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Steve Price | 15 May · Steve Price

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  Speaker 1: Live.
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  Speaker 2: This is Steve Price.
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  Speaker 1: Good earning, Welcome to the show. Steve Price with you.
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  Speaker 1: And just when you thought your political week couldn't get
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  Speaker 1: any worse, Australia's worst state government and by the worst
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  Speaker 1: ever premier uses Friday afternoon to announce that Daniel Andrews
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  Speaker 1: is not only going to get a statue as long tipped,
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  Speaker 1: but it's being made as we speak. I'm not kidding.
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  Speaker 1: The bloke who locked Victorians down harder and longer than
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  Speaker 1: anywhere else in the world will be struck in bronze
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  Speaker 1: at the cost of one hundred and thirty four thousand,
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  Speaker 1: three hundred and four dollars, as reported late today by
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  Speaker 1: The Herald Sun. A slap in the face for every Victorian,
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  Speaker 1: and a sick joke being played on a cash strap
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  Speaker 1: Victoria and a permanent insult to us all I'll talk
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  Speaker 1: to Senior Liberal Bed MacArthur up shortly Victorian Premier speaking
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  Speaker 1: of the Victorian Premier to center, Allen squeezes another three
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  Speaker 1: eight hundred million dollars of your taxes out of Prime
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  Speaker 1: Minister Alban Easy, a fellow socialist left politician, the money
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  Speaker 1: pit that is the suburban rail loop and Liberal leader
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  Speaker 1: in the Upper House. Ben maccarthurre talk to us about
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  Speaker 1: that as well. Also tonight, the generational war being waged
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  Speaker 1: by the Albanezy government to hit the elderly in one
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  Speaker 1: area they can't afford to skimp on, and that's private
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  Speaker 1: health insurance. Details with the Council on the Aging. Plus
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  Speaker 1: British Prime Minister Sekeir Starmer hanging on to his leadership
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  Speaker 1: by his fingernails. Will get an update from Adrian Hayes.
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  Speaker 1: Plus you won't believe how much it's costing to maintain
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  Speaker 1: each year the empty Mickelham Quarantine Center. But first up tonight,
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  Speaker 1: the headline in The Australian Today on page one summed
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  Speaker 1: up the week in politics. It screamed income tax war.
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  Speaker 1: And that's exactly what Australians now find themselves right in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of. You have to wonder, though, how many
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  Speaker 1: working Australians struggling to top up their Middle East war
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  Speaker 1: ravaged petrol tanks, grapple with a third straight interest rate
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  Speaker 1: rise on their home loans and pay for inflated supermarket prices,
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  Speaker 1: whether they pay much at ten men to what camera
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  Speaker 1: is actually doing to them. A mood of shoulder shrugging.
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  Speaker 1: What can we actually do about increasing taxes and decreasing
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  Speaker 1: services anyway? And it's this that's driving voters in ever
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  Speaker 1: increasing numbers, I believe, into the arms of One Nation. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Morgan Pole came out overnight. Now this was conducted over
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  Speaker 1: the phone, and it was done after Tuesday night's budget
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  Speaker 1: attack on negative gearing and capital gains tax changes. It
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  Speaker 1: has One Nation polling higher than even the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 1: Now you have to read into the numbers instant anger.
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  Speaker 1: There's no other excuse. There's no federal election for just
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  Speaker 1: under two years and there's plenty can change. But with
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  Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson's party polling a primary number of thirty two
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  Speaker 1: percent to Labour's twenty eight point five, it's no longer
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  Speaker 1: a question of who are really the opposition. It's One Nation,
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  Speaker 1: I mean the coalition primary. In that same poll, two
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  Speaker 1: party preferred they were on forty five percent to One
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  Speaker 1: Nation's forty nine. And when asked about the job Anthony
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  Speaker 1: Albanezi was doing, fifty nine percent of people said they're
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  Speaker 1: not happy and who would be. This poll came before
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  Speaker 1: last night's budget replied speech by the opposition leader Angus Taylor,
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  Speaker 1: which I suspect was watched by hardly anyone who's not
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  Speaker 1: politically engaged. Taylor's attack lines were slick and well rehearsed,
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  Speaker 1: but as the Prime Minister pointed out today, he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: believe the Liberal leader is being taken seriously.
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  Speaker 3: Angus Taylor has no solutions. You come up with a
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  Speaker 3: whole range of things without any costings. They can't be
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  Speaker 3: taken seriously. And Angus Taylor isn't taken seriously by his
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  Speaker 3: own party.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think Anthon Alberaniz has been taken seriously either,
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  Speaker 1: And if you look at those poll numbers I mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: that's probably from Albanizi and accurate statement. But you can
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  Speaker 1: tell the Prime Minister and his strategy team are now
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  Speaker 1: so worried about one nation themselves that at every chance
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  Speaker 1: they will try and claim that one nation a just
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  Speaker 1: a dangerous bunch from the hard right and the treasure.
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  Speaker 3: I'll say more about the chaos that is the three
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  Speaker 3: ring circus of the coalition, the Liberals and Nationals and
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  Speaker 3: one nation all competing against each other, drifting Australia further
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  Speaker 3: and further down the hard right agenda.
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  Speaker 1: The hard right agenda as opposed I guess from Anthony
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  Speaker 1: Albaneze's hard left agenda that they are in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of a wealth redistribution policy, determined to attack anyone who's
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  Speaker 1: worked hard all their lives, built a small nest egg
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  Speaker 1: that might include some property. And I am seriously concerned that,
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  Speaker 1: despite their denials, the family home and its tax free
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  Speaker 1: status is on the agenda somewhere somehow. The words death
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  Speaker 1: tax are being thrown around. Angus Taylor last night did
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  Speaker 1: his best to reset himself and his Liberal Party by
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  Speaker 1: attacking Labour's budget a.
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  Speaker 4: Waste that Labor has been accumulating on all of these
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  Speaker 4: programs that are achieving nothing. Corporate welfare, are housing programs
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  Speaker 4: that's supporting multinationals.
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  Speaker 1: This climate ideology, the net zero.
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  Speaker 4: Authority, it can all goe, it can all go and
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  Speaker 4: those saves should be used to prevent the tax hikes
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  Speaker 4: that Labor is proposing. The reason they're going for these
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  Speaker 4: tax hikes, the reason they're embedding sharply rising income tax
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  Speaker 4: rates in their budget is because they've run out of
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  Speaker 4: money and they're coming after Australian's money.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Taylor's planned to limit what he called Australian citizens
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  Speaker 1: accessing benefits like the NDIS and childcare payments. It's opened
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  Speaker 1: up the door for a labor scare campaign of course
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  Speaker 1: that will be aimed at the Coalition all the way
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  Speaker 1: to the next election. Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke, well,
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  Speaker 1: he took the opportunity to link that policy to Taylor
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  Speaker 1: and One Nation.
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  Speaker 5: There's a whole lot of proud Australian there. Somehow tell
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  Speaker 5: them that they're less worthy is a pretty horrific claim
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  Speaker 5: to make, it would it would be fair to say,
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  Speaker 5: I think that the one permanent resident that Angus Taylor
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  Speaker 5: seems happy with is Pauline Hanson, who's a permanent resident
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  Speaker 5: in his head.
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  Speaker 1: The link Taylor and n Pauline all the way to
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  Speaker 1: led to the next election. So the battle lines are drawn.
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  Speaker 1: But the days of Liberal national and Labor Greens, well
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  Speaker 1: they've been blown up by One Nation and there's still
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  Speaker 1: a Victorian state election to come in six months watch
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  Speaker 1: this space. As I mentioned the start of the program,
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  Speaker 1: a Friday afternoon slap in the face for every hard
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  Speaker 1: working Victorian and a permanent bronze reminder of Dictator Dan
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  Speaker 1: Andrews in the form of a six figure sum being
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  Speaker 1: shoveled into building a statue of the bloke, I kid,
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  Speaker 1: you're not what a joke. Liberal leader in the Upper
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  Speaker 1: House and shadow Minster for Local Government and Small Business,
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  Speaker 1: Beav MacArthur joins us in the studio you make of
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  Speaker 1: that statue?
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  Speaker 6: Well, Steve, this just shows the absolute sheer competent to
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  Speaker 6: contempt this government has for the people of Victoria, the
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  Speaker 6: taxpayers of Victoria.
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  Speaker 7: To announce on a Friday afternoon.
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  Speaker 6: That we're going to put this statue up of Dan
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  Speaker 6: is disgraceful and contemptible.
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  Speaker 7: And what we.
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  Speaker 6: Would ask is what are they going to spend on
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  Speaker 6: security to keep it safe.
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  Speaker 7: And not vandalized?
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  Speaker 1: Because where they get the money to spend on it
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  Speaker 1: in the first place, Well, brow one hundred and thirty
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  Speaker 1: four thousand.
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  Speaker 6: Dollars absolutely paying a million dollars an hour and interest
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  Speaker 6: a couple of nurses for that exactly. And it goes
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  Speaker 6: with the two hundred thousand dollars they spend on pot plants.
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  Speaker 6: And we're now going to have seven thousand spent on
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  Speaker 6: artwork of a tunnel machine that'll be buried once it's
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  Speaker 6: no longer used, and thirteen million on machete bins which
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  Speaker 6: don't seem to have taken machetes off the street.
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  Speaker 7: Steve.
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  Speaker 1: I guess we've got Jeff Kennett to blame for this,
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  Speaker 1: because he was the one who came up with this
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  Speaker 1: crazy idea that if you serve three hundred days, you're
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  Speaker 1: going to get a statue bill for He didn't get
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  Speaker 1: one for himself, as Henry Baldy and John Kine Jr.
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  Speaker 1: And others. But the government, you would think if they
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  Speaker 1: had any common sense and any thoughts for the way
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  Speaker 1: the Victorians feel at the moment, Bev, they would have
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  Speaker 1: just shilled that idea.
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  Speaker 6: Well you think so, But obviously Dan wants a statue
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  Speaker 6: of himself and they're going to proceed, and he's best
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  Speaker 6: friend Jacindra Allen's.
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  Speaker 7: Going to make sure it happens.
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  Speaker 1: Only people happy with this will be the pigeons. I
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  Speaker 1: would reckon. You represent the Western region of Victoria. You're
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  Speaker 1: from the Western district, yourself, One Nation? What you get
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  Speaker 1: around your electorate a lot? I know around your region
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  Speaker 1: a lot. What are you hearing about support for one
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  Speaker 1: nation in places like where you live?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I understand people are very angry. People are angry
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  Speaker 6: with a government that cheats, treats them with sheer contempt that.
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  Speaker 6: You know, we've got everything out of control. Roads that
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  Speaker 6: you can't drive on, they're unsafe. We've got people on
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  Speaker 6: hospital ramps.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to fix a pot.
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  Speaker 7: Of Yeah, well that's not going to happen.
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  Speaker 6: All we get is a slowdown sign in Western Victoria
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  Speaker 6: and we've got Highway one running through Western Victoria.
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  Speaker 7: It's a disgrace at your head.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but we've doubled the emergency services attacks on volunteers.
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  Speaker 7: People are very angry about what's happening. On top of that,
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  Speaker 7: we've got.
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  Speaker 6: Transmission lines crisscrossing the countryside and absolute sheer contempt for
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  Speaker 6: the people.
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  Speaker 1: And does that anger push people toward one nation or
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  Speaker 1: do they pushing toward the Liberal Party and the National Party.
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  Speaker 6: Well, the only way we're going to get rid of
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  Speaker 6: this labor government is to vote Liberal.
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  Speaker 7: You're going to have a choice come November.
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  Speaker 6: You can either vote for Jess Wilson or Jacinda Allen,
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  Speaker 6: and I suggest you vote for Jess Wilson. If you
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  Speaker 6: think that the labor government have done you very badly,
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  Speaker 6: which they have, then that's how you get rid of labor.
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  Speaker 7: And that's what we have to do. Labor are our enemy.
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  Speaker 1: If you had to rely on one nation to form government,
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  Speaker 1: would you.
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  Speaker 7: Look, my enemy is a Labor party. Every day.
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  Speaker 1: I make sure the Victorian's enemy is the Labor Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: It's the only way to get rid of them is
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  Speaker 1: to have a combination of national, Liberal and one nation.
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  Speaker 1: Surely that's where you should go.
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  Speaker 6: Well, we'll make sure that we have the best opportunity
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  Speaker 6: to get rid of the Labor government in any way
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  Speaker 6: we can steve.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that leaves the door open.
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  Speaker 6: But you know what, in the Upper House recently we've
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  Speaker 6: had great success with the cross Bench. After all, they
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  Speaker 6: unanimously supported our motion for a Royal Commission into the
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  Speaker 6: CFMEU corruption. They supported our Private member's bill into extra
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  Speaker 6: power for IBACK to follow the money so we can
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  Speaker 6: get some of that fifteen billion dollars back.
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  Speaker 7: In the pocket.
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  Speaker 6: We're not going to have hard working well, not under
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  Speaker 6: this government, but under a liberal government you will.
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  Speaker 7: You'll get that first up.
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  Speaker 1: Six billion dollars now of Australian taxpayer's money already shoveled
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  Speaker 1: into the suburban rail loop. With an election coming up
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  Speaker 1: in November, and with the connection between the socialist left
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  Speaker 1: Prime Minister and the socialist left premiere. You expect that
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  Speaker 1: he's going to continue to try and save just into
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  Speaker 1: Allen's backside and get her re elected by dishing money
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  Speaker 1: out for projects like that.
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  Speaker 7: Well, it seems the other states are not happy about this.
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  Speaker 7: Steve not happy at all.
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  Speaker 1: South Wales is filthy about it.
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  Speaker 6: And what's more, I don't think virtually anybody in Victoria
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  Speaker 6: outside the outside that suburban.
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  Speaker 7: Rail loops happy either because they're not going to use it.
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  Speaker 6: But extraordinary that we have got a situation where now
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  Speaker 6: they're going to spend over seven thousand dollars on artwork
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  Speaker 6: on the tunnel boaring machine that will be buried in
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  Speaker 6: the ground at the completion of the works.
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  Speaker 1: Look, well I wrote about that in a for our
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  Speaker 1: national audience. If they don't know, there's two giant boring machines. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to drill these two big tunnels between Cheltenham
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  Speaker 1: and box Hill. Yeah. And on the front of them
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  Speaker 1: they've paid an indigenous artist. I think it's fifteen hundred
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  Speaker 1: dollars seven and a half thousand to paint indigenous paintings
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  Speaker 1: on the front of the things that grill into the rock.
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  Speaker 1: The drawings will be gone in today.
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  Speaker 6: It's unbelievable how this government can waste money, waste taxpayers money.
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  Speaker 7: When everybody in Victoria is suffering.
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  Speaker 6: And a cost of living crisis, a so called housing
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  Speaker 6: crisis which is of their own making.
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  Speaker 7: They can't put bread on the table, and.
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  Speaker 6: They can't get a bed in a hospital, they can't
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  Speaker 6: get their roads fixed. But we can waste money in
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  Speaker 6: all these areas. It's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: Treasure of Simes, Jacqueline Simes tells us that we've got
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  Speaker 1: a surplus. Now when you dig into that, this is
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  Speaker 1: this Loto deal, This thing stinks. I mean it's a
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  Speaker 1: forty year deal for Lotto to have a lotto license
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  Speaker 1: in Victoria and coincidentally that's where we get the surplus from.
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  Speaker 7: Well, we ask questions.
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  Speaker 6: I asked questions of the Responsible Minister in the Chamber
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  Speaker 6: of the last week and he couldn't answer the questions.
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  Speaker 7: But we did manage with the cross bench.
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  Speaker 6: Support to have a document's motion passed which will call
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  Speaker 6: for every document, every memo, every communication relating to.
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  Speaker 7: This deal to be released.
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  Speaker 6: Now, they're not usually good at answering out releasing documents
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  Speaker 6: because this is the secret society state as well.
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  Speaker 7: Steve Apart from the corrupt state and.
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  Speaker 6: The lawlessness, lawlessness state, it's the secret state.
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  Speaker 7: But you know the cross Bench support does on this.
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  Speaker 6: We want the information and if they've got nothing to hide,
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  Speaker 6: produce the information.
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  Speaker 7: Victorian tax payers deserve it.
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  Speaker 1: Do they have to provide that material?
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  Speaker 6: They are, they can sit on it. But we're getting
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  Speaker 6: very frustrated in the Legislative Council because the government. We
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  Speaker 6: call for documents motions happen every sitting week, two documents
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  Speaker 6: motions from the crossbension from us and they're refusing to
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  Speaker 6: supply information. There's always something about confidentiality, or they haven't
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  Speaker 6: got time, or it's too much information required. But the
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  Speaker 6: time is close coming where we can actually call the
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  Speaker 6: Leader of the Chamber into account for this, and that
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  Speaker 6: could well be very soon.
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  Speaker 1: Be a fascinating rud Be MacArthur. Thanks for coming into
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  Speaker 1: the studio for us. Thanks Steve Okay. Let's go to
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  Speaker 1: the UK now and Saki Stama the British PM. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: his future as UK Prime Minister well appears to be doomed.
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  Speaker 1: Labour's most popular politician Block I Am, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: I've never heard of, made a power move following the
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  Speaker 1: party's bloodbath at those local elections. There's a bit to
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  Speaker 1: unwrap here. Firstly a senior cabinet minister a step down,
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  Speaker 1: then an MP resigned in a key electric and then
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  Speaker 1: thirdly Labour's most popular politician, this bloke, Andy Burnham, made
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  Speaker 1: a major move that could see him challenge Sir Key
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  Speaker 1: for that job. Scotte's contributor Friday Night regular Adrian Hayes
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  Speaker 1: joins us. Adrian, what do we know about this Burnham character?
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  Speaker 1: Who is he and where is he?
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  Speaker 8: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Andy Burnham, the King of the North. That's what he's started.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what's going on. I've got it to say, Steve,
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  Speaker 2: you know, got all the fact all the sort of
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  Speaker 2: a hallmarks of John le Carr novel plotting, factions, due blisteredness,
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  Speaker 2: power struggles a lot, it's an absolute carnage. But Andy Burnham,
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  Speaker 2: he is the mayor of Greater Manchester area, popular guy
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  Speaker 2: to a degree. He has got a bit of the
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  Speaker 2: common touch about him, does connect with people. And all
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  Speaker 2: the other big guns of the cabinet. You mentioned Wes
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  Speaker 2: Street in the health sectory, which none of all of
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  Speaker 2: youers will have heard because there are no big guns
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  Speaker 2: in the cabinet. But he is now putting this hit
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  Speaker 2: all the eggs on this big by election that's going
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  Speaker 2: to take place in the next sort of eight weeks
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  Speaker 2: or so to try and get him back into Parliament,
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  Speaker 2: to dethrone Kirstarmer and lead the Labor Party to a
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  Speaker 2: glorious victory in the coming election three year time.
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  Speaker 1: That's the plot. So he hasn't got a seat, He's
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  Speaker 1: got to win this by election and then he would
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  Speaker 1: be inside the Parliament able to challenge. I mean, one
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  Speaker 1: of our guests on a Friday night is Campbell Newman,
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  Speaker 1: who in Queensland back when set himself up to become
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  Speaker 1: the Premier of Queensland before he got a seat, but
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  Speaker 1: ultimately then won a seat and was the Premier of
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  Speaker 1: Queen's Land. So this sort of stuff ken work is
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  Speaker 1: there genuinely like this bloke Burrham. I mean, how did
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  Speaker 1: that region Adrian vote in those council elections.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're talking a region called the Red Wall. They
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  Speaker 2: voted reform that by an overwhelming majority. Now this is
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  Speaker 2: a the bi election as a place called Maccafield. It's
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  Speaker 2: a Lancastian. Lancastians don't talk politeness. They speak as it
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  Speaker 2: is and The danger to Burnham's you know, plot for
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  Speaker 2: power is that Reform may well win this seat. Nigel
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  Speaker 2: Farage is going to be putting his whole eggs into
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  Speaker 2: this by election to try and dethrone them the plans
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  Speaker 2: of kit of Andy Burnham. Ironically, you've got Keir Starmer
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  Speaker 2: and Nigel Pharage probably wanting Reform to win. The sheet
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  Speaker 2: which just out shows how bizarre our country is going
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 1: We went through this period here as you would know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean we had Kevin Rada, than we had Julia Gillard,
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  Speaker 1: then we had Kevin rad again, you know, and then
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  Speaker 1: we had Malcolm Turnbull and then we had Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 1: I mean we were swapping either prime ministers or leaders
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  Speaker 1: of major parties around, you know, like shuffling a pack
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  Speaker 1: of cards. The British public must be longing for the
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  Speaker 1: day where you can get a prime minister they can
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  Speaker 1: actually believe in and be support and have there in
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  Speaker 1: for a long period of time, someone like God forbid
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  Speaker 1: Margaret Thatcher.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we haven't had some competent leaders. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think since that You're or Blair, and you may
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: not like Blayer's policies, or people may not like factors policies,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: but they were strong leaders. We've had a succession of
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: weak primers and I think this just goes to show
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: that the quality of leadership in our political class is
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: just not what it used to be. We used to
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: laugh at Italy who would have like thirty prime ministers
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: in three years, and we're now getting into that sort
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: of same. There is no vision, there's no plan, there's
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: no agenda. Liz trust who you may recall, was a
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: very short lived primis she had the vision, but she
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: went on the boring route, which is just shows this
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: lack of courage to get to the grip's growth is
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: not hard, you know, low tax, low regulation, and rewarding
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: incentives and creativity. Instead, we got this highest boring costs
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: of any major economy in the world. We've got the
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: highest tax burdens since the Second World War, and our
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: boring cost one hundred and third I keep saying one
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: hundred and twelve billion pounds per year paying the interest
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: alone on our borrowing. That just shows you how much
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: of a chaos the country is being run into.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: One of the interesting things, Adrea and we've just been
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: talking for the last five, six, seven minutes about leadership
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: in the UK, we haven't even mentioned the Conservative Party
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: at all. I mean they've become completely irrelevant.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Yes they have. Ironically, their leader, Kemi Badanock is putting
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: an increasingly powerful show. She's taking starmered to pieces of
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: the question time in the.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: House of Commons.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, so many people do not trust the party behind her,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: and I think, you know this, what's happening now could
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: sort of dispel the era of the two party politics
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: in the UK because the public have not forgiven what
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: the Tories did Conservatives in fourteen years and now I
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: don't think they're going to forgive what Labour's done in
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: the last two years alone. So we could be in
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: a whole new era of politics. You know, Green's on
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: one side reform and other parties coming up sort of
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: ruling the roofs. But we'll have to see because it's
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: going to be a little while before an election. Start
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: is going to cling on so as long as he wants.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: All he isn't doing is is suggesting a statue be
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: put up in his name like Dan Andrews.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Quite right. Can can Nigel Farage become Prime Minister?
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: He can?
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I mean they've they've taken a bit of a dip recently,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: but that's because of various reasons. You know is a
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: strong leader, but he's not everyone's cup of tea. He
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: hasn't got universal popularity. But so far the way the
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: polls are looking, and this is why this by election
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: in Maccafield is so important. If Reform do win this,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: it puts the whole reform bandwag, the whole performed bandwagon,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: on a very very strong footing. But you can be
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: you can bet your bottom dollar that all the other
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: parties will can you know, power struggles and factions again
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: to sort of do anything to get to prevent him
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: coming to power. But I don't think it's going to
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: be for a fuse yet. It may come earlier if
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: the bomb markets and this is the problem with the
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Burnham presidency, which will take or any of the other
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: candidates will take Labor further to the left, more boring,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: more spending, more tax than bomb marketing markets may step
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: in and then we've got a financial crisis which will
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: precipitate a general election.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Adrian Hazel was good to catch up. Talk to you
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks time. Adrian Hayes there Coming
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: up after the break, Angus Taylor, speaking of politicians, will
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: he unveiled a major tax pitch as the coalition searches
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: for that's reset and later the alarming wait times leaving
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: older Australians stuck in limbo. That's after the break. Welcome
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: back to dou Price with you something seriously a statue
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: of Daniel Andrews. I mean, how could the government be
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: so blind and stupid as to do that? I mean, really,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: see how long do they think it's going to be
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: before someone defaces that. I'm not suggesting people do it,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: but it will happen, believe me. Now, as I said
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: at the top of the show, the Coalition is attempting
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: to redraw the economic battle we had. Angus Taylor unveiling
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: major new tax proposal aimed at workers and middle Australia.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: He hoped, like hell, it'll work. It was part of
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: his budget and reply speech outlined in Canberra last night. Now,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Angus Taylor says he will index income tax brackets to
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: inflation if elected, a policy he says would stop Australians
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: being punished by bracket creep. Now you have to explain
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: to people what bracket creep actually is Anthony Albanezi. He's
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: lashed out over criticism surrounding his growing property portfolio and
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: negative gearing. Now at the same time, taxpayer is now
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: being asked to pour even more money into Chris Brown's
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: renewable energy agenda. Joining me now Friday Night Regular Former
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Queensland Premier Campbell Newman. Is there a statue of you
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: somewhere in bronze in Brisbane? Campbell?
• 22:43
  Speaker 10: No, mate, there's a portrait in the part believe that's admit,
• 22:48
  Speaker 10: But no statue. Oh God, God, God help me, mate?
• 22:51
  Speaker 10: Please you know yet?
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: Of the line? Yeah, I think i'd join the line.
• 22:58
  Speaker 10: Actually, tot of Rotten exited if I was in Victoria,
• 23:02
  Speaker 10: made after what he did. But let's move on, shall.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: We we will Angus Taylor. He wants to present the
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: coalition is economically serious again. He wants to index tax brackets.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: You've got to explain that to people as a way
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: to reconnect with work in Australians. I mean, I saw
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: a very interesting piece on Sky during the week where
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: students had a tafe where asked what they thought about
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the budget, and I don't think one of them had
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: over a watched it b understood it on see cared
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: less well Steve.
• 23:34
  Speaker 10: There's an awful lot we could talk about, and we
• 23:36
  Speaker 10: obviously don't have the time. But firstly, I think it
• 23:39
  Speaker 10: was a terrible budget. It's the most disgraceful, unethical, dishonest
• 23:45
  Speaker 10: actions of any Prime Minister and treasurer in my lifetime.
• 23:50
  Speaker 10: I think that Angus Taylor's budget reply speech was very
• 23:56
  Speaker 10: workmanlike and sound. I think particularly the policy ideas contained
• 24:00
  Speaker 10: in it, not just the stuff he said about tax,
• 24:03
  Speaker 10: but things he talked about in terms of reform of say,
• 24:06
  Speaker 10: the corporation's law getting out of control. Regulators in this
• 24:10
  Speaker 10: country are under control. The need to actually actually index
• 24:16
  Speaker 10: the tax brakets, I think is an incredibly important initiative
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: because the disgraceful lie, which has transcended different political parties,
• 24:26
  Speaker 10: is that every year these guys take more and more
• 24:29
  Speaker 10: and more of our money, and every now and then
• 24:31
  Speaker 10: they go, ah, we're giving you a tax cut. But
• 24:35
  Speaker 10: as the record would show, Australians are paying more in
• 24:38
  Speaker 10: income tax than ever before, and particularly the young, they're
• 24:41
  Speaker 10: the ones who are getting shafted by this.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I've watched a number of financial advisors, people who are
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: across the detail on things like trust today. I've got
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: to admit it's given me a headache and I'm not
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: sure I still quite understand it. But the more you
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: dig into those changes and the capital gains tax implications,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the more you can see that this is a very sneaky,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: nasty piece of legislation that they're going to have to
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: put through the Parliament if they can get it through.
• 25:13
  Speaker 10: Look, it is sneaky, it is nasty, and it actually
• 25:16
  Speaker 10: hurts young people.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Let me explain.
• 25:19
  Speaker 10: And I think actually, by the way, young people who
• 25:22
  Speaker 10: perhaps are more astuite about their financial affairs know already
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: that this is a problem. I've actually been quite surprised
• 25:30
  Speaker 10: to see young people talking about their investments in shares,
• 25:36
  Speaker 10: are their investments in ETFs, exchange traded funds and crypto.
• 25:41
  Speaker 10: These young people have been stashing away money. They don't
• 25:45
  Speaker 10: stick it into a bank account and get like zero
• 25:48
  Speaker 10: point four percent. They're trying to actually save for a
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: deposit for a home, and there's quite an outcry on
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: social media. Steve, these youngsters who actually see that this
• 26:00
  Speaker 10: changes to the CGT regime, for example, are going to
• 26:04
  Speaker 10: hurt them in trying to save.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: For a deposit they also are getting.
• 26:08
  Speaker 10: I think that they, as first home buyers, will be
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: competing with investors for those new residential properties that have
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: been built, because you'll be able to negatively give you those.
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: So the investors will be out there competing against the
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: young who are trying to buy at the periophery of
• 26:24
  Speaker 10: our cities, the new stock that's been built.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: The other big thing about this is the complexity. It
• 26:31
  Speaker 10: is a feeding frenzy picnic day for tax accountants in particular,
• 26:37
  Speaker 10: perhaps lawyers and other accountants as well, mate, I mean
• 26:40
  Speaker 10: the complexity in the tax system. I was taking to
• 26:43
  Speaker 10: a partner in one of the major accounting firms only
• 26:45
  Speaker 10: a couple of days ago, and he was just shaking
• 26:47
  Speaker 10: his head with how much that hasn't been answered, how
• 26:51
  Speaker 10: much they don't know, and they're going to have to
• 26:53
  Speaker 10: work through try and make head or tail of this.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: You and I have been around long enough to know
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: that we saw Kip Paul Keating try and knock off
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: negative gearing and it just sent the real estate market
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: into a spin. We're already hearing that landlords intend to
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: increase rents, and the rents are going up dramatically at
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: a time when people can't afford to fill their car
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: up with petrol and afford to pay for their groceries.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just making it harder for people who
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: are renting. I mean, Labor Party in cameras trying to
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: have this give us the impression that they're all out
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: there about intergeneration wealth and helping each helping young people.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: That's not the case at all.
• 27:32
  Speaker 10: Look absolutely, Steve, it is not going to help renters.
• 27:36
  Speaker 10: I'm very clear about that. And we saw what happened
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: as you just alluded to in the eighties when Keating
• 27:42
  Speaker 10: tried this. It is not going to help young people
• 27:44
  Speaker 10: get their first home. I just don't know that it
• 27:48
  Speaker 10: helps anybody other than a federal government who can't live
• 27:51
  Speaker 10: within their means, who need piles of cash coming in
• 27:56
  Speaker 10: to feed the beast that they've created. That's the bottom
• 27:59
  Speaker 10: line here, and again, the dishonesty of this, you cannot
• 28:03
  Speaker 10: brush it away. And by the way, the Prime Minister
• 28:06
  Speaker 10: sort of getting hot under the color because he's been
• 28:10
  Speaker 10: called out as someone who's got investment properties, who's benefited
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: from their negative gearing breaks, but they're now being denied
• 28:20
  Speaker 10: to the young and he sort of then tries to
• 28:23
  Speaker 10: sort of office skate and carry on and get all
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: holidy towdy about it. You know, it's a legitimate question.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: PM.
• 28:31
  Speaker 10: You know you do have those properties, you have benefited it,
• 28:35
  Speaker 10: and it's not about having you go at you or
• 28:37
  Speaker 10: your partner. It is about pointing out the hypocrisy of
• 28:41
  Speaker 10: what you and Jim Charmers are doing.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: You think they'd like to introduce the death text or
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: are they trying to by stealth.
• 28:50
  Speaker 10: Well we see that on the front page of the
• 28:51
  Speaker 10: Australian steven. This is a rather obscure part of the law.
• 28:55
  Speaker 10: But some people I'll say right now, my wife and
• 28:57
  Speaker 10: I have this arrangement in our wills we die, a
• 29:01
  Speaker 10: thing called a testamentary trust is created. We did that
• 29:04
  Speaker 10: not to avoid tax or anything, because there is no tax.
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: If I just bequeath my estate to my children, they
• 29:13
  Speaker 10: get it, they get to use it, they get to
• 29:15
  Speaker 10: invest it, and the earnings they get would be taxed
• 29:18
  Speaker 10: for it. Weill be to handle in the normal way
• 29:20
  Speaker 10: by in the tax system. But with a testamentary trust,
• 29:23
  Speaker 10: Jim Charmers is going to hit the proceeds with thirty
• 29:27
  Speaker 10: percent tax. You know that wasn't explained that wasn't acknowledged
• 29:31
  Speaker 10: on the note that wasn't taken collection.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: And frankly, it's wrong if you have.
• 29:36
  Speaker 10: A disabled Imagine if you have a profoundly disabled child
• 29:40
  Speaker 10: and you want to set up one of these trusts,
• 29:42
  Speaker 10: but when you die, so that they looked after that,
• 29:44
  Speaker 10: they're going to be taxed.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: How is that? The government's very defensive about it.
• 29:50
  Speaker 11: Have a look, has the government introduced a sneaky death tax?
• 29:56
  Speaker 12: I watched this sort of angry angus performance last night
• 29:59
  Speaker 12: and all of this kind of trying to push out hypotheticals.
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: Expressionary testamentary trusts?
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Are they in the gun?
• 30:08
  Speaker 11: Is the government going to, well, well we'll target those
• 30:11
  Speaker 11: well because that they are essentially a death tax, then.
• 30:13
  Speaker 12: Well we we have we have set out very clearly
• 30:17
  Speaker 12: an agenda that that is that is really reshaping the
• 30:20
  Speaker 12: property market for young people.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I suspect him, is he's got no idea what he's
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: talking about? Campbell.
• 30:28
  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, there's only two two, there's only two options
• 30:31
  Speaker 10: here made. It's either one he hasn't got a clue
• 30:35
  Speaker 10: or he's lying through his teeth. And we've seen they've
• 30:37
  Speaker 10: got form now. I mean, you know, like, let's face
• 30:39
  Speaker 10: it now we know that we've got a desperately dishonest
• 30:42
  Speaker 10: Prime Minister.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: And Treasurer and you know it is. It is the.
• 30:47
  Speaker 10: Ultimate love of an Australian politics. If the voters cannot be confident,
• 30:51
  Speaker 10: if there is no trust when you when you're hearing
• 30:54
  Speaker 10: what said an election, it makes a total mockery, mockery
• 30:57
  Speaker 10: of our democratic process and and they are a disgrace
• 31:02
  Speaker 10: to the office.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I agree completely good on new Campbell. I'll see you
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: next Friday, Campbell. Newman there and if you think that's
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: all bad, you want to see what's happening to age care.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Alarming new figures reveal that older Australians are now waiting
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: more than a year over three hundred and sixty five
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: days for vital support and a new data out shows
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Australians are on waiting lists average twelve months for a
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: home care package. This is after that November one change
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: and three hundred and ninety six days for an age
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: care bid. This all comes after changes last November. As
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I said, Agecare Minister Sam raikm seems to me to
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: be completely out of his depth. Now. Coincidentally, I'll be
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: in Adelaide on Monday with my mother in her nineties
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: having a home care package interview. It's going to be
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: fascinating to see how that all works out. Federal Labor
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: and I can't believe this. In the budget, they've scrapped
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the higher private health insurance rebates for anyone over the
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: age of sixty five. The rebate was twenty eight percent
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: sixty five to sixty nine and thirty two percent if
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: you're over seventy. They've cut it all back to twenty
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: four percent. I mean, seriously, this is the one thing
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: that older people hang on to private health insurance. I mean,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: they'll not eat a meal at night to keep their
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: private health insurance and they're now being whacked like that.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Patricia Sparrow is the chief executive officer of the Council
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: of the Aging. She joins me, now, Patricia, thanks for
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: your time. Can I'll get to those waiting times and
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: dates in a second. This idea that they should attack
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: the private health insurance rebate for anyone over sixty five
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: and seventy, I'm right, ant I that's what people hang
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: on to that regardless of what their income is. And
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: if you're on a fixed income, how are you going
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: to afford to pay the extra.
• 32:47
  Speaker 13: Yeah, good evening, Steve. Older people are rightly angry and
• 32:52
  Speaker 13: very worried about the changes to the private health insurance rebate.
• 32:56
  Speaker 13: You're absolutely right. They hang on to it. They're very
• 32:59
  Speaker 13: loyal policy holders and feel they're doing the right thing
• 33:02
  Speaker 13: by being able to look after themselves and to reduce
• 33:05
  Speaker 13: the demand on the public hospital system. They're concerned that
• 33:09
  Speaker 13: they'll either have to drop their policy all together, or
• 33:12
  Speaker 13: that they might have to take a lower level of policy,
• 33:15
  Speaker 13: which from what we can see, sometimes means that they
• 33:18
  Speaker 13: won't have the very things that they most want ensured,
• 33:20
  Speaker 13: like a hip replacement or cataract. And there is concerns
• 33:24
  Speaker 13: about what this is going to do to an already
• 33:26
  Speaker 13: overstretched public hospital system. So I think there's a lot
• 33:30
  Speaker 13: of work that we need to do around this rebate
• 33:33
  Speaker 13: change that has older people really distressed.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's disgraceful. I'll keep banging on about it. As
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I said, I'll be in Adelaide tomorrow and then on
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: an interview Monday for in home care. Even if that
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: interview goes well and my mother is ticked off for
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: whatever package that she qualifies for, are these numbers telling
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: me that she'll have to then wait over a year,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: maybe even longer, for that in home care package to
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: kick in.
• 34:00
  Speaker 13: Yeah, it's possible. I mean the latest data sort of
• 34:03
  Speaker 13: a firm's data that's been released before that people are
• 34:06
  Speaker 13: just waiting far, far too long for support that they
• 34:09
  Speaker 13: really need. And you would know, and I'm sure your
• 34:11
  Speaker 13: mum's the same. They don't actually go looking for help
• 34:14
  Speaker 13: until they really need it, and then they're often hit
• 34:17
  Speaker 13: with a wait for the assessment, so they might have
• 34:19
  Speaker 13: to wait for months for an assessor to come. And
• 34:21
  Speaker 13: then once they're assessed and they get allocated a package,
• 34:24
  Speaker 13: they then have to find a provider and then they
• 34:27
  Speaker 13: know they wait for that allocation of the package, and
• 34:29
  Speaker 13: you know, some people will get it quicker than that,
• 34:31
  Speaker 13: but the average is a year, and that's you know,
• 34:33
  Speaker 13: it's unacceptable that people who need help are waiting that long.
• 34:37
  Speaker 13: For an older person living on their own, that's really
• 34:39
  Speaker 13: putting them at risk. For an older person who's got
• 34:42
  Speaker 13: a carer, it's not uncommon to hear that carers are
• 34:45
  Speaker 13: very burnt out and stressed, and that in some instances
• 34:48
  Speaker 13: they quit their job to look after the person that
• 34:51
  Speaker 13: they care for. And you know, obviously sometimes people are
• 34:54
  Speaker 13: dying waiting for help that doesn't arrive, which is just
• 34:57
  Speaker 13: not good enough.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: To Ray. Tell us those changes in November one, we're
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: going to fix these problems.
• 35:04
  Speaker 13: Well, I think there's a reform that's got a long
• 35:07
  Speaker 13: way to go, and I think that the reform package
• 35:09
  Speaker 13: is trying to is trying to address that. But there's
• 35:12
  Speaker 13: just not enough investment at the moment in home care packages,
• 35:16
  Speaker 13: which are so critical to keep people at home.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: And as you said, I mean, people are putting themselves
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: at risk and danger. I mean, you know, if I
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: use my own mother as an example, she's quite willing
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: to live at home, in her own house. She doesn't
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: want to go into an age care facility. But at
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: some point, you know, with diminishing eyesight and mobility, you know,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: you have a fall, you do a hip. As you said,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: it just compounds the problem. Patricia, I'll let you know
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: how I go when I go through the interview process
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: on Monday. I hope ago well for you and your mum. Yeah,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: good on your Patricia. Thank you, Patricia Sparrow. There. I'll
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: report back next week folks on how that all goes.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not really not really confidence it's going to go
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: all that well, coming up after the break. Now the
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: court has ruled Giggle versus Tickle that case, so what
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: are the implications of that ruling. That's after the break.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Welcome back around Dean coming up well, So check with
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: our panel on what they make of Angus Taylor's idea
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: to limit welfare payments to people who are Australian citizens. Now,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: court case today that's dragged on for quite some time.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: This was actually an appeal. A man who identifies as
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: a woman successfully sued the women's only at Giggle for Girls,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: arguing discrimination. Has had a compensation claim which was originally
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: a payment of ten thousand dollars doubled to twenty thousand dollars.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: This was in the full Federal Court today ruled that
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: the biological man who's undergone gender reassignment surgery was directly
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: discriminated against on the basis of gender identity. It's an
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: extraordinary outcome which is sure to raise the ire of
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: those five to protect women's spaces. I think it'll probably
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: end up in the High Court. The appeal judges rejected
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: founder Sally Grover's challenge and reinforce that under Australian law,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: a post surgery transgender woman with updated legal documents is
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: recognized as a female for the purpose of the Sex
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Discrimination Act. As I said, complicated. So here to talk
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: us through the outcome. Principal lawyer at the Human Rights
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Law Alliance, John Steenhoff, John, it is complicated. But was
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: that the outcome that you were expecting?
• 37:34
  Speaker 11: Steve, were very disappointed with the outcome. We were hoping
• 37:38
  Speaker 11: that the full Federal Court would make a sensible finding
• 37:42
  Speaker 11: in favor of Saul, saying that it was most reasonable
• 37:45
  Speaker 11: for her to exclude a trans identifying male from her
• 37:49
  Speaker 11: female only app.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: So you're calling this a win for ideology, I think,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: aren't you.
• 37:57
  Speaker 11: Yeah, this is a victory of idolology over truth, and
• 38:02
  Speaker 11: it has some real implications for fundamental laws in Australia
• 38:07
  Speaker 11: because what it means to be a man or a
• 38:09
  Speaker 11: woman is a really important issue, but also for women's rights,
• 38:15
  Speaker 11: and it really rolls back a lot of the gains
• 38:18
  Speaker 11: that women have made in being able to have their
• 38:20
  Speaker 11: own separate spaces and to be able to dictate who
• 38:24
  Speaker 11: is in those spaces.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Give us an idea of the wider implication. I mean,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I think immediately what comes to mind is participation of
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: a biological men in women's sport, the idea that if
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: you just tell people that you are a woman, you
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: could be placed in a female prison even if you're
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: a biological man. Are those the sort of implications that
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: you're referring to, John Steve, You're exactly right.
• 38:55
  Speaker 11: It's about women's spaces and women's services and women's sports.
• 38:59
  Speaker 11: We've seen this become very controversial here and overseas. We've
• 39:03
  Speaker 11: seen great movements to protect women from the IOC and
• 39:07
  Speaker 11: other places, but Australia seems to be passing laws now
• 39:12
  Speaker 11: and interpreting the law in a way that allows men
• 39:15
  Speaker 11: who identify as women into these spaces. Look, there is
• 39:18
  Speaker 11: no doubt that we need to treat every human being
• 39:21
  Speaker 11: with dignity and respect, but there needs to be a
• 39:24
  Speaker 11: balance there, and the balance has not been struck by
• 39:27
  Speaker 11: this decision. So there's a worry there about women's spaces,
• 39:31
  Speaker 11: but even a bigger worry about free speech. We're going
• 39:34
  Speaker 11: to see there is going to be a chilling effect
• 39:36
  Speaker 11: that comes directly from this decision, and a couple of
• 39:39
  Speaker 11: aspects of it are particularly worrying. The first is that
• 39:44
  Speaker 11: the fine against sal was increased because she consistently referred
• 39:50
  Speaker 11: to the claimant with male pronouns and as a man. Now,
• 39:54
  Speaker 11: this is a fundamental part of her case, something which
• 39:58
  Speaker 11: she genuinely believed and many ordinary Australians believe as well.
• 40:03
  Speaker 11: And the court has said if you do that, you pay,
• 40:08
  Speaker 11: and people are going to see that. And we're already
• 40:10
  Speaker 11: seeing language contortions that happen as.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: A result of worry about lawfare.
• 40:16
  Speaker 11: As a human rights lawyer, I'm defending many Australians who
• 40:20
  Speaker 11: are being dragged through courts for expressing their genuinely held
• 40:24
  Speaker 11: beliefs that much of transgender ideology is harmful and dangerous
• 40:28
  Speaker 11: and that it needs to be discussed. This is an
• 40:31
  Speaker 11: important public discussion and cases like this are going to
• 40:35
  Speaker 11: have a silencing effect.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: And was this the best test case? Do you believe?
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: I know you're involved in other cases. Will this end
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: up in the High Court ultimately?
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: Do you believe.
• 40:49
  Speaker 11: The best test case is the case that you have
• 40:51
  Speaker 11: in front of you and the case which your client
• 40:54
  Speaker 11: wants to take. In many ways, this is a fantastic
• 40:57
  Speaker 11: test case. Soal clearly setting up an app that was
• 41:01
  Speaker 11: for biological women. It came out of her own experience
• 41:06
  Speaker 11: of feeling unsafe with men. She was always open about
• 41:10
  Speaker 11: that and that she wanted to keep that a female
• 41:13
  Speaker 11: safe space. So it's a great it's a great case
• 41:16
  Speaker 11: to be taking and sal is a real champ for
• 41:19
  Speaker 11: taking this case. Her team has had to go around
• 41:23
  Speaker 11: looking for funding, fundraising everywhere, while her opponent has been
• 41:28
  Speaker 11: pro bono represented. It's definitely going to go to the
• 41:32
  Speaker 11: High Court whatever the outcome today. Both parties made very
• 41:36
  Speaker 11: clear that this is an important issue and that they
• 41:39
  Speaker 11: wouldn't let it rest with a full court decision. And
• 41:43
  Speaker 11: so we're hopeful that when Sale takes us to the
• 41:45
  Speaker 11: Full Court, the full Court will look at this and
• 41:48
  Speaker 11: make a decision in favor of common sense and truth.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Good on you, John, Thank you for joining us tonight.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: John Steinhoff. There we'll keep a watch on that. Obviously,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: frustration is boiling over among Australians feeling squeezed from every direction.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Our Friday Night Pannel up next to talk about this
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: week's budget. Good to have you with us. The fallout
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: from the budget continues. One of Australia's most successful entrepreneurs
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: has launched a blistering attack on Labour's proposed tax changes,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: particularly the changes to capital gains tax. The Boost Juice
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: founder Janine Alice has warned the government risks punishing aspiration
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: and discouraging Australians from taking risks and starting businesses like
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: she did.
• 42:34
  Speaker 8: Here she is people got to remember that when you
• 42:37
  Speaker 8: start a business, you put everything on the line and
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: most fail, like four and a five fail.
• 42:43
  Speaker 14: And so I would put my house on the line.
• 42:45
  Speaker 14: I put everything on.
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: The line and then I work my absolute butt off,
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: risk everything, you know, be away from my family, etc.
• 42:53
  Speaker 14: To then eventually make a profit.
• 42:55
  Speaker 8: And give nearly half half to the government.
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: Oh my god.
• 43:02
  Speaker 8: That is just that is just so unfair. It doesn't
• 43:06
  Speaker 8: allow you get ahead. It doesn't inspire you to actually
• 43:11
  Speaker 8: take the risks that you need to take.
• 43:13
  Speaker 14: Negatively gearing seriously, it's one of the only opportunities for
• 43:18
  Speaker 14: people who have a job to actually have a future
• 43:21
  Speaker 14: and really look after their family in the future. It
• 43:24
  Speaker 14: was Negola bergearing.
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: It was a great concept.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: These jews has been a great business. Sky News contributor
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Joe hilde Brand, executive director at the Semi Griffith Society,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Mia Slip join us. Welcome to you both. Janine Ellis
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: is angry. I mean it's a rare political outing for her,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: but plenty of other successful Australian businessmen and women have
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: also saying, well, if you're a young person, you're not
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: going to have a crack mia. Do you feel like
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: that as a young Australian you're certainly the youngest is
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: sitting around this desk at the moment.
• 43:55
  Speaker 15: Well, it even says so in the budget. It's their
• 43:58
  Speaker 15: own words, this is going to cause prices to go up.
• 44:01
  Speaker 15: So I will say, as a young person who is
• 44:04
  Speaker 15: currently renting, now, not only will it be more difficult
• 44:07
  Speaker 15: for me to get ahead, but then once I do
• 44:09
  Speaker 15: get ahead, if I'm so fortunate as to do so,
• 44:12
  Speaker 15: I then won't get to use the benefits that those
• 44:14
  Speaker 15: older than me got to use. And I think this
• 44:17
  Speaker 15: question was put towards Jim Chalmers in one of the
• 44:19
  Speaker 15: question sessions and he said, well, look, it's not so
• 44:22
  Speaker 15: bad because if young people, if they still want to
• 44:23
  Speaker 15: negatively gear, they can do so. They just have to
• 44:26
  Speaker 15: do so with new builds. But that's the exact way
• 44:29
  Speaker 15: we got into this situation. There are no new builds.
• 44:31
  Speaker 15: We are not building enough homes. The government has failed
• 44:34
  Speaker 15: to meet it's housing a cord target every single time,
• 44:37
  Speaker 15: and we don't have enough tradees to build the homes
• 44:39
  Speaker 15: that we need. So it's a circular argument and this
• 44:41
  Speaker 15: government has really discrewed it.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Joe, You and I work in the tabloid world, where
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: we work for newspapers, where we try and explain to
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: people complex issues. These things are complex issues. I just
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: wonder how engaged everage Australians are when they hear the words,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: you know, capital gains, tax and negative gearing. Do people
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: really understand what's been done to them this week? Do
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: you think?
• 45:06
  Speaker 9: I think certainly the people who make capital gains very
• 45:10
  Speaker 9: much know and are very very angry, and for other
• 45:13
  Speaker 9: people they will just switch off. And I think a
• 45:16
  Speaker 9: lot of the people I've spoken to who aren't affected
• 45:19
  Speaker 9: kind of think that this will solve all the problems
• 45:22
  Speaker 9: that young people have, that it will bring house prices down,
• 45:25
  Speaker 9: that it will free up all this housing stock for
• 45:28
  Speaker 9: first home buyers. And when I explain to them actually
• 45:31
  Speaker 9: the detail of what the Treasury itself says, they go, oh,
• 45:35
  Speaker 9: hang on, what's the point then, And I think this
• 45:38
  Speaker 9: is a political budget. I think it is a budget
• 45:39
  Speaker 9: that is more about signaling to young people that labor
• 45:43
  Speaker 9: is on their side than it is self evidently by
• 45:46
  Speaker 9: the Treasury's own reckoning about making a serious difference. I mean,
• 45:49
  Speaker 9: if this was a major reform, as it's been sort
• 45:52
  Speaker 9: of trusted up to be, firstly, it wouldn't be raising rents,
• 45:57
  Speaker 9: it wouldn't be reducing housing supply, and it wouldn't be,
• 46:01
  Speaker 9: at the most heroic end of the estimates, freeing up
• 46:04
  Speaker 9: just seventy five thousand homes when you have millions of
• 46:08
  Speaker 9: people who denied first home ownership. And again, it's not
• 46:13
  Speaker 9: even bringing down house prices, it's just reducing the amount
• 46:17
  Speaker 9: that housing prices would grow by by an estimated two percent.
• 46:22
  Speaker 9: And again, so I just cannot get my head around this.
• 46:25
  Speaker 9: These measures as a form of reform or boosting housing
• 46:30
  Speaker 9: or economics, they just really, to be honest, make absolutely
• 46:33
  Speaker 9: no sense. The only way they make sense is a
• 46:36
  Speaker 9: political signal to young people and a political weapon to
• 46:40
  Speaker 9: try to land on the Coalition so that when they
• 46:42
  Speaker 9: try to argue for them to be reinstated the next election,
• 46:46
  Speaker 9: that suddenly looks really reactionary and anti young people. And
• 46:50
  Speaker 9: that's what they'll try to do.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll have to wear black armbands next week. Because
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: me is rent's gone up. I feel very sorry for
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: I'd hate to be in the rental market at the
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: moment to talk to you both. Though. Extraordinary news broke
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: this afternoon and the Victorian Labor Government they've given the
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: nod Meya and Joe to Dan Andrews's statue. It's in bronze,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: it's going to cost one hundred and thirty six thousand dollars.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: It's presumably going to be put on a plinth outside
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: State Parliament for the pigeons to feed on. Miya. How
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: tone deaf does the Allen government have to be to
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: be spending taxpayers' money on a statue for a bloke
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: who locked us up longer than anyone else in the world.
• 47:34
  Speaker 15: Oh, completely tone deaf. It just shows they have no
• 47:36
  Speaker 15: ability to read the room. And don't get me wrong,
• 47:38
  Speaker 15: nobody wants his statue less than me. It's actually quite
• 47:41
  Speaker 15: close to my office, which means I'll have to see
• 47:44
  Speaker 15: it almost every single day. Is why I'm not pro statue. However,
• 47:48
  Speaker 15: I do think that perhaps Victorians need this reminder. After all,
• 47:52
  Speaker 15: it was asked Victorians who reelected the guy, and so
• 47:55
  Speaker 15: now I think maybe Victorians should have to look at
• 47:57
  Speaker 15: that statue every single day as a reminder of what
• 48:00
  Speaker 15: we did to ourselves.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Not a bad point, Joe, maybe statue to throw things at.
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:07
  Speaker 9: To be honest, I feel sorry for the statue. I
• 48:10
  Speaker 9: think that it is going to have to be one
• 48:12
  Speaker 9: of the most heavily guarded statues in the country. Look,
• 48:16
  Speaker 9: you know he deserves that. He didn't make the rules.
• 48:18
  Speaker 9: I think Jef Kennet did that for premiers who have
• 48:20
  Speaker 9: served a certain amount of so it's you know, if anything,
• 48:23
  Speaker 9: it's a formality. But I'll tell you what, if I
• 48:25
  Speaker 9: was the Premier of Victoria, the last thing I would
• 48:28
  Speaker 9: doing would do for the sake of my own political skin,
• 48:31
  Speaker 9: would be to outlay a six figure sum on a
• 48:34
  Speaker 9: statue when.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: I'm going to make sure once it's erected, I'll go
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: there and lay a hand on it every day and
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: thank God that Dan Andrews has gone. Thank you both
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: very much. I'll talk to you next week. Rondine's up
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: next