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Roblox, Olympus, and Social Media: The Most Anticipated Trials of 2026 · The Jon and Marc Podcast

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  So here we are, maybe everybody follow along till the October
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  version and we'll see what happens.
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  But yeah, down on the streets everybody has I'd say a renew
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  and refreshed energy is kind of going on.
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  We're, we're seeing a lot of new torts out there that are people
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  starting to get involved with. I think part of that's the flow
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  of capital coming into the market.
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  So we had, you know, the private equity era, which might be done
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  and tighten up a little bit, but a lot of people who had money
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  tied up in years from hernia mesh or even Zantac, CPAP all
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  getting payments. So now that's being reinvested
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  in some of these new cases, and that's what I think a lot of
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  people are excited about so far. What are the new cases?
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  Yeah. So the new ones we've talked
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  about a little bit, but we have Dupixent, we had the Olympic
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  scopes, we have the social media, the video game.
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  Those are probably the ones that people are talking about the
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  most. And then a little bit more
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  mature is Depo Provera. So we got that one on the rocket
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  docket, but there's still time to get involved with that.
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  So a year ago, none of those five were really on anybody's
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  radar, and that's what everybody's kind of getting
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  involved with now. Yeah, I would say a year ago the
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  mood was very somber. There wasn't a lot of new things
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  popping up. A lot of people, like you said,
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  had money tied up, no energy, no momentum really.
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  But there's definitely some buzz going around.
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  I can. I can feel the energy is a lot
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  higher right now. Yeah, it's, it's more exciting,
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  more positive, like you're saying.
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  And you know, we had some huge verdicts and huge wins.
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  So that always helps, right? Social media, The NEC trial.
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  There's the opioid settlement that just happened to.
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  Yeah, that was a big one for a lot of people, 750 million.
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  And then hopefully we're going to maybe be able to break this
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  stalemate in talc, which is the longest running 1 supposed to be
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  trying to get some of these bellwether trials scheduled.
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  So I think hope might be the, you know, theme of this one and
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  there's some good opportunities to get involved.
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  So if you guys want to get into each one of those, we can kind
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  of talk a little bit about the lay of the land and what
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  everybody sees with those. I definitely want to talk about
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  those, but also I think right now there's the Roblox session
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  or coming up very shortly is the Roblox session.
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  And prior to the start of MTMP there was a meeting in New
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  Orleans. So you know what happened there.
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  No, I I don't know what happened.
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  There, I don't have the full details on it, but I know that
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  it has brought some additional concerns into the to the
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  litigation also open some things up.
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  I think the CEO was there or there was just discussions with
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  the CEO, but I don't think through a game of telephone
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  because I wasn't there. I, I think what it sounds like
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  is it's going to be a longer battle than people had thought.
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  And and I could see that, right? And you know, going into these
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  cases, we always think it's going to be quick, easy money.
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  But these huge companies, they have unlimited resources and a
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  tactic we've seen deploying now is not only stretch out the
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  litigation, stretch out the payment, right Roundup.
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  They're talking about 20 years for payment.
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  People are. Going to be dead before they see
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  that money. Yeah, we, we saw it in the three
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  on ear plug. They're they're paying over 10
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  years on some of the cases. So that's part of it.
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  But Roblox definitely is implementing changes we saw
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  they're going to be implementing.
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  They announced that this week or last week.
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  A couple days ago. Requirements for the age
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  verification maybe under 8 or 9 and then 9 to 15.
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  So what they're doing really there is limiting the liability
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  for future cases, right? So they're not doing that to
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  settle these cases today. They're doing it to shut off
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  these future cases. So what we said they did wrong,
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  so they're correcting each one of those mistakes in these
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  updates, which shows obviously they could have done it and
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  should have done it years ago. But now it's it's like a product
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  manufacturer has the new product on the market and that's what
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  they're doing. So they'll know OK, after we get
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  through this wave of cases, we're not going to run into
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  these similar problems. So it's going to be a long
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  fight. I don't see that docket
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  exploding into 10,000 or so. I think, you know, maybe a
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  couple thousand we'll end up with.
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  What was very interesting about Roblox, we learned because we
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  sat with Jess Herman from Simply Convert and Tor Herman Law, and
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  they had developed a, a way to actually pull someone's activity
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  history from Roblox based on the username.
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  And she showed us after we got done filming that episode, Like
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  the detail that they're able to grab on the front end when
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  someone signs up the claim. It's super interesting.
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  Like now that you're dealing with platforms versus having to
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  go get someone's medical. Records you're pulling in via
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  their login you're scraping or using an API that exists to get
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  all the data you need for the litigation.
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  They could tell what experiences they were in, they could tell
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  like how long they were there. They could tell who they
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  interacted with. No, Granted, like Roblox is
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  going to say, a lot of those like the the sexual assault
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  allegations happened on other platforms.
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  They moved to Discord or they moved to Snapchat.
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  But still you have a lot more data points than you would have
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  in other types of litigations. Yeah, and we see that too and
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  video game addiction and the social media addiction that that
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  footprints there, you know, and we can get it as opposed to
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  having like you said, send out the request for the records to
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  get it. We can get that kind upfront.
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  So I I think roadblocks, there's some excitement.
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  I think that might be more of a kind of sophisticated mess
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  toward that's not going to be a case somebody's going to come in
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  and get 10 or 20. That's going to be really run by
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  the firms that know how to handle those tougher cases.
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  It's a good case if you can get it, but I wouldn't recommend
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  everybody listening to us right now to jump into Roblox.
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  It's it's a harder, more complex case than the typical medical
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  device. Ozempic, Depo, Provera, those
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  are cookie cutter almost compared to that.
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  So out of the ones that that you mentioned previously, which of
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  those are you most excited about and why?
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  Yeah, I think, right. Social media addiction, right?
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  We, we had the great verdict and they're making changes to the
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  platform. That's the one most people are
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  excited about. And I think there's 10,000 cases
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  there. There easily could be 100,000
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  cases out there. So the numerosity is their
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  framework for trial is there, there's more trial scheduled.
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  So that's the number one. Still everybody's most excited
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  about it. The ones I mentioned that I
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  think on the other end of the spectrum is that Dupixent case,
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  right? We've talked about it before,
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  good case, good signs, but like how many cases are there really
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  going to be? You know, could we get 1002
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  thousand cases maybe, but we're not going to get over that
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  10,000 threshold or 50,000 like Tau or 100,000 like Roundup.
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  So I would say social media addiction, it's a little bit
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  more mature. And then the brand new one, I
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  know you've spoke to some people about the Olympus one, right?
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  The, the new morosity is there. The science is going to be
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  there. It's a big defendant.
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  So I, I think that's another one people are trying to get
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  involved with. There was a good session here
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  earlier today about that. If anyone's interested in
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  learning more about that, watch our full episode where we sat
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  down with Kelsey Stokes. We went through the entire
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  litigation. What they've learned already
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  from the experts. What Olympus has or has not done
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  to try and stave off these cases.
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  But yeah, you're you're, you are very correct here The, the
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  numerosity absolutely is there. She said 85 to 90% of the market
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  share is Olympus. So effectively anyone who had an
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  endoscopy, A colonoscopy because.
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  Usually the Achilles heel for the product like litigations and
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  is that no one knows what's inside them.
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  They could have been. There's a wide use of an ankle
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  implant or a mesh. It's hard to figure out which
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  one they had because no one freaking knows until after you
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  pull medical records. But yeah, now there's an 85 to
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  90% chance. Yeah, and it's similar kind of
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  idea with Bear Hugger, which is flying under the radar.
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  But when you have a manufacturer like 3 M who dominates the
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  market and has 8590%, you know, going into it, you have that
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  upper hand. It's almost like being able to
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  go in and pour the data, you know, from the roadblocks or
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  from the video game addiction platforms to have that first
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  level of proof, you know, before you go and invest in the case.
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  So that's one that's going to be around a lot.
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  We don't have the JPML yet. I know the Dupixent ones
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  pending. I think there's about 2530 cases
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  filed in the whole country right now.
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  So that that will probably get granted.
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  But like I said, I don't think everybody here is going to get
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  in on that case. But anybody who has roundup
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  cases, go through your roundup cases, right?
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  That type of NHL T cell, that's a subtype that you're going to
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  have clients in there. So that's a good resource to
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  mine your data, find those clients, see if they use
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  Dupixent, If you have a decent roundup inventory, you'll come
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  across, come with them. But going out marketing on your
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  own to get those, it's going to be a little bit more
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  challenging. You've leaned into working with
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  Pi attorneys and helping them identify cases that are just
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  sitting there from their existing docket.
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  That is one I think that is a good one for them to start
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  looking at doing that with. That's something I noticed here
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  too, right. So instead of at the conference,
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  the private equity money, I think we're seeing kind of that
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  rebirth that the Pi firms trying to get involved in mass stores
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  and trying to learn. So that was something I noticed
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  a little bit different on the floor and some people mentioned
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  it. It was new faces, right?
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  We, we've been going to these conferences for a while.
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  We've seen the people time and time and time again.
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  But here there's kind of the influx of that single event Pi
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  firms and there's a lot of cases they're just sitting on.
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  They're sitting on Olympus cases, they're sitting on
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  Dupixent cases, they're sitting on social media addiction cases,
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  like they're just sitting right there.
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  They just need to know what to look for.
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  But they have that relationship with the existing client base
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  who know, like and trust them. They can send out an e-mail
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  blast. They can get those cases pretty
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  easily and get involved. I was hanging out and walking
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  through the casino with the person who's been in the
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  industry for a really long time. I'm going to leave them out for
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  for their sake, but they're like, this is the one of the
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  first times I've seen so many new faces.
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  They're like usually I just run in to talk to the same old
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  people every time. He's like, this is a lot of new
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  faces here that I don't recognize.
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  I think that could be a good thing, right?
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  We've seen some change in the the marketing space and the
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  lending space and some of the bad alpha was maybe are no
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  longer around. You know, some of the people who
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  are doing maybe bad things or didn't have the best product or
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  the best service, they're no longer around.
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  So I think the people who are here, kind of the foundational
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  players are really solid, and that's why it's beneficial when
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  we get these new people coming in.
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  It's kind of all good actors working together, but they
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  brought some good new energy to the conference.
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  Yeah, for all those cases that you spoke about, for anyone who
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  is interested in getting into any of those litigations, wants
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  to know how to go about mining their data, sending those
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  emails, definitely reach out to Joe.
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  He just touched like the little tip of the iceberg on on what he
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  can help you with. But I'm sure, Joe, you're happy
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  to talk to anyone who wants to reach out to you, right?
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  Yeah, just reach out to me, happy to go over it, share, you
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  know, case criteria, what we're doing to get the information on
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  these people. But there's a lot of clients out
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  there that need help and these firms that are just getting
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  involved, like that's an easy way to get involved instead of,
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  you know, maybe go and spending 100,200 thousand.
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  I know that could be a little risky or overwhelming.
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  The cases that people are acquiring now at scale, we did
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  have a big shift. We started talking about this
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  right before we went live. The social media addiction
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  cases, we had that that announcement that I believe was
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  Axiom that broke the news. And Meta actually made a public
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  comment, right? They said that we're not going
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  to allow lawyers to target users to try and acquire new cases
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  against Meta through the platform.
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  And you said that people were talking about that downstairs.
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  Yeah, definitely. People have gotten banned,
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  right, their accounts on Facebook and that's very
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  concerning. But people were saying that what
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  they've seen is maybe targeting other platforms on Meta.
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  So if you're on there maybe targeting people who had
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  problems with snap or TikTok and then being able to acquire them
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  and sign them up and maybe some of those people crossover and
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  then fit that demographic. So you know, when you're signing
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  somebody up for Roblox, do run them through the criteria for
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  video game addiction, run them through the criteria for social
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  media addiction. It's kind of that cross
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  pollination and and you'll be able to get some clients.
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  So that was a move. I think Mark, you said you saw
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  it coming five years ago. Took them a little bit longer to
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  get there. I'm sure they've made hundreds
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  of millions of dollars off of the attorneys marketing.
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  Yep. So they're not that upset about
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  it, but we probably saw it coming.
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  You, you were the first one I think I saw mention it.
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  Everybody's not surprised, but there's other ways and that's
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  why it's so important to have other channels to get cases
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  right. You got to get them from
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  referrals. Existing clients like that costs
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  nothing. Meta, you got to do videos, you
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  got to be on SEO there. There's a lot of different
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  channels out there because if one gets shut off you, you could
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  be in trouble if you're depending upon it 100%.
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  Yeah, that definitely being channel agnostic in your
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  approach and not working, you know, only in one single lane
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  and hoping that that works forever because you can see
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  Facebook can shut off that's the faucet anytime that they want.
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  We do have an actual trial going on right now.
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  I think it's the the third Uber bellwether they just finished.
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  Is it a defense pick or plaintiff pick?
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  I think this is a defense pick. They they just did jury
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  selection. They literally just started.
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  So in in North Carolina, we've gotten some favorable ruling so
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  far about the common carrier in addition to this trial there.
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  There's been indications in some of the court filings that other
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  cases are being settled outside of the bellwether picks.
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  So we're not talking about firm inventory and we're not talking
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  about global yet. But in some of the court
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  filings, if you pay attention, you see that there have been
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  settlements and some of these maybe upcoming bellwether cases.
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  So Ubers positioning changed totally from fight, fight,
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  fight, fight. Then we got the first verdict.
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  And if we can get a second one here, I mean, that's going to
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  have great impact. And just remember, it's not just
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  Uber there, there's off of the lift litigation that's coming up
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  too. Same players from the plaintiff
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  side. We have the road map for that.
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  So if we can get a good verdict in this Uber second, well, third
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  trial 2 for US1 for Uber, that will go a long way.
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  And then I think that the next trial is at the next week, I
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  guess the, the power port 1 is going to be kicking off.
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  So a lot of people said about that.
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  There's about a little over 3000 ish cases filed there.
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  Just from an attorney's perspective, people might have
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  been a little squeamish of that case because we, we didn't have
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  like the best result previously in IVC filters, which was barred
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  big defendant similar type theory.
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  So if we could win that one, that would go a long way.
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  But we'll we'll see how it turns out.
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  I, I think some of the rulings have been positive.
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  I know good trial team, good attorneys, but it's going to
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  come down to what the jury says. And even if we win it, you know,
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  there's 3000 cases. Could we double it to 6000?
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  But I don't see it going to that 10,000 threshold, do you?
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  I think it depends on like the, the injuries that wind up, you
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  know, being the, the ones that really wind up being targeted.
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  Like you talked about the comparisons to IVC, like I, I
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  understand obviously it's like a, it's an intravenous device,
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  but it's much more complex than a standard IVC filter, right,
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  where it just breaks. You're talking about things that
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  can like completely move and they're much bigger than a
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  standard IVC filter. So I've liked that case from the
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  beginning. I thought the science was good
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  and like you said, great team behind it.
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  Rebecca Phillips. Yeah, fantastic.
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  So I was saying, yeah, it's like Bard, same defendant, we're in
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  the same court, the same kind of theories overall.
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  So, so we knew the law of the land a little bit.
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  The science is probably a little bit better, but we see these
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  cases time and time again. Another example is Mirena IUD,
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  which we did 810 years ago now it's the Paragard IUD.
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  So it's kind of akin to that. These things come around and
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  what's good for the plaintiffs is, you know, we can learn and
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  we're constantly learning on what may be mistakes we made
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  during the litigation or how to really get that pertinent
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  information. So that's the process for the
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  plaintiffs. It's just kind of keep trying,
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  keep pushing them forward, but everybody's excited about the
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  trial dates, should get some good verdicts there.
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  And with some of these legacy towards maybe wrapping up, it's
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  this kind of era of hope and this new energy coming into the
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  space was I think will be good for everybody.
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  I also saw this past week, I'm sitting at home and I'm watching
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  TV and I saw what initially appeared to be an ad for Roundup
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  and it wasn't an ad, an attorney ad.
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  What it was was the court that was advertising the website
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  based on the proposed settlement.
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  It looked just like you know the the relatively low budget right
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  stock footage you. Guys know what those commercials
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  look like? I went to the website and you
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  get there and it's not even all set up yet.
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  It's like a holding site. And I don't know if they're
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  testing to see like the effectiveness of the ads that
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  they're running. But anyone who's still acquiring
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  Roundup cases, like they need to be aware that, you know, that
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  they are now not only competing with other attorneys looking for
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  those cases and they're competing with the court that's
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  trying to get people to go directly into the settlement.
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  Right. Yeah.
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  So maybe not exactly the the court advertisement it would be,
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  I think it's on behalf of the proposed class action or
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  something is the fine line at the bottom.
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  So that's likely paid for by the the firms and leadership on the
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  plaintiff side who filed the defense attorneys as well, kind
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  of like a joint effort there. So I've seen those commercials.
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  I'm hearing a lot of radio advertisements.
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  Actually. I don't know if you heard any of
• 19:21
  those. I got to listen to the radio
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  first before I hear radio. Advertisements about about the
• 19:26
  settlement so in Philadelphia it's it's huge on the radio top
• 19:30
  dogs everywhere. James does a great job.
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  He he raps and sings for us. But these other.
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  Former guest on the John Mark podcast.
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  Great episodes. You'd watch it.
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  Yeah, James James is a good guy, amazing with marketing, that's
• 19:41
  for sure. But I usually hear his
• 19:44
  commercials, but they they started playing the roundup
• 19:46
  settlement commercials. So the opt out deadlines October
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  4th. So if anybody's got any cases,
• 19:52
  you want to opt out, need a wet signature by October 4th.
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  And there's a process on the website to upload it.
• 19:59
  We have the hearing coming up, the oral argument.
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  I think it's April 27th in the roundup in the Supreme Court.
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  There's a lot happening there. People are still getting cases.
• 20:11
  I don't know if that's the best investment right now, but there
• 20:14
  there's cases out there. I'm still getting a bunch of
• 20:16
  them. As you get towards the end of
• 20:18
  any of these litigations, like yes, they're going to be more
• 20:20
  competitive to acquire. Yes, they're going to be more
• 20:22
  expensive, but if you get one, the path is much clearer.
• 20:25
  Yeah. And the timeline to payment is
• 20:27
  less so you know a lot always going on in mass torts, but we
• 20:32
  are in kind of the upswing. So I think it's got a good
• 20:36
  energy out there. So I, I think it's been a good
• 20:39
  conference overall. Some positive feedback.
• 20:41
  We've been stopped by multiple people that love our Tor Talk
• 20:44
  segment who listen to it every week for the updates.
• 20:47
  They had questions about the power rankings.
• 20:49
  They had questions about individual episodes.
• 20:52
  They like that it's a nice tight 10 minutes, the best 10 minutes
• 20:56
  in all of mass torts every week to get the updates.
• 20:59
  A lot of people, a lot of positive feedback, Joe.
• 21:01
  Good. Well, I'm glad to do this with
• 21:03
  you guys. People do love the tour talks.
• 21:06
  Everybody talks to me about it. So it's good to share what what
• 21:10
  we're saying. And we got a unique perspective
• 21:13
  from me handling the cases and you guys kind of doing the
• 21:15
  marketing, seeing what people are into.
• 21:18
  It's a good blend to give people this honest advice because
• 21:22
  there's plenty of cases out there.
• 21:24
  There's plenty of people to help.
• 21:25
  So we're happy to steer them in the right direction.
• 21:27
  I think we need to get you a nickname soon like Joe the
• 21:30
  Oracle Fantamy. Joe does law.
• 21:33
  Joe does law, yes. We'll see.
• 21:34
  We'll work. We'll work on something.
• 21:36
  So no, no pillow talk, but Randy wanted to do another gimmick.
• 21:41
  So here he comes with I. Might have to put you into
• 21:45
  custody for that. One we tried to find tortellini.
• 21:50
  Thank you. And instead Randy shows up with,
• 21:54
  by the way, before you open your box before we went live, Randy
• 21:58
  handed tried to hand this to us and he dropped one of the boxes
• 22:01
  on the floor. So I'm going to see who actually
• 22:03
  got the box with the upside down tort.
• 22:05
  Is it me? Mine's gorgeous.
• 22:08
  Mine looks good too. Yep, and mine does not, so I'll
• 22:15
  just have a strawberry. But happy MTNP.
• 22:18
  Thanks for watching another episode of Tort Talk, Joe Safe
• 22:21
  travels back to Philly and we will see everybody at mass
• 22:24
  towards Puerto Rico in a couple weeks.
• 22:25
  Yep, we'll be there live again.