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Best of Brian Thomas - Happy New Year! · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Eight oh five fifty five KRCD Talk Station, A very
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  Speaker 1: happy Wednesday to I have been looking forward to this
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  Speaker 1: moment in time since I got here in the morning
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  Speaker 1: show to find out that Tom Clavin is on the rundown.
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  Speaker 1: He's joined the program right now to talk about his
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  Speaker 1: new book. By way of background, you probably already know him,
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  Speaker 1: best selling author of twenty five let Me Underscore the
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  Speaker 1: Word non fiction books on military history, sports and entertainment.
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  Speaker 1: His writing career began in journalism as a rover reporter
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  Speaker 1: for The New York Times fifteen years, as well as
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  Speaker 1: contributed in multiple national magazines, awarded numerous prizes by the
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  Speaker 1: Society of Professional Journalists National Newspaper Association. His books multiple
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  Speaker 1: award winners, including six that made it to the New
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  Speaker 1: York Times Bestseller He has written several screenplays, including a
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  Speaker 1: couple of his books that are currently being developed as
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  Speaker 1: screen projects. And I'm guessing, Tom Claven welcome that this
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  Speaker 1: book we're talking about this morning is going to be
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  Speaker 1: number three. I want to see a movie about this
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  Speaker 1: running Deep Bravery survival and the true story of the
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  Speaker 1: deadliest submarine in World War I to Tom, it's a
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  Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on the program.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you for having me back on the show.
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  Speaker 2: And I agree it would make a terrific movie. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: terrific story. So to begin with, it's insane.
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  Speaker 1: And you know right now there is a man in
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  Speaker 1: my listening audience, a dear friend of mine, a career submariner,
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  Speaker 1: spent his entire career in the military and submarines. And
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  Speaker 1: Mike is out there sitting on the edge of a seat.
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  Speaker 1: You've already sold one book, I assure you, Tom, And
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  Speaker 1: he knew about this boat. He knew about the Captain
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  Speaker 1: Richard Okaine, which is featured in the book. So let's
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  Speaker 1: dive on into it. You described this is the deadliest
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  Speaker 1: submarine in World War Two.
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  Speaker 3: So like.
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  Speaker 1: Pilots get kills and they can become you know, certain
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  Speaker 1: levels of pilots an ace. For example, this sub sunk
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  Speaker 1: more vessels than any the other in the entire World
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  Speaker 1: War two.
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  Speaker 2: It did it did? It is the USS Tang and
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  Speaker 2: it was the best attack submarine the US had in
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  Speaker 2: the Pacific theater. And it sank thirty three Japanese ships
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  Speaker 2: and what have sunk except that ran into it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: ran into an entire convoy that was trying to take
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  Speaker 2: out It proved to be a little too much. But
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  Speaker 2: the Tang was was the most recognized. And I'm glad
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned about your friend who knew knows about Richard o'caine,
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  Speaker 2: because amongst some mariners there seems to be a recognition
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  Speaker 2: of Ocaine and he's like the Navy equivalent of Audie Murphy. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: but to the general public they don't. They've never heard
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  Speaker 2: of the guy, which is which is a shame because
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  Speaker 2: he was great Git, the heroic character in World War Two.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I wait to you here. We'll get a
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  Speaker 1: brief little sliver of the excitement that these men were
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  Speaker 1: involved with on the submarine. But Mike wanted you and
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  Speaker 1: meet to know my listening audience is going to pass along.
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  Speaker 1: There was a street named after the Tang in Groton,
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  Speaker 1: Connecticut at the submarine base, and the CEO there Richard
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  Speaker 1: Dick o'caine is also apparently they have a officers quarters
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  Speaker 1: named after him on the sub bay. So everyone in
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  Speaker 1: the Navy knows who this guy is. Let's talk about
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  Speaker 1: some of the action they First off, what was life
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  Speaker 1: like in a World War time submarine? I can't imagine
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  Speaker 1: it was fun.
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  Speaker 4: No, it wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: And in fact, you can only volunteer for submarine duty.
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  Speaker 2: You cannot be assigned to it because it was. It
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  Speaker 2: was not only very cramped and very tight quarters. You're claustrophobic,
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  Speaker 2: you were sunk, you can say, but it was dangerous.
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  Speaker 5: It was.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the mortality rate for a submarine sailor was
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  Speaker 2: six times that of a surface ship sailor, so that
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  Speaker 2: we lost fifty two boats was sunk during World War two,
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  Speaker 2: and so there was a lot of a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the Navy guys they said it was nothing to do
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  Speaker 2: with submarines, but they turned out to be especially effective,
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  Speaker 2: and the tang was was head and shoulders above the
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  Speaker 2: other submarines and being able to hunt down and sink
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  Speaker 2: Japanese shipping.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're right about psychological profile to serve on a submarine.
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  Speaker 1: I personally would not pass that test. The idea of
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  Speaker 1: it's less about claustrophobia, Tom, but the idea of depth
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  Speaker 1: charges exploding around you in any moment in time you
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  Speaker 1: I implode and sink to the bottom of the sea,
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  Speaker 1: which we're going to talk about here in a minute.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you could be bonded, you'd be sailing on
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  Speaker 2: the surface and as plane spots you, it could bother you.
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  Speaker 2: You could be underwater and a depth charges like you said,
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  Speaker 2: could come and get you. There could be a malfunction.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing is when a submarine is in danger
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  Speaker 2: of sinking and it goes under the water, there's no
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  Speaker 2: way to go. I mean, one of the things about
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  Speaker 2: if you're ont a destroyer or a battleship or an
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  Speaker 2: aircraft carrier and it's damaged, you have the option of
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  Speaker 2: getting into a lifeboat or if you need to jump
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  Speaker 2: overboard and hold on to something. In a submarine, there's
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  Speaker 2: no jumping overboard. There's no way out. So that's another
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  Speaker 2: reason why it was especially risky and tension film the
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  Speaker 2: way of serving the Navy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you go into great detail about this and then
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  Speaker 1: let's fast forward and obviously I don't want a huge
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  Speaker 1: reveal on this, but it's so exciting conceptually. This is
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  Speaker 1: the book selling moment right here, at this moment in time,
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  Speaker 1: Tom claven, Let's fast forward to October twenty fourth, nineteen
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  Speaker 1: forty four.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, eighty one years ago, this Friday, and the tang
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  Speaker 2: is in the Foremosa Strait, which is off the coast
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  Speaker 2: of China and it encounters an entire Japanese convoy. Now,
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  Speaker 2: some submarines were operated in packs, were the one submarine,
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  Speaker 2: but the tank was always a kind of a lone wolf.
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  Speaker 2: It was by itself. I saw this convoy, it couldn't
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  Speaker 2: let it pass pass through. So an attack that took
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  Speaker 2: out an entire convoy. It was actually destroying it when
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  Speaker 2: it fired its last torpedo, which boomerang came back and
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  Speaker 2: struck the tang. It sank to one undred It came
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  Speaker 2: to the rest of the bottom one hundred and eighty feet.
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  Speaker 2: The captain and some of the crew members rightaged to survive.
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  Speaker 2: It's a really exciting sequence to tell out of the boat.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, there's a lot of process here. They were sunk
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  Speaker 1: by their own torpedo. I didn't even know that was
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  Speaker 1: a concept, Tom. I guess we're happy we have more
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  Speaker 1: modern technology that can't happen anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 2: One of the reveals I think of Running Deep is
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  Speaker 2: how inadequate a lot of our torpedoes were. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: when you watch a movie about World War Two and
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  Speaker 2: somebody fires the tort it always hits the target, but
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  Speaker 2: a lot of times too often, and where we're to
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  Speaker 2: the reality was that that torpedoes would explode too early,
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  Speaker 2: they would be completely duds, and they can boomerang. They
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  Speaker 2: could the gyroscope would go crazy and they would come
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  Speaker 2: around as a case of the tank and strike the
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  Speaker 2: tank in the stern. It sank stern first. A lot
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  Speaker 2: of the guys and the boat were killed, but some
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  Speaker 2: managed to escape and get to the surface where you know,
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  Speaker 2: they went to the frying pans of the fire because
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  Speaker 2: they were rescued by Japanese sailors who weren't too happy
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  Speaker 2: about the submarine that I just destroyed a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the shipping.
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  Speaker 1: No, I imagine not so they sink one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: eighty feet down. Eighty seven total crew men were on
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  Speaker 1: this submarine, which again I'm trying to struggle with the
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  Speaker 1: reality of the living conditions in this tightest space with
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  Speaker 1: eighty seven but nine and managed to get to the surface.
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  Speaker 1: Can I just say a screal briefly, how on the
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  Speaker 1: hell do you get from one hundred and eighty feet
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  Speaker 1: down in a sealed container to get to the surface.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, there are two or three the captain
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  Speaker 2: and the cup of guys were on the bridge when
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  Speaker 2: the torpedo hits. They were thrown into the water, but
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  Speaker 2: there were six others that down below that.
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  Speaker 6: They had this.
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  Speaker 2: Device called the bombson lung which was invented right before
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  Speaker 2: the war, which you put it on and it's sort
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  Speaker 2: of like it's not a scuba diving kind of thing,
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  Speaker 2: and so that's just a little inflatable thing.
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  Speaker 6: But the idea was.
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  Speaker 2: They could give you enough oxygen to give you a
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  Speaker 2: chance to get to the surface. And so that's what
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  Speaker 2: these guys did. They put any bombs of lungs they
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  Speaker 2: got into it the escape chamber, they would push down
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  Speaker 2: into the water and they headed for the surface. Some
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  Speaker 2: made it, some did not.
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  Speaker 1: Now I have to ask you, are these like parachutes.
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  Speaker 1: Every of the eight, every one of the eighty seven
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  Speaker 1: crewmen had one of the us to use.
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  Speaker 4: Well, they were on board, let's put it that way.
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  Speaker 2: Life preservers. You didn't bother or even think about them
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  Speaker 2: until you absolutely needed them and hope they would work.
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  Speaker 2: It was like one was issued to every sailor, like
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  Speaker 2: hopefully in the escape chamber you'd find them available.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So when they make it to the top,
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  Speaker 1: the remaining nine survivor and nine survivors. They were in
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  Speaker 1: fact captured by the Japanese and placed in what you
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  Speaker 1: described in the book as a torture camp.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, torture camp because they they were considered almost like
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  Speaker 2: terrorists because they preyed on civilian shipping, which you know,
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  Speaker 2: like the Japanese equivalent of the Virgin Marine, and so
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  Speaker 2: they were in the brutal conditions very similar to what
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  Speaker 2: the book Unbroken. In fact, Louis Zamparini, he was the
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  Speaker 2: hero of the book Unbroken, was one of Captain o'caine's
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  Speaker 2: fellow officers at this particular torture camp, and Ocane was
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  Speaker 2: a particular target because once they found out he was
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  Speaker 2: the captain of the submarine that had destroyed more shipping,
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  Speaker 2: more of their boats than any ships than any of
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  Speaker 2: the submarine, they really had it out for him and
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  Speaker 2: he barely survived. But to the camp we.
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  Speaker 1: Liberated home on, I bet he was a target of
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  Speaker 1: some serious abuse, sir, I truly believe that. Oh yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: and he did, I guess ultimately earn the highest award
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  Speaker 1: of the land, the Medal of Honor, as well as
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  Speaker 1: other decorations. Was it for his service obviously on the
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  Speaker 1: Tang but was because of this particular operation where they
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  Speaker 1: sunk so many of this Japanese fleet. Is that the
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  Speaker 1: basis for his receiving the Medal of Honor.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I should point out that Richard O'Kane was like
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  Speaker 2: the Audie Murphy of the US Navy. He was the
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  Speaker 2: most decorated naval officer of World War Two. So he
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  Speaker 2: had already been recognized for his service for operating, being
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  Speaker 2: the captain of this terrific effective submarine. But I think
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  Speaker 2: what got in the Medal of Honor is that during
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  Speaker 2: his captivity in the torture camp, he endured, and he
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  Speaker 2: got his men to endure, he got others to endure.
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  Speaker 2: He was really an inspiration that he would Basically I
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  Speaker 2: almost called this book Undefeated. He refused to be defeated
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  Speaker 2: by no matter what the Japanese hold out to him,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that helped other people survive terrific conditions.
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  Speaker 2: So I think the Medal of Honor was different for
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  Speaker 2: his survival and the survival of others. Wow, and a
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  Speaker 2: great lesson to be learned for us who struggle with
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  Speaker 2: you know, a fraction of the day to day challenges
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  Speaker 2: that he struggled with, you know, inspiration can be derived
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  Speaker 2: from a man who walked out of a torture camp
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  Speaker 2: at ninety pounds after being subjected to that abuse. That's truly,
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  Speaker 2: truly something be said, Tom Clayven, Let me ask you this,
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  Speaker 2: did you have in doing your research for this? Did
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  Speaker 2: you have access to diaries or personal accounts by the
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  Speaker 2: people who served on the ship on the submarine. Where
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  Speaker 2: did you come up with the information to understand these
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  Speaker 2: day to day conditions and what they went through. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad you mention that, because they they When the
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  Speaker 2: survivors of the tank got back to the United States
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  Speaker 2: and once they recovered enough physically from their various injuries,
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  Speaker 2: they were all debriefed. And there's also all histories at
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  Speaker 2: the World War Two Center Museum in New Orleans. Richard
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  Speaker 2: o'caine years later, which is very interesting, he wrote a
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  Speaker 2: book called Clear the Bridge about his experiences as the
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  Speaker 2: tank captain, but he only devoted two pages to his
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  Speaker 2: a year long incarceration in the torture camp. Like even
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  Speaker 2: years later, he couldn't he couldn't bear to write about it.
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  Speaker 2: There are other officers that kept diaries, so yes, there
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  Speaker 2: was thankfully lucky for me a lot of archivro material
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  Speaker 2: to draw from.
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  Speaker 1: How did I'd never heard of the tank obviously didn't
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  Speaker 1: serve in the military, most notably Navy on a submarine
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  Speaker 1: like Mike did. But how did you learn personally of
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  Speaker 1: the tang and Richard O'Kaine to write this book? Because
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  Speaker 1: this is yet another, as far as I know, untold
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  Speaker 1: story coming out of World War Two. It's twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: You'd think we'd have heard all of this by now, Tom.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly how could there still be a story we don't
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  Speaker 2: know about? But again, I was researching something else and
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  Speaker 2: I stumbled upon I mentioned of Audio Murphy, comparing him
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  Speaker 2: to Richard O'Kaine because of being the most decorated officers.
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  Speaker 2: I said, I never heard of this guy. Most people
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  Speaker 2: have heard of Audio Murphy because he went on to
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  Speaker 2: become a Hollywood.
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  Speaker 6: Star and made movies right like that.
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  Speaker 2: But Richard O'Cain, who the heck is that?
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  Speaker 6: You know?
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  Speaker 2: A guy who born in New Hampshire and he became
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  Speaker 2: one of the most decorated officer of the Navy. So
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  Speaker 2: that's how I sort of stumbled upon it. And it
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  Speaker 2: was one of those things where I just kept peeling
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  Speaker 2: back layers and finding more information and more information found
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  Speaker 2: out about the Tang. How con nobody noticed it about
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  Speaker 2: the Tang and the most effective submarine in World War Two.
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  Speaker 2: So the more I learned, the more I realized, this
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  Speaker 2: is just an incredible story. And thankfully it's not been told,
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  Speaker 2: you know, for a mainstream audience until Running Deep.
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  Speaker 1: That's why we have you, Tom Claven doing it time
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  Speaker 1: after time after time. Twenty five non fiction books. I
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  Speaker 1: guess does this make it twenty six or is this
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  Speaker 1: number twenty five?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm like Jack Benny who never got past
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  Speaker 2: age thirty nine. I had twenty five books. That's this
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  Speaker 2: my story of sticking to it.
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  Speaker 7: There you go.
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  Speaker 1: Congratulations on the winning of the New York Times bestseller.
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  Speaker 1: Another one. We're going to talk about six New York
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  Speaker 1: Times bestsellers. Everyone's going to want to get a copy
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  Speaker 1: of Running Deep, Bravery Survival and the True Story of
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  Speaker 1: the deadliest submarine of World War Two. Tom, It's always
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  Speaker 1: a pleasure talking with you. Keep up the great work.
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  Speaker 1: And I know my listen is going to grab up
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  Speaker 1: a copy of this. We've already got out on my
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  Speaker 1: blog page of fifty five cars dot Com to make
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  Speaker 1: it really easy for them to do that to be
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  Speaker 1: able to get a copy of my next guest book,
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  Speaker 1: The Broken Whistle, A Deep State running up My guess.
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  Speaker 1: The author Pedro Israel or Tom Miami, born son of
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  Speaker 1: Cuman immigrants who fled the tyranny of Fidel Castro's Communism.
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  Speaker 1: He brings his eighteen years experience as a Central Intelligence
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  Speaker 1: Agency veteran to his memoir, having served in the war
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  Speaker 1: torn regions like Iraq, Afghanistan, and other undisclosed locations in
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  Speaker 1: the Middle East, and at the Inspector General for the
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  Speaker 1: intelligence community, working with on whistleblower cases is bravery and
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  Speaker 1: exposing abuses of power led to retribution and termination. Despite
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  Speaker 1: earning eight Exceptional Performance Awards for his contributions to the
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  Speaker 1: US national security mostly encountered terrorism operations. Bachelor's degree in
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  Speaker 1: political science from Florida University summa cum laude graduate and
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  Speaker 1: master's degree in Security policy Studies in George Washington University,
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  Speaker 1: specializing in defense policy, transnational security issues, and political psychology.
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  Speaker 1: The book again, A Broken Whistle, A Deep stak running
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  Speaker 1: buck Pedro Ortu, Welcome to the fifty five KC Morning Show.
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  Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to have you on.
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  Speaker 8: Good morning. Thank you so much for having it on
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  Speaker 8: your show this morning.
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  Speaker 1: And perfect time. I don't know if I know you
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  Speaker 1: have seen Tucker Carlson's interview with Vladimir putin its reference
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  Speaker 1: in the materials. His interview the other day with Mike
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  Speaker 1: Banz from mid February censored the National Security State and
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  Speaker 1: the inversion of democracy. It was a frightening account by
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  Speaker 1: Mike Ben's of how our lettered agencies are all working
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  Speaker 1: inwardly to control the narrative on social media, to the
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  Speaker 1: exclusion of other alternative points of view, to the suppression
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  Speaker 1: of factual information on narratives we get from our government.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this seems to be such a fundamental violation
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  Speaker 1: of our freedoms, our liberties, and our constitutional rights. You
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  Speaker 1: were kind of a victim of all this, and you
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  Speaker 1: talk about it in the Broken Whistle.
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  Speaker 8: In my case, it was from an internal perspective. By law,
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  Speaker 8: if you see longdoing waste fraud views significant and specific
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  Speaker 8: endangerment to public safety, as a federal civilian bureaucrat, you're
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  Speaker 8: supposed to report it to your authorized officials through authorized channels,
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  Speaker 8: basically superiors that all the way up to the head
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  Speaker 8: of the agency and even the Inspector General. When you
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  Speaker 8: do that, you're doing an act of blowing to whistle.
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  Speaker 8: Most whistle blowers are accidental whistle blowers. I didn't even
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  Speaker 8: know I was blowing to whistle, so I did it accidentally.
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  Speaker 8: So once you do that, by law, they're not supposed
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  Speaker 8: to take any personnel actions against you. They're supposed to
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  Speaker 8: investigate and determine if indeed there's something going on and
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  Speaker 8: fix it, which it's the way it's supposed to be done. Well,
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  Speaker 8: in my case, the hammer came down against me and
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  Speaker 8: they basically ran me out of CIA. I had to
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  Speaker 8: take shelter in the Office of Inspector. Generally get don't's community.
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  Speaker 8: It was a long process of just bureaucredit beating, bullying,
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  Speaker 8: using every element of the agency. It was literally a
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  Speaker 8: criminal conspiracy to cover up the violations of law I
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  Speaker 8: had reported. So eventually what happens is they have to
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  Speaker 8: investigate their reprisals. Well, they got into a criminal conspiracy
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  Speaker 8: to investigate the reprisals. So it led to me blowing
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  Speaker 8: the whistle a second time on the broken whistle on
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  Speaker 8: these processes being broken. The second time, I went all
• 16:10
  Speaker 8: the way up the chain of command to the Director
• 16:11
  Speaker 8: of the CIA himself, the Director of National Intelligence, and
• 16:15
  Speaker 8: even Congress. But my disclosures to Congress apparently may have
• 16:20
  Speaker 8: never made it to Congress because the IG refused to
• 16:23
  Speaker 8: send the disclosures to Congress, the CIA refused to send
• 16:27
  Speaker 8: certain materials. So it was just a vast criminal conspiracy
• 16:31
  Speaker 8: to hide their wrongdoing and make sure that I would
• 16:34
  Speaker 8: be chased out. And since I refused to quit, then
• 16:38
  Speaker 8: they basically sent the Office of Security like a big
• 16:41
  Speaker 8: bad bully to threaten me that if I wouldn't shut up,
• 16:44
  Speaker 8: they would fire me. And since I didn't shut up,
• 16:47
  Speaker 8: that's exactly what they did. The point is, it's unaccountable
• 16:52
  Speaker 8: government power that violates the law because no one holds
• 16:56
  Speaker 8: them accountable. And what we're missing here is the congressional
• 16:59
  Speaker 8: element of oversight to make sure that the laws matter.
• 17:03
  Speaker 8: And if we get to the point where the laws
• 17:06
  Speaker 8: don't matter, we're running into basically lawlessness and tyranny and
• 17:10
  Speaker 8: consequently abuse us of power. And that's how we get
• 17:14
  Speaker 8: to what Tucker was talking about with Mike Bents. We
• 17:18
  Speaker 8: have got a bloated bureaucracy that is unaccountable and Unfortunately,
• 17:27
  Speaker 8: it has the power to violate the laws and not
• 17:32
  Speaker 8: be held accountable for it, and it leads us into
• 17:35
  Speaker 8: these vast abuses that even know it shuts down political dissent,
• 17:41
  Speaker 8: It targets political dissent like the Jay six ers.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: It tries to shape the.
• 17:45
  Speaker 8: Narrative politically on every aspect of social media. And you
• 17:50
  Speaker 8: would have to do a historical deep dive on how
• 17:52
  Speaker 8: we got here too, because what has happened is although
• 17:56
  Speaker 8: we had the Church Committee with oversight in the nineteen
• 17:59
  Speaker 8: seven these mid seventies, once you start going up to
• 18:03
  Speaker 8: nine to eleven September eleventh, two thousand and one, vast
• 18:07
  Speaker 8: powers were given to the national security bureaucracy and those
• 18:10
  Speaker 8: powers allow them to turn the switch on and off
• 18:14
  Speaker 8: at will to target Americans through counterintelligence or counter terrorism prejudices.
• 18:21
  Speaker 8: And that's what has happened. And you look at Jay six.
• 18:24
  Speaker 8: They counted as an insurrection as a terrorism threat, so
• 18:28
  Speaker 8: they can flip that switch on and.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Target these people.
• 18:31
  Speaker 8: And unless we get Congress involved to do some oversight,
• 18:35
  Speaker 8: these abuses will continue.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, I couldn't agree with you more on that, and
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: the FIZA abuses that we've learned about over the years
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: that they were going after Donald Trump like a rabid
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: dogs are to me just absolutely horrific violations of a
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Fourth Amendment right to be free of unreasonable searches and caizars.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: They are literally literally searching through our effects and papers
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: without any any belief that anyone out here in the
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: world has committed a crime, and that is a fundamental
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: violation of our constitutional rights. We don't have standing. This
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: is something I want to ask you about, Pedro, author
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: of Broken Whistle, Deep State Running Bok.
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: You have been.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Directly harmed by these violations. There is a whistleblower statue
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: you mentioned that you go in. Initially you're considered a whistleblower,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: and then the pressure lorded down upon you is a
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: second abuse, which again you are you flagg don't you?
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Have you ever consulted with counsel about maybe filing an
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: action based upon the violations of the law that the
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: CIA has engaged in or I'm just trying to wonder
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: if there's some recourse beyond congressional action, because Congress doesn't
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: seem to be able to do anything.
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: Well.
• 19:41
  Speaker 8: The problem is the law is so weak that it
• 19:44
  Speaker 8: that it is unenforceable, so I have no legality and
• 19:50
  Speaker 8: the law. The short answer to a very long answer
• 19:53
  Speaker 8: is Congress has created the situation with their lack of oversight.
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: The no legal remedy is based the way the law
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: is structured. The Inspector Generals have to do an investigation.
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: But what happens a lot of the times is they
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: do sham incomplete bias predetermined outcome investigations if they do one,
• 20:17
  Speaker 8: and they also don't adhere to the terms on the
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: time limits. So the further away you get from an
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: act of reprisal, the further or actually what happens is
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: the harder it is to substantiate a reprisal. So you
• 20:31
  Speaker 8: may have an IG that does a reprisal investigation five
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: seven years after the fact and they say, well, no,
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: we did not substantiate the reprisal. That does not mean
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: the reprisal did not happen. That means the IG didn't
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: find a reprisal. And you're right, I mean it's a
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: blatant violation of the law because on paper I have
• 20:51
  Speaker 8: law saying that I'm protected, but they don't enforce the laws.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Does the fox guarding a henhouse of reality?
• 21:02
  Speaker 8: Well, the inspector general system that's that's another topic that
• 21:06
  Speaker 8: can be discussed is inherently flawed and broken. They are
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: driven by two six months reports every year to Congress
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: through their agency head and basically that the report is
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: to find fraud, waste and abuse to save those agencies money.
• 21:27
  Speaker 8: And they're always looking for a way to spend the
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: narratives say we did X amount of cases, recovered x
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: amount of funds that you know, we investigated or actually
• 21:37
  Speaker 8: evaluate a certain aspect of operations and we determined that
• 21:40
  Speaker 8: they can tweak and do a couple of little changes,
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: and they think a little bit better. You know, we
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: did some audits and we determined that we're in compliance.
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: It's basically just paper, that's.
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: All it is.
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: It's just a report. So they're running like a hamster
• 21:55
  Speaker 8: on you know, the wheel, just going through the motion
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: of creating those reports twice a year. So they will
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: look for what we call low hanging fruit, like for example,
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: when the CIAIG was approached with an instance of candy
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: machine theft of about three thousand dollars that same day,
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: they opened an investigation. Within sixty days, they had already
• 22:22
  Speaker 8: made referrals for prosecution to the attorneys in the local district,
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: which declined prosecution and it became an internal matter. But
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: when I reported the reprisal, it took them roughly one
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: hundred and eighty days to finally open an investigation. And
• 22:40
  Speaker 8: after they opened an investigation, it took them an additional
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: I do remember if it was like five hundred days
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: to say they finished an investigation that was totally incomplete
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: and flawed because they failed to talk to witnesses. They
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: predetermined the outcome of the answers to the questions they
• 22:56
  Speaker 8: gave to witness, they didn't allow the witness to volunteer
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: extra infant I mean it was just shocking. That's all
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: I've got to.
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: Say about that.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Wow, this is and I guess I have to answer
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: you for we part company a fascinating account, Broken Whistle,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Deep State Running Back. Did you write this for Congress
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: in a way? I mean, obviously you're enlightening the general public,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: and so we would encourage our elected officials to do
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: something about these abuses. But I suppose you had maybe
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: our elected officials in mind when you wrote the book.
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: I certainly did, But more importantly, I wrote it for
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: the common day Americans, so they can see that I'm
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: a common day American. Yes, sir, born and raised in
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: the United States of America. And look what happens to
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: somebody of their own current internally. If they do this
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: to somebody that's internally, imagine what they'll do to somebody.
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: On the outside.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Look at the Jay sixers. So I ended it with
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: my epilogue, who will speak up for you when they.
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: Come looking for you? The American people need to wake
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: up for their slomburgler LeFarge eet, their apathy and their complacency,
• 23:59
  Speaker 8: and becoming the involved and active in any form, in
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: any way that they can help our constitutional republic. Worlds,
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: we're going to lose our constitutional republic and go down
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: this path of tyranny. So it's time to wake up
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: and do something.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: And we will put that statement all caps in bold
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: and underscored. Pedro Israel or to get a copy of
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: the Broken Whistle at Deep State Run Amuck Memoir of
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: a CIA whistleblower at fifty five krs dot com. Pedro,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for standing up and speaking truth
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: to power. It's a beautiful thing to behold. You're part
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: of the solution, my friend. Happy to welcome to the PI.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Give up hearsee Marty, someone you're probably already know. She
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: is a best selling author Jane Healy, author of this
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: book we're going to be talking about this morning, good
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Night from Paris. Also author of The Secret Stealer, which
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: was wildly successful as well as Beantonge Girls, Washington Posts
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: and Amazon Charts bestseller. Graduate of the University Newmpshire in
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Northeastern University. I want to cut right to the chase
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: chain and we'll have up to the eight fifteen. So
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: let's dive on into the book. Welcome to the program,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: And this is a true story. I've interviewed a lot
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: of authors over the years about World War two stories,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: both works of historical fiction as well as nonfiction works,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: and I'm always amazed, as much as I heard about
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: World War Two, there's always somebody else that emerges, a
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: story that nobody's ever heard about. And it's just mind
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: blowing the stories that people haven't heard about because they
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: it seems to me always to be some story that
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: you think everybody would know about. Welcome to the program, Jane,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: it's good to have you on.
• 25:29
  Speaker 10: Thank you so much for having me. Brian, and yes,
• 25:31
  Speaker 10: I completely agree. It just when you think that there's
• 25:33
  Speaker 10: no more stories to tell about World War Two, another
• 25:36
  Speaker 10: one comes along like this one. I wasn't really intending
• 25:40
  Speaker 10: to write another World War two historical fiction novel, but
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: I discovered the story of this nineteen thirties actress. Her
• 25:47
  Speaker 10: name was Drew Layton, and what she did during the
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: war was really incredible.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I always try to really force myself to
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: keep things in historical perspective. Nineteen thirty was not the
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: way it is in twenty twenty three. From the know
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: how men and women relate and the nature of where
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: they were in society. So when I read a story
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and learn about a woman like Drew Layton, it just
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: it's really cool to see how much they were able
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: to accomplish in really a male dominated world.
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: Yes, absolutely, Yeah, So to give you some background, she
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: was a Hollywood actress in the nineteen thirty She was
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: best known for the Charlie Chan film and she in
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: nineteen thirty eight met the love of her life, Jacques Tartier,
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: who was Frenchman, and she left it all behind and
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: moved to Paris. And then, of course, as we know,
• 26:37
  Speaker 10: the war started in nineteen thirty nine and Jacques went
• 26:40
  Speaker 10: off to war, and she didn't know what to do.
• 26:43
  Speaker 10: There wasn't a lot of acting jobs, obviously, but she
• 26:46
  Speaker 10: ended up getting a job as essentially the first voice
• 26:49
  Speaker 10: of America on the radio, broadcasting news to America from
• 26:54
  Speaker 10: France on what was really happening on the continent of Europe.
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: And she did such a good job that the Nazis
• 27:02
  Speaker 10: started announcing on German radio that when they occupied France,
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: they would execute your ladies.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Wow. And I was going to ask that I couldn't
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: recall what year the France got occupied, but she was
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: broadcasting from Paris, France, this anti Nazi you know, I
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: will say propaganda, but it was truth, speaking about what
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: the Nazis roll about. But she was in Paris doing that.
• 27:22
  Speaker 10: She was in Paris doing that before the occupation, and
• 27:26
  Speaker 10: then Paris was occupied and she fled the city for
• 27:29
  Speaker 10: a while but ended up coming back. Paris was occupied
• 27:31
  Speaker 10: in June nineteen forty, so she ended up coming back.
• 27:35
  Speaker 10: And you know, she she kind of lived a life
• 27:38
  Speaker 10: during the war, always looking over her shoulder. She used
• 27:40
  Speaker 10: her marry name Tartier, so that they wouldn't they wouldn't
• 27:44
  Speaker 10: track her down. But you know, she was a stunning
• 27:46
  Speaker 10: tall blonde actress, so it was she wasn't It wasn't
• 27:50
  Speaker 10: easy for her to hide and play in sight, but
• 27:52
  Speaker 10: somehow she managed to do that. And not only did
• 27:54
  Speaker 10: she do that, but she eventually started being part of
• 27:59
  Speaker 10: the underground at work getting Allied flyers who were landing
• 28:02
  Speaker 10: in occupied territories out of the occupied territories to safety well.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: And I understand in spite of the fact that they
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: promised to execute her for what she had said before
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: the occupation, she did get arrested by the Nazis.
• 28:17
  Speaker 10: She did, and they'd never They arrested her for being American,
• 28:22
  Speaker 10: but they never made the connection that Drew Tatier was
• 28:25
  Speaker 10: Drew Layton, which is amazing. And this is another aspect
• 28:28
  Speaker 10: of the story that was so fascinated by. After Pearl Harbor,
• 28:32
  Speaker 10: the Nazis rounded up a number of American female expatriots
• 28:36
  Speaker 10: living in Paris and the surrounding area and they arrested them.
• 28:40
  Speaker 10: There were several hundred of them. They arrested them, and
• 28:42
  Speaker 10: their first place for prison was a zoo outside Paris.
• 28:46
  Speaker 10: They arrested them and put them in the monkey house,
• 28:49
  Speaker 10: and their friends and family had to pay five francs
• 28:52
  Speaker 10: to like yell over the fence to them, and you know,
• 28:57
  Speaker 10: and they'd be yelling back, like, you know, bring me
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: my socks and underwear, like you know. It was crazy.
• 29:02
  Speaker 10: And so that actually was one of the first stories
• 29:06
  Speaker 10: I learned about when I was researching the Secrets Sealers
• 29:09
  Speaker 10: where Drew was mentioned, and I was like, how did
• 29:11
  Speaker 10: I not know that a few hundred women were you know,
• 29:14
  Speaker 10: American women were prison in prison in a zoo in
• 29:18
  Speaker 10: Paris in nineteen you know, after post Parl Harbor. It's crazy.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: It is crazy. And again another fun fact you learned
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: so late in the game, so many years after the war,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: but it did happen. I guess I'm wondering because after
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: she she was helped able to escape from the prison camp.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I guess that's the interim story before she started working
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: and joining the resistance movement to help you know, fairy
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: airmen who were down in and helped them escape to freedom.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: But in the middle, though she got out of the
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: prison camp, how was she able to manage that? I
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: don't want to do too many spoilers, but it's kind
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: of an interesting component of the story.
• 29:50
  Speaker 10: It's a very interesting component. So they were in the
• 29:52
  Speaker 10: in prison in the zoo for a few days, maybe
• 29:55
  Speaker 10: a week, and then they were put into another of
• 29:58
  Speaker 10: these women were then transferred to another camp in the
• 30:01
  Speaker 10: mountains in France called Vittel. It was a Spa town.
• 30:05
  Speaker 10: There was a number of hotels and they turned the
• 30:07
  Speaker 10: hotel basically into prisons with a barbed wire all around it.
• 30:12
  Speaker 10: But these were so American and American and British women
• 30:16
  Speaker 10: were imprisoned in this in this camp, but it was
• 30:19
  Speaker 10: monitored by the Red Cross, so it was not as
• 30:22
  Speaker 10: brutal in terms of conditions as as some of the
• 30:24
  Speaker 10: other camps that you know, we've read about in history.
• 30:27
  Speaker 10: And so she actually faked late stage cancer by you know,
• 30:32
  Speaker 10: she she had one of the one of the doctors
• 30:34
  Speaker 10: agreed to give her meds to make her look and
• 30:37
  Speaker 10: appear very very sick. So she faced cancer to get
• 30:41
  Speaker 10: released so she could go back and help help these
• 30:45
  Speaker 10: Allied flyers through the underground network in in France.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: And she did that. It's kind of like an underground
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: railroad kind of thing. Or maybe you think about the
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: diary in frank where she was being uh, you know,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: hiding in the attic of a home. How was she
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: able to do this, she said. I mean, it's reported
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: she helped forty two down airman escape by letting them
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: stay at her home. Everybody turned everybody into World War two.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: It seemed like you had a neighbor that was, you know,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: cotton to the Nazi regime. If they found out that
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: you had Jews or were harboring enemy airmen, then they
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: would turn you in. How was she able to fly
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: under the radar for so long and help so many
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: people without getting caught.
• 31:27
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it was amazing. There was a number of them
• 31:30
  Speaker 10: that she had a home. After she got out of prison,
• 31:34
  Speaker 10: she went to Barbazon, which was a little village about
• 31:38
  Speaker 10: ninety minutes outside of Paris, so she had a home
• 31:40
  Speaker 10: there where she was able to hide flyers. But then
• 31:43
  Speaker 10: there was also a network of doctors and other people
• 31:46
  Speaker 10: in Paris, you know, families, not a lot of money,
• 31:50
  Speaker 10: but they also had agreed to hide these down to airmen,
• 31:55
  Speaker 10: and so Drew got involved. She got involved really at
• 31:59
  Speaker 10: first because she spoke English, and you know, one of her,
• 32:02
  Speaker 10: one of her, one of the villagers nearby, came to
• 32:05
  Speaker 10: her door and said, you know, I have an airman
• 32:08
  Speaker 10: in my apple tree. Don't speak English, and you do so,
• 32:12
  Speaker 10: can you tell me what to do with this man
• 32:14
  Speaker 10: and talk to him? And so she you know, she
• 32:16
  Speaker 10: was pulled into it because of her ability to speak English.
• 32:19
  Speaker 10: But then when she realized what was happening and how
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: she could help, she got very involved. She was a
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: key figure and in this underground network of rescuing these flyers.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Well, you may have answered my next question, maybe our
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: final question, since we're coming up on time. But Jane
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: establishing trust. I always wondered how it was. I mean,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: you see in the movies you do get the down airmen.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: He happens upon a farmhouse. They happen to be sympathetic
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: and they put you in touch with the underground and
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: the next thing you know, you're being ferried off to
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Switzerland or whatever. How how is it that she was
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: able to establish the trust? Was it through her deed
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: in that one action that they knew she was reliable
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: and could help the allies? Or did did they do
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: a background check? I mean, how is it that the
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: resistance people were able to trust newcomers? In other words?
• 33:06
  Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, I think that she was involved on
• 33:09
  Speaker 10: a periphery level before Parl Horever, before she was imprisoned
• 33:13
  Speaker 10: just by virtual of the fact that she was broadcasting
• 33:16
  Speaker 10: and threatened. She was broadcasting through America and all these
• 33:19
  Speaker 10: so she was already had some of those connections in place,
• 33:22
  Speaker 10: and then and then after she got out, she still
• 33:26
  Speaker 10: had those connections. And in fact, she was so sick
• 33:28
  Speaker 10: when she first got out of prison because she had
• 33:30
  Speaker 10: almost overdone it and killed herself. With all these mens
• 33:32
  Speaker 10: she took, they started the resistance, Certain numbers of the
• 33:36
  Speaker 10: resistance that she knew, started approaching her being like, can
• 33:39
  Speaker 10: you help, can you help? And she's like, I have to.
• 33:41
  Speaker 11: I have to at least recover.
• 33:42
  Speaker 10: But then as the war went on, you know, these
• 33:45
  Speaker 10: these airmen were turning up in fields and and you know,
• 33:49
  Speaker 10: in barns, and she she really just couldn't not get involved.
• 33:53
  Speaker 12: Wow.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess she was compelled to join the cause.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Her husband, I understand, got killed fighting in Syria along
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: with the Free French forces, so that might have been
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: an impetus as well. But the fascinating book by my
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: guest Today best selling author Jane Heally the name of
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: the book good Night from Paris, work of historical fiction,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: this woman actually did exist, and Jane's written all about her, Jane.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: It's on my blog page fifty five cars dot com,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: so my listeners can easily get a copy of it,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: and I know they're going to really love it. Fantastic
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: works you've done previously, so we're going to enjoy this read.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure having you on the program, and
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: thanks for keeping as centertain Jay. Everybody in my listening
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: audience doesn't need an introduction when it comes to Bill O'Reilly.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Multiple Emmy winner. He has written multiple books, more than
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: twenty million books in print, and they are wonderful, every
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: one of them. I've read about I think probably twenty
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: of Bill's books. The keys can't put them down, and
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: that is the case with the new and welcome to
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: the fifty five carssee Morning Show to talk about your
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: new book, Confronting Evil Assessing a worst of the Worst.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Bill O'Reilly, it is fantastic to have you back on
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: the fifty five KRS Morning Show. Hey you been Brian,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I've been great. Took me a period of two days,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: basically about maybe three four hours read the whole thing
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  Speaker 1: cover to cover. Could barely put it down, and I
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: didn't want to put it down. After the first day
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  Speaker 1: I love. The afterward is where I want to start,
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  Speaker 1: if I may, here's my definition of evil, You right,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: harming a human being without remorse, vivid, concise, nothing more needed.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, self and family defense as well as righteous
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: war situations are not part of the evil equation in
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: this world. The primary drivers of wickedness are money, power
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: and zelotry, as you document in this book going through
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: some of the world's worst multi mass murders in history.
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  Speaker 1: You want to relate this, if I may be so bold,
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  Speaker 1: to what happened with Charlie Kirk and how we're working
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: through the issues that are unfolding with regard to that murder,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: which seems to be born of what you define as evil.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty eerie. I mean, the book was out
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: last Tuesday, and then Wednesday, I wake up and Putin's
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: lob and missiles into poland Putins on the cover of
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: Confronting Evil, and then if you wurs later Charlie Kirk
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: is assassinated. I'm sitting there on WHOA. Obviously, the Kirk
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: murder is an evil act, and evil metastasizes so that
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: his family, mister Kirk's family never be the same to
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: little kids as widow, and then the family of the
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: alleged shooter. They're destroyed across the board. So evil always
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: takes a lot of people with it. But there's no
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  Speaker 3: question that the man who will be convicted in the
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: murder of Charlie Kirk, you know, it's hard to say
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  Speaker 3: he's evil one hundred percent, but certainly he's got to
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: be put in that category at this point.
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  Speaker 1: Well, certainly hasn't risen the level of Genghis Khan, who,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: as you point out, was responsible for killing around fifty
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: million people. Or you could pivot over to the worst
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: mass murder in the world's history, eighty million dead under
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Mount se Dung. You know, it's kind of strange, Bill O'Reilly.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: You know, you read the book and you begin with Caliguila,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: and there's the problem with leadership based on birthright or
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: family connections. That guy was off the charts insane, as
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: you well document, and he did indiscriminate violence, killed people
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  Speaker 1: at will. No one even knew who he was going
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: to kill the next day. You could be best friends
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: with Coligial one day and the next day he's seeing
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: to it that you're executed, murdered by some twisted mechanism.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: But many times I kind of struggle with how these
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: individuals were able to obtain the power and then gain
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: it in spite of the fact that they were so
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: evil and so many people lived under the threat. That's
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: the problem when you have a government that threatens its
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: own people with death if they don't follow the party line.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: You get everybody turning each and everybody in Oh my
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: next door neighbor uttered something against the administration, you find
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: that person's gone, disappeared, murdered. How is it that evil
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: has been able over an over again, Bill a rally
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: to I hate to use the word succeed.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: Because people will turn away. Brian, all of fifteen men,
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: I couldn't even find a woman to get up into
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: that evil category. You know, as far as comparing a
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: female to what these males did, there one never existed
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: at that level. But if you look at all fifteen
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: men that we profile, all of them have relevance today.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: So I eat colligular way back in the Roman Empire,
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: they oh, well, what does that have to do with America. Well,
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Rome was the most powerful nation in the ancient world
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: for centuries and a collapse, and a collapse because of
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: evil could that happen to America? Absolutely absolutely, And if
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: you don't learn the lessons of how evil metallic exercises,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: how it takes root. I mean, look at the German people.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: German Americans are the largest ethnic group in the country,
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: and I know you have a lot of German Americans
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: in Cincinnati.
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, And.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: In nineteen thirty four, the German people voted ninety percent
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: to give Adolf Hitler dictatorial powers. Ninety percent and the
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: police state wasn't even in full form, yet they did
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: it because they wanted to do it. So evil comes
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: in a lot of different ways and a lot of
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: different disguises. But in the modern world in America today, many,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: perhaps most Americans look away from it. And that's how
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: it takes root, and that's how it does its damage.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: And the demand for expedience I think is largely behind that.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: You know, oh man, to deal with the Congress, they
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: have to pass the law. We need somebody to just
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: can just get it done, go ahead and do it,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: you know. And I can use this in the context
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I find offensive that Donald Trump blew up people in
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: about thousand miles plus away. Did they really represent an
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: imminent threat? Can he just willingly declare someone a narco
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: terrorist and then just kill them. And a lot of
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: people are plotting that that's expedient. He got the job done.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: The drugs aren't coming to our country, period and the story.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: But that's kind of like relinquishing the masses authority to
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: control the direction of their lives by handing over complete
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: power to a crazy guy like Adolf Hitler.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Well, I disagree there. I think that the evil that
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: drugs are bringing into not only the United States but
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: all over the world, killing millions of people. Millions of
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: people die every year from drug overdosers, and those who
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: don't die are enslaved, their families are ruined in many cases.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: You have to stop the source of that evil. True,
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: And I talked to President Trump about this on a
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: number of occasions. I said, there's only one way, only
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: one way on this kind of an evil, and that
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: is to declare it a national security problem, which it is,
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: and then use the military to punish them. And if
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: you do that, you'll cut it down fifty sixty percent.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, believe me. In the cartel world, and we
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: profile two of them in confronting evil scary, so they're
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: not real happy today. Okay, they're looking up at the
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: sky because a drone can hit them at any time. No,
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: And to me, that's fine. These people are as evil
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: as they come. And it extends even to the sidewalks
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: of Cincinnati where you have neighborhoods where the heroin dealers
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: and fentanyl dealers stand outside and hawk their wares.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Exactly, they let them do it. But you know, I
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: guess what are you doing? Maybe I'm a constitutional purist
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: to a certain degree. We got due process. We also
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: don't have the death penalty for drug dealing. Now if
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: we did, maybe you could justify killing them. But even
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: if they were caught in US waters with a bunch
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: of drugs, you couldn't execute them. You'd have to send
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: them to courts, prove that they were guilty, and then
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: throw them in jail for however period of time.
• 42:16
  Speaker 11: I like it, but.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: It's a different situation because we have a law that
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: says if a president designates a group, and Trump has
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: specified which groups to be terrorists, then the US military
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: can take them out. That's why I wrote killing the Killers, Yeah,
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: because that's exactly what Obama and Trump did with isis
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: with Solomoni and the Iranian National Guard with al Qaeda,
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: with Osama bin Laden, it's exactly what they did. There
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: was no due process for those people because they were
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: deemed to be a threat to national security. It's a
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: different situation than a domestic crime.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Well, one of the more interesting elements, and it shows
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: the benefit of living in our society where we do
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: have the freedom to control the direction of where we go.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: You highlight Franklin and Armfield, these slave traders. If they
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: earned and built up a profit of two point three
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: billion dollars in today's net worth by selling humanity. Thankfully,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: we're not that country anymore. We changed the dynamic. Guess
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: we had to go through a bloody revolution to do it,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: but we no longer are a slave country. So this
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: illustrates the point of being in a democracy, a republic,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: versus this dictatorial reality where you're living with a mass
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: murderer who can well basically decide your fate on a whim.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Well, there's no question that the United States is a
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: republic that grants most power to the people. The problem
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: now is a lot of the people don't care, excuse me,
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: don't exercise their vote, don't pay attention, don't know anything.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Public school education system has collapsed in many areas. People
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: create bubble worlds based on social media. We've got a
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: lot of problems in the area of who's exercising power now.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: The slavers who became the richest men in the world,
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: two of them. What they did was so heinous that
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: I had to put it on the page because people
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: don't understand exactly how that industry worked exactly.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: That's the benefit of this book. I didn't know any
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: day Vladimir Putin. He you know, honestly, you know, I've
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: been around along time, aboubly be sixty years old on Sunday,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Bill O'Reilly, and I've read a lot about Vladimir Putin.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: And I hated the Soviet Union when they were there.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I grew up in that Cold War era, you know,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: the evil commies. I understand that. But you document Vladimir
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Putin's life. This guy is a hardcore murderer, torturer, criminal
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: enterprise kind of guy, and.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: A psychopath and is nuclear weapons. Yes, so, I mean,
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: that's the most dangerous situation on the planet right now.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Who But my job as a journalist slash historian is
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: to inform and a year ago because me a year
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: to write and research these books. I said to myself,
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm seeing a lot of evil in America
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: and around the world. And then I look back and
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: the only other time in our history, modern history was
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: the nineteen thirties and after the Great Depression, when all
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: of the tutalitarian regimes rose up in Europe and Japan
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: and the result was one hundred million dead in World
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: War Two. Now we're not at that level now, but
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: the same mentality exists. Evil is not being confronted. In
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: New York City where I am, the people may elect
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: a mayor who's a communist and who openly says I'm
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: not going to enforce the law. Well, what the deuce
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: you think is going to happen with eight and a
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: half million people. I know, the bodies are just going
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: to mount. It's going to be a catastrophe. And my say,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: anybody who votes for this man, Donnie, is that's an
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: evil act. You may not be evil, but giving this
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: man power, when he's looking you in the eye telling
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: you that he's going to foster anarchy and allow violence
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: in the nation's largest city, what are you crazy? And
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: the answer is yeah, a lot of people in America,
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: for whatever reason, have lost their way.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Yes they have, and I think in your afterward you
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: address some of the primary reasons for that decline, a
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: theological belief, embrace of selfish behavior, and the high tech
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: delivery system in the form of the Internet, which allows
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: people to sit in their basement in their mom's house
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: and be subjected to all kinds of evil forces without
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: a balancing message being presented.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Bill O'Reilly, Yeah, that's having to happen to the guy
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: in Utah. That's exactly what happened to him. And you know,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: again I wrote this book, I'm saying to myself, I'm
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: not nostra damas. You are right the you know, the
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: guys said to me the release of your book last
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: week was haunting base of all what's happened since. And
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: I think that's an accurate word.
• 47:22
  Speaker 10: It is.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: And as soon as I heard about the murder and
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: the circumstances surrounding Charlie Kirk's assassination, your book is the
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: first thing I thought of, and I thought, Man, isn't
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: it amazing. I'll be talking to Bill O'Reilly about this
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: next week. Confronting evil, assessing the worst of the worst.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: My guest today, the incomparable Bill O'Reilly. I guarantee you
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: will love this book, like all of his books, get
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: a copy of it at fifty five krse dot com.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Is a link there, Bill, so my listeners can easily
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: get a copy of this outstanding book. Thank you for
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: what you do. Thank you for coming on the Morning
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: show and talking about your book and the work that
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: you do. And I'm waiting for the next one. Already,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Bill O'Reilly joining the program, Jaron Smith, and he's got
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: a book to talk about. We'll get to that in
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: just a second. He servant several roles at the White House,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: including Deputy Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy, Deputy
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Director for Office of American Innovation, Director of Urban Affairs
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: and Revitalization for the White House Domestic Policy Council. Prior
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: to serving in the White House, he worked for Senator
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Tim Scott and served on the staff of House Committee
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: on Financial Services, the Republican Study Committee, House Republican Conference
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: under then Representative Mike Pence in the office of Representative J. C. Watts.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Also former executive director of the Third Good Marshall Foundation
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Center for Advancing Opportunity, currently partners at Denton Global Advisors
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: and Senior Fellow Right on Crime. Holds a BBA from
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Howard University, a Master of Divinity from Howard School Divinity,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: and is a member Proud Alpha Phi Alpha. Welcome jarn
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Smith to talk about your new book, Underserved, Harnessing the
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: principles of Lincoln's vision for reconstruction for today's forgotten communities.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the fifty five Case Morning Show. It's a
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Underserved Communities. Let's first identify that because what your book is,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: at least I understand it is a blueprint for conservatives
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: to engage in outreach and to address the needs of
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: underserved communities. I thought we fixed that with a Great
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Society program. Jeron Smith, what were supposed to have ended
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: poverty back in the sixties.
• 49:11
  Speaker 9: It was supposed to, but it looked like it's made
• 49:13
  Speaker 9: things even worse. You know right now where we live
• 49:17
  Speaker 9: in America, you know, if your parents grew up impoverish,
• 49:22
  Speaker 9: the likelihood that you can work yourself out of poverty,
• 49:26
  Speaker 9: that's become less likely, which is why we want to
• 49:30
  Speaker 9: create intentional uh infrastructure for opportunity, similar to what Lincoln's
• 49:37
  Speaker 9: vision was such long ago after reconstruction, an opportunity plan
• 49:43
  Speaker 9: that's focused on economic empowerment. Lincoln knew the importance of
• 49:48
  Speaker 9: economic opportunity, and we haven't had a president quite like
• 49:54
  Speaker 9: President Trump that focused on that economic opportunity for underserved communities.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Well, it seems to be the problem is, you know,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: there's an economic component to this, and you know, we
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: have this umbilical court of government which keeps people well
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: connected to government and keeping and continuing to vote for
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: these same programs for fear that oh my god, I'm
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: going to be left out in the cold and I
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: won't have any place to turn to get myself out
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: of this situation. But you're not getting yourself out of
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: a situation by being hooked up to a government program.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: But also this sort of social psychological thing that's going on,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: which is it's impossible no one in this racist, horrific,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: you know country that we live in can ever get
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: themselves out of poverty. The systems stacked against you. That's
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: a mindset that exists among too many people in this country.
• 50:39
  Speaker 9: Jurn No, I totally agree as a victim's mentality. Yeah,
• 50:44
  Speaker 9: And what we're trying to speak is opportunity mentality that
• 50:49
  Speaker 9: like the American Dream, could be available to anyone despite
• 50:52
  Speaker 9: their background. But it all starts with civil society as
• 50:57
  Speaker 9: not something that's top down, you know, as community or oriented.
• 51:01
  Speaker 9: It's looking at things like family, historical institutions like our churches,
• 51:06
  Speaker 9: you know, and re imagining community and in the community.
• 51:11
  Speaker 9: We can figure out what's the best way to create
• 51:14
  Speaker 9: educational pipelines, we can figure out how to start businesses,
• 51:20
  Speaker 9: we can figure out how to how to step into
• 51:22
  Speaker 9: innovation and and all those things are going to have
• 51:25
  Speaker 9: to be a ground up approach. And what we advocate
• 51:29
  Speaker 9: is looking at this very holistically, looking at everything from affordability,
• 51:33
  Speaker 9: you know, to economic development, to education, two jobs, and
• 51:38
  Speaker 9: as well as kind of looking at you know, entrepreneurship
• 51:42
  Speaker 9: and how can we build wealth over time. All of
• 51:44
  Speaker 9: these things aren't things that the government can provide, but
• 51:48
  Speaker 9: we need to have an approach that allows for the
• 51:50
  Speaker 9: private sector to get more involved.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Getting the private sector involved. See I was going to
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: ask you, John Smith, how how a conservative ideological you know,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: fix to the problems of these communities can even get
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: their foot in the door to have a conversation. I mean,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: the you know, the the political mindset. It seems to
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: be so warped and so rigid and fixed that oh
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: my god, this person is a conservative. This person's you know,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: advocating a free market approach to fixing our problems. I
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: reject that out front before I even hear the message.
• 52:23
  Speaker 9: Well, I mean, look, the free market system has done
• 52:27
  Speaker 9: more to lift impoverish.
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: Communities than any other system that we've ever seen.
• 52:33
  Speaker 9: The thing is is that part of it is getting
• 52:36
  Speaker 9: the government out the way, you know, having a deregulatory regime,
• 52:40
  Speaker 9: you know, letting people keep more of their money and
• 52:43
  Speaker 9: then allowing for parents, you know, institutions to be empowered
• 52:49
  Speaker 9: is a key aspect of it. And so we want
• 52:51
  Speaker 9: to create the right incentives, and we did things like
• 52:55
  Speaker 9: created opportunity zones, which we're able to kind of mobilize,
• 52:58
  Speaker 9: mobilize over fix billion dollars in new capital and two
• 53:03
  Speaker 9: three thousand different census tracks all across the country. And
• 53:07
  Speaker 9: then we worked with local mayors, you know, and county
• 53:10
  Speaker 9: officials to figure out, you know, how do we create
• 53:14
  Speaker 9: safe communities, you know, how do we invest in police
• 53:18
  Speaker 9: so that we can ensure that capital comes into those
• 53:21
  Speaker 9: areas that need it most. Because you know, and I
• 53:24
  Speaker 9: know that, like, if you have an unsafe community, that's
• 53:27
  Speaker 9: going to be very hard to kind of get the
• 53:28
  Speaker 9: type of development in that community that's going to create
• 53:31
  Speaker 9: the jobs, you know, allow for the revenues to create
• 53:35
  Speaker 9: the best schools, and so all of these things are interconnected,
• 53:38
  Speaker 9: and we're looking at it holistically, and we're recommending our
• 53:42
  Speaker 9: leadership to take these new nuanced approaches that embrace the
• 53:46
  Speaker 9: civil society, embraces the free markets, and we'll see the
• 53:49
  Speaker 9: progress that will.
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: Come from it.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: How much of the problems in these underserved communities do
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: you trace back to the deterioration or I'm going to
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: almost say the complete eradication of the nuclear family.
• 54:02
  Speaker 9: Oh. We we talk a lot about that in the
• 54:04
  Speaker 9: book Underserved. You know, the incentives that were in many
• 54:08
  Speaker 9: of the Great Society programs made so many households choose
• 54:13
  Speaker 9: having a father or married household or or being able
• 54:19
  Speaker 9: to depend on the government instead then getting access to
• 54:22
  Speaker 9: those resources. You know, I've heard stories, you know from
• 54:26
  Speaker 9: my parents that the government officials literally coming from house
• 54:30
  Speaker 9: to house, you know, promoting that Like look, you know,
• 54:33
  Speaker 9: if you want to get help from the government, you know,
• 54:35
  Speaker 9: don't get married you know, and then sign up for
• 54:38
  Speaker 9: these benefits, and it's had a huge effect on households
• 54:42
  Speaker 9: and also the mental health and viability of some of
• 54:47
  Speaker 9: these communities. I mean, if you look at the statistics,
• 54:49
  Speaker 9: you know, a single parent household, single mother household, they're
• 54:53
  Speaker 9: almost like, uh, you know, like sixty percent less likely
• 54:56
  Speaker 9: to you know, get out of poverty, and you're also
• 55:00
  Speaker 9: very more likely to kind of end up in the
• 55:02
  Speaker 9: criminal justice system. I mean, you see almost like seventy
• 55:05
  Speaker 9: percent of the individual individuals in the criminals system on
• 55:09
  Speaker 9: grew up in single mother households. And so it's had
• 55:11
  Speaker 9: a huge effect on underserved communities, and we want to
• 55:15
  Speaker 9: roll that back and bring back civil society and promote families.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: And it seems to me that we should, you know,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: along the lines of, you know, if you're going to
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: father a child and you're down all better re responsible
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: for the financial component that goes along with it. That
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: we should go after these deadbeat dads who just get
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: women pregnant and run off into the woods. It's therein
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: lies a real challenge and that one tiny slice of
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: the broader problem. Jeron.
• 55:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and it's a generational no issue. You know, we're
• 55:42
  Speaker 9: looking at you know, a very generation of individuals who
• 55:45
  Speaker 9: grew up in these single parent households, and so you
• 55:48
  Speaker 9: have young men that don't know how to be fathers,
• 55:51
  Speaker 9: you know, or young young women who aren't used to
• 55:55
  Speaker 9: kind of working with the men, and so like. Look,
• 55:57
  Speaker 9: we had to meet the problem where its at. You know,
• 55:59
  Speaker 9: it's not going to happen overnight, but it starts with
• 56:02
  Speaker 9: individual communities. It starts with rebuilding civil society through our churches,
• 56:08
  Speaker 9: you know, through through the things that's made America great historically.
• 56:12
  Speaker 9: And what we're trying to advocate for is a new
• 56:15
  Speaker 9: infrastructure of opportunity that's not so dependent on the government,
• 56:19
  Speaker 9: but that's dependent more on the community and the private sector,
• 56:22
  Speaker 9: so it's more sustainable for everyone.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Well, hearing what you're saying, Jaron Smith, author of Underserved,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: I bet you're a firm believer in the idea of
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: school choice as well.
• 56:32
  Speaker 9: Oh, very much.
• 56:32
  Speaker 13: So.
• 56:33
  Speaker 9: I think you have to let the decision lie with
• 56:36
  Speaker 9: the parent, you know, so rather it's homeschooling the child,
• 56:39
  Speaker 9: send them to a charter school or even the best
• 56:43
  Speaker 9: public school that's in the community. You know, we shouldn't
• 56:46
  Speaker 9: put these parents in a situation where they're stuck sending
• 56:50
  Speaker 9: their children to a poor school.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: John Smith, get a copy of the book if we
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: put on my blog page for you by Kerosey dot com.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Underserved harnessing the principles of Lincoln's vision of reconstruction for
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: today forgotten communities. I'm guessing you wrote it for politicians.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: I meant, I know everybody should read it, and my
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: listeners will certainly get a copy of it. But maybe
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: we want to buy a copy and send it off
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: to our elected officials.
• 57:15
  Speaker 9: Oh yeah, certainly. But I think that, like all power
• 57:18
  Speaker 9: goes to the people, and so we want to kind
• 57:20
  Speaker 9: of know what type of leadership can help drive the
• 57:23
  Speaker 9: country forward. This is a great thought piece to learn
• 57:27
  Speaker 9: how we can get there and what you should be
• 57:29
  Speaker 9: advocating for from.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Your leadership, John Smith. I appreciate your care and concern
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: and the ideas articulated in your book Underserved. My listeners
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: can get a copy again at fifty five krec dot com.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Thanks for spending time with my listeners and me and
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: addressing this very important subject. Jaron, It's been great talking
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: with you. Try to remain optimistic in spite of the
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: fact that subject matter is a little bleak and dire.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: We started with Tech Friday's Dave Hatter, who talked about
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: electric magnetic pulses earlier. We're going to elaborate on that
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: and find out really just how genuinely bad things would
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: be in the event we were hit with this. William
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: He's a New York Times best selling author and professor
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: of history at Montree College in Montrea, North Carolina. He
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: hold a doctoral degree from Purdue University with a specialization
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: of military history and technology. Author of more than fifty books,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: multiple best sellers, including the One Second After series, which
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: details the realistic effects of an EMP strike. Noted expert,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: he's been interviewed on all over news and a bunch
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: of topics ranging from history, technology to cultural issues. Today,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: I welcome him to the fifty five Casee Morning Show
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: to talk about his new book, Five Years After Doctor Forstin.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the fifty five Cassee Morning Show. It's a
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: distinct pleasure to have you on my program today.
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: Oh, good morning, pleasure to be with you. Given it
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: early after me.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: I get up at three or two thirty to do
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: this show. Yeah, crimea river ed at nine. Oh that's
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: what I do. What I'm off work doctor. All right,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: so you're an expert in electro magnetic pulses, and you
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: know we've all been through a power audage and it sucks,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: but it's not to the level that an EMP would
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: cause by way of damage to our electromagnet our electric grid.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Let my listeners know, just briefly before we dive into
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: the details of this new book five years after, what's
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: the effect of an EMP, like, for example, a nuclear
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: bomb exploding above in the atmosphere over the United States
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: of America.
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: You got it there, EMP short and electromagnetic pulse. It's
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: created by detonating innis to the weapon forty to sixty
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: kilo ton about two hundred miles above the Earth's atmosphere.
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: As a cascades down, it sets up an electrostatic discharge.
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: It's the Earth's surface feeds into the antenna's wiring, which
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: becomes antennas short circuits the system. The scary statistic there is,
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: if that ever was done to us and it's shorted
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: at our grid, upwards ninety percent of all Americans with
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: hair within a year or two.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Of all Americans would perish within a year or two.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: Well, think about it. Electricity is the fundamental block building
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: blocks of our society. Where did your water come from
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: this morning? I mean asking you.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: The question pumps that are run by electricity, Yes.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: Exactly, everything is dependent on electricity. Your water supply is gone,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: food supply about twenty days is the average for most
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: towns and cities gone. Medication gone, command and control gone,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: disease starts taking over, and then chaos. It's a very
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: frightening scenario. Doctor Fortune. Let's put a real important statistic
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: on their real important emphasis point, because clearly what you
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: said isn't enough to get people concerned about this. How
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: about you won't be able to access TikTok anymore?
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 11: Gone?
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Is the internet lately wiped out your ability to communicate
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: with your friends and relatives. Phone systems don't work. Even
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: if you had a landline, it would be fried out.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: And let me get the other is illustration. You have
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: a car sitting in a driveway that is not covered
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: by a Faraday cage. The electrical system in the car
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: would also be fried out, would it not? In this
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: emp case?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know you're stuffed. Yes, it's a Paraday cage.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: S smich ron anywhere from a low of ten percent
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: to eighty or ninety percent of cars made after nineteen
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: eighty gone.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Well, that makes a good argument for a carburetor. Now
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: in your in your newest book, now you talk about
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: all of this. These are works of fiction, but these
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: are all based upon fact, reality, what the real life
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: scenario would be as as the situation unfolds. Moving fast
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: forward from your first book on this topic to your
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: newest book five years after. What's this focus on this
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: most recent book.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: Well, I was a title implied. It's five years after,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: and it's amps to society to rebuild itself for five years,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: and it's basically crawling back from the abyss. But there
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: are still things out there supposed disease like okay, COVID
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: hits but ten times worse. That's what it's about.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, does that have a happy ending? I'm just kidding.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: I'm kidding. Dealing with the practical solutions, I threw out
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: that real quickly, the Faraday cage. But you know, for
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: people who don't know, fair day cage dissipates that electromagnetic pulse.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: So whatever is surrounded by like I could go out
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: and buy a cell phone bag that is a Faraday cage.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: My cell phone would survive. Now the grid upon which
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: it works would be wiped out, but at my cell
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: phone as a device would still operate at some future
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: dat if it ever got fixed. But we can't. Can
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: we strengthen our grid or otherwise protect our grid? Can we?
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: Doctor?
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  Speaker 5: That's my anger and frustration. That's why I'm doing a
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: lot of interviews again. We're spending to trillion dollars on
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: so called green energy. Sure, you know, I actually do
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: kind of support wind mills in solar. But on the
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 5: other hand, the average component in our electrical grid is
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: over forty years old. We are pumping our electricity in
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: a grid basically from the nineteen seventies nineteen eighties. Why
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: are we not spending more money on infrastructure, security, more
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: spare parts, upgraded systems. We're not doing it. We're naked,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: We rarely are.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, and recognizing that our grids as old as they are,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: and the numerous problems we've already faced, and the rush
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: to add even more components to it in the name
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: of being green, all the evs in the world and
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: everything else, we can't manage the projections for the load
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: on the grid right now. And what you're saying, is
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: it's way beyond just that. It's protecting us from this
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: kind of scenario, and a scenario that doesn't necessarily require
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist Party to launch. It learned early in
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: the program, and as you know, we could get electromagnetic
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: pulse from the sun.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: Right exactly. It's called to seem the gronal mass ejection.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: Another thing to worry about. But the problem with the
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: grid now is it's like December seventh, nineteen forty one.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: President meets with his staff and they got mister President,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: we've got a problem. All our aircraft carriers are made
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: in Japan, our planes are made in Germany. Where are
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: all our major components being made today China? Yes, that
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: is what worries me.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: But the practical solution, assuming we don't have budget problems
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: and we have sane people that are actually forward thinking
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: and think and worried about this, your wonderful scenario with
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: December seventh, nineteen forty one is great, But going back
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: to the fundamental question, can it be protected enough that
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: this catastrophic scenario you're talking about with ninety percent of
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: the population being dead by one year, to be protected
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: to the extent where we wouldn't have that level of catastrophe. Yeah,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: of course that was a quick guest.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: Yes, it means, you know, I'm going to be optimistic
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: on this, that we have to upgrade, harden, hardening the system,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: better circuit breakings, better status which are microcomputers, things like
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: that we could be doing it. And also we have
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: to start using the nineteen forty one scenario. We got
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: to learn to start re manufacturing things like transformers here
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: in the United States. Yes, not shut overseas because we
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: need quick replacement of parts in such a time.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: So, uh, a Faraday cage around my pad, my neighborhood's
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: pad mounted transformers, would that help?
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 13: Yeah?
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: Expensive?
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: It fair enough? Well, that's easy. Where the problem is,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: it's just really expensive. So rather than you know, deal
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: with the realities of the expense and be forward thinking
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: that it's like, well, it's too expensive to do it,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: so just let's keep pushing forward with incentives to buy
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: electric vehicles and not worry about the problem.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: Well the name book, Yeah, it's it's called expectation of normalacy.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: We expect things to continue as they are.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: M well, like ostriches with this ahead in the sand.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: This is the emp reality we're facing and I appreciate
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Doctor Fortune giving us the information and regularly doing so.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: In these wonderful, wonderful books. You can get them on
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: my blog page fifty five CARC dot com. Doctor, we
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: have your book linked there so my listeners can easily
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: get a copy of it. And congratulations on all your
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: best selling works. Fabulous reads, all of them. And I
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: know my listeners will enjoy not just this one, but
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: your other works, and I'll encourage them to check them out,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Doctor Fortune, keep up the great work. I enjoyed our
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: conversation today and certainly appreciate the time you spent with
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: my listeners in me heyto two here a fifty five
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: car CUD talk station, and a very happy Wednesday to you.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Coming up bottom of the hour every Wednesday here in
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: the fifty five CARC Morning Show, Judge Inn and Apolatana
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: to talk about the freedom of speech, which is a
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: topic that is addressed in the book I'm talking about
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: with my next guest, Greg. You may know him former
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: trial attorney as opposed to what I was, a litigation attorney.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Big difference. Aaron Greg knows the difference. New York Times
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: best selling author of the Russian hoax and witch hunts.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: A legal and political analyst for Fox News, where he
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: was an anchor for fifteen years. Prior to Fox, he
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: was an anchor and correspondent for MSNBC and an anchor
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: at Court TV. He has compiled and written commentary as
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: well as an introduction on the book we're talking about today,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: the Constitution of the United States and other patriotic documents.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the program, Greg Jarrett, it's a real pleasure
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: to have you on today.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 12: Well, Brian, my pleasure to be with you, Thanks so much.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: And yeah, Judging, I mean for the materials that are
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: in the book, and you have a wealth of important
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: documents in this book. Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Bill of Wright,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: certain federalist papers, selections, articles or confederations, writings from Frederick
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: Douglass writing, Ronald Reagan, writings and speeches Albert Einstein. This
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: is fascinating. How is it that you selected these particular
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: documents which people can read in full along with your commentary.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: What was the motivation behind this, Greg, Well.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 12: There was no other book like it. There are some
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 12: other books that print in part the Constitution and then
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 12: follow it up with speeches by Hillary Clinton and you know,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 12: sort of this deconstruction of our American history and the
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 12: very negative. I couldn't find what I wanted, so I
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 12: decided to write it myself. This is a tribute to
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 12: the many patriots who made America great. We are a
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 12: luminous beacon for liberty, prosperity, and justice. And in the
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 12: book you can read our nation's most important documents, speeches, letters.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 12: You mentioned a few of them, but these are things
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 12: that changed the course of history, inspiring words and galvanizing
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 12: ideas that shaped America our virtues, our aspirations, our ideals.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 12: And sadly, you know, public education they don't really emphasize
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 12: or teach government and civics. And I've found that out
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 12: through my own young daughters at the time. And you know,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 12: that was the really germination.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 14: Of this book.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Yea, it's the benefit of having concerned parents, you know,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: you can get the blanks filled in at home. That
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: was my situation.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 6: At home.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: We had regular family dinner discussions and my dad was
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: very politically motivated and active. That's how I got involved
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: in politics at a young young age. But got all
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: this sort of important foundational information around the dining room
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: table because it isn't in schools anymore. And Greg, you
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: know you've I think you've done a wonderful job of illustrating,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: sadly illustrating the loss of eloquence in modern political discourse.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: These were in many cases, this preceded the Internet and
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: preceded radio. Folks had to communicate their ideas and thoughts
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: in a profound way so they could change the arts
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: and minds of people. And do offer their arguments and
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: their opinions in an effort to change the hearts and
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: minds of people. This is great work here.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 12: Thank you very much, Brian. You know how lucky are
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 12: we to live in the greatest nation in history. And
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 12: fortunately the eloquence of the written word and the spoken
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 12: word have been honored and preserved for our national heritage.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 12: And it's all contained in my book. It came out
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 12: yesterday nationwide. It can be ordered online. You'll find it
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 12: in bookstores everywhere.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 6: And we were.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 12: Blessed with extraordinary leaders. They stealed our resolve for independence
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 12: and self determination. They invented this new form of government
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 12: by the people and for the people, and those leaders
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 12: who followed for more than two centuries ably guided us
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 12: through these grave threats and treacher risk challenges, and you know,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 12: so this is a unique collector's edition of all of
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 12: those wise words.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: And your commentary, you know, you contrasted what this book
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: includes and contrasted with you Hillary Clinton going on in
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: deconstructing the Constitution. She's making a political argument, obviously a
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: left leaning political argument, but that's not what you were
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: trying to do here. You're not trying to accomplish some
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: sort of uh, you know, modern US versus them debate here.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 12: Yeah, you're you're right. As I had looked across publications,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 12: across Amazon, other retailers, I was really amazed to realize
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 12: that I couldn't find what I was looking for, a patriotic,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 12: complete American made selection of our greatest documents. So I resolved,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 12: I'm going to do it. And this doesn't promote an agenda.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 12: It has the full Constitution. It contains essential conservative documents
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 12: as well as liberal ones, everything from Booker T. Washington,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 12: Frederick Douglas through Teddy Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, and among my
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 12: favorites truly is Ronald Reagan. So this book is philosophically patriotic.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 12: It is not partisan.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: Well and liberal conservative. One of my favorite liberals, Thomas Jefferson,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: a true liberal in the traditional sense of liberalism, you know,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: obviously believed in freedoms and liberties, and what an unbelievably
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: important person shaping the direction of our country.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 12: Oh he really was quite a brilliant man. And he
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 12: was so well educated. Oh yeah, and really a magician wordsmith.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 12: But you've also got John Adams who was warning that
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 12: unscrupulous men in power, if left unchecked, would become ravenous
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 12: beasts of prey, destroying our government. And he was right
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 12: about that. We have seen that recently with the weaponization
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 12: of authority by the FBI, the Department of Justice, intelligence agencies,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 12: and George Washington warned away from political parties. He said,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 12: these will become potent engines of unprincipled men. Political parties
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 12: will undermine our freedom. We should not abide by them. Unfortunately,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 12: no one listened.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, isn't that the truth? And those who do not
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: study mistakes of the past are destined to repeat them.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: We seem to be on our on a timeline on
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: that ins far as our monetary system is concerned. You know,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: we should look at Venezuela when we're talking about something
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: like that, but I don't want to go down that road.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: He also include and I thought this was a rather
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: interesting contribution, Albert Einstein's warning to President Franklin Delan Rosebult
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: about the atomic bomb.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean it was so amazing. Of course, the
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 12: renowned theoretical physicist, world renowned, he sent this secret letter
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 12: to Franklin Roosevelt, and he had been tracking the use
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 12: of uranium abroad, and he sends this letter to Roosevelt
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 12: warning him that he thinks the Nazis are attempting to
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 12: develop this new and frightening a powerful weapon, an atomic bomb.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 12: And you know, he raised the alarm, and that triggered
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 12: the US British covert operation to build our own weapon
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 12: in the highly classified Manhattan Project. I think great. Many
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 12: Americans don't know that, they don't appreciate that. And of
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 12: course Harry Truman ordered the use of the atomic bombs.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 12: You'll read his famous statement, the force from which the
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 12: Sun draws its power has been loosened against those who
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 12: brought war to the Far East. And then he was
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 12: followed by Dwight Eisenhower. You can read his efforts to
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 12: seek peace through strength, to halt nuclear proliferation. All of
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 12: these are important documents and addresses and speeches and letters
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 12: that you know, I think Americans need to revisit to
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 12: rekindle the American spirit.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: Well, and another truly impactful person. I think that doesn't
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: get enough, you know, press or people don't go back
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: and reread his important writings Frederick Douglas.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, you just took the words out of
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 12: my mouth. Truly one of the highlights of my book.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 12: And understand who Frederick Douglas was, an escape slave who
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 12: became an at aist icon and a confident of Abraham Lincoln.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 12: At one point, you know, black people were not traditionally
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 12: allowed in the White House. Lincoln changed all of that,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 12: and in one encounter in a room full of people
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 12: in the White House in moocks, Frederick Douglass all eyes
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 12: turned to him, and Lincoln steps forward and says, here
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 12: is the man whose judgment I trust more than any
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 12: other human being. And after Lincoln was assassinated, Frederick Douglas
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 12: printed one of the greatest eulogies to the man who, probably,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 12: at least in my judgment, was the greatest president in
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 12: American history, Abraham Lincoln.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln and some people view him as very controversial
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: for wanting to maintain the Republic and not allow the
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: Southern States to break away. Some argue that is well
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: within the constitution. When the powers that be are, you know,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: serving the will of the people, then you have a
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: right to be against some sort of basis of our
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: country's foundation. Is there any common right in there on that?
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 12: Well, you know, you are arguably correct if you take
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 12: the meaning literally. You know, we've come to think of,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 12: you know, the Civil War as an effort to abolish
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 12: slavery and human bondage. That certainly became the principal purpose,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 12: but at the beginning it was told to hold the
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 12: Union together. And you know, Abraham Lincoln was left to
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 12: deal with the faustian bargain that our founders had created.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 12: They wanted the Constitution to be approved so much that
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 12: they kicked the can down the road on slavery, which,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 12: and as I describe in my introduction, was shameful, a
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 12: shameful bargain. And you can criticize so many of our
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 12: founders for being slaveholders themselves, with the exception of John Adams,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 12: who was virulently against slavery. And so if I have
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 12: one regret, by the way, it is. Abigail Adams. Her beautiful, brilliant,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 12: intelligent letters are not included in the book.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 8: You know, we did.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 12: We had to draw some lines. But these were great
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 12: people in American history, and they're memorialized in this book
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 12: so that you can read their thoughts, their ideas and
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 12: their words.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: Well, it suggests those comments that you just made. Greg Jared,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: Author or collector of the United States and the Constitution,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: United States and the Patriotic Documents, Volume two. I am
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: certain that there is a wealth of additional documents you
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: could come up with a follow up volume.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 12: There are you should see my pile of documents on
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 12: my dad and Abigail's at the top. I so much
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 12: wanted to include her, and so yeah, maybe there's a
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 12: volume two come. That's a great idea, or.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: At least a supplement, an updated edition to include the
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: other chapters that you left out. Greg Jared, this is
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: great and I know my listener is going to love it.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: My audience eats this stuff up. And these are in
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: documents that every household should have sort of your own.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: If you're a political person, you probably have independently collected
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: so many of the works that are included in here.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: But here you are one volume hard copy. Greg Jared
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: has done a wonderful job collecting him and offering his commentary.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: One other one, I guess the original A women's suffrage fighter.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: Susan B. Anthony's Proclamation on women's right to Vote is
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: also included.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 12: Oh, it is as well as Victoria Woodhall, who argue
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 12: the Constitution makes no distinction of sex and women are
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 12: the equals of men. I think she was wrong. I
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 12: think women, at least in my family are far superior.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 12: Yes to the men.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: Sounds like thank you married out of your element, Greg,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: Like I did.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 12: Yes, Oh yeah, totally married, And I'm so grateful.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: Smart men do that, so you and I get props
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: for doing the right thing. It's so far as our
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: partners are concerned. The whole idea is to rekindle the
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: American spirit. You can do that very easily. Read the
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: eloquence of these unbelievably famous folks and all the reasons
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: they are unbelievably famous. And if they're not famous in
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: your mind, then you need the book more than anybody.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: The Constitution of the United States and the Patriotic Documents.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: Greg Jarrett, Thanks on behalf of all my listeners and
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: me for putting these all together and collecting them and
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: showing the importance of reading and going back and studying
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: where how we got here from there. Greg, It's been
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: a real pleasure having you on the program.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 12: Thanks again, find my pleasure and thanks so much. I
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 12: really appreciate your kind words about the book.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: Joining the fifty five Caresey Morning Show. Frank Abrams a
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney in North Carolina as well as Florida's
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: practicing federal state criminal law for thirty eight plus years.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: He's been on public radio and court TV, and he
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: is an author and today we're welcoming to the fifty
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: five Carse Morning Show to talk about his book, The
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: Cock Fight. And I observe Frank, and it's a pleasure
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: to have you on the program. It's been long stated
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: the law holds it as better the ten guilty persons
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: escape than one innocent sufferer. I'm a firm believer in that,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: and there was a time in my life, Frank, that
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: I believed in the death penalty. But as I've gotten,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: coming older and wiser and having practiced litigation for sixteen years,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: I am painfully aware of the fact that quite often,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: well maybe not often, but sometimes innocent people are convicted,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: and if the state has the ability to take your
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: life from you, that's a scary proposition. Welcome Frank, Sorry
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: for being long winded.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: Oh no, it's an honor and a pleasure, and you
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: are one hundred percent on point.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 9: Ryan.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: So can I tell you a little bit about how
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: this book came about?
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Plus explain the title for my listeners so they
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: understand the relationship.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: Okay, the title of the book is The cock Fight.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: So one day I'm sitting at federal court. This is
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: a few years back, and it comes to my attention
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: and the attention that's some other attorneys that there's a
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: Kentucky crime lab that has been mishandling DNA. So, Brian,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: I thought to myself, what could go wrong there? So
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: that's when I started. Yeah, that's when I started writing
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: the book. It gets even better, but I started writing
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: the book. The main character of my book is a
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: teacher of the year who's falsely accused of a relationship
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: with a student, loses everything he has and is living
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: under a bridge with homeless people. Now why is it
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: called the cock Fight? The answer is because every third
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: Friday of the month under this bridge, they have cock fights.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: Why because the basis of the book is they treat
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: animals the same way fighting roosters the same way they
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: treat people. They make them mean and angry towards each other,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: and then they make money in the whole unholy process.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you pointed out the money thing, because I
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: had that line in the notes circled for this reason
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: because as you know from my comments introducing you having
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: practice litigation and eight years in Chicago and eight years
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: in house with a healthcare company, I know how expensive
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: retaining a lawyer is. I mean outrageous amounts of money.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: You're talking several hundred at minimum dollars an hour. And
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: if you get falsely accused of crime or accused of crime,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: generally speaking, you have to get a defense attorney unless
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: you rely on the public defender. And I will welcome
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: your observations about the competency of the public Defender's office,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: but they tend to be overwhelmed with a number of
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: cases they had, So to get competent counsel, it's coming
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: out of your pocket. And for those the monments that
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: don't have a lot of money, it's an impossible chore.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: Abbsosolutely public. Defender's offices across the country are utterly overwhelmed.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: They don't have the time, they don't have the resources.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: But this even gets better because yesterday in the news
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: came out a story that a crime lab analyst altered
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: DNA evidence in hundreds of cases in Colorado. Yesterday's news,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: it's like they knew, Brian, that I was going to
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: be interviewed by you today. It's like they knew why.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: And no, the timing is excellent, Frankfort, Why would they
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: do that?
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing I wrote. I wrote in my
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: book of the story of this teacher's fight to clear
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: his name and all that he has to go through.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: And in it, I have a hearing and a trial,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: and there's eight potential eight reasons, eight things more than
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: eight actually that can go wrong, and a lot of
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: it has to do with time elements. These lab analysts
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: are told, we want these results, we want them now.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: There's hundreds and hundreds of cases. They'll fudge results. There's
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: evidence in that particular case she was indicted for over
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: a hundred plus cases that she dealt with. You know,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: I can't say why people do things. But I know
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: this that it happens, and when the system, when someone's
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: life and someone's freedom is at stake, there has to
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: be more than just oh, well, we have this test
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: and we're gonna absolutely rely on the results of this test.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: Point Frank, I think there's a sort of perhaps it's
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: a you know, presumably a government employee or some lab
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: They don't have any relationship to defend it. Maybe there's
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: a presumption of guilt because they've been charged, so they
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: have a lack of care and concern that they should
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: sort of put themselves in the position of the person
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: who's a defendant and do the job correctly and be
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: able to testify on the stand that everything every eye
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: was dotted and t was crossed because lives are at
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: stake here. But it's like taxpayer dollars. You know, the
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: government doesn't care where the dollars come from. They don't
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: have any incentive to be, you know, mindful of where
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: the money's going because they have this open spigot, and
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: that creates well, lack of care and concern. Same kind
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: of parallel, boy, boy, Brian, or have you hit it
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: and let me tell you that, Let me say this
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: you want to talk about, you know, they talk about
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: weaponizing the Justice Department against you know people. If you
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: want to see the weaponization of the justice.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: Point, you ought to see how it's been weaponized against
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: regular people and people who just can't afford to pay
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: for expensive attorneys, and people who just don't have the resources.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: And now, of course we're in days of budgetary restraint,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: as we always have, so you know, good luck getting
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: the court to approve money and say things like, well,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: you know, we're going to go ahead and do another test,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: even though you've already had a test and your results
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: have been tested in my book, the individual asks for
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: another test, but it's rejected. It's rejected, and in federal
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: courts they have something across the country called rocket dockets,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: and so it's like this, well, guess what, we don't
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: have time to do another test. There's not going to
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 4: be the money given to do another test, and guess what,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 4: you're gonna be in trial on Monday.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 5: So you see, yeah, yeah, yeah, see.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 6: How well I.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: Didn't practice I didn't practice criminal law. And I understand
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: where you're coming from, though, because you know, when you're
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: preparing for a trial, you have a lot of work
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: on your plate and when and you're a criminal defendant,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: a criminal defense attorney, you know again your client's life
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: is in your hands. I dealt with money matters, and
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: of course that really is significant to your client, but
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: lives aren't at stake, and so I feel for you, Frank,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: I really do. In the book It's the Cock Fight,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: It's on my blog page fifty five carse dot com.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: I'm my guest today, Frank Abrams. I appreciate your passion
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: on this subject. It's something near and dear to my heart. Frank,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: it's been great having you on the program. I appreciate
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: your sharing your time and with our listeners and documenting this.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: And it is a work of fiction, but Frank will
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: tell you all day long, this is all based on
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: reality and real quick Frank, in terms of being a
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: defense attorney, if I wanted a separate DNA test because
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: I had suspicions about the one that was presented by
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: the prosecuting attorney, how much would it cost me as
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: an a separate line item on the legal bill.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: Well, first of all, typically they take it takes quite
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 4: a long time to do, but it would be in
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: the many thousands of dollars at least three or four
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: thousand dollars, and you're going to have to go ahead,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: basically and also retain an expert regarding that all to
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: show that the first test had flaws. So take a
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  Speaker 4: guess what that's gone A.
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  Speaker 1: Put eight hundred plus dollars an hour.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, eight hundred plus. You know what an honored
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  Speaker 4: has been to talk to you. It has just been
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  Speaker 4: such an honor to be interviewed. And this book I
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  Speaker 4: wrote came from my heart.
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  Speaker 1: I know it did.
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  Speaker 4: And people seem to like this because this is a
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  Speaker 4: book that tells it like.
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  Speaker 1: It is well and again you're outlining in this work
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: of fiction real parallels to real life and again supporting
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: my argument that there should be no death from the state. Frank,
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  Speaker 1: keep up the great work. Thanks for joining me on
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  Speaker 1: the morning show, and I'll recomend my listeners. Go to
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  Speaker 1: fifty five carsy dot com and get a copy of
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  Speaker 1: your book, The Cockfight. Welcome to the fifty five Cars
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  Speaker 1: Morning Show. Lee Borden's Lee is with Classical Conversations, but
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: you can find all on Classical Conversations dot com. We're
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: talking about homeschooling along a classical and faith based way
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: and a wildly successful operation. It's been welcome to the program, Lee,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: it's a real pleasure to have you on today.
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  Speaker 11: Well, thanks for having me. I'm glad to be here.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: Well, I am obvious, well maybe not obvious to you.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: It's first time to speak. But I am very, very
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: disappointed the state of Americans education, failing grades, passing students
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: that don't have the skill sets to move on to
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: the next grade, woke ideology, CRT teaching, gender pronouns that
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: might fly in the face of, you know, a lot
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: of people's belief systems, or just simply the notion that
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: in order to just have these conversations which they're having
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: with very young children, it necessarily involves a discussion of
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: sex and sexuality, which I've offensive there are ways out
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: of it. And I talk about homeschooling all the time
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: in the program. Not that I did it, but we
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: have a wonderful woman named Ta Shuemak who joins a
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: program and she's got all the resources. She homeschooled. She
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: encourages others to do it. Your organization does the same thing.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: Tell my listeners about classical conversations.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 11: Well, thank you so Classical Conversations is a support organization
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 11: for families that are homeschooling. We enroll children in programs,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 11: but the parents attend because the parents are trying to
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 11: figure out how to homeschool classically as Christians and in
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 11: community when all of us were raised in secular, modern education,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 11: and so the parents need a friend, We need to
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 11: help one another. So we have over twenty seven hundred
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 11: communities across the United States where five to fifty students
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 11: and their parents get together one day a week for
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 11: half the year and they practice together teaching class school
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 11: Christian education. We have a curated curriculum everybody's using, and
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 11: then they go home and the parent now is better
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 11: equipped to help their students through the assignments. And then
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 11: they come back the next week and the students work
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 11: on what we call the dialectic and rhetoric. There's a
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 11: whole lot of interaction and peer activities. You know, you
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 11: can see at home and be quiet and think and
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 11: write your papers and do your math problems. So when
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 11: we get together that one day week, the whole purpose
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 11: is to have a lot of conversations around the material
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 11: and it's all original source documents.
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  Speaker 1: I love that well, I just I'm saying out loud
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: what I'm thinking, because one of the reservation reservations rather
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: the people have often or the the retort to, well,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: I'm going to educate my child at home, is that
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: they're going to lack this social interaction and that you know,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: it's important for kids to be around other kids and
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: not just their siblings and mom and dad. So this
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: provides that sort of quote unquote whole in homeschooling that
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: some perceive to exist.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, and so you know, I can read Shakespeare plays
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 11: with my kids, and we can go over the Declaration
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 11: of Independence. But it's a lot more fun when you
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 11: do it one day a week with your friends who
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 11: are doing the same thing. And besides being fun, it
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 11: also makes us so that when it doesn't many seem
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 11: important to one kid and they see another kid get
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 11: all excited. There's you know, this enthusiasm that can be
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 11: part of the socialization, you know, and academics and so.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 11: But you don't need to be doing it all day long,
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  Speaker 11: five days a.
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  Speaker 10: Week for most of the year.
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  Speaker 11: It's just not necessary. And so as in scores a
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 11: lot of us, I wanted half the year to do
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 11: what I want to do with my children, and you
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 11: know that's also the time to do delight directive education
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 11: as well as maybe you have a child that's ready
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 11: to have intensive phonics, or an older student that needs
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 11: more algebra help, or you have someone with special needs.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 11: So by meeting half the year together, we have this
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 11: community based education and then the other half the year
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 11: you can focus specifically on your children as individuals.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: Lee Morton. She's with and founded Classical Conversations, which you
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: can check out online at classical conversations dot com. Homeschooling
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  Speaker 1: with a Christian faith based sort of approach to the
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: whole thing, and that's why I wanted to hold you
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: over to talk about the surrounding the children with faith
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: elements and belief in Christianity. I trying to draw a
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: parallel here in my mind. When I think of homeschooling,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: I think of the struggles that I, Brian Thomas, might
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: face teaching my children something like physics. Okay, I don't
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: remember anything about physics. It's been too long. I've forgotten
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: what I knew about the science is given that I
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: didn't need it in my entire practicing law background up
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: and through my now seventeen years in radio, so I
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: don't know where to turn.
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  Speaker 12: Now.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: There are resources, of course you have them. That's one
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: of the reasons you have classical conversations. But pivoting over
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: to the Christian philosophy that is classical conversations theologians. I'm
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: not a theologian either, And while you can have a
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: deeply held belief in Christ, you may not be in
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: a position to sort of share the message on a
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: theological level. Is that part of the service that you provide.
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  Speaker 11: Yes, So the scriptures tell us we want to raise
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  Speaker 11: our children to have fat souls, because the child who
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 11: has filled these things from eternity is able to grow
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 11: into an adult that can have delayed gratification. And there's
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 11: the world's not all about themselves. And of course what
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 11: are we seeing right now is the absence of fat souls,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 11: and so therefore we have fat bodies and indulgence spirits instead.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 10: So you know, when a.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 7: Child knows that they are just a little lower than
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 7: the angels, rather than being taught they're a little better
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 7: than apes, or if they're taught that they are a
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 7: spirit with a body rather than a body with a spirit,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 7: it just.
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  Speaker 11: Makes for a totally different psyche and the human being,
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  Speaker 11: and that's what we're about. We're trying to teach them
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 11: that the timeless should affect the timely.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I get that, and the success has been amazing
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: for you. Tell my listeners this was you go back
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: to nineteen ninety seven. My understanding is that you had
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: your in your home. Eleven teenage boys were you took
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: on to classically educate? Is that the basis of this
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: and we're all those teenage boys yours? I don't see
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: that that's possible.
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  Speaker 7: No, there were girls there too.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 11: What was this three or four families we got together
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 11: and said, let's do this rhetorical level of classical education
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 11: together because it kind of requires it. And so there
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 11: was three moms that hung out. That says, not drop
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 11: off problem, I mean program. We're all there, working together,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 11: and within three years we had three hundred students on
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 11: the waiting list, and my husband quit work in order
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 11: to make it a viable company, and he's been with
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 11: us ever since, and at this point we have over
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 11: one hundred and thirty thousand students just in the United
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 11: States enrolled, which the influence of homeschooling. People just don't
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 11: really understand so if you consolidated my organization, we would
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 11: be the twentiest largest school district in the United States.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 11: These parents care and they are powerful because they love
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 11: their children so much. And so now the whole world
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 11: is clamoring to understand what is classical education and what
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 11: I would just like your listeners and though is you're
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 11: not going to ever separate classical education from faith and family.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 11: It's not a secular task.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting, now you know one of the things, it's you're proselytizing,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: which is a good thing. I atheist Pendulette, I think
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: made the best argument for proselytizing. If you are a
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: true believer, and you truly believe that your neighbor who
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: maybe isn't a Christian is going to be suffering eternal
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: damnation for their failure to be Christian, you owe it
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: to them to explain to them why you're worried about them.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: This element of and I appreciate that that public schools
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: aren't teaching religion and not a fan of it necessarily
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: because what type of theologian you get they have in class?
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: Are they teaching your version of the of the scripture
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: or someone else's? So I got a problem with that.
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  Speaker 1: But if you're in control of the curriculum and your
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: faith based, you get get to control the narrative. Just
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  Speaker 1: that seems to me like a very big missing component
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: that public schools can never fill.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, and that's why, like I'm not for public education
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  Speaker 11: at all. Public education is inherently publicly funded. That's what
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 11: makes it public. Therefore it is inherently socialists. And of
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 11: course we shouldn't be surprised after six generations of having
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 11: compulsory education we have all these Marxists. It's the natural result.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 11: Public school is finally successful at what it was designed
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 11: to do. Get your kids out. Now we can see what.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 13: It was really all about.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: Well, wildly successful organization yours, forty five thousand families serving
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: now enrolled in programs spread over fifty countries globally. This
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: is a worldwide success that you've created here.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, there's we just crossed the ten thousand marks and
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 11: the other countries that are in and recognize a lot
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 11: of rentalmen's actually fifty countries, and a lot of the
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 11: countries are in it's illegal to homeschool. It's illegally even
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 11: be a Christian in some of them. So they're underground,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 11: and we're just super happy that we can be helpful
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 11: to them.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: I love that. I love that underground element, and I
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: causu I'd be living in a country where you're not
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: free to pursue your own religion. You're not free to
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: teach your children. They must go into the public and
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: doctrination camps. That's one of the things that I think
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: people are so shortsighted about in America these days, that
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: the freedoms that we get to enjoy that just don't
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: exist outside of our borders. I'll tell you what, Lee,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough on behalf of all my
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: listeners who are going to be looking into this and
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: perhaps training their children classically in education Classical conversations dot com.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: I guess the founder of the organization, Lee Borton's Lee,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: it's been a real pleasure and uplifting conversation and very
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: inspirational as well. I wish you continued success. Liz Wheeler,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: author of the book We're going to be talking about
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: today that everybody needs to get hide your children, exposing
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: the Marxists behind the attack on America's kids. Liz Wheeler
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: you probably have already heard about her. She is a
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: very prominent conservative hosts the podcast The Liz Wheeler Show,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: author of Tipping Points. How the Top of the Left's
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: House of Cards, named a top ten thirty under thirty
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: conservative rising star in twenty ten by Red Alert Politics
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: and profiled by Political Magazine of All Places in twenty eighteen,
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: is a titan of conservative media. Welcome to the Morning show, Liz.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: It is indeed a pleasure to have you on to
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: talk about your book, Hide Your Children.
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  Speaker 14: Hi, Brian, thanks so much for having me. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad I ended up going to law school because
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know what I would have done with political
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: science degree. But having gotten a political science degree undergrad,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: I did read Marx, and I'm familiar with Marx's writings
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: and the teachings. I guess I'm wondering, as you document
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: an outline in your book, everybody seems to be in
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: on Marxism, teachers' union, school counselors, planned parenthood, critical race theory,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: the CDC, American to me, and pediatrics. How is it
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: that a theory of politics that has been an epic
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: global failure in every single institution that has endeavored to
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: embrace it. How does that even have legs in what
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: is demonstrably the proven winner in terms of political structure,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: the United States of America.
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  Speaker 15: Well, listen, I'm impressed that you read Karl Marx in college.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 15: Unless they were teaching it as something that was wonderful
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 15: and we should aspire to.
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  Speaker 14: You wouldn't see that in the political guide in the
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 14: program anymore.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: With the type of cost to say, they wouldn't have
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: you read Marx. They would just talk about it in
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: generalized terms.
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  Speaker 14: Exactly and call for us to be on that side
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 14: of history.
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  Speaker 15: Listen, the type of Marxism that we're seeing in this country,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 15: it is the same as Carl Marx's Marxism in the
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 15: sense that the ultimate goal is the same. These people
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 15: still want to abolish capitalism, they still want a revolution,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 15: they still want to topple our government, but the way
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 15: that they're going about it has changed. Because when Karl
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 15: Marx wrote The Communist Matters, so as I'm sure you remember,
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 15: he envisioned a global Marxist revolution that didn't really happen.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 15: There were some Marxist revolutions, but the global revolution never occurred.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 15: So Marxism went out of fashion politically for a little while.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 15: And it was revived in the twentieth century by an
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 15: Italian Marxist, actually by the name of Antonio Gramsi. He
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 15: was the co founder of the Italian Communist Party, and
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 15: he was put in prison by Mussolini, and he was
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 15: studying Marxism while he was in prison, and he recognized
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 15: that when Marxist revolutions were actually successful, they weren't predicated
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 15: on economic discontent. It wasn't the working class that was
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 15: overthrowing the ruling class. It was first predicated by the
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 15: government or activist organizations working on behalf of government figures,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 15: demolishing or capturing cultural institutions first. And he named these
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 15: cultural institutions on which the working class rely as the media,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 15: the education system, religious institutions, the law of the nuclear family,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 15: which of course is exactly what we're seeing happen today
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 15: here in the United States. These organizations, I argue in
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 15: my book that four of the five of them have
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 15: already been captured, and the fifth, the Nuclear family, is
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 15: under assault right now, which is why they're targeting our children.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 15: But these different organizations that we see popping up the
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 15: last couple of years around the country, whether it's Black
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 15: Lives Matter, whether it's the president of the American Library Association.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 15: These people admit that they hold Marxist ideology. They call
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 15: themselves Marxists. Whether it's the Black Lives Matter leaders saying
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 15: we are trained Marxists, whether it's Emily Drabinski, the president
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 15: of the American Library Association, calling herself a lesbian Marxist.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 14: These people are open about their ideology.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 15: It's just a matter of whether we as conservatives, we're
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 15: so used to dismissing what they say because they often
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 15: lie and propagate fake news. At the same time they articulate,
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 15: they verbalize what they're going to do and why.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and as you've illustrated, the history demonstrates that those
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: who have instituted well what they call Marxist regimes are
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: not truly Marxist, and that it is an overthrow of
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: the proletariat or by the workers of the ruling class.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: It is a top down thing which always translates into well,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: the rulers end up living glorious, grand capitalist type lives
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: while the rest of us all suffer equally. I mean,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: it's equal suffering, and they always live the lavish life
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: they're not sharing. In the Marxist theoretical burden.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 15: That's exactly right, and that's why you can see the
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 15: leaders of many of these organizations, whether it's the leaders
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 15: of the teachers' unions or the or Black Lives Matter,
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 15: or you know, those who are trying to assault homeschooling
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 15: or whatever it may be.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 14: Wherever these assaults on our kids are coming from.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 15: Why they're not concerned with the history of communism and
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 15: Marxism because they understand that the role that they play
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 15: in their communist vision is that of the elite, and
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 15: the elite are the ones who escape the inevitable starvation, oppression,
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 15: and death. You can look at the Bolshevik Revolution in
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 15: Russia as a perfect example of this of both things.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 14: Actually of the elite being.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 15: The ones who were enriched both in power and in money,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 15: but also in the different cultural institutions that were decimated,
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 15: whether it was the church, whether the education system, whether
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 15: it was freedom of speech, whether it was all of
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 15: these freedom of the press, all of these different institutions
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 15: were torn down in that first year of the revolution,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 15: which allowed the communist regime or the socialist regime in
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 15: Bolshevik Russia to be successful. And when I say successful,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 15: I mean to actually exact Marxism, not not to cause prosperity.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: Of course, my guess day, Liz Wheel, author of Hide
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: Your Children, Exposing the marxis behind the attack on America's kids.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: Focusing on children what always worries me, and it happened
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: here in the city of Cincinnati some years ago. The
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: idea of pre k education sold to people as a
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: means of allowing oh so women can work well. That
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: destroys the nuclear family. Women go out to work that
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: children are then run and raised by the state. There's
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: no opportunity for what my parents would do when over
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: the dinner table, deprogramming you from the leftism that goes
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: on in a classroom. I guess we have COVID to
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: thank for the great awakening that's going on in this
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: country against public education. Without COVID, we'd still be blindly
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: sending our kids to school and not having any idea
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: what's being taught.
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  Speaker 15: It's one of the reasons that I feel encouraged even
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 15: as we live in this cultural insanity where boys are
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 15: told they can be girls, and girls are told they
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 15: can be boys, and white children are told they're racist
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 15: and black children are told they' oppressed. I mean, this
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 15: is pretty This is madness that we're living in right now.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 15: But I feel encouraged because for the first time, people,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 15: including parents, but it's not just parents, have their eyes open.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 15: We see the reality of the political enemy that's in
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 15: front of us, and that's never happened before. These attacks
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 15: on our children, especially in the education system, aren't new.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 15: We just noticed them, and they might be escalating, but
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 15: they've actually the seeds for these attacks have been planted
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 15: in our institutions for decades upon decades, and Republicans were
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 15: just lively unaware. We had our heads in the sand,
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 15: which allowed the capture of these institutions to be success. Well,
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 15: now parents actually realize what we're up against and it's
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 15: not going to We're not going to let the other
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 15: side get away with it, which of course is also
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 15: why I say at the beginning of my book, we
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 15: need to expect escalation because the other side recognizes that
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 15: they're time to impose this sort of Marxism on our
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 15: society through the formation of our children's minds in the
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 15: education system.
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  Speaker 14: They understand that it's now or never. Because we understand
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 14: what we are up.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: Against, Well, would you say, and I think I'm going
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: to anticipate, yes, that this whole green energy revolution, in
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: this carbon crap is designed to kneecappus economically and make
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: a force capitulation by the American well, our system of government.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, what they can accomplish through political activism and
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: through elections, they're going to accomplish through regulation and wealth
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: redistribution via the tax code.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 14: Yeah, that's exactly right.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 15: And there's an additional factor too that makes it worse,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 15: and that's the ESG score, the Environmental, Social and Governance metrics.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 15: I talk about this a little bit in my book,
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 15: which some people ask why because they're like, what does
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 15: this have to do with a tax on children?
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 11: Well, I'll tell you.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 15: These ESG scores are essentially the same as the Chinese
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 15: Social credit score system, where you are ranked based on
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 15: your adherents to a communist ideology. In China, it's on
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 15: an individual basis as well as corporations. Here in the
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 15: United States, it hasn't quite trickled down to individuals yet,
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 15: although they intend to. Right now, it just ranks businesses.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 15: But these businesses, if they want access to capital, if
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 15: they want access to loans, if they want access to
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 15: the marketplace, Essentially they have to propagate leftist ideologies and
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 15: leftist agenda items, whether this is paying for their employees
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 15: to travel out of state for abortions, whether this is
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 15: DEI offices, whatever it might be, these very leftist causes,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 15: whether it's commitment to going fossil fuel free, curbon neutral,
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 15: that kind of nonsense which we know is unrealistic and harmful.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 15: They're locked into propagating these agendas because they have to
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 15: pursue their ESG score if they want to participate in
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 15: the marketplace. And the way that this impacts our children,
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 15: the way that this harms our children, and is you know,
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 15: look at bud light, look at target these different places
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 15: that we're targeting target especially with targeting our children.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 14: With queer theory, are small children.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 15: And even amidst the backlash from consumers and the boycott
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 15: that is continuing to ensue very successfully, I might add,
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 15: they are not going to change their course, not because
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 15: the people at the top of you know, in New
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 15: York executive boardroom are committed Marxists, but because they can't.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 15: If they do reverse course, if they do recant this,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 15: they will have their esg's or a doct and it
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 15: will hurt them in the marketplace. So until we add
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 15: a society this can be done at the state level
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 15: or the federal level, use the just authority of government
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 15: to ban ESG. Then we're not going to be able
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 15: to stop the corporate wocus and that's targeting our children.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: So from where do the ESG scores come? Who is
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: the lord and master over assigning an ESG score? And
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: I suppose the banks have a tremendous amount to do
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: with this, given that that's the lending in the financial
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: connection that you're saying, Well, the reason corporations are even
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: bothering with ESG you're paying attention to their score might be,
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: is because they're being denied access to capital. Well, denying
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: access to capital to otherwise successful businesses is not in
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: a bank's best interest either, So how is it that
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: there's been so much business capitulation when this is harmful
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: to the whole idea of commerce?
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 15: Well, as you rightly note, the enforcers of ESG are
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 15: the biggest banking institutions in our country. So two examples
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 15: would be Black Rock and Bank of America. These institutions
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 15: control much of the capital in the marketplace when it
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 15: comes to loans or entering the marketplace.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 14: And they are committed to these ESG scores.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 15: They are part of, you know, that annual World Economic
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 15: Forum gathering where many of these ideas come from. The
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 15: World Economic Forum actively calls for a redefinition of capitalism.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 15: They of course want to transform our capitalist system. They
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 15: call it shareholder capitalism, which there's just another term for
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 15: free market capitalism. They want to transform it into stakeholder capitalism. Now,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 15: stakeholder capitalism isn't capitalism. They're just trying to retain the
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 15: words so that people are confused. But stakeholder capitalism is
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 15: this authoritarian system where sure there are elements of the
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 15: free market that are allowed to reign just enough so
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 15: that businesses can be kind of successful like they are
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 15: in China, But at the end of the day, these businesses,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 15: while not technically owned by the government, are controlled by
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 15: government ideology. That's essentially what the role that these big
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 15: banks are serving in ESG. But the people behind the ESG,
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 15: the people whose idea it was, are people like klau
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 15: Schwab in the World Economic Forum, people like organizations like
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 15: the United Nations, who don't believe in free countries, don't
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 15: believe in a capitalist society, they too pursue, just like
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 15: the original Markist, the abolition of communism and the imposition
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 15: of a communist economy, knowing of course that they will
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 15: hold the power and the money and not suffer any
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 15: of the devastation or death.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: Le's Wheeler author Hid Your Children, exposing the Marxist behind
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: the attack on America's kids and in turning before we
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: part company today and this has been just an amazing conversation,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: an amazing book, Liz Wheeler. It seems though that another
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: component of this COVID revelation is the idea that I
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: think everybody of any political strike, with the exception of
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: people who are die hard Unions or Marxists, everybody wants
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to send their children a better school. The
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: public schools. I mean, look at Baltimore. They can't find
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: a kid who can read at grade level. They are
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: dumbing down our children to the point where they they're
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: just going to become what reliant on government because they
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: won't able to feed themselves. They won't question this ideology
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: because they don't they lack critical thinking skills. That seems
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: to be a goal of the public education system is
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: to produce a bunch of idiots that will be useful
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: to the cause.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 14: That's exactly right.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 15: I mean, I have a fairly based viewpoint on the
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 15: public school system in this day and age. I'm not
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 15: sure why one would send a child to the public
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 15: school system. I understand why some people feel that they
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 15: don't have a choice, but it's producing academically the fish students,
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 15: socially stunted students. Half of schools aren't even safe for
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 15: either bullying, gang related activities, or school shooters. Ideologically, they
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 15: are assaulted at every turn with Marxist ideology. There's no
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 15: reason that we should be sending our children collectively.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 14: To the public school system.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 15: And this is actually one of the most interesting pieces
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 15: of information I came across in the course of researching
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 15: my book. The public school system in America didn't become
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 15: mandatory until eighteen fifty two. Massachusetts was the first state
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 15: to make it compulsory, and the reason they did was
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 15: because there was an influx of immigrants coming to our
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 15: country at the time, particularly Catholic immigrants, and the Protestant
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 15: politicians in charge of Massachusetts wanted to indoctrinate the immigrant
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 15: children in American values so that they would be loyal
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 15: to America first versus the country of their birth, and
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 15: in Protestant values because of the centuries old battles between
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 15: Protestants and Catholics, and I realized our education system actually
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 15: is supposed to be an indoctrination center.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 14: That's what it's supposed to do. We oftentimes associate.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 15: In doctrination negatively because of what the Democrats are indoctriating
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 15: our children with. But I challenge conservatives to think of
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 15: indoctrination as morally neutral, to take back this institution and
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 15: actually start teaching children not just this neutral idea of reading, writing,
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 15: and arithmetic, but to understand that there's really no such
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 15: thing as neutrality. Either the Democrats are going to be
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 15: teaching their ideologies to our children, or we Republicans are
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 15: going to be imparting American values in Judeo Christian morals.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 15: And if we don't reorient our thinking away from neutrality
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 15: and understand that was the purpose of our public school
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 15: as an institution to actually train children and what's right
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 15: and what's wrong, then we're going to continue to lose
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 15: this fight.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: Loz Wheeler just been fantastic Kevin in the program, all
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: the emails and texts are coming in. They love what
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: you're saying. They're going to get a copy of your book.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: Hide your children, which they can easily do. Liz, write
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: on my blog page, but if you have caresy dot
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: com to be a link there, please buy it, forward
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: it to your friends, let them or you to get
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: your kids out of public education until we can write
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: this ship and turn it back to what it used
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: to be. Liz, thank you for your time, and thank
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: you for what you're doing for America and writing this book.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: Retired United States Marine Corps Colonel Eric Bure by way
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: of background, native California. We won't hold that again to
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: Eric spent his formative years in rural New England before
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: graduating from Ohio Wesleyan University with a degree in economics.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: He then accepted a commission from the Marine Corps, trained
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: to fly attack helicopters, which we'll be talking about here
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: in a moment. His deployments took it to the Persian Gulf, Samalia, Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: Later served on the staff of the Chairman of the
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: Joints Chiefs, as Professor of National Security Strategy and Policy
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: at the National War College, and as an Air Group
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: Commanding Officer, currently Senior executive for Aviation and Training Company.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: Also a consultant public speaker in areas of military and
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: commercial aviation and global conflict. Welcome to the program, and
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: God bless you for your service to our country. Colonel
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: Eric Buwer. It's great to have you on today.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 6: Good morning, Hey, great to be here.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: Appreciate that and the reason you're here. Ghosts of Baghdad
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: Marine Corps gunships. On the opening days of the Iraq War,
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: you flew a Cobra attack helicopter. Is that the name
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: of the helicopter you flew?
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 16: That's correct, Yeah, Bell h Ones so them for a
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 16: goody plus years now.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: The helicopter, I remember the one that was just chock
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: full of all kinds of armaments and armaments and everything.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: That that's the Blackhawk. Is what's the difference between a
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: Cobra and a black Hawk before we dive into what
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: you have been through.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 6: Sure, so, a Cobra's an attack helicopter. You'll see, it's cannon, missiles, rockets,
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 6: all the things you'd expect.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 16: It's it's closely associated with the Armies Apache, which is
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 16: also an attack helicopter.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: All right, Now, the first question I've got to ask you,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: because I've seen a lot of war movies in my time.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: I did not serve our country, so I do not
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: know what the what combat is like. And I'm just
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: thoroughly impressed anybody who's been through that. But how in
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: the hell do you manage to fly into these unbelievably
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: hence the fields of battle and not get shot down?
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: Think with modern armaments these days, drones and rockets and
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: you know, shoulder launched missiles, how is it you avoid
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: getting shot down? It seems like it will be such
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: an easy target to hit.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 16: You know, we're trying to think about that too. No,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 16: it's uh, you know, we do our best, and we
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 16: have great training. Uh, there's great air crews, there's great
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 16: maintenance crews. On this deployment, the vast majority of our
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 16: aircraft were hit by enemy fire. It's it's it's a
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 16: it's a real good study of the enemy and what
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 16: they're doing, how they're doing. Uh, and then our tactics
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 16: that try to keep us out of the most likely
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 16: scenarios where we could be, you know, really heavily engaged
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 16: by the enemies.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 6: So and then, by the grace of God, right, and
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 6: you just you find a way that you find a
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 6: way to.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 16: Learn lessons each day, each night, and then you put
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 16: those lessons to practice the next day, and you hope
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 16: you're a little smarter, you hope you a little.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 6: Better and uh, and then roll the dice for Quartane.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: Now is a helicopter? I mean, I think about D
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: Day and what the landscape might have been completely different
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: if we had helicopters supporting those arriving on the on
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: the beaches of Normandy. But in terms of your the
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: military's practice of the helicopter, is it is it an
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: advanced thing that the helicopters would go in? Is it
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: used this follow up support after ground troops have moved in?
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: Is a combination the above depending upon the mission and
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: what what kind of role does the helicopter play in
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: any given combat?
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 6: Great question, So the role of the cobra, We'll do
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 6: a little bit of both.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 16: So in a scenario similar to D Day, you would
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 16: send in in the day there they send an aircraft
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 16: and they send in your mustangs or thunderbolts.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 6: To attack, you know, targets on the beach.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 16: They'd use artillery from ships to again attack targets on
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 16: the beach, we would be that artillery.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 6: We would be those thunderbolts and mustangs. So we go in.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 16: Some we go in prior uh to work on what
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 16: we call the pre plant targets. And as marines, most importantly,
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 16: as marines go in, we are right there with them.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 16: So we're close air support and wherever those marines go,
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 16: we go with them. That our primary mission.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: Well, given the theaters of of action, you saw Persian
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: golf smelling of Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan, all of them very
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: very dangerous. How many missions did you fly, sir, during
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: your service to our country While you're behind the stick,
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: if I may use that term, I don't know he's
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: lost track.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 6: No, it wasn't lost track. You just at some point
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 6: you care.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 16: At some point it just doesn't matter anymore because what
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 16: you're doing is so important. It's so important really for
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 16: those marines and sailors in particularly we support. So yeah,
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 16: really long long, long, stopping about me or about us
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 16: in aviation. It really it really is always about those
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 16: marines that were supporting.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: Well, the name of the book goes to bag Dag
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: Marine Corps gunship on the opening days of the Iraq War,
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: and you notice I emphasize opening days. Why did you
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: focus on the opening days? Because clearly, with your years
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: of service, I imagine there's like four or five books
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: worth of material you could pass along.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 6: So the opening days it really what I wanted to
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 6: do in this book in particular, was it was It's
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 6: been in my brain for a while. Is it's just
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 6: capture Really what is the first twenty five plus days
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 6: of the Warner Rocks.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 16: So it begins the opening night, and it really lets
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 16: the reader and lets step into the cockpit, close the
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 16: campig unless I walked through a door that was otherwise closed.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 16: And whether you like me or not, you've got to
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  Speaker 16: spend twenty five plus days with my cock in my cockpit,
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  Speaker 16: and you see the world through my lens. But the
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  Speaker 16: book is not about me, You'll quickly realize. It's about everybody.
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  Speaker 16: It's about my copilot, it's about my wingment, it's about
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  Speaker 16: squadron mates, it's about rains on the grounds. It's really
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  Speaker 16: my opportunity to tell a story, an untold story. So
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  Speaker 16: I feel pretty pretty blessed, pretty privileged for the opportunity
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  Speaker 16: to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm blessed and privilege for the opportunity to talk
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  Speaker 1: to you about the book, and my producer has already
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  Speaker 1: added your book to my blog page if you have
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  Speaker 1: cares dot com, so they can easily get a copy
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  Speaker 1: of that. I've got a lot of folks in my
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  Speaker 1: listening audience who are either served in the military, veterans,
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  Speaker 1: they have members that are currently serving or have served,
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  Speaker 1: And of course my show is dedicated and committed anything
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  Speaker 1: I can do to help America's military. You mentioned the
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  Speaker 1: Marines on the ground. How much did you rely on
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  Speaker 1: ground support information data fed to you real time while
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  Speaker 1: you're in the helicopter or is this sort of just
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  Speaker 1: deal with it as you approach it kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: Perhaps a combination of both. Again, having never been been
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  Speaker 1: there and done that, I'm kind of curious about that.
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  Speaker 6: So it is a combination both.
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  Speaker 16: So the folks from the ground have a great idea
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  Speaker 16: that they know exactly what's happening, they know the type
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  Speaker 16: of enemy they're dealing with, and in our case, at
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  Speaker 16: a very tactical level, every marine, every marine unit from
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  Speaker 16: the company size up as it has a will be
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  Speaker 16: on a ground controller and they're passion this information. You know,
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  Speaker 16: minute by minute what they're seeing simultaneously, we're painting the
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  Speaker 16: picture for them on the ground what we see, and
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  Speaker 16: then together that builds, that builds a little bit of
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  Speaker 16: an insight for us, a little a little bit of awareness.
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  Speaker 6: And hopefully allows us to do a better jobs for you.
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  Speaker 4: Then things happened so quickly.
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  Speaker 6: There is no perfect intelligence, there's no intelligence. What's happening
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  Speaker 6: to block away two blocks away. It's us that are
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  Speaker 6: cheaping that.
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  Speaker 16: It's us to understand it best, and then we're trusted
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  Speaker 16: to make the best decisions we.
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  Speaker 1: Can well demonstrable badassery. I can't thank you enough for
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  Speaker 1: your service for our country. USMC Retired Colonel Eric Viewer
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  Speaker 1: of the book Ghosts of Bagdad Marine Corps Gunships on
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  Speaker 1: It has been a real pleasure talking with you, and
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  Speaker 1: I know everybody's going to enjoy the book. I'm happy
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  Speaker 1: to welcome with the FT five Cares Morning Show. Ilo
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  Speaker 1: Creed Days an American author. He's written under a multiple
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  Speaker 1: pen names. He has sold over one point four million books.
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  Speaker 1: He's received multiple Gold medals for novels and been a
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  Speaker 1: Best selling many times over author. Today, we're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: talking about the book Plunged the Three Worlds. It's book
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  Speaker 1: one Three Worlds described as Christian sci fi series. Shiloh,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the fifty five KRSEE Morning Show. Thanks for
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  Speaker 1: showing up.
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  Speaker 13: Hey, thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I'm confused Christian sci fi series. That's sort of
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  Speaker 1: an interesting melding of mediums, I guess. Or I'm just
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out how Christianity and science fiction go
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  Speaker 1: hand in hand. Obviously that's what the book is all about.
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  Speaker 1: But how did you get the inspiration for this particular
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  Speaker 1: book and the idea of merging sci fi and christian theme.
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  Speaker 13: Well, it's been a long journey. I've written thirty eight novels,
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  Speaker 13: but this one has been over ten years in the making,
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  Speaker 13: so I've had a lot of revisions and it's been
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  Speaker 13: quite a journey. But you know, have you ever heard
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  Speaker 13: of the Philadelphia Project?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so we go there too. So a
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  Speaker 13: big part of the book is kind of based on
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  Speaker 13: the Philadelphia Project, which is considered a conspiracy theory, I
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  Speaker 13: guess now, So yeah, we've got conspiracy theories, sci fi
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  Speaker 13: and spiritual thriller all wrapped up into one. So Plunge
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  Speaker 13: is the story of Jacob Carter who is forced into
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  Speaker 13: a military experiment which causes him to jump into the
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  Speaker 13: spiritual side of our world, where instead of seeing the physical,
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  Speaker 13: he's actually experiencing spiritual things. So it's his journey of
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  Speaker 13: discovering who he really is as a navy feel he's
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  Speaker 13: very strong, capable and smart, but in the spirit he
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  Speaker 13: discovers his true self is not all he wants it
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  Speaker 13: to be. So it's a super fun journey.
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  Speaker 1: So this spiritual realm that he finds himself in, I
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  Speaker 1: guess my understanding is that there's a a cloaking device
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  Speaker 1: that puts him into this spiritual realm. Now is this
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  Speaker 1: a spiritual realm?
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  Speaker 9: Is it?
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  Speaker 1: Is it evil?
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  Speaker 5: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: I means he is? He is he attacked? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: because if it's spiritual, there's no physical nature going on.
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, you couldn't get into a gunfight in
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  Speaker 1: the spiritual world. I mean, does he come under some
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  Speaker 1: threat or and how is his spirituality tested?
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  Speaker 11: For sure?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, a lot of threats. There's definitely an action adventure book,
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  Speaker 13: so there's a fight scenes throughout, but in the spirit
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  Speaker 13: the enemy is a lion, and he is being hunted.
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  Speaker 13: Jacob is being hunted throughout the whole book, and it's
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  Speaker 13: his journey to figure out, you know what biblically does
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  Speaker 13: he have? What what can he do to protect himself
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  Speaker 13: and to change things and to keep himself from you know,
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  Speaker 13: from the enemy there. So, yeah, plunge is definitely man.
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  Speaker 13: I tell people when to pick it up. I say,
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  Speaker 13: brace yourself because in the physical world, when he jumps
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  Speaker 13: back into the physical he is facing super soldiers. They're
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  Speaker 13: putting him against super soldiers to see if they can
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  Speaker 13: the government can use the knowledge that he gained in
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  Speaker 13: the spirit. So yeah, fights in both worlds.
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  Speaker 1: I guess is the lion a metaphor or is it
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  Speaker 1: a true lion? I'm thinking like the Lion, the Witch
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  Speaker 1: and the Wardrobe, which many point two is maybe a
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  Speaker 1: dominant Christian theme if you read those series of books.
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  Speaker 1: But in this particular book, is that is that sort
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  Speaker 1: of a Is that like an homage to the lion
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  Speaker 1: the witch in the War about Wardrobe in some way?
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  Speaker 13: No, maybe more to scripture. You know, the Bible says
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  Speaker 13: that the enemy goes about like a roaring lion, so
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  Speaker 13: it is I fund definitely has a lot of allegorical content.
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  Speaker 13: So you know, the more that you get into it,
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  Speaker 13: the more I think things that will pop out to
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  Speaker 13: you as you read the book.
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  Speaker 1: There was a book designed to test people's faith or
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  Speaker 1: to you know, affirm it in some way.
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  Speaker 13: Oh, definitely to a ferment. When I was thirty two,
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  Speaker 13: I had major heart trouble, and this book was really
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  Speaker 13: born out of my struggle to find faith and to
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  Speaker 13: find divine healing, which thank God I have received here.
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  Speaker 13: I am so yeah. Plunge is definitely a spiritual journey,
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  Speaker 13: and its purpose is to strengthen, encourage, and kind of
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  Speaker 13: wake up the church and people who are maybe seeking
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  Speaker 13: God but haven't seen any of his power. They haven't
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  Speaker 13: seen the life that they expected to see from that relationship.
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  Speaker 1: How about that? So I think you've already answered the question,
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  Speaker 1: But who did you write this book for? I can
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  Speaker 1: certainly understand that now. I guess you went through this
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  Speaker 1: challenge yourself. Was it one of those moments when you
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  Speaker 1: felt like God had kind of given up on you
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  Speaker 1: or turned his back on you in some way, shape
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  Speaker 1: or form. Because I know a lot of people struggle
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  Speaker 1: with that sort of harsh reality of the world when
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  Speaker 1: they experience times of trouble or maybe in your case,
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  Speaker 1: health problems crop up like a cancer diagnosis or something.
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  Speaker 13: Definitely a dark time, but it was also a time
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  Speaker 13: of hope because I had made the complete decision for
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  Speaker 13: myself to trust God's words. So I didn't see any doctors,
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  Speaker 13: I didn't do anything else. I I just went to
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  Speaker 13: the Lord. And so although it was difficult, I think
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  Speaker 13: the biggest thing that I had to do was unlearned
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  Speaker 13: things that I thought about God. And I had to
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  Speaker 13: go to the Bible and discover what did God actually
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  Speaker 13: say about himself? And then I had to believe that
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  Speaker 13: instead of all of the things that I had spent
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  Speaker 13: my life believing before.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough, Now, this is the first book and what
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  Speaker 1: is called the Three Worlds Christian sci fi series? King
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  Speaker 1: real quick, I guess, have the other books been written
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  Speaker 1: already and we're just waiting to release them after this
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  Speaker 1: one's gone out, or are you still working on them?
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  Speaker 1: And what also is the Three Worlds? What does initial
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  Speaker 1: cap three worlds Christian refer to.
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  Speaker 13: Sure three worlds refers to heaven or and Hell. So
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  Speaker 13: the book kind of spans all three realms, and the
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  Speaker 13: series definitely does. I'm actually sitting here in front of
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  Speaker 13: my computer editing Book two. It is scheduled to release,
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  Speaker 13: I believe in July, and it is up on pre
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  Speaker 13: order right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 13: So as the series progresses, we definitely get into end
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  Speaker 13: Times themes. There starts in book two and in book
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  Speaker 13: three is full on end time revelation type stuff.
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  Speaker 6: Wow.
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  Speaker 13: That's extremely fun series.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds very interesting to say the least. And I
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  Speaker 1: know my listeners will be very interested in getting copy
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  Speaker 1: of your book. So what we've done is, Shiloh, put
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  Speaker 1: your book up on my blog page fifty five care
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  Speaker 1: se dot com with a link to purchase a copy,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll encourage my listeners to check that out. Sounds fascinating. Shiloh,
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  Speaker 1: create a real pleasure having on the program this morning,
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  Speaker 1: and keep up the great work. Obviously, you are an
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  Speaker 1: inspired writer with thirty one books under your belt. I
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  Speaker 1: just can't imagine.
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  Speaker 13: Oh, thank you so so much for having me.
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  Speaker 11: I appreciate it been.
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  Speaker 1: A real pleasure. Take care seven thirty eight fifty five
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