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Talks to Lucy McCaul about her choice of The Underwater Menace (4/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm so drunk. Two.
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  Welcome back to hamster with a blunt penknife Doctor Who
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  commentary podcast where Joe and I are still in Atlantis and once
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  more static? Yeah, very static in this
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  direction. You have to say anything as
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  absurd as welcome back to Afghanistan a blunt penknife the
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  other points of your life. No, but you know I'll take it
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  I'll take it to thank you very much.
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  How do you feel About, you know, a very eccentric.
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  Shall we say story now, suddenly taking a turn for I'm at would
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  say it's dark but it's it's a lot of a lot more serious in
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  Evans. But then I think it has to try
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  and deliver all done some of the Jeopardy that was promised at
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  the beginning because if you've got a man who is determined to
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  blow up the world, he has to at least try and do that.
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  Or the audience is cheated of the because otherwise, the
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  Jeopardy that's gone before isn't isn't worth anything.
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  If he's easily defeated, it has to come, there has to be some
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  destruction. It has Come down to the water a
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  little bit. And from what I can see, from
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  the tally snobs, they had a bloody good stab at flooding.
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  Lee says, it looks like it doesn't it that must have been a
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  long Joseph. First actually goes underwater,
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  doesn't it? He's yeah, almost submerged.
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  So he may have been submerged by the end, but we obviously we
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  don't see that. But yes, it looks like it, but
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  for such a comic character, that's a pretty graphic way to
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  go. Hmm, justifies.
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  Well I suppose I mean he's he the way the characters going he
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  is either going to destroy or be destroyed.
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  It's not a point where he's going to be quietly arrested and
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  taken off somewhere. So it's it was going to, it's
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  going to happen violence. He's going to occur at someone
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  because I'm trying to think of like other madly over-the-top
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  villains and what their exits are.
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  But I'll keep going back to Peter Jeffrey at the end of
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  Android. Tarah.
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  Next time, we will not be so lenient was there recently, you
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  know, Leeds Castle? Yes, it's beautiful, honestly
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  visit, if you can well, okay, I mean, I've got more questions
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  for you for within this episode, but should we jump in?
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  Yeah, let's do it. Okay, well, I'll, I'll count as
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  in you, did the intro in five, four, three, two, one, Off we
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  go, I'm not at all convinced Lucy that people watch the
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  episodes. Alongside these college awful, a
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  just listen to the commentary. As you know.
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  That's fair enough. I've tried a couple of times
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  myself though, with older ones. It does work a tree.
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  Do you like listening out there? That's why it's designed for,
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  right? Okay, a still of a pistol.
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  Yep, I still of zeref looking well actually.
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  Looks like I'm sorry looks a little bit aroused their then he
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  know, I'm sorry. Not sorry to hold up your bread.
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  Go on. Oh she's going to hands.
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  Thank you. Thank you very much.
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  Who looks disapproving. Okay, I'll need a bit more help
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  with the plot. Okay.
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  So obviously I know the plan is that they're off is going to
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  destroy the world by tipping the ocean.
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  Yes. Our Volk it down into the molten
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  crust of the earth. Yes.
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  And detonating the planet. Yes.
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  Um, so what goes wrong? So the doctor and the doctor
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  floods, the He does something to the power station.
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  Then you one of the nuclear power plants.
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  Is that the world whenever got off the food?
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  Yes. Okay, so that Revolution.
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  Yeah, and that that causes part of the Sort of retaining walls
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  to collapse and then water comes in but in the wrong place and it
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  floods the power stations and the laboratory.
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  Okay, though. So nothing.
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  So it won't work the. So the mechanism is won't work
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  that he is planning to use relied on occasion of Earth
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  where they divert the bomb, you know, they just the water.
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  Yes, only more complicated and wetter much wetter.
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  Yes. Yes.
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  I have a lot of water in it, almost like this.
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  Titanic style drama, but even so.
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  Yeah. Break down the sea walls and
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  flood the laboratory. He says, there's only one thing
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  that's worrying, me. What's that?
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  Can we all swim? Exactly the doctor.
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  Yes, and he said he quite matter-of-factly as well.
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  These are not not sort of humorously.
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  Not like like I said it, you know what I try on for, you
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  know, one of the most irreverent doctors his murder count.
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  On or rather his Lucien by killing is pretty high.
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  In Peril the Daleks, he he causes a lot of death but in
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  this he was to go back further off, doesn't it?
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  Yes. He says like, yeah, no, I can't
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  even though he is. Batshit crazy.
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  I've gotta go back and I don't fancy exact line.
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  But pretty much though, but Ben isn't having any of it, so
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  that's good. Does he drag him away then been?
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  Yes. Yeah.
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  So this is our of talking to the people in the power stations who
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  are saying that one of the station's isn't isn't operating.
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  The workers of deserted are the seaweed for at least an hour
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  looking for food. Why Food Supplies have arrived.
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  And also word he's getting round that there isn't any food.
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  So people have panicky, both sides but they're they're under
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  the water. There's a lot of fish down
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  there. Yeah.
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  But they're, you know, they're in a sort of weird air pocket
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  thing, aren't they? So I don't know how they, I
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  don't know how it works. I don't have any idea.
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  I mean there's a lift because that's how the doctrine I got
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  down so they could have just got a few takeaways and stuff, you
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  know, and maybe Donald put it in the lift for 500.
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  So he's the doctor and been about to try and sneak into the
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  power station and another delightful moment.
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  Well, this is yeah, I love the way they get the password
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  offering. Are we gonna get past?
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  Ye walked past him? What in those trousers?
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  Do you think some of this is that lived I wouldn't be
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  surprised at this. Feels like Michael craze getting
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  revenge for the marketplace, doesn't it?
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  Yeah. Although possibly not, I don't
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  know but but I love the way that been improvises anyway.
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  You know? Oh well it's alright.
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  You giving me the old chat? I know nothing about passwords.
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  I've been chasing this book all day.
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  That's quite a strong word, it for Doctor Who but it's good
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  because Ben, he's a real character.
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  He's a real person from the first moment he appears in the
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  walk-in the war machine. He always gets like, you know,
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  my old mucker and things like. Yeah, but he's, but he's a full
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  Ibiza fully rounded person from the first time you see it.
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  I think Ben is brilliant in the war games.
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  I'm not sure he's you Utilized that well again you know know
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  and like you said with with bringing Jamie and as well
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  there's kind of the imbalance between the two.
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  It's difficult with the two characters but but yeah it
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  wouldn't I mean the way he reacts to the machine in the
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  shed fat is absolute active naked terror, isn't it?
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  Yeah and there's this big cold ball thing.
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  The big thumb po more than everybody's going.
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  Yeah. But because of his reaction to
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  it what we said to me is about the performance that takes it
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  from absurd. Too scary.
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  Yeah. When they're bees working.
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  Somebody. What about in the macro Terror
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  when he goes bad and he is really quite menacing?
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  Yeah, cheering Polly. The end of episode 2, it's kind
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  of torn between helping her because he loves her yes obeying
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  his instructions. It's a great performers, it may
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  yeah. It is, why see them, right?
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  He's came. And you know, I've heard the
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  neck Anika will say, you know what?
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  A shame because he was a genuinely charismatic actor, who
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  just didn't get the work. He deserved.
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  Yeah. The oars and he's brilliant.
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  Also it for this, this sort of time, I know it was the time of
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  60s and things were happening elsewhere, but to have an actor
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  in a major. What Bailey major television
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  show on the BBC, whose accent wasn't RP?
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  Yeah. Well, they wouldn't let do do a
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  day. She started off with a Manx
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  accent and then suddenly went RP within one story.
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  Yeah. I'm gonna have to say this.
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  All right. So please forgive me but better
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  and Jamie in this story and in this episode in particular, in
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  these wet suits, I mean, this is the holiest episode of swear to
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  God, they look absolutely beautiful.
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  I'm going to lower the tone too much but gosh, they are
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  attractive man. They are they really are.
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  Yeah, I mean and I canno droning.
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  It says, on the screen low droning, droning increases, It
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  if it was a very harsh light on them there in that cave.
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  Oh this is this is the nuclear powers that the this the wall is
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  now glowing with radiation. I like this, where he/she says
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  that and he goes, what's that? As she goes?
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  So well with a bit difficult to explain.
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  Yes, how the hell would you explain radiation?
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  You wouldn't do it. When it was melting the wall in
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  front of you. Would you you just concentrate
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  on getting away and now the water is starting to come in you
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  know food. Through your wonderful
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  explanations of the plot. I'm now seeing there is a
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  logical through line with this story as weird as it is.
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  You know the the actions have consequences which lead us to
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  this conclusion I just thought it was a lot of random stuff
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  going on in Flash. Always still is but I mean I'm
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  not saying it's you know crafted or art the underwater Menace but
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  maybe there was a touch of thought put into it I think so.
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  Yeah. So I think era would have been
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  quite nice companion. She would wouldn't she?
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  Yeah but that I think the same of the handmaiden in the time
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  monster as well. The aunt the one that Joe hangs
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  out with in the time monster Yeah.
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  Coming through the mouth. Yes, and the on.
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  Yeah. And is that literally, is that
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  it's a that water pouring in the whole Temple going over, isn't
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  it? Yeah, the statues the, the giant
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  head is now on its side and is collapsed.
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  That's a bit spectacle for Doctor Who it is.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  That my job. I think we're kind of moving in,
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  we're moving away from the sort of weirdness of the heart and
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  we're into that sort of, right. We're gonna have a few good set
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  pieces in trout and Zira, hmm? Because like in moon base, you
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  got the sidemen trajan over the moon, you know?
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  And that's pretty sweet. Well in the moon base itself as
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  well with what would be the inner rooms and the hospital
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  room and that you get, that feels again, that feels like an
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  actual physical space, doesn't it?
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  Yeah. Absolutely.
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  And then they very realize, don't they?
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  If we actually have a contained setting, we can spend a bit of
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  money on that setting. Yeah.
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  And up the tension as well because if it's a contain
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  setting, then it's claustrophobic.
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  So whereas this is a bit of an anomaly because it is
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  technically a contain setting. Oh well it is quite vast.
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  Isn't it for ya? Oh sort of culture and local or
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  geography and Yeah. Oh this is where Polly gets a
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  bit whimpering she does, she's worn out.
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  Yeah, it's a bit of a shiny. And you know what, in macro
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  Terror as well. I know she's being menaced by
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  enormous crabs coming out of the dog.
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  I can't really comment because I've never happen to me.
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  Is I don't know how I'd react. Nobody's.
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  It's sort of. It happens to her a few times in
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  this. It's like, oh, I need to sit
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  down. Oh, I'm tired.
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  Oh, I did. And it she's the only character
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  that that happens to do. You know what, Nyjah Robinson
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  writes in the book? No, I'm gonna people deserve the
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  full Wonder water minutes experience with this commentary.
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  He actually so Jamie does slap her org and the line written
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  Nigel opposite. There that shut her up.
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  That's actual line in the book, lovely.
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  Yeah, it's a bit. Troubling the few lines like
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  that in Niger orbison's books. So now the house is Devastated.
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  He's let down his people. Yes.
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  And there's some of them. Have some of them have managed
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  to get out, but they are leaving out.
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  I think they're going to close off one of the the good closing
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  off the exit so the water doesn't get through but they are
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  leaving One open just in case there's some last few people and
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  the high priest has gone back to the temple whilst I think this
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  is well realized like we said in episode three because there's
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  been so much comedy and really listen is it?
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  Kind of hard but now they're all going.
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  Oh, you know, we're all gonna die and and it's like, well, I
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  don't know if I buy it. Yeah.
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  Yeah. But then then it's easy.
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  It's like, it's the payoff for the Jeopardy that he set up by
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  saying he's going to blow up the world.
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  Yeah. And like you said it would be
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  unsatisfying if that didn't didn't have some Joanna.
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  Loved, you know, Windsor of goes on to the war if the octopus
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  came along and eats him. My little pale that it gets
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  stung by his pet fish. Yeah.
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  They're like right. We're getting there now.
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  Yes, so these are the doctors now going to tell the scientists
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  that the the world is going to explode, which somehow they
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  haven't noticed, so far. Let's be devoted to you if
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  they're gonna blow him off themselves to Pieces.
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  Oh, how I got to break. Oh, I seem to shake and some of
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  them. It's great, isn't it?
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  Yeah. Oh my God, But how can they not
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  know, then once up? Yeah, that's weird, isn't it?
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  You are looking beeping. I know I know you hear about
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  some scientists during the second world war didn't realize,
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  they were created weapons of mass destruction and things like
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  this. You know, we always thought we
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  were just doing some tests but I do know the destruction of the
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  world. You think you don't have a baby
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  clued into? I mean he had a diagram on the
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  wall and it's okay. Yeah, actions with a.
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  Yeah, the no circumstances. Look at that wall.
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  Don't press that button. Oh my God, this is so great.
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  So now so knows their office trapped been and the doctor out
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  of the control part of the country.
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  The laboratory for his hubris is so bad.
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  He's trapped himself in. Yes, exactly.
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  But he doesn't care. He just wants to And of course
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  there's a plunger that he's going to press to make the
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  explosion happened. Because of course, there is no
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  and they go on about the big red button in new.
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  Yeah, I think is agonizing in that offering this.
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  He, of course, he's got a plunger.
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  Yes. And, you know, he's gonna laugh
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  maniacally as he pulls it. Absolutely was Jamie doing up
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  against that wall, he's looking for, he felt the air moves.
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  So he's following there was a draft Which would suggest that
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  there was through this, just a confusion of bodies and it is
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  rumbling and grumpy the imagination.
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  Yes, it looks like that. The Jamie's Mage to engineer a
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  small rock fall so they can get out to the other side which is
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  when the air was coming in. It's our thought the doctors
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  trying to turn the light off so he can't see the plunger.
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  Yes, he is. I mean, this is all a bit comic
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  again now, isn't it? And then, those are options on
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  the emergency lights. Dalton's law for it.
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  Like, he's smiling doctor. You are a comedian.
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  I mean, we've lost a fair bit as lines in this Dear.
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  Oh, the guys, the guys going up. Hang on the gate doesn't go up,
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  just hit it. So I think, I think the gate
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  went up and he went through to turn on the emergency lights.
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  Okay, we can't see any of it though.
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  Okay, leave him. But now the gate is come down
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  again and the doctor is tractors are off away from his blood away
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  from the plunger which would be bad.
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  See on the screen. Now plunger is both enormous.
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  And phallic, I hate the clothes. Look it reaching for it.
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  You can't do this to me and the approaching water is getting
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  louder as well. So I think this him saying, you
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  know, I can't leave him to die. That's probably his most dr.
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  Ish moment today yeah. Yeah, and I think it also is
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  that the doctor this doctor or some of the doctors are.
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  Not because it's it's like he's killed him directly, isn't it?
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  Yeah, yes, he's leaving him but he's leaving him in the
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  knowledge that he will drown, and, and he trapped him in there
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  and he trapped him in there. So it's directly, his
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  responsibilities. That that's going to happen.
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  That is a bit different from like sending a load of Cybermen,
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  floating up into space, isn't it awesome?
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  Yeah. And I was watching the doctoring
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  how thankful they put the footage in here.
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  But yeah like we say it you see cereth is holding onto the bars
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  and is right underneath that water.
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  And you know as Mary Whitehouse might have said, you know, the
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  areas, you know, in the mind of the child for a whole week.
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  Zara yet drowning. Yes, but he's the Baddie.
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  So that make it right? No.
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  But it would if you were a kid. Yeah, she could.
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  It's our bloodthirsty and I do, yeah, I want the wolf to gobble
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  up, Grandma. What's that part?
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  It's, it's just bobbing about in the water showing that the place
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  is flooded, okay? Oh, I have no idea what that is.
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  Like a fish? That fish mask?
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  I don't know where place. It's the seventh map.
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  Yeah. It's showing the destruction of
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  the city. Yeah, there's something about
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  this though, that I find a little disturbing and that is
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  the prolonged death. A lot of deaths in Doctor Who
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  are quick. Yeah.
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  Whereas he is struggling to escape and I'm sure he's
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  probably going and having it up terribly.
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  Yeah. And that water is rising
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  Evermore. It's yeah, that's that's creepy.
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  I think. Yeah, it is.
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  He's a doctor who cliche their companions.
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  Think the doctor is dead. Yes, they've made it to the so
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  Polly and Jamie and made it to the surface.
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  And I can't help but notice Jamie's looking more foxier in
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  every Kelly's. Now, this is a particular
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  problem. With Sarah Jane, you know, she
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  thinks the doctors dead in every story at some point.
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  Hmm. She was about in Davis this
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  time, was it? I think Tegan and lesser ever
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  went through? No, not really.
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  But then they were more in Peril than the doctor walks.
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  Weren't they strip more than Undead when they fought it
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  generated. Yes.
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  Instead, he just had a load of spaghetti bolognese on his head.
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  This is true. That's a nice shot there that
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  the same I think that the come creeping out.
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  Oh, I don't. We've got, he's still not dead
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  yet. Know exactly the waters just
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  getting higher. But what's happening is that
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  the, the mechanisms the machines are giving up, so the
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  Laboratories flooded and now our and fouls and Damon think that
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  he's think the doctor is dead. When actually he's got away, you
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  know, there's a story about the director Julia Smyth we have
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  really thought was bad. Shouldn't.
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  But that's because there isn't really a lot of information
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  about her, but Annika will says, in the Smugglers, she really had
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  respect for us to direct it because they were out at Sea.
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  She was seasick and she was vomiting over the side of the
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  boat wiping her mouth and going, right?
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  Let's get the shot. Yeah.
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  Yeah. She sounds a bit like Patty
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  Russell. I think I think.
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  Yeah. Our director back in the 60s.
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  You had to have forgive me, some nozzles, you know, you know you
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  absolutely did. Yeah.
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  Yeah I remember I think it was Patty.
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  What been party. Russell said about Verity
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  Lambert about how sort of the older gentleman would sort of
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  try and metaphorically take her by the hand and show her how
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  things worked. And you got there very strong
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  impression that they didn't do that choice.
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  Yeah, good great reunited, Verity Lambert.
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  She was a really striking woman. But they said, as well, they're
• 23:19
  one of the production team said that he loved working with Julia
• 23:22
  Smyth because even though she knew this was a bit of a turd,
• 23:26
  this script that she committed to it and she made decisions.
• 23:31
  And she stuck to them. Yeah, she wasn't a wishy-washy
• 23:34
  director. She was.
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  This is what we're gonna do. We're gonna make it work.
• 23:39
  Yeah, well, that's it and they, if people if the director is
• 23:42
  committed to it, then the cast and the cold store as well, then
• 23:45
  it sort of does. You know, I'd say I'd say you a
• 23:48
  mirror talking about it, 50 years later.
• 23:50
  So, I think she did such a bad job.
• 23:52
  You know? Oh, hugs everybody to reunited
• 23:57
  did Ben and Polly end up together.
• 23:59
  Yes, I think so. Yeah, I think so too.
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  I'm not sure that Russell T Davies is idea of them, having
• 24:08
  exactly was I don't necessarily see that in their characters as
• 24:14
  they are in this. But yeah, I'm sure they ended
• 24:16
  up. Together.
• 24:17
  Yeah me too. I think I think Paulie and been
• 24:20
  Ian and Barbara. Oh yeah both of those are the
• 24:23
  only ones so yeah. I mean you'd have to wouldn't
• 24:27
  you could who else would you talk to see?
• 24:30
  I've got a question for you about the the people of
• 24:33
  Atlantis. Hmm.
• 24:35
  All we've met quite a few of them and it's gone under the
• 24:37
  water. Now, we don't see what occurs
• 24:39
  with any of them. No.
• 24:42
  But we saw the phallus and Damon and or and they were saying that
• 24:48
  there was enough of the the lower levels of the city were
• 24:51
  flooded but there was enough left them to live in.
• 24:55
  Oh I miss that. So they'd rebuild, but I like I
• 24:59
  like this bit with Jamie at the end there where he's really sort
• 25:01
  of he's starting to find his feet in the in the group and he
• 25:06
  been City smells of fish and Jamie says we're not so fresh
• 25:09
  yourself and Is lovely. Look at this telescope of them
• 25:12
  all laughing around. Yeah, just for that.
• 25:15
  I'll show you that because they saying, you can't control the
• 25:17
  Tardis. That's the sort of thing that
• 25:19
  you say to Heart. Know what are you going to rock,
• 25:21
  rump and then the Ducks is just to show, you will go to Mars and
• 25:25
  then take them to the Moon instead of that all there.
• 25:28
  They all are grouping the control and such a fun line up.
• 25:34
  Is there. I mean I think I think we've
• 25:36
  kicked away from the educational, we've gone straight
• 25:38
  for these sort of entertainment jugular.
• 25:40
  Oh yeah. Yeah.
• 25:42
  Oh we missed also one of the bits in the power station which
• 25:44
  is one of my favorite bits with him and been as well is when,
• 25:47
  when Ben says, do you know what you're doing?
• 25:51
  And he says, what a question. Of course I don't but there's no
• 25:54
  harm in trying. This guy isn't in fact bends at
• 25:59
  the light, your right brain, is that the Liars story?
• 26:03
  Yeah, it's a really fun time. So that's it.
• 26:07
  We're off to the moon base now looks like it.
• 26:10
  Yeah, quilted space suits. Absolutely Fishbowl helmets.
• 26:14
  Something nasty in the for food, cupboard, do you know what don't
• 26:18
  have that coffee? All right, I don't like coffee.
• 26:21
  I'm fine. Do you know, I'll get that for
• 26:24
  life without coffee, do you know?
• 26:26
  Well as it we've, we've reached the end of spectacular.
• 26:31
  Epic, I regret nothing. How about you?
• 26:35
  Not at all? But obviously, we have to go
• 26:39
  through this rigmarole. Now, of choosing free apiece,
• 26:42
  you and me, let's go back and forth.
• 26:45
  You first, then make reasons why people should give this another
• 26:50
  go. Okay.
• 26:52
  So the first reason is the relationship between the regular
• 26:59
  characters, so the the obvious affection that they have for
• 27:05
  each other and particularly how by the end of the episode, Jamie
• 27:11
  is sort of becoming fully one of the team because he's he's
• 27:16
  answering bends at the beginning bins, kind of teasing him and by
• 27:20
  the end of it's Jamie's answering back.
• 27:24
  Okay, then I am going to be really facetious.
• 27:28
  I might say that a lot of sites, you know, I, I'm going to off
• 27:32
  course, say Joseph first, as professors are off, who are
• 27:37
  believe may be the ultimate Doctor.
• 27:40
  Who villain a man of such spectacular.
• 27:43
  Understatement. No, he is hilariously.
• 27:49
  I mean, I I think it's a really Deliberately terrible
• 27:55
  performance though. Absolutely.
• 27:57
  Yeah, because we know he can, we know he can act.
• 28:00
  Yeah. Normally in inverted commas.
• 28:03
  So he knows knows he's in a B-movie and he's just going for
• 28:07
  it. And I love it and it's and turn
• 28:10
  like Graham crowden and some of the others Richard briers.
• 28:15
  Yeah. The story is all the Richer for
• 28:18
  his slices of ham. Absolutely.
• 28:24
  Yo, you said, okay, so I'm going to say the design because I
• 28:30
  think it's like, again, going back to one of my other
• 28:34
  favorites, the red planet. It's exactly somebody threw
• 28:38
  everything at it. They do the costumes, the
• 28:40
  design, the set designs, the, the way the laboratory looks
• 28:45
  like a laboratory, the sense of space you get in the temple that
• 28:48
  they really. It is a really strange.
• 28:52
  Change at story, but a lot of effort was made to think about
• 28:58
  what Atlantis look like and they ran with it.
• 29:05
  I am going to admire how a depth that is, this is that Dudley
• 29:13
  Simpson was at blowing a kazoo because irony is is best score
• 29:19
  by a long stretch of the imagination.
• 29:20
  But I do think a lot of his Scores in the 70s of
• 29:27
  interchangeable and this score is not.
• 29:30
  It is utterly unique and over-the-top and wacko like the
• 29:35
  rest of the story and I really admire it when when the musician
• 29:39
  a bit like Caribe lightening death of the day, it seems like
• 29:42
  they do something a bit weird and a bit different.
• 29:44
  I really admire that so because though blowing thumbs up
• 29:50
  absolutely well and also it's like somebody says Did you
• 29:52
  you've got to write Temple music for Atlantis brief?
• 29:58
  Yeah. Well, what's your third that?
• 30:02
  Oh um, Hmm. Yeah, I think the, the sort of
• 30:19
  the, the smaller sort of subsidiary characters as well
• 30:23
  are very well drawn for something, which is so utterly
• 30:26
  crackers. The fact that you've got not not
• 30:30
  fouls, particularly because that's still.
• 30:32
  I think an old performance, my opinion obviously, but our and
• 30:39
  the I like John Moe and recognizable sort of people and
• 30:47
  so it gives it does sort of give the story a bit more body in a
• 30:51
  bit more support. That's a goodie.
• 30:54
  And I'm just going to single out Patrick troughton because I
• 30:58
  think this is where he found his feet and we have Joseph first to
• 31:03
  thank for that as we've said, because he's finally met his
• 31:07
  match and an underplayed doctor played by Patrick troughton,
• 31:15
  it's just magic and he's still funny like you listed on the
• 31:19
  lines where he's hilarious, but he's been given some pretty
• 31:27
  unsayable things in where he's sucking up to Zaroff.
• 31:32
  And when he's talking about, you know, you people didn't know you
• 31:34
  were blowing up the world nor and he sells the hell out of it.
• 31:38
  Oh yeah, do it. To his Commendation that he
• 31:45
  thought the script was a polling and he committed to it. 100%.
• 31:49
  Anyway. So yeah Bravo I say definitely
• 31:54
  and Lucy. Yes.
• 31:57
  Where are we going next? Don't know.
• 32:01
  We haven't determined that have way.
• 32:04
  Do you have any particular desires?
• 32:10
  Our journey. I refuse to let our journey end.
• 32:14
  Michael, could you use this? This, this was immediately came
• 32:19
  to mind. Did you ever have any other or
• 32:23
  even new series ones where you're like, oh, I'd love to Nat
• 32:27
  Iran about that one. I can't think about sorry.
• 32:33
  My mind's just gone. Completely like, all right, I
• 32:36
  can feel the wheels turning. That's more than I can weights.
• 32:42
  Like, yes it is late week Terminus off mic.
• 32:48
  Yeah. That'll probably be a good idea.
• 32:50
  Otherwise we might just stay as they are.
• 32:52
  Yes. Hopefully, if I think of a
• 32:54
  story. All right.
• 32:56
  Well it just leader is say, thank you very, very much for
• 33:01
  MBA. Hang on this inside engine.
• 33:06
  It was wonderful fun as it always is with you.
• 33:09
  So, thank you very much for your time.
• 33:13
  Bosch ask cut it there.