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Track Cuss the Galaxy's Most Unpredictable Star Trick podcast. Now We're here. That
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was perfect right at the end of the yeah boom. Yeah, only only
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took us years to get there. Yeah, I'm on so much caffeine right
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now. Yeah, I'm there as well. I had I had a late
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night so uh and I had to do the grocery pick up early this morning
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because I usually do it, uh, you know, at eight, and
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now I had to do it at seven in order to do this show early
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so you could go watch wrestling. That's right, welcome. Was that what
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we're here for? Yeah, that's why. Look, I need to know
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come on or Adam cool baby. The things we do for Little Oho,
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I tell you, I mean the things I do without knowing little show.
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Yeah, exactly exactly. So is this a pay per view or you're actually
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going to know this is a pay per view? They're they're coming live from
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the UK, So that's why the hours are so different. Okay, So
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it is something that you could have VRT and time shifts. It's got it.
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That's what are you talking about? How can I not see it live?
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It's a live event, Yeah, that's right, live, live,
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scripted event. Got it, It's right. You two just keep this in
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mind, starting like in two weeks when there's football that starts at noon on
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Sundays, and what is this football that's also scripted sporting, isn't it?
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No? Are you sure about that? It's last year they had the script
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out, neverthing that. How can there be a script? There's a writer
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strike. This just proves it. Yeah, like they see. Man,
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I didn't realize I had a stack of ship you could see in the camera
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over here. Dang, yeah, what is all that? The extra shredded
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pile? Do you hear yourself? I'm in a van with a car seat
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over my right shoulder, and care that there's a there's a stack of magazines
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behind you. Well I had to know that because like tomorrow, the treck
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Cast treck Cast letters come down and the Techni water jet letters go up.
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So I better not have that there for when I'm doing a sales call.
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You know, in some way Van of White changing well speak speaking of Van
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of White, we gotta get bouterers to build. You like some letters that
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you could flip around, like you just turn around and you flip them around
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and it's the other podcast. Well, what I need to do, actually
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is just get a and I've I've told myself this lots, and I've got
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a story to tell today too. By the way, I think our listeners
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are gonna really love about some I love I love chats. So yeah,
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it is story time. It's gonna be fantastic. You guys are gonna like
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my man card's gonna be stolen and everything. But no, so with the
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yeah, exactly right, it's no. I want to get like a piece
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I hear about exactly yeah in my in my fruit fruit and it's not that
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it's the cappuccino shit, So yeah, anyway, No, I want to
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get like a piece of clear plexiglass thin, just clear. And I want
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to mount those letters to it so that I can just take the whole thing
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down and put the other one up instead of doing each individual letter. And
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I just haven't gotten around to it yet. It's it's so easy just to
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move the letters. So you're gonna use transparent aluminum, which is a real
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thing. It's amazing, it's amazing. We and and I had this idea
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the of the day on one of my walks with the dog. We and
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I want to do this. I want to do an episode. Don't don't
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let him kid you. Oh yeah, yeah, these dogs walking on me.
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The dog's walking me, yes, and so even does the dog talk
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to you dad. It's well, that's why my wife bought me this watch.
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It's so she could just you know, shame me with the rings not
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being filled every day. So so no, I want to do it towards
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the end of the year. I want to do an episode, and I
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want to I'm gonna do the research. I'm actually going to research this and
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start working on like now ahead of time before the show. I know,
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I know I'll probably do it. Yeah, but no, No, I
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want to do an episode about Trek is real and talk about how it's exactly
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about how all the things that that that even even in t OS and especially
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in T and G and moving forward, those things that they were using or
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talking about and how they communicate all those things are slowly becoming real. Not
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slowly, they have been for a while in some cases. So, but
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there's even more things there too than most people realize in terms of just what
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you know, what's actually real. So anyway, I want to get Dan
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Saves the Dogs. Yeah, right, But anyway, I love to do
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that kind of show. You know, I love the fact that we're we
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kind of became a review show. We review all the new track, right,
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I do love that a little bit of everything. Yeah, yeah,
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But I mean I'd like to kind of try to figure out ways to get
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back into our roots of of of just the evergreen episodes where we talk about
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specific We're gonna have plenty of time to go back to our risks exactly that.
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I'm really looking forward to that. So you hear that everyone chat is
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in favor of the writers strike, right, No, No, he's glad
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that they're losing their homes. And I'm gonna I'm gonna cut. I'm gonna
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cut the rope and go to the other side of the line and be what
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do they call that when you're a union worker who jumps the line? What
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do they call that? Scab? I'm gonna be a scab. Yes,
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I'm gonna start writing for uh for these I'm here to cash in wherever there's
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profits, all right, Never forget I'm a FERENGI. Okay, that's right,
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So Chatty, I just changed my name. I should change my name,
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all right. We'll speaking of which, maybe we should get to the
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news because we got okay sorts of fun Star Trek not what we do here
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uh from IGN. CBS will be airing Strange New Worlds as part of Start
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Day twenty three, So officially, on September eight will be Star Trek Day,
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and on that day they will air two episodes of Strange New Worlds on
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network television. On network television. I feel like I feel like someone on
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this show predicted this like fourteen days ago. I absolutely did. I'm being
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facetious, yes, And I think they're testing the waters and I think if
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it does well, we are going to you know, with the way streaming
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is going. I think I think they're going back to network television. I
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really do. Everybody listening to this episode needs to follow Dan Lombardo of Earth's
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advice and watch those episodes live. Pump those numbers up, go turn on
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three TVs with those U U and TV antennas, right yeah, and jump
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it up. And if you have and if you have your own podcast,
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make sure that you reschedule it so that you can go watch this scripted show
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as it's live. That's right. Always reschedule your podcast or TV. It's
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the only way to go. I totally understand that. Screw the other two
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guys. You just make us do things earlier in the day. Indeed,
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indeed, so they're gonna add the first two episodes for season one, so
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that's cool. Also that what will be happening is into a few cities around
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the around the world, including Vancouver, Calgary, and London as far some
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US cities as well, like Dallas, Denver, Phoenix. Didn't see New
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York on the list, which was interesting. Yeah, I'm sure Duval is
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punching walls. I'm sure apart. Yeah, sure, he's screaming at the
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sky. He's going on the check Gass, correspondent for New York City.
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The hell Yeah, they're gonna have some screenings of some lower deck episodes.
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They say they're gonna pick out four episodes and screen them. So but but
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Dan, he's not supposed to be working right now. Oh, that's a
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that's a script. He has to write that script and do it. So
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he can't. He can't be doing that. He'd be he'd be going against
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he's in the news. That's a scripted series. Dude, news is different,
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even though he's even though he's an independent correspondent. Okay, you know
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if you had, if you had been on the podcast this season, you
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would know that we discussed right maybe maybe yeah maybe yeah yeah, check check
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with Scott, he'll clear it up for you. That's right. Okay,
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okay, guess that was Dan. Anyways, so they're also gonna have on
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Star Trek dot Com Slash Day, they're going to be airing a special program
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kind of celebrating Star Trek supposed to be hosted by by Captain Ransom himself,
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Jerry O'Connell. And that's interesting because that does go against unions. So they
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must have recorded this a long time ago. Yeah yeah, so okay,
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but yeah, so all that's going on, so that's pretty neat. And
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then our next new story comes to us from Star Trek Movie dot Com.
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I don't know if you guys saw this, but earlier this week somebody flew
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a banner over the Netflix headquarters and it said save Star Trek Prodigy. So
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that's cool. I guess there was made a real money to have that done.
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Well. The real story is even crazier because I found yeah, Florida,
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no no, no, this is in LA. There's a start trick
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fans in LA who went and did a protest out in front of Netflix to
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save Start Trick Prodigy. All dozen of them showed up. It looks like
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from the pictures there were tens. There were tens. There were tens of
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them there, yes, trying to get Start Trick Prodigy on Netflix. And
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apparently the way they funded this airplane with the banner, they needed about fifteen
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hundred dollars to do this. They started to go fund me and raise the
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money and once they had the money to the skies it went. So that's
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how it happened. Where did they advertise for this if they just get their
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money from before in California or what you know? The go fund me was
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from everywhere. It sounds like they want on a few different Facebook groups and
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Redding groups and that's how they raised the money. So it's amazing to get
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that much traction and not talk to us, yeah or anyone really. Yeah.
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And then our last news story comes to us from CBR and there is
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some controversy of foots right now between Paramount and the Star Trek fan community up
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Currently, there is a Star Trek fan film called Wolf three five nine and
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Paramount has did a big DMCA copyright strike against it knocking down the fan film
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from social media and CBR basically is taking the position that this is a really
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bad idea for Paramount to be doing that, because it's not like their shows
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are really that popular and the fan community has not grown that so to go,
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hold on a second, guess I'll be right back, keep going.
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Okay, So to go against your fans like that is probably a bad move.
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I think they need to Paramount. I think they need to pick a
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course heading on this issue and stick to it. You know, what was
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it six years ago or whatever I thought this was. This was put to
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bed with the Accident Acts and are you know, and they made all these
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rules and then they just didn't enforce them at all. It was like,
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we made these rules to finish this lawsuit up. And then as soon as
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the lawsuit was concluded, you know, there was this lull and then and
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be Dan, you're cutting out. I don't know, Dan is cutting out
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really bad all of a sudden. Come on, come on, yeh,
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can you hear me? Now? I can hear you? Okay, Okay,
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So they made and then they made all these rules during the Acts and
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our thing to settle that lawsuit, and then as soon as the lawsuit was
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put to bed, there was a lull where you know, these fan films
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weren't really being done, and then slowly but surely they went back to doing
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what they had been doing, and they didn't take any action on it.
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So of course we're right back where we were. Yeah, so I don't
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know absolutely. So this Wolves three five nine thing, I mean, have
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is it a real fan film or are they doing the same thing AX and
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I was doing where they're selling you know, they're selling bottles of wine that
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say AX and are on them and T shirts and yeah, so from what
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I can know, it's just a fan film. But I haven't been able
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to find too much about it now that the fan film has been removed,
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so I'm sure we'll find out more in the coming days. But I mean,
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if they were running, if they're running ads on it, you know
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these are all there. Yeah, these are all revenue generating things, right,
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And not to take a dump on fan films, but it used to
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be you know, seven buddies got together with a with a video camera and
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they made a film and that was it. Right. If if they needed
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any funds, they paid out a pocket you know, if you're doing.
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If you're doing crowdfunding, somebody is getting paid. Somebody is getting that money
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that you're raising, right, and Paramount is not getting get cut of it,
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right, And I kind of agree with them. Yeah, No,
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I get that. I get that, And you're right there should be no
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revenue genitor from it, and then that's fine, that that should be completely
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fine. I mean, they just did that Spider Man lotus and you didn't
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see Marvel freaking out about that. Yeah, and that was the same thing
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fan film that people just did. A lot of people too nowadays, use
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their fan films as they're real to get into Hollywood, likes what I'm capable
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of. Yeah, so well it's not direct revenue. It is kind of
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in a way because they're trying to increase their visibility. So yeah, I
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mean I don't have anything against that, because if you're in a band,
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If you're in a band and you send a demo tape to a record company
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and the demo tape is you and your band doing Enter Sandman by Metallica in
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your garage, there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, even though that's copyrighted
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material. You know, you're not directly generating any revenue from it, right,
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you're just showing up and yes, and I think what you're talking about
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where you do your fan film and then use it as as a resume builder.
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That's fine until you start paying people to be in it. Even if
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you just pay the actors to be in it, those actors are getting paid.
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That money is coming from somewhere. If it doesn't come from your own
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pocket, it comes from crowdfunding or whatever. Somebody is making money off that
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IP without giving the IP owner. They're cut and that's wrong no matter how
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you slice it. Right, right, that's true. Yet it back?
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Hey, I'm back, right, Okay, there's a there's a there's a
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there's a something stuck in the wall in my daughter's room. So there's a
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something. I don't know what. We don't know. I don't know what.
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Is it a spooky Is it a ghost? It's kind of sounds really,
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but you don't know what it is. It's a it's a something.
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Well, yeah, I don't know what it is. I can guess maybe
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it's a bird, but I have no idea. It's okay, So here's
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what we're gonna do. I'm sorry. It's a drone. It's a government
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drone. All right, so we don't know what it is. So what
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we want we want you guys to guess what it is. So oh yeah,
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call the voicemail line at eight one six to eight seven zero four burned
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down the house eight one six to eight seven zero four four eight, Give
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us a call, let us know what do you think is sin Chad's wall?
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And next week, next week we'll we'll give a listen to I don't
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know, Daniel, do you have any ideas you want to? You want
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to guess first sound some different things. I'm going to guess. I'm going
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to guess it's the other Chad, two of them. No, I guarantee
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you it's Scott coming for me. Yeah, I was gonna say it's Powders.
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He's waiting for the for the perfect moment to just bust up. More
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realistic A squirrel. Yeah, I think it's Uh. I think it's Vols.
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I think O'Brien didn't get the last one, and its self ceiling simbolt,
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and it's just it's that how it works, how it works. It
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makes a weird sound. And then I would love for on lower decks,
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uh, someone to reference to self ceiling stimbolts. I feel like they've done
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that already, have they I don't know? Yeah, yeah, let's go
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back and watch them all puts the lotion on its skin. Yeah, all
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right, Well let's get to the main topic. All right, sounds good,
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fun well now, all right, so our main topic more or less
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as a primer for season four of Lower Decks, because it's real. Yeah,
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that's about all right. I'm just gonna ask because yeah, I didn't
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know. We talked about this. I knew, but I didn't really prepare
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because I can do this fine top of my head. I prepared some things
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I've called much good. Somebody like it was like, I know, damn
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well, you two aren't gonna do a freaking things, so I'll I'll do
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it. Yeah exactly. Well he's I'm like, you're here, fine,
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I'll do it. He's got you are inevitable. He's got the WrestleMania later
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so no, no, no, it's all he's like, he's like,
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I can't I can't let the show. I can't, so I have to
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prepare something for it. That's right, keep you on track. So go
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ahead, Daniel, you got you got the reins, buddy. Okay.
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So last season, we ended with the big fight between the Texas Class in
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California Class. We found out that buen Amigo was not a buen amigo but
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a bad amigo. And we did also get the cliffhanger that Badgie is lurking
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and returning at some point, which could mean nothing for this season exactly.
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I also, Rutherford has kind of changed, He's got all his memories backs.
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Yeah. Yeah, that was a big one. That was a big
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one. So there's a lot to start with season four, So I guess
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we could start with our predictions we do well yeah, okay, still for
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the predictions, but refresh my memory though. On the the fire, they
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had to basically rip apart the skin of the of the ship, didn't they
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Yes, because they were doing a race and then there was something where they
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needed to save a group of people and the way to do that was by
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removing their hole. It was something like that. I didn't watch the show
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again. I was too busy. They had something because with my brother this
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week. Yeah yeah. So my first prediction then, based on that,
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is that we are going to see the introduction of the California Class a refit
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because because if they're putting if they're putting a new hull on the ship.
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Yeah, I don't think. I don't think they're just gonna put the old
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hull back on. I think they're gonna make some some improvements. Look at
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this, ladies and gentlemen. He's got a breakdown start and everything. I'm
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goodness, I just recopied them when we did for Strange New Worlds. Okay,
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so Dan's got to California class refit Chad likely or unlikely for that?
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Uh. I hadn't really thought about that, but I guess I'll say that's
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likely because just because of mcmanahan, we know what his background is, we
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know how much of a fan of TNG and DS nine he is, and
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how much he squeezes in references to those shows. I mean, it's everywhere
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right, and I just don't in t and I just don't see how he
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would pass up this opportunity to do that. That's a great point. I
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think it's a perfect opportunity. I just can't see how he passed that up.
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How would he miss that? He's too good at those details to say.
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And this is an obvious one. The refits of the ships and all
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that's something that this is like a complete trope. It's done all the time,
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so I don't know how you I don't know how you would miss that.
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I said, I'm gonna go unlikely, just to be different. So
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cool, somebody's got to get it right, all right. So our first
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one or our next one is Boimler talking about Pike and Spock. This is
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one from Chad guessing Chad is likely on this one. Yep, yeah,
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I think likely. I think likely as well. Yeah, I think he's
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going to I don't. I don't see him skipping that. How do you
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not? Yeah, exactly. Rutherford will have a big character change this season.
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I don't think so, because I think we just saw his big character
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change. So I think they're gonna lay off of him for a little bit
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and maybe we'll focus on someone else, whether it's Tendy or okay, you
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know, one of the one of the background characters. Yeah, okay,
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yeah, I mean he really already did last season, right, So yeah,
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I see it's unlikely. Okay, so Chad also unlikely. I'm gonna
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go yeah, I don't know they've already changed him. You're right, so
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I'll go unlikely as well. So first two, it's all all the way
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around between us all. Yeah, next one, Badgie will return like full
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on, not the tease, but he he's back and he's causing habit mhm,
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and he will. Does that mean we'll see him throughout the season or
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just in one episode or does it matter one episode? Yeah, but more
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than but more than just a tease. It's gotta be a story, a
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story involving him. It is a badgy story. Yeah, I'll say likely,
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just because of where they left it, But I still kind of doubt
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it. I think so, I think, and I think we're gonna see
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a coalition of evil. AI I'm gonna go different because Okay, see I
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think I think Dan's onto something there. But I think they'll save that for
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the season finale. Yeah I could see that, but well maybe maybe the
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series finale. I mean not this season. I just mean like a series
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finale. So here's here's my here's my question. Yeah, will they somehow
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reference chat GPT, Well, they somehow reference that, you know, that's
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that's where it all started or something like that. That would be funny if
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they do that. Like Dad, She's great great great great great great grandfather
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was a chat GPT. That would be like that would be funny. Speaking
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of Evil AI, Peanut Hamper isn't in this season at all? Likely or
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like unlikely, not even at tease. No Peanut Hamper at all likely.
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I'm gonna say unlikely, because she's gonna show up in this uh, this
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Legion of of Evil AI. They're like the Legion of Doom. They have
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a they have a base in the swamp and it's just a bunch of Evil
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AI sitting around a big table talking about how they hate biologics. I kind
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of like that. All right, so she's she's there. All right,
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we end the season without a cliffhanger, So no cliffhanger at the end likely
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or unlikely. They've had a cliffhanger every single year, haven't you know.
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That's what I'm saying. Are they going to switch it around? No,
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it's likely they'll do it again. That's now I'm gonna say no cliffhanger this
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year. Okay, because what season is this? This is season season four?
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Yeah, So I think with with the with the I think with the
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because animation you can do so much, you can change so much without having
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the actors present. I think because because of the strike, they're going to
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avoid having a two year cliffhanger. Okay, so you think they will go
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without a cliffhanger, no cliffhanger. Okay, all right, I'm gonna say
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that they will have a cliffhanger. So well, you'll be wrong. That's
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fine, that's fine. I don't need to win every time. We do
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this every time, every time. He doesn't need to win every time.
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Wow, back, we already started ahead of your wrestling thing. My good
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when we do this, I you know, I gotta admit. I don't
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go back and look at the chart. I take your word for it,
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Daniel. So I mean, did you really wins? Hey? I don't
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know. All on the show you can look at it. Yeah, I
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mean, honestly, of people that I would trust to kind of run that
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and do it right, I think I think out of the three of us,
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I would trust Daniel the most. Out of that, I don't trust
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my stop it right. I got and Doctor Tiana break up? Likely or
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unlikely? Oh, because that would be some really good comic relief if they
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were fighting and they're fighting in the background all the time. Yeah, No,
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it was that likely or not? I don't know, because they really
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don't put that relationship I say it's unlikely. I'd like to see it because
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I think it'd be funny, but I say it's unlikely. And here's why,
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because they really don't put that relationship like as a main thing. It's
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just something we know about and every once in a while we hear like a
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one liner to it, and that's that's it. And I think they're going
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to keep it that way because it's it's kind of a nice it's kind of
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a nice, little interesting, I don't know, the thing that's kind of
27:30
on the side. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I don't think they're
27:33
gonna break up. Okay, I you know, I'm gonna say likely,
27:38
because I do think it'll be funny. It would be funny. I agree,
27:41
it be very funny. So all right, So we got some fan
27:45
ones as well listeners who put in their two cents, so we'll go through.
27:49
Nice Felicia Hers was a cameo by the Strange New World's clos cast.
27:57
So I don't know what specific you means. Let's say more than two actors
28:02
show up on lower decks in some respect from Strange New Worlds. From Strange
28:07
New Worlds, Well, I think the way that'd be one for how she
28:11
worded it. But that's fine. I say it's unlikely. I don't think
28:15
that's gonna happen. Okay, I'd love for it to happen. I think
28:18
they'd be hilarious. Yeah, I would love for it, but I don't
28:21
see it happening. I don't see it happen. I could see them referencing
28:23
it, uh huh oh, yeah, for sure, I don't see them
28:27
showing up. Yeah, we're gonna see that poster again of number one.
28:33
I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure that's too good not to
28:37
use again. Yeah, all right, Corey from Instagram. We'll have a
28:41
Mirror Mirror Universe episode. You know, we haven't. We haven't had one
28:45
yet. We haven't, not in this series, not once, and we're
28:49
on what this is, season four? So season four? Yeah, yeah,
28:53
we're way overdue. So I would think that's, you know, pretty
28:59
likely because we're way over due. Yeah, they shouldn't put it that way.
29:03
They should. I'm gonna say unlikely. I think they've got their own
29:07
stuff going on right now. That maybe season five I could see, but
29:11
I think right now, not yet. Okay. Someone called human Decks,
29:15
also from Instagram. At least one temporal Cold War reference. Yes, okay,
29:23
so Dan's likely on this, Yes, I'm gonna say unlikely. Yeah,
29:30
I feel like we've already had it. I'm not sure if we have
29:34
or not. But they haven't really other than the portal thing, they haven't
29:41
touched time travel at all, m not once, I don't think. No,
29:47
they haven't other than the portal with the crossover episode, which actually happens
29:51
on Strange New Worlds and not on Lower Decks. They haven't touched time travel.
29:55
So I don't know if theyn't necessarily keep that up right, so they
30:00
are want to want to go into it if they haven't touched it at all.
30:03
But all the things that they have one off touched all over the place,
30:07
having skipped that makes me feel like they're skipped it on purpose. Either
30:11
they do, you don't want to do it, or they're saving it for
30:15
something. You know, what would be great if the if the opening scene
30:22
of this season of Lower Decks was Boimler and Mariner coming back through the portal
30:33
from the Strange New Worlds real life for a second, Yes, yep,
30:40
like you see Yeah, you see them in real life because you see them
30:45
as Boimler and Mariner are coming through the portal, but as soon as they
30:48
come through the portal, they're animated again. Yeah, that would be interesting,
30:55
that'd be great. Yeah, and then technically that would count as time
30:57
travel. So yeah, yeah, that's a good point. But that doesn't
31:02
reference that doesn't reference the Cold War. Yeah right, yeah, yeah,
31:04
temporal Cold War? Yeah. Uh. Tom from Instagram Jeffrey Combs guest stars.
31:11
He's one of the robots. So Dan, you're likely on that already,
31:15
yes, chadd Jaddington unlikely or likely. I'll say unlikely. I would
31:21
love to see him as voice over for anything. I don't care what you'd
31:26
be, the trash can, doesn't matter. I'd love to have him on.
31:30
But h I say unlikely, I'm gonna say likely, But I don't
31:34
think he'll be the robot. I think because we have seen in one of
31:38
the trailer clips, we've seen Ram and Leda. So if we're going back
31:44
to d sign at all, maybe a way Une, maybe are what's the
31:49
Frankie plays brunt? Brunt? Yeah? Maybe him m hm, so it
31:59
could be m hm okay, yeah. And then we have a Facebook user
32:07
a Sritos. What do you say Sritos bo Bingo. Yeah, so we'll
32:16
do that one. That'll be the last one. Did we get a Serritos
32:20
Bingo? Like, unlikely? I think that's unlikely. Okay, I don't
32:25
know what you mean. Explain they do enterprise Bingo on Strange New Worlds.
32:31
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. Hm hmm.
32:37
I'm gonna say likely because we're getting that new Vulcan character. She's coming
32:43
over to the to the Serritos. So I think you've got a good chance
32:46
to be like, oh, have you done Serritos Bingo? Maybe not actually
32:50
do it, but mention it. So yeah, okay, I don't I'll
33:00
say unlikely, Okay, but I don't really Okay, I'm not sure I
33:05
have an opinion either way on that yet. But yeah I don't. I'm
33:07
not like strong conviction on that. I'm just yeah, no, not at
33:10
all, not at all. So that that's the predictions will go back through
33:15
this after the end of the season. I'm gonna predict now Dan's gonna win.
33:21
I don't know why, So put that on the bottom. Make that
33:23
one more one more question. One prediction is Dan wins. Yes, uh
33:34
so I'm going likely on that unlikely because I have a two thirds chance,
33:42
I'm gonna I'm gonna break the universe and say it's unlikely that all win,
33:45
So one way or the other, I'm gonna be right, yeah, exactly
33:50
exactly what do you win? Because you're going from both sides. That's a
33:53
great way to look at it. Yeah, yeah, there you go.
34:00
All right, so that's all the predictions. We'll go back there to the
34:01
matter of the season finale. That's pretty good. Yeah, So we did
34:07
have that trailer where we saw a little bit and like I said, we're
34:10
gonna see Ramin and Lida, so that's exciting. And he's got the Grand
34:15
Negas stick, the what do they call that scepter? Decepter? Yeah,
34:21
nice, that'll be full. So maybe we'll see Brunt kissing his ass.
34:30
Maybe that's how we'll see That's kind of what I'm thinking. Jeffrey Combs.
34:35
Yeah, yeah, that's kind of what it. Well, we may not
34:38
even hear him, you just kind of see him. And yeah, yeah,
34:44
because they do that a lot too, like the Tom Paris plate.
34:47
Yeah yeah, yeah, Oh boy, this show is such a I mean,
34:59
it's just instant laughs. Honestly, every everyone I've watched, there's always
35:04
something that's funny. That's just makes you smiling. You think, and if
35:07
you go back and thinking about it, it just keeps making you smile,
35:09
kind of like uh, the Subspace Rhapsody from Strange New Worlds, which I'm
35:16
not ashamed to admit I have now watched four freaking times. Yeah, I
35:22
mean, I just I can't get those songs out of my head. Every
35:27
once in a while, it'll pop in one of them right now. Yeah,
35:32
stop, it was I'm telling you that one was stuck in my head.
35:37
Yeah, four days. About a week ago. Oh wow, I
35:42
was sorry to go watch talking. Yeah, I was talking to a co
35:45
worker about it and he was like, yeah, I don't know, and
35:49
I said, no, the way they did it it was, you know,
35:50
it was really good. They made it part of the story. And
35:53
I pulled it up on I pulled it up on YouTube and played it for
35:57
him. And then there was a week where it was just stuck in my
35:59
head. Mm hmm. Again. I don't want them to do it again.
36:05
It's a one time it's a one time thing. But that's what that's
36:07
what's gonna make that good. If for this one time thing, they knocked
36:13
it out of the park. Exactly, and that is the reason why they
36:16
can't do it again because it was done so well there's no way to duplicate.
36:22
It's not gonna happen. You're not going to duplicate that and do it
36:27
better. You're just not. You're just not. So don't eat, don't
36:30
don't do it. Just just don't. Maybe maybe years from now, like
36:35
whatever, but just not. Just don't. Don't do it. Man,
36:37
I watched it once and I'm okay with that. Yeah, but I mean
36:44
you watch wrestling, so we know you have no wow shots fired. We
36:51
are just completely piling on him, like you know, yeah, like it
36:58
was listening top. For those listening to the show, Chad just tapped his
37:01
elbow and dropped it on Man. I don't know what that movie is called.
37:10
I have no idea what that movie is called, but I just did
37:13
it. It's an elbow dropped from the top like mantre man Randy Savage.
37:15
Okay, there you go, Yeah, come on the bionic elbow. Even
37:23
for those for those listening, Daniel is eating a slim gym right now.
37:28
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, right's gonna grab He's
37:34
gonna snap you in half. Can you do the rest of the show entirely
37:39
in the man. Oh yeah, So I think Jeffrey Colms is gonna show
37:44
up and he's gonna be dadd evil AI and he's gonna read Cavoc under Federation.
37:51
Yeah. Yeah. Anyone gets in his way, he's gonna come into
38:00
Oh my god, I don't know if it's better doing the shows that it's
38:05
early. Now, look, you broke Jat. He's like red. I
38:10
can't Oh god, oh my god. Oh man, all right, good
38:22
grief. Before we get you guys, been watching a Soca Yes too,
38:30
I haven't watched any more than that because the third one came out. Oh
38:36
that's right, Okay, So I keep falling asleep. Oh it's like I
38:40
keep falling asleep, and I think part of the problem is I don't have
38:46
much of a connection to her. I didn't watch I didn't watch the Clone
38:50
Wars. I haven't watched any of those shows, Clone Wars, Rebels,
38:53
none of that. Yeah, I didn't watch Rebels. I didn't watch Clone
38:57
Wars. I tried to watch. Do you remember before before the like Pixar
39:01
style Clone Wars came out first, there was the two D animation, there
39:07
was the two D animation. I have those on DVD and I've tried to
39:09
watch them a few times and I and I couldn't get into them. The
39:15
move, I think there's a movie that that predates the the animated series.
39:24
A few of the episodes just put together. No, no, that was
39:28
a theatrical release, I thought. But I thought it was just a few
39:30
of the episodes put together, and they made it. I don't think.
39:35
I mean, I could be don't but I've watched most of that with my
39:38
son and I couldn't get into it. And because of that, I never
39:42
tried to watch the series, because you know, I didn't see the first
39:49
thing. So I mean, Ahsoka, My My. My exposure to Asoka
39:54
is the episodes of the Mandalorian that shots on so which is fine. Yeah,
40:01
I know, but I tried to watch this, and I just think
40:07
back to when you watched and Or. Yeah see and Or started off very
40:13
slow, yeah, and it just kept on this very slow build, very
40:19
slow build, very slow build, until it became one that's just a fantastic.
40:24
Yeah. That that whole series I'm gonna watch so good and I can't
40:29
wait until it comes out again, because especially where it left off, it
40:31
was like, oh my god, you know with what they were building,
40:36
right, They're literally building the Death Star, the Gun, the main array.
40:40
So so it was a fantastic season. And I feel like a Shoka
40:46
Asoka whatever. I don't know, Ahsoka, she's a soaking I feel like
40:52
it has the ability to be that good. Here's here's the problem when I
41:00
watch, When I watch Star Wars now New Star Wars, stuff in my
41:07
head. I always have to stop for a minute and say, hold on,
41:09
where does this take place in the timeline? I always have to remind
41:14
myself, where what am I watching here? Where does yep? And I
41:16
do the math and then I remember, so this happened a couple of times
41:20
while I was trying to watch Asoka. I remember, oh, this is
41:24
this is the same time as the Mandalorian roughly, so this is after Return
41:31
of the Jedi. And then I can't help. And then I can't help
41:36
but say to myself, why isn't this a story about Luke Skywalker. He
41:43
is supposed to be the last Jedi at this point, And I know she's
41:47
not a Jedi. She was a Jedi, so but she's not anymore.
41:51
She left the Order or whatever, so she's just a regular person with all
41:54
the powers and the weapons of a Jedi. I understand that, but then
42:00
he's not really the last Jedi if there are people running around like that,
42:04
and then this this guy and his his female, younger female padawan apprentice shows
42:15
up and it's like, oh, these are Jedi, and then no,
42:16
no, they're evil Jedi. But they're not Sith. They're just evil Jedi.
42:22
Yeah. I don't know. It's just okay, So I am not
42:28
a deep lower guy when it comes to Star Wars. Okay. However,
42:34
I will say this, I never bought watching and whether you like it or
42:38
not, how the second three episode movies were set up Hayden Christians and all
42:46
that stuff, the end of the Jedile I never I never bought that there
42:50
could just only be one Jedi left, especially after Return of the Jedi,
42:54
where it's just Luke. Because people have these abilities inherently and can kind of
43:00
teach themselves somewhat how to do some of those things. And if they happen
43:05
to come across somebody who knows how to create a lightsaber or has a lightsaber
43:08
or whatever, well there you go. It's not like every single person has
43:13
to be trained in a Jedi order and only to be able to know how
43:15
to wield a lightsaber, right, you can train yourself. It's a sort
43:19
fight so plus the force. Right. So with that said, I like
43:23
what they're doing in terms of there are other people out there with these abilities
43:28
who maybe don't know how to use them correctly but differently, but but you're
43:32
using them differently or have a skewed version of it. And in terms of
43:37
and so I think all that's fine. Now in terms of where Luke comes
43:42
in, I mean they already put him in and the man well I guess
43:49
it was. Was that the Mandalorian or was it? Yeah, that was
43:50
one of the major species, right, right, So he was in both,
43:55
right. I don't see any reason why they can't have him come back
43:59
in again as part of the storyline. Now he is trying to get that.
44:05
I get that. But that's that's the other that's my other issue is
44:07
that even if he comes in and they do Luke centric stories in this time
44:13
period, it doesn't matter because they've already ruined him in the sequel, in
44:19
the sequel trilogy. So even even when I saw him in uh, you
44:24
know, even when I saw him in the Mandalorian and saw him again in
44:28
Boba Fat. It was so great to see him, and it was so
44:31
great to see him in his prime. But at the same time, I
44:35
couldn't stop myself from thinking, you have none of this matters because because they
44:40
ruined him. M yeah, yeah. And I don't want to be one
44:47
of those Star Wars fans who say they should de canonize the the sequel trilogy
44:57
because because it's it sounds like such a pie in the sky idea that I
45:00
know they'll never do, but they really should, because it's garbage. It's
45:06
trash. It's absolutely trash, and no amount of reck conning in the world.
45:12
I know. The last season of Mandalorian, they were they were trying
45:16
to steer into the skid and kind of point things towards the sequel trilogy and
45:25
put some stuff in there to make it make better sense and make it work
45:31
better as a part of the whole story. Except that's you're just by doing
45:37
that, you are proving to us that it sucks, because you shouldn't have
45:43
to do that. And if it sucks, then treat it like a gang
45:47
green limb and chop it off and throw it away. Well, the problem
45:52
is they didn't have a game plan with that series at all. They just
45:55
kind of winged it, you know, and that's been the issue. Now
46:00
yeah, yeah, now that they're filling in the gaps behind that ron where
46:06
where, what are you gonna do with this? You're gonna obviously this guy
46:08
dies, like what's Yeah, it doesn't really be interesting into a movie.
46:15
Yeah, it's gonna be interesting, it's gonna be kind of cool, but
46:17
we're gonna see him die because he's not there in the future. He's gone.
46:22
No one even knows who he is. You've got a whole another last
46:23
order, so another evil and final order, another and another one and another
46:30
one, because it just keeps coming back like a bad rash. Well like
46:35
like h. Lucas said, it's like poetry. It rhymes JJ yeah yeah.
46:45
So all right, well let's get to feedback. We have people waiting,
46:49
so awesome. We don't want to keep people waiting. No we don't,
47:00
No, we don't. So we got chasms on the line, just
47:05
standing there waiting, So let's bring him on there he is. Yeah,
47:10
I'm sorry about that, you guys. Michael. I stayed up for three
47:15
am. Why then I laid there at eight thirty and I'm like, there's
47:21
a show on. I was like two more hours. Man, you're committed,
47:31
baby, I'm committed. I was out drinking last night and I'm still
47:36
here. How about you? Yeah? If I was drinking, yeah,
47:40
I wouldn't be here. I'd be asleep right now. Oh yeah. So
47:47
do you think some of these shows could get cut because of the writers strike?
47:52
Just curious. I really don't think the longer this goes, I don't
47:55
think we're going to see that store fleet Academy. Yeah, yeah, especially
48:00
all the future projects they announced, I think they're gonna start cutting because if
48:06
they're smart, they'll have listened to the massive amount of fan feedback about the
48:13
Academy over legacy, and they'll use the writer strike is the excuse to cut
48:21
Academy, and then once they can get rolling again, they'll put in They'll
48:25
put inc which m been like Prodigy, That's what Academy should have been.
48:32
I think this though. I think Academy will end up being the next Section
48:37
thirty one where we always hear about it but it never comes to fruition.
48:42
But Chad's favorite character might come back. No, he's part of it.
48:50
Don't forget. I'm part of it. What was his name asked or whatever?
48:54
The asked Tyler. Oh my god, he he's parted section thirty one.
49:00
Now, don't forget that's true. And they can't get a Georgeoe bat
49:06
because Michelle Yo's. Yeah, her schedule is just gonna keep piling up.
49:09
So you get her after that, Oscar, you're not gonna get hers unless
49:15
she was already under contract. Yeah, she was already under contract to do
49:22
well, they get the georget, you get the section thirty one. Maybe
49:25
they're supposedly gonna fil them and I have a film. They're going to scrap
49:29
that too. He Wolf had a question for you. He wants to know
49:35
if there's chairs in your house standing the whole time, there's there's stalls.
49:44
Okay, that's funny. Yeah, yeah, I'm just I'm standing here drinking
49:54
my coffee. Get Rios. You can't Bronson. Rios is dead. They
50:00
kill them like freaking idiots in the past. He went back to his home
50:04
planet yep, yep. And then how long is this season of Lower Deck?
50:10
Is going to be ten? Ten episodes? I think, so we
50:14
got ten episodes and then then we're gonna have the gap between that and Discovery
50:19
Scovery and then you know everybody, and then we'll be the real after that
50:28
will be the real gap because there's nothing. I mean, yeah, I
50:30
don't think we'll get else next year, honestly, well next year was we'll
50:36
get Discovery outside of that, Yeah, that's outside of that. I don't
50:38
think anything else. Nope. Yeah. And when is Discovers like February or
50:44
do we know? Well, tentatively it's supposed to be like, yeah,
50:47
February a thing, but who knows they can move it? Well, this
50:52
time, I know where they can move it for it. Where can they
50:58
move it, Dan, Well, let's they can click here and drag it
51:02
to the recycling been dropping in there. I don't care. I don't care.
51:09
I don't care. I don't care, Dan. I can actually honestly
51:15
say I am actually, for the first time forever, I am actually excited
51:21
about this season of Discovery because I know it's the last one and then the
51:29
suffering will end. I just want to see Burnham dye and I'm hoping to
51:31
God it happens. That's what I'm here for. She'll have a monument,
51:37
so she'll push over O'Brien's monument. I think the best. The best thing
51:45
they could do is tie it into the temporal Cold War and and have someone
51:52
tell them you were never supposed to be here. None of this was supposed
51:57
to happen. No, I'm serious, none of this was supposed to happen.
52:01
Send them back to the send them back to the twenty third century.
52:05
The ship gets destroyed in the process, the spot drive technology is lost.
52:10
They all end up going home, and that timeline gets erased. So everything
52:17
we know about the thirty second century or wherever the hell they are is irrelevant.
52:22
Now it's an alternate timeline disregard. You know what about that theory is
52:29
that's not too far from how they've done some endings. So it's pretty good.
52:35
This is what you do. You end it with somebody goes computer end
52:37
program, and then all of a sudden there's Jake and maybe a couple of
52:42
different cast members from DS nine, and he's all like, what do you
52:44
think of my holler novel? Yeah, but yes, it's all the internet
52:52
criticisms. They'll make this, they'll make this space yeah yeah, yeah,
52:59
and to it could even better. You should get that. You should get
53:01
the dipshits who put together action our as part of that crew sitting around with
53:05
him giving them. It would be hilarious. End it that way. Yeah,
53:13
that would be hilarious. They should do something. They can't do that
53:16
though they can't they physically can't do that. They could do that on lower
53:20
decks, though. They could have something on lower decks for an episode like
53:23
that where we're watching the whole thing and it ends with Boemler or somebody saying,
53:28
how do you like my hollow novel? They need to do that.
53:36
That would be great. It was it was all a dream and you were
53:37
there and you and you and you, yeah, slippers on home. See.
53:52
That's what's great about lower decks because you can do all those kinds of
53:55
things and just completely have fun with yourself with it and it's fine. It's
54:00
great. Yeah, yeah, believe it. Yep. Do you think in
54:07
like thirty years it like Jack Quaid will be the new like Jonathan Franks were,
54:14
like, he's the statesman of Star Trek. He'll never He'll never be
54:17
Jonathan Franks because that's not a person, you know, who it really will
54:25
be. It'll Benny Newsome will be that statesman. Yeah, it'll be her,
54:30
one of the two. If they play their cards right, very well,
54:32
could be. They're both they're both very intelligent, they're both very very
54:38
good. And I really think she loves it more like I think he's having
54:42
fun. But oh yeah, for sure, she absolutely love You can just
54:45
well, I don't know if that's really that's just her personality though. I
54:49
think she's just a very but she goes all the details like she does.
54:55
She does. That's true. Yeah, I guess that's true because they were
55:00
And when when when we first were introduced to Mariner, when we first met
55:02
Tony Newsom, I was like, holy crap, that's too much. I
55:06
can't that's too much. She's way over the top. I live back down,
55:09
let down. But that's the first episode or two right that. I
55:14
mean, you kind of get used to it and you kind of get to
55:15
understand her. That's endearing After a while, well it's, oh god,
55:21
you love her to death. I think it was because we had Michael Burnham
55:24
for several seasons and then we saw her and yeah, here we go again.
55:30
We're going to get another no at all blah blah blah, and then
55:35
they changed it and it's so much better. It's much better, Yeah,
55:38
much better, much better. So No, Yeah, I think those two,
55:43
if they want to, they will have a very very long Yeah,
55:46
exactly, Bronson. I think that they will have a very very long career
55:50
in Trek if they still desire for pretty much anything they want, so,
55:54
regardless of their cameos in Strange New Worlds now where their live action characters.
56:02
Yeah, So anything else you want to bring up? Uh? What was
56:07
I gonna say? So? What the writers strike? Blah blah blah?
56:10
You know, what are we gonna do with the show next year? Are
56:15
we gonna do review episodes? And we got somep this long gap? Yeah,
56:21
we got some she's gonna have. We've talked about a few things.
56:25
You know, maybe maybe we'll watch some fan films and try to talk to
56:30
people from that. I've got more of those old fashioned evergreen episodes where you
56:35
take a specific topic or a specific genre or trope and break it down,
56:39
break it apart, how all those kinds of things. So we're open.
56:43
I'm open to suggestions if anybody wants, Yeah, what do you want to
56:46
do? Yeah, well, for sure, we need to do the gold
56:51
Decott tribute episode because he did nothing wrong. He did nothing wrong wrong.
56:59
Monuments a benevolent leader. He's on the pajurance like his children. Yes,
57:07
you know for Father's Day, that's what we should do, god Father's Day
57:12
tribute Worst Fathers the Star Trek. I don't really starting with war party,
57:21
you know, that would be interesting. Who's the worst father? Because one
57:28
will physically kill the other child the other one is like emotionally which one's worse.
57:37
It's I mean, it's pretty bad. He's like the one he killed
57:39
the trauma is over right, but the other one like kill their spirit and
57:43
it's always there. Even Alice Steven mentioned what happened to worst Son. It
57:49
was like Alexander is like nobody cares about Alexander. Nobody cares about Alexander,
57:52
that poor guy he crashed with the Enterprise or whatever, and they've all forgot
57:58
it. Tell everybody's dead. Yeah, Jordy's just like they're all like ninety
58:04
and Jordy's like, what's Alexander up to these days? Jordy, he died
58:08
fifty years ago. They used my ending with Jake and it's him and Alexander.
58:14
How come none of the characters have dads exactly. Bronson wants us to
58:22
use Jeopardy, Yeah for sure, Oh yeah, or technically don't want to
58:27
get I don't want to get nut again. I got destroyed last time at
58:35
Jeopardy. Uh. There should definitely be like a tournament where we have lots
58:39
of people sign up for it. We push it like month ahead of time,
58:43
and then we have like a couple of episodes in a row where we're
58:45
getting through those brackets like it's we should do that for March Madness. Yeah.
58:52
Yeah, we come up with some stuff. Yeah, all kinds of
58:53
things, all kinds of things to keep up on my Star Trek. Yeah.
59:01
Yeah. Did they have an audio version of Memory Alpha? They'll just
59:06
read it Wipedia last time, So that's why we can. We can take
59:09
clips and then use AI voices to do that. Yeah. Yeah, all
59:15
right, Jasmine, Well thanks for for being on. All right, thanks
59:19
guys, next time, next man. Yep, yeah, do you have
59:23
any other feedback? Daniel was like, we got we got a show to
59:28
watch, the show on pre show. It's not for another hour, but
59:32
I got things to do. Get ready. It was my birthday the other
59:37
week on the twentieth, seven days ago. Did you even did you even
59:40
see the tribute in the Facebook group? I don't think he did you don't
59:47
no, don't anything about. I'm gonna go look it up right now.
59:51
Oh my god, Oh my god. Yeah, I want to see this
59:54
live reaction. All right, I'm pulling it up. I'm pulling it up.
59:59
You gotta read it out loud. Oh God, describe the photo and
1:00:02
then read it out loud. Let's see where do I get to my How
1:00:07
do I get the groups? Let's see how do I get there's groups?
1:00:12
Okay, it like your first day, your first day on on the Okay,
1:00:15
here, I am scrolling down. Let's see that was a day ago.
1:00:22
Oh that's right now. Oh my god, look at this uh tendye
1:00:25
with peanut Hamper. Don't get distracted. Okay, I'm scrolling. I'm scrolling.
1:00:34
Jane way over two vox Grave. Okay. The group is so active,
1:00:38
there's so many things. Yeah, I got You might have to search
1:00:44
for my name and then you'll find it. It's a picture of you.
1:00:49
Oh god, let's see searcher searcher search. Hey, are we gonna go
1:00:53
to the Long Island Trick instead? I think we should? When is that
1:00:58
one? It's made thirty first through June second. I could debts. I
1:01:02
could absolutely make it to that if you guys still like, can I get
1:01:07
a flight clear? I'm gonna fly my Dodge Ram Yeah, down down the
1:01:14
New York State Thruway. I honestly I'd rather go there than Vegas. That
1:01:19
sounds like a lot more fun. I mean, I definitely want to go
1:01:22
to Vegas, but I mean for me, that's a day trip. It's
1:01:27
a long I mean, I would probably spend the night. But did you
1:01:30
find it? Yeah? Looking at it right now, says six days ago
1:01:35
from Dan Lombardo says, hey at everyone. Forty six years ago, Chad
1:01:38
Wader was born into this world on a day other than his due date and
1:01:44
was thus wrong for the very first time. Happy birthday, buddy, We
1:01:51
still love you, sincerely, Alpha Shift and Beta Shift, Dan Lombardo,
1:01:54
Daniel Rayas, Gentry Hi hiking on What's I think? Jack said he's busy
1:02:02
today, Powders. How did I miss this? Oh my god? Yeah,
1:02:15
oh lord, thank you everybody for the happy birthday wishes. I'm sorry,
1:02:19
happy happy birthday. These are fantastic. As I'm scrolling through him,
1:02:22
I'll keep looking at him as after the show, but those are thank you.
1:02:25
I think Bronson sat he can go to the Long Island truck. Yeah,
1:02:30
well, nice, awesome. Yeah, so I'm down. I'm down
1:02:38
with Long Island truck. It's close enough to me that, you know,
1:02:44
I really can't justify not being down with it. Yeah, and it's May.
1:02:47
What is it May? What? May thirty one through June second or
1:02:52
something the red after Memorial Day? Yeah, and Long Island is close enough
1:02:58
to New York City that if you guys just want to you know, I
1:03:00
don't know how often or if you've ever been to New York City. If
1:03:04
I have, it's fun. I had a lot. Yeah, if you
1:03:06
want to check out the New York City landmarks, you know, it's it's
1:03:09
not far. Yeah. I want to go to Midtown Comics. I really
1:03:15
like that place. Okay, there's a few of them. Yeah yeah,
1:03:17
it's like three or four of them now, okay, yeah, yeah,
1:03:22
all right, anything else we want to bring up before we wrap it up.
1:03:29
We're good. Think we're good. Yeah, we didn't have any voicemails
1:03:31
or anything. No, no voicemails. Well, hold on, I guess
1:03:37
I'll double check on the voicemail. I'm pretty sure we don't. Daniels like,
1:03:42
you don't have to come on, Okay, it's fine, but we're
1:03:45
not doing the show again next week, right, and then the week after
1:03:50
that is lower decks, so which yeah, no voice magget. I gotta
1:03:58
look at the calendar now, yeah, because two weeks from now we'll be
1:04:03
after the premiere. Yeah, because the show comes out on the seventh,
1:04:09
So yeah, we'll do a show on the tenth, Yeah, which could
1:04:13
be the review. So yep, yep, okay, cool, Yeah,
1:04:17
I think I'm good on the tenth, but okay, I'll let you know,
1:04:21
and that'll be the normal time. There's no wrestling then, so oh
1:04:25
well, you know there's football. What do you mean? Well on that?
1:04:31
Thanks everybody for listening. All right, thanks guys, good show,
1:04:35
Good see you. Thanks guys. We'll see y'all. Yeah, and Wolf
1:04:38
ask, so we're gonna have a trick cast table if we go to the
1:04:41
Long Island, New York. Let's talk about that off. Yeah, I
1:04:45
don't know, I don't know. I don't always like being tied down to
1:04:48
something, but exactly exactly, well, we'll talk about it. Yeah,
1:04:53
we'll talk about it. We'll talk about all right, see you guys,
1:04:56
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