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CA Primary Election Preliminary Results | ‘Medical News’ with Dr. Jim Keany · The Bill Handel Show

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Speaker 2: shrink that I go with twice a week. Have I
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Speaker 2: shared with you that I go to psychologist twice a week?
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Speaker 2: Have I shared that with you before? What's that exactly?
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Speaker 2: I go to a shrink twice a week, Tuesdays and Thursdays. Tuesdays, yeah,
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Speaker 2: well yeah she did, but I got another one and
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Speaker 2: Tuesday it's I hate my mother, want to have sex
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Speaker 2: with a dog.
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Speaker 3: And on Thursday it is the reverse. Okay, what happened yesterday?
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Speaker 2: And we well, we had an election, didn't we a
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Speaker 2: primary election? And there are two races that actually had
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Speaker 2: national import One of them is the governor's race and
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Speaker 2: the other one is the mayor's race. The mayor's race, well,
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Speaker 2: actually both of them don't really have a lot of importance.
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Speaker 3: And here's why.
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Speaker 2: With the governor, it almost doesn't matter what a governor
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Speaker 2: wants to do in this state because the state legislature
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Speaker 2: it's a supermajority, which means that whatever the legislature passes,
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Speaker 2: it's veto proof.
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Speaker 3: It's all. It's that simple.
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Speaker 2: Now, there are some bureaucratic matters that the governor does have.
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Speaker 3: But for example, you've got Republican.
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Speaker 2: Steve Hilton, who was in the top two as against
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Speaker 2: Democrat Xavier Javier Bassea and Steve Hilton. And we're talking
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Speaker 2: about people who are in this state well, I'm going
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Speaker 2: to make gas cheaper. I am going to cut the
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Speaker 2: gas tax, the California gas tax.
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Speaker 3: You can't. You can't. The state legislature is the only
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Speaker 3: people that can do that. That's the only authority. How
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Speaker 3: do you do that?
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Speaker 2: And by the way, if you try, we have the supermajority,
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Speaker 2: So you don't have the authority. And if you tried,
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Speaker 2: you still can't do it. And so how important is
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Speaker 2: the race. It's more of a I believe, a philosophical
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Speaker 2: attack on the the the current situation, just how we're living.
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Speaker 2: You know, we're just done. A lot of malaise goes
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Speaker 2: in there. And this now we go back to this.
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Speaker 2: This is the Trump election time when President Trump won
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Speaker 2: the first time out, and that is people were just
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Speaker 2: tired of what was going on. We're done, and a
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Speaker 2: lot of what's happening here is we're done, which is
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Speaker 2: why you have super conservatives that have done really well.
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Speaker 2: Steve Hilton, for example, he actually was ahead of Javier Bosara.
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Speaker 3: We'll see what happens in the general.
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Speaker 2: I would think I think he would have a hard
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Speaker 2: time winning, by the way, but Sarah has the machinery
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Speaker 2: behind him. He was in the Biden administration in the
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Speaker 2: cabinet and Tom Steyer didn't have a chance. Why is
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Speaker 2: that because he tried to buy the election. Also he
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Speaker 2: was a one issue one is your campaign the environment?
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Speaker 3: That was it. Well, there's a lot more to be said.
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Speaker 2: And the other thing I want to point out about
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Speaker 2: Bessarah and many other candidates in his acceptance or his
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Speaker 2: not accepting because he hasn't been elected. In his win
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Speaker 2: conversation as he went in front of his of his followers,
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Speaker 2: like my parents, I never gave up and thankfully neither
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Speaker 2: did you. And why because he is the children of immigrants,
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Speaker 2: and doesn't that seem to now be you have to
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Speaker 2: that's mandated. If you are not the children of immigrants
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Speaker 2: and you did not grow poor, you can't run for
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Speaker 2: office and get elected. People who are middle class or
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Speaker 2: even god forbid, wealthy can't get elected. You have to
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Speaker 2: have Marco Rubio, Cuban refugees, Besarah, refugees from wherever the
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Speaker 2: hell country comes from whatever. And that's the other thing.
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Speaker 2: It has to basically be a Hispanic Hispanic background, which
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Speaker 2: makes sense in southern California or California in general. The
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Speaker 2: other thing is not only can you not be middle
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Speaker 2: class or rich. You have to talk about how difficult
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Speaker 2: it was for you as a child growing up, and
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Speaker 2: how poor you were, and how you beat the odds,
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Speaker 2: and how you walked four miles through the snow uphill
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Speaker 2: barefooted both ways from the house to the school and
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Speaker 2: sometimes it snowed so badly that you couldn't even see
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Speaker 2: in front of you and you live in Palm Springs,
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Speaker 2: and it is just, hey, welcome to modern day politics.
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Speaker 2: So on the conservative side, it helps to be a
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Speaker 2: trumpist for sure, and on the liberal side you sort
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Speaker 2: of have to come up from nothing children of immigrants.
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Speaker 2: We've gone crazy. You know that we've gone crazy. Okay,
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Speaker 2: So that is the race for governor. It's going to
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Speaker 2: be Steve Hilton and Javier Bassa. I think that Massarah
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Speaker 2: is gonna win. That's just my guests, Okay. So I
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Speaker 2: just talked about the governor's race, and so I want
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Speaker 2: to go into the La mayor's race. And I think
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Speaker 2: that's really the national import here and that is the
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Speaker 2: Karen bass the mayor. And the reason is the mayor's
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Speaker 2: race in La is relatively important is because the two
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Speaker 2: cities in which the mayor automatically becomes a national figure
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Speaker 2: is New York and Los Angeles. New York this time
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Speaker 2: around was the big, big story with mom Donnie the socialist.
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Speaker 2: They call himself Democratic Socialists. Well yeah, okay, because you
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Speaker 2: can be a communist and we be a democratic communist
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Speaker 2: in this country as long as you get the election,
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Speaker 2: as long as you get the votes. Anyway, you have
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Speaker 2: an existing mayor, current mayor Karen Bass. She is going
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Speaker 2: into the runoff absolutely. Now it's a question of who
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Speaker 2: is going into the runoff in November against her, because
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Speaker 2: we have two challengers since Spencer Trapp, Pratt and city
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Speaker 2: council person Nithia Rahman, and they're battling for second spot,
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Speaker 2: and they're close enough to know we don't know now
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Speaker 2: Pratt's in second place, Rahman was in third. Couple of
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Speaker 2: very interesting stories here. I think Pratt is really the
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Speaker 2: big story because you've got Karen Bass, a just standard
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Speaker 2: run of the mill politico. The democratic machinery backs her up.
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Speaker 2: She has been in politics in California forever. She was
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Speaker 2: a Speaker of the Assembly, she was a congress person,
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Speaker 2: and so her running and one as mayor, so that's
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Speaker 2: sort of running the mill. Pratt in interesting guy. He
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Speaker 2: lost his home in the January twenty twenty five Palisades fire,
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Speaker 2: so automatically that is a big point that he makes
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Speaker 2: with a lot of credibility in attacking Karen Bass and
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Speaker 2: the city for not doing enough. I lost my home. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's that's a pretty good reason. And his investment is
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Speaker 2: that's not just political. He's also a former He's a
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Speaker 2: former reality star on a show that I've never heard of.
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Speaker 3: By the way, I have, I don't pardon I have?
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Speaker 3: What is iche? Yeah? What is that? What are The
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Speaker 3: Hills about?
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Speaker 2: So?
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Speaker 1: The Hills, well, it came out of this other reality
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Speaker 1: show called Laguna Beat, which happened followed a bunch of
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Speaker 1: teenagers and Laguna Beats, Well, the star of that show
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Speaker 1: ended up moving to la and they did another reality
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Speaker 1: show called The Hills, where just followed a bunch of
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Speaker 1: young people, young pretty people and you know, going to
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Speaker 1: parties and working and all that stuff. And Spencer was
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend of the main character's best friend, Ah, and
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Speaker 1: he was kind of a villain. He was a really
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Speaker 1: good reality show villain. Now I really want to be
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Speaker 1: reality show gold. Like really, it's one of those guys
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Speaker 1: all right.
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Speaker 2: And he's also obviously very right wing or not obviously,
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Speaker 2: he told reporters after coming in second or third, probably second,
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Speaker 2: probably be him and Karen Bass in the runoff in November, quote, well,
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Speaker 2: obviously God wanted five more months of me exposing all
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Speaker 2: the failures of our mayor.
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Speaker 3: So it's going to be a fun ride.
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Speaker 2: Now I am wondering, because I thought God was too
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Speaker 2: busy watching basketball games or football games and decides which
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Speaker 2: side is going to win because both sides are on
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Speaker 2: their knees praying to God, and therefore, whoever wins, that's
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Speaker 2: the decision, because well, everything is forecast, right, So at
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Speaker 2: this point, maybe he's gonna say, God, here's the problem.
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Speaker 2: If God wants him to win and he loses, does
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Speaker 2: that make every atheist in southern California have more credibility
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Speaker 2: than before?
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Speaker 3: Just wanted to point that out.
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Speaker 4: It is.
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Speaker 2: I think the interesting part of all of these races
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Speaker 2: is you have and I'm going to go back to
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Speaker 2: analogizing this to Donald Trump and why he won the
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Speaker 2: first time around. Obviously because a Hillary Clinton everybody hated
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Speaker 2: and rightly so, and as much as I didn't want
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Speaker 2: President Trump to win, I couldn't vote for Hillary because
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Speaker 2: I just couldn't vote that when I voted for the
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Speaker 2: dead guerrilla out of the.
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Speaker 3: Cincinnati Zoo as a write in.
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Speaker 2: And that is just the not only the malaise and
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Speaker 2: just the fatigue of what's going on, just tiredness, but
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Speaker 2: also everything is going wrong, or we perceive everything is
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Speaker 2: going wrong, and someone coming in and saying, I will
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Speaker 2: take care of you, I will lower prices, I will
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Speaker 2: make it more affordable for you, I will make your
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Speaker 2: life better. When's the last time a politician actually was
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Speaker 2: able to do that?
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Speaker 3: Now, they didn't want to tell you what.
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Speaker 2: I'll even give them the benefit of the doubt that
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Speaker 2: they want to and want to do everything they can,
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Speaker 2: as opposed to just being completely cynical and saying, of
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Speaker 2: course I'm going to say that just to get elected,
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Speaker 2: so which I think happens a lot. But okay, give
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Speaker 2: them the benefit of the doubt. How about reality? How
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Speaker 2: about just reality. Karen Bass I think is vulnerable on
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Speaker 2: the fire issue, and she's handling it horribly.
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Speaker 3: She blew it.
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Speaker 2: She went to Ghana, as you know, at the beginning
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Speaker 2: of the fire and didn't come back when.
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Speaker 3: She was warned.
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Speaker 2: Oh she says she wasn't, which is a croc that
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Speaker 2: we are when some of the worst fire danger in
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Speaker 2: Southern California history wins up to one hundred miles an
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Speaker 2: hour and the dry brush and she wasn't here. After
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Speaker 2: promising she would not leave the city and would not
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Speaker 2: go overseas, and she did and blew it. Now the
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Speaker 2: only thing she has said is I regret some of
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Speaker 2: the things that I have done.
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Speaker 3: Hey, why don't you just come out and say I
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Speaker 3: blew it? There is I blew it.
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Speaker 2: And during the course of the campaign, and every time
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Speaker 2: she's attacked for it, she goes.
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Speaker 3: You know what, you're right, I blew it. I made
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Speaker 3: a mistake.
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Speaker 2: And if you want to make and if the people
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Speaker 2: of Los Angeles want to make that the important point
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Speaker 2: of this election, Okay, I concede.
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Speaker 3: I blew it. Now.
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Speaker 2: Would you like to talk about the issues surrounding Los Angeles?
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Speaker 2: Would you like to talk about homelessness? Would you like
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Speaker 2: to talk about crime? Would you like to talk about
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Speaker 2: some of the other issues?
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Speaker 3: And that's how to put I think to put it
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Speaker 3: to bed. Yeah, now what, okay?
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Speaker 2: That's you know, for example, when I meet people and
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Speaker 2: they'll they'll come up to me and say, you know,
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Speaker 2: you're the worst talk show host I've ever heard. I go,
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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more. Now, let's talk about
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Speaker 2: some of the issues you shouldn't be on radio. You're
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Speaker 2: absolutely right. I don't understand how they could hire you.
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Speaker 2: I don't understand it either. Now, would you like to
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Speaker 2: talk about some issues? And politicians don't do that? And
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Speaker 2: I think that would disarm and that'll run. Now when
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Speaker 2: I blew it, I blew it, I blew it. You
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Speaker 2: know that's that's gonna run. And she has to run
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Speaker 2: ads going the other way, agreeing with it and then saying,
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Speaker 2: now let's talk about real issues with the city, but
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Speaker 2: that will never happen. All Right, It's time for medical
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Speaker 2: News with doctor Jim Keeney, chief medical officer for Dignity
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Speaker 2: Saint Mary Medical Center in Long Beach and a certified,
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Speaker 2: honest to god nobs er surgeon that has all the
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Speaker 2: credentials there and I've seen them because I've asked many times.
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Speaker 4: Good morning, Jim, Good morning Bill.
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Speaker 2: All Right, a couple of issues, and we've talked about
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Speaker 2: this before, and we are looking at for real and
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Speaker 2: we thought this was going to happen and has panned
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Speaker 2: out childhood diseases and the vaccination decline. I don't know
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Speaker 2: if real numbers have come out yet, but there is
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Speaker 2: no issue that every anecdotal story has proven this out.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's true. The bottom line is that children's hospitals
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Speaker 4: especially are taking the brunt and a lot of preventable illnesses,
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Speaker 4: you know, like protessis are coming back to the hospital
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Speaker 4: and selling the beds. So, I mean, it's funny, right
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Speaker 4: because people are always trying to say, oh, you know,
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Speaker 4: big medicine, they're trying to push this or push that.
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Speaker 4: I mean, we're literally trying to push vaccines that will
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Speaker 4: reduce the number of people that come to the hospital.
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Speaker 4: Hospitals pick their money off taking care of people in
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Speaker 4: the hospital, So you know, this is a way. We
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Speaker 4: don't want this kind of business, right. We want people
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Speaker 4: to stay healthy to the extent that they can, and
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Speaker 4: if it's preventable, let's prevent it and then use the
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Speaker 4: hospital to take care of people that really need it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: In some crazy way, I can see the argument on
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Speaker 2: behalf of the no vaccine people coming from the medical
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Speaker 2: world saying a vaccine is two bucks and we throw
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Speaker 2: it in your arm, then we're done. But if you
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Speaker 2: catch the disease, we're now putting you in the hospital
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Speaker 2: and we get to treat and the doctors get to
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Speaker 2: get paid and that's all good stuff.
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Speaker 4: So yeah, we get I mean, that's what people don't understand. Doctors,
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Speaker 4: don't they. You know, a lot of times they have
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Speaker 4: to get the vaccines from the county, and you know,
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Speaker 4: for free because of how much they cost. If they
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Speaker 4: can get those to give them out, then they still
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Speaker 4: have to pay somebody to administer them. And then in
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Speaker 4: those cases they don't charge the insurance company when they
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Speaker 4: when they buy their own and charge the insurance company,
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Speaker 4: it really doesn't cover all the cost. So I mean,
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Speaker 4: the bottom line is this is a losing proposition financially
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Speaker 4: for doctors. But it's a you know, it's something that
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Speaker 4: they all feel is very important and that's why they
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Speaker 4: do it.
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Speaker 3: So we have a real percentages you have.
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Speaker 4: Measles, If you get measles, you're going to come see
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Speaker 4: the doctor if they pay more money that way.
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Speaker 2: I do they have real numbers yet in terms of
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Speaker 2: the studies that x percent increase in the number of
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Speaker 2: these diseases versus what it was when vaccines were more prevalent,
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Speaker 2: well just.
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Speaker 4: In the last few years. So in protest's cases there
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Speaker 4: are about seven thousand and twenty twenty three and there
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Speaker 4: were twenty eight thousand last year, so four times more
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Speaker 4: than a four times increase there.
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Speaker 2: So I still don't get the anti vaxxers how they
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Speaker 2: go in light of the medicine and light of the
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Speaker 2: evidence here. And we've talked before. I'm a huge fan
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Speaker 2: of vaccines. I get vaccinated for everything there is, and
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Speaker 2: I'll even go to the vet and get vaccinated for
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Speaker 2: distemper on parvo because I just I just do it
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Speaker 2: a lot. And I went to the doctor, my physical
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Speaker 2: and literally the nurse said, hey, do you want your
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Speaker 2: COVID shot? And I said absolutely, And they're still giving
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Speaker 2: COVID shots even though you know, COVID is not a
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Speaker 2: big deal anymore. So it's fair to say that as
17:24
Speaker 2: these crazy anti vaxxers are getting more and more traction,
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Speaker 2: you're seeing more people, more kids getting sick. And I
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Speaker 2: don't get it because see a parent looking at a
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Speaker 2: child just horribly ill because of the measles or protessis
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Speaker 2: for example, And was the anti vaxxer, you know, what
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Speaker 2: are they thinking?
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Speaker 3: What are they thinking.
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Speaker 2: Have you ever run into a parent who feels, oops,
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Speaker 2: I made a mistake.
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Speaker 3: Have you seen that.
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Speaker 1: You know?
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Speaker 4: None of that, I'll really admit it at the time.
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Speaker 4: I mean, the bottom line is it's an emotional decision
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Speaker 4: a lot of times they're making and they feel like
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Speaker 4: they have concerns. Right, so you have this vague anxiety
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Speaker 4: and concern overgiving your kid a vaccine. You've heard, you know,
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Speaker 4: very confident people saying this is absolutely true. And sometimes
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Speaker 4: like trusted people that are celebrities or you know that
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Speaker 4: are And why you would trust a celebrity over a doctor,
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Speaker 4: I don't know, but that you know that's the case.
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Speaker 4: That's not what people do. And you hear that these
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Speaker 4: things are connected, and there may be some chances that
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Speaker 4: are connected. And everybody loves a conspiracy theory that maybe
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Speaker 4: somebody's hiding something somewhere. So it's a weird dynamic right
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Speaker 4: now going on that almost if a drug is approved
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Speaker 4: by the FDA, it's almost a black mark against it,
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Speaker 4: right because the FDA must be tainted as well. So
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Speaker 4: if if a drug has been rejected by the FDA,
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Speaker 4: it's like, oh well, then that must really work. They're
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Speaker 4: hiding the good stuff from us, right, It's crazy, right.
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Speaker 2: Now, it is okay, okay, Jim and we talked about
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Speaker 2: this topic many many times, and that is the myth
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Speaker 2: of sleep drugs impairing driving the next day.
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Speaker 3: Would you care to comment on that?
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Speaker 4: So you know, I know you have a vested interest
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Speaker 4: in this. Unfortunately, this you know, we have lots of data.
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Speaker 4: This is just one more study that shows that when
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Speaker 4: you do take sleeping medications that they have the potential
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Speaker 4: to impair driving after they've worn off. So, yeah, you
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Speaker 4: wake up the next morning, you may feel refreshed, you
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Speaker 4: may feel like you had a good night's sleep, but
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Speaker 4: you still may not be as good at driving as
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Speaker 4: you thought you were.
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Speaker 2: Huh, okay, So what if you start I'm going to
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Speaker 2: get personal here. What if you start with the fact
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Speaker 2: that you're a bad driver like I am.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's when you yeah, you have no hope. Basically,
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Speaker 4: a self driving car that's your only option. No, it's
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Speaker 4: this study that we're talking about as a small study,
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Speaker 4: but it definitely it looked at Sarah Quel specifically, and
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Speaker 4: that's not the typically first go to sleeping aid, although
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Speaker 4: some people like it because it has been shown to
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Speaker 4: actually reduce sleep ATNA in the process where other medications
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Speaker 4: may increase sleep ATNA. It's not FDA approved from insomnia,
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Speaker 4: but it's used that way. And in this case it
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Speaker 4: was specifically that sarah quil they looked at and the
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Speaker 4: next day there was impairment in driving.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about that for a moment, Not that
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Speaker 2: specific drugs, but the fact that it's not FDA approved
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Speaker 2: and any doctor can use virtually any drug off label
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Speaker 2: because well, he or she says, well, I think I
20:44
Speaker 2: think this is going to work, even though the drug
20:46
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with whatever ailment is in front
20:50
Speaker 2: of the doctor.
20:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean it's not done like Willy Nilly is. Basically,
20:56
Speaker 4: if there's some suggestion that a drug might be good
20:59
Speaker 4: for something, people tend to to do studies like this.
21:02
Speaker 4: In this case for cercoil, there are studies done in
21:06
Speaker 4: using it as a sleep aid. So those studies don't
21:08
Speaker 4: rise to the level of FDA approval because the drug
21:13
Speaker 4: company had to put it through that process and you know,
21:16
Speaker 4: pay the money and do all that, and they're not
21:19
Speaker 4: necessarily going to do all that, and they're not going
21:20
Speaker 4: to go through all that trouble when it's already a
21:22
Speaker 4: legal drug to use and it's approved by the FDA.
21:25
Speaker 4: So physicians just want to know there's some scientific backing
21:29
Speaker 4: to say that the stuff could actually work to help
21:32
Speaker 4: somebody in a certain condition. And that's that's why we
21:35
Speaker 4: use things off label.
21:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's not a requirement that there has to
21:39
Speaker 2: be a connection, correct. I mean the doctor can basically
21:43
Speaker 2: again use almost any draw on if he or she
21:46
Speaker 2: thinks that this may have some ameliator of ameliorated. Yeah,
21:51
Speaker 2: it could help as well, Yes, could help.
21:56
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, we're we're completely allowed. I mean it's from
21:59
Speaker 4: am a drug writing dea you know, legal perspective. Yeah,
22:03
Speaker 4: we can write a drug that has is legally approved
22:08
Speaker 4: by the FDA for any use. We can write for
22:12
Speaker 4: anything we want.
22:13
Speaker 1: Now.
22:13
Speaker 4: Of course, again we wouldn't do that unless we had
22:16
Speaker 4: some reason to believe it's going to help somebody.
22:19
Speaker 2: Hey, the GLP one drugs that are now popular, which
22:23
Speaker 2: a lot of people consider the magic bullet for a
22:26
Speaker 2: weight loss, and it's just close to a magic bullets exists,
22:30
Speaker 2: I think, and that is it's a diabetic drug if
22:34
Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, And all they do is just turbo
22:38
Speaker 2: it to the point where it becomes a weight loss medication.
22:43
Speaker 3: Wasn't there any danger that when you take.
22:45
Speaker 2: A drug and really move up the dose, there there's
22:49
Speaker 2: an issue as to.
22:50
Speaker 3: Your health.
22:52
Speaker 4: Potentially, Yeah, you know you can. That's what you're looking
22:57
Speaker 4: at if you want to use always the lowest level
23:00
Speaker 4: prescription that you can you can use for a specific drug.
23:05
Speaker 4: In the cases of exempic and wago via, the starting
23:09
Speaker 4: doses are really actually similar to diabetic doses, so they're
23:13
Speaker 4: not super high there. I mean, people do end up
23:16
Speaker 4: on higher doses, but they're given in a wise manner.
23:20
Speaker 4: A lot of times, even if you're going to end
23:22
Speaker 4: up at a higher dose, it's better to start at
23:24
Speaker 4: the lower dose, so your body kind of gets adjusted
23:27
Speaker 4: to it a little bit and some of the side
23:29
Speaker 4: effects are not as bad. So when you say magic bolt,
23:32
Speaker 4: typically magic bullet, we think of right as the magic
23:35
Speaker 4: bullet that can go can maybe go through a crowd,
23:38
Speaker 4: go around corners, and still hit only the person you
23:43
Speaker 4: or the target of whatever it is you're intended to hit.
23:47
Speaker 4: And so you're right, it is pretty close to that,
23:49
Speaker 4: but it still does have side effects, uh, and other
23:53
Speaker 4: you know issues that you want to try and avoid,
23:56
Speaker 4: especially if you don't need the drugs. So yeah, I
24:00
Speaker 4: think you're right close to that. But dose wise, it
24:03
Speaker 4: isn't that far off from diabetic dosing.
24:05
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So with that being said, I had
24:09
Speaker 2: I had never heard of a diabetic a dose of
24:13
Speaker 2: that medication for diabetes connected to weight loss. That just
24:18
Speaker 2: seemed when the medication became hugely popular. Did you see
24:22
Speaker 2: that or were you aware of that and were the
24:24
Speaker 2: studies out there?
24:25
Speaker 4: Yeah? No, I was aware of it. What happened is,
24:28
Speaker 4: you know, doctors were seeing across the board that people
24:32
Speaker 4: on this drug were losing weight, and so they began
24:36
Speaker 4: prescribing it first for people with diabetes, and they saw
24:39
Speaker 4: they lost weight. Then they saw people with elevated H
24:42
Speaker 4: one C you know emglomen one sees that were that's
24:47
Speaker 4: a suggestive of pre diabetes, and so they started prescribing
24:50
Speaker 4: it for that and they got better, and then they realized, hey,
24:53
Speaker 4: you know, this is really good for weight loss, and
24:57
Speaker 4: so they started prescribing it just for weight loss off label,
25:00
Speaker 4: and that's that's how it all snowballed into it. But
25:03
Speaker 4: in this case, you know, the drug company knew that
25:05
Speaker 4: this was a Blockbuster in a way that they could.
25:08
Speaker 4: It actually is worth getting FDA approval because then it's
25:12
Speaker 4: a very expensive drug. So when you use drugs off label,
25:15
Speaker 4: you may not get it covered by your insurance company.
25:18
Speaker 4: But in this case, they want to get it covered
25:20
Speaker 4: by the insurance company to the extent they can. That's
25:22
Speaker 4: why they paid the extra money to go and have
25:25
Speaker 4: it FDA approved.
25:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you say it's a very expensive drug, I
25:29
Speaker 2: mean obviously for people that are litting a hand to
25:33
Speaker 2: mouth and have a rough time, But three to four
25:36
Speaker 2: hundred dollars a month or one fifty to three hundred
25:39
Speaker 2: dollars a month seems relatively low as compared to almost
25:43
Speaker 2: any other medication that is on brand that you buy
25:47
Speaker 2: without insurance.
25:49
Speaker 4: I don't know, Bill, I mean, I bet you half
25:51
Speaker 4: the population lives off that much as far as their
25:54
Speaker 4: entire food budget, soul, you're essentially yet you're taking their
25:58
Speaker 4: entire food budget and turning in and doing that. So
26:01
Speaker 4: that's the problem. You know, for people on the higher
26:03
Speaker 4: end going to restaurants and you know, going out regularly,
26:06
Speaker 4: I bet you they saved three hundred dollars a month
26:09
Speaker 4: in restaurant bills, you know, like being on the stuff.
26:12
Speaker 2: So yeah, that makes sense, and that's the other side
26:14
Speaker 2: of it, because you simply don't eat as much. You're
26:16
Speaker 2: not even close, all right, Jim, we'll contact you and
26:19
Speaker 2: talk to you next week.
26:21
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