we in austral in
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  Speaker 5: that building, that magic house, are going to change the climate.
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  Speaker 5: Our success is when we return those people to the
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  Speaker 5: condition that we actually had them formally in with some
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  Speaker 5: of the cheapest power in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Heah, but not everyone in that magic house was quite
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  Speaker 2: as electrified by Barnaby's burst of initiative. Nationals Deputy leader
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Hogan, looking like a man who just found out
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  Speaker 2: Barnaby had bored his without asking, offered this valiant attempt
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  Speaker 2: at party unity.
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  Speaker 5: I think I'm putting this down to Barnaby's passion about
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  Speaker 5: the issue.
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  Speaker 3: David's leadership is very solid. Translation Barnaby's off the leash again.
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  Speaker 2: But please don't panic. David little Proud is technically still
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  Speaker 2: in charge. We think, of course, no one should be
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  Speaker 2: shocked by any of this. Asking Barnaby Joyce to wait
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  Speaker 2: quietly for the Coalition to finish their policy review is
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  Speaker 2: like asking a sheep dog to stop chasing things. It's
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  Speaker 2: adorable in theory, but it's not gonna happen, and really,
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  Speaker 2: why should he or anyone else in the coalition wait?
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  Speaker 2: Over in Europe, Donald Trump was getting it done. No
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  Speaker 2: focus group, no four hundred page discussion paper, no working
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  Speaker 2: group required, just eyes ears and a passing acquaintance with physics.
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  Speaker 2: Net zero with its solar panels and wind turbines is
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  Speaker 2: a con job.
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  Speaker 6: It's the most expensive form of energy.
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  Speaker 1: It's no good.
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  Speaker 6: They're made in China, almost all of them. When they
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  Speaker 6: start to rust and ride in eight years, you can't
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  Speaker 6: really turn them off. You can't bear them. They want
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  Speaker 6: to let you bury the propellers, you know, the perhaps
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  Speaker 6: because there are a certain type of fiber that doesn't
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  Speaker 6: go well with the land. That's what they say. The
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  Speaker 6: environmental they say you can't bury them because the fiber
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  Speaker 6: doesn't go well.
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  Speaker 3: With the land.
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  Speaker 6: In other words, if you bury it, it will harm
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  Speaker 6: our soil. The whole thing is a konja.
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  Speaker 2: While Australia's political class is still lighting incense at the
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  Speaker 2: altar of net zero, pretending we can run a modern
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  Speaker 2: economy on solar panels, recycled hope and to Tonberg's approval,
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  Speaker 2: everyday Australians are wondering why their power bills now require
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  Speaker 2: a mortgage broker. The coalition they need to pick a side.
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  Speaker 2: Nationals leader David little Proud said they will pick aside soon.
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  Speaker 2: If the review recommends picking aside.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to preempt it, but the reality is
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  Speaker 1: we're going through a process because what we also want
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  Speaker 1: to be able to do is to be able to
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  Speaker 1: put forward alternatives, and I think that's the responsible thing
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  Speaker 1: to do.
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  Speaker 2: And the rest of us are going through a process
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  Speaker 2: with our electricity bills. Fair enough, Let the review team
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  Speaker 2: can continue their slow, cautious waltz towards the inevitable conclusion.
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  Speaker 2: But don't call that leadership. It's management, timid management. Whether
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  Speaker 2: you love Barnaby Joyce or loathe him or simply find
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  Speaker 2: him exhausting, you have to admit it's nice that someone
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  Speaker 2: in the coalition still knows what they stand for. Let's
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  Speaker 2: be honest. Sometimes you don't need anough the review. You
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  Speaker 2: just need a politician willing to call a wind turbine
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  Speaker 2: what it is, a monument to madness. Just maybe Barnaby Joyce,
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  Speaker 2: Matt Canavan, Garth Hamilton and a few others will drag
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  Speaker 2: the Nationals and maybe the whole Coalition kicking and screaming
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  Speaker 2: back to sanity. Well, while Barnaby Joyce was urging his
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  Speaker 2: party to abandon the net zero folly, the UN's top
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  Speaker 2: climate official, Simon Steele, was urging Anthony Albansi to go harder. Steele,
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  Speaker 2: who one can only presume flew into Sydney on a
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  Speaker 2: carbon neutral Broomstick urged the alban Easy government not to
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  Speaker 2: settle for what's easy when setting twenty thirty five emissions targets.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking at a Smart Energy Council event today, he warned
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  Speaker 2: that the alternative to setting an ambitious emission's reduction goal
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  Speaker 2: was and I quote letting the world overheat. If the
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  Speaker 2: Earth's thermostat tips, it'll be because we didn't put enough
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  Speaker 2: solar panels in Dubbo or something.
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  Speaker 3: Seriously.
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  Speaker 2: Australia accounts for just over one percent of global emissions,
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  Speaker 2: which is roughly the carbon footprint of Taylor Swift's international tour,
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  Speaker 2: but facts as usual, a surplus to requirements in climate theater.
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  Speaker 2: Simon Steele said that what Australia does next on pursuing
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  Speaker 2: that zero would be our defining moment. He said, and
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  Speaker 2: I quote consider the alternative, missing the opportunity and letting
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  Speaker 2: the world overheat. Joining me now is former Labor Minister
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  Speaker 2: Stephen Conroy and former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger. Gentlemen,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for your time this evening. Stephen Conroy. The
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  Speaker 2: choice is not between overheating or not overheating the planet.
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  Speaker 2: The choices between poverty and prosperity with no difference to
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  Speaker 2: the climate either way, isn't it.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, I don't accept you know, you're analysis oil your
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  Speaker 7: premise there. Australians have made a very clear choice. Just
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  Speaker 7: a few months ago they rejected the nuclear energy you
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  Speaker 7: know path. They voted for renewable energy sources and also
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  Speaker 7: gas being part of that transition. That was a Labour's position.
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  Speaker 7: It took to the electorate and we had the greatest
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  Speaker 7: election victory in the history of the Labor Party and
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  Speaker 7: the Liberals vote in the polling since the election, the
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  Speaker 7: Liberals by itself are down to about twenty five percent.
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  Speaker 7: So I'm not sure whether the Liberal Party you are
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  Speaker 7: going to end up on this. You've got Barnaby Joyce
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  Speaker 7: who is being his usual destructive self. He's not on
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  Speaker 7: the front bench and now he's going to destroy the
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  Speaker 7: opposition parties yet again. So this mindless adhering to climate
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  Speaker 7: change is false. We can't do anything about it. Is
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  Speaker 7: just going to continue to make the Liberal National Coalition
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  Speaker 7: more irrelevant over the next three years.
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  Speaker 2: I disagree that Australians rejected abandoning net zero because they
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  Speaker 2: were never given that option and As for Labour's policy
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  Speaker 2: on nuclear, they went to the election telling Australians if
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  Speaker 2: we voted for nuclear, we'd end up with fish that had.
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  Speaker 3: Three eyes, Michael.
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  Speaker 2: If the Coalition recognized the folly of net zero and
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  Speaker 2: campaign relentlessly and unapologetically as the party of cheap, reliable energy,
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  Speaker 2: they could be back in government in three years.
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  Speaker 1: I doubt that by the way I vote. It's not
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  Speaker 1: twenty five percent. It's not good, but it's not that level.
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  Speaker 1: And the other thing is, every time we win an election.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone we put to twenty five right, every.
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  Speaker 1: Time we got an election, the party that wins says, oh,
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  Speaker 1: every one of our policies was validated. No, it didn't
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  Speaker 1: reject nuclear, It didn't really embrace net zero. It was
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  Speaker 1: more concerned about Medicare, cost of living Trump, you know,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: urgent care, clinics, wage rises for the low paid. That
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  Speaker 1: was the genesis of the election. You can say it
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  Speaker 1: endorsed every Labor policy if you want. But do I
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  Speaker 1: think the campaign was about nuclear or net zero?
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  Speaker 8: No?
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  Speaker 1: I don't. But having embraced net zero for many years now,
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  Speaker 1: the Coalition has to think very carefully about changing that.
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  Speaker 1: What we're doing a complete u turn now on net zero.
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  Speaker 1: Now net zero clearly is now not going to you know,
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  Speaker 1: is not going to be achieved within the time frame.
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  Speaker 1: All these green energy off onshore projects, green hydrogen, green steel,
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  Speaker 1: offshore windmills, they're all collapsing because they're commercially impossible. They
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  Speaker 1: don't stack up financially. And we've seen what's happened. It's
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  Speaker 1: all been documented very heavily in the Australian. But do
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I think the Coalition should be fighting the next election
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: on net zero? Probably not. I think there are probably
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: more urgent issues for the Coalition to fight on and
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: more within its brand equity. And you know, if it's
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: you have to prove that energy prices are going to
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: be lower under whatever the alternative model is, and that's
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: very hard to prove. It's a very gray area as
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: to who what is causing the massive increase in energy prisis.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: I think most people have got a fair idea. I'd
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: like to argue that one more, but I want to
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: move on and talk about former New South Wales Premier
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Bob Karr, who's come under fire today for comparing Israel's
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: actions in Gaza to the actions of Stalin Mao and
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: even Adolf Hitler. He made the comments on ABC Radio
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: earlier today have listened.
• 19:23
  Speaker 9: This is the first time, in the eyes of the world,
• 19:26
  Speaker 9: that a modern country has used mass starvation against the
• 19:30
  Speaker 9: civilian population as a weapon of war. There's a pattern
• 19:33
  Speaker 9: of behavior here that really demands comparison with the worst
• 19:39
  Speaker 9: of the last hundred years of Stalin's Ukraine, the Warsaw
• 19:42
  Speaker 9: ghetto of males.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Greatly forward, Michael, what do you make of Bobcarr's comments?
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Well, Bob COUI used to be a friend of Israel
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: twenty odd years ago, but for reasons that people don't
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: quite understand, he's completely lost the plot. I mean a
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: decade ago in the Senate. By the way, he criticized
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: two of my older children who don't done a legal
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: internship with a law firm in Israel, and he attacked
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: them in the Senate. His obsession with Jews in Israel
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: now knows no limits. I mean, Bob, under the Great
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Leap forward, what twenty thirty forty fifty million people died
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: in China under Mausitoung. Bob's That's that's sick, my friend.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: You've completely lost the plot. I mean, I feel sorry
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: for Bob Carr quite frankly, that he's stooping to this level,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: destroying his credibility, destroying his legacy, making an art a
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: fool of himself, siding with these anti Jewish extremists and
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: using Hitler, Stalin and Mao to liken the Israeli Bob, Seriously,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: you're a sad figure, Bob. I feel very sorry for him,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: and that people still quote him and take him seriously.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: He shouldn't. He should the media shouln't approach him. He's
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: obviously not in a position these days to give Lucid
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: serious commentary about these issues the meat. He should leave
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: him alone. They're embarrassing him, and they know.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: That Stephen is Popcarr embarrassment to the Labor Party.
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: Well, it's certain embarrassment to himself. I mean, this is
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: a man who has been unable to criticize Hamas for
• 21:22
  Speaker 7: its brutal rape and torture and murderous excursion into Israel
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: from the day it happened, never criticized Hamas for it.
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: So he stands condemned for that, and even today that
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: your viewers be under no illusions. This war is being
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: prolonged because of Hamas's refusal to laid down of times
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: and surrender every other civilized And when you talk about civilizations,
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: all about the Germans when they surrendered, the Japanese when
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: they surrendered, they surrender it to spare the lives of
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: their people. Hamas are happy to fight to the last
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: drop of Palestinian blood in the Gazen Strip to promote
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: their own ends. So Bob Carr is just an embarrassment
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: to himself. However, can I just make this points. I
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: stand with all of the people in Israel who are
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: protesting and condemning net Nyaho for continuing this war. I
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: mean recently, the White House briefed out just last week
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: that net Yahoo was a madman for his attack on Syria.
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: And so when you've got the head of the Israeli
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: Army saying this war serves no purpose, when you have
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: an increasing number of Israeli Army reservists who are refusing
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: to turn up for duty, you have to start asking
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: what is net Nyahu doing. I will support Israel, the
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: state of Israel the right to protect itself like the
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: self defense the day I die, but that doesn't mean
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: I'm signed up to what netnyas doing in Israel. And
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: in this conflict right now, I.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Think what he's trying to do is utterly wipe out
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: every last remnant of Hamas and rescue the fifty hostages.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I think that's the point. Before we go a new
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: report from Wilson.
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: Why does the chief of the army, why does the
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: chief of the army in Israel let it be known
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: that he's told Netan Yahoo that there is no purpose
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: to this conflict going on, and that was a month
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: or two ago.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Well, I think there's obviously going to be a different
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: views within the Israeli military and government on which is
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: the best option for them. But the fact remains Israel
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: can't let any of Hamas remain, and they still have
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: to retrieve their fifty hostages.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: So I'm not sure that asking the mass nicely is.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Going to achieve that goal. They've got to take military action.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: There's no other option.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: And look, you know that, James, the answers hostages the Israeli.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: The Israelis know. The Israelis know where the hostages are, right,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: They're pretty smart, as we've seen in Iran. They know
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: where the hostages are. But the hostages, by all accounts,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: are surrounded by booby traps, weapons of all description, hum
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: US fighters and they said to the Israelis, you come
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: near the hostages, we will blow them all up. That's
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: why they're not getting the hostages out. That's why they
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: need Humas to agree to release them. Otherwise, how mus
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: is going to kill them all. Let's kill others in
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the in the tunnels over over the last two years
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: as we know. So that's why that's why Nityahu can't
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: go in and rescue the hostages, because he will be
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: rescuing dead bodies. That's what he'll be doing. Now.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: We can keep talking about this, but I'm afraid we've
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: run out of time. Stephen Conroy, Michael Kroger, always a
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: joy to speak to you both.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Well stick around because.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, Taiwan has asked if they
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: can join Australia next wargame exercise. That request obviously puts
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: our Prime Minister in an awkward position, Greg Sheridan, we'll
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: have more to say about that after the break.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the program.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi is under increasing pressure to recognize
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: a Palestinian state. You played down suggestions that Australia might
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: follow the lead of French President Emmanuel Macron, who said,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: you'll formerly recognize a Palestinian state at the next UN
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: General Assembly meeting in September. Look what we will do
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: is we'll make a decision based upon.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: The time. Is the time right now? Are we about
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: to imminently do that? No, we are not at the
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: General Assembly? Are we about to do that nowhere?
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Or not?
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Joining me now?
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Is The Australian's Foreign editor Greg Sheridan, Greg, thanks for
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: your time tonight. There's no doubt Albinezi wants to recognize
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: a Palestinian state. Ed Whosick came out today former Labor Minister,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: urging Elbanzi to do it immediately. How do you read
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the current situation and what factors will be driving the
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: PM's decision.
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: Well, James, I think you have to view this all
• 26:09
  Speaker 10: through the lens of domestic politics and especially managing the
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: left and managing the Labor Party, and also the current
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: worry that the government has of not having another bit
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: of trouble with the Trump administration. I think recognizing a
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: Palestinian state would be a mistake because actually actually the
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: PM spoke a lot of sense on that Sunday interview.
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: This was the best I've seen the PM for a
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: long time. He says, how can you guarantee that a
• 26:38
  Speaker 10: Palestinian state won't threaten Israel, that Hamas will have no role,
• 26:44
  Speaker 10: that there's a satisfactory peace process going. Well, I absolutely write, PM,
• 26:48
  Speaker 10: all of those things mean that you can only recognize
• 26:51
  Speaker 10: a Palestinian state when one comes into existence at the
• 26:54
  Speaker 10: end of a long, genuine negotiation with Israel. There's absolutely
• 26:59
  Speaker 10: no chance of such negotiation anytime soon. Therefore, it's a
• 27:03
  Speaker 10: kind of nonsensical proposition. It's just gesture. And the PM said,
• 27:07
  Speaker 10: we won't do just gesture. But the problem with this
• 27:10
  Speaker 10: government is that what it says on Monday bears no
• 27:12
  Speaker 10: relation to what it says on Tuesday, and that bears
• 27:15
  Speaker 10: no relation to what it says on Wednesday. I think, though,
• 27:18
  Speaker 10: the shorthand is he wants to want to see Trump
• 27:22
  Speaker 10: before he does it, and he'll probably do it when
• 27:25
  Speaker 10: Kirs Starman does it, will shelter under the skirts of
• 27:28
  Speaker 10: Great Britain and say, well, look if Great Britain can
• 27:31
  Speaker 10: do it, we'll do it too. It won't make any
• 27:33
  Speaker 10: contribution to peace in the Middle East. It just serves
• 27:36
  Speaker 10: to demonize Israel a bit. It's a useless proposition really.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I was fascinated to read today that Taiwan has requested
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: to be involved in any future military exercises with Australia
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: and our allies amid fears of an invasion from China.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Taiwan's Deputy Minister for Mainland Affairs confirm the request, saying
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: we hope Taiwan can have the opportunity to participate in
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: the joint military drills of the US, Australia, Philippines and Japan,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: even as an observer. This participation will be valuable. Greg
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: A couple of questions, Should Australia accept this request? And
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: how can the PM accept this request if he should,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: having just returned from China where he's very very cozy
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: with Jijinping, who I don't expect would be very happy
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: about this.
• 28:26
  Speaker 10: Look James. To be honest with you, I probably don't
• 28:28
  Speaker 10: think he should accept this request. In any event, it
• 28:31
  Speaker 10: would be something which all the participating nations would have
• 28:34
  Speaker 10: to agree with the United States, especially, but also Japan
• 28:38
  Speaker 10: and the Philippines. In a sense, the imperative for both
• 28:42
  Speaker 10: Taiwan and for Australia is not to get a visitor's
• 28:46
  Speaker 10: card at somebody else's exercises. It's actually to beef up
• 28:50
  Speaker 10: their own defense capabilities. I mean Taiwan itself as only
• 28:54
  Speaker 10: in the last few years started to really beef up
• 28:57
  Speaker 10: its own defense capabilities to make itself a pork you're pine,
• 29:00
  Speaker 10: very difficult for China to swallow. And Australia's defense spending,
• 29:05
  Speaker 10: of course is utterly pathetic two percent of GDP. Much
• 29:09
  Speaker 10: of that money wasted. We can barely sustain the weapons
• 29:13
  Speaker 10: we've got, and the service fleet we have is the
• 29:17
  Speaker 10: oldest and most decrepit we've ever had since World War Two,
• 29:20
  Speaker 10: and on and on and on. You can't even send
• 29:23
  Speaker 10: the ships to sea most of the time because you
• 29:25
  Speaker 10: can't crue them, you can't sustain them, you haven't got
• 29:27
  Speaker 10: fuel for them. So I mean the high blown diplomacy,
• 29:31
  Speaker 10: I mean Richard Marles in particular loves taking salutes from
• 29:34
  Speaker 10: foreign militaries and attending conferences and all the rest. But
• 29:39
  Speaker 10: we need to get some firepower. That's the It doesn't
• 29:42
  Speaker 10: matter who we exercise with. Have we got anything that
• 29:45
  Speaker 10: goes bang in the night that you know puts a
• 29:48
  Speaker 10: warhead on a target that goes bang and at the
• 29:50
  Speaker 10: moment we've got very very little of that.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: The Australian and UK officials you mentioned Richard Marles, they
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: met last week and agreed to a fifth year treaty
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: to ensure the orchest Pact remains in place. That, of
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: course comes amid the United States review of the whole deal.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: British Foreign Secretary David Lammy and Defense Secretary John Healy
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: also reaffirmed their commitment to the Indo Pacific region, saying
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: they'll always stand as the closest of allies with Australia.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: How significant is that fifty year treaty.
• 30:23
  Speaker 10: Look, it's a bit hard to interpret, honestly. I mean
• 30:26
  Speaker 10: one line of interpretation would be that it's really a
• 30:30
  Speaker 10: kind of a message to Trump and a lifeboat if
• 30:34
  Speaker 10: Trump sinks the sale of Virginias to Australia. I just
• 30:38
  Speaker 10: cannot see how America can sell any Virginias to Australia.
• 30:41
  Speaker 10: They're making one point one a year. They need to
• 30:44
  Speaker 10: be making two point three a year to have any
• 30:47
  Speaker 10: to sell to Australia. It takes seven years to build
• 30:49
  Speaker 10: a nuclear submarine, so we know how many they're going
• 30:52
  Speaker 10: to have in twenty thirty one, when they're supposed to
• 30:55
  Speaker 10: make the decision on selling the first one to Australia.
• 30:57
  Speaker 10: I mean, the mathematics, the arithmetic just seems to me
• 31:00
  Speaker 10: abundantly obvious that you just can't work. I'd love it
• 31:05
  Speaker 10: to work, but I don't see how it possibly can work.
• 31:07
  Speaker 10: So this is probably a way of saying, well, if
• 31:10
  Speaker 10: you don't do that, we'll still go ahead with the Brits. Now,
• 31:13
  Speaker 10: the Albanezi government, like the Morrison government before, it might
• 31:15
  Speaker 10: quite like that because that means we won't be building
• 31:18
  Speaker 10: any subs until the twenty forties or probably the twenty fifties.
• 31:22
  Speaker 10: So it's all becomes a kind of a fantasy land prospect.
• 31:25
  Speaker 10: Having said all that, the relationship with the Brits is
• 31:28
  Speaker 10: tremendously important, tremendously important. It's one of our most intimate relationships.
• 31:32
  Speaker 10: Britain remains a very important power. It's the sixth largest
• 31:36
  Speaker 10: economy in the world. It's got a permanent veto on
• 31:38
  Speaker 10: the United Nations Security Council, it is the biggest military
• 31:42
  Speaker 10: power in Western Europe, and we are brothers with Britain.
• 31:48
  Speaker 10: So that relationship is very important. But we ought to
• 31:51
  Speaker 10: be realistic Britain is not going to play a big
• 31:54
  Speaker 10: role in Indo Pacific security. It would help if we're
• 31:57
  Speaker 10: in trouble, it would help, but the help would be
• 31:59
  Speaker 10: quite margin. Once again, James, it comes back to this,
• 32:02
  Speaker 10: there's only one ally that really counts for US militarily,
• 32:05
  Speaker 10: and that's the United States. And there's only one country
• 32:08
  Speaker 10: whose behavior we can actually determine, and that's our own behavior.
• 32:11
  Speaker 10: So you know, it's great that the British Defense and
• 32:14
  Speaker 10: Foreign secretaries are here. They're very, very welcome visitors. But
• 32:18
  Speaker 10: if the Alberaneser government was remotely serious and the Morrison
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: and previous coalition governments would know better, they would be
• 32:26
  Speaker 10: on a big path of acquiring independent military capability for ourselves.
• 32:32
  Speaker 10: Taiwan's not going to defend this, Britain is not going
• 32:34
  Speaker 10: to defend this. The Americans probably will defend us, but
• 32:37
  Speaker 10: we shouldn't rely always on America doing everything for us. Psychologically,
• 32:43
  Speaker 10: we are the equivalent of the Afghan government before the
• 32:46
  Speaker 10: fall of Kabul. We just think the Americans will always
• 32:48
  Speaker 10: be there and they'll always take care of it, and
• 32:51
  Speaker 10: that's not good enough.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan, always appreciate your insights. Thanks for being with
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: me tonight, well as social media influencer who interviewed the
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: PM in the lead up to the election suggests casually
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: to her more than one million followers that maybe someone
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: should you assassinate the US president, but do you think
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: she'll be in trouble for it? And Victoria's new police
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: chief is called Melbourne the protest capital of Australia. I
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: hope he's not expecting the Labor government to help him
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: change that.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: All of that coming up in just a moment.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Well, welcome to tonight's edition of Social Media Influencers Say
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: the Darndest Things. This episode features Australia's own Abby Chatfield,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: former Bachelor contestant and current left wing podcasting oracle, who
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: has taken to TikTok in what appears to vaguely but
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: not so vaguely, encourage someone to assassinate Donald Trump. The
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Sydney based social media personality who rose to prominence by
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: failing to find love on national television and has since
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: pivoted to shouting progressive slogans into a microphone, posted this
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: video Americans.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: When are you going to do it? Why isn't already.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: You?
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: Every day there's another happening right awful for your kind,
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: true awful.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Right, Why don't we redirect this energy to something else?
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: You know, there's always in cells that are going, Oh
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: so they go.
• 34:20
  Speaker 10: And do you know what would actually make people respect
• 34:24
  Speaker 10: you a little bit and maybe you is if you.
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: Did it is if you did it, you get heaps.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: Of fan mail.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh my god, just do it now.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: She didn't mention Trump by name, of course, that would
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: require spine and possibly legal consequences.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Instead, she let the context, the tone.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: And her TikTok smirk do the heavy lifting, not to
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: mention the hand gestures subtle. It was a kind of
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: thinly veiled call to violence that we've triggered a full
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: blown investigation if it had from a conservative, but because
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: this was Abbi Chatfield, patron saint of online overshare and
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: host of the ironically titled podcast It's a Lot.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Sure is we're.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Supposed to see this as just quirky political commentary, but
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: it's important to remember that Chatfield isn't just any social
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: media loud mouth. She's got one point two million followers
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: across Instagram and TikTok. This is the same Abbi Chatfield
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: who sat down with a prime Minister Anthony Albanezi on
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: her podcast earlier this year to discuss climate change, women's rights,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: and how crystals can be used to cure voter apathy. Right,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: that last part wasn't true, but these days it could
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: have been. My point is if a conservative media personality
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: had posted a clip like that, vaguely but not so vaguely,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: sort of absolutely suggesting that someone should do it to
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Joe Biden or Kamala Harris, they'd be banned from every platform,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: docksed by breakfast, and probably added to the AZH watchlist
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: by lunch. But Abbi Chatfield, well, she's a progressive and
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: she was only inciting violence against a Republican so the
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: standard rules don't apply, do they. She can insinuate murder
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: on a Monday and be back promoting Oat Milt by Wednesday.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: So this is where we're at. A former reality star.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Makes casual references to political murder online and nobody blinks
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: because how she once talked about women's rights with elbow
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Joining me now is history lecturer and author Stephen Shavra
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: and Sky News' host freyer Leach. Stephen, I just mentioned
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: it before, but if someone on the right posted something
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: like this, there'd be protests in the street.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: What do you think?
• 36:33
  Speaker 11: Oh, absolutely right, and probably Julian and Grant would be
• 36:36
  Speaker 11: trying to shut down their social media accounts.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: But you know, we hear a lot.
• 36:41
  Speaker 11: Of talk these days about toxic masculinity. But when I
• 36:45
  Speaker 11: watch this video with Aby Chatfield, I saw a very
• 36:49
  Speaker 11: devious mind at work, a very devious form of femcraft,
• 36:53
  Speaker 11: if you might call it, because she specifically talks to
• 36:57
  Speaker 11: the in cells.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Now, the in cells are a group.
• 36:59
  Speaker 11: Of young men who are disaffected in life because they
• 37:02
  Speaker 11: can't get women to sleep with them. They're very often
• 37:05
  Speaker 11: men who have autism or other mental health issues. They
• 37:08
  Speaker 11: are a well known demographic, and they can engage in violence.
• 37:11
  Speaker 11: So what she's literally said to them is, hey, guys,
• 37:15
  Speaker 11: there's this guy that I really despise, or she's really
• 37:18
  Speaker 11: hinted at this, anyway, there's this person I really despise.
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  Speaker 11: Do something about it. Do something about this guy, and
• 37:25
  Speaker 11: you'll get what you want. You really want women, if
• 37:28
  Speaker 11: you do what I'm suggesting you do, you'll get exactly
• 37:31
  Speaker 11: what you want. That is a very devious way of thinking.
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: I mean, if this is not a kind of toxic femininity,
• 37:38
  Speaker 11: I don't know what is now. Of course, in a
• 37:40
  Speaker 11: few days time after the pylon, Abby Chatfield is going
• 37:43
  Speaker 11: to cry victim. She's going to cry and everyone's going
• 37:46
  Speaker 11: to forgive her and forget about and everything o this.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: But people should not.
• 37:48
  Speaker 11: Overlook the very devious thing that she did in this video.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: It's a really insightful take on it. Very good, all right,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: just victorious. Police Chief Mike Bush has proclaimed Melbourne the
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: protest capital of Australia and I don't think either of
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: you are going to disagree with me on that one.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: He told The Herald's Son quote there's a real social
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: question here about social cohesion and polarization, And of course
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: he's not wrong. I think the reason is pretty simple,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: and it's the Victorian labor government. When they're not stoking division,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: promoting treaties based on race, they're giving tacit approval to
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: social unrest. Case in point, Sunday's anti Israel protest outside
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: the National Gallery. Why the outrage, Well, the gallery receives
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: funding from a couple of Jewish donors. Apparently that's a
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: big crime. In fact, that was all the reason needed
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: for a mob of about one thousand protesters to descend
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  Speaker 2: on the gallery, clashing with police and sending the gallery
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: into lockdown. Parents with children who planned a quiet day
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: at the gallery needed a police escort to leave the building.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: So how do you think the Victorian Labor government would
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: react to yesterday's events? Multicultural Minister ingrid Stit defended the protesters.
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  Speaker 4: In Victoria.
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  Speaker 1: People do have the right to protest peacefully, and the
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: vast majority of people do protest peacefully.
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  Speaker 2: Except the protesters in question were so worked up that
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: the Public Order Response Team, along with mounted police, had
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: to be called to keep the peace. Protesters yelled at
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: police that they were scumbags, at one point surrounding a
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: police van so for about five minutes it couldn't move,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: and the Multiculturalism Minister was asked repeatedly whether the activist's
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: behavior on Sunday was appropriate or respectful, and she simply
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: refused to answer.
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  Speaker 9: Look, I mean these are operational matters for vic Pole
• 39:43
  Speaker 9: to respond to.
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  Speaker 3: Freyer.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: If Victoria's new police chief is expecting the Victorian government
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: to help him bring about social cohesion, I reckon he's
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: going to be very, very.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Wrong, and this is the problem.
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  Speaker 8: I feel bad for the Victorian police in this situation.
• 40:02
  Speaker 8: Because they are not being given the powers by the
• 40:05
  Speaker 8: Victorian government or the orders of the Mandate to actually
• 40:09
  Speaker 8: deal with these protesters effectively. And let's be clear what
• 40:13
  Speaker 8: happened over the weekend, one thousand pro Palestinian protesters mobbed
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: the art gallery because it had been funded by Jewish philanthropists.
• 40:23
  Speaker 8: The Gandal Foundation has given over one hundred and fifty
• 40:26
  Speaker 8: million dollars over almost the last fifty years to various
• 40:30
  Speaker 8: causes in Australia, and ironically, a lot of their funding
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: has gone to the arts, to indigenous programs, to areas
• 40:39
  Speaker 8: that I'm sure a lot of these protesters get money
• 40:42
  Speaker 8: from and are involved in. But because they're Jews, they
• 40:46
  Speaker 8: take them with this brush and they protest against them.
• 40:48
  Speaker 8: They also use this language. They said there was a
• 40:51
  Speaker 8: secret meeting of Zionis going on in the gallery. I
• 40:55
  Speaker 8: mean that sort of conspiratorial language implying some sort of
• 40:59
  Speaker 8: secret Jewish lobby or group is antisemitic. And it's about
• 41:04
  Speaker 8: time the Victorian government gruesome balls and actually called it out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah very well, said right, we've got about a minute
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: left before we go to a break. I just want
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: to quickly get a take from each of you on
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: the Queensland government's plan for a radical new boot camp
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: style program to tackle the state's youth crime crisis. It's
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: called a Regional Reset program in nine locations across the state,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: focusing on children most at risk of offending steven boot
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: camp for juvenile offenders.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Good idea or doom to failure.
• 41:39
  Speaker 11: It's hard to see it working. I mean, this is
• 41:41
  Speaker 11: a serious problem. We've got about eight hundred and seventy
• 41:44
  Speaker 11: thousand young people in Australia who are growing up without
• 41:46
  Speaker 11: a father. Over one in six kids are growing up
• 41:49
  Speaker 11: without a father. This is often a father absence issue.
• 41:52
  Speaker 11: We need to particularly boys, we need to get them
• 41:54
  Speaker 11: doing things. And in this modern world, what is there
• 41:57
  Speaker 11: to do left other than scroll on a phone. This
• 42:00
  Speaker 11: is a very very deep issue. I would like to
• 42:02
  Speaker 11: think that this might help. I doubt that it will,
• 42:05
  Speaker 11: and I don't know that in society we've even got
• 42:07
  Speaker 11: the words or the institutions left to be able to
• 42:09
  Speaker 11: solve this kind of problem.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go to a break freyer just in
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: fifteen seconds. Good idea, definitely worth a try.
• 42:17
  Speaker 8: They have to do something, get kids off screens and
• 42:20
  Speaker 8: into the real world. Sounds like a good idea.
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Well, thanks to both of you and Freyer will see
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: you on the Late Debate at ten pm tonight.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: Thank you to both of you.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Well stick around after the break. The UK government threatens
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: people smugglers with harsh penalties if they try to smuggle
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: too many people into the country, and women are thrown
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: out of a women's darts tournament for noticing that one
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: of the competitors was not in fact a woman.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Tom Slater joins me next.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: In a stunning act of bureaucratic bravery, the UK government
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: has announced it will get serious about illegal immigration by
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: making it extra illegal to put too many illegal migrants
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: on a single boat.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Yep, you heard me right.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Under bold new legislation currently paddling its way through Parliament,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: it will soon be a criminal offense to squeeze eighty
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: or more illegals into a Rubbadinghi on their way to
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Britain's Benefits Office. Home Secretary of At Cooper has bravely
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: announced her intention to prosecute people smugglers for smuggling people
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: without regard for workplace health and safety regulations. And here
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: I was thinking the problem with legal immigration was you
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: know well that it was illegal but clearly the real
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: issue is vessel etiquette. The Labor government will expand the
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Endangering Lives at Sea offense to capture people smugglers who
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: smuggle too many people. A Home Office official warned, if
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: the smuggling gangs keep cramming ninety to one hundred people
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: into these flimsy vessels, it's only a matter of time
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: before the bottom falls out. Indeed, much like the UK's
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: immigration policy, Joining me Now, as Spiked Online ed of
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: to Tom Slater, Tom I thought the best way to
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: stop illegal migrants dying at sea was to stop boats,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: not regulate the seating.
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  Speaker 12: No, absolutely, James, you took the words straight out of
• 44:02
  Speaker 12: my mouth when you said that this is a curiously
• 44:04
  Speaker 12: kind of health and safety solution to this problem. Like
• 44:08
  Speaker 12: the idea that if we limit the number of people
• 44:10
  Speaker 12: who can go on these boats, if we give them
• 44:12
  Speaker 12: all a hard hat and a high viz jacket, that
• 44:14
  Speaker 12: that will make the whole problem go away. It's obviously absurd.
• 44:18
  Speaker 12: The issue is the existence of this trade in general.
• 44:21
  Speaker 12: It has been a problem recently that the boats have
• 44:23
  Speaker 12: been getting bigger and bigger. Even about five years ago,
• 44:26
  Speaker 12: these dinghies would have maybe half a dozen people on them.
• 44:29
  Speaker 12: There was a boat a couple of weeks ago and
• 44:31
  Speaker 12: almost almost one hundred people, including some young children. So
• 44:34
  Speaker 12: clearly the problem is getting worse. But it's not for
• 44:37
  Speaker 12: a lack of government regulation of how many people you're
• 44:39
  Speaker 12: allowed on a boat. It's the fact that this vile
• 44:41
  Speaker 12: trade has been allowed to exist for so long, making
• 44:44
  Speaker 12: a mockery of an immigration policy and putting people at risk.
• 44:46
  Speaker 12: We should always remember, so more tinkering around the edges,
• 44:50
  Speaker 12: more health and safety legislation is obviously not the answer.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: All right, And I want to ask you about a
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: darts competition. I'm not into darts per se, but is
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: fascinated by what occurred when women were thrown out of
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: the women's World Matchplay darts tournament while a man identifying
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: as a woman competed. Three women wearing save women's sports
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: shirts were forcibly removed for the unspeakable crime of pointing
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: out that the in the women's division was in.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Fact a biological man.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Security acted swiftly, I guess, because nothing threatens the integrity
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: of women's darts quite like a woman saying it should
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: be for women. Have a look at what happened, Tom
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: welcome to modern darts, where biological men throw darts in
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: the women's comp and women get thrown out for noticing.
• 45:57
  Speaker 12: Absolutely, And you don't have to know a lot about darts. No,
• 45:59
  Speaker 12: it's not particularly politically correct sport in terms of people
• 46:02
  Speaker 12: who tend to play it and the people who tend
• 46:03
  Speaker 12: to watch it. So the fact that this has been
• 46:04
  Speaker 12: allowed to happen is ridiculous. I mean, women have seen
• 46:08
  Speaker 12: their sports, all sorts of areas of life colonized by men.
• 46:12
  Speaker 12: In this instance, this Dutch darts player who is a
• 46:16
  Speaker 12: man playing in the women's category. And I think what
• 46:20
  Speaker 12: we're seeing now, particularly after the Supreme Court ruling that
• 46:22
  Speaker 12: we had in this country, particularly after all the strides
• 46:24
  Speaker 12: that's been made by women's rights campaigners in recent years,
• 46:27
  Speaker 12: they're just not going to put up with this anymore.
• 46:29
  Speaker 12: You've seen it in relation to women's spaces, we see
• 46:31
  Speaker 12: it in relation to women's sports, and I think it's
• 46:34
  Speaker 12: just enough is enough. Most a lot of sporting bodies
• 46:36
  Speaker 12: are catching up with this now. Darts and a few
• 46:38
  Speaker 12: others are a little bit slower to realize that they
• 46:41
  Speaker 12: need to change policy. But I think it's only a
• 46:43
  Speaker 12: matter of time because you're going to see more protests
• 46:45
  Speaker 12: like this the longer this absurd fast continues.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Just the vision of those women being frog marched out
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: screaming it's a man, it's a man.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: Shut up.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: You've got to get out of here before anyone. Here's
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: what you're saying. Just unbelievable.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Quickly before we go, Chinese authorities are apparently offering big
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: cash rewards to anyone in the UK who helps them
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: arrest pro democracy activists living in Britain.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: We've got just over a minute left. Have I got
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: that right? Is that what is going on?
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: No?
• 47:15
  Speaker 12: Absolutely, and the government have obviously condemned this in terms
• 47:18
  Speaker 12: of the attempt to you know, spirit these people away,
• 47:22
  Speaker 12: to kind of give financial incentives to people to give
• 47:24
  Speaker 12: information on them which might lead to their capture. But
• 47:27
  Speaker 12: as ever, labor haven't really got a leg to stand on.
• 47:29
  Speaker 12: They've been increasingly chumming up to Beijing. They approved a
• 47:33
  Speaker 12: Chinese super embassy that's going to be built in London,
• 47:36
  Speaker 12: and yet they kind of feigned surprise when they realize
• 47:39
  Speaker 12: that the CCP controlled government now in Hong Kong is
• 47:42
  Speaker 12: doing things like this. So good to see the condemnation.
• 47:44
  Speaker 12: It'd be better to see a much tougher stance in
• 47:46
  Speaker 12: relation to this kind of thing.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: What stance will they take? What I mean, what are
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: they going to do about it?
• 47:53
  Speaker 12: Probably very little. I mean, the government is very good,
• 47:56
  Speaker 12: the Forest Sectory is very good about issuing condemnatory public statement,
• 48:00
  Speaker 12: are putting out press releases. When it comes to actually
• 48:02
  Speaker 12: trying to curb the influence of CCP authoritarianism in this country, again,
• 48:06
  Speaker 12: it's always very lacking reports of, you know, effectively kind
• 48:09
  Speaker 12: of secret police stations being set up in the UK
• 48:12
  Speaker 12: in order to persecute even mainline Chinese dissidents who are
• 48:16
  Speaker 12: here or Hong Kong is. We've got one hundred and
• 48:17
  Speaker 12: fifty thousand who came over since the crackdown began in
• 48:20
  Speaker 12: Hong Kong. But again I think because obviously many countries
• 48:24
  Speaker 12: have to do business with China, you don't have to
• 48:26
  Speaker 12: bend over backwards though, which is something that often happens
• 48:28
  Speaker 12: as we know, with these kinds of things.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Very very curious, Tom, thanks for joining me tonight, and
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: that's all I've got time for receiving. I'll be back
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: tomorrow night, but stick around. Coming up right now is
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Sharry hosted by my good friend Deniko and Georgio, good night,