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S5 143. Jon Clash – The Dark Truth about Santeria & The Law of Attraction · Millennial Mustard Seed

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  Fear is one of the primary drivers of mind control because
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  You're going to have a testimony that is a justice case against
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  the Kingdom of darkness. Welcome back to the Millennium
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  Mustard Seed. I'm your host, Rod, and thank
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  you for being here with me. I'm joined by John Clash, author
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  of a popular book, Law of Attraction, a gateway drug to
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  spiritual heroine. This one is close to my heart
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  because I know that the millennial generation and the
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  younger generations even really wrestle with this concept of the
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  law of attraction, like not putting in the work, not
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  actually going through the painful process to acquire good
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  things and to learn the skill sets that are necessary.
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  It's really packaged and just sold to us as if you just think
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  this. If you just attract this with
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  your thoughts, it'll come to you.
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  Not a believer in that, not in my case, and John's either.
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  He has a bitter past experience learning the hard way and then,
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  you know, writes this book to literally debunk the law of
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  attraction. He used to have blind trust in
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  this process and and all these gurus who had influence over
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  him. His discoveries are alarming.
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  And everything that he documents in this book is to warn other
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  people that the law of attraction, this gateway drug
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  that is capturing unsuspected victims all around the world.
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  It's literally a spiritual heroine.
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  And John's book is a cautionary tale that challenges readers to
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  question their beliefs and really invites them in to embark
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  on the journey of self discovery.
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  The ride may be a bit uncomfortable, but it's
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  definitely one worth taking. So me and John dive into his
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  testimony on this episode as well as breaking down and
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  getting into some of these deeper concepts, even the
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  parallels like we we start to hint at the idea of Catholicism
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  and what that looks like next to Santeria.
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  Now, I'm not bashing on my Catholic brothers and sisters
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  out there. That's not the goal.
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  I love you guys, but when we look at some tradition and some
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  religion, some stuff that cannot be found in the Bible, that gets
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  magnified, right? It gets put up and it's like
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  this imagery that people identify.
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  So as soon as you see statues and beads and as soon as you see
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  the style of worship or veneration of things, we can
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  immediately identify. Oh, that's this, right?
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  Well a lot of that stuff is found in other things like
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  Santeria and plenty of other minor religions and activities
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  that are very spiritual and very real with bad outcomes that can
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  be found all around the world. I enjoyed this conversation with
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  John and I'm looking forward to when he comes back in the future
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  for a Part 2. We definitely have been very
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  Drum roll. Good night, Philadelphia.
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  Thanks for showing up, guys, man, Seriously, it's an honor
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  just to be with you, man. You wrote a book.
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  But more than that, you're a brother in Christ, right?
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  And I see you shaking things up a little bit because God has
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  given you this insight through exposing some really big topics
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  that we're guaranteed to get into at for a teaser for the
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  moment, you have essentially written the only book that I'm
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  aware of that comes against this law of attraction, right?
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  Because let's just face it, information goes out today,
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  right? And there's a younger crowd of
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  people that are really mixed and mingled.
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  And I just want to give you the mic real quick for a second.
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  Tease us with what we'll get into in the meat of this episode
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  before I have you really just introduce yourself to my
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  audience. Yeah, so if you go on to TikTok,
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  which might get banned, or Instagram or any of these
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  platforms and you just search spiritual TikTok or you search,
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  you search anything in in that realm, you're going to come
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  across people teaching you manifestation and teaching you
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  things like the law of attraction.
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  And this these videos get millions and millions and
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  millions of views. And it's not only on Tiktok, but
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  this stuff, it it, it leaves over there and then creeps into
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  the church. I mean, it's been creeping into
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  the church for for a very long time, longer than Tiktok, been
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  around longer than I've been alive.
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  But I think there's an uptick in it lately.
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  And that was not a pun for Tiktok uptick Tiktok, but it
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  worked. But yeah, so there's just been
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  there's been an influx of this of people's interest in
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  manifestation and the law of attraction.
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  And for those of you listening who don't know what that is,
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  these are new age spiritual beliefs and, and new thought
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  philosophy, spiritual beliefs that are just anti Christian at
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  their core. They're demonic at their core.
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  And they're infiltrating the church, they're infiltrating
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  society. And because of that, they
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  infiltrate the church because the churches are filled with
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  people in society. So you have that.
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  And then what the title of my book is called the Law of
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  Attraction. It's called Law of attraction, a
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  gateway drug to spiritual heroin.
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  And the reason why I believe the law of attraction is so bad is
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  because it's just, it's the gateway to a whole list of
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  occult practices. And one just leads to another
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  leads to another leads to another.
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  And so yeah, that's, I've been speaking out against that for a
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  little while now. I don't think I'm the only
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  person with a book like this. Maybe I think I'm the only one
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  that that has written one in this style and went as in depth
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  from not just the Christian perspective, but also, you know,
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  debunking the science, debunking the pseudo history, debunking
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  all of that stuff as well as showing the spiritual
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  implications of it. Phenomenal, man.
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  And before we go any more into these kind of topics, I just
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  want you to give us your testimony.
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  Where did you grow up? How did you come to the Lord?
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  And yeah, let's start there. Yeah.
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  So I'm going to condense this really quickly because it was
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  definitely a long journey. Did not grow up in the Church,
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  but we were culturally Catholic. I know that that would make
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  sense to anybody who has grown up that way.
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  So we did the whole, you know, we went to Communion.
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  I mean, I did the communion and confirmation and then that was
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  it. My father is still an atheist
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  today. So I think he did that just to
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  appease my grandmother. But we did not talk about God in
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  the house at all, period. So except when I was being a
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  brat and my dad would be like, well, what would Jesus do?
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  And I'm like, I don't know. Like, I don't know.
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  We don't talk about him. So there was, there was that.
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  So I got introduced to this, you know, essentially this, that the
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  spiritual realm could possibly exist, but we didn't discuss
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  this in in our home. So I grew up pretty agnostic to
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  things. I dabbled with the idea that the
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  spiritual realm was real, but I wasn't convinced, although I was
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  into watching like ghost shows and I did, I did go to like
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  psychics to get my hand read and stuff, let my palm read and
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  stuff. So, and that's no different than
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  a lot of people you see in the world.
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  It's like they're not bought into God.
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  They're not bought into hyper spiritual things, but they
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  believe in ghosts. Like my brother is a, is a
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  atheist, but he believes in ghosts.
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  I'm like, how does that work? You know, how does that work?
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  But anyway, so up until about 28 years old is when I got saved.
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  But before that I was, you know, doing new age stuff.
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  I also dabbled in Santeria for a bit and I, I never, so when I
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  was doing Santeria, I was without turning this into a
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  whole Santeria podcast, but I was introduced to it by someone.
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  They, they just told me like, Hey, this lady can tell you your
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  future. I wanted somebody to tell me
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  that I was going to be a famous rapper when I get old, you know,
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  in the next few years, when I get older, in the next few
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  years. That's what I wanted to hear.
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  And so he was like, oh, she'll tell you your future.
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  And then I go there and it turns out that it's this whole
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  Santeria thing that they got going on.
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  I didn't even know what it was at the time, but I had a real
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  crazy encounter with a, with a woman who told me about things
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  in my past that I never told anybody.
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  So that kind of got me open to what they were saying.
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  And they were like, look, we'll, we'll give you all the things
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  that you want. All you have to do is light
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  these candles and and make this alter and blah, blah, blah.
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  So I was kind of like, all right, yeah, let's do it because
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  I didn't, you know, in one eye I'm looking at this as like, Oh
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  yeah, that maybe this is real. At the other eye, I'm like,
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  well, even if it's not like, what's the worst that could
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  happen If I light the candles and stuff and all these good
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  things start happening, then awesome, here I am winning.
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  And if it doesn't happen, whatever, so.
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  Will they light candles in Catholic Church?
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  I did, I did correlate that and you know after a few I call them
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  like sessions or or seances, you could call them.
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  That's not what they called them.
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  They were basically parties, but looking back on it, I'm like,
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  yeah, there was people getting possessed by demons during this
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  stuff. So, but I, I looked look back on
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  it and I'm like, yeah, that's probably why I was like primed
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  for it because they also disguise it as Catholicism as
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  well. So we can dig into that a little
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  bit after I, I get to the the next point.
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  So here, I got that going on. Then I get invited to church.
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  Years later, I go to the church. It's Hillsong, so I enjoyed it.
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  It was, you know, motivational speech and I was into that stuff
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  at the time. So I I kept going to church, but
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  I wasn't really a believer. Then I got invited to another
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  church up in Connecticut by my mother's house.
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  And after that, after that Sunday service, I was down at
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  the bottom like giving my life to the Lord.
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  All of that stuff. It was an emotional sermon.
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  And then I went home and I was like, what did I just do?
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  No, I did. I did not become a Christian
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  like this. I had an emotional experience.
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  I was in my feelings, as we say in New York.
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  And I, I realized I did not become a Christian, but I was
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  enjoying going to church. It's time that I figured this
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  stuff out, right? Like I, I came to a point as
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  well before that where I was kind of hostile towards
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  Christianity. I thought it was kind of stupid
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  in a way, and I was borderlining being an atheist.
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  And so, you know, then I get invited to church.
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  I'm having these good experiences and I'm like, I
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  don't even know what I believe. Like I was critical of
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  Christianity. Now here I am going to, to
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  church, enjoying my experience, but not even believing what's
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  really going on, just enjoying the experience.
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  Then I have this moment where I have this emotional experience
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  where I, I go to the front of the room, I take the little
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  pamphlet, they pray for me. And, and then when the high
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  wears off, essentially I'm, I'm having this existential crisis
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  of like, what do I even believe? So it was at that moment that I
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  decided to go down the rabbit hole of, of digging into all the
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  different world views that I could come across to see what
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  they believe about reality, what, what truth claims do they
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  have on how this universe was created and how we're supposed
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  to live our lives. And Long story short, I know I
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  said that in the beginning and it's here we are long, but I've
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  went through, you know, like Buddhism and Hinduism and, and
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  all these other different religions and just looked at
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  what they were claiming. And I'm like, God, it doesn't
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  seem to, to line up with reality and, and what we know to be true
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  about the universe coming into existence.
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  And then you, you get to the Abrahamic faiths and I'm like,
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  well, what's the difference in these guys?
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  What, what do they believe? And I got to this, to the figure
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  of Jesus Christ, 'cause they all say something different about
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  Jesus. And he's a central figure in all
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  these world religions. Like they all have something to
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  say about him. And so I, I just started looking
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  into who he was and I, I started watching debates between
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  atheists and, and Christians, expecting the atheist to like
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  mop the floor with these Christians.
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  And, and it was the exact opposite.
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  I was watching the atheist just get bodied left and right.
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  And that led me down to, to looking into the research that
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  they were talking about. And so anyway, I come to this
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  realization where looking into the historical evidence for
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  Jesus's resurrection, I come to this realization of, wow, I
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  really think he rose from the dead.
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  I just, I don't see any other options when we, when we take
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  everything into consideration, I just, I just don't see any other
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  options. And so then what do you do with
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  that? And I just decided to put my
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  faith in Jesus for my salvation. I was like, I have, I have to
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  believe this. There's no other choice.
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  You know what, I'm going to reject this.
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  I've been searching for this, searching for the answer.
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  Here it is in front of me. I I'm just going to accept the
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  evidence that I see. And so I transferred my trust
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  from, you know, hoping that maybe if heaven existed, that I
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  could get in there by being a good person or attracting, you
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  know, enlightenment from the universe.
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  And I just said, you know what? I'm I'm just going to trust in
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  Jesus. And from that point on, I wasn't
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  like, I wasn't well discipled. So I was, I believed, but I
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  wasn't well discipled. It it took me falling flat on my
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  face and like stumbling into an actual good church for me to
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  really find discipleship and really learn how to how to read
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  the Bible. I had no idea how to read and
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  nobody taught me, which is why I have such a passion for teaching
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  beginners. But yeah, I think I might have
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  answered your question and then went on to some other things as
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  well. No, I think it was a really
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  powerful overview and I'm I'm sure somebody out there can
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  relate. It's just like the Bible says
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  sin is fun for a short season, right?
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  So when we're you're soaking up the world and we're just
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  believing all of these different things.
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  TikTok brain, right, Really just subliminal screen in your mind
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  just getting cluttered and clogged with the ideology of the
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  world. And to hear, you know, a bit of
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  your testimony and about how like God calls us, right.
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  And then the shift that happened where you were like, man, I I'm
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  really gonna go all in and then needing discipleship.
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  I think that's a pattern that a lot of listeners will be able to
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  ride out with you on. So excited to have you here now
• 21:05
  to get into, you know, some more of the meat knowing your
• 21:07
  background. And Santeria, man, I remember
• 21:09
  from the sublime song growing. Up.
• 21:11
  Everybody says that. Everybody says that.
• 21:15
  But I didn't really know exactly what it was.
• 21:17
  So it's interesting to hear is that does that originate in
• 21:20
  Puerto Rico? Nah, so, so background on
• 21:23
  Santeria is it's an Afro Cuban religion, right?
• 21:27
  It's Afro Latino 'cause it's spread beyond Cuba, but it
• 21:30
  originated in the slave trade. The the Africans who were
• 21:35
  brought over to Cuba and other parts of the Caribbean, they
• 21:39
  weren't allowed to practice their traditional Europa
• 21:42
  religion. And this was, you know,
• 21:46
  polytheism, they, they believed in multiple different gods and,
• 21:49
  and essentially each town kind of had their own God.
• 21:52
  And there was a God for this and a God for that.
• 21:54
  They, they called them Orishas, right?
• 21:57
  But at the time, I didn't know this when I got introduced to
• 22:00
  it, but it, it started over there.
• 22:02
  And then in the slave trade, the slaves actually disguised it as
• 22:06
  Catholicism. So each Orisha or each one of
• 22:09
  these deities, they just attributed them to a Catholic
• 22:14
  St. right. So they disguised in, in Orisha
• 22:19
  as a Catholic St. and then they would worship the Saints.
• 22:23
  And so this would trick the, the, the, their slave owners.
• 22:29
  They would trick them into thinking that, oh, wow, these,
• 22:32
  these guys are practicing Catholicism because you're not
• 22:35
  allowed to, you know, during the slave trade, it was like you're
• 22:37
  either, you're either getting, you're getting force baptized
• 22:40
  into Catholicism. You know, you have no choice.
• 22:42
  You cannot practice your own religion.
• 22:45
  So they disguised it and then it spread all throughout the
• 22:51
  Caribbean. So this is mostly, you'll find
• 22:53
  Santeria mostly in Latino communities, right?
• 22:58
  And I was, you know, growing up in Yonkers, it's a very
• 23:01
  culturally diverse place. So I have friends of all
• 23:06
  different backgrounds. And I was invited to to this by
• 23:10
  one of my Dominican friends. So the offshoot, after I got out
• 23:14
  of it and I started researching what I was actually in, I think
• 23:19
  the offshoot of Santeria that I was a part of was called 21
• 23:23
  Divisions. That's the English name for it.
• 23:26
  But it's all essentially the same thing.
• 23:29
  They just, if you talk to somebody about Santeria who's
• 23:33
  like really into it, their experience with Santeria is
• 23:36
  going to differ from somebody else's experience in Santeria
• 23:39
  because it's different just on, let's say, the island of
• 23:44
  Dominican Republic. It's different just in different
• 23:48
  places over there. So there's a lot of fractures,
• 23:54
  fractures in it and, and factions to it.
• 23:56
  But it's essentially. So when I went to, when I got
• 24:01
  invited to this, when he, he told me it was that she would
• 24:04
  tell me my future. But I'll, I'll get into the
• 24:07
  whole story of what happened there.
• 24:09
  So I show up and it looks like a party, right?
• 24:13
  Like it's just a party. Everyone's hanging out.
• 24:15
  And I'm like, wow, this is the most lit psychic I've ever been
• 24:19
  to, you know, 'cause I'm completely oblivious to, to
• 24:23
  what's going on. And so we get there, everybody's
• 24:27
  drinking beer, smoking cigars and chilling.
• 24:30
  There's music playing. So I'm like, oh, this is pretty
• 24:33
  cool. Then the atmosphere shifted the,
• 24:38
  the, it's like got dark. There was an altar there too.
• 24:41
  So I thought that was a little interesting that there was an
• 24:43
  altar there. But I'm like, ah, maybe it's all
• 24:44
  part of whatever is going on. Because I, I also did, I
• 24:47
  understood that this was Dominican, like this is going to
• 24:52
  be a Dominican thing. So I, I always saw candles lit
• 24:56
  in like my friend's bodega and stuff like that.
• 24:58
  So I was kind of primed for it to be in there.
• 25:01
  But anyway, it, it starts going down where where this woman was
• 25:08
  now changing characteristics, right?
• 25:12
  I look at looking back on it after I was out, I know that she
• 25:15
  was getting possessed by different demons, but what they
• 25:19
  told me was happening is that she was channelling something at
• 25:24
  the time. It was just something that can
• 25:27
  tell me my future and can tell me about my life and where I
• 25:29
  need to make adjustments and stuff.
• 25:32
  So she's going around the room and she's talking to people and
• 25:36
  she eventually gets to me. And when she gets to me, she
• 25:39
  starts telling me things that I never told anyone.
• 25:43
  And I'm talking about things that happened when I was a kid.
• 25:45
  And nobody in that room definitely knew what what she
• 25:50
  was saying to me. Like there was no way they could
• 25:53
  have known any of this stuff. So this kind of got me hooked.
• 25:57
  I was like, oh, wow, whatever's going on here.
• 25:59
  She knows what she's talking about because I've never told
• 26:02
  anybody this. And another thing that was
• 26:03
  happening is I, so I knew this woman, I didn't know that she
• 26:07
  was going to be the person doing this, but when I got there, I, I
• 26:10
  knew her, she doesn't speak English.
• 26:13
  So she would speak to me in English.
• 26:16
  My friend would translate, I mean, she would speak to me in
• 26:18
  Spanish, my friends, my friend would translate it and I would
• 26:21
  respond in English. And she would not wait for the
• 26:24
  translator to give her response. So she was comprehending what I
• 26:28
  was saying and responding without the translator.
• 26:32
  And I know she doesn't speak English, so that for me was
• 26:36
  another, you know, there's got to be something supernatural
• 26:40
  going on here. I, I don't know what it is, But
• 26:42
  so anyway, she goes and says, you know what?
• 26:47
  We know that you want it. And it's funny, 'cause she said
• 26:49
  we right. And she's like, oh, we know that
• 26:51
  you want to be a famous musician.
• 26:54
  We know you want to be on stages.
• 26:56
  We know you want the money. We know you want all of that and
• 27:00
  we'll give it to you. All you have to do is XYZ.
• 27:04
  And it was just make one of these altars in my house and
• 27:09
  light these specific candles and put candy on it and leave a
• 27:13
  drink out and just these specific things that I had to
• 27:16
  do. And as I said earlier, I'm
• 27:18
  looking at this one eye like like, wow, this is, this seems
• 27:20
  pretty legit. If what they're saying is true
• 27:23
  and they're going to give this to me.
• 27:25
  Cool, I'll take it. And then in the other eye, I'm
• 27:28
  like, yeah, OK, let's, let's see what happens.
• 27:31
  But things did start going better for me.
• 27:34
  It wasn't like knock it out of the park like my life is, wow,
• 27:37
  I'm living in luxury now. That's not how it went.
• 27:40
  But it was enough to to keep me coming back and to keep me
• 27:43
  interested. So I kept going to these
• 27:46
  sessions where I would witness her get, so she would get
• 27:50
  possessed and her total, her demeanor would change.
• 27:54
  She would be somebody completely different.
• 27:57
  And then all of a sudden that entity would leave and she'd be
• 28:01
  possessed again by another one and her demeanor would be
• 28:04
  completely different than what it was when she was possessed by
• 28:07
  the other one. So this would happen multiple
• 28:09
  times. And during this process there's
• 28:12
  so each one of these quote UN quote Saints or orishas, they
• 28:15
  have different colors that are associated with them.
• 28:18
  So she would take off 1 sash, she would have a sash or like a
• 28:21
  bandana and she would take that off and put another one on.
• 28:24
  It was more silk. It wasn't really a bandana and
• 28:26
  she would put that on and when she put it on like a yellow one
• 28:29
  was for this specific Orisha, this specific I I believe it was
• 28:34
  Saint Barbara is what they they said.
• 28:37
  But she would turn into that one and then give different
• 28:39
  information. Then she would turn into another
• 28:40
  one. And there was even times where
• 28:41
  she's like crawling around on the floor.
• 28:44
  Really bugged out stuff, man, but I was into it because I'm
• 28:49
  like, man, things are things are going well with my music career.
• 28:53
  I was being introduced to to people who could get me in the
• 28:56
  game and I was being recognized around my, my, my city.
• 29:01
  I was getting a, a local buzz. And this was back in the day
• 29:03
  where you couldn't just like put music online.
• 29:05
  You had to actually go out and hand out mixtapes and stuff like
• 29:09
  that. So this went on for a while and
• 29:12
  and then it it started getting did I go too far?
• 29:16
  Because I know you only asked me to explain what it was.
• 29:19
  And then here I am down this rabbit hole of of talking about
• 29:24
  my experience. No, I'm really enjoying it.
• 29:27
  Yeah. Please continue all.
• 29:28
  Right. This is good.
• 29:29
  This is good. I know we have limited time and
• 29:32
  here I am going down rabbit holes.
• 29:33
  I should have warned you before I got started that.
• 29:35
  Well, let let's just say this is a part one because I can already
• 29:39
  tell you're going to be back. You're going to be.
• 29:41
  All right, that that's that works out.
• 29:42
  That works out. So I'm doing this right.
• 29:46
  And so just so you know, this carried over into my
• 29:50
  Christianity and I'll get into that in a bit, but I'm doing
• 29:55
  this and sometimes I'm more into it than than I'm not.
• 29:57
  Because remember I told you, I'm, I'm agnostic to all this
• 30:00
  stuff. I'm like, like this is bugged
• 30:02
  out, but whatever. And you also have to understand
• 30:05
  too, this was a time period of my life where I was drinking a
• 30:08
  lot. I was doing drugs.
• 30:09
  I was, I was not in the right mindset for not this, not the
• 30:14
  whole time, but a lot of the time.
• 30:16
  So I'm under the influence physically and then I'm under
• 30:20
  the influence spiritually. So it was a very confusing time
• 30:23
  in my life. But one thing I noticed was that
• 30:26
  they never told me about my sin, right?
• 30:30
  Oh, so backtrack. I finally asked them what's
• 30:34
  going on? The woman who was kind of like
• 30:36
  the mediator with everything. I'm like, So what is this?
• 30:38
  What is it that I'm witnessing? What is going on here?
• 30:42
  You know, I I appreciate you inviting me.
• 30:44
  I know something's going on. That's that's beyond me because
• 30:48
  she was able to tell me these things.
• 30:49
  But what, Like, what is this? And that's when I was told it
• 30:53
  was, oh, this is Santeria. This is our spirituality.
• 30:55
  That's what that's what she called it, our, our
• 30:58
  spirituality. And, you know, these are the
• 31:00
  Saints. You know, when she gets
• 31:02
  possessed, these she's being possessed by a St.
• 31:06
  And this is making me think it's kind of like justifying it for
• 31:10
  me because I'm like, oh, yeah. Well, you know, from what I
• 31:12
  know, Saints are good. So all right, cool.
• 31:15
  I'll listen to what these Saints have to say.
• 31:17
  Because that's how she painted it.
• 31:19
  You know, Saints, they were just regular people.
• 31:21
  That's why. So when she would get possessed,
• 31:23
  she would drink alcohol. She would smoke cigars.
• 31:27
  And I'm talking about she would smoke cigars like Bugs Bunny
• 31:29
  would smoke a cigar in Looney Tunes.
• 31:31
  You know how it's just like the whole entire thing is gone in
• 31:33
  one puff. So like, that was the
• 31:38
  justification. Like, yeah, you know, the Saints
• 31:40
  were regular people as well. So, you know, they like to
• 31:43
  drink, they like to smoke. And I, since I'm, I'm so
• 31:46
  unaware, I, I have no theological foundation to even
• 31:51
  combat anything she's saying. I'm just like, OK, yeah, that
• 31:54
  makes sense. And they want the what's best
• 31:56
  for you because, you know, Jesus, they want what's best for
• 31:59
  you. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, that
• 32:00
  makes sense. That totally makes sense.
• 32:02
  So, you know, I'm, I'm trucking right along with this stuff, but
• 32:05
  I would get lazy sometimes and I I just wouldn't I wouldn't light
• 32:09
  the candles for my altar. I would, I would.
• 32:12
  I guess you could call it backslide in my Santeria, right.
• 32:17
  One day I get a call and I remember exactly where I was
• 32:20
  too. I get a call and like, John,
• 32:22
  where are you? And I'm like, I'm on the block.
• 32:25
  Why? What's up?
• 32:26
  And she's like, the Saints are mad at you.
• 32:29
  And I'm like, what? What are you talking about?
• 32:32
  The Saints are mad at you. They're like, yeah, they, they
• 32:34
  know you're not lighting the, your candles.
• 32:37
  They know you're not taking care of your altar.
• 32:39
  And I'm like, what Like do they have a hidden camera in my room
• 32:44
  or something? You know, that that bugged me
• 32:46
  out. She's like, yeah.
• 32:47
  And they, they're, you know, they're really upset with you.
• 32:50
  I'm like, all right, So what do I got to do?
• 32:51
  So I had to host my own party essentially, and buy all this
• 32:54
  stuff. Spent like $400.00 on candles
• 32:57
  and this and that. And I don't remember if it was
• 33:01
  during that session or another one, but they said that they're
• 33:05
  like, you know, if you don't, if you don't do what we ask of you,
• 33:07
  we're going to take everything from you.
• 33:10
  And that kind of checked me a little bit in two ways.
• 33:15
  One way I was like, oh, we making threats now, you know,
• 33:17
  like what, what's going on here? This doesn't sound too saintly.
• 33:22
  And then the other was, well, I'm just going to keep lighting
• 33:25
  this stuff and doing what they say because I don't want to lose
• 33:27
  anything that I got. I barely had anything, you know,
• 33:30
  I was living on my own. I was living check to check, but
• 33:33
  like my music was going well. So, you know, I didn't, I didn't
• 33:37
  want to lose that little bit that I had.
• 33:39
  And it's interesting now that I'm out of it and I I see other
• 33:43
  people who are in it. It's the same thing.
• 33:45
  They only give you enough to continue in in to to keep you
• 33:51
  hooked on them, to keep you worshipping them, to keep you
• 33:53
  honoring them and instead of the one true God.
• 33:56
  But so I kind of just coasted for a while and then, you know,
• 34:03
  I, I became a Christian 01 time hold up.
• 34:07
  One time I was at one of these events, they call them Bimbuzz,
• 34:11
  but I was at one of them and I watched this lady who was
• 34:15
  possessed break a glass over her head and then start eating the
• 34:20
  glass. Like she, she literally smashed
• 34:23
  it over her head. The pieces on the floor, she
• 34:25
  picked them up, started chewing on them and swallowing them.
• 34:28
  And this is like right next to me.
• 34:31
  And I saw other bugged out stuff too, but that that was one that
• 34:33
  just really stood out to me. And I was so into it that I'm
• 34:37
  like just justifying this stuff in my mind.
• 34:40
  I'm like, oh, this, this must be how powerful the Saints are that
• 34:44
  she can do this and not be hurt. Meanwhile, it's like, what St.
• 34:49
  would which one of the apostles would be like, Hey, let me
• 34:54
  possess this woman. Like let's just hypothetically
• 34:56
  think that the apostles, the apostles are floating around and
• 35:01
  you know, possessing people. Let's just hypothetically grant
• 35:04
  that for argument's sake, what would possess them to make their
• 35:09
  host body break glass over their head and start eating it?
• 35:13
  Like that just makes no sense. But this is what happens when
• 35:15
  you have zero spiritual discernment and 0 understanding
• 35:20
  of the spiritual realm and no theological foundation for and
• 35:24
  no, no real world view to pull from right.
• 35:27
  So all this craziness going on, I then start getting introduced
• 35:34
  to personal development, which I'm, I'm an advocate for
• 35:38
  personal development to an extent, but that drifted into
• 35:42
  the law of attraction and new age spiritual practices,
• 35:46
  meditation and yoga and stuff like that.
• 35:51
  But I, I was looking at that as in the same way as just a means
• 35:54
  to an end. All these things for me.
• 35:56
  I think I'm like a prime example of total depravity.
• 36:00
  All these things were just a means to an end for me.
• 36:03
  You know, I just, I was using these practices to get what I
• 36:06
  want out of life. So I got all this mess going on.
• 36:10
  And that's when I finally got introduced to, I got invited to
• 36:15
  church and then, you know, became a Christian.
• 36:17
  And then I can remember the night where we were at, we just
• 36:21
  had a huge sales training. And one of my guys, David Peach,
• 36:25
  he's one of the first people who really taught me how to read the
• 36:30
  Bible. He comes from a line of pastors,
• 36:33
  but he became a chiropractor. So random, but he was still, you
• 36:36
  know, one of the only people who taught me how to read Scripture
• 36:41
  within its proper context. And he was talking about the end
• 36:45
  times at we were at Del Frisco's in Manhattan.
• 36:48
  It's like $62.00 stakes. Ridiculous, but we were there
• 36:55
  and he was just talking about the end times and I don't know
• 37:00
  what what about it that he said that the Holy Spirit that was in
• 37:05
  me was just like, Hey, now's the time we're going to go home and,
• 37:11
  and smash this altar that you made.
• 37:13
  And so from that moment, I, I felt the Holy Spirit pulled me
• 37:17
  to go do this and to renounce all that stuff and, and I broke
• 37:21
  the altar, I threw the stuff in the woods.
• 37:22
  I, I renounced all of it. And my life actually got pretty
• 37:26
  it, it started going downhill from that point.
• 37:29
  But I was, I was all in on, on not crawling back to them, so to
• 37:36
  speak, not crawling back to these, what I now know to be are
• 37:40
  demons. And I also had a moment, I know
• 37:44
  I'm skipping around a little bit in in the timeline, but there
• 37:47
  was a moment where I went on a date prior to going in and
• 37:52
  breaking all this stuff down. When I was still in Santeria, I
• 37:54
  went on a date with this woman. And the way that God uses people
• 37:58
  is incredible. But she saw the beads on my neck
• 38:02
  and she was a Latina woman. She saw the beads on my neck
• 38:04
  because they give you beads that are quote UN quote blessed for
• 38:07
  protection or for whatever. She asked me what they are
• 38:12
  during our date. And I was like, oh, you don't
• 38:14
  know what these are. And she's like, no.
• 38:16
  And here I am in my mind thinking that I'm about to
• 38:18
  school this woman on her own culture.
• 38:22
  And man did that backfire. She's like, explain them to me.
• 38:26
  Explain what they are. And I explained that, that, you
• 38:28
  know, they're Santeria beads and this is what Santeria is and
• 38:30
  blah, blah, blah. And she just says to me, she's
• 38:32
  like, John, those are not, those are not the Saints.
• 38:36
  Those are demons. Check here in the Bible.
• 38:39
  Check here in the Bible. This will tell you they're
• 38:42
  demons. And at that point in time, I was
• 38:45
  just like, wow, this, this girl is crazy.
• 38:47
  I couldn't tell you exactly where she told me to look in the
• 38:49
  Bible because I kind of brushed it off.
• 38:50
  But that, that planted a seed in my mind.
• 38:54
  And I, I think that seed came to fruition, you know, later on in
• 38:57
  my, in my Christian walk when I just renounced everything.
• 39:01
  So I got out of it, tried to pull some friends out of it
• 39:05
  didn't really work out too well. But now I, I do my best to speak
• 39:09
  about it whenever I can. I'm actually going to be
• 39:11
  creating more content focused on exposing Santeria.
• 39:15
  I I just bought one of their books so I could really dig into
• 39:21
  to their religion and, and all of the the deep things that they
• 39:24
  believe so I can expose it for what it is.
• 39:26
  But yeah, that that was that experience for me.
• 39:30
  Man, that's powerful. I definitely have more
• 39:33
  questions, but I. Think.
• 39:35
  I think we'll, we'll spread them out as time goes on because the
• 39:38
  way that I I see it is they fit into other things, right?
• 39:42
  Right. So let's talk a little bit about
• 39:44
  the book. Drop the title again, give us a
• 39:46
  brief overview of the book, and then I'll back it up with this
• 39:49
  question. How long did it take to write
• 39:52
  the book? Where was that beginning of OK,
• 39:55
  pen to the paper. God's calling me to do this.
• 39:58
  What did that look like? All right, so the book is titled
• 40:01
  Law of Attraction, a gateway drug to spiritual heroin.
• 40:05
  Just for those of you who don't know what the Law of Attraction
• 40:08
  means, this is a a very simplistic.
• 40:11
  Definition of it, it means that your thoughts create your
• 40:14
  reality, right So if you're thinking positive thoughts or if
• 40:18
  you're speaking positive words of affirmation, you are creating
• 40:21
  your reality with every word that you say and every thought
• 40:24
  that you have because your thoughts and words go out into
• 40:28
  the universe and they they they are frequencies this is what
• 40:32
  they say your thoughts are a frequency and it goes out and
• 40:36
  attaches to the same frequency that's out in the universe and
• 40:39
  then that frequency brings into your physical reality whatever
• 40:44
  it is you are thinking about. And so this is obviously used
• 40:48
  to, you know, people want to use this as I did, to create
• 40:52
  financial wealth and to, you know, get the girl that they
• 40:55
  want and get all the material things that they want.
• 40:58
  There's even, you know, in the, in one of the more popular
• 41:01
  books, which is called The Secret, they even teach you that
• 41:05
  the, the way to perfect health is to think healthy thoughts.
• 41:09
  And if you get fat, it's because you're thinking fat thoughts and
• 41:12
  that you can eat whatever you want and you won't get fat.
• 41:15
  And I'm just like, Oh my gosh, how did I ever believe this
• 41:18
  stuff? So that's that's what it is.
• 41:21
  But the book goes through its origins, you know, digging into
• 41:25
  where did this come from? And if you just peel back the
• 41:28
  layers, you find that it's it originated in the the garden of
• 41:32
  Eden with the the first lie of eat of this and you'll be like
• 41:36
  God, you know, essentially dangling secret wisdom in front
• 41:41
  of somebody. So you can dig it back that far.
• 41:44
  But in more modern times, it is Luciferian at its core.
• 41:50
  People who promote this are like Helena Blavatsky, who is one of
• 41:54
  the Co founders of the Theosophical Society and she's
• 41:57
  considered to be the mother of New Age spirituality.
• 42:00
  And you could just Google her quotes on Satan and Lucifer and
• 42:05
  how much she praised him. And so, you know, you have her.
• 42:08
  You have Phineas Quimby who is, you know, New Thought philosophy
• 42:13
  who has influenced a lot of the Word of Faith, quote UN quote,
• 42:17
  Christianity that we have out there now.
• 42:20
  So you, you find it there. Then they have all of these,
• 42:24
  they make a lot of truth claims, right?
• 42:26
  And So what I did is I dug into every truth claim.
• 42:30
  Not everyone 'cause I, I, the book would have been a textbook,
• 42:33
  but I dug into every truth claim that they make.
• 42:36
  And I just showed the truth of that truth claim in the book and
• 42:40
  show how they're just manipulating history there,
• 42:43
  banking on the fact that most people are not quantum
• 42:47
  physicists. So they use things like quantum
• 42:49
  physics to try to trick you into thinking that the law of
• 42:53
  attraction is a scientific law and it's a natural law like the
• 42:57
  law of gravity. And they use things like quantum
• 42:59
  physics and quantum woo woo nonsense to, to try to trick us
• 43:04
  who are lay people who have not graduated from college with a
• 43:09
  doctorate in anything involving physics.
• 43:12
  You know, they try to trick us into believing what they're
• 43:16
  saying as as if it's like founded on, on factual
• 43:21
  scientific research as well as they go on to say things like
• 43:26
  Jesus taught this stuff and the Bible teaches the law of
• 43:29
  attraction. And that if you also look into
• 43:35
  just the industry that's behind it, there's a lot of scamming
• 43:38
  that goes on. A lot of the proponents of the
• 43:40
  law of attraction who are teaching you that you can
• 43:42
  manifest whatever you want. You can manifest the dreams of
• 43:46
  your heart and you can manifest the abundance of the universe.
• 43:51
  The only reason that they're living good lives, good
• 43:54
  essentially not meaning good morally, but good worldly
• 43:58
  speaking financially is because they're selling you that you can
• 44:03
  manifest this stuff. They just their whole career is
• 44:06
  just selling law of attraction courses and books and seminars.
• 44:10
  And none of them, I wouldn't say none of them, but the majority
• 44:14
  of them aren't doing anything else but selling courses and
• 44:18
  seminars. And so they're selling you a lie
• 44:21
  and they just need you to buy into the lie so you can buy
• 44:23
  their stuff and you can feed their lifestyle.
• 44:25
  And then when you dig even further into it, you see that
• 44:28
  there's have been like so many lawsuits thrown back and forth
• 44:32
  from people who are perpetuating this.
• 44:34
  Rhonda Byrne, she wrote the book The Secret and directed the
• 44:38
  movie The Secret. And the Secret is one of the
• 44:41
  more popular law of attraction books and movies.
• 44:45
  She has like so many lawsuits against her.
• 44:47
  And it it, it's crazy because you're supposed to be the one
• 44:51
  teaching us that we attract whatever we want from the
• 44:54
  universe. Yet here you are attracting all
• 44:55
  of these lawsuits. You also see that many of the
• 44:59
  proponents of this, they have had bad things happen at their
• 45:04
  seminars. There's a man named James Arthur
• 45:07
  Ray, who he's in the book The Secret.
• 45:11
  He's in the movie The Secret, and he's had people die at his
• 45:15
  seminars. One lady jumped off of a balcony
• 45:20
  during this part of the the seminar where they where he told
• 45:24
  them to go out and pretend to be homeless.
• 45:25
  She jumped to her death. Then also he did a sweat lodge
• 45:29
  in Sedona. He did the sweat lodge ceremony
• 45:34
  and people paid $10,000 a pop for for the Spiritual Warrior
• 45:39
  retreat. They paid $10,000 and then three
• 45:42
  of them died in the sweat lodge and he did two years in jail for
• 45:47
  negligent homicide. So there's a, there's a lot more
• 45:52
  at stake than just, you know, believing this.
• 45:57
  And like, what's the harm of me believing that the universe is
• 46:00
  going to bend to my will? What's the harm in that?
• 46:02
  Well, one, that's sorcery in witchcraft.
• 46:04
  But there's also physical consequences to this.
• 46:06
  If you, if you follow this course and you follow these
• 46:11
  teachers, they're going to continue to lead you, continue
• 46:13
  to lead you down spiritual paths that not only result in physical
• 46:18
  harm, but eventually leads you to hell.
• 46:20
  So I go through exposing all of that stuff in the book.
• 46:24
  And to answer your question on how I was prompted to start, it
• 46:28
  was since I believed it so much. And then I started speaking
• 46:33
  against it and telling people not to believe in it.
• 46:37
  I had conversation after conversation after conversation,
• 46:41
  answering the same questions over and over again.
• 46:44
  And I was complaining to my wife one day about it and she's like,
• 46:49
  well, why don't you just go write a book?
• 46:51
  And I, I fought with her for about 15 minutes.
• 46:53
  I was like, no, I'm not going to do that.
• 46:55
  That's crazy. She's like, just go outside on
• 46:57
  the balcony and, and just go see what happens.
• 46:59
  I think I, I don't remember exactly, but I think I wrote one
• 47:03
  or two chapters just going outside and, and taking the pen
• 47:09
  to paper. And I walked back in.
• 47:10
  I was like, oh crap, I think I need to write this book.
• 47:16
  But from that point, it was a two year process from start to
• 47:20
  finish. I had a since I was into this
• 47:24
  stuff already, I had a head start in the research.
• 47:27
  You know, I already knew what people believed.
• 47:29
  I already looked into the origins of it and how it was
• 47:33
  demonic and I looked into the quantum physics and stuff.
• 47:36
  I already started that journey long before I put a put pen to
• 47:41
  paper. So I kind of had a a head start.
• 47:43
  But from the time I put pen to paper, it was it was two years
• 47:46
  before the book came out and now we're about to come up on a year
• 47:50
  of the book being out. So that's pretty cool.
• 47:53
  Fascinating journey, I would say.
• 47:56
  I, I personally didn't read the book, but just people that I
• 48:01
  respect in this space, right? Highly acclaimed right there.
• 48:05
  People are saying this is really good.
• 48:06
  I went in, I heard you talk about it on a couple different
• 48:09
  interviews and I was putting stuff together like who?
• 48:14
  Who in the millennial generation hasn't been affected by like all
• 48:17
  of this nonsense? Law of attraction, right?
• 48:21
  The secret, You know, I remember that DVD coming out.
• 48:24
  So there were things that even though even before I was a
• 48:27
  Christian, that I felt something was off about it.
• 48:31
  You know, I was talking with Doctor Mike Davis recently and I
• 48:33
  was saying to him, you know, I always have to slow down.
• 48:38
  And whatever I become fascinated with has to be so real to me
• 48:42
  that I'm willing to just deep dive.
• 48:43
  Like I'm willing. Like it has to be real to me.
• 48:45
  It has to shake something inside of me for the sake of deep
• 48:49
  interest or infatuation. And those things did not do that
• 48:54
  for me. People speaking, Oh, yeah, if
• 48:56
  you just do this, you'll get these things.
• 48:58
  And a part of me was like, man, that sounds way too easy.
• 49:03
  Like life is hard, man. The I've been crying and
• 49:06
  laughing and running and sitting this whole journey trying to
• 49:09
  figure this thing out. I don't think it's that easy.
• 49:11
  So I was highly skeptical, but there were parts that were
• 49:15
  fascinating, like even just people I'd come across, they
• 49:17
  would tailor it in such a way you they'd almost be able to
• 49:20
  cover the language or, or the essence of what they were trying
• 49:23
  to show to you, you know, and and like you said, cloaking it
• 49:26
  through Christianity, like, oh, well, you know, the Bible says
• 49:30
  so a man thinketh he is and this and you know what I mean?
• 49:33
  There's. No conscience.
• 49:35
  That's like that's one of the go to.
• 49:38
  Verses and I heard all this stuff so when I knew what you
• 49:42
  were doing, even though I didn't read the book, I listened to you
• 49:45
  speak about it a couple times and really felt in my spirit.
• 49:48
  I don't like prescribing scriptures.
• 49:51
  I believe the the Holy Spirit is leading men to write for the
• 49:54
  culture of that time. So I don't want to say that you
• 49:57
  are a David versus Goliath. I do not want you to think that
• 50:00
  but in terms if I can use a reference here.
• 50:03
  This is a really big topic of conversation.
• 50:07
  You got millions of people watching young people on social
• 50:09
  media being inculcated into this idea.
• 50:13
  And there's very few people willing to stand up and
• 50:16
  literally go, you know what? I'm risking reputation here.
• 50:19
  I'm risking popularity. Like I I'm gonna speak the truth
• 50:22
  of what God is showing me. So I would put you in the camp.
• 50:25
  The righteous are bold as a lion.
• 50:27
  I don't care if this is popular. I don't care if if it's going to
• 50:32
  get a million views or if it's only going to get 10,000 views.
• 50:34
  I want to speak the truth and I admire that.
• 50:37
  So when the book drops, when I kind of like learned who you
• 50:40
  were, I just was like, this is somebody I'm going to talk to.
• 50:43
  So here we are. I appreciate it, man, Thank you.
• 50:46
  Thank you so much for one for your your building me up.
• 50:50
  I, I, I appreciate that, you know, giving me confidence to
• 50:54
  keep, to keep going. I, I really, really appreciate
• 50:57
  it. It, it gets like, it gets crazy
• 50:59
  sometimes, you know, having these conversations over and
• 51:03
  over and over again. And you know, there's people,
• 51:05
  whenever people say something on my, on my page or, or whatever
• 51:09
  against what I'm saying or, or if I'm like debunking the law of
• 51:13
  attraction, they're like, no, that's not true, blah, blah.
• 51:15
  I send them a book for free. I say, hey, if I send you a
• 51:18
  book, will you read it? I send it to them and then they
• 51:19
  don't read it. You know, it's, it's, it bothers
• 51:24
  me because I, I care about people and I, I care about where
• 51:29
  they're at. I, I don't want to just debunk
• 51:32
  stuff and like, put people down and like, yeah, I'm, I'm right,
• 51:35
  you're wrong. That's that's not why I wrote
• 51:36
  the book. That's not that's not the goal,
• 51:39
  but the heart of Yeshua, right? That's the heart of Yeshua, bro,
• 51:43
  is, is, you know, the lost becoming found, you know, just
• 51:45
  like the word says. And, and most of my audience
• 51:48
  knows what the Bible says and they know it's the will of God
• 51:52
  that no man perish, right? And free will and the trap we're
• 51:57
  in the trap right from the set up, man.
• 51:59
  I didn't grow up too far from where you grew up.
• 52:01
  I grew up outside of Philadelphia, PA.
• 52:03
  So culturally, you know, I grew up not in the church.
• 52:06
  There was a couple of things you said that I could relate to, not
• 52:08
  in the in the sense of Santeria or I guess you could say
• 52:11
  Dominican influence locally, but there was a lot of things
• 52:14
  culturally where I grew up where I had no idea until after I've
• 52:18
  been baptized in the name of Jesus and was actually, you know
• 52:21
  what I'm saying, studying to show thyself well approved and
• 52:24
  with fear and trembling, processing stuff that I would
• 52:26
  look back on and go, wow, Oh my gosh, DMX those lyrics over and
• 52:31
  over again. You know, you know what I'm
• 52:33
  saying? Like there's all these different
• 52:34
  things that just seem. DMX is from where I'm from.
• 52:37
  Like, that's a hometown. He is a hometown hero right
• 52:40
  there too. And.
• 52:41
  What The thing is, is like there was a pre programming, right?
• 52:45
  Our culture, like there's all these lyrics.
• 52:47
  Darkman extreme has this stuff solidified in the minds of
• 52:50
  young. Not anymore today.
• 52:52
  And sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, but I feel adamant
• 52:54
  about this point because when we can recognize that the enemy is
• 52:59
  who God says he is and he really sneaks around and sets a well
• 53:02
  equipped stage to capture the mind of the youth.
• 53:05
  Because one of the most powerful things the Bible says, children,
• 53:09
  they're like an arrow that a man has in his quiver and he can
• 53:12
  shoot them where they go, right? But we see a lot of disagreement
• 53:16
  and dysfunction from father to son, from mother to son,
• 53:20
  household and American family. And the enemy just captured us
• 53:22
  in entertainment and music and all of these different things.
• 53:25
  So. I loved DMX, like loved him
• 53:30
  growing up like that was, you know, he he was the one from our
• 53:34
  city who, you know, he made a huge, I mean him and Mary J
• 53:38
  Blige, they made a huge too. She made a huge too.
• 53:41
  But you also got to understand I was, I was a rap artist.
• 53:44
  So that was like, you know, that was the guy.
• 53:47
  And it's, it's interesting looking at, you know, now that
• 53:52
  I'm older, now that I'm a Christian, looking at his
• 53:55
  struggle, it, it pains me because he would like as much as
• 54:02
  he was a mess, because he also, you know, he, he dealt with
• 54:05
  addiction issues as well as much as he was a mess.
• 54:09
  He always had a prayer on his album.
• 54:11
  He would talk about Jesus in, you know, in interviews, he
• 54:16
  would rap about Jesus. And he was actually one of the
• 54:22
  one of the people who went, I would hear the prayer on his
• 54:25
  album. It I wouldn't say it, it
• 54:27
  inspired me to go look into, into Jesus.
• 54:29
  That's that's not what I'm saying.
• 54:30
  But he was somebody that I looked up to that I'm like, oh,
• 54:34
  wow, this dude, you know, he's I, I call people religious back
• 54:37
  then like, oh, he's pretty, he's religious, you know, So I don't
• 54:41
  know if if that was like a subconscious seed planted or, or
• 54:45
  anything like that, but man, it, it's, it was tough to watch him
• 54:49
  go through all of the things that he went through, some of it
• 54:52
  self-imposed, some of it, you know, otherwise.
• 54:54
  But he definitely struggled a lot, man.
• 54:57
  Yeah, and the generation of people that wanted to mimic
• 55:01
  these these stars, quote UN quote when we were growing up.
• 55:05
  And it like you said, if you slow down and observe and watch
• 55:08
  them, you can see all of this wrestling.
• 55:10
  And so when I reflect and look back now, I'm going yo, look at
• 55:13
  all these spiritual battles and, and look at the, the torment
• 55:17
  that this person was experiencing with all that
• 55:20
  money, right? So you would think, you know
• 55:22
  what I'm saying, if you made it, it would be better.
• 55:25
  But you still see this emotion and it's almost like the power
• 55:28
  of the tongue, man. I just think about it because it
• 55:31
  was like Eminem and $0.50 when I was growing up.
• 55:34
  There's so much lyrical stuff that, well, like literally my
• 55:38
  sister said this to me when I came to the Lord.
• 55:40
  She's like, I'm like, what do I do first?
• 55:42
  Like I'm literally weeping. I'm 24 years old.
• 55:45
  I don't, you know, all this stuff happens in my life and I'm
• 55:47
  like what do I do 1st? And she's like, you need to
• 55:49
  change your music and change the way you speak and just sit
• 55:53
  before the Lord. Yeah, Changing, man, Changing.
• 55:59
  So I just did a reaction video on somebody that I disagree
• 56:02
  with, but I I agreed with what they said about music.
• 56:06
  And if there's songs that if I hear them, I go, I go back like
• 56:11
  it. It brings me back to that, that
• 56:13
  period of time, which is why I don't listen.
• 56:15
  Yeah, stuff I'm really like. I barely even listen to, like
• 56:19
  Christian music. I barely listen to music,
• 56:22
  period. I'm always listening to like a
• 56:23
  podcast or a audio book. I'm like a nerd.
• 56:27
  There's like there's almost no music going on anyway.
• 56:32
  Biocratics. It's like instrumental study.
• 56:35
  Music I listen to lyrics is no words.
• 56:39
  I'm like, no, I don't want anybody else's words in my head
• 56:42
  except for what I'm reading. When I'm studying or I'm working
• 56:45
  on something, I'll do that as well.
• 56:46
  I'll I'll listen to the lo fi music and.
• 56:50
  They do like Christian lo fi. I don't know what makes a
• 56:52
  difference but it's there. FLF my buddy who's a Christian
• 56:57
  hip hop dude from the West Coast talks about he loves listening
• 57:00
  to Christian lo fi and I'm like, so I think that was about a year
• 57:03
  and a half ago I started listening to that too, but.
• 57:05
  Yeah, I'm, I'm glad that Christians, you know, they they
• 57:07
  do their best to infiltrate to, to infiltrate the things that
• 57:13
  given us something where we could be like, all right, cool.
• 57:15
  Yeah, that's fine. You know, occupy until he comes
• 57:18
  doesn't mean we try to own the world.
• 57:19
  It literally means those who are the sons of God are led by the
• 57:22
  Spirit of God. So if you have the natural knack
• 57:24
  to create music, why not glorify God with it instead of it become
• 57:28
  like greasy, you know, like this, Like there's just certain
• 57:31
  music where I'm like, man, that's fake.
• 57:33
  That person is not really about that life.
• 57:35
  If you really were in the gutter with that person, they would not
• 57:37
  be. So let's just say what they seem
• 57:41
  to be. But man.
• 57:42
  So let's talk a little bit about your reaction videos.
• 57:45
  I've watched quite a few of yours.
• 57:47
  The information, you're literally going, here's what it
• 57:49
  says in the Bible. Here's context and now let's
• 57:52
  actually try to understand what this person, you know that that
• 57:55
  you're debunking their videos trying to present to you.
• 57:58
  It's a noble stance. I'm not going to say I agree.
• 58:00
  There's nobody I've ever met where I agreed with everything
• 58:02
  they said. Totally get it.
• 58:04
  But I I honor what you're doing. I see what you're doing.
• 58:08
  Yeah, So, you know, I, there's a few things that I expose.
• 58:12
  One obviously is new age stuff. You know, I'll, I'll do that
• 58:16
  just because they say so much nonsense that people just buy
• 58:18
  hook, line and sinker that I, I'm just like, no, I got to, I
• 58:22
  got to point this out. But whenever I'm, you know,
• 58:25
  reacting to like maybe a prosperity preacher or somebody
• 58:28
  who is using the spiritual gifts as like a, a way to abuse people
• 58:33
  or, or trap them into, into more bondage.
• 58:36
  You know, I, since I wasn't discipled at the beginning of my
• 58:40
  walk and I didn't know how to read the Bible, I believed a lot
• 58:43
  of like prosperity gospel stuff. I believed a lot of things that
• 58:48
  he kept me away from the true knowledge of, of God and kept me
• 58:52
  away from deepening my relationship with him because I
• 58:55
  had the superficial idea of who God was And it was a, it was a,
• 59:01
  a stumbling block for me. You know, I, I, I, I'm so
• 59:05
  bothered by the fact that there's so many people who are
• 59:09
  just amening straight up heresies.
• 59:13
  You know, that they're just amening things that the Bible
• 59:16
  doesn't teach. But you have somebody who's
• 59:18
  pretending to teach the Bible, teaching it, and because it
• 59:22
  tickles somebody ears, they believe in it.
• 59:25
  And I just want to try to course correct so that way people don't
• 59:29
  waste as much time as I did. You know, I'm just trying to
• 59:33
  help people. One, not be abused because
• 59:35
  church hurt is a real thing. We got enough craziness going on
• 59:39
  that we got to deal with that, keeping people in bondage in the
• 59:42
  church. To me, it's just, it's bananas.
• 59:44
  Why? Why are we doing this?
• 59:46
  And it's all for sales funnels and stuff.
• 59:48
  And I can't stand it. So I just, you know, if somebody
• 59:52
  makes a claim, back up the claim with Scripture in context.
• 59:56
  If you cannot do that, then don't make the claim, you know?
• 1:00:00
  And so I just want to I make these reaction videos.
• 1:00:04
  To just to help people think differently, even if it's just
• 1:00:07
  planting a seed for the moment of where they hear somebody else
• 1:00:13
  say something crazy that they'll be like, wait, I think that's
• 1:00:17
  wrong. And I'm hearing this incorrectly
• 1:00:21
  preached in multiple different areas.
• 1:00:23
  I think this is wrong and I need to now go tell people about it.
• 1:00:26
  So that's that's just why I make the reaction videos.
• 1:00:28
  It doesn't make me popular, but I do it.
• 1:00:32
  The word never returns void. And honestly, I think everything
• 1:00:39
  that's super popular now is going to be some weeping and
• 1:00:44
  gnashing of teeth on the other side.
• 1:00:45
  I'll never say names, but I have a feeling you know the scripture
• 1:00:48
  lines up with thoughts like if the world loves you, you're an
• 1:00:53
  enmity with with Christ, right. So if we're not genuine to what
• 1:00:57
  God is calling and not, God doesn't call everybody to be a
• 1:01:00
  teacher because there's a heart of judgment.
• 1:01:01
  God doesn't call everybody to be, you know, a prophet.
• 1:01:04
  But we see these gifts mentioned in the Bible.
• 1:01:07
  And when it's genuinely being presented, man, God will honor
• 1:01:12
  it. You know, I say stuff like this,
• 1:01:14
  man, if God is pleased with it, God will breathe on it and God
• 1:01:18
  will grow it. Not trying to chase down an
• 1:01:20
  audience, right? Not trying to go with the flow
• 1:01:22
  to be famous, not trying to link up with people just because of
• 1:01:25
  XY and Z. You can get something from them,
• 1:01:27
  but God, it says right here. Proverbs 22 true humility and
• 1:01:32
  fear of the Lord lead to riches, honor, and long life.
• 1:01:37
  There is no such thing as law of attraction and the way it's
• 1:01:40
  being presented that it's just, it's not there.
• 1:01:42
  You're being sold a lie. The law of attraction, it's
• 1:01:45
  misleading, it's misguiding. If you want some real truth to
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  whoever this listener who needs to hear this, I'm going to
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  repeat it. Proverbs 22 True humility and
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  fear of the Lord lead to riches, honor, and a long life.
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  King Solomon said Do good and fear God.
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  Right, so simple. It's so simple.
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  And obviously it's more complex as we get into our walks, but
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  just that's planting a seed, you know what I mean?
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  It is simple. At the same time, it is as we
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  walk with the Lord, we start to just understand.
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  Keep that simplicity always, but never be afraid to give the
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  answer in season and out of season.
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  Dude, it's been an honor to be on this part one with you.
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  I'm actually glad that I slowed it down and didn't try to just
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  jump into like some super meaty topics because now I I have the
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  excuse to say dude we, we have to do a Part 2.
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  Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm into it. I'm here for it.
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  Well, plug in where you can be found man.
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  Tell people where they can find you.
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  Do you have a preferred place where people purchase the book
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  as well? So I say Amazon just because
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  it's the only place you can get a physical copy.
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  It just was the easiest to do for me as I self published and
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  also I'm trying to get on the Amazon bestsellers like that
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  would be awesome. But so yeah, just type in John
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  Clash in the Amazon. But you can also get it at you
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  can get the audio book on iTunes.
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  You can get the audio book on Audible.
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  You can get the, it's not Kindle, but it's like Kindle the
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  the PDF, right? You can get yeah, yeah, you can
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  get that from from Barnes and Noble.
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  Yeah. I don't know why that was
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  escaping me at that point. Is late and we both have very
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  young children. It's 10:00 now and it's like you
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  fried. So we gave it our best.
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  I'll snip these little parts out and clean it up towards the end.
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  So I'll drop one more question on you and I'll let you close
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  this out real simple. So, John, I want you just to
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  give us some encouragement. One of my favorite verses in in
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  the whole entire Bible is Romans 828.
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  We know that all things work for the good for those who love God,
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  who are called according to his purpose.
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  And whenever I, I, whenever I think things are not going good,
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  I, I have to remind myself of that first because, you know, he
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  specifically tells us, we know that all things work for good
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  for those who love God. And if you love God, it means
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  that even when you're going through something bad, it's
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  eventually going to work out for your good.
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  And I also, I try my best to have an eternal view of
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  everything. You know, we can get so caught
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  up in the now and so caught up in, in focusing on what am I
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  going to do next? What am I going to do about my
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  future here? What am I just keep sewing into
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  the eternal Kingdom. You know, the, the rewards that
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  are there are eternal. The things that we have here are
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  so temporary. And it doesn't mean that you
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  shouldn't, you know, be ambitious and and you shouldn't
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  go try to build a good life and provide for your family and,
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  and, you know, be a joyful person to be around.
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  I'm not saying any of that. I'm just saying that always,
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  always keep an eternal view on things and, and it'll make life
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  much easier. And I'm also speaking to myself
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  because I can, I can find myself focusing on the now and what's
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  going on right now. You know, like we left our home
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  in Puerto Rico, we rented out the house out here and now we're
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  in Boston and it's like, all right, well, what's next?
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  We came here to have the baby book.
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  We got the baby now what's next? And so I kind of, I find myself
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  focusing on what's next right now, but I'm like, the most
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  important thing is what are me and my family doing that ripples
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  into eternity? And as long as we love God, all
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  things are going to work for good.
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  So I would say, you know, that that would be my encouragement
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  for the day. Could not have said it better
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  myself you guys. I need you to share this episode
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  with friends, family members, Co workers.
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  Share with your pastor coming to you from Southeastern PA.
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  God bless and goodbye. Man that was epic dude.
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  I'm sorry, I'm so tired you'll. Be too bad.
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  I have some good questions, but I'm like, man it, we're going to
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  get into a climax an hour into it and I'm not going to be able
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  to close. So.
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  Listen to this. Listen to this when, when I did
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  the cultish podcast, we did four episodes back-to-back, right?
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  Oh, wow. If you watch the 4th episode,
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  which was is the second law of attraction episode, you can, you
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  can tell that we're both off like you can, you can tell that
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  like, like we are running on fumes.
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  Plus I was like on the verge of getting sick too.
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  So like it, it's most people can't tell, you know, But when I
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  watch it, I'm like, Dang. What?
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  You knew what was happening. You got the inside scoop.
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  You were behind the scenes bro. And we were, you know, me and
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  Jeremiah, we were just like laughing like we, we had to
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  start over a few times because we would like our words were
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  jumbling our it was crazy. It was nuts.
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  Well, this, this is what's cool about about what I do here, man.
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  I give open invitations to certain people where I'm just
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  like, listen, I watch people and I pray about it and I'm like,
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  God, do you want this person on? Now I've had people on in the
• 1:07:19
  past that that I didn't have the correct discernment.
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  I'm not going to name names. I leave.
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  I tell people, eat the meat, spit out the buns, right.
• 1:07:26
  This is not a podcast for eternal truth always.
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  It's the premises of the what I do here is called in the day and
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  age where there's a million messages and signals causing
• 1:07:35
  confusion and chaos. Let's rock outlet.
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  Come with me. We're going to take this journey
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  and discover ultimate truth, which is always Yeshua, is
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  always Christ. But you know, we try to expose
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  the darkness. I'm a millennial, bro.
• 1:07:47
  I think you're a millennial too, right?
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  You're probably an elder millennial.
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  Yeah, I think I'm, I'm touching the, I'm touching the edge.
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  I was born on it, born in 84. OK, Yeah, no, you're right
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  there. You're I was 88, so you're right
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  there. And and I look at it and it's so
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  helpful for people. Not everything has to be like,
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  you know, theological and and super spiritual.
• 1:08:10
  It makes so much sense. But I give people an open
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  invitation because once I believe how God is using
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  somebody and I want to honor that person, I just say, you
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  know, let's slow it down. Let's do a multi part episode.
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  Yeah, definitely, definitely. You know, I really do believe
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  love is when we slow down and we're honoring somebody else,
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  right? And all these other gifts,
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  they're necessary, they're needed.
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  But but the word says if you don't have love, it's a banging
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  symbol. So I believe Jesus gave people
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  affirmations as well as, you know, his healing and he's got
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  in the flesh. You do whatever he wants, but
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  you see him do that. So I'm trying to live that out.
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  And when I see somebody I appreciate, I want you to walk
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  away knowing that that I see what you're doing.
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  You have support, you have intercessors behind the scenes.
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  You might not know all these people, but there there's people
• 1:09:03
  who really believe in what God's doing to you, man.
• 1:09:06
  So I just wanted to affirm that in you, you are not alone and
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  God is. He's got his eye on you and
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  there's people who believe in you out there that are praying
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  for you man. So just keep going,
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  music. The.