Latest / UK Column Radio / UK Column News Podcast 19th August 2024

Transcript

UK Column News Podcast 19th August 2024 · UK Column Radio

0:08
Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Monday, the nineteenth of August twenty twenty four,
0:11
just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK Colin News. I'm
0:13
your host Make Robinson joining me by video link. Today
0:16
we have Alex Thompson and Ben Rubin. Welcome to the program.
0:20
Speaker 2: Both.
0:20
Speaker 1: Now we're going to get kicked off with barbed wir
0:23
because of course lots of people being sent to prison
0:26
and the government has announced the relaunch of Operation Early Dawn,
0:31
so they said in their press release. In recent weeks
0:34
prisons in the North of England have been have seen
0:36
hundreds of people enter the prison estate after the government
0:39
took decisive action to tackle violent thuggery on our streets.
0:43
This has exacerbated long standing capacity issues in our prisons,
0:47
which have been operating at critical levels for the last
0:49
several years, often at with under one percent capacity. To
0:53
manage these pressures, ISH and Prison and Probation Service has
0:56
reactivated an existing continuency mechanism, Operation Early Dawn, providing extra
1:02
oversight for prisoners of prisoner transfers between police courts and custody.
1:07
This means the defenders will be summoned to a magistrates
1:09
court only when it is confirmed that a cell in
1:12
the prisoner state is ready for them. Should they be
1:14
remanded in custody, they will be held in a police
1:17
station until they're summoned the court. The activation of Operation
1:21
Early Dawn helps to manage the prison capacity pressure felt
1:25
in the short term in a small number of regions.
1:28
This action has been taken to ensure that we always
1:30
have enough prison spaces to lock up those who choose
1:33
to break the law. So that's what the UK government
1:36
had to say. This is what Lord Timpson had to say.
1:39
He said, Prisons improbation Minister, we inherited a justice system
1:42
in crisis and exposed to shocks. As a result, we've
1:46
been forced into making difficult but necessary decisions to keep
1:49
it operating. So what is it that they're doing well.
1:52
Operation Early Dawn is part of a number of changes
1:55
to make room or make space in the prisoner's state.
1:59
According to them, it comes into force in early September.
2:02
It gives the Provision Service the time they need to
2:05
safely release offenders. So part and parcel to this is
2:08
all about, as they had already announced, getting current offenders
2:12
out of prison so they can make space for all
2:15
those nasty right wingers and an operational assessment being made
2:19
each morning and throughout the day in order to make
2:22
sure who they can move out of police cells into
2:24
prison cells and vice versa. They say that when it
2:28
previously operated, Operation Early Dawn has helped to minimize disruption
2:31
bail hearings and manage the movement of prisoners across the
2:35
justice of state. And they're saying that it's going to
2:37
be mainly in these regions Northeast and Yorkshire, Cumbria and Lancashire, Manchester, Merseyside,
2:42
in Cheshire, East and West Midlands. So first of all, Alex,
2:47
maybe I could welcome you to the program and just
2:50
get your thoughts on this. They're relaunching this, they say,
2:56
as I mentioned, in order to deal with the whole
2:59
business of getting people into prison awareness three. But of
3:03
course they have to make space first. What are your
3:06
thoughts on it?
3:08
Speaker 2: Fundamentally unlawful mentioned throughout is made here of the justice system,
3:14
the justice estate, not the law of the land. And
3:18
it's signally important that Lord Timpson quite right that you
3:22
put the Lord in inverted commerce, given the state of
3:24
the Upper Chamber these days that he's talked about magistrates courts,
3:28
because these are the unlawful courts with no juries nor
3:32
indeed professional judges, so you don't get either the benefit
3:35
of a judgment by peers or people learned in the law.
3:39
These are the presumptions that he's operating under. That people
3:42
go to magistrates court. There's also a presumption there might
3:44
that people will be found guilty and sent down by
3:47
the beak as it used to be called in the
3:49
magistrates courts. Even within the law system of England and Wales,
3:52
it's notorious that the magistrates will convict with no questions asked.
3:56
This is relevent of some of the district attorneys in
3:59
the States, indeed some of the far Eastern systems, not
4:01
just communist China, actually Japan equally, where the presumption is
4:05
you've got a ninety nine percent conviction rate, and the
4:08
authorities wouldn't send people offer trial if they didn't know
4:11
they were guilty, So there's no discount rate being applied
4:13
there for people being found innocent, much less by a
4:15
jury of their peers. Now that list of regions of
4:19
England that you read out is the northern half of
4:22
where the population gravity is in England. There's an equal
4:26
dense population area south of the West Midlands, London and
4:29
the Southeast in particular. But these aren't being mentioned, despite
4:33
the prevalence of all kinds of criminality and all the
4:35
favorite buzzwords like Islamism. No, it's because the North of
4:38
England had more people such as the woman in her
4:41
fifties in Cheschh who's been given a year and a
4:42
half persent sentence, who simply reacted in disgust on social
4:46
media and even asked just the question how is this
4:48
allowed to happen? And that was taken as a criminal
4:50
or terrorist offense. So that's why the North of England
4:53
is being targeted.
4:54
Speaker 1: Right. Well, we'll talk a little bit more about that
4:56
in a moment, but before we move on, let's just
4:59
remind theves what the Tories were doing.
5:01
Speaker 3: Now.
5:01
Speaker 1: Of course we've mentioned many times now that Keir Starmer
5:04
was standing for change and so far he's changed nothing.
5:06
He's simply acceleraate accept the pace of the change that
5:09
was already taking place. Now, this is the Criminal Justice
5:12
Bill that was put into place by or at least
5:16
put in the process by James Cleverly. It didn't get
5:19
passed obviously because they ran out of time before the election,
5:22
but I just wanted to remind everybody what this says,
5:24
and we'll be coming back to this a little bit later,
5:26
because it's said that they were going to make sentences
5:28
longer for the most dangerous criminals, including by making rapists
5:32
serve every day of their sentence behind bars. On the
5:35
other hand, they seemed to be letting people out in
5:37
order to make space for other people. But here was
5:39
the key point established pars to transfer prisoners in and
5:43
out of England and Wales to serve their sentences abroad.
5:46
And I would not be surprised if we see this
5:49
narrative coming straight back, because criminal justice is something that
5:54
the Labor Party is intending to bring back through legislation
5:58
in the not too distant future. Sure we'll see what
6:00
that does. But in the meantime, Alex, let's talk about
6:05
education and schools and anti extremism.
6:10
Speaker 2: Yes, we've got the new Education Secretary giving a Sunday
6:15
interview to the Telegraph here about the war on Putred
6:21
fake news as she calls it. And this is mostly
6:26
of concern because the education establishment in the form of
6:29
the Ministry, is runly running away with its own ideas
6:33
and saying that it's going to train people down to
6:36
primary school level in what's wrong spotting extremist views. So
6:41
obviously there's all kinds of scope here for partnership with
6:44
the legacy media. So we go on to see what
6:48
the detail is in who's going to train the children,
6:52
young children. We see government sources talking to the Sunday
6:56
Telegraph here that young people are going to be sucked
6:59
into danger online space. Is dangerous here being coded for.
7:02
We can't call it unlawful. So Bridget Phillipson, the Education
7:06
Secretary of this new administration, is now ordering a turbocharged
7:10
review of the primary and secondary school curriculum. She's talking
7:14
about embedding critical thinking skills. If you believe that this
7:18
government and civil service can teach superior critical thinking than
7:23
dissident channels or dissident platform that's quite laughable. And it's
7:27
going to be across multiple subjects, you know. So just
7:29
as you used to get propaganda in mathematics about the
7:34
community cohesion agenda and such things, you get the same
7:38
now with the teaching of critical media literacy. Countries like
7:42
Finland have already gone this way. So for a bit
7:46
of sop to the Sunday Telegraph, which is allegedly a
7:48
conservative paper and not in sympathy with this new administration.
7:52
We see that far left conspiracy theories and religion based
7:55
propaganda will be included. I suspect the primary motive there
7:59
is against the Islamic base. I think you know that
8:04
there's straight down the line British Muslims who are very
8:07
concerned about or disgusted about what's happening in Israel. With
8:10
the complete separation in the Labor Party between the Corbinistas
8:14
and the Starmarites. This is as much as anything an
8:18
internal cleanup. I think of anyone who thinks that they
8:23
that it's all right to tell primary school children what
8:26
is going on in Israel in Gaza. So this looking
8:30
out for bias and hyperbole is a main concern here.
8:34
This could go very dangerous. Perhaps we'll talk in extra
8:36
time about it. But the education system is really performing
8:40
the job, you know, straight straight for the for the government,
8:45
as if it were us at the same thing. And
8:47
just on the same note, we've got The New York Post,
8:49
a very well read, widely read American title, one of
8:53
the top three or four papers in the US, picking
8:57
up on Metropolitan Police Commissioner Mark Rowley so that the
9:00
magistrate in charge of policing for London, and I say
9:04
magistrates advisedly, he's not a police officer at law. Who
9:07
is Who's talking to sky News, one of Britain's legacy
9:11
media channels. And it was this angle of Americans that
9:15
got the New York Post in to prick up its ears.
9:20
We see that a sky News reporter asked Sir Mark Rowley,
9:24
what about people whipping up hatred from abroad? And the
9:28
reporter did not mention the USA, but Rowley said, the
9:32
likes of Elon Musk and for this and other reasons,
9:34
people homed in on America. And Rowley, again outside any
9:38
concept of the law, just on a policing and policy level,
9:41
says you can be guilty of offenses of incitement stirring
9:46
up racial hatred, numerous terrorist offenses regarding the publishing of materials.
9:50
So he's deliberately suggesting here that the United Kingdom could
9:54
ask the United States to extradite people for breaking the
9:56
current version of UK statute law with no reference to
10:00
probable cause or the minimums threshold for extraditing people. So
10:06
again police running away with policy on their own.
10:09
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, Alex now let's just have a look
10:11
at what the Home Office was pushing out this morning
10:14
if we can get that on screen, and here it
10:16
is prison sentences for rioting up to ten years, violent
10:19
disorder up to five years, criminal damage up to ten years.
10:22
More than a thousand people now arrested. But this was
10:26
the other one inciting racial hatred, which relates to what
10:29
Alex has just been talking about. Now. Over the last
10:32
number of weeks there have been headline after headline about
10:37
the Online Safety Act and whether it's fit for purpose.
10:40
So this is CNBC Britain considers tougher internet safety laws
10:43
after riots, with the Conversation what is the Online Safety
10:47
Act and why riots reopened debates about it? The Guardian,
10:51
what is the UK Online Safety Act and what powers
10:53
will provide? Holyrood Magazine Online Safety Act not fit for purpose?
10:59
Study Fine Byline Times why the Online Safety Act won't
11:03
stop type of misinformation that sparked riots, The Financial Times
11:07
False information cases in wake of riots test UK online
11:10
safety law and cid CAN getting involved here as well,
11:14
with The Guardian reporting that the Online Safety Act not
11:16
fit for purpose after far Right riots, says cid CAN.
11:20
This has been in the media over the last two
11:23
or three weeks, and around the same time, then OFCOM
11:26
published an open letter to online service providers and I
11:30
just thought it would be worthwhile having a look at
11:32
this in some detail, they said in their open letter.
11:35
In the context of recent acts of violence in the UK,
11:38
OFFCOM has been engaging with various online services to discuss
11:42
their actions to prevent their platforms being used to stir
11:44
up hitred, provoke violence and commit other offenses under UK law.
11:48
Under offcom's regulations that pre did the Online Safety Act,
11:51
UK based video sharing platforms must protect their users from
11:54
videos likely to incite violence or hittred. We therefore expect
11:58
video sharing platforms to ensure that systems and processes are
12:01
effective and anticipating and responding to the potential spread of
12:04
harmful video materials stemming from recent events. Again harmful, the
12:09
use of the word harm is not defined terribly well here. Additionally,
12:14
as you be aware, the Online Safety Act sets out
12:16
new responsibilities for online services around how they assess and
12:19
mitigate the risks of illegal activity, which can include content
12:23
involving hindred disorder, provoking violence, or certain instances of disinformation.
12:29
When we publish our final codes of practice and guidance.
12:31
Later this year, regulated services will have three months to
12:34
assess the risk of illegal content on their platforms and
12:38
will then be required to take appropriate steps to stop
12:41
it appearing and not quickly to remove it when they
12:43
become aware of it. Some of the most widely used
12:46
online sites and apps will in due course need to
12:49
go even further by consistently applying their terms of service,
12:53
which often include banning things like hit speech, inciting violence,
12:57
and harmful disinformation. We know from YouTube these things are
13:02
not well defined, and when YouTube as they currently have
13:06
with our second go at having a YouTube channel which
13:08
is currently offline at the moment because at least we're
13:11
not allowed to livestream, honor or upload content to it
13:13
because of so called medical misinformation. The online platforms definitions
13:19
of what these things mean and the government's definitions of
13:23
what they mean may be different, or maybe they're the
13:25
same in a certain degree, but certainly the way that
13:28
the platforms are forcing this tends to go well beyond
13:33
what the general public may view as what's reasonable. So
13:37
we put that back on again. There's one final bit here,
13:40
a couple of final bits. We expect continued engagement with
13:43
companies over this period to understand the specific issues they face,
13:46
and we welcome the proactive approaches that have been deployed
13:49
by some services in relation to these acts of violence
13:52
across the UK. In a few months, new safety duties
13:55
under the Online Safety Act will be in place, but
13:57
you can act now. There's no need to way to
13:59
meet make your sites and apps safer for users. So
14:03
what safer for users means again is open to interpretation
14:07
and lots of scope for overreaction, shall we say, if
14:12
we're being generous, or perhaps the intention, as we would
14:16
argue or have been arguing for a long time in fact,
14:19
is to shut down any dissident voice. And in okay,
14:25
the idea of legal but harmful failed at the first
14:28
hurdle when they were pushing this legislation through. But of
14:32
course if you just redefined things as being illegal or
14:36
almost illegal, then we get to the same place. Now.
14:40
I just wanted to finish this censorship section by looking
14:44
at this article from UK Defense Journal, because they're talking
14:47
about the cost of seventy seventh Brigade having nearly doubled.
14:51
This is published a couple of days ago, so let's
14:54
just have a look at this my graphic which shows
14:56
their statistics. So in twenty sixteen, the cost of seventy
15:01
seven Brigade was seven point five million pounds. In twenty
15:05
twenty four, it's fourteen and a half million pounds. You
15:07
see the major jump or the main major jump happened
15:09
in twenty twenty because seventy seven Brigade, of course, was
15:13
deployed domestically in order to monitor and whatever the so
15:19
called COVID disinformation and misinformation that was doing the rounds
15:23
at the time. So, if we come back onto the
15:25
UK Defense Journal article, I just wanted to highlight this paragraph.
15:29
The Defense Cultural Specialist Unit within the brigade was specifically
15:33
tasked with monitoring Internet content related to COVID nineteen vaccines.
15:38
A government spokesperson A spokesman later clarified that these efforts
15:41
were focused on public safety and did not target individuals
15:45
or infringe on free debate. Yeah right, okay, So let's
15:50
just look at this organization here. So it's made up
15:53
of this is Defense Cultural Specialist Unit. It's made up
15:56
of reservists and civilian analysts. It was originally deployed to
16:00
Afghanistan and Iraq. So this was seventy seven brigade operating abroad.
16:05
It was later deployed within the UK as we've just mentioned.
16:09
And of course this is the integrated operating concept in action,
16:12
because if we take the quote from the doctrine, it
16:15
says the old distinction between foreign and domestic defense is
16:18
increasingly irrelevant. And I just thought it was a little
16:21
ironic that the Administrative Defense was pushing this out today.
16:26
The Kremlin doesn't want Russians to see this, limiting WhatsApp
16:30
and YouTube rese restrictions, increased state control of communications and media,
16:35
and they're saying that Russian authorities are deliberately slowing traffic
16:38
on WhatsApp and YouTube. YouTube could be blocked altogether in
16:41
autumn of twenty twenty four. The Kremlin is targeting opponents
16:44
of Russia's illegal evasion of Ukraine. Russian state control of
16:48
information is increasing, and Alex, very very briefly, I just
16:52
thought the hypocrisy of that was just off the charts.
16:56
Speaker 2: State control of information such as hijacking Defense Intelligen, which
17:01
used to be a decent body in my time, and
17:02
making it put out one line little thoughts for the
17:06
day on why Russia is bad. Yeah, it's quite okay.
17:10
Speaker 1: Well, let's move on to misogyny and the Lyrists from
17:14
our illustrious Hope Secretary.
17:17
Speaker 2: Of course, Russia is the terrorist country in this regard,
17:22
we are told, but in Britain, misogyny as defined by
17:27
the government of the day or a few back room
17:29
advisors is likely to be equated with almost terrorism, and
17:32
then in a later correction we hear that it's extremism,
17:35
not terrorism. So let's bring up the Guardian here, which
17:38
is likely to be the newspaper of record during this
17:41
administration because of the alleged alignment between the Labor Party
17:44
and the Guardian. I'm not saying that it's better or
17:46
worse than the previous arrangement with the Conservatives and the
17:48
Times and the Telegraph, but we need to look to
17:50
the Guardian now for most of the leaks, despite what
17:53
I just said about the Sunday Telegraph getting another briefing.
17:56
So the Guardian here is talking about the Home Secretary
18:00
Writtain's Interior Minister, effectively only in charge of England because
18:03
of devolution in this regard, wanting to step stamp out
18:08
the pushing of harmful and hateful beliefs. We're going to
18:11
see this throughout the news in various jurisdictions. This is
18:13
just yet another turn of phrase to mean we don't
18:16
like it, but it's not unlawful, so let we'd better
18:18
ban it because we think we can always coming from
18:20
the executive, never from the Constitution or even the legislature,
18:24
let's alone the court. It's coming from the executive and
18:27
a few advisors. So harmful and hateful beliefs are now
18:30
going to include what they call extreme misogyny, regardless of
18:35
who's in office. The idea of domestic extremism as a
18:38
cousin to terrorism has been around for nearly twenty years now,
18:41
since my time in British Intelligence when I saw it
18:43
coming in and if you look at the byline, not
18:46
the Home Secretaries or Home Office ministers advise its own words.
18:50
But you can see that in the write up above
18:54
the image, the Guardian talks about gaps in the system,
18:58
not shortcomings in the law or what is lawful or constitutional,
19:01
gaps in the system to catch people. What's going on
19:04
here a rapid review, just like that educational turbocharge review
19:09
we covered on how to flesh out a new counter
19:13
extremism strategy. Is the current wording not counter terrorism will
19:17
come to that in a moment. It will assess the
19:19
ideological spectrum, the idea again of lip service that on
19:22
the left and on the right there extremist and in
19:24
the middle is where is the place to be and
19:27
lip service paid to Islamism and far right extremism. But
19:31
here it comes that Ivet Cooper is also going on
19:36
to talk about not liking women much as being extremism
19:40
if it's taken far enough. In the first version of
19:42
the piece published at the weekend, the headline was extreme
19:45
misogyny to be treated as terrorism under UK government plans,
19:49
and the Guardian corrects itself by saying, in fact, such misogyny,
19:54
not defined, would be treated as extremism, not terrorism. Even
19:58
the government knows it can't get away with saying that
20:01
women belong in the home is terrorism at this point
20:04
under a planned review of counter extremism strategy, and they've
20:07
done some updates now. Tim Rusty or Rusty's views is
20:12
not to everyone's taste, But I will bring up a
20:14
bit of his blog. The link will be in the
20:16
show notes as well. He takes a particularly hard line
20:19
on these things. But I think that this is a
20:21
bit of analysis worth concentrating on Rusty says that this
20:24
terrorism analysis with terrorism in inverted commas, because it's pseudo terrorism,
20:29
will scrutinize a particular ideological trend that Cooper believes is
20:32
gaining traction nationwide, misogyny or woman hating, which is now
20:36
a personal pursuit mission with the Home Secretary since one
20:39
constituent of hers in Pontefract in Yorkshire referred to her
20:42
as something I can't possibly read out but files it
20:45
falls far short of unlawfulness, Ergo says Rusty, never mind terrorism.
20:50
If you read between the lines, it becomes clear that
20:52
the Home Secretary is on a personal vendetta related mission
20:55
to outlaw and criminalize or from the executive, not from
20:58
the courts of the Parliament, and all instances of self
21:01
defined misogyny. And so you know, Rowley is quoted again
21:05
at the Metropolitan Police because he's already talked about this
21:08
at London level with a misogyny squad, and Rusty points
21:11
out that there's no equivalent for criminalizing miss andrey, which
21:15
is a far I would say, bigger problem in a
21:18
society like ours now having a go at men for
21:20
being men. So we talk about that Rusty talks about
21:23
the two tier system. I won't read the rest out,
21:25
but you see that Vett Cooper has form talking about
21:29
advocating Brexit being extremist, and you'll recall that we if
21:34
you're a long term viewer, that we played a clip
21:36
of Ivt Cooper when she was in opposition, having a
21:38
go at YouTube for daring to give a platform to
21:41
people like red Ice Radio. She took that very personally.
21:45
I turn YouTube on and it suggests red Ice to me,
21:47
I am so shocked. Why are you allowing this now?
21:51
I've just put this actually on the section of our
21:54
front page called stories We're watching. If you scrolled down
21:57
the homepage of UK column dot Org, you'll find that
22:00
it's directly relevant. John Water's here. I won't go through
22:03
it now, it's too detailed, but he brings to mind.
22:06
He recalls in this article Stephen Baskerville, an academic who
22:10
specialized in North American cases. John Waters, of course is
22:13
in Ireland, and the two of them have taken the
22:15
lead when it was very unpopular back in the two
22:17
thousands and saying if you are too afraid to say,
22:20
there's man hatred in the court system and in the culture.
22:24
Then that's the first step already conceded to what we
22:28
now have, where anything you say against a female politician
22:31
which is less than glowing will be pursued by police
22:36
and people in various ministries as if it were terrorism.
22:39
And if they're challenged a bit, they say, well, no,
22:40
it's not terrorism, it's extremism. Peter Sweden a well known
22:45
case tweeter immanual Sin is his real name. He's been
22:50
right on the lot. I have to say again he's
22:53
regarded as a sort of soft core hard right or
22:55
something like that, one step short of naughty boy. But
22:59
he has good take on this, which is that this
23:01
will be misused to jail anyone that opposes feminism, one
23:05
of the core planks of state ideology at the moment,
23:07
and cultural mainstream ideology says Britain is going full Soviet
23:12
but it's not just misogyny, it's protesting and calling up
23:16
on people to protest. So there was a British account
23:19
run by Wayne O'Rourke on x as we now are
23:22
supposed to call Twitter Twitter, Wayne GB eighty eight, and
23:25
he's just been sentenced to three years in prison for memes,
23:29
as covered by Ian Miles Chong and expatriates British poster
23:35
on x. In Chong's well worded summary, the judge decided
23:40
that his humorous, snarky posts had stirred up racial hatred. Again,
23:44
it's incitement, not defined, not the actual breaking of the law.
23:47
The one post that got him was urging people to protest,
23:50
as with these fifty year old women in Cheshire that
23:53
have been sent down for a year and a half
23:54
of the same thing. Chong says, Apparently in O'Rourke's case,
23:58
telling people to protest is illegal in the UK is
24:01
the key bit. If a judge decides it, not the law,
24:04
not even Home Office sentencing guidelines. It's a judge now
24:07
deciding these things. We're back to the sixteen the years
24:10
leading up to sixteen eighty eight really where judges decide
24:13
what the law is from the bench. O'Rourke treatment is
24:17
very in humane, says Jong. Now we provide sources at
24:20
UK column, so do go and have a look at
24:23
the account in question. The link I've included is the
24:26
one that includes the replies by O'Rourke to other people's
24:29
tweets to give a very comprehensive view to anyone who
24:32
wants to look at what he was tweeting in the
24:34
months and days leading up to his imprisonment, and you
24:37
see if you can find anything there that is remotely
24:40
unlawful or unpeaceful, it's just a typical You get more
24:44
of them in Scotland, the Northern Island of course, sort
24:46
of Glasgow Rangers type account where anything which which is
24:51
woke gets lambasted. England has a lot of these accounts too.
24:54
Perhaps we'll go a bit further north of the border,
24:57
but this is an indication that a whole new tranch
24:59
of social media is going to be outlawed across the
25:02
United Kingdom.
25:03
Speaker 1: Yes, and we've come back to this term legal but
25:07
harmful alex because that is basically what they're trying to
25:10
bring back here through the back door, with it actually
25:13
including it in the legislation. Okay, we'll talk about that
25:16
an extra I have no diet, but Ben, let me
25:19
welcome you to the program. And we're sticking on the
25:22
issue of extremism, I suppose, but Amnesty International, so we're.
25:30
Speaker 4: All extremists now. I think, good afternoon, everybody. My connection
25:36
is not the best today for some reasons. Hopefully this
25:38
comes across to you properly. Last week we were talking
25:42
about the anti fascist protest in Wolfams with specific reference
25:49
to this gentleman that we can see on screen in
25:52
front of us there. That is Ricky Jones. He is
25:54
a now former labor counselor from Dartford who was arrested
25:59
last week for insulting or encouraging murder. Should I say
26:03
that was the child that he's been picked up on.
26:06
But we also noticed during the during the show this
26:10
woman here in the center with an Amnesty International high
26:15
vizvest On, and I didn't know who that was at
26:19
the time. I just pointed out that Amnesty International has
26:22
actually been set up to protect illicitent so the optics
26:25
here are absolutely appalling for an organization like Amnesty. But
26:29
actually after the show I found out that it is
26:31
in fact a senior member of the Amnesty UK team.
26:35
It's this woman, all Rika Schmidt, who is the country
26:39
coordinator for Amnesty UK. This image here is her talking
26:43
another Stand Up to Racism event. We talked a lot
26:46
about Stand Up to Racism. They organized the march last week.
26:49
She's obviously been working with them for quite some time.
26:52
This was taken a Downing Street in June last year,
26:56
so she's clearly not a random activist. She's a senior
26:59
member of the Amnesty UK team and she was speaking
27:02
at that event alongside Ricky Jones, so they obviously know
27:07
each other. They've worked together at least on two occasions
27:11
that we're aware of, and I think this is just
27:15
completely unacceptable for an organization like Amnesty to be stood
27:19
up in public beside this kind of messaging. I contacted
27:23
Sasa Deshmuk i mentioned last week.
27:26
Speaker 2: I used to.
27:26
Speaker 4: Work with Sasha, who is the chief executive amount of
27:29
Amnesty UK. I got in touch with him. I sent
27:33
a letter which I published on my substat which you're
27:35
going to have a look at, which basically covers what
27:37
we talked about on the show last week, essentially saying
27:40
that if this is true, if this is an Amnesty International,
27:44
Amnesty UK employee, it's completely unthinkable that members of your
27:49
organization or members of its senior team would show support
27:52
for these kinds of remarks, Right Yeah, it's absolutely crucial
27:55
for Amnesty to maintain any level of credibility on the
27:58
issue of human rights. They have to come out and
28:01
say something at this point. I mean, it's absolutely incredible
28:04
that they haven't done so already. I send it directly
28:07
to Sasha on linked In as well. You can see
28:10
here that we are first connections. As I say, we
28:12
used to work together, and I'd actually suggest getting in touch,
28:15
you know, very politely and reasonably get in touch via
28:18
the Amnesty UK contact page on their website. They have
28:22
been replying to some people, they haven't replied to me yet,
28:25
which gives me a sense that actually the message has
28:28
been received and they're trying to work out what to
28:30
do with it, because some people in my telegram have
28:33
been sending messages in and they got back to within
28:38
twenty four hours, but the response was lacking. Quite frankly
28:42
basically says we appreciate you writing into Raisar concerns the
28:45
activity and the activist in the video. They just call
28:48
it an activist, not a senior team member. Has made
28:51
it clear to us that they were distracted and they
28:53
hadn't heard the speaker's comments. We strongly oppose violence in
28:56
any kind of paper speech, right, So they're trying to
28:59
downplay this. But actually Schmidt, it turns out, was trying
29:04
to get ahead of the game, and on the ninth,
29:07
which was the Friday before last week's broadcast that I made,
29:11
this article had appeared. I wasn't aware of it at
29:13
the time, and Schmidt has basically come out and said
29:18
that she has reported a break in attempt at her
29:22
home after far right threats. All right, and this is
29:27
a really interesting development here, So Schmitt, apparently someone's tried
29:32
to get into her home, so we're told, And she
29:36
then goes on to say that they the far right,
29:38
are feeling humiliated because they wanted to smash up the
29:42
immigration office in Walthingstone and now they are trying to
29:45
get some satisfaction. We know apparently that there were elements
29:49
among the far right, the supposed far rights, who are
29:53
hardcore Nazis and they are happy to kill, according to
29:57
this article in the Guardian. Now she doesn't provide any
30:00
the evidence of that or to the existence even of
30:02
these people actually, and the only talk of killing that
30:05
I've heard over the past few weeks has come from
30:08
the radical left, including Ricky Jones, who you were talking with,
30:12
miss Schmidt. What this feels like is, I don't know
30:14
if you're familiar with the concept of DARVO, which is
30:16
deny attack, reverse victim and offender right. So this is
30:21
a tool of manipulation by narcissists, by narcissists, and we
30:27
see this absolutely everywhere on the left. At the moment,
30:30
deny it, attack the person who is accusing you, and
30:33
actually reverse victim and offender. So Ricky Jones and the
30:36
people stood there cheering for the encouragement to murder of
30:40
political dissonance, they're the actual victims. Apparently Amnesty appears to
30:46
be going along with this. They've started posting again. There
30:49
was a hiatus for a week on their Twitter page,
30:51
I guess while they waited for the storm to calm down.
30:55
But they've started tweeting again, but about homelessness, you know,
30:59
very warranted to talk about homelessness, but kind of beside
31:04
the issue here, started talking about human rights issues in Iran,
31:08
which hilariously contains a trigger warning because it mentions violence,
31:12
which is ridiculous in the context. And then also of
31:16
course pushing for more mass migration, right, which ultimately is
31:21
at the root of the issues that we're dealing with here,
31:23
you know, And just a little bit more if you
31:26
want to understand a bit more about Amnesty, if you
31:29
go and check out this article on the column from
31:31
Patrick Hennison from twenty sixteen, which basically explains that it's
31:35
a front organization for the US State Department, which we'd
31:38
explain quite a lot. And what else have we seen
31:43
in the aftermath of these events. I think this was
31:45
one of the most striking articles that I saw actually
31:48
from the Guardian, basically taking the gloves off. I would say,
31:52
there's absolutely no quarter being surrendered here from the Guardian.
31:56
We keep hearing about legitimate concerns over immigration. Truth is,
32:00
there are none. According to Maya Goodfellow, who is I
32:03
think twenty seven to twenty eight year old academic who
32:06
apparently knows everything there is to know about immigration into
32:09
the UK. A few quotes from here, i'd suggest going
32:13
to read the article is absolutely mind blowing. It would
32:17
be a mistake to characterize the far right rights as
32:20
a cry of desperation from the poor. Yeah, according to
32:24
my good fellow, we shouldn't understand this as a cry
32:27
of desperation from the poor. We have absolutely no empathy
32:31
for these people. They're just bad, right, That's what we're
32:33
getting from the Guardian. And then this final statement, the
32:37
reasons behind the recent violence are many and complex. It
32:40
cannot be neatly chalked up to the immigration debate alone.
32:43
That's certainly true that the anti immigrant sloganeering needs to stop.
32:48
Whether it's the appeasing of legitimate concerns, a commitment to
32:52
stop the boats, or the more acceptable in polite society
32:56
promises to put controls on immigration, they have all played
33:00
a part in leading us here. If politicians want to
33:02
understand the far right violence, this is one of the
33:05
places that they must start. So apparently now, just wanting
33:08
a control on immigration, something which would potentially be discussed
33:12
in polite society, makes you an extremist. As I said
33:17
at the start, we're all extremists now. But apparently there
33:20
are no legitimate concerns. Well, how about this for a
33:23
legitimate concern, the Rochdale grooming gangs. This headline here just
33:29
really mind blowing. The girl kept in a cage and
33:32
made to act like a dog, a fifteen year old
33:34
raped and killed with heroin injection from an abuser, and
33:37
an aborted fetus kept in a freezer by police, which
33:40
is indicative of what's been happening across many northern towns
33:44
for decades in full sight of local police and politicians,
33:48
and left wing political activists and what Maya and the
33:53
Guardian and everyone seems to be ignoring in all of
33:56
this is that the trigger for the riots that happened
34:00
last week happened when LC dot Stankom, Alice de Silva
34:03
Aguar and BB King were killed in the Southport Tech
34:07
just fifty miles down the road from Rochdale.
34:14
Speaker 1: Indeed, Okay, well that's quite a somber note. You leave
34:19
it on there, Ben, we will undoubtedly have plenty to
34:22
talk about on that and extra as well. Okay, if
34:26
you like what the UK Column does and you would
34:28
like to support us, the place to go is support
34:30
dot UK column dot org. We do need your support
34:33
and so thank you to everybody that is supporting us.
34:36
Memberships begin at five pounds a month. Please act as
34:40
the algorithm because as we've mentioned, we are increasingly censored
34:45
UK column dot org and UK column Extract, so Cold
34:48
UK is where to go to get the information to share.
34:52
You can also help us out by buying something at
34:54
the UK Column Shop, and that would be fantastic as well,
34:58
particularly the agenda twenty one Your Life in Their Hands book,
35:02
which is available still for sale there now. Alex very
35:07
very briefly interviewed tomorrow with well you'll have to explain
35:11
it to us.
35:13
Speaker 2: Kali Strat. Marvin Attudore not exactly a name that trips
35:16
off the tongue, a softly spoken political scientist from Romania,
35:20
whom I interviewed when I was in Moldova late last year.
35:23
And he's talking in the first half about his understanding
35:27
of US hegemony in the world since the Second World War,
35:30
and in the second half he becomes much more of
35:32
a historian and a spiritual analyst. I found it particularly
35:36
fascinating he starts with gladio many of our viewers will
35:38
know about that, and just takes it into the realm
35:40
of mind space and mind wars.
35:43
Speaker 1: Thank you, Alex. A reminder of our event tickets on
35:46
sale nineteenth of October twenty twenty four UK column on
35:50
location in Bristol. Anybody that has bought tickets already, we
35:55
will be sending you the details of the exact details
35:58
of the venue very very shortly in the next day
36:00
or two. This is all about people doing stuff, so
36:03
media on trial. Those that team will will come together
36:08
again hopefully for that, well definitely for that. We'll see
36:10
exactly who's on that group. I hope Sussex will be there.
36:14
Katie Joe will be there, Bob Moran will be there,
36:17
and we will have other names in the not in
36:20
the coming days. So please join us for that if
36:23
you possibly can. If you haven't got a ticket yet,
36:25
they're still available on the UK Column Shop. Katy Joe's
36:29
festival Freedom Music Festival taking place twenty third to twenty
36:33
sixth of August. This is Hope Sussex Freedom Music Festival.
36:37
Do join that if you possibly can. And also Brian
36:41
and I will be speaking at the Heritage Party Conference
36:44
on Saturday, the twentieth of September in reading so details
36:48
on screen, the link to get tickets and so on
36:51
will be in the show notes. Hopefully you will join
36:54
us for that. Lots of other speakers at that as well.
36:59
So where does that take us? Then let's have a
37:01
look at the latest from David Lammy. So here he
37:06
is in the Guardian or The Observer. Sorry, it's never
37:10
too late for peace in the Middle East. We must
37:12
break the cycle of violence, he said alongside his French
37:16
counterpart there and this is a perilous moment in the
37:20
Middle East, he said. Israel's actions in Gaza continued to
37:23
lead to intolerable loss of life hostages taken by Hamas
37:27
terrorists remaining chains three hundred and sixteen days since the
37:30
seventh of October attack. There are French and British citizens
37:34
amongst them fighting between Israel and Lebanon. Lebanese HEZBLA has
37:38
intensified Iranian threats or further escalation mean the risks of
37:41
full skill in regional war arising. What we're witnessing is
37:45
the destructive cycle of violence. So they seem to be
37:48
calling for peace, but it's through a fourth tongue as usual,
37:51
because they can make all these demands publicly without ever
37:55
putting any real pressure on the country concerned. And of
37:59
course where that they could put pressure on, which they're
38:01
not doing, would be through armed sales. So it's perhaps
38:07
a little disappointing to the British government that a Foreign
38:11
Office official has resigned over Israeli armed sales. Now this
38:14
is the BBC's coverage of it, which appeared today. But
38:18
unfortunately for the BBC, this story broke three days ago.
38:22
It took them three days to get clearance from the
38:24
Foreign Office to publish about that. Maybe alex have something
38:28
to say that about that in a second, And I
38:30
just wanted to highlight a few of the comments that
38:32
Mark Smith, the Foreign Office official, mid in his resignation letter.
38:36
So he said, I write to you my last day
38:38
in the fcdo with a message I never wanted to send.
38:41
Sadness is with sadness that I resign after a long
38:44
career in the Diplomatic service. However, I can no longer
38:47
carry out my duties and the knowledge that this department
38:50
may be complicit in war crimes. As a former penholder
38:54
on the arms Exporting Licensing Assessment in Menad, I'm happy
38:58
I'm subject matter expert in the domain on arm sales policy.
39:03
Each day we witness clear and unquestionable examples of war
39:06
crimes perpetrated by the State of Israel. Ministers claim that
39:09
the UK has one of the most robust and transparent
39:12
arms exporting licensing regimes in the world. However, this is
39:16
the opposite of the truth. As a fully cleared officer
39:19
raising serious concerns of illegality in this department, to be
39:22
disregarded in this way is deeply troubling. It is my
39:25
duty to raise this and he's raised it by resigning
39:29
and again an extra. We'll talk about this a little
39:32
bit more, but I would imagine Alex's views. That's as
39:36
he should have done. But the other thing I wanted
39:38
to mention here was from Veldt, and this is a
39:43
NATO sorry the German, a German defense officer and Colonel
39:51
Michael Yes, sorry, if we really have to demonstrate a
39:55
credible deterrent on NATO's eastern border, he said in this
39:59
or he's quoted in this article, is saying, then you
40:01
can't just play it out in two weeks like a maneuver.
40:05
Then life in central Europe will change dramatically. That means,
40:09
for example, transferring eight hundred thousand soldiers including equipment through
40:13
Europe to the East in two months, organizing transport of
40:17
the wounded and prisoners of war. Now, of course, this
40:19
business of transferring soldiers is the so called military mobility
40:25
part of European defention. But he's also talking about transporting
40:28
wounded and prisoners of war. He's talking about a large
40:31
number of refugees from the Baltic States or Poland on
40:33
a scale that dwarfs anything we've ever seen before. And
40:37
he's saying we will then be living in an everyday
40:40
state of threat. Then it will be a question of
40:42
supplying the population air protection, medical care in a medical
40:47
system that also has to look after severely wounded soldiers.
40:51
This is a vision of the future which I think
40:53
is quite unlikely scenario, And well, Alex, I don't know
40:59
if you've got any thought that very quickly.
41:02
Speaker 2: Colonel GISs is performing his duty, as is Mark Smith
41:06
in the previous half of that segment. Germany has understanding
41:09
of this. In nineteen forty five there was such a
41:12
density of refugees, both in housing and thronging the trains
41:16
as they were retreating from the horrible circumstances in the East,
41:20
that it was impossible to move anyone, to the extent
41:22
that the Dutch would have been given permission to grab
41:25
half of northwestern Germany by the other allies had it
41:28
not been for this chocol block situation of refugee management
41:32
and caring for the sick and wounded. So the Germans,
41:35
as you showed in Colonel Giss's quotation, they'll take an
41:38
integrated view of what they call mittle Europa. Colonel GISs
41:41
isn't being sinister by using this phrase, although some German
41:43
planners have been in the past. He's just saying that
41:46
there is a zone which starts in Germany and ends
41:48
in about Slovakia, which is an integrated unit geopolitically when
41:52
crises hit. So he's quite right to raise this and
41:55
just to flag up something of what I'll say an
41:57
extra time on the Foreign Office resignation by my mon
42:00
Smith twenty one years ago now, when the Second Iraq
42:03
War broke out, there was not just a well known
42:06
whistle blowing by my then GCH colleague Katherine Gound to
42:10
The Independent, but there was also the resignation of one
42:12
of the two most senior legal advisers to the Foreign
42:14
Office at the time. From memory, her name was Elizabeth Wilson.
42:17
She rightly said she was performing her duty and flagging
42:20
up the illegality of what was planned by Her Majesty's government.
42:23
There was no such block by the Foreign Office then
42:25
on the BBC reporting it at the time. So something
42:27
has gone on behind the scenes in the last two
42:30
decades to put in a filter there. But staying with
42:33
Germany briefly, then Der Spiegel, one of the quality legacy
42:37
titles in Germany, has got hold of this. Yes it's
42:40
in German. We get complaints when PEO put German headlines up,
42:42
but then English report on this will be included in
42:46
the show notes. Der Spiegel has picked up over the
42:49
weekend that the federal criminal police, the bundes criminal Amt
42:52
or BKA is if a draft bill goes through which
42:56
the ministry is just planning at the moment, the German
42:59
interium in this it will be given opportunities to perform
43:04
secret while you were out raids on people's homes, in
43:09
contrary to any Western practice of recent decades, which is
43:13
to give people notice and to allow them to film
43:15
the police and watch while they're searching. And of course
43:18
they will also be able if this goes ahead, to
43:20
put bugging devices on people's computers and such while they're out.
43:24
And the Spiegel disingenuously reports that, and they're not even
43:27
quoting a ministry source. This is their own editorializing here
43:30
that there's nothing to worry about because it's not specifically
43:33
prohibited by the German pseudo constitution, the basic law or
43:36
grund casettes to have the resident, to have the resident
43:39
absent while the house is being searched. Therefore, it says
43:42
the Bundestag is perfectly perfectly at liberty when nudged by
43:45
the German government to allow a change in the law
43:48
for the police to do this. It's all being done
43:50
at federal level, because the sixteen federal states or lender
43:53
would never allow this, and that's where the competence is
43:55
supposed to lie in Germany's federal system. Another report by
44:00
another title RND in Germany gives more detail. And both
44:03
of these, as I say, are being are summarized in
44:07
an English speaking piece that I'll put in the show notes.
44:11
Speaker 1: And I just very briefly want to mention this Criminal
44:14
Justice Bill once again because if we remember what the
44:17
Tory government was attempting to do with this, and I
44:19
don't imagine that the Libor government is going to do
44:23
anything different when the equivalent comes in in the not
44:26
to distant future. Give the police the parts they need
44:29
to tackle theft by creating new part of enteror premises
44:31
without a warrant to search for and see stolen goods
44:34
alex It doesn't really matter what the limitation is, whether
44:38
it's limited to theft or whatever. But as soon as
44:40
you start allowing the police to enter premises without a warrant,
44:43
this is a slippery slope.
44:46
Speaker 2: Of course, because with the best within the world, you're
44:49
dealing with people who've got every motivation to plant stuff
44:53
on people. You know, there's been many examples of this
44:56
even in the better run juriddictions like Asingden the Whales
44:58
used to be know even that the timpot regimed on
45:02
the European continent understood in the past that you don't
45:04
just let people put police break into people's houses when
45:07
they're not there, because the overwhelming temptation is going to
45:12
be to plant stuff, whether it be drugged or extremist material.
45:15
Speaker 1: Right and then where does that take us to the
45:19
EU Commission.
45:21
Speaker 2: Yes, Chierry Breton, the EU's Commissar for Digital Services, has
45:25
gone out on a limb and been slapped down by
45:28
fonder lyon his boss interestingly here. So it started last weekend,
45:33
the beginning of last week actually, when on behalf of
45:36
the commission on commission headed notepaper he no doubt using
45:41
an underling, but signing off on it himself, as Francis
45:44
EU Commissioner wrote to Elon Musk with regards to x
45:47
formerly Twitter, saying that you'll be aware that our Digital
45:50
Services Act, Tierry Breton's made a big, big to do
45:53
about that. It's his main policy. Obviously, we regard you
45:57
as a VLOP, a very large online platform, so we
45:59
treat effectively as though you were covered by EU law.
46:02
Is the substance of it, he says. On the one hand,
46:05
there's freedom of speech, and on the other hand we
46:07
have to balance it with all the other stuff. And
46:10
there's an implication here that you have to tip off
46:13
the EU secretly if people in the EU tweet things
46:17
that we don't like. And so I expect that you
46:20
will behave as if you were an EU based platform,
46:24
because people in the EU can read the stuff and
46:27
using a campaigning language here rather than legal language. This
46:31
stuff is being amplified in our jurisdiction by note in
46:34
passing that the EU is a single jurisdiction as far
46:37
as Jerry Breton is concerned, not twenty seven jurisdictions et cetera.
46:41
Illegal content. So I urge you to promptly ensure the
46:44
effectiveness of your systems to report measures taken well. The
46:47
first thing Elon Musk did was to make this letter public,
46:51
and he compared mister Breton, who was of course a Frenchman,
46:55
with John Cleese's character of the Norman Castle ramparts guy
47:01
in Monty Python who leans over the battlements and starts flighting,
47:05
you know, medieval taunting of the English. And he topped
47:09
that by quoting a film line which again I won't quote,
47:11
on Lunchtime Family News, which invited mister Breton to take
47:16
a step back and literally copulate with his own face,
47:19
using a different and shorter word for copulate. But it
47:21
didn't end there. The US Congress decided to take up
47:25
the cudgel here and wrote back to Monsieur Breton saying,
47:29
at least the Committee on the Judiciary did that you
47:31
must take no action to interfere in the American democratic process,
47:36
and they analyzed what this letter had constituted as being
47:39
threats of risal towards X Corps. And in the same timeframe,
47:43
by the way, last week, X has pulled out of
47:46
Brazil as a basis of operations because Alexander de Mories,
47:50
the Supreme Court head honcho and general Dictator of Brazil,
47:55
as it now turns out, has been making unlawful threats
47:58
to go after the the Twitter people based in Brazil.
48:02
And it doesn't end there because Disclosed TV reports that
48:07
this is just one of many titles that's reported this
48:10
that's Brussels in the form of the commission corporately collegially
48:14
has said that mister Britton was not speaking on behalf
48:16
of the whole commission. So an interesting development here that
48:20
perhaps they realize they're a bit a bit going a
48:23
bit too far. And if you just bring that on
48:25
screen very briefly, you will see in tiny read letters
48:28
in the box at the bottom AI summary. I don't
48:31
want to have a go at other alternative media where
48:35
we don't have to, but it is a shame that
48:37
disclosed TV and many other people in the scene are
48:40
now openly saying this summary was written by artificial intelligence.
48:43
Do we not have people to write things?
48:46
Speaker 1: Well, it's difficult, Alex, but we can talk about that
48:50
a little bit extra and extra as well. Ben. Let's
48:52
bring you back on and our old friend Jeff Mulgan.
48:57
Speaker 4: Surge Mulgan, Absolutely, Jeff Mulgan one of the most influential
49:05
men in the UK, certainly probably Europe, maybe even further Afield.
49:10
Let's have a quick refresh on who it is that
49:12
we're talking about there. He is. He's currently working as
49:17
the Professor of Collective Intelligence, Public Policy and Social Innovation
49:23
at University College London, which is the UK's global university.
49:28
Before that, he was chief executive of Nestor, the National
49:32
damut for Science Technology in the Arts, the Social Innovation
49:35
Harbor formerly owned by the UK government, which also actually
49:38
owns the Behavioral Insights Team, the Nudge Unit. Before that,
49:41
he was at the Young Foundation more Social Innovation. In
49:44
the early nineties, he founded Demos, which we talked about
49:48
last week as being pretty much the most influential think
49:51
tank on the current labor government in the UK. He
49:54
was also a Global Leader of Tomorrow, which was the
49:56
precursor to the Young Global Leader program at the World
49:59
Economic Forum. Incredibly well connected, incredibly influential. He was actually
50:05
cited several times in the mind Space document which was
50:09
whether the concept of nudge and behavioral economics was introduced.
50:13
Speaker 2: He was a director of.
50:14
Speaker 4: Strategy to Tony Blair when that was being created and
50:18
way back when he was actually a contributor to Marxism today,
50:22
so very much a left wing radical thinker. Now last
50:26
week I talked about Democracy Next and the ambitions that
50:29
they have to create a new global democratic institutions using
50:33
AI enabled by citizens assemblies, and I think that the
50:37
brief came from Mulgan and this is why because last
50:40
year he set up this. It's called the Institutional Architecture Lab,
50:45
which apparently seeks to improve the global practice and theory
50:49
of designing institutions better able to address the great challenges
50:54
of our time. This is all about global governance. They say,
50:58
the world needs better institutions change the cybersecurity to mental
51:02
health and well being. We face challenges with speed scales
51:05
and scopes that outpace current efforts to steer towards societal goals.
51:09
There are lots of options for how to approach this,
51:12
and we're building a community around how to use them.
51:14
They do collaborations, work with people on projects, and I'll
51:17
come on to a couple of examples of people in
51:20
moment field building. So he's actually positioning this as a
51:23
completely new academic discipline, which is remarkably arrogant and actually
51:28
unsurprisingly so from this gentleman. If you listen to him speak,
51:32
he really does think that he is the bee's knees.
51:34
And I actually think that, if I'm going to mix
51:37
my analogies up, that the emperor is wearing no clothes
51:39
when you actually dig into it, I don't think that
51:41
he has any actually workable ideas for how to build
51:46
a civilization, to build a society, and yet he's been
51:49
asked to set up this institution with the support of
51:52
the Rockefeller Foundation, who also support democracy next. So for me,
51:58
this is the vehicle through which global governance is going
52:01
to be innovated and distributed. He's righted the center of it.
52:06
Really fascinating. Let's hear quickly from Mulgan about where he's
52:10
drawing inspiration from in this drive towards creating new institutions.
52:16
Speaker 3: And I think, I mean, China deserves credit for certainly
52:19
for about ten or fifteen years taking the long term
52:22
aspects of climate change and environmental vulnerability incredibly seriously. I've
52:28
taught for many years at the China Executive Leadership Academy,
52:31
which trains mayors, governors, ministers in a way we don't
52:34
do at all in Europe for what it's worth, and
52:37
they were willing to look at their vulnerability to shifts
52:40
in climate and as you say, to think in terms
52:43
of huge infrastructural changes, huge shifts in policy to try
52:47
and avert that. It's become rather less in the last
52:50
few years as soci Jimping's rule has squeezed the space
52:54
perhaps for imagination and debate, but it's still impressive.
53:01
Speaker 4: So he's very much inspired by China. And as we know,
53:05
China is a dictatorship, it's a totalitarian system, and that
53:11
kind of top down control is what gets Mulgan excited.
53:16
It's what gets the Rockefeller A Foundation excited, and it's
53:18
why they've established this new institution. And it's all about,
53:21
i think, rolling out the strategy that the Rockefeller Foundation
53:25
put out back in twenty ten. This one Scenarios for
53:27
the Future of Technology and International Development, within which they
53:30
discuss four different potential future scenarios for global governance, including
53:35
one called Lockstep, which is I believe the one that
53:38
they've actually decided to progress with, which talks about a
53:40
world of tighter top down control from these new global institutions,
53:45
more authoritarian leadership, high kir starmer, with limited innovation and
53:49
growing scissors and pushback. I think it's probably a very
53:52
good way of describing the world that sits around us.
53:55
How is this actually being implemented? You know, it's not
53:57
just a strategy document that sits somewhere in you know,
54:00
in someone's bottom drawer. It actually does hit reality, it
54:04
hits the institutions. Mulgan has been working for the past
54:09
couple of years with the EU on what they call
54:11
a whole of government approach, right, so this is very
54:14
much again like centralized control of all institutions. It's about
54:21
delivering the UN's twenty thirty Agenda for Sustainable Development. It's
54:25
all about the SDGs and you should go and look
54:29
into in more detail with this document, the Whole of
54:33
Government Action and Innovation, which was issued last year by Mulgan,
54:38
which really sets the blueprint for what he's calling whole
54:42
of government innovation. But within that the missions that we
54:47
keep hearing about from labor and from many other areas
54:50
of society, including the big consulting firms. They're all talking
54:53
about missions. It's a national mission. This is where it's
54:56
coming from. And interestingly, there's a little in that document
55:01
as a little diagram that has been produced to talk
55:06
about the interplay between top down and bottom up governance.
55:09
And actually when you dig into it, the bureaucratic, centrally
55:16
controlled institution that you can see at the top there
55:18
in the blue circle in the center, the kind of
55:22
hierarchical system at the top is completely incompatible with the biological, organic,
55:29
chaotic entity that is human civilization. These things will not
55:33
work together, and their attempts to implement it are not
55:37
going to go well for them or us.
55:39
Speaker 1: Frankly, thank you, Ben, Thank you very briefly. I just
55:44
wanted to mention this organization, Biometrics and Forensic Ethics Group.
55:50
I will do this a little bit more detail in
55:52
the not to Discent future, but I wanted to mention
55:54
it today because they've just recruited a new bunch of members,
56:00
and one of them is Malcolm Oswald, who designs and
56:04
runs citizens Juries. This is exactly what Ben has just
56:07
been talking about. And he runs an organization called citizens
56:10
Juri's Community Interest Company. And if we just look at
56:14
what they say about citizens Juries, we'll talk about this.
56:16
An extra in a citizens jury across section of citizens
56:21
eg term in terms of age, gender, ethnicity, education, or
56:24
recruited and paid to tackle a public policy question like
56:28
should we have a sugar tax? Anyway, goes on there
56:32
a little bit, and then it says the jury meets
56:33
for several days and it is provided with reliable, impartial
56:37
information from expert witnesses, and of course that is the
56:39
crux of the problem because if you're only providing your
56:43
expert witnesses, then of course they can only make a
56:47
decision based on what your expert witnesses say. And if
56:50
you're restricting the scope of the discussion, then you cannot
56:54
possibly have a reasonable outcome from any of these citizens
56:59
assemblies or citizens' juries or whatever you want to call them.
57:03
This is sortitionan It is not a good way of
57:05
doing things. It's something we've been talking about for many years,
57:08
and Ben's been focusing on the last year anyway. So
57:12
we'll talk about a little bit more about that in
57:15
Extra Alex. Let's come back to you finally then, and
57:20
an update on a story that Charles covered.
57:24
Speaker 2: Yes, throughout this episode of the News and in many
57:26
other episodes of UK column News, we have seen that
57:29
there is an attempt outside the channels of the law
57:34
and certainly the Constitution, to crack down on dissidence with
57:38
a CE on the end, you know, and we just
57:41
seen Ben's reminder that the Rockefeller Foundation, which is one
57:44
of the leading tax exempt foundations that have always driven
57:46
Anglo American elitist policy since at least nineteen hundred, was
57:50
quite explicit about this they foresaw that the risk with
57:53
the chosen strategy of lockstep was growing citizen bushback. So
57:57
the citizen you've just dealt with, of course, you know,
57:59
we retrained people to be aliatory democracy citizens randomly chosen
58:03
to be briefed on the right line to take. But
58:05
the pushbackside, well, we call that harmful and as we
58:08
saw in many segments in this news, we call it
58:10
likely to cause people to have bad thoughts and feelings.
58:13
So as part of this push, England and Wales brought
58:17
in the ability of councils and we saw that it
58:21
was actually signed off by officials, not elected counselors, to
58:26
slap orders around abortion clinics that you couldn't have any
58:30
kinds of protest there, even what was risibly called the
58:34
protest of praying. And between the council policy officials and
58:38
the local police forces, it was decided at mid ranking
58:41
level that silent prayer was going to be included in this.
58:44
And as usual, you need somebody to be the victim
58:48
in the full knowledge that they're going to be unlawfully
58:50
arrested and prosecuted to challenge this. In the adversarial legal
58:53
system that we still just about have otherwise there is
58:56
not going to be any moment like this, which is
58:58
where the Daily Telegraph report that Isabel Vaughan Spruce, the
59:02
Roman Catholic campaigner in the Birmingham case, has been given
59:05
a thirteen thousand pounds compensation for this silent prayer which
59:10
has been found to be not unlawful at all. Of course,
59:13
being the Telegraph, they talk about Lord Frost, the supposed
59:16
hero of Brexit, because this is a paper to appeal
59:18
to the Conservatives with a small sea and a big sea.
59:21
But now we see that don't worry, vaguely conservative section
59:25
of Britain ministers are going to review the draft guidance,
59:28
never mind the change of party in government, since meanwhile
59:30
that makes no difference or the councils at local level politically,
59:33
it's all the permanent state here. So silent prayer within
59:37
that zone is not actually unlawful, as if we needed
59:40
a test case to establish that, But we do if
59:42
the police and the executive branch of government think that
59:45
they are taking orders directly from Tankdic foundations to deal
59:48
with dissidence without going through courts and parliaments, and so
59:52
we see that criminalizing silent prayer will lead to further cases,
59:57
says Lord Frost, and it would be much better to
59:59
sit to the guidance by the Home Secretary. So even
1:00:01
the August Lord Frost cannot do better than to add
1:00:04
umbrate the Home Secrecies Draft guidance, which is about three
1:00:08
steps removed from constitutional law or first principles. So we
1:00:12
can see that the commitment that this government has the
1:00:14
liberties and fundamental freedoms as lawd Frost says his paper thin,
1:00:17
but his party was no better when they were in government.
1:00:21
Charles Mallett, former policeman of course, podcasted on the case
1:00:24
at the time. He called it the law that has
1:00:27
to ask if you're breaking it, as you see in
1:00:29
the footage of the arrest at the time. And the solution,
1:00:32
as you can see at bottom of that slide, is
1:00:34
the doctrine of the Lesser Magistrates, which you can find
1:00:36
out much more about by searching for the phrase on
1:00:38
UK column dot org I haven't. And finally as well,
1:00:41
from the Realm of Health, which is something from nineteen nineteen,
1:00:45
over a century ago, there's a Cincinnati, Ohio paper carried
1:00:50
this poem which I think we've just about got time
1:00:52
to read. This is of course relevant with the monkey coops.
1:00:55
Stare at the moment, Scare at the moment. It's called
1:00:57
that flu stuff. If you have a tummy ache, it's
1:01:00
the flu. If you're weary when you wake, it's the flu.
1:01:02
Is your memory off the track, Is your liver out
1:01:04
of whack? Are there pimples on your back? It's the flu.
1:01:07
Are there spots before your eyes? It's the flu. Are
1:01:09
you fatter than some guys? It's the flu. Do your
1:01:11
teeth hurt when you bite? Do you ever have a fright?
1:01:14
Do you want to sleep at night? It's the flu.
1:01:16
Are you thirsty when you eat? It's the flu. Are
1:01:18
you shaky on your feet? It's the flu. If you
1:01:20
feel a little ill, send right off for doctor pill.
1:01:23
He will say, despite his skill, it's the flu. He
1:01:25
won't wait to diagnose. It's the flu. Hasn't time to
1:01:28
change his clothes, it's the flu. For two weeks, he's
1:01:31
had no rest, has no time to make a test,
1:01:33
so he'll clasp you with the rest. It's the flu,
1:01:36
as true, one hundred and five years later as it
1:01:38
was then.
1:01:39
Speaker 1: Indeed. Okay, thank you very much, Alex, thank you Ben.
1:01:42
We are going to leave it there for today. Thanks
1:01:44
to everybody that's watched. We will be back on the
1:01:48
live stream in a few minutes for some extra If
1:01:50
you're a UK column member, please join us for that,
1:01:52
and if you're not well consider taking out a membership.
1:01:55
It supports us in what we're doing and you get
1:01:57
access to the extra content as well. Thanks for everyone
1:02:01
for watching. See you at one o'clock tomorrow for Alex's
1:02:04
interview and one pm on Wednesday for the news again.
1:02:09
See you then by