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Darling Bish Hour: Southern Hospitality fallout + 💎 RHOBH Reunion Pt. 2 Breakdown · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I guess what. It's bitch therapist and your drama
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  Speaker 2: darling bish wife. What's up?
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  Speaker 1: I'm Alissa, what's hi, Amy, my bitch wife. Hello therapist.
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  Speaker 3: It's so good.
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  Speaker 2: I love talking to my bitch therapist. I love it.
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  Speaker 2: I love it, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, Amy, I have to say that it with Real
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  Speaker 1: Housewives of Rhode Island. I don't know if you're watching,
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  Speaker 1: but I feel like Brian Rulis's husband gives me Joe
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  Speaker 1: Gorga mixed with Louis vibes and so wow. Yes, I've
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  Speaker 1: been saying a lot of like, you know, your bitch wife,
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  Speaker 1: your bitch you know. I've been doing all of that.
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  Speaker 1: It's maybe so reminiscent.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so funny. It is reminiscent of Jersey,
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  Speaker 2: and I have been calling him more of Joe Judae actually,
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  Speaker 2: but I can see he's he is. He's like just
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  Speaker 2: an amalgamation of all of the Jersey husbands. And that's
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  Speaker 2: why we're here. That's why we're loving it. Are you lovingly?
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  Speaker 2: Are you loving Rhode Island?
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  Speaker 1: I am loving get so. Initially I was so behind
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  Speaker 1: because I've been dealing with stuff, like with some family stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and I. It was like a lot of Bravo stuff
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  Speaker 1: on at one time, and I was like, I can't
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  Speaker 1: keep up. But I went on Lindsay and Brady's podcast,
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  Speaker 1: Recap Rodeo, and so I watched it and as soon
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  Speaker 1: as I got to episode three, I was hooked. Honey,
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  Speaker 1: can you look?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a good because right right there, Rula
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  Speaker 2: is just like, you know, I don't but you can
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  Speaker 2: bring me anything, bring me the receipts, bring me pictures, anything,
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  Speaker 2: just bring me the truth. But what is this nonsense?
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  Speaker 2: It's the truth. It's the truth. That's what's been brought
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  Speaker 2: to you.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: He calls the truth AI and I was like, ma'am, ma'am,
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  Speaker 1: you are in denial, ma'am. So yes, I posted a
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  Speaker 1: lot about that, but you've been on my mind because
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  Speaker 1: of that whole thing. And I love that we're on
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  Speaker 1: the Stane page about that because Brian definitely gives Jersey
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  Speaker 1: Husband Jersey Husband an amalgamation of all the crappiest gorgeous
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  Speaker 1: Jersey Husband gorgeous, right, gorgeous, gorgeous gorgeous.
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  Speaker 2: I actually just saw over the weekend that the news
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  Speaker 2: is out that's something like Brian there's an nda with
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  Speaker 2: the mistress because he gave her a part of the company. Yep,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, just what you think it's that we've
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  Speaker 2: That's just an affair, it's not a business.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, wow, the goal of this man to be
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  Speaker 1: trying to deny something that's so obvious, and you gave
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  Speaker 1: this woman part of your business, like what betrayals to
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  Speaker 1: his wife? So listen, at some point we're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: to talk real housewives a Rhode Island. I know we
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  Speaker 1: have bigger fish to fry today, but it is it
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  Speaker 1: is great. And you know what the other thing is,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Allen has entered my chats. She's entered you're a
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  Speaker 1: bish that yes, in a good way? Mm hmm. Well okay,
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  Speaker 1: so here's in a gorgeous way.
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  Speaker 2: Post in a gorgeous way. Either it's either a gorgeous
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  Speaker 2: way or a non gorgeous way. So which one is it?
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  Speaker 2: Is it gorgeous and non gorgeousness or.
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  Speaker 1: Is it a whoa way? Are you a hua? Go away?
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  Speaker 1: I love how they say horror like hula.
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  Speaker 2: I love how they say wandered, wanted, he's wanted. Okay, wait,
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  Speaker 2: so what you get a lot of brav celebrities in
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  Speaker 2: your DMS and in your just main feed, so like,
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  Speaker 2: what how is Joe Ellen showing up?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so Joe Allen showed up and it's like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how they find me so fast, but like,
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  Speaker 1: I'll post something so the Valley. I posted the Valley,
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  Speaker 1: Kristen Dodi liked it. I posted another thing from the Valley.
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  Speaker 1: Janet liked it. Then I posted about Rula's husband being
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  Speaker 1: a absolute manipulative, abuse, use of terrible person, and.
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  Speaker 2: She liked it. She liked it. She's like, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you're not wrong.
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  Speaker 1: She's like this bitch gets it, this therapist. But I'm like, so,
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  Speaker 1: but what gives me like such bad stomach issues? As like, well,
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  Speaker 1: just wait till she has an episode and then I
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  Speaker 1: have to be like, well that Joe Allen, and then
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  Speaker 1: she's not going to like me so much anymore. So,
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: but yeah, there have been a lot of Bravo labs
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  Speaker 1: up in my business recently and it's been wild.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, thank you for sharing that. It's something that I
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  Speaker 2: always need to be reregulated on because I can't believe
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  Speaker 2: how many come to you. It's just so wild. Yes, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so we are doing our regular monthly collab, the Darling
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: Bisch Collab, here today, and we're going to be talking
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  Speaker 2: about Beverly Hills. Before we get into that, we have
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  Speaker 2: two things to discuss. One a personal update for me,
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  Speaker 2: and two, Melissa's going to talk a little bit about
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  Speaker 2: Southern hospitality and I'm here for that journey. So first
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  Speaker 2: of all, I had jury duty. I was summoned to
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  Speaker 2: go in. I went in on Friday, and I had
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  Speaker 2: a really great experience. I know that people are like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, jury duty. That's awful. Yes, it's awful
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  Speaker 2: because it interrupts the regular flow of your life. No
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  Speaker 2: one has time to do jury duty. No one does,
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  Speaker 2: and you don't have the money and the resources to
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  Speaker 2: stop your job for however long the commitment is. But
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  Speaker 2: I've always wanted to serve because I find that world fascinating. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: I think we all do on some level. But when
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  Speaker 2: it comes down to it, it's just really inconvenient. And
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  Speaker 2: as of right now, they had to postpone the full
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  Speaker 2: jury selection until Monday morning, so I don't actually know
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  Speaker 2: if I'm going to be on the jury or not.
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  Speaker 2: I was there all day and there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people a lot of interviewing process and we should we
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  Speaker 2: shall see. So Monday I go back, I will find
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  Speaker 2: out if I do get selected, I stay there and
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  Speaker 2: start the whole jury commitment of whatever you call it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know for the rest of however long it
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  Speaker 2: will be. So I will absolutely give you guys an
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  Speaker 2: update on that. Not to panic because from what I understand,
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  Speaker 2: the hours are eight thirty to three thirty, and this
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  Speaker 2: is downtown, so like, this is the Superior Court of
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  Speaker 2: Los Angeles. This is not you know, San Fernando Valley.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not. I know I live in Santa Clarita.
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  Speaker 1: I you Santa Clarita.
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  Speaker 2: I know you guys know how far away I am
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  Speaker 2: from everything? Amy?
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  Speaker 1: Wait, can I just tell you when they when they
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  Speaker 1: acted like going to Santa Clarita was like traveling the
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  Speaker 1: Oregon Trail. I thought of you immediately, and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: how dare they, I know, how dare they treat Amy's home.
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  Speaker 2: Of my town, my town like.
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  Speaker 1: It is so far away?
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  Speaker 2: That is, this town is the farthest town. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna do a whole like parody of the Frank Sinatra song,
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  Speaker 2: Look I am from Michigan. I am not from Santa Clarita.
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  Speaker 2: I won't take it that personally. However, their points were valid.
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  Speaker 2: I had all the same questions they did. And before
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  Speaker 2: it became like a suburban gal up here working from
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  Speaker 2: home WFH, and I was the hipster like them, living
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  Speaker 2: in the heart of Los Angeles, I would say the
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  Speaker 2: hip is part And for the upwards of like thirteen
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  Speaker 2: years before I headed over here, I, like them, did
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  Speaker 2: not know about it. So their questions were valid. Their
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  Speaker 2: concerns were absolutely valid. And it's true it can't take
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  Speaker 2: a very long time to get up here. That being said,
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  Speaker 2: I live up here, and they wanted to throw a
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  Speaker 2: wide net because for people all over to be a
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  Speaker 2: part of this jury. That is why I, you know,
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  Speaker 2: was selected. Now that being said, hours are eight thirty
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  Speaker 2: two three thirty, though it will take me probably upwards
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  Speaker 2: of an hour, possibly more to get home. I will
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  Speaker 2: be doing if I get selected, I will be doing
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  Speaker 2: drama after dark. For the month of May, I will
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  Speaker 2: be doing. I will be you know, lessening my recaps.
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  Speaker 2: It will be three a week, it won't be five,
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  Speaker 2: So I will be doing that and I will be
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  Speaker 2: able to keep up with the shows. So it will
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  Speaker 2: be a little bit nuts, but I'm happy to do it.
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  Speaker 2: So don't anybody pany That's all I have to say
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  Speaker 2: about that.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, Amy, Can I just say number one, I
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  Speaker 1: admire you so much because I think that while jury
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  Speaker 1: duty is, I don't know that anyone looks forward to that.
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  Speaker 1: I think part of being a good citizen is doing
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  Speaker 1: your role. And quite frankly, you are someone we would
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  Speaker 1: want on a jury. We've seen what jury's can be,
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  Speaker 1: and my goodness, sometimes they are lacking in common sense
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  Speaker 1: and some other things.
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  Speaker 2: And if you've seen what they wear, I mean, please kidding.
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  Speaker 1: So not only will you be bringing fast, bringing your
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  Speaker 1: brave right, I mean just like I'm proud of you
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  Speaker 1: for being someone who's like, let me engage in this
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  Speaker 1: process and because we're all busy, like we all have things.
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  Speaker 1: Oh and I just think it's it's cool for you
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  Speaker 1: to to really take that seriously. And I cannot wait.
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  Speaker 1: I am seated waiting to see it.
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  Speaker 2: You are seated like a juror. You know you're right, okay,
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  Speaker 2: Well in other news, and this is very exciting. As
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  Speaker 2: you all know, bish therapist you know, has has all
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  Speaker 2: of the angles on the shows that we watch here,
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  Speaker 2: on Bravo and Beyond, and one of the shows that
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  Speaker 2: she partakes in which I do not is Southern Hospitality,
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  Speaker 2: And I know you guys have told me all about it.
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  Speaker 2: I will get on board. In fact, i'll get on
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  Speaker 2: board this summer. I won't be able to do it
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  Speaker 2: before the end of this season. So Melissa there, it
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  Speaker 2: looks like things are fire right now. Can you give
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  Speaker 2: me an update and what's going on with your opinion
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  Speaker 2: of what's happening?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So this is what is so crazy, Amy, is
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  Speaker 1: that a couple of weeks ago, I did a poll
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  Speaker 1: about because Southern Hospitality and The Valley are on on
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  Speaker 1: the same night, and I have trouble covering two shows
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  Speaker 1: on the same night. My chronically ill, foggy brain just
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  Speaker 1: cannot do it. However, I've been watching Southern Hospitality and
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  Speaker 1: there is such a major storyline going on over there
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  Speaker 1: that I decided to post about it, and it was
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  Speaker 1: here's just to help other people and content creators understand
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  Speaker 1: that the algorithm makes no sense. This post about this
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  Speaker 1: show that I don't even cover is the biggest posts
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  Speaker 1: that I've ever done ever since I've been Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Literally, hm, oh my gosh, you don't recap it.
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't recap it, but you've been watching it.
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  Speaker 1: I've been watching it because they're okay, So I'll explain
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  Speaker 1: to you all what's going on. And then Leva Bonaparte
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  Speaker 1: has entered my comments like a lot, and this has
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: been all over the internet.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's gorgeous. That's gorgeous.
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  Speaker 1: Gorgeous. So hare has what's been going on on Southern hospitality.
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  Speaker 1: There is a man his name is Bradley Carter, and
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  Speaker 1: then there's a woman named Emmy. I don't even care
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  Speaker 1: about her last name. I forget what it is. And
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  Speaker 1: to be honest, she's problematic. And so my post was
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  Speaker 1: about how Emmy essentially has been Initially it was microaggression.
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  Speaker 1: So Bradley Carter is a black man and Emmy is
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  Speaker 1: a white woman, Okay, okay, and they all work at
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  Speaker 1: the Oh god, what is the name of a reppublic
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  Speaker 1: Lev's I think that's what it is. Yeah, and so
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of like vander Pump Rules, but lev is
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  Speaker 1: the boss and it's in Charleston and that whole thing. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So Emmy initially with brad was she was talking about
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  Speaker 1: him in a hotel room they were in New York
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  Speaker 1: City for something. She was talking loudly, he overheard her.
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  Speaker 1: He texted her that he was not happy, and she
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  Speaker 1: basically was saying, this man stalked me, he threatened me,
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  Speaker 1: he harassed me. And then when she didn't get enough
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  Speaker 1: attention from that, she started amping things up, saying I
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  Speaker 1: was naked behind the door. So it was this big look,
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  Speaker 1: the huge thing. But what happened is Southern hospitality is
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  Speaker 1: a pretty diverse group. There's different races, different sexual orientations,
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  Speaker 1: and people are more aware, let's say, of racial issues,
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  Speaker 1: like this is no Southern charm. Southern charm is like
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  Speaker 1: completely unaware of racial dynamics Southern hospitality. They're telling Emmy
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  Speaker 1: this is a real problem, okay, and Emmy is saying, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's not. He's wrong, I'm upset, just like whatever, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So what happened in the last episode is that Emmy
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  Speaker 1: just kept doubling down and then instead of she was
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  Speaker 1: like being accused of microaggressions. But then it crossed the
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  Speaker 1: bridge into full blown racism on the show and on
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  Speaker 1: the show w Yes on the show racism trying to
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  Speaker 1: say that Bradley is dangerous, he's aggressive, he has stalked her,
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  Speaker 1: he's harassed her, and he has done nothing of the sort. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so she I posted about how talking about in the
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  Speaker 1: South with Emmett Till who. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 1: know the story of Emmett Hill in nineteen fifty five
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  Speaker 1: in Mississippi. This was a fourteen year old child, a
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  Speaker 1: black child, who was heinously murdered in ways that I
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  Speaker 1: can't even completely express for allegedly flirting with a white
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  Speaker 1: female grocery owner. And that likely never happened. And so
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  Speaker 1: the point of this is that when white women make
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  Speaker 1: things up about black men, historically, there have been dire consequences.
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  Speaker 1: Now they were. So the main thing that happened last episode,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sorry I forgot this part, is that we
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  Speaker 1: find through text messages that Emmy called hotel staff and
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  Speaker 1: tried to get legal intervention against Bradley. This is the
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  Speaker 1: part that tipped over into full blown racism, where she's
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  Speaker 1: trying to contact hotel staff saying that he's dangerous, he
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  Speaker 1: you know, we need to call the police. All these
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  Speaker 1: other things, and they if they were not in New
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  Speaker 1: York and in Charleston, that could have had very different
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  Speaker 1: repercussions for Bradley. Wow, So I post about what a
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  Speaker 1: microaggression is, what is racism? What is microaggression? What does
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  Speaker 1: this mean? I post about Emmett Till and why what
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  Speaker 1: white women say about black men matters, like just this
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  Speaker 1: whole thing, and it blew up on social media, absolutely
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  Speaker 1: blew up. And now I was angry at Emmy because
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I said, it should be a felony to
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  Speaker 1: bring this person back. Her behavior has been so racist
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  Speaker 1: that you remember on below deck when there was allegations
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  Speaker 1: of racism and they just edited the person out, I forget.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it was yep, okay, So I don't remember his name,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that he was like a one stew person,
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  Speaker 2: you know, one stew season person.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right right. So people, because Leva is a person
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  Speaker 1: of color and she's married to a black man and
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: she's raising a son of color, people were angry at
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  Speaker 1: Leva about how is this person not fired? How has
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  Speaker 1: she not been edited out? Because while I understand you
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  Speaker 1: haven't watched, the behavior is so egregious to watch, Like
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  Speaker 1: when you do eventually go back and watch, you'll be like,
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  Speaker 1: oh wow, this is insane that this was allowed to
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  Speaker 1: be on TV. It's so dangerous, and everyone is telling her, Emmy,
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  Speaker 1: you're wrong, Emmy, this is important. You need like her friends,
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  Speaker 1: people of color are saying you have to listen, and
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  Speaker 1: she just won't listen. Really, so wow, yep, I posted
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  Speaker 1: about this. It was my biggest post ever, which I
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  Speaker 1: was like, this is so rude and offensive. I spend
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: hours doing these interpretations and I did this post in
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  Speaker 1: like ten minutes and everyone is obsessed with it. But
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: then Leva not only did she start following me, but
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  Speaker 1: she came into my comments to respond for hours hours.
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  Speaker 1: This happened. Wow, to the point where so I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if do you want me to read some of
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  Speaker 1: what she said.
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  Speaker 2: I would love to hear Leva's feedback on this.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, there's a lot, so all kind of narrow it
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  Speaker 1: down to a couple of the most important things she said.
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  Speaker 1: And I also did a post about what she said
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  Speaker 1: because when she responded in my comments, I thought, let
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: me let me do another separate post about this, and
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: I screenshoted her comments and she liked that. She appreciated it. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So it starts off with her talking in third person
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  Speaker 1: and Amy, this is something that I'm like, is this
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  Speaker 1: really Leva or is this her social media person? Because
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: she goes from talking in the third person, you'll see, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so Levis is Unfortunately Leva was kept in the dark.
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  Speaker 1: I'm watching this it well, and there's a lot of typos.
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  Speaker 1: I'm watching this in real time like you all are,
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  Speaker 1: despite what you all think. I don't see raw footage,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't have creative control on this show. I
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: don't control NBC. I heard of the original microaggression and
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I was told it was rectified and the apology was
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: sherely accepted. So what happened with this was before I
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  Speaker 1: go on with what she said is that Brad they
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  Speaker 1: all had a meeting where he said, this was the microaggression.
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  Speaker 1: You're saying, I'm an aggressive man that has different implications
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  Speaker 1: for black men. Okay, So the whole group kind of
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  Speaker 1: intervened on her, and what Emmy did was she said
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  Speaker 1: I understand, she apologized, and then she went outside said
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: she's not sorry, said she's scared of Brad, and she
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: said she's basically like afraid of being canceled. So this
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: is the apology that we're talking about. So she apologized
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  Speaker 1: and then was like, no, I'm not sorry. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: sorry that people are mad at me.
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  Speaker 2: So what in the world, may I ask? She's accusing
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  Speaker 2: him of harassing, stalking, all this stuff. Do you know
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  Speaker 2: over what? And what is it that she's actually saying
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  Speaker 2: that he did. You can get to that later, but
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: I just want to so you know what she's saying
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: that he did.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so essentially what she's I'll give a little snippet.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is what she he in this
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: hotel room, she was like yelling about Bradley. She was like,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: he is dead to me, Like, fuck this guy, just
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: like raging about him. And I guess he was walking
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: past her room and she was yelling so loud he
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: heard it, and he did send her a text that
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: said you're dead to me too, bitch because he heard.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, gotch So they were dating, they were together.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no, nope, not together, just friends.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: And by the way, Emmy's fiance was supposedly in the
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: room with her, So keep this in mind. She's saying
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: she's afraid of Bradley, who just basically heard her yelling
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: about him. Sit back yelling.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: So loud that someone could hear her outside of a
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: hotel door, like yes, that's insane.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: And all he did and her fiance was there by
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: the way, and all he did was said you're dead
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: to me, to bitch, and that's what this is all about.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: That and then just that, just that. So when Leva
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: talks about this apology, that's why it's really important to
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: note there was real So she thought there was an
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: apology given and that it was accepted.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, that Emmy apologized, yes, okay, but.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: She didn't really like she apologized. And then she's like, well,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I just said that so people would leave me alone,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: right yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So then Leva continued,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: what this shit show is that we are all watching
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: is completely left field for me and my husband and
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: my staff. She said, brad doesn't work for us anymore,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: which is like, why does Bradley no longer work there?
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: But okay, doesn't work for us anymore. He throws events
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: and will continue to do, so Emmy is off the schedule.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Let's see what else she say. Okay, So then she
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: said I'm not because people kept responding to her in
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: my comments, and then she kept responding to them and
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: she said, I'm not ignoring it, simply trying to understand
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: the expectations. Do we double down on the obvious? I
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: shown character for years on TV. I don't know what
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: that means. I can't say that for I can't say
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: that for most people on Bravo. I think she's saying
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: that she has shown her character over the years on TV,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: and she can't say the same for other people. Oh right, right,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: she's saying, I won't double down on Emmy either, who
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: is now being threatened left and right. You all don't
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: understand how scary the internet can be when they know
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: where to find you. This is not any other show
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: where people go to their discreet homes. We go to
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: work in public. And then she ended with and yet
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: also not one blogger, which I hate that phrase. I'm
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: not a freaking blogger. And yet also not one blogger
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: or person put Lisa vander Pump under fire for this
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: notice this pattern as well?
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: And why would Lisa Vandercump have meaning what happened in
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: her on vander Pump Rules is that?
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: What I think Lev's trying to compare herself to another
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: white woman in her position, saying that like lvp didn't
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: get the flack that Leva's getting for her employee's bad behavior,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: right when like scandal all happened and all these things happened.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: What she's saying is, I didn't see Lisa getting that flack.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: So Leva's getting a lot of like hate and stuff.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: That's what she says, yes, and oh wow.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Yes. And what's frustrating is in my comments, which my
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: community of people, they are thoughtful, loving, beautiful humans that
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: just like have great discs course, but this post has
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: gotten so viral that now there's just people in my
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: comments just like tagging her and being like, well, love
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: what about this? And they're just like arguing with her.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: She's arguing with them back.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Right Wow. The fact that they're coming after Leva as
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: if she has something to do with this is insane.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Well, and so it's like I understand what people are saying.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: It's like she as a woman of color and you
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: know all of these other things, like she clearly is
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: going to have issues with this. But I think that
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: my interpretation is that Leva has like one foot in
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: being a business owner, but like also one foot in
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: being a Bravo leberty. And I imagine that's an odd
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: set up scenarios to manage like Leva doesn't support. For example,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: do we remember when Catherine sent like a racist like
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: monkey emoji? Yeah, and Leva had a lot to say
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: about that. I think people are like, well, where are you?
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Where are you on this? Why are you not shouting
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: it from the rooftops? Is this because you're the boss?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Or do you know what I mean? It's so complex
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: and Laird. I know it's hard to explain, and I
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: don't want to spend a whole time. I get doing it,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: but you've done it.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: You're doing a great job explaining, especially because I don't
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: watch the show and I am following this and I
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: see the weight of this, and that is no wonder
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: she's fighting so hard. I understand that. And also at
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: the same time, am I right to say she's also
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: trying to say, even though Emmy was completely wrong, please
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: don't send death threats? Is that what she's trying to
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: say as well? Yes, and she's off the schedule and
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: we're not dealing right.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Correct, That's what she's trying to tell us. And so
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: what I reposted was because the fact is that Leva
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: is right in that people like Amanda, for example, her
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: mental health does matter, Sierra's matters, Kyle's matters, everyone's mental
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: health matters. And when people get angry at someone, they
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I think, disregard that. They don't forget it, they disregard it.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: And so my point when I reposted this was Leva
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: has points I believe, and we can't be threatening anyone.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: You can be upset with Emmy, that's fine, but to
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: threaten someone then you're a human troll and you just
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: have to not do that, right, So I posted about
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: here's what lev had to say because I wanted It's like,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: how am I giving lev a platform? Doesn't she have
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: a bigger one than me? But nevertheless, here we are.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Amy, I mean, isn't that well. I think what's important
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: is that you've opened up an important discussion and you
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: have very good points that aren't on any other page necessarily,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: So it's a launching place. It's a launching point for
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: a discussion to be had, and I think that's what
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: you know, you fostered that environment, which is as you
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: said in the past, when you know with your regular
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: posting and stuff like that, it's such an amazing place
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: for discourse and for compelling arguments and points of view
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: and experiences. And then of course when you open the
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: floodgates to something that's so it's just a hot pot,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: and then you get someone who's in the middle of
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: all of it, like Leva. I think it's it says
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: a lot that she feels that your space is a
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: good place to speak to this because you are getting
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: people who want to have a conversation about it. It's
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: not just on her page where they're going to say
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: hateful things and then leave. It's a space where you
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: can actually have something to say and people might take
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: it in and be able to speak on it and respond.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: What's discouraging is and it makes me really sad that
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: she's got such a burden in all of this.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, I mean because women of color they
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: have enough burden, you know, they don't need all the
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: you know, I can't speak for them because I'm not
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: a woman of color, but I'm saying as an ally
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: and an advocate, it's like I want to use my
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: voice to support and really be an ally and not
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: just performatively. And so I appreciate that people are appreciating that,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: and I appreciate that Leva feels like my page is
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: different in that it really is a safe space and
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: there is discourse. It's not just people being like cancel
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: her or screw her or rude or whatever. There are
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: people who have real, like real intelligent, smart things to
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: say and ideas. I'm just sometimes I pinch myself feel
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: like I'm so grateful and lucky to have all this
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: that I have. And I do feel grateful that she
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: came into that space to have those discussions. And then
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: she started following me, and I was like, oh god, oh,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's wild.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I think it's so great, and I love that it's
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: a nice place. It's a nice place. You know, you
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: make it nice, you bitch there fish make it.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: It's good. It's good to be able to become that
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: she wants to be part of the conversation with you
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: and with others that follow And it is such an
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: important thing to talk about mental health within this space.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: It's like, we can't talk about it enough, which is
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: why you know we're here. So at what point in
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: the season is it. Are we close to being wrapped
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: with Southern Hospitality?
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So they filmed the reunion already, which means that
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: we're probably, I don't know, two three episodes away.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I would think, did they film the reunion while this
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: whole thing has already taken place?
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Yep, okay, and that's good. Bradley has a lot to
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: say about it. So the text that I was mentioning
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: people basically like, there are no greater detectives than Bravo Sleuth's.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Bravo Sleuths can solve any unsolved mystery.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: I will solve the.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Well exactly, That's what I'm saying. You want something solved,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: give the Epstein files. We need the Bravo people on this.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: We'll hang it in no time. That'll be whatever. So
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: what happened was on TV there were screenshots shown and
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: people went and made them bigger and then transcribed them.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: You gotta love the community, and so going into the reunion,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: apparently Bradley didn't see those text messages where we find
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: out that she actually tried to get police involved potentially
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: or tried to get hotel staff involved and try and threatened.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: She said that she could sue Bradley. All of that
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: he didn't see. Who did she want to text to
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: her co worker who is one of the few Latino men.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: By the way, on Bravo, his name is Michaels. She
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: sent those texts to him and Bradley. What I saw
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: online is that he said I didn't see those texts,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: and so I'm glad that I lit her ass up
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: at the reunions it.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Oh wow wow yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so that's what
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: he did. Yeah, that's good.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, And honestly, I may end up ditching covering the
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Valley and cover Southern Hospitality because for me this is
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: so much more important.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Did Michaels, sorry, did Michaels leak the texts? Or who
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: leaked those texts? Obviously Emmy didn't, but.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: He in a confessional he had his phone out and
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: he just lifted it up and.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Oh oh oh oh oh oh yeah, oh wow, hot stuff. Okay,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I just right up, all right, let's go.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: And then but then guess what. Guess who also came
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: to like my post? Michaels, Michaels, all these people are
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: up in my post. Yeah and yeah, listen, for me,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: the valley is both dark and boring, and I don't
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: know how it can out.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Of like it's like the was all drifted up from
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: a Baptist board into that doubt, but I leave. That'll
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: baith me, that guy, Brittany.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: It's no, I know. The valley is like, you know, yeah,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: what are you gonna do?
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: But yeah, anyway, so that's the long and the short
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: And that's the lev and the short of it.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: But I'm bump, Well, I'm really.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Happy to be filled in. This is what I needed.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: This is what I needed, So yeah, you should keep
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: covering this. Okay, good, Well, well now I have to.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: It's like my biggest engagement and I'm like, how dare
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I've worked so hard for years and this is what
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: big gets engaged.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: No, you know what, I think it's really great. And
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: that's that's what all the hard work is for you.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: It's usually like the stuff that feels not like a throwaway,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: because your work is never anyone's creative work is never
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: like a throwaway. But it's the stuff where it doesn't
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: take that much effort, you know that, that's when you
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: know you're in the right spot. That's all. That's what
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. You know, you know
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: you're doing gorgeous work. So why don't we talk about
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: the Beverly Hills Reunion Part two. Okay, so now that's
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: what it felt like.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I literally was just gonna say.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Kyle's like actually instead of like hmm, it's more like
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: I am was that not like the entire this is
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: how we know Kyle is not at the end of
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: her She is like still in the middle of this journey.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: We don't have a ever like now more than ever
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: this reunion, she's getting there. I think she is very
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: not ready to say much still and that's okay, but
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I think that, like, you know, there were rumors of
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: people saying like this is Kyle's like last season, or
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: she's going to take a break, She's going to take
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: a break. Well you know how last yeah, you know,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: a last reunion. We understood like this what She's the
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: longest running housewife of all time. Huge, that's huge, hu
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: huge huge.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: I mean absolutely, she's pop culture icon. Whether you don't,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: whether you love call or not, she is absolutely a
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: pop culture icon and for that she deserves.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: And for that I'm in I'd like to invest. But
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I honestly could see I don't you said no, she's
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: not going to take a break. I could actually see
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: her taking a break. Or even quitting the show, to
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: be honest with you, and in that time, the second
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: she's off the show, her divorce is final. She finally
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: gets that all settled up and does that completely off
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: camera so that's hidden. And then she gets back together
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: with Morgan. She moves down to Nashville, or at least
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: she's there part time, back and forth, and you know
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: she's spending time and aspen Veil wherever. So you know,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but here I have a bish therapist
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: question when somebody says, sorry to laugh, but like when
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: someone's like, no, no, no, I no, I don't have
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: feelings for that person. No, no, we would still be
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: together if we were if he was a ski instructor.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: And by the way, it would probably be worse if
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: he was a ski instructor, to be honest with you. So,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: all right, what do you see as a therapist when
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: someone answers a question with you? No? No, yeah, no, no,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: yeah no. What does that mean?
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're buying they're buying time to think, they're buying
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: time to think about. Now, listen, some people process differently
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: than others. Okay, so some people who do that. It's
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: a function of processing. I do not think that's the
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: issue for Kyle.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, think for Kyle.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: It's an issue of trying to choose her words very carefully,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: trying to be strategic, trying to be parse out her
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: words to create a facade that is different from what
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: she's really living. Because truly, one of the things that
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I saw, Amy, I don't know if you saw this,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: is that there someone had posted a TikTok or something
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: on social media. It was like a real house. Was
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: a Beverly Hills fan that was in Nashville, and she
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: saw Kyle and more wade to Leah at lunch, right,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: and this was this was just like a couple months ago,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: maybe two months ago or something like that, right. So clearly,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: basically what I heard from Kyle heard what I read
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: between the lines, because when you know, I can kind
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: of see past, like the BS, what I think I'm
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: hearing from her is like that part of her life
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: with Morgan, She's never going to be public with it.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: She doesn't feel like that's something that she needs to do,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: and fans need to calm down and let her have privacy,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: and for better or for worse, she claims that she
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: is not heartbroken and that she is single. I personally
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: doubt that. I mean, she owns a home in Nashville,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: which she also slipped up and mentioned this season, right,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: she said, I have a home in Nashville, and then
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: someone asked her like, well, why do you have a
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: home there? And Kyle just looked at them and they
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: were like, oh. It was like this conversation that was
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: so talent. And so I think that Kyle is figuring out.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't think she wants to get back
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: with Mauricio. I think she does have grief about how
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: did things get here and if we could have lived
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: a different life, perhaps this could have been different. But
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: that's not true because unfortunately, what she confirmed in this
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: reunion is what that's I kick said back on season
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: one or two Alison Duboa, is that Moe never was
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: gonna emotionally fulfill her. And that's part of why is
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: this huge disconnect. It's it doesn't it's not the fame,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: it's not the money, it's not the TV, it's not
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure that didn't help, but it's the
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: fact that he is who he is and he will
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: never emotionally fulfill herse.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: He is disconnected I mean, he does look so disconnected
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: all the time, and it is heartbreaking to see. You know,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: I want better for Kyle. I you know, we know
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: what she wants. She wants. She wanted to go to
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: go the distance. She wanted to go the distance. And
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: who's the blame her for wanting that, you know, and
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: especially now with her first child getting married and they
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: thought that they were going to be there together as
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: married is a well they are married, but not like
• 38:50
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  Speaker 1: You know. Here's the thing. I would get that too,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: but I don't. My perspective is different. I don't think
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: she wants that. I think now that she understands what
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: it is to have love and emotional connection and hopefully
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: the best sex of her life with Morgan, I hope maso, please,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: I think she I don't think she wants mo. I
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: think sometimes people I notice this clinically speaking, is that
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: when we have a picture of what our life is
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: supposed to be, sometimes our commitment to that can create
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: such problems for a us like it for God.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, I am guilty, guilty, guilty in the past.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: It's so hard to break that.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean like for me, I thought by
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: now i'd be I'd own a private practice. I thought
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I was going to be a therapist forever, own a
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: private practice, And now look at what I'm doing, and
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I'm chronically and I'm just trying to like.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Well, what you're doing is even better than that. Well
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: that's sweet, I mean I think so, but.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: But I think the point but to your point is
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: what I'm doing now is amazing. And if I hadn't
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: been able to change that script in my brain, I
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: would be really maybe not able to reach my full
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: potential or clinging to something that no longer serves me.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Just using this as an example. So, I think part
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: of what Kyle's saying is that she wants her family
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: unit intact, but she doesn't really want to be with mo.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I think she's just afraid about like she said, well
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: if we divorce, things will be different. We want stay
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: together at the Aspen House. We right be doing this.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: I mean when she talks about right like I remember her.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: You know, she's saying, we wake up in the morning,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: we have coffee, we do this, and we do that.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: It's got of what's amazing to me is that she's
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: able to do that and she actually takes joy in
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: that in his presence and being around him, Whereas with me,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: there's no way I would be seething with anger either
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: I will either I would have begun moving on and
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: being healing apart from this person and not being able
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: to be around them. So I still she is such
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: an enigma to me. I don't know how she actually
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: does it, how she's even around him.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: But I think the answer is because she's not in
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: love with him. That's what I think the answer is. Yes,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I don't think she's with him. I don't think she
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: wants what they had, but I think she still wants
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: this family unit and.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: She wants love.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: That makes sense to I think if she was still
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: in love with him, this would be and listen, I
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: don't know. I have no idea. I can't speak for her.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: That's just my assessment of the situation, where if she
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: did have stronger feelings, that may be more adversarial or
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: more problematic. I think she just wants him back as
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: her best friend.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's amazing.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Last husband, more best friend and saying like, how can
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: we continue to be best friends and have this cohesive
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: family unit without completely shattering that.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: That's why I think she's worried about and she's afraid
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: of him, like really going off and just her not
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: having any tie, real strong tie to him. Why do
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: you think that this divorce is taking so long because
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: they did discuss this on the show. Bo's made such
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: a great point, and it really looked like Kyle was
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: taking that in. And I know that she's a good actress,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: and I know that we see a lot of her
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: amazing acting a show, But like bo'se made the point
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: that if you guys are actually in some way out
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: of a good place, why not take advantage of that.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: You know, bird in the hand better than do in
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: the bush. Why don't you pull the trigger, you know,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: separate your assets and move your asses away and like
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: get it done. And she was like, huh, so, why
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: why haven't they gotten divorced? Is this because it's a
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: financial thing and there's financial stuff that we don't know
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: about that they're working on behind the scenes.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: My honest take is it's two things anxiety and control.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: And anxiety and control also are BFFs, and they go
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: hand in hand together, to be honest. But here's here's
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: why I believe this.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Anxiety and control are BFFs.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Wow, Oh yes, because when we have anxiety about something,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: we're like and we're trying it's like you're always trying
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: to maintain control.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: God, that makes so much sense. God, you must be
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: a really good therapist. I mean, not that I didn't
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: know that obviously, but like, that's like that just blew
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: my mind. I never heard it explain like that. That's great.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, my self awareness is great, but it also
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: ruins my life.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Because you can't get away with anything and you're constantly like.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, even with myself. I'm like, I don't get
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: away with shit, even with myself, because it's like Melissa,
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: you know, you're being religious, rude or whatever. You got
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: to do this. It's like, God, damn it, Okay, I know,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: can't I just have a tantrum. No, we can't. We
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: have to be too mature. Oh yeah, sometimes I just
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: want to wild out.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: But wild out this is the place. Come on now,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: all right, go on.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I think that Kathy and Kim and Kyle were raised
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: in an environment where there was a lot of anxiety
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: and a lot of avoidance, and also avoidance and anxiety
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: go hand in hand, and so what I see from
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Kyle is avoidance due to the anxiety of the known
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: and her wanting to maintain control over the family dynamic
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: as she knows it. But what she doesn't realize is
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: the reason why it's hard is because she can't do that.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: You cannot keep this family dynamic together without Mauricio's help.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: So she's trying to do things that aren't hers to do.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: She's trying to do things that she, quite frankly, she
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: can't do. And this is the process that will make
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: us anxious, overwhelmed and just like feeling unable, and also
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: some of the like some of it may be, and
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: an anxious level of like I'm anxious in avoiding this,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: so I don't actually know how I feel about it.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: I think sometimes that's part of it too. She's like,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know when when Bose is asking those questions
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: and facing her with that, I don't know that. She
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: has a lot of people in her life who are
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: helping her look at at like this is how I
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: describe it. As humans, sometimes we like to lay in
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: our pile of garbage because it's comfortable, it's warm, it
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: smells the way that we're used to it smelling, and
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: then someone hands us their hand. We get out of it,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: and we look at it and we think, how did
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: I lay there for so long? And that's kind of
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: anxious avoidance. That's sort of the way that I describe
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: it because she doesn't realize that she could have an
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: amazing life on the other side of this if she
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: just lets go of what doesn't serve her anymore. Wow.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Wow, you know that's just I mean preach, and we
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: want that. We want that for her so badly. We
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: all want to say, like jump off, jump out, and
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: just like live your life. She is she does seem
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: like a very controlling person, you know, and it's just
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: it's it's veiled in such a fun gal that's the thing.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: So like you know what I mean. So that makes
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: it even harder probably for her to even see it
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: and for us to even recognize it because she's just
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: trying to do like all the things and there's no
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: red flags when you're watching it necessarily, like I mean,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: over the course of how many years. I mean, obviously
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: we all have our opinions, but that is that really
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: does make sense now the friends that she does have,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: like outside of reality TV, I do feel like and
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: let's also remember that she lost her best friend. You know.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Oh that's huge, so that has got to have her.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: We we don't talk about that, you know, and I
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: think that's something that that just didn't go away.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: So oh, sure, and Amy is grief begets grief. Meaning
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: so the grief of losing her best friend Lorraine, now
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: that she's losing Mo was also her best friend, I guarantee,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: even if she cannot put words to it, this grief
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: is compounding on that grief and is making the process
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: even harder to resolve or move through in ways that
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: are healthy for her. I think she's a little stuck.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, compartmentalization. I would love for you
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: to even I know we need to move off of Kyle,
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: but I see somebody who's compartmentalizing. So it's like she's
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: trying to do all the things. Go to Nashville, have
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: this whatever the relationship is, but that fulfills her on
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: some level, even if they're not together and they're just
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: in each other's lives whatever that is. And I don't
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: really even care to know. I mean, like, whatever her
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: answer is, it doesn't even matter. What matters is that
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: that this person is really important to her and she
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: needs to have this person in her life. So there
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: she goes, and she is able to celebrate and feel
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: comfortable and happy and joy there, but then comes back
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: to a totally different state and a totally different set
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: of circumstances and then has to like juggle all of this,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: then goes over here and experience. So it's like, when
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: will these two worlds start to level out and merge
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: into where she can get to a stabilized person post divorce.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Right, Because to your point, having those two different worlds
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: is going to create some serious psychological issues for her.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: We can't live two separate lives. That's not sustainable. And
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: I think you know to kind of I know, we
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: want to wrap Kyle up here, But I think what
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: she misunderstands too, is that fans don't necessarily want all
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: the details about her and Morgan. It's not sensational. It's
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: more of like, we want you to be happy. Yeah,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: that's part of you, to find who you are and
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: be emotionally fulfilled and have these amazing things. That's what
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: we want to see from you. We don't want to
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: see these two separate lives one on screen one off screen.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: That feels disingenuous, that feels icky.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: And you know what, I think she tried to integrate
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Morgan into this and then it backfired. So honestly, in
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: her defense, even though she was saying she was doing
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: all the things except for saying it. She was trying
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: to integrate in her way and then and then it
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: just got sucked away for whatever reason. For what you know,
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Morgan didn't want to be on it, and she's denying it,
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: and you know, Andy's asking her. She's saying no, no, no, no,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: or not even answering the question and just saying, well,
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: I didn't choose a TV show over this person, if
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: that's what you're saying, And like the bottom line is
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: I'm here. You know, she's giving these half answers, and really,
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I think that she's like,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: let's talk about the past and how much I've shared
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: and let's just leave it there and let's move on.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: And meanwhile she's also bringing that up with Durret and
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: we can talk about durit now, which is that like
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Durrete is saying, stop bringing up the past, and She's like,
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: but like, there is the past. I think the past
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: and where we've been is so important to Kyle more
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: than it is to some of the people there in
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: that room. They're living in the present, whereas she, I mean,
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: I know she's kind of living in the present, but
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: she is saying like, this is what I've given to
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: this show in the past. Let's look at that. This
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: is Deurit, this is what I've done for you in
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: life on the show, Let's look at that. I mean,
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: it is important to look at the past. But I
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: think what Durita is trying to say is, you know,
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: you didn't come to my picture reveal, and that's what's
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: happening now. But on the flip side, and we'll go,
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: we'll pingpong this back and forth. But I can't get
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: behind Deit. And I also have problems with Kyle, you know,
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: with regard to their relationship. And at the end of
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: the day, I honestly do not think that Kyle likes
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Deria stop period stop. And I think that she's done
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: and was done a long time ago, and it's just annoying.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: And that's kind of like where I land. How about you,
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: I Amy.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: I completely agree with that. I think they're just not
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: that into each other. I think that Moe and p
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: K were real friends, and Deree and Kyle had a
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: friendship of convenience and right and work right coworkers and convenience.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: But I agree that right now they're just not that
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: endto each other. But to your point, I think you
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: made a really important point, which is, you know, Kyle
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: is a little stuck in the past, and that is
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: reiterates what I was saying, is that when we're laying
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: in our own pile of garbage and we have our
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: feet in two worlds, we can be stuck in the
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: past and that doesn't let us be in the present moment.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: So I think that is part of Kyle's issue. But
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Derey is just being an asshole.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest, full full asshole, like twenty just
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: stop being an out for one second, like this entire
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: season into the reunion, full blown assholeness, like stop.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like I understand, Like at first I was
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: supporting dre because it's like what I feel happens is
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: when people free themselves of things that don't serve them,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: they use their voice very loudly, and it's like it's
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: almost overcorrect, right, And we know Durid already likes to
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: talk a lot, so her are using that voice even more,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: my god, louder.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Yes. Sometimes I'm like part of me is kind of
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: I am into it. At times I'm like, yes, to read,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: go to eat, you found that voice. Let's go. I
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: do appreciate that about her.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I wanted to use it.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. It's like, you know that bell, that
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: really annoying bell on selling Sunset that it's so loud.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: It's like the biggest cow bell you've ever seen in
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: your life, you know, ring the bell when you sell
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: a property or you close whatever. And they're also like,
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: oh my god, shaving the bell, shaming the bell like
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: a clunkitty clunk clunk, and it's so faint, but it's
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: still really loud because it's such an huge bell. She
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: is ringing that bell. She was like clinkity clink, and
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: now it's like bampoo, bamp, bamp, and she doesn't stop.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: She is burdened. She is burdened with that bell.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: She's burdened with her own self. She's burdening herself.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, she is burdening herself.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: That's what Kyle's trying to say. But because Kyle's going
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: about it in ways that are counterproductive, and because they
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: don't have a real kinship. If they had a real kinship,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: deit would hear her. But I think Kyle had points
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: and Dereet has points. But Deree is using her voice
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: too much, too loud, She's talking over people, she is
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: not listening. And what I did not like is at
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: the end, because for me, this has been Erica's best
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: reunion that I've ever seen ever.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she showed up, she showed up.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: I'm ready to talk about what happened four seasons ago.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: I'm ready to be transparent and vulnerable, what happened eight
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: eight hundred years ago.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Literally, And it's like, okay, well, better late than ever,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: and thank you for joining the show, Thank you right right,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: this is all we've ever wanted from you. So I
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: but I think that like when Erica is saying, you know,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Erica doesn't love easily or often, but she did love Derea,
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: And when Durite saying you used me for a storyline,
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: and Erica lost her mind, and then like Andy's like, well, Durit,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: do you want to apologize? And She's like for what, Andy,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: And it's like for what, what do you mean? So
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: that's that's the problem. It's like Derey is doing too much,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Kyle is doing too much. Erica is the only one
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: in this who I think is keeping it calm, cool
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: and collected and trying to have Dura hear her, but
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Dury isn't capable of hearing anyone or anything. And it's
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: just like it's enough already. She needs to understand that
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: she does not have the most important voice in that
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: room that other people deserve to talk and she needs
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: to cool it.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: She's cool, she needs to cool it, Yeah, because at
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: this point, it's it's a it's a wrap on Dereit
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: and Kyle, and that's you know, part and partial to
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Durit not having any chill, okay, And I'm like, look,
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: you can be going through a tough time I'm in
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: your life, like the hardest time, and you can have
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: moments of chill, not one glimpse of chill to be
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: able to hear anybody. And then like they got off
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: I think I said this last week, but they really
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: got off on the wrong foot when Kyle did not understand,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: Like Kyle didn't get it when Derey did have that
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: first breakdown at the beginning of the season where she
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: was freaking out about her kids and pque and stuff
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: like that, and Kyle was like, well, I mean, PK
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: maybe like he's like for the greatest maybe he's like
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: the greatest husband, you know, I mean, I'm kidding, but
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: she just didn't. Her timing was so off and the
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: things that she said were not the best things to
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: say for that moment. And I understood at times what
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: she was trying to get at, but like she was
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: phoning in any kind of empathy and that just really
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: screwed things up, and then we could not bounce back
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: from there, and Durrey just like took it.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, Deree, Right now she's just burning all the
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: bridges where she's like if you don't hear me the
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: first time, fuck.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: You, yeah, and that.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: But that's not healthy, right, Like, that's not healthy at
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: all because people are human and humans make mistakes and
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: all we can do is own that. Like, to repair relationships,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: you have to have three concepts. You have to have
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: awareness to understand your role, you have to acknowledge it,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: and then you have to talk about what am I
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: going to do different next time? Those are really kind
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: of the three major components for repairing a relational rupture,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: and neither of them are capable of either any of them.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, because you never saw either one of them. Really,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: like take a second and be like, okay, hold on
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: a second, Deree. I honestly do love you, and I'm
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: really sorry. I know I may have said things. Is
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: there any way we can possibly possibly please? I'm like
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: begging you. You never saw that like humility and love,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: you know who?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: You saw that with Erica Erica. That is why I
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: think that Dereet has She's she didn't make a mistake
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: with Kyle, because I don't think that relationship is authentic.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: But she did make a mistake with Erica. Erica was like, Deree,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: I love you, I know that I've done some things
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: I want you to hear. Like, in my opinion, Erica
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: did that, and but Dereet was so blinded by her anger,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: like because she.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: Thought that she was like on a team with Kyle.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: She kept saying that, you know, like your issue with me,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: Erica has nothing to do with me. It's because you
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: want to team up with Kyle. Like That's what she
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: was ultimately saying, which was so absurd.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: It is absurd because it's like if you put down
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: your sword long enough to hear your friend, Erica is
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: trying to tell you you've wounded her gravely. She loves you,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: but now you're letting your anger for Kyle blind you
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: and you're put her and Erica together, and now you're
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: destroying that relationship too. Like Deurite has no idea how
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: wrong she is. And you know that's a shame because
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: you can't grow until you're able to say, Okay, here's
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: how I messed up, and here's what I need to
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: do different. She can't just continue to blame everybody else
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: and burn bridges. That's that way lies madness.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And by the way, we do have like
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: we do have to talk about Amanda before we before
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: we wrap if her package was bamboozle. Sorry, her package
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: was steamrolled by the rest of the cast, which was
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: pretty funny.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: She was like, guys, it's my package. Pay attention, and
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: we're like everyone's like.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, okay, like okay, but also her being
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: like at one point I saw that back and I
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: was like, I don't have any regrets about it. In fact,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: I felt even better about what I said. I was like,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: oh my god, what I have to say is that
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: I just I really did hate like when we picked
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: up at the beginning with Erica and everybody really just
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: slamming her business again and again and again. I'm just like,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: you guys, you really need to get over it. Like
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: you're calling it a cult, and I have yet to
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: see your proof. Not a one of you has come
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: with a receipt, a timeline, or a screenshot to this
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: reunion or throughout the season telling me why exactly this
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: is a cult and how she's hurting people. So shut up.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: You know. It's really annoying, and it just it just
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: seems like mean girly when they start going down that path.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: And I'm not here to say I agree with whatever
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: it is that she's doing. It's not even about that.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: Quite frankly, I don't like having to sit here and
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: be like step off of Amanda, but it is, you know,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: because I sit here and I'm like, I I roll
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: all day. But like, seriously, you know you guys are
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: so they're very shallow when it comes to this Bose's
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: point about her business. I did see what she was saying,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: and it did sound like a major miscommunication Amanda thought,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: and she still doesn't get it. She thought that she
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: heard I'm losing money. I think what bos was saying
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: is if she was in it for money, she would
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: be losing money because that's not what it's about for her,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: and she just did not get it, and so now
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: here we gott to waste time bozas to explain to
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: Amanda from A to Z you know, basically put on
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: a PowerPoint presentation as to this is what's different about
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: what I am doing? And Amanda's toll like, h she's
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: not quite getting it. What are your thoughts? Where we
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: landed with the Amanda package with reunion too well.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: To be honest, I had a hard time watching it
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: because I had takacardia waiting to see if they would
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: use my post, which they didn't, which was, oh.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: That's right, you were, but hold on, it's we still
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: have no other person.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: So here's the thing the post. And for people who
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: don't know what I'm talking about, I was contacted by
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: producer production from Beverly Hills that they had looked at
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: taking a screenshot on my post. Created a post to
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: you have used Andy used at the reunion as part
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: of quote unquote the creative. I gave permission. I was
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: like in episode two, like aut Amanda's package, literally flap sweating,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: full on tacocardia, like just what is I just could
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: not focus. I'm being honest about that, but it's possible
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: that they could use it in the third episode, but
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: it was about Amanda kind of weaponiz like two things
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: being true, that the anniversary of her son's death was hard,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: and she also used it to get out of a
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: hard conversation, like talking about the duality of two things
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: can be true. So my feeling is that they would
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: have used it when they were talking.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: About right right.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, so they're probably not going to use which find
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: their loss because it was a great point. But anyway,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: I do think that Amanda what I can appreciate. It's
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: like she was able to hear things and own things
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: in a way that I did appreciate when people were like,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: you're wrong about this, and she's like, Okay, yes I
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: need to apologize. That was pretty cool. But to your point,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: when you are all out here making me defend Amanda,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: we have problems.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, don't mean that means you're doing something wrong.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, you're doing something wrong because Amanda is I think
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: one of Boza's points, which is real, is that Amanda
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: was like, I try to teach women how to think
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: for themselves, and it's like, you don't you get your
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: friends and family and everyone you know to pay for
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: your courses to teach them what you think about manifesting
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: money and wanting to do it your way and having
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: your own exercises. You're doing the opposite of teaching people
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: to think for themselves. You are saying. Amanda is saying,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: I'm the product, right. I left my PhD program in
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: psychology to do this, like to be able to have
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: this business where it's like more wishy washy and less rules,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: And that's always a red flag to me. That's a
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: huge red flag. She went and she got her master's degree,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: she got a license, and then she was in graduate
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: school and she stopped doing that to do this business.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: So for me, huge red flags. She's definitely teaching people
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: be like me because I manifested my life from being
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: in a cult to now being a Malibu Barbie. And
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: if you want to have my life, then I'm going
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: to tell you how to do it. That's her product,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: and so I understand why people have problems with that,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: because what is that That's like I could easily right
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: now be like, oh, well, you all think I'm fabulous.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: We'll sign up for this and we'll talk. We'll have
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: an hour zoom session and I'll teach you how to
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: be just like me, I'd be rich overnight. Well I
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: mean literally people would sign up for that.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: But okay, not I have to I have to push
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: back because I guess I'm not really getting that in
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: the sense that when I look at all of the
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: people out there that have businesses based on self help,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: other people who are trying to lead by example, how
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: is that are those Are you saying that those are
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: also in the same camp.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no. Well, first
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: of all, I'm not like a lot of these people
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: that you're talking about, Like Mel Robbins.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: She's Mel Robin's perfect.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, but she and she's terrible. Mel Robins
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: stole to let them theory. She stole it. I'm not kidding.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: If you don't know that, no, I don't know.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not joking. Mel Robbins let them theory is not hers.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: She stole it, and she chopped it up into bite
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: sized bits, leaving out the most important part of the thing,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: which is let me. It's let them and then let me.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: And there's two parts of the theory. Who came up
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: to a further episode on this author Cassie.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: Phillips, Wow, my aunt, damn it.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: I follow her on Instagram, I tag her all the time.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: Robin stuffs, I'm sorry, but has there been a lawsuit
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: or no.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: That I'm not sure. I imagine probably not because she's
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: just like a regular galon Mel Robbins has like a
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: million high powered people behind.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: Her, right and right. Okay, So anyway, to your.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: Point, it's a very valid one. Leading by example is
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: a beautiful thing. But leading by example and then giving
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: somebody a product or something to work on or something
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: to achieve is another important part of that. It's not
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: just in my opinion, right, It's not just look at
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: me and all these amazing things I'm doing and I'm
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: manifesting this and just do what I'm doing. Right to me,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: there's a difference between leading by example and that. But
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: also I may not be right, and this is certainly
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: just my opinion, and so I completely see other pieces
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: of that.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: She's not necessarily leading by example. Her program is different
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: in that what she's taking advantage of people because this
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: is where I need somebody to close the loop for me.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me try to close the loop. From what
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: I see. What I feel like Bose and everyone else
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: is saying, is that her. The product she's selling is
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: her herself saying here's how you manifest money. There's no
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: actual and again, like Sutton said, she was going to
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: be like a mole in the program to see what
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: it actually was, because I think the problem is there's
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: so much ambiguity around it that it is hard to fully.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: Under Yet that's what's tough, because people are speaking out
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: of turn because they don't actually know what it is, right,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: and aman is.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: Not being super clear about it either, because she's just
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: like going on me more facts and figures. People ninety
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: eight percent come back murmur and it's like that's not right.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, I agree with that.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: So at some point we got to let this woman
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: do what she's going to do, live her life, because
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: Amanda deserves to be successful and good. I hope she is.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: My opinion is that she's selling the product that's her.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: She's saying, you want to be successful, I'm going to
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: teach you. I'm going to coach you how to do
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: the things that I did to manifest this, and I'm
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: going to do it. There is one lane to do it,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: and it's through through this. Whereas other things or approaches,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: like with psychology, for example, and its apples and oranges.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: But it's like, okay, so to get to this goal,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: there's a million different ways to do it. You don't
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: just have to do it the one way. But like,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: do you remember that scene where Amanda was trying to
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: get the ladies to do her exercise and she was
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: mad that they wouldn't do it her way. That's what
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: I mean. You're a business owner. If you're trying to
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: teach people something, then you have to be resourceful and pivot.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: And it's not just one trick pony. This is what
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: you do, and this is all I know how to do. Right.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: You have to assess someone, see what's going to work
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: for them, and then do a treatment plan accordingly, so
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: to speak. So I know it's a lot. It's very confusing.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: That's just my thought on.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, people don't.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, what it
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: seems more like that people have a problem with just
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: her than what she's actually doing in her business, to
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: be honest, because it's like people just don't She doesn't
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  Speaker 2: come across genuine. You don't really trust her. She seems
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  Speaker 2: pretty fake and she doesn't speak out of passion. Like
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: you said, she speaks out of facts and figures, and
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  Speaker 2: so that's why nothing about it is attractive. Whereas I'm
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  Speaker 2: and I'm compartmentalizing because I'm going, I don't see anything
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  Speaker 2: wrong with what she's doing, because it's just like any
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  Speaker 2: old you know, any Facebook page or Instagram account that
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: I'm following, that's that's telling just trying to tell me
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  Speaker 2: how they live life. So here's their advice. But I
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  Speaker 2: think what's the biggest problem is that people just aren't
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  Speaker 2: that into her, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, and there we had and now we.
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  Speaker 2: See and now we said it. I'm saying, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 2: but it you know, and then it becomes extremely unattractive,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: and then it seems like a scam, and maybe it is,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: but I need to know it seems like a scam
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  Speaker 2: because she's so disingenuous. That's part of what I think.
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  Speaker 2: But I would love to see more about what it
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  Speaker 2: is so that we could actually be speaking from a
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  Speaker 2: platform of like understanding.
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  Speaker 1: That's so fair, that's such a fair point.
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  Speaker 2: But all right, is there anything else that we should
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  Speaker 2: discuss about the reunion before we move on and before
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  Speaker 2: we close.
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  Speaker 1: Us yes, yes, So I had two short points that
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  Speaker 1: it really stood out to me. Is that Number one
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer Tilly when they showed her talking about Sutton to Kyle,
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  Speaker 1: she said a couple of things that I was like,
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  Speaker 1: this woman is so amazing. So do you remember when
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  Speaker 1: she told Kyle she was upset with Sutton and she
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: said those things to Kyle. We watched Jennifer Tilly sincerely
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  Speaker 1: own her shit, apologize no butts and just said I
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  Speaker 1: love you. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have done that. And
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  Speaker 1: she what she said, which was so brave to me,
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  Speaker 1: She said, I had a horrible childhood and I have
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  Speaker 1: trigger points.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. That hit me. Oh my god, I could. I
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: did not expect that from her to say that, right.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And it makes sense because people who usually have
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of childhood trauma, they tend to be people
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  Speaker 1: who use a lot of hugh. They tend to be
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: people who are so kind and loving. Oh thank you.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: Don't forget Amy, I'm talking about me.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I know. I was just gonna say, I'm
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: looking we're looking at each other. Gun, Oh, we.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: See each other, amy each other. And so I think
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  Speaker 1: for her to bring up that this is an example
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  Speaker 1: where Jennifer Tilly was triggered because she was upset because
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: Sutton was. Sutton can be very mean and very harsh,
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  Speaker 1: and as someone who lived a childhood where people treated
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: me very badly, that would trigger me too, And so
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: I appreciated Jennifer saying I own it, I apologize, here's
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: why I reacted this way, which was totally appropriate, and
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: I'm working on doing that. And when she said trigger points,
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  Speaker 1: I just felt that was so brave because people, you know,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: being triggered isn't just being upset. Being triggered is a
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: physiological response that involves neuropathways, neurology, biology, physiology. It is
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: a major thing, and when you're triggered, that's very real.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: So I loved that she said that owned that, and
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: she to me, top to your housewife, I want her
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: to be just like forever.
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  Speaker 2: I talked you and you know what too, we know
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: that that wasn't the first conversation they had about it.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: That was, you know, and they it's probably so much
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: deeper where they've had a conversation many times about maybe
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: even like Sutton maybe even said to her, I've stopped drinking,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: you know, part and partial because of how I've acted
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: towards you in the past, and I don't want to
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: do that. Maybe Jennifer has even sat down with her
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: and said, I don't think that you should be doing
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  Speaker 2: this during the afternoon. I mean, I can because I
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: don't lose my shit, but you shouldn't sat And I'm
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: saying this with love, you know, like there could have
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  Speaker 2: been that.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and you know, it's so funny. That was the
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  Speaker 1: other The only other thing that I want to mention
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: was Sutton kind of talking about how her alcohol use.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Andy was like, do you think you had
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: a problem, and she she was like, she would have
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: said that it was a problem. Right.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: Kyle was like.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Right, which back to my point is that usually means yes.
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  Speaker 1: But she you know, listen, I worked in impatient rehab
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: long enough to know when people have unhealthy relationships with alcohol.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: But sometimes they're just not as comfortable saying yes, I'm absolutely,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: I'm this, yes I'm that. But what I appreciate Sutton
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: was able to say, you know what, it created issues
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  Speaker 1: for me. There was an unhealthy relationship. I took a break,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: and I'm now being more moderate and intentional, and that
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  Speaker 1: I a thousand percent support.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, a thousand, a million applause, And I love that
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: we had that moment for her. I mean it was great.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: And then the ri thing will never know because of
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: all the NDAs and all the paperwork that went between
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: the two of them. So that's that, you know, I mean,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: that will never come to light.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: Never.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: The Ebantine file is in its the Epstein files, in
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: its entirety, unredacted from beginning to end, will come out
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: before we find out what happened to Jean Suttoninari. And
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: that's the facts. You heard it here first, Yeah, you
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: sure did first. Yeah, Okay, Amy, this has been so
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: so so wonderful.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: My god, we could do this for ten more hours.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: I love talking to you.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: I love talking to you. Amazing conversation. Thanks so great.
• 1:19:25
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• 1:19:34
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• 1:19:37
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• 1:19:40
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• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, and you can find your besch Therapist. The podcast
• 1:19:50
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• 1:19:53
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• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: It's on cracking up. In there, we do chats, we
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: do zooms just like you do. You guys do book club.
• 1:20:02
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• 1:20:05
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• 1:20:08
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• 1:20:10
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• 1:20:17
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• 1:20:19
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• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, Patreon is actually killing it lately. I'm really enjoying
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: the platform I joined three years ago. I'm coming up
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: on my third year anniversary here at Drama Darling. May
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: fifth Sinko de myo is my third year anniversary. Can
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: you believe it?
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: Like I should sing to you Amy, happy bird.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: Darling, Please sing it like Luan the Countess.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: I can't. I haven't smoked enough during my life to
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: get that.
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  Speaker 2: For Yeah, so I'll have to figure out if I
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: don't get jury duty then I will be doing something,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: probably but if I don't. If I do, I'll probably
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: postpone it until June. But anyway, yes, please keep.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: Ust posted Amy, good luck girl, good luck, thank you,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: thank you, thanks for listening to you, guys.
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  Speaker 2: Bye, thank you everyone. Bye,