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#20 | Anthony Torres · Corpus Christi Originals Podcast

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SPEAKER_00: What's going on y'all?
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SPEAKER_00: It's Usiladio Nandis here.
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SPEAKER_00: In this podcast episode, we had the pleasure of having Anthony Torres.
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SPEAKER_00: Anthony is a part of the Outcra and the Body O Home, and he is also a pastor at Victory Life Fellowship.
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SPEAKER_00: We talk a little bit about himself, about what he does and uh what he's what he's into and stuff like that.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you for coming on.
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SPEAKER_04: Hey, thank you for inviting me.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you're welcome.
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SPEAKER_04: It's it's been uh like a back and forth, right?
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SPEAKER_04: I know you invited me months ago.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, uh, and I told my wife when when uh uh I saw you, you had Tony, uh big tone, Tony Valdez the other day.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I said, I don't know if I was supposed to be that one or am I supposed to be another one?
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SPEAKER_04: Well, Tony, yeah, yeah, but I enjoyed it, man.
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SPEAKER_04: I saw that one, that was really cool, man.
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SPEAKER_00: Awesome, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: We brought up uh we brought up my family members, uh Isaac and uh Ralph and Tony and Michelle and all of them, and you said that you knew him.
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SPEAKER_00: That was crazy.
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SPEAKER_04: Grew up in the same neighborhood.
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SPEAKER_00: That's wild.
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SPEAKER_04: I think we were in the same grade.
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SPEAKER_04: Uh either he and I or his sister, we were all about the same age at that time.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's awesome, man.
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SPEAKER_00: What's the same elementary school?
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SPEAKER_00: Same elementary school, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's wild.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it's so crazy how we're just connected and we've been in the city like all this time, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's crazy.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so you're so you're born and raised here in Corpus.
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SPEAKER_04: Born and raised uh 1975.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's nice.
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SPEAKER_04: I grew up grew up in uh in the neighborhood uh where I went to school, Los Cecinos.
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SPEAKER_04: Uh grew up there uh my entire life.
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SPEAKER_04: That's that's where I was uh I was raised and um you know went through all my school years there, you know, living there, you know, um junior high, high school.
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SPEAKER_04: And uh as soon as uh graduated high school, of course, you know, uh eventually, you know, I moved out of the house and and um and I've been living over here on on the kind of like by where the water's at on you know, kind of like the hospital district area, you know, for the past almost 30 years.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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SPEAKER_00: Man, that's awesome.
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SPEAKER_00: So so you're living in a hospital uh which out where's the hospital district?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry, I got lost there.
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SPEAKER_04: Right here where Spawn Shoreline is.
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SPEAKER_04: I I call it the hospital district because there's a bunch of clinics all around.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so uh so that's the best way I can describe it.
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SPEAKER_04: Because if I say by the water, it's not really I'm not too close to the water.
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SPEAKER_04: I'm still I'm still about a quarter mile from the water, but it's close, pretty close.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh kind of near uh near six points and like uh the post office, because I live in that area too.
3:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
3:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So I know I know exactly where that's at.
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SPEAKER_00: In fact, I think the place where I live, it's like it's hospital district too because the hospital is like a block over, yeah, like literally a block over from where I'm at.
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SPEAKER_04: It sure is.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man.
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SPEAKER_00: Um that's awesome.
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SPEAKER_00: So you've been so you've been here your whole life.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, which so you went to Los Encinos and then what Carroll?
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SPEAKER_00: Um Cunningham.
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SPEAKER_00: Cunningham, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: I think that they have a new name now.
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SPEAKER_04: I forgot what it's called, but yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Well, it's still Cunningham, I guess, at South Park now, but but um, I think the uh the mascot is different, no?
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SPEAKER_00: Or or the I guess I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I saw the I drove by uh the old South Park and I saw the new building, and I was like, hey, what's this?
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SPEAKER_00: And I saw the new building, so I don't know.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I think it's I think they're the the is it the the logos, the wolves, I don't remember.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but Cunningham used to be the Cougars, and I think the Cougars are pretty cool.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh and yellow and gold.
4:39
SPEAKER_00: Was it uh gold and green or something?
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SPEAKER_00: The green.
4:44
SPEAKER_00: Wow, man.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I went to I went to Winceal, uh Winceel, uh over here, but close by where we're at.
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SPEAKER_04: The Bucks, the little bucks, yeah, the Buckaroos.
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SPEAKER_00: Buckaroos, man.
4:56
SPEAKER_00: Buckaroos, yeah.
4:57
SPEAKER_00: It was it was pretty tough.
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SPEAKER_00: Like it was before they changed it into the whatever technology thing it is.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh uh, yeah, so totally, man.
5:06
SPEAKER_00: I we went to, I think we went to like I think it was uh like city champ city championship or state or city championship or something.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and we lost to Haas Middle School.
5:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man, that's crazy.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so yeah, thanks for coming on, and and I appreciate you uh supporting the brand, man.
5:24
SPEAKER_00: Uh uh, we had met up a couple times.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, bought a like a hat and I think it was a hoodie, or I don't remember.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a hoodie and a hat, and then we hooked your your daughter up with a hoodie, too.
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SPEAKER_00: So, man, we really appreciate that.
5:35
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, man.
5:37
SPEAKER_04: And I see you got some some more product.
5:39
SPEAKER_04: I just it's been hectic, man, here on this side, man, with with work and everything.
5:44
SPEAKER_04: So, but I'm I'm still I'm meaning to buy some more things, man.
5:47
SPEAKER_04: I I like the that hat you're wearing that's got the the flower uh print and everything.
5:51
SPEAKER_04: That's really cool.
5:52
SPEAKER_04: Oh, thank you.
5:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you.
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SPEAKER_04: I like that, man.
5:55
SPEAKER_04: That's cool.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, I was it was kind of like what because when I started it, I was like, Well, what kind of elements could I put on the on the brand, you know what I mean?
6:04
SPEAKER_00: And uh it was just like uh well stuff that from around here, like we go to the beach, we know how to fish, you know what I mean.
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SPEAKER_00: We know how to it's it's right near the coast, and I was just like just do something like that.
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SPEAKER_00: Put it put it with like the skulls and the other stuff that I like to put in there too, you know.
6:19
SPEAKER_00: Uh just just to keep it the stuff that that I like, and maybe people would like also.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I'm even I was even thinking of like putting like a skeleton dude, like like fishing dude, you know what I mean, or something like that.
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SPEAKER_00: Because that would be cool, man.
6:35
SPEAKER_04: You gotta buy her here, man.
6:36
SPEAKER_04: If you make that shoot, I'll get it, dude.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you see, like because people because we do that, like we fish, like there's people like I know family members, they wake up like at three, four o'clock in the morning, they go fishing, you know.
6:46
SPEAKER_00: Oh and they're there, like, and they're there all day.
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SPEAKER_04: I'm like, dang, yeah, we're a fishing family, man.
6:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, exactly.
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SPEAKER_04: My wife and my daughters getting getting uh turned on to it now, yeah, for sure.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like if it's like one way or another, we figured out at least how to like put shrimp on the hook and toss it out, you know what I mean?
7:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, somebody showed us along the line, yeah, absolutely.
7:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man.
7:11
SPEAKER_00: That's that's that's cool.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I was thinking of stuff like that for the brand and everything like that.
7:15
SPEAKER_00: So hey uh, so so um you're involved in in like you said uh you're involved in like your church or something like that.
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SPEAKER_00: Is that what your current profession right now?
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I've I've been a pastor since um it's I start off as a youth pastor.
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SPEAKER_04: I'll go back a little bit.
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SPEAKER_04: I was a youth pastor from like 2005 to like 2010, and um um probably probably a little bit longer, and so we we stepped away from youth ministry in order to go back and have some more training, my wife and I.
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SPEAKER_04: And uh then we we left to San Antonio for about two years.
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SPEAKER_04: And when we came back, um, of course, I I was ordained uh to help pastor the the church and to help lead the church here in Corpus and also to to oversee the recovery home that we have.
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SPEAKER_04: It's a men's home.
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SPEAKER_04: And so uh I got sent back two years later and um and I started leading the men's home.
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SPEAKER_04: And I've been leading the men's home and um and helping to pastor the church um since 2015.
8:19
SPEAKER_04: Wow and so that's that's what I do, you know.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and um, and I enjoy it, you know, and it's it's been it's been an experience, you know, and it's been it's been a great journey so far, you know.
8:32
SPEAKER_04: But I get I get I get the joy of seeing people's lives changed, you know, and seeing, you know, you know, something that's um, you know, miracles, you know.
8:41
SPEAKER_04: I I really don't know another way to put it, you know, without having to sound you know real religious or whatever.
8:46
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, but you know, I have the I have the privilege and the joy of seeing those things, you know.
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SPEAKER_04: And of course it comes with its challenges, like anything else.
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SPEAKER_04: You know, but um, but at the end of the day, you know, uh I know that I'm right where I need to be.
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SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like a purpose.
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SPEAKER_00: You have uh you have a purpose to be there.
9:04
SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
9:05
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's what it is, man.
9:06
SPEAKER_04: Uh I I I felt, you know, what we call, you know, the call and to step into this, you know.
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SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, of course, years ago before everything, you know, of course, I I had a regular full-time job and and um you know had other you know plans and and aspirations, but uh there was just um the desire just kept growing, you know, you know, stronger for me to do this.
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SPEAKER_04: And so um eventually I made the the transition, you know, with with of course, you know, with much, you know, uh prayer and and uh and and support, you know, and uh and I went ahead and you know went in full time, and this is what I've been doing since, you know.
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SPEAKER_04: And you know, it's you know, some people call it a career, and you know, it's a career, it's it's a calling, you know, it's all of that, you know.
9:50
SPEAKER_04: But this this is what I've been doing since.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow, and so that's that's the past 15 years.
9:55
SPEAKER_00: Uh has so obviously it hasn't but always been like that for you?
10:00
SPEAKER_04: It hasn't always been like that.
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SPEAKER_04: No, no, they're interested in yeah, so it's been the past 15 years.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, is it I mean, is there a certain is there something that did something happen in your life to decide to do what you're doing now?
10:15
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, um, well, actually it goes back further because 15 15 years is just me having the the title and the and being given the permission to do what I do, you know.
10:27
SPEAKER_04: Um yeah, but but I actually came into the recovery home myself back in 1997.
10:34
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
10:34
SPEAKER_04: And um, and before that, you know, um my lifestyle, you know, was was a lot different, you know.
10:42
SPEAKER_04: It's uh, you know, of course, you know, I was involved in in uh a criminal lifestyle, you know, involved in street gangs and you know, drug abuse, you know, and um, you know, facing five to ten years in in state prison, you know.
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SPEAKER_04: I I never went to prison, you know, by the grace of God.
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SPEAKER_04: I'm I'm glad that I didn't have to, of course, I did have to do a lot of time on probation, and that that was pretty hard and I didn't like it.
11:08
SPEAKER_04: Um but um but um you know because of my drug charge and and because of of the you know the lifestyle that I was living.
11:17
SPEAKER_04: But um, but you know, that changed, you know.
11:20
SPEAKER_04: I um somebody came and spoke to uh a buddy of mine, um whose mother was a member of of this church that that that I helped pastor.
11:31
SPEAKER_04: And um, and um, and she wanted somebody to speak to her son because he was just as bad off as I was.
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SPEAKER_04: I mean, we we weren't any good for each other, but he was my best friend, you know.
11:41
SPEAKER_04: We we were what we call in the street, we were road dogs, man.
11:44
SPEAKER_04: We we did crimes together, we just a lot of you know bad, you know.
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SPEAKER_04: And uh yeah, and so his mother had started going to church and she wanted somebody to kind of reach him, and um, and I was there that day when somebody showed up to go speak with him, and and I was like, you know what?
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SPEAKER_04: I don't want to be here, so I'm not all about this religious stuff, man.
12:04
SPEAKER_04: And I really wasn't, you know.
12:06
SPEAKER_04: And um, but somehow he convinced me to stay, and I stayed, and we heard the guy out, you know.
12:12
SPEAKER_04: A guy was giving his his story, you know, his life story about you know his conversion and you know how you know the Lord had you know done a lot a great thing for him.
12:21
SPEAKER_04: And and I, you know, and I'll be honest with you, man.
12:23
SPEAKER_04: I I don't think I had bathed in about a week and a half.
12:26
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I was a mess, dude.
12:27
SPEAKER_04: I was wearing the same clothes that I had on for like over a week.
12:31
SPEAKER_04: And in those days, you know, I used to dress different.
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SPEAKER_04: In those days, you know, I I wore you know, Stacy Adams and khakis and had my hair slicked back and the long ponytail, and you know, and um you know, and and it was every day for me, man.
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SPEAKER_04: You know, my addiction started, you know, just you know, fun, you know, weekend partying, you know, matching up buddies for 12 packs, 24s, and getting getting loaded all night, and to eventually where it was all my money was being spent on that, and to where I was just doing it every day.
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SPEAKER_04: And then, of course, you know, graduated, you know, you know, from that stuff, you know, to cocaine and you know, and um, and a lot of other things, you know, um, you know, getting involved in other kinds of things, you know.
13:18
SPEAKER_04: But um, but anyway, that guy was talking to that to my buddy, and I was listening, and I didn't really pay too much mind to it, you know.
13:24
SPEAKER_04: It really didn't grab my attention, didn't interest me too much.
13:28
SPEAKER_04: But um, he was there for about an hour and he stood up and he told my buddy, he said, man, I gotta I gotta get going, I gotta go back.
13:35
SPEAKER_04: And because he was part of one of the outpatient homes that we had back then, or they had back then.
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unknown: That's right.
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SPEAKER_04: And he was like, I gotta get back.
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SPEAKER_04: He was already working and everything and reestablishing his life, you know, back to society.
13:45
SPEAKER_04: And and but he had to leave, and so he asked to pray for my buddy, and my buddy's like, Yeah, that's fine, you can pray for me.
13:51
SPEAKER_04: And then he looked at me, and I was I was sitting, I'll never forget, I was sitting on I I remember like if it just happened, I was sitting like on this, you know, sofa recliner, and I was smoking a cigarette.
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SPEAKER_04: And uh and he said, You want me to pray for you?
14:03
SPEAKER_04: I said, I said, Yeah, you know, I guess it wouldn't hurt, you know.
14:08
SPEAKER_04: And so I stood up and he started praying for both of us.
14:12
SPEAKER_04: You know, he put his hands on both of us and you know, started praying, you know, like Christians pray, and right it was it was something I had never heard, man.
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SPEAKER_04: And so it was all new to me, and uh, you know, like for me, Christianity up to that point was like a joke, man.
14:28
SPEAKER_04: Uh people made fun of it, everybody I hung around with made fun of it, right?
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SPEAKER_04: You know, the TV shows that I watched back then, you know, you know, made a mockery, you know, of all that stuff, and and so to me, you know, I had no interest, man.
14:41
SPEAKER_04: And but but he he laid his hands on both of us, he started praying.
14:46
SPEAKER_04: And I'm gonna tell you right now, as unbelievable as it may sound, man, but I'm speaking the honest truth, man.
14:52
SPEAKER_04: Um when he started praying for me, I started laughing because I thought it was funny.
14:59
SPEAKER_04: And um, and moments into his prayer, I just felt like an overwhelming sense of like a warmth, man, that just started to like really just like you know take over and kind of like you know, I started you know, sensing like somebody lit up a fire in front of me, yeah.
15:17
SPEAKER_04: And um, and within moments, man, I started crying and I just started bawling.
15:24
SPEAKER_04: And then I was like, Hold up, this is what's happening, you know.
15:28
SPEAKER_04: I was freaking out, man.
15:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
15:30
SPEAKER_04: And it's and it seemed like the more that that this guy like rubbed my back because he had his hand on my back, and he was telling me stuff like it's okay.
15:38
SPEAKER_04: It seemed like the more he said something to me, the more I started crying.
15:42
SPEAKER_04: Like, why are you saying that?
15:43
SPEAKER_04: You know, but stop, man.
15:46
SPEAKER_04: And I walked, but I couldn't.
15:49
SPEAKER_04: And and I'm gonna tell you right now, dude.
15:51
SPEAKER_04: That's it.
15:52
SPEAKER_04: Uh, after it, I that happened for about maybe five or ten minutes.
15:55
SPEAKER_04: It wasn't that long, but it felt like a long time.
15:57
SPEAKER_04: But but I'm gonna tell you right now, after I stopped crying, man, I just I knew something was different, and I knew that from that day forward, I just didn't want to be the same anymore.
16:08
SPEAKER_04: I didn't want to live that same lifestyle.
16:11
SPEAKER_04: And and the next day I went to church.
16:13
SPEAKER_04: I hadn't even gone to church yet.
16:15
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, next day I went to church, and um and that was my that was my my salvation experience when I accepted the Lord into my heart, you know.
16:24
SPEAKER_00: And uh right, y'all.
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17:13
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17:16
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SPEAKER_04: The next day I went to church and I started getting involved, and then eventually I came into the rehab center.
17:36
SPEAKER_04: And and um and I spent years, you know, in preparation, you know, character modification, character correction.
17:44
SPEAKER_04: You know, I had to learn everything from the beginning.
17:47
SPEAKER_04: Uh I'm not sure, like for me, if you understand, like I didn't know anything about God.
17:52
SPEAKER_04: Right, I didn't know anything about church.
17:54
SPEAKER_04: Like, I came in super raw, dude.
17:56
SPEAKER_04: Like, I came into the church cussing up a storm.
17:58
SPEAKER_04: You know, I mean, I didn't I didn't know anything about you know how this life was supposed to be lived, they're supposed to be lived.
18:05
SPEAKER_04: And so little by little, you know, I began to learn, and then eventually, my who he's my lead pastor now here in Corpus, he took me under his wing, and he came from the same life lifestyle, you know.
18:17
SPEAKER_04: He himself was an addict, and he was actually uh a gang member and everything.
18:21
SPEAKER_04: He was from from the city of Chicago, yeah, and um, and um and he began to work with me, you know.
18:28
SPEAKER_04: Of course, you know, we call it discipleship, but he really began to just invest in me and believe in me.
18:35
SPEAKER_04: Um and believe that that that there was something you know greater for me and that there was more purpose for me.
18:42
SPEAKER_01: Right.
18:42
SPEAKER_04: And and so all that, you know, just you know helped to to you know was part of the investment, you know, and and and it just helped to to to fuel the desire that I already had, you know, uh of wanting to do something, you know, you know, for God's kingdom, of course, you know, in the church, you know, and uh and to to you know lead you know be in some way, you know, you know, allow myself to to be used to have an impact on somebody else's life.
19:12
SPEAKER_04: And so that's where it all started.
19:13
SPEAKER_04: So um, and then eventually, you know, of course, you know, after training and preparation, my first um ministry that I did was youth ministry, you know.
19:24
SPEAKER_04: But before that, it was a lot of years of preparation.
19:26
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I'm telling you right now, dude, you know, there's there was a lot of Tony, the old Tony, that that had to be dealt with before God could show me everybody else, you know, as a minister, you know.
19:40
SPEAKER_01: Right.
19:41
SPEAKER_04: And you know, and and it's been a it's been it's been a long journey, and it's but it's been a good one so far, man.
19:46
SPEAKER_04: And and uh you know, today you're looking at and you're talking to a guy that's I'm not the same person I was back back in that day, you know.
19:54
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, and I of course I credit that to God, man, first and foremost, you know, he saved my life, he forgave me for all my sins.
20:02
SPEAKER_04: And he put a uh desire in me, man, to to want to, you know, reach out to others, and that's what we do.
20:07
SPEAKER_04: You know, that's what we do, whether it's through the church or through the rehab, you know, and through the rehab, I have the privilege of seeing it every day, you know, because we live we live here with our men, you know, and and and we get to see them come in the same way, broken up, you know, tore up, you know, because of addiction.
20:24
SPEAKER_04: And we get to see, you know, three, four, five, six months, eight months down the road where they're just totally different, you know, and there's a lifestyle change.
20:32
unknown: Right.
20:32
SPEAKER_04: You know, yeah, so that's that's so yeah, it wasn't always like that, but that's that's kind of you know, in the short version, how it how it all went down.
20:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man.
20:43
SPEAKER_00: That's crazy.
20:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's it's it's just crazy how how to me, like how how one person can just shift, you know what I mean, to from the way they were living to that type of life, to I guess a godly lifestyle, or whatever you call it, you know what I mean?
21:01
SPEAKER_00: It's uh I don't know, like I've seen people do it before too, and it's just like how how come there's other people that are still doing it, like how come they haven't done it?
21:11
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
21:12
SPEAKER_00: Like I always like wonder like what uh why it's kind of like why are we special or why are you special or why is that person special?
21:20
SPEAKER_00: Why how did that why did why were they able to do that?
21:22
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
21:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's always those those kind of questions in my mind.
21:26
SPEAKER_00: Uh what do you think about that?
21:28
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, I I get you, man.
21:30
SPEAKER_04: Um, you know that it hasn't been easy for me.
21:33
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I like I said, I gave you guys the the the short version, but I mean, dude, it's it was a struggle the first few years, but I just knew, man, there was always that constant like I I gotta do this right, you know what I mean?
21:46
SPEAKER_04: Like there, I knew that I I just didn't want to go back to the same lifestyle, you know.
21:50
SPEAKER_04: But but the struggles, of course, they were there, the temptations there's they're still there, you know.
21:55
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but but you know, the difference is now, you know, I've learned to trust.
22:00
SPEAKER_04: In the Lord to give me the strength to overcome those things.
22:02
SPEAKER_04: And um, but no, it wasn't easy.
22:04
SPEAKER_04: The first few years were real hard, you know.
22:05
SPEAKER_04: And I mean, the battles come in different forms and different sizes.
22:09
SPEAKER_04: The challenges, you know, the stamp, the stuff that we face, the hardships, you know.
22:13
SPEAKER_04: But for somebody like that's struggling, that's man, you know, how come that guy's making it and I'm not making it?
22:18
SPEAKER_04: How come it seems that you know, and for me, I'm still here, you know, slipping back into my my my alcoholism or my addiction.
22:26
SPEAKER_04: Right.
22:26
SPEAKER_04: You know, you know, there's just the best that I can tell you.
22:30
SPEAKER_04: And I tell the guys, because I have a lot of guys that come back to the home over and over, and I just tell them, look, just just keep trying, man.
22:36
SPEAKER_04: Don't give up.
22:37
SPEAKER_04: You'll you'll you'll get your breakthrough, man.
22:39
SPEAKER_04: You'll get it, man.
22:40
SPEAKER_04: Just don't give up.
22:41
SPEAKER_04: You know, don't think that we're anybody special because you know, because you know, oh, I'm not drinking anymore.
22:47
SPEAKER_04: Listen, you may be struggling with you know drinking or or drugs, but I may be struggling with something else.
22:53
SPEAKER_04: We're still struggling.
22:54
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
22:55
SPEAKER_04: Just people are in different parts of their journey.
22:58
SPEAKER_04: But but yeah, I get that.
23:00
SPEAKER_04: No, I get that, man.
23:01
SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's the best way that I answer to, you know, because I deal with that here a lot at the home.
23:05
SPEAKER_04: You know, guys are wondering, well, why do I keep falling back?
23:08
SPEAKER_04: And I mean, you know, sometimes I don't know an answer, but I I could I just tell them, you know what, bro, just don't give up, man.
23:14
SPEAKER_04: If you'll want to stick it out, stick it out, and just just keep your faith in God, man, and and don't give up, man.
23:20
SPEAKER_04: Don't give up, man.
23:21
SPEAKER_04: Event eventually, man, that breakthrough will come, you know.
23:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, um, or on or on the flip side, unless there's something that they're really not letting go of, you know, but that's a little bit more deeper conversation, you know what I mean?
23:33
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
23:34
SPEAKER_04: Sometimes it could be something that they just they had they they're hanging on to, and that that you know, you'd be surprised how something that seems so small, you know, could be the one thing that's blocking you from having that full victory.
23:47
SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
23:48
SPEAKER_00: Cool, man.
23:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so you say victory.
23:50
SPEAKER_00: What what does that mean?
23:52
SPEAKER_00: I mean, what does that mean?
23:53
SPEAKER_00: Like, if somebody's asked, like if somebody's wondering, like, what does he mean by victory?
23:57
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
23:58
SPEAKER_00: Is it just like is like coming out of addiction like the actual victory, or is it like the life after that?
24:07
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
24:07
SPEAKER_00: What's the what's the what do you consider that as victory?
24:11
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, well, of course, coming out of the addiction, but for those that fall back into it, never having to fall back into it again.
24:18
SPEAKER_04: That that's we count that as a victory, you know.
24:21
SPEAKER_04: And uh, you know, because there's not, I mean, there's of course there's many victories, but we count that as a victory, you know, because for you know, for some, you know, it is a struggle, it really is, you know, and you know, and some have made the attempt, and you know, they'll they'll even go to church, you know, and and you know, and pray, and but for some reason, you know, they find themselves struggling, you know.
24:42
SPEAKER_04: But you know, there's it's that's pretty it's pretty common.
24:46
SPEAKER_04: I mean, you know, but you know, but again, you know, the best way that I advise them is just you know keep faithful, you know, don't stop, don't give up, keep your faith in God, keep coming to church, you know, you know, eventually I know that God will break break through on that, man, for you, man.
25:04
SPEAKER_04: You know, that's that's the advice that I give him, man.
25:06
SPEAKER_04: And um and um I because I know because he's done it for me on many occasions, you know, not just with my addiction, but other things, you know, because on top of my addiction, I mean I had a real bad anger issue, you know what I mean?
25:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:19
SPEAKER_04: The addiction was just one of them, you know, and you know, my my character, you know.
25:23
SPEAKER_04: You know, I um I couldn't be told anything without answering back disrespectfully, and you know, that that was just that was who I was, you know.
25:33
SPEAKER_04: That's the kind of character that I had.
25:35
SPEAKER_04: So the addiction, you know, like in my case, I'll be honest with you, the addiction was probably the easiest thing for God to deliver me from.
25:41
SPEAKER_04: The hardest thing was, I think for me, was my anger issue.
25:44
SPEAKER_04: I had a lot of anger, man, and a lot of resentment that I that I was holding on to.
25:49
SPEAKER_04: And that took more time.
25:51
SPEAKER_04: That took more time.
25:52
SPEAKER_04: That was more of those other years of me just really, you know, because you know, like in my in my in my case, I was a lot younger.
26:01
SPEAKER_04: I would blow up and I'd be you know, upset or you know, or you know, pissed off, you know, for the whole day.
26:08
SPEAKER_04: And then at the end of the night, I'm like, man, why'd I even get mad?
26:12
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
26:12
SPEAKER_04: Like myself up, and you know, and then there I go again.
26:16
SPEAKER_04: You know what, Lord, I'm sorry, man.
26:18
SPEAKER_04: I need help with this, man.
26:19
SPEAKER_04: Like, I don't get it, you know.
26:20
SPEAKER_04: For me, that was that was probably one of the bigger challenges was was, you know, was my actual, you know, my character, you know, you know, right, you know, and um, and that that took a long time, you know, and you know, for for real for for God to really deal with that area of my life, you know.
26:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so how so how do you so because like because I I used to deal with that stuff too, and like how how do you it seems like it seems like we need to get wisdom from outside sources, or even in your case, like the Bible or whatever, you know what I mean?
26:55
SPEAKER_00: Uh what's what type of sources have actually helped you uh to to to to overcome that or to you know what I mean to do better in that area of your life?
27:07
SPEAKER_04: Of course, you know, education, you know.
27:09
SPEAKER_04: Um, I mean, I love the Bible, you know, but uh but I do read books.
27:14
SPEAKER_04: I do read books as a matter of fact, uh you know, um, and they're um I'm reading this one right now.
27:21
SPEAKER_04: Winning with people.
27:23
SPEAKER_04: And this has a lot to do with character.
27:25
SPEAKER_04: It has a lot to do with character.
27:27
SPEAKER_04: It talks about, you know, like one of the things that I read the other day is um a lot of times we have we say this phrase, and you've probably heard it.
27:35
SPEAKER_04: Um, I'm gonna put that person in their place.
27:39
SPEAKER_04: And this guy here, he's a life coach, his name is John Maxwell.
27:42
SPEAKER_04: Um, he says, You need to stop saying I'm gonna put that person in their place, and you need to start saying, I'm gonna put myself in their place.
27:51
SPEAKER_04: Because maybe I need to put myself in their place so I can understand why they're doing what they're doing, why they're saying what they're saying, and why they're acting the way they're acting, you know.
28:00
SPEAKER_04: Because a lot of times we we just, you know, you know, we think that you know, you know, somebody's you know a certain way, but we probably don't have the full story, you know.
28:11
SPEAKER_04: Right.
28:12
SPEAKER_04: So it's so one of that's one of the things that I learned that I was reading last week.
28:15
SPEAKER_04: You know, instead of saying, I'm gonna put them in their place, you know, you know, why not put your why not put yourself in their place?
28:22
SPEAKER_04: You know, and I guess you know, the there's an old proverb that says, you don't know a man until you walk in his shoes, you know.
28:28
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and that's that's an old saying that a lot of people have said in the past, but um but I you know I like to read, I like to read, I like to educate myself, you know.
28:36
SPEAKER_04: Um, I don't believe that, you know, you know, oh Jesus saved me and that's it, you know, and whatever.
28:43
SPEAKER_04: You know, I I don't believe in that.
28:44
SPEAKER_04: I believe that I need to be educated.
28:46
SPEAKER_04: I believe I believe that I have to educate myself, especially in the life that I live, you know.
28:51
SPEAKER_04: And uh, but I do I do I do have other so you know sources, you know.
28:55
SPEAKER_04: You know, of course, they're you know, they're you know, a lot of them are authors that you know have you know proven themselves, you know, good authors, you know.
29:02
SPEAKER_04: Um a lot of them are Christian authors, but um but you know, um also you know I'll read you know books from non-Christian authors, you know, you know, just good books, you know, but I educate myself that way.
29:14
SPEAKER_04: I have mentors that that help me when I need to talk to somebody, you know, that are not not necessarily in this circle, like where I we're where I serve in our immediate church, but you know, friends and you know mentors, you know, that that are part of other churches, or you know, and um you know if you're willing to listen, you'd be surprised, man, who can speak some wisdom into you, man.
29:35
SPEAKER_04: You know, you know, and a lot of times I think one of the cle the cliches of a Christian is we only want to get advice from Christians, you know.
29:44
SPEAKER_04: Sometimes people that don't know the Lord have good advice, you know.
29:47
SPEAKER_04: You know, you just have to be willing to listen, you know, and um and so um and I know it's it sounds kind of weird coming from a preacher, right?
29:54
SPEAKER_04: But but but you know, you know, you you know, if you're wise, you know, you'll listen to wisdom, you know.
30:02
SPEAKER_04: Right.
30:02
SPEAKER_04: And uh yeah, that's a great question.
30:03
SPEAKER_04: I'm glad you asked that, you know, because it does, it means a lot, you know.
30:06
SPEAKER_04: And I think that, you know, by speaking on behalf of you know Christians, you know, I think that a lot of times we don't we we fail in that area, we fail, especially the Latinos, we fell in educating ourselves.
30:19
SPEAKER_04: You know, you know, we fell in educating ourselves, yeah.
30:22
SPEAKER_04: We fell in educating ourselves, you know.
30:24
SPEAKER_04: Um, yeah, God took me out of the barrio, he took me from the the hood, you know, but you know, but you know, that doesn't mean that I can't better myself, you know, it doesn't mean that I can't seek, you know, um, you know, a better way, you know, to convey my message, you know.
30:39
SPEAKER_04: It's you know, it's you know, it doesn't end there, you know.
30:43
SPEAKER_04: It's you know, and and but at the same time, like for a person like me, I don't never I'll never forget where I come from.
30:49
SPEAKER_04: You know, and I'll be honest with you, man, like some of the best moments that I have is when I'm out there in the streets talking to old, old school veteranos, man.
30:58
SPEAKER_03: Right.
30:59
SPEAKER_04: You know, because I feel like I'm at home when I'm doing that, you know.
31:02
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like it just feels natural, you know.
31:05
SPEAKER_04: So, yeah.
31:06
SPEAKER_04: So I hope I answered your question, man.
31:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, it's all good, man.
31:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's all good, bro.
31:11
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32:20
SPEAKER_00: It's like family, like you have family or even older folks that are cons that are because my dad taught me when I was younger you respect older people, you know, especially in your community.
32:31
SPEAKER_00: And he just taught me that, right?
32:33
SPEAKER_00: And then even like later on in years, I would all I find myself talking to them, like you say, just learning stuff from them that they have learned throughout the years, and you know, that type of wisdom would help me along the way too, you know.
32:47
SPEAKER_00: Uh, I can definitely relate to that.
32:49
SPEAKER_00: So you were mentioning uh we failed to to educate ourselves as Latinos or Hispanics or Mexicans or whatever.
32:57
SPEAKER_00: Uh do you feel like that that that's maybe like a sense of pride on our end?
33:02
SPEAKER_00: I mean, what why do you think that is?
33:04
SPEAKER_04: You know what?
33:05
SPEAKER_04: I don't think it's pride, man.
33:06
SPEAKER_04: Um, I think it's just um being exposed to more, you know, or putting ourselves in a in a place or having somebody, you know, that I'm telling you, man, this this cat that I read from, man, he he has a lot of great points, man.
33:22
SPEAKER_04: And um there's a principle, it's called the the law of the lid.
33:26
SPEAKER_04: And especially like if you're in business, it's a good principle.
33:29
SPEAKER_04: But I use it, I use it for for what I do.
33:32
SPEAKER_04: But the law of the lid is like if you have you have this the bottle, right?
33:36
SPEAKER_04: Like we're drinking water.
33:38
SPEAKER_04: The law of the lid is like, do you have somebody that's acting as a lid in your life?
33:43
SPEAKER_04: Or do you have somebody that's acting as the lid remover?
33:46
SPEAKER_04: In other words, somebody who's gonna give you the opportunity to grow in your potential, to grow in in your capacity, you know.
33:55
SPEAKER_04: And if you have the capacity, then there's a lot, there's a lot of room there for you to grow in your capacity, you know.
34:00
SPEAKER_04: And I think that, you know, I think it's um, I don't think it, I, you know, I mean it could be pride, I think, you know, but I don't think for the most part that it's pride.
34:09
SPEAKER_04: I think it's just, you know, or like in my case, you know, or like you know, you talk you how you have your dad, how he talked to you, having somebody that really believes in you to enough to say, you know what, I know that you can do more, you know.
34:22
SPEAKER_04: You know, I know that you can do better.
34:24
SPEAKER_04: You know, yeah, you know, and like my wife, she's she's a she's a she's a big reason why I I make it a point, you know, to do that, you know, especially like when when it comes to speaking and speaking in public, you know, and uh she she's uh she would, you know, after I would like to say I would speak at an engagement or a church or at a you know in a service, and afterwards my wife would be like, You shouldn't have said that.
34:50
SPEAKER_04: I was like, what I say, you know, I don't remember.
34:53
SPEAKER_04: I'm I'm preaching, you know, I'm I'm excited, you know.
34:56
SPEAKER_04: But then I go back and I listen, I was like, Yeah, you know, you're right.
34:59
SPEAKER_04: I shouldn't have said that, you know.
35:01
SPEAKER_04: You should have said it this way.
35:03
SPEAKER_04: So what she's doing is you know, she's she's she's helping me and mentoring me in that area, you know, where I can learn to be a better conveyor of whatever message that I'm giving, you know.
35:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but yeah, I mean, do you think it's pride, maybe, or or or um no, um I think maybe it in a sense maybe a little bit, you know, but but not for the most part.
35:26
SPEAKER_00: Like uh because I feel like a lot of times like we think we think we know everything, you know what I mean?
35:34
SPEAKER_00: And then that's it.
35:36
SPEAKER_04: That's it, yeah.
35:37
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
35:37
SPEAKER_00: And that's it, and that's not only our our culture either, you know, it it could be different cultures too, because pride it it pride knows no culture, you know what I mean?
35:46
SPEAKER_00: It's every culture is different.
35:48
SPEAKER_00: But I'm saying like because sometimes we can think that we know everything, and it's like no, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna listen to that because I already know, you know what I mean?
35:55
SPEAKER_00: It's like a human, like a human uh uh I guess uh mentality, you know what I mean?
36:04
SPEAKER_00: And then it's because like in because I read Proverbs a lot, Proverbs like if a man who ignores instruction is is basically a fool, you know.
36:11
SPEAKER_00: If you're uh and and when you wouldn't when you ignore that instruction or that wisdom, you know, it's like you're you're fool.
36:25
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
36:25
SPEAKER_00: And and want to get wisdom to to continue to uh you know advance our lives in in whatever way we you think we think is right, you know.
36:35
SPEAKER_00: Uh and it seems like in it seems like in the in the Christians' case, there the way the is right is what you know what God says is right, you know what I mean?
36:45
SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah.
36:46
SPEAKER_00: And like that, it seems like God God is the the made the main proponent in their life to to help them to live the the way he's he has the way he has created them to live, you know what I mean?
36:58
SPEAKER_00: That's it seems like that's the the Christian thought, you know.
37:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh yeah, that's yeah, I don't know.
37:05
SPEAKER_00: I just I just think into that.
37:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so um what do you so like preachers and stuff like that?
37:12
SPEAKER_00: I know you're a preacher yourself, you mentioned.
37:14
SPEAKER_00: Um, how do you feel about like preachers that that come in the news, that that there's a lot of bad news about them?
37:21
SPEAKER_00: Like uh it could be like you know, sexual misconduct or even whatever the make case may be.
37:28
SPEAKER_00: How do you feel about that that type of uh that type of stuff?
37:34
SPEAKER_04: The um well there's a there's a long answer and there's a short answer.
37:40
SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna give a short answer because I don't know we don't have that much time.
37:42
SPEAKER_04: It's okay.
37:44
SPEAKER_04: The short answer, the best way that I can give for that would be um, you know, we're representatives of God.
37:52
SPEAKER_04: And um and God calls us to to the ministry, you know, and to to you know, to preach, to reach people, to you know, to counsel, you know, to um to be there for families and especially those in our church and our church communities.
38:11
SPEAKER_04: And um so yeah, we we have a responsibility given to us by God.
38:16
SPEAKER_04: You know, and that's something to to be taken very seriously because um you know we're held accountable for everything because people look at us, look to us as leaders, you know, and um as but you know, but and this is in no way, you know, um trying to make less of anything that that a Christian or preacher or anybody does that's wrong, and that's you know, like you said, you know, you know, it's come on the headlines and stuff, but you know, we have we have we have still a fallen nature in the sense, in other words, there's still capacity in every one of us to do wrong.
38:55
SPEAKER_04: And um now why somebody makes a decision to do to do wrong, um that's something that that because I don't you know know them on a personal level, you know, but I'm sure that it didn't just start there.
39:08
SPEAKER_04: I'm sure that there's there's been usually for something to be public is because it's been it's probably been brewing for for a while, you know what I mean?
39:17
SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, and and it's hard because people look to us and you know, and when they see something like that, you know, they're like, man, you know, and and it's like a turnoff, you know, like you know, and so and the one that gets the short end of the stick is God, you know, because because it's because right away, you know, everybody naturally just blames God and just blames, you know, God for what happened, you know, and um, but you know, every person is an individual, you know, and and we're called to live a holy life, you know, or the right, especially if you know, you know, in private and in public, you know, not just not just one both ways, you know.
39:59
SPEAKER_04: But um, you know, yeah, um, that's the short answer, you know.
40:05
SPEAKER_04: Like there's still that that tendency to to mess up, you know, to you know, and um, and there's a lot more to that, you know, but it it basically, you know, when when God, going back to the question you asked about, you know, what about people who, you know, they tried it and they seem to fall back, it goes back to that, you know, there's there's there's that tendency in all of us to to slip up and to to sin and to mess up and to you know still, you know, you know, hurt people, you know, and still, you know, offend people and still, you know, it's not right.
40:39
SPEAKER_04: I mean, of course, you know, I don't agree with that, you know what I mean?
40:42
SPEAKER_04: And uh, and the like I said, and the one that always has to pay for it is God.
40:46
SPEAKER_04: You know, you know, we we make the mess and God always has to be the one to clean it up.
40:51
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, and um, and but you know, and um, but I think I think that at one point or another, you know, you know, every one of us is is guilty, you know, of not being good representatives, you know, of who God has called us to be, you know, at one point or another, you know.
41:10
SPEAKER_04: And um, it's just some are more public because they're more in the public eye, you know.
41:15
SPEAKER_04: Like, you know, so you know, so because they're more in the public eye, everything's magnified, you know, you know.
41:22
SPEAKER_04: But and I mean it it, you know, it could happen, you know, in a church, it could happen in a restaurant, it could happen, you know.
41:30
SPEAKER_04: Just, you know, but um, they're just you know, it's um, I think the more public that a person is, then the more it's magnified, you know what I mean?
41:40
SPEAKER_00: You know, yeah, for sure.
41:42
SPEAKER_04: And that's why, you know, of course, you know, you know, recently, you know, you know, you know, all these kind of things that are coming out, you know, that we're seeing on TV and stuff.
41:50
SPEAKER_04: But um, you know, again, you know, you know, um I know that all of us are accountable to God.
41:55
SPEAKER_04: And of course, you know, I think you know, we have to be accountable to the people too, the people that we serve, you know, the people that we lead.
42:01
SPEAKER_04: You know, and um, because you know, some people they want answers.
42:05
SPEAKER_04: Like, why did you why did you do this?
42:07
SPEAKER_04: Why did it happen?
42:08
SPEAKER_04: Yeah and and uh it's never easy, you know, but um, but I know that you know, you know, none of us is none of us is um is um what's what's the word I'm looking for?
42:20
SPEAKER_04: None of us is exempt from messing up, man.
42:24
SPEAKER_04: Doesn't matter, you could be the best preacher in the United States, but we're not exempt from screwing up, man.
42:30
SPEAKER_04: You know, we still have a human tendency to fall back into and to if if we're not careful, if we don't watch our relationship with God and and the way that we live privately and publicly, you know, we could we could just as easily fall into that as anybody else.
42:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know what I mean.
42:47
SPEAKER_00: That makes sense, yeah, for sure.
42:49
SPEAKER_00: So no, it's all good, man.
42:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it it seems like uh it seems like we put the it seems like we magnify the like the the the institution that is the church as a society more than God and what God really, what God says, you know, especially in his word.
43:13
SPEAKER_00: And it seems like we put the the the institutional church, whether it's Pentecostal, Catholic, whatever, we put it so so high a regard that when something like that happens, it's like what happened, you know what I mean?
43:26
SPEAKER_00: You we put them so high up here, and then this still happens, you know what I mean?
43:31
SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like uh it seems like it's a it's a letdown, and it's and it shouldn't be like that because we shouldn't put those institutions you know so highly, you know.
43:42
SPEAKER_00: We should put God more, you know, the creator God more highly than that, you know what I mean?
43:49
SPEAKER_00: So because if you if you look at it, the person that is God, he's he's unflawed, you know what I mean?
43:56
SPEAKER_00: He's he's not he's flawless, and so that we can't.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: Can't blame him if he's the prominent, as opposed to the church being the prominent, you know.
44:07
SPEAKER_00: So it it it's and it seems like that's ingrained in our society and it has been for years, you know.
44:13
SPEAKER_00: Uh so yeah, we're all human, man.
44:16
SPEAKER_00: Definitely.
44:16
SPEAKER_00: I totally agree with that.
44:18
SPEAKER_00: We all make mistakes and nobody's perfect, you know.
44:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and that's that's not to lighten it up or anything, but it's it's it is the truth, though.
44:25
SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's it's just that's why I say that's the short answer.
44:28
SPEAKER_04: The long answer is just a lot to talk about because then we really have to open it up.
44:32
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we could be here for hours.
44:35
SPEAKER_04: Right on, we'll get to the bottom of it, but we'll just be here a long time.
44:39
SPEAKER_00: Cool, man.
44:40
SPEAKER_00: I appreciate you coming on, man.
44:42
SPEAKER_00: Do you have anything else you want to share?
44:44
SPEAKER_04: Um, no, man, uh, thank you so much, man.
44:47
SPEAKER_04: Um, and uh the conversation we had before we started was pretty cool, man.
44:51
SPEAKER_04: You know, like you know, but the music thing, man.
44:54
SPEAKER_04: That's something that I still love it, man.
44:55
SPEAKER_04: I there's I still have a passion for music, and any chance I get, man, I still like to play and and just kind of you know make sure that I still got it, you know.
45:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
45:04
SPEAKER_00: So you play you play bass mostly.
45:06
SPEAKER_00: Did you say you play guitar?
45:08
SPEAKER_00: I don't remember you saying I play guitar, bass, piano, anything for my hands up.
45:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man.
45:15
SPEAKER_04: You know, uh I try singing, uh, I'm not the best, but yeah, no, me either.
45:21
SPEAKER_04: I'll try to get by every now and then.
45:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I I don't do singing at all, man.
45:26
SPEAKER_00: Maybe in the shower, and even at that, my wife's like, you know, can you keep it down, please?
45:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
45:33
SPEAKER_04: No, my wife makes fun of me, man, because I try to do like different things when I sing, and she's like, Don't do that.
45:38
SPEAKER_04: Don't do that, it don't sound good.
45:40
SPEAKER_04: I was like, my mind sounded good.
45:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's funny, like how how we we listen to our wives, like, and we ask her because we know that she's she's kind of looking out for us, you know what I mean?
45:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
45:53
SPEAKER_00: So I do the same thing too.
45:54
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I I always ask for her opinion, like, hey, what do you think of this?
45:58
SPEAKER_00: And and usually her and most times her opinion is oh it always works, you know what I mean?
46:05
SPEAKER_00: It's like if I try mine, I'm like, ah, damn, I should maybe I should maybe next time, whatever, you know.
46:11
SPEAKER_00: Exactly man.
46:12
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47:16
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47:17
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47:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's awesome.
47:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so you have so you're married, you have uh just your daughter, or you have a daughter.
47:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I have uh uh eight-year-old uh Eliana, and she's she's growing up fast too.
47:30
SPEAKER_04: She's getting tall, man.
47:31
SPEAKER_04: And she's about to my wife's shoulders already, and that's pretty tall.
47:35
SPEAKER_04: And uh and uh, but we're we're we're we're gonna try for number two.
47:39
SPEAKER_04: We'll see.
47:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I think I think you're the I think you're the first on the show to be.
47:48
SPEAKER_00: I think you're the oldest so far on the show.
47:51
SPEAKER_00: No, how dare you?
47:55
SPEAKER_00: It's all good.
47:56
SPEAKER_00: You know what, man?
47:56
SPEAKER_00: I've been wanting to get like my one of my aunts or something that are like, you know, they're old, they're old school, man.
48:02
SPEAKER_00: Been in the city for the years, uh, just to get them on, you know, get their see what they just to get them on.
48:07
SPEAKER_00: It'd be cool.
48:08
SPEAKER_00: I think it'd be cool.
48:09
SPEAKER_04: The other day, my wife and I went to buy some shoes for my daughter at uh at Finish Line.
48:14
SPEAKER_04: It's not called Finish Line anymore, it's called JB Sports.
48:18
SPEAKER_04: And you know, I haven't been to the mall.
48:19
SPEAKER_04: Well, well, not I've been to the mall recently, but not to not to that store.
48:23
SPEAKER_04: And and they changed the name, and I was like, Y'all changed the name?
48:28
SPEAKER_04: Well, we're still finish line, but we're in the trans.
48:30
SPEAKER_04: Okay, okay, good, I get it.
48:32
SPEAKER_04: But man, I didn't recognize anybody in that store.
48:35
SPEAKER_04: And then I started talking to them.
48:36
SPEAKER_04: I said, What about this guy?
48:37
SPEAKER_04: And and um, and anyway, they were all looking at me like I was crazy.
48:42
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and I was like, Well, how long have you been here?
48:44
SPEAKER_04: The guy's here, I've been here a long time.
48:46
SPEAKER_04: He goes, I've the guy goes, I've been here like six months.
48:49
SPEAKER_04: I'm like, No, I'm talking about I'm talking about like a year or two years ago.
48:52
SPEAKER_04: Oh, and he's like, hardly any of those guys are here.
48:56
SPEAKER_04: And my wife, my wife looked at me and she says, She says, You know what, Tony?
49:00
SPEAKER_04: She goes, You just got a uh reality check.
49:07
SPEAKER_04: You're outdated already, man.
49:08
SPEAKER_04: I was like, Oh man, dude.
49:13
SPEAKER_04: That's what that's what I'm gonna play.
49:15
SPEAKER_04: Of course, people have to look cool again, man.
49:18
SPEAKER_04: Like they look young.
49:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, heck yeah, man.
49:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so yeah, I've been I've been driving for like man, since maybe like like 12 years or so.
49:30
SPEAKER_00: No, yeah, I don't know, 12 years anyway.
49:32
SPEAKER_00: So they gave me a new truck, like a um they put me in a new truck, like brand new truck.
49:37
SPEAKER_00: And and I was telling somebody the other day, I was like, man, in all my years of driving, I've never had a new truck.
49:43
SPEAKER_00: And I was and I was saying, you know what, they used to always give the old truck to the new truck to the old guys, and that was my reality check.
49:50
SPEAKER_00: Like, dang, I'm an old guy.
49:52
SPEAKER_00: You're getting old, that's what they gave you a new truck.
49:54
SPEAKER_00: Because they gave me a new truck.
49:56
SPEAKER_00: Man, dude, I'm telling you, man.
49:58
SPEAKER_00: I'm telling you, that's funny, man.
50:00
SPEAKER_04: Nah, but uh uh, I'm just old and number, but I still feel okay.
50:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I'm still okay so far.
50:07
SPEAKER_04: You know, I'm you know, yeah, so it's always good to try to pursue a healthier lifestyle, but you know, I'm working on it.
50:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then you posted a picture of the snowball and you tagged us in it.
50:17
SPEAKER_00: That was cool, man.
50:18
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
50:19
SPEAKER_04: Oh man, I love that place.
50:21
SPEAKER_04: Matter of fact, my daughter might want to go there today.
50:23
SPEAKER_04: She she she's always she's always wanting to uh to eat something, uh, you know, like a snack or something.
50:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
50:29
SPEAKER_04: That's that's that's that's it right there, man.
50:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the snowball.
50:33
SPEAKER_00: My uh shoot, my family lives right there, right on Mohawk, like a couple of streets back on on Baldwin.
50:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that's how you we knew it was there, and like there's little taco spots down there too that nobody knows about, man.
50:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's it's it's pretty cool.
50:47
SPEAKER_00: I like the little culture down there.
50:49
SPEAKER_00: I miss it, you know.
50:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's really cool, man.
50:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I miss that culture, and it's like some of the that's the culture that we know, you know, uh uh that's that people in the city, you know.
50:59
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I appreciate it, man.
51:00
SPEAKER_00: Appreciate you coming on.
51:02
SPEAKER_04: Oh, thank you for the invite again, man.
51:03
SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
51:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, anything else?
51:06
SPEAKER_00: Um, uh so how do we find you online if we want to follow your page?
51:10
SPEAKER_00: Or are you on Instagram mostly?
51:12
SPEAKER_04: Oh, my Instagram is uh I should have put my handle.
51:14
SPEAKER_04: I saw you put yours is at AnthonyT75.
51:17
SPEAKER_04: Let me see.
51:18
SPEAKER_04: But uh that's that's my Instagram handle.
51:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the year I was born.
51:28
SPEAKER_04: Oh, nice.
51:29
SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, of course, you know, um our church, you know, we we do live stream.
51:33
SPEAKER_04: We have uh we also have uh uh Instagram account, uh, Victory Live Corpus Christi.
51:38
SPEAKER_04: Okay, Victory Live.
51:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and if anybody wants to ever log in and watch a service, you know, and watch either my pastor or myself speak or another speaker, they they're they're welcome to do that as well.
51:49
SPEAKER_00: And and so I'm sorry, man, I I was gonna say goodbye.
51:52
SPEAKER_00: The the men's home, the is that associated with your church, or yes, I mean how how do people get integrated in there?
51:58
SPEAKER_00: And I mean, if they know anybody.
51:59
SPEAKER_04: If they know anybody, dude.
52:01
SPEAKER_04: Um, we um where's uh I don't have my book with me.
52:04
SPEAKER_04: I had I had another book.
52:06
SPEAKER_04: I have everything like right here, right where I can grab it, but I don't have one of those small books.
52:10
SPEAKER_00: So Vic Victory Life, and that's on that's on Brownley, right?
52:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, use it.
52:16
SPEAKER_00: Victory Life on Brownley near Morgan, guys.
52:19
SPEAKER_00: Check it out if you if you get a chance.
52:21
SPEAKER_00: Uh Anthony is the I think he's a co-pastor there at at uh Victory Life on Brownley.
52:28
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and I pastored the Outcry home.
52:31
SPEAKER_00: This is the Yeah, I've seen that before.
52:34
SPEAKER_00: Outcry in the Barrio.
52:35
SPEAKER_00: If you guys aren't watching, he's holding up a book that says Outcry in the Barrio.
52:40
SPEAKER_00: That's uh that's a prevalent book that's been down here uh in our area, so check it out.
52:45
SPEAKER_00: So that's the name of the uh the men's shelter.
52:48
SPEAKER_00: Is it outcry?
52:49
SPEAKER_00: That's the name of the men's home, outcry in the barrio men's home.
52:52
SPEAKER_04: And we also have a website, outcrycorpus.org.
52:56
SPEAKER_04: Outcrycorpus.org.
52:59
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and on the website it shows uh everything, gives the phases of the home.
53:03
SPEAKER_04: Um, of course, you know, you'll see a picture of myself and my wife on there, and you know, a few photos of the men, you know, they have been through the home and stuff, and it gives a description of everything we do, and you know, and we've been here in Corpus uh since 1980, 1981.
53:18
SPEAKER_04: Wow, and we've been operating here in the same location, we've been here in the same place, 1207 Craig Street.
53:24
SPEAKER_00: 1207 Craig.
53:26
SPEAKER_04: Snack in the middle of everything.
53:28
SPEAKER_00: Nah, for real, it is in the middle of everything.
53:31
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and we and um, of course, you know, when I came, you know, it was in 90 uh between 96 and 97.
53:39
SPEAKER_04: Um, but the home had already been here before the way before that, you know, and so uh I was a resident here, and um, I'll never forget, man.
53:48
SPEAKER_04: I know um well a last story, but um, I was a resident here in '97, and um went through the program, went through the phases and everything, you know, and um, and I finished the program.
54:01
SPEAKER_04: And um back in those days, we have a real big facility now.
54:04
SPEAKER_04: Um, behind me, uh, this is the office.
54:07
SPEAKER_04: Behind me, there's a multi-purpose room, and it goes back like another 50 feet.
54:11
SPEAKER_04: There, we have an upstairs dormitory, uh uh men's dorm.
54:15
SPEAKER_04: Um, we have uh one, two, two uh big restrooms, uh one downstairs, one upstairs.
54:22
SPEAKER_04: Um it's you know a big commercial kitchen, you know, just you know, the whole nine yards, and um but none of none of this was here when I was here.
54:29
SPEAKER_04: When I was here, it was just a little two-story house.
54:32
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
54:32
SPEAKER_04: Like a lot of these little two-story houses you see in the neighborhood, just a small little duplex kind of looking.
54:37
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and when I was here, it was just a little two-story house.
54:40
SPEAKER_04: I think it was it probably no bigger than maybe 40 60 feet by 40, a real small house.
54:47
SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah, when I was here, there was there was about 45 of us here.
54:50
SPEAKER_04: And uh, I'm pretty sure we broke every city code.
54:53
SPEAKER_04: There's a lot of guys, but um there um and and I was a resident here and I was I was you know getting help here.
55:02
SPEAKER_04: And um wow.
55:03
SPEAKER_04: Well anyway, fast forward 2015 when I took over, when I was I was uh I was commissioned to leave the home.
55:12
SPEAKER_04: Um my wife and I and my daughter, we live upstairs in the same place that at one time was the dormitory in the old home.
55:20
SPEAKER_04: Wow, and that's our apartment now.
55:23
SPEAKER_04: And one day I was cleaning and we were preparing it and we were getting ready to move our furniture in.
55:28
SPEAKER_04: And we were I was in my daughter's room.
55:30
SPEAKER_04: Now my daughter's room when I was in the home was the room where men would come in to to have withdrawals from heroin addiction.
55:39
SPEAKER_01: Crazy.
55:40
SPEAKER_04: So those that was the room that we would, you know, it was more private where we would be with them, you know, all day, all night, making sure you know they were gonna get sick, they could, if they needed to throw up or take a shower.
55:51
SPEAKER_04: That was the room that all that took place in, you know.
55:53
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
55:54
SPEAKER_04: You know, I got to see countless heroin addicts, you know, and alcoholics, you know, you know, you know, give their lives to Jesus, you know, and and and get clean, you know, and it happened in that area.
56:04
SPEAKER_04: And I remember I was getting ready because we were moving in and we're prepping my daughter's room.
56:08
SPEAKER_04: That's her room now.
56:10
SPEAKER_04: And um and I'll never forget that you know, I just remembered right up right away, like it came back in a flash.
56:17
SPEAKER_04: I was like, man, I used to live in this house as a resident.
56:20
SPEAKER_04: You know, now, you know, 20 years later, you know, I'm the guy in charge.
56:26
SPEAKER_03: Crazy.
56:27
SPEAKER_04: You know, and it just like it came full circle for me, you know, like wow, man.
56:31
SPEAKER_04: And um, and all I could say is what a difference Jesus makes, you know.
56:35
SPEAKER_04: And um, yeah, and um, I texted my my my pastor, and I I said, and I told him what I'm saying.
56:42
SPEAKER_04: I and I said, listen, I said it's crazy, but I just had a thought.
56:45
SPEAKER_04: I said, I'm here clean, getting ready to move my daughter's things into her room.
56:49
SPEAKER_04: And I just had a realization that this was the place that I was a resident at, you know, back in 1997.
56:56
SPEAKER_04: And he texted he texted me back with just one word, and it just floored me, man.
57:02
SPEAKER_04: And the one word that he texted was the word destiny.
57:05
SPEAKER_04: He said it was your destiny, man.
57:07
SPEAKER_04: I was like, wow, you know, so for me that means a lot, man.
57:10
SPEAKER_04: But yeah, that's that's the home here at 1207 Craig Street.
57:13
SPEAKER_04: And wow, but uh, but yeah, and you know, you know, we have we have a lot of new guys coming in right now, you know, we got a lot of young guys, you know, and we get guys from all over the place, you know.
57:22
SPEAKER_04: Um, of course, from Corpus, you know, uh, Flower Bluff, Gregory, Rockport, and even further out, you know, we have guys coming from the valley, sometimes even from out of state, you know.
57:31
SPEAKER_00: Man, that's tough, man.
57:32
SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
57:36
SPEAKER_00: Is it like a program that I mean how do they get how do they be able to uh to be there or to go through your program or whatever?
57:45
SPEAKER_00: Do they have to like fill out a paperwork or you know what I mean?
57:48
SPEAKER_00: How do they get involved in that?
57:50
SPEAKER_04: We have to do an interview in person with them, and uh course, you know, um we go through all the policies with them, and if they agree and they're willing to to um say, you know what, yeah, I'll I'll go I'll go by your rules and policies.
58:02
SPEAKER_04: Um, of course, you know, um, you know, then we we we get them set signed in and it's free.
58:08
SPEAKER_04: It's there's no charge whatsoever.
58:10
SPEAKER_04: It's been like that ever since we opened the doors back in 1981.
58:14
SPEAKER_00: Wow, yeah.
58:15
SPEAKER_00: Is there like a set amount of time that they have to be there?
58:19
SPEAKER_04: So the recommended time is three three to six months.
58:22
SPEAKER_04: And we recommend the longer one because it just takes a little bit longer for for the we call it like the real person, you know, because a lot of times, you know, you know, we you know, because I was I was a drug addict, you know, we always have the you know, I'm gonna change, and and sometimes we put a hustle on, you know, and and you know, we can act good for a month or two, but you can't keep up the act that long.
58:44
SPEAKER_04: Usually after two, three months, you know, you start you start to see, you know, oh okay, you know, okay, that's what we need to do.
58:51
SPEAKER_04: We need we need to work on that, you know.
58:53
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
58:53
SPEAKER_04: And so we always recommend the longer time because we want to make sure that these guys go back to their families, you know, get changed, you know.
59:01
SPEAKER_04: Of course, we can't change them, only God can if they if they allow him.
59:05
SPEAKER_04: But you know, the time that they get to spend here with us, you know, especially the longer they spend here, just gives us more insight into their behavior, you know, into areas that need to be addressed, you know, that needed that where they need to make changes at, you know.
59:18
SPEAKER_04: And uh, so so I always recommend the long the longer stay, you know.
59:22
SPEAKER_04: Right now it's it's three to six months.
59:23
SPEAKER_00: So wow, that's that's cool how you how you wear how it's like three to six months because you know that after a month they're they they can't keep up the hustle, like you said.
59:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, wow, that's that's crazy, bro.
59:36
SPEAKER_00: Wow, man.
59:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, check it out, you guys.
59:37
SPEAKER_00: Outcry.
59:38
SPEAKER_00: Um, and you can find Anthony right here, Anthony T75.
59:43
SPEAKER_00: And you can find you know, message him.
59:45
SPEAKER_00: People can message you, right?
59:46
SPEAKER_00: They'll find you on Instagram all the time.
59:47
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
59:48
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they can on Instagram, they can DM me or on Facebook, you know, um Anthony Torres.
59:52
SPEAKER_04: Um even on the website, they go to our website, they can they can send us a message to the website, and we'll get it on our on our Facebook page.
1:00:00
SPEAKER_00: Okay, cool.
1:00:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and I'll leave linked it to the Facebook page that we have.
1:00:04
SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, and those links will be in the description of this uh this episode when I put it when I drop it, so you guys can check it out there.
1:00:11
SPEAKER_00: One more time.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_00: I appreciate you, Anthony.
1:00:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've had I've had guests on here before, and it's just part of the culture where we say goodbye like five times until we leave.
1:00:24
SPEAKER_04: You sounding like a preacher now, yeah.
1:00:27
SPEAKER_04: That's what preachers are.
1:00:28
SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna finish.
1:00:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is my never finish.
1:00:32
SPEAKER_00: That's funny, man.
1:00:33
SPEAKER_04: They never finished, man.
1:00:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, that's funny.
1:00:37
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, one more time.
1:00:39
SPEAKER_00: I appreciate you, Anthony.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, I got another guest in a little bit, so I gotta get prepared for that.
1:00:44
SPEAKER_00: And uh, yeah, we'll talk soon.
1:00:46
SPEAKER_00: Okay, thank you again.
1:00:48
SPEAKER_00: All right, y'all.
1:00:48
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