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About About Bow Bangor management Fantasy hockey
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podcast Woo woo wow. Love that money.
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You know where that's from, guys.
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Rings a bell honestly, but I kind of forget.
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Josh knows where his wrong. Oh come on anyway, Talladega
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Nights. Not a sponsor, not that it would
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be a. Movie from like 2000?
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Which part? What?
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Which part? When they're thanking baby Jesus
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around the. Table.
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My God, sweet little baby Jesus. Yeah.
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Also, he was a man. How rude.
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I have to mention Powerade and all our grace.
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Alright, Anyway, I thought I'd start us off hot without.
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Thanks. Welcome in one and all, the
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Banker management, the Fantasy Hockey podcast with Jake, Josh
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and the Vork Meister himself. How y'all doing today?
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OHS pretty magnificent. I'm magnificently as Kevin.
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It seems you. I mean, listen, I I the the woo
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was big, but I'm not as magnificent as Josh today.
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But it's hard to be so. Alright.
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Yeah, you're right, it is hard to.
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You went from like really joyful to eor real quick there.
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Don't roast. You're like that, everybody.
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Loves you're You're a real 1. Today we're doing our week 4
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mailbag episode and some top hot pics.
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You know that doesn't work. Hot topics looks like very low
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brow. The viewers are like Dang this
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guy again. See what he did there?
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He switched the 1st letter of the two words and that made.
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It funny it worked with picnics or 6.
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But. Topics did not hit as much.
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I think so I think so all right. You can find all the socials in
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our link tree in the podcast description join the discord
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great community over there. We love interacting with
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everybody in there. Instagram ex Reddit, the whole
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shebang, all everywhere tree if you like.
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Yeah, OK. Not that.
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I think that. Fire.
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OK. Yeah, alright.
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Let us begin with #1 on the mail bag question this week.
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Alright let's dive into some quick queues and A's calzones on
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Reddit. Asked my bud just offered me his
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Panarin for my Brady. Could Chuck should I stop being
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his friend now or counter offer before I stop being his friend?
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Alright, this is a bad offer at all, to be honest, but
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definitely, definitely counter before stop being his friend
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because you want to see what you can get first, right?
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But yeah, I know I I'm a Panera Anna Brady owner and I just
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can't get rid of my first round pick like that, especially when
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the timetable for his return is like clear like that's it sucks
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that it's gonna be like 2 months.
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We're already what, 2 weeks into the 2?
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Months, so it's only gonna be like 4 to six weeks left.
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Like you don't do you know trade of Kashuk who has was only out
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for Ford 6 more weeks. Not that planarians bad
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obviously plans like second round pick in most leagues, but
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it's also not like Paris off to a hot start right now.
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If you're gonna try and like buy low sell high, you have to sell
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high. Sell someone who's actually
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doing well. Yeah, so stop being his friend,
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but maybe send a calendar of Panera and plus his best player
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and then see if that, yeah, that could work.
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Yeah, that'll be a good way to end that friendship on the spot.
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To talk too valuable. For he started.
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Yeah. You can't.
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You can't, but there's a plus that can make it work, so we'll
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see what he says. Alright, the mad Haber on Reddit
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asked should I accept Tage Thompson for my Panarin Cats
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league with goals, assists, probably points, shots, hits,
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blocks but I'm punting hits this year.
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Also I'm focused on weeks 22 to 23 because he's assuming he's
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going to get the bike because he kills it every year because he's
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a listener of Bangor management obviously where Panarin has two
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more games than Tage. So essentially trade for
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Panarin, keeping in mind the playoff schedule.
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I'm keeping Panarin. I like Tejas started hot.
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Like he hasn't necessarily been the most consistent with points.
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His shots and hits have been amazing though, you gotta give
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him that. But Panarin shots have been
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good. You're selling Panera this floor
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if you're doing this, and I think you just gotta hold,
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especially with the playoff schedule in mind.
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This is not enough to get me to get Panarin off my team, so I'm
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still holding. In our league with face off wins
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and not punting hits, I'm actually taking Tage over
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Panarin. I'll be curious to see what he
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says because. You're so biased.
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Either. Well, that's it.
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I mean, I think you're biased too, but because you have an
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iron and I have tagged. But I had the gutters drafted
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higher. That's usually better.
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I mean he was drafted like 2 rounds earlier and Tate should
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have gone around earlier than that.
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So they really it's one round difference.
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You're the guy who always once the season starts, draft
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position doesn't matter. So it's not like I'm talking
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like a tenth round, but always your Cameron.
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Yeah, I think there's big context here that Panarin sucked
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so far and he just been killing it.
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But no, I don't think this crazy at all.
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Like if we look at the shots and hits and face off wins again,
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like I said in our league, but in his league where you're
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punting hits and you are really looking forward to that week.
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2223 yes, I would take Panera with those four-game weeks over
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tagged with the three-game weeks because I think the points
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penalty should still end up with more points.
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So even though he ends up with more shots and a lot more hits,
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then I still think it's worth it to keep it around.
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Yeah, that's the big one. He's punting hits.
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If I'm being objective here, I I think I'm, I'm like, I still
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want to want Panera and more, but it's very close.
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And the only reason I'm giving him the edge, frankly, is the
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playoff schedule. Yeah.
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So that's really what it comes down to.
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But otherwise, I mean you can't go.
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Wrong. It's the context.
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Here is the playoff schedule and the punting hits makes it that I
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would keep an errand, but in other situations I actually
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prefer to teach. Yeah, that's, I don't think
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we're just gonna be like he had a few games where you had five
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or six hits, which was an anomaly.
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I think most, yeah, getting one or zero.
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So I think on average that's kind of what it's going to be.
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But I think Panarin, we saw his floor last year where the
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Rangers were abysmal the whole year and he was at 1.1 points
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per game. Tage has been getting better
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every year and has yet to be a point per game.
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I I feel like I wanna be surprised herself.
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With the start of the season. I mean I could see period ending
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at 1.1, teen cheating at one. Panarin ends with like 2.8
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shots, tangents, like four shots and a hit, and like 4 faceoff
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wins. If that does happen, you're
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happier with Sage. Yeah, exactly.
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And I think that's a reasonable thing to to say.
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Yeah, just I think, I think tage probably hovers under point per
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game. I can seem to.
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Not have her honestly coming in with a with a sick.
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Would you rather over here? Yeah, he's gunning for if you're
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Kevin's job honestly. Alright, let's move on to the
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next one. Sir Pinsky on Reddit asked in
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A10 team league, is Miro Heiskanen worth keeping and
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hopes he improves or should I try trading him for someone like
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Jackson Lacombe or Jacob Trouba in brackets?
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Someone has too many Ducks players, so that's why he
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mentioned specifically some Ducks defensemen here.
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So let's view it in two separate questions.
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First, is Miro Heiskanen worth holding in this ten team league?
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If not, would you take either of those guys over him?
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In A10 team league if you like mirrors worth holding just cause
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you're probably still starting 4 defensemen minimum.
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That's the impression I'm under and murals shots have actually
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been better than expected and is blocks have been like solid
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written where you're expecting. But he's never been a points
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guy. Like last year he was a .5
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points per game. This season he's pretty much
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right near the same range. It's really just the power play.
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I think he loses the power play, the Harley.
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Eventually one thing starts slowing down and I mean, I'm
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always trying to get me off my team.
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I'm being real. He's just one of those
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defensemen that this drafted too high for what I.
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Don't think any of us would ever half mirror on our team in the
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1st place. I don't think any of us would
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draft. Him, he's the same archetype as
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like the Morgan Riley is the Carlson the gossip except for
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getting those guys like 10 rounds later.
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Yeah. And The thing is with like he's
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gonna is that despite being on such a better team and better
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power play than those other guys, the other guys put up
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better points numbers than him. So it's kind of it's a weird
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situation where you see power play one quarterback on one of
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the best teams in the league. But but yeah, no, we definitely
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are not a fan. But you can't just drop him,
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don't think. And so looking at these, Jackson
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Lacombe, Jacob Trouba, what do you guys think?
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I think you can get either of these guys plus potentially if
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you're adding Turbo in this conversation, it's because of
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Bangor Guy would be valuable for your team.
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Yeah, I think Trouba is showing like obviously we were low on.
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We just found him in. The thing with Trouba, just to
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make sure that it is a bangers league, don't be fooled by the
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random like 3 points he has in the last two games.
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OK, he's he's not gonna be a points guy.
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So if that's not asking this question.
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This is not a point break out for only three points against
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the whole season. Like honestly that's more likely
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than him keeping up this space. But it's more like the banger
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category coverage since Gus has been out specifically and on the
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ice like so much more. And that has helped us hitting
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his blocks. So if you need a guy that's like
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that archetype, I think Shiba is definitely like a.
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Name that you would love. I would love to do a 2 for two
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or you do like he's been in plus a forward for Truba plus a
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forward and you convince the other person.
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I mean, it's fair to convince them that he's like a lot better
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than Truba. So you can get a big upgrade at
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the forward position while also getting rid of his skin in for a
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true, but you're just happy to plug into your lineup for the
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back cats. So I like that a lot as a kind
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of trade. Where do you rank these guys
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rest of season? Top to bottom.
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You're talking, he's gonna come. Truba.
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Yeah, it's just such a different archetype with Houston.
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No, no, right. And it depends on like the
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point. Like that, would you rather look
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or he's gonna rest of the season?
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Look, that's a good one. I'm I'm in my.
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They're both. Defensemen that I don't like.
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They're the same player. They're the same player except
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Lacombe. Like I think he blocks a little
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more but he shoots a little less.
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And like he's gonna PowerPoint one spot is in jeopardy, but
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Lacoma parsley one spot is on a way worse team.
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So it's like it's a very interesting comparison to to
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like to be real, I don't really want either of them on my team,
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but I think I'd take lacoma risking.
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I wouldn't do A1 for one. I would ask for Lacombe plus,
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because I think he's gonna has more value in a trade.
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But I would prefer to come over he's going in and I'd rather I
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think I'd rather have Trump than either of them on my team.
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Value wise are the least trade value.
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But the person and like, you know, happiest to just plug into
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my roster and just get me those hits and blocks and pins and
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stuff, then I'd probably rather true by the most.
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Yeah, I agree. I would go trouble Lacombe,
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Haskin in, I think Haskin's been overperforming, Lacombe
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underperforming. So when it's all said and done,
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there's an edge to look home, but still not super intrigued.
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So that's what I would do. OK limestone kitten on Reddit
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asked thoughts on Moe cider. I'm in a 14 team league so I'd
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never drop him, but curious if you think he'll increase his
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offensive production. I'll start because I have slider
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and it's sucked so far. Yes, he has to increase his
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offence production because it's been nonexistent.
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And that just is not possible to stay that way when he's on the
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power play for Detroit, which is top five in the league.
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So even if he's not the centerpiece of that power play,
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just from being there, he's gonna get power play points here
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and there. There's also the fact that he
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plays like 25 minutes a night so and he's a good player.
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So it's a he's going to pick up the offensive production.
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I don't think you can expect him to necessarily take that big
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step that everyone who drafted him kind of hoped for.
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Like I think he could end up being what, like .5 points per
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game, something like that. Whereas right now he's at like
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.22, which is going to be weight is way too low for a guy of his
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deployments to end up with. So yeah, he'll increase his
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office of production, but it's not gonna be that crazy.
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I think I'm more concerned or what's more interesting is the
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back at which haven't necessarily been there.
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I mean, the hits have been there and the shots have been there,
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but the blocks haven't been there.
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I think it'll come. I don't see him just having
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stopped to stop blocking out of nowhere.
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So all that to say, I'm not panicking a cider that I am very
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disappointed in him so far, but I think he'll turn it around.
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I think you're disappointed in him because of the point
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production and not the backup production.
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And the backup production has definitely been like, let's say
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less than you expected. But it's not like a crazy amount
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like just shooting more than he did last year, hitting basically
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the same. His blocks have been down like
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point 5.6, which in the grand scheme of things, like yeah, it
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makes a difference, maybe by a block or two on a weekly basis,
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but it's not like game. Breaking No, you're right, it's
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more about the points. So I and the point is welcome.
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I think maybe the power play points will won't be as good as
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we expected. And we've seen this in the past,
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like when Siders there's like the power play clicks, but he's
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not the guy that is involved in the points, right?
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So, yeah, and that's why they've had other guys be in that spot
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like previously besides him, right.
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So maybe it's just shows that maybe as long as it's still
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successful, they'll keep him there.
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But I don't think it's not as safe.
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But the points, you'll get more involved in the points.
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Yeah, he's gonna positively regress for sure.
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Don't sell him low, even if you're offered some amazing
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player like Dylan Holloway. No, but all.
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The way to Josh for his silver one for one.
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I did because I'm a good friend now, but honestly, like I, I
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still really like cider and I'm not that I'm not that worried
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about his production risk this season because his banger floor
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is there. He's gonna be great.
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And at the same time, I agree with Kevin that maybe his power
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play one spot isn't super safe, but doesn't really take away
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from the fact that he's gonna get big minutes, great banger
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categories, and that the worst case I see is points being .5.
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But if you could get him up to like .6, maybe even .7, which is
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a stretch but it's possible, then you're super happy with
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them. There's nowhere to go but up.
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All this does. Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
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Because that's how bad he started.
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Exactly. All right mass CH1 ingon I don't
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know how to pronounce this on Reddit asked I have too many
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right wings and need to get rid of Dylan Guenther who would be a
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good non right wing target. To give some context, his other
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hits A2 right wing start league with no util and the two other
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right wings he has are pasta and niches.
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So yeah, if you're wondering how the heck are you trying to get
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rid of Gunther, then that's that's the context.
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So. I have some.
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I have some great names, actually.
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Yeah. I think if you can flip Gunther
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for, I'm gonna give you some left wings and some centres, but
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I think you could potentially get Jason Robertson.
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I think you could potentially get Jake Guentzel.
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I think Brayden Point is very attainable right now as well if
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you're looking for a centre I think.
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All the I like like a Bouchard maybe.
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Yeah, we're in the Bouchard. If you could get cider, that's
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that's interesting. But I think, I think Bouchard,
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Warenski, Quinn, Hughes are all names that I would be like
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trying to see if there are even available in my league for for
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Gunther, because he's been better than all of those.
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Guys, what about toss out a goalie there just so we round
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out all the positions? Vasilevski.
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Yeah, I think about Selesky. You're shooting high.
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Besides Vasilevsky, what's? What's the one that you think is
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more attainable? I mean, who's still good?
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Who are you confident as the third best goal in fantasy right
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now? Just turning, I I could see I
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should certainly been good though, but Rangers have been
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really bad. So actually, yeah, that's a good
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target. I could see maybe Blackwood, you
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know, with the, you know, maybe people.
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Are I think you can get more than Blackwood.
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OK. Who else?
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I think this organ is a great target.
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I think she's. Working.
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Yeah, let's leave it there. But anyways, there's kind of one
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of at least one of every position.
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I like all the ones Kevin and Jake mentioned and yeah.
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I would even do this. You can do like a Matthew Nyes
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plus or like a Time plus. I like that too.
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Yeah. Yeah, we laid out a lot of.
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Things getting don't think getting Stitzel plus that's been
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popping off. So I think, yeah, I think you're
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getting in one for one, honestly.
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I think one for one it could be interesting.
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I would I would do Gunter plus tickets do so.
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Yes. In the like this has this
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shallow. Yeah, don't settle and don't aim
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for an overperforming guy. Ryan O'Reilly as an example.
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Been super good. Not worth it.
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Like keep. The same stratosphere of.
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Even with the position ability or Mulken, don't be fooled.
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Even even nude who's been fired, Like these are guys who, like,
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look like, they're like, yeah. They're trying.
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Don't. Basically don't settle just
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because of the position. Take your time and get the full
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value form. Yeah cuz injuries do happen,
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right? If one of his guys ahead of them
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could get injured like Gunther's, amazing so.
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Yeah. All right.
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Ace on Discord asked what are your thoughts on Michkov and
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Finney. We talked a lot about Michkov on
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last week's Hot Topics. I don't think there's too much
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we need to add there, but on Finney, that's kind of one of
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these hot topics, you know, that everyone's been talking about.
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I feel like it's very much while Patrick Kane is injured and he
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has partly 1, he has immense value and I like him a lot as a
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stream for that. And then once Patrick King comes
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back, he's not necessarily a drop because he was doing solid
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even while Kane was there. But then it kind of depends how
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deep your league is, because I think his production will drop
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off significantly. Yeah, cats are there though.
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I think Kate comes back fully, takes a hit.
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I think it's inevitable. Yeah.
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And then I think Mitch call, honestly, like I've been saying
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it since the start of the season.
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I don't want him on my team, like no matter what his.
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Deal is one of those situations that were like a guy comes to
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training camp, say out of shape or he was injured or whatever
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and has a first like a terrible first two months, but then just
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turns it on for the rest of the season, in which case he's like
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a great buy low. Or is this one of those cases
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where the guys just not gonna have a good year?
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I think it's just one of those cases, like I'm pretty much
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cover in the same boat. Like there, their ceiling is
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going to be better than what it is right now.
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I still don't want them on my team, but it's gonna be a
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headache all season. Yeah, that's very.
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Fair and Mitch covers a lot more one-dimensional than stretch, so
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at least you have the potential like you supposed to shoot in
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the air and PIM. So with the exposure like you're
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always hoping for a more complete players.
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Mitch is just like you're hoping for.
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Thoughts on something like because with scratch, like
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compared to like, like you just said, like let like once you've
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accepted that he sucks, you know?
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Yeah, but like if he could be doing that like double, double
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with one point, whatever, Pimms, it's still a guy in a deep
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angers league that you're happy to round out your roster with,
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right? So that's the difference as
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Michkov, if he doesn't get points, he's just doing nothing
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for you. So that's a big difference
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there. Anyway, we'd all rather funny
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rest of season, right? Over Michkov.
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Yeah, I think to make that decision have to see what
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finishes deployment looks like after King comes back.
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Yeah, I feel it's not a decision you make right now or.
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I mean, if any is gonna be line one power play 2 most likely
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when Kane comes back, that's what he was doing while Kane was
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there. So and he was like I said, he
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was putting up good even strength numbers in the bangs
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are there. So it really depends how low you
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are on each because Michael is going to be power play one line
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one or two. So that's a tough one, I feel
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like. Personally.
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I feel like I still gotta go Michkov even though.
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Yeah, I think the point stealing is too high.
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And at that point when it's so like let's say quote UN quote
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low risk with these guys, I'm just gonna take the higher
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ceiling with that has the highest.
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And honestly I think you can make that flip right now.
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I think any I think you can flip finny from each Gov.
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But I'll probably have more fun with Vinny on my roster because
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I just don't have much Gov That's it 100%.
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Anyways, next question. Shepard Commander on Discord
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asked which of these rookies are worth holding in a redraft
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league. All right, let's rapid fire this
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one. It's a big list of names.
19:26
Schaefer. Yes or no?
19:27
I think it's a yes. Yes.
19:28
Yes. Yeah.
19:29
OK. Finney.
19:30
Yes. Yes.
19:31
Yes. Snuggerud.
19:32
No, no, like he's like a drop in then like you can watch list and
19:37
pick him up. You can stream Wall.
19:38
Robert Thomas is out when he comes back, and probably not
19:40
gonna be worth rostering. Exactly.
19:41
Yeah, Rinzel, I'm it's kind of starting to look like a no Yeah,
19:46
Seneca, I think, I think that's another no, I think like I think
19:50
he'll he'll Yeah, exactly. I mean all these guys are watch
19:53
list so far. Yeah, watch this.
19:55
But no, not now. Yeah, that's actually I don't
19:57
even think I would watch list. I think that's just no.
20:00
I mean he will be good in his career, but not this year,
20:03
correct. I don't even think watchlist
20:05
he's power play 1 now and he's doing nothing with it.
20:07
He has he's almost negative peripherals like it's actually.
20:10
Crazy is what Brian Clark was when he got power play one for
20:14
the Kings last season where it was like he was getting 0 Paris
20:17
but like yeah, the. Odd.
20:18
I don't know. I'd.
20:19
Rather there. I'd rather Clark last year power
20:21
play one than correct this year power play 1 enough.
20:23
But I think Park has room to grow.
20:25
Obviously. Like it's only been officially
20:26
overseeing human I can find, so maybe he's getting back on the
20:29
watch. List, list, Yeah, Demidov,
20:32
obviously. Yeah, obviously.
20:34
You're biggest. Special, especially with that
20:36
Power Play 1 deployment like that, we knew he was gonna get
20:38
and he did get. That's a huge, huge yes.
20:41
And also even even the yeses, the yeses are subject to how
20:47
deep your league is. 100% for sure.
20:49
The only guys that I feel like are like must roster even in a
20:53
shadow league, or probably Demidov and Schaefer and
20:56
Schaefer. Yeah, me too.
20:58
I agree. Next.
20:59
One, OK, Brian on Discord asked in A10 team league with wins,
21:03
loss goes against average saves and shutouts, who would you drop
21:06
between Almark Kemper and Familja?
21:09
So obviously like you can always say what's the how deep is the
21:13
league, what's your situation, whatever.
21:14
But let's go with the assumption that you have to drop one of
21:16
these three. Who are you dropping?
21:19
Something to me. Mark me, I'm going to.
21:21
My first drop. Having use of Amalga.
21:24
I think America just cause. I think Utah is so good.
21:26
I know Utah is really good, but I feel like Ottawa can also be
21:29
really good and I think I'll be happier with All Mark on my
21:32
roster like later in the season. But it's so close honestly, like
21:37
I couldn't. So first of all, we all agree
21:39
that we all agree that Kemper is not the.
21:40
Drop. Yeah, you have to keep just
21:42
because he's on the best team here.
21:44
Yeah, I think that like the milk is like on a team that is
21:47
showing they are good, whereas all marks on a team that could
21:51
be good. So I'd rather take the guy who's
21:52
already kind of proving it this early in the season.
21:54
Obviously things can change, but I mean, Falco is one of my
21:57
signature picks going into the year and he's just really
22:00
delivering. So yeah, so that's what I would
22:02
do with all. The Milk is the best IRL actual
22:05
goalie. He's been amazing his whole
22:06
career and his team. In front of vinegar now.
22:09
Now he has a good team so easily.
22:11
Honestly, yeah, probably all are probably all Mark.
22:13
Yeah. I just think that I just think
22:14
that was going to be better than what they.
22:16
Currently I fully agree. I feel I like obviously in most
22:19
situations I would say don't drop any of them.
22:21
But in the in the context of, let's just say you have to drop
22:23
one. It would go with all.
22:24
Mark and if you look at the link were all Mark.
22:29
Hamill has been nuts, but he's not going to be the whole season
22:32
like he's gonna lose. No, but I do.
22:33
I do like Utah. I go camper from Elko Almark.
22:36
In terms of the the logic here is we'll quickly touch on this,
22:39
but like, I feel like when there's a 10 team lead, you kind
22:42
of assume that on the waivers there's gonna be a lot of good
22:44
qualities. So if that's the case, you don't
22:46
have to feel bad about dropping like these fringe guys like all
22:49
Mark who should have been rostered going into the draft.
22:51
But like after a few weeks gonna suck because on waivers
22:55
replacement value. But if you look at your waivers
22:57
and the best goalies there are like she loves and Ursin and a
23:01
bunch of other backups then or Monty or something, like I'm not
23:06
dropping any of these guys because yes, the replacement
23:08
value is next to nothing. And if you drop them, somebody
23:12
else picking them up. And then if you're one injury
23:14
away from being in a terrible goalie position.
23:16
So yeah, just keep that in mind. Percent.
23:18
All right, Paul Elon Discord asked who are some good examples
23:21
of great hockey player IRL but terrible for fantasy.
23:24
I gotta go with my boy right off the bat.
23:25
Like the winner of this award every year, Devon Taves this
23:28
guy. Just like you said, John Slavin.
23:31
I mean, OK, yeah, that's even better because he's.
23:33
Not There's a lot of good there's.
23:34
A lot for me. The reason I mentioned teams is
23:36
he's always like 7580% rostered and just makes no sense.
23:40
Saving at least is like not rostered because everyone knows
23:42
he's just an amazing defenseman but does nothing so but for some
23:46
reason he gets rostered. I don't know.
23:48
Anyways, the one year tables actually good in fantasy, like
23:52
the leading fantasy. I actually traded him two Josh.
23:54
It's my first year doing fantasy and I didn't realize that he's
23:57
not supposed to be good for fantasy.
23:58
He actually was like that year. He actually was sick that year,
24:01
mostly because he was playing with Kumar and he had a great
24:04
plus minus here, but. That you're playing with the.
24:08
Yeah, OK. Yeah.
24:09
I'm going gave Rakov and there's like OK, go Kevin and I have one
24:13
more name in case you don't say it.
24:15
Well, I feel like the easy answer is here defenseman,
24:17
right, because they're not they're not valuable for anyone
24:20
else keep you 1. So it's just talking about like
24:22
those defensive guys that he's. Getting probably 1 and 41 and
24:28
he's still not not good for fantasy.
24:30
Let's just name one forward that's better in real life than
24:33
for fantasy. OK.
24:37
It's tough because forwards minutes translate to fantasy
24:40
value a lot better than defenseman.
24:42
This is like a very difficult one.
24:45
I have the perfect answer. Fill the note.
24:49
OK, so it's that. So it's, it's, I mean, at the
24:51
end of the day, just defensive players, right?
24:53
Yeah, kind of the five like Jake Evans, you know, like if we're
24:57
going for perhaps close to home, you know?
25:00
But yeah, no, that's a good one. And The funny thing is there's
25:03
no goalies who are good in real life but bad for fantasy, right?
25:07
Just like if you're good, then you're good.
25:09
John Gibson. Actually, no, you know what?
25:11
No, that's not true. Good goalies on bad teams,
25:13
right? Yeah, that's that's the loss
25:15
here. Exactly.
25:16
So that's a very situational depending on from year to year a
25:19
goalie could go from being good goalie on but good for fantasy.
25:22
It's a good goalie but bad for fantasy, just depending on the
25:25
look at Sorokin. How about that?
25:26
You know, like. The best example of that?
25:29
Yeah, Alright, let's move on to the last.
25:31
One Snow hand on Discord asked, do you think the Rangers are
25:34
going to start trading away players to rebuild since they've
25:37
started off the season horribly? Answered this question in the
25:41
discord, but. Yeah, I thought it was
25:43
interesting so I added it anyway.
25:45
So. They're not trading like last
25:46
year was a complete failure for them.
25:48
I think this year and they made moves after last year and at the
25:52
end of last year to be more win now than they were.
25:55
So I think the Rangers are always a team that's like full
25:58
on trying to compete. If the season goes bad, they're
26:01
gonna they're gonna buy. Like maybe they'll maybe they'll
26:04
flip Panarin for some room and make another move.
26:06
Like I can see that potentially happening since he's the.
26:08
Only not gonna rebuild it essentially like they can.
26:11
They can sell pieces, but it's not really like selling.
26:13
It's like Kevin just mentioned. It's selling just so you can
26:15
acquire someone else with that space.
26:17
Kind of like they did that last year, right?
26:18
They got rid of Truba and Crider and then they made room and got
26:21
JT. So it'll they're just they're
26:24
not built to rebuild. The Rangers is as a team.
26:27
They just always have to be at least making a semblance of
26:30
competing. And they've also the moves
26:32
they've made leading into the season, like you said, is to
26:34
compete. So you can't just kind of shift
26:36
and be like, oh, we're off to a bad start of the season and
26:39
that's it. We're selling everyone and
26:41
starting to tank. So so they're not going to
26:43
completely give up. They're also gonna give it more
26:44
time because it's still so early in the season.
26:46
But I wouldn't be surprised, like even said, if Panarin gets
26:48
traded, but it would be for another asset in return.
26:51
It wouldn't be for like draft picks.
26:52
What about laugh though? I feel like laugh is like the
26:55
guy that they should get rid of because they can still get
26:57
decent value back. Just sucks and competing.
27:00
So I know he's on my. The Rangers are so bad at
27:03
developing their players like they always have been.
27:05
Like I feel like the haves would give a hull because he's from
27:08
Quebec. Yeah, right.
27:10
Like and I feel like it's interesting to think that way.
27:13
It's definitely interesting. I don't see them getting rid of
27:15
him, but you know what they got rid of Caco.
27:18
So it's not out of anything could happen.
27:20
But I think the two most likely to get traded are Panarin
27:23
obviously to contract here for him.
27:24
He's a F at the end of the year. So they either need to resign
27:26
him or trade him. And I think Savannah had they
27:28
were trying to trade him all of last year.
27:30
So even though he's arguably and their best player so far this
27:32
year, I could see him going as well.
27:34
I think it's the two most likely.
27:36
OK, let's do some hot topics. Alright, Hot Topics TM, let's
27:40
dive right in. This is like my would you rather
27:42
is Kevin gets to do those and I get to do these hot topics.
27:45
So you've got here's a fun one that everyone's talking about.
27:48
Jake Allen, Jacob Markstrom. What do we do with Alan?
27:52
If we're in Allen Holder? Do we drop him?
27:54
Do we hold him? Do we wait and see?
27:56
It's a similar situation to Wedgewood and Blackwood because
28:00
you know, Marshall missed time and then Alan has been
28:03
exceptional in relief. We're not as we record this,
28:06
Markstrom is is already back and is starting.
28:08
Yeah, tonight, you know, it's fun for me is I got to play
28:11
against Allen last week, the one week that he was a starter, and
28:14
this week I get to play against Markstrom.
28:18
The the main question here is like, do you believe that it's
28:20
now a 5050 split or that the stats are gonna be more even as
28:24
opposed to marching in the bulk of the load of the workload of
28:27
the? Workload.
28:28
The workload, you see, it's not only me who says it.
28:34
Yeah, Yeah, I think there's. Talent because I'm a goalie
28:37
needed team and I'm cutting him for the next hot goalie on the
28:41
waiver wire. Not The Martian, yeah.
28:44
There's no chance Allen's getting more than 50% right off
28:47
the bat. And I don't think it's gonna be
28:49
a 5050 either. The only way that it's even
28:52
close to a 5050 is if whatever was injuring Markstrom is like
28:56
something they're actually worried about and they want to
28:58
manage how much he plays. So that's obviously a
29:00
possibility. Like in this case, kind of
29:02
similar with like Blackwood, Wedgewood, I'm not dropping him
29:04
the second he comes back, right? Obviously, like there's
29:07
situations where you really need a stream or whatever.
29:09
Like, sure, you can drop him. It's nothing in the world, but
29:12
in an ideal world, you hold on for a week and kind of see how
29:14
things shake out similar to what the Wedgwood Blackwood.
29:17
But yeah, I'd be very surprised if Alan gets more than 40% of
29:22
the starts moving forward. You cannot justify putting a
29:26
goalie on the bench who's making that much a year.
29:29
Especially when he hasn't played poorly, right?
29:31
He just. Got exactly, exactly.
29:33
He's gonna get the crack at it. And I'd be very surprised if
29:36
Alan's even A1B. It should be a one and two in
29:38
Markstrom's. Favor and Alan is old, like I
29:40
don't think he can handle like playing this amount of games in
29:44
a row so. To be fair, Marshall's not
29:46
young. Yeah.
29:49
But Alan is all getting. Paid more?
29:51
And less I'm talking out of my butt.
29:53
Yeah. You gotta follow that money.
29:55
It's actually they're the exact same age.
29:58
So I took out of my butt this Really.
30:05
Jake Owen has been like in the league forever.
30:07
Yeah. It does feel that way.
30:09
He's been the backup to so many other starters recently after
30:12
being a starter for the majority of his career.
30:14
So yeah, just like one of those things.
30:17
Yeah, yeah, but anyways, Long story short, I would I would
30:19
hold on to Alan to see what happens, but if you need to drop
30:22
him, you'll probably end up dropping him in the next week or
30:24
two. Alright, next one talking about
30:26
goalie battles, we've got Sam Montalbo slash Yakub Dobish.
30:30
So this is another interesting one.
30:31
This is not the same vibe as the other one because there was no
30:33
injury involved. This is just one goalie out
30:37
playing the other and it's not the one you would expect, right?
30:39
And the fact is the Habs are competing this year.
30:42
I mean, they're tough in the division right now.
30:43
It's really fun to watch as 1/2 fan, but but they can't mess
30:46
around, right? They're not trying to, you know,
30:48
make sure anyone's feelings are OK in the end.
30:50
Also, I don't think either of these goalies are our goalie of
30:53
the future. I think that's Jacob Fowler.
30:55
So I don't think there's any real like, oh, we have to play
30:58
this guy cause we're trying to develop him.
30:59
Whatever. I think it's very much whoever's
31:01
getting us the better stats is gonna get more starts.
31:04
That being said, I don't think they're gonna let either of
31:06
these guys become a full backup either.
31:09
So I kind of view it right now as a 6040 in Dobish's favor, but
31:15
I don't know what you guys think.
31:17
Yeah, so this is not like the Markstrom Allen situation,
31:20
right? The allegiance that they Devils
31:22
have to Markstrom via contract, etcetera.
31:24
It's a lot stronger than what the Habs have for Montalvo.
31:27
That's what I think. Yes, Matthew is a bigger
31:29
contract than Dobesh, but they're going to ride the hot
31:32
hand and Dobesh is really a good goalie.
31:35
Like the Habs are a good team and I think that they're going
31:38
to give him the lion share of it.
31:40
I mean, this week the Canadians played two games and Dobesh is
31:43
going to start the Tuesday night.
31:46
Yeah. So we'll see what happens with
31:48
the Sunday, but yeah. I think the best has showed a
31:50
lot of quality, though, in terms of like being reliable and also
31:54
being able to perform. So I think he's earned a lot of
31:57
trust from the team. But we saw an interview by like
32:00
from Saint Louis, the coach basically say how like, yeah,
32:03
like Monty isn't in the best in the best form right now, but
32:07
he's still, he's still integral to the success of the team.
32:10
Like he's done so much for us in the past and he will do so much
32:12
for us in the future. Basically like doing what a good
32:15
coach would do in like building up his clear and not throwing
32:17
him aside just because he's going through a rough patch
32:19
right now. Yeah.
32:20
So that just tells me that eventually multiple will
32:22
probably be the starter at some point this season.
32:24
Again, whether that's in a week or in a few weeks, we don't
32:28
know. But as of right now, let's go
32:29
back to get more starts. Yeah.
32:33
So all that to be said, let's say you're a Monbo Warner.
32:37
Do you feel comfortable dropping him?
32:39
Depends how deep your league is. Once again, I know that's the
32:41
IT. I feel it with goalies, it's
32:43
always situational, like if you're in the same situation.
32:45
Where like would you rather Monsanto or a guy like Phildar
32:48
right now? Volador.
32:51
OK. So then I would say I'm pretty
32:52
comfortable dropping Montana. What would I drop Montebello to
32:55
pick up Lidar if I'm in a league where there's a lot of goalies?
33:01
No, that's what I'm basically saying, OK?
33:04
Or that there's not a lot of goalies.
33:06
It's just hard to hold on to a guy who's gonna play zero games
33:08
in a week. Yeah, right.
33:09
There's a chance that multiple literally.
33:10
If you're, if you're in the type of league that you know you can,
33:12
if you drop Montebello, somebody else in your league scooping him
33:15
up, I'm not dropping him. I feel that's a good way of
33:17
putting it. Because if that's the case, that
33:20
means the goalie is available on the waivers right now are first
33:23
of all, not reliable for starts and also just like not good
33:26
quality. So if multi is going to get
33:29
picked up if you drop him, I would not drop.
33:31
Him would you rather have on your roster Quantum Bell or
33:34
Allen right now? I think I'd still rather have
33:37
mountable. Yeah, agree.
33:39
And then if there's. Available in your month.
33:42
Yeah. And if there is available in
33:43
your league, are you dropping Montebello for?
33:45
Him. Yes, yes.
33:48
OK, I mean, I fully agree. I just think we need to give the
33:51
viewer some are some actionable things to do with the
33:53
information we're. Doing I think that's a good way
33:55
to put it because if I'm picking up Dobesh, even if multiple
33:58
becomes a starter, I feel like it's good to the point where
34:01
both of these guys are going to start games.
34:03
Yeah. So worst case, Dobesh is like AJ
34:05
Allen, who's on your waivers anyways, so.
34:07
Yeah, yeah. And it's crazy because like, I,
34:12
I mean, I think we all kind of predicted to have done really
34:13
well this year, but I don't think any of us predicted
34:15
multiple losing the starting job this early into the season.
34:18
So a lot of people not getting burned by this.
34:20
Yeah, it's. Just how good the push has been,
34:22
that's. What?
34:23
Yeah, next Hot Topic, Brayden Point.
34:27
What is going on over there? He is severely underperforming.
34:32
I think all of Tampa kind of has been, but they've kind of been
34:35
turning it around. Their record doesn't show it,
34:37
but Kucherov was out for awhile, not a while.
34:40
He was out for like a week, but there's only been like 3 weeks
34:42
of the season. So it feels like a lot of it.
34:44
So personally I'm not worried at all about pointing to get back
34:48
to what he does, and I think he's a great below.
34:50
This happens to multiple guys during the season.
34:52
Like I have Logan Cooley. I've been trying to flip him for
34:55
Britain point unsuccessfully. That's really good offer.
35:00
No, that's what I'm saying. Yeah.
35:01
It was in a package too. And I thought the package was
35:03
really, really, Yeah, good. So I'm surprised that that
35:05
wasn't happening. Why is it great?
35:07
That's a great actionable point for our viewers.
35:08
If you have Logan Cooley try and flip him for points, that's a
35:11
great buy. Low sell high.
35:12
Yep, the Lightning have the least goals for in the Atlantic
35:16
Division. Yeah, that's not going to stay
35:18
the same. No.
35:19
Yeah, and Brayden points a huge part of that team, so I'm not
35:22
worried at all. It's a fantastic buy low.
35:25
So yeah, I mean, I think in normal situations you can even
35:28
give less than fully because he's been so bad.
35:30
But there's certain guys in the league that no matter how bad
35:34
they are, you're just never worried about them.
35:36
And Britain points one of those guys he's tied to.
35:38
He's tied to the Heart Trophy winner for the last two years.
35:43
Two years, yeah. Exactly.
35:44
He's he's going to be fine. Yeah, alright, Cutter Gautier,
35:48
this is one that everyone's been talking about.
35:50
He's been lighting it up not only in points, but his shot
35:53
totals have been unreal. Is he the real deal?
35:56
Is he a sell high? Is he a hold?
35:58
I think he's the real deal and he's a sell high.
36:01
Yeah, I. Agree.
36:02
And this is coming from somebody who going into the season, I was
36:06
not a cutter go to your fan. Like I honestly did not draft
36:08
him anywhere and early in the season I was not a believer.
36:12
I thought that this was just kind of just randomness
36:16
happening, but enough randomness has happened that, you know,
36:19
there's sample sizes there. Sample.
36:21
The sample size is growing and we have to reevaluate our takes.
36:23
And that's what you have to do when you're playing fantasy.
36:26
You can't just be stuck on what you want to be, right?
36:30
Yeah, exactly. So I would say.
36:31
Shooting. I think he's gonna get points.
36:33
I don't think he's gonna get them at this rate, but he's
36:35
definitely a guy you're holding on your ass for the whole
36:37
season. I will say one thing to note is
36:39
that when Chris Kreider comes back, he was playing on line 1
36:42
where Gautier currently is. I could see him getting that
36:45
spot back. Obviously they've been killing
36:47
it, so there's a chance he doesn't, but I think they really
36:49
liked him there, so that's something to note.
36:52
Gothier still should still keep power play 1 though, so that's
36:54
going to bump off a Trano, not to not go to tier.
36:57
So that's just one thing to note that might, you know, bring him
37:00
down a little bit. Also the fact that he's
37:02
performing like crazy is going to bring him down to just a
37:04
normal level. That being said, like having
37:06
said he's still a hold and sell high.
37:08
Yeah, well, I don't know if like, I mean, they may just try
37:11
to put him on the right wing or something cause I, I feel like.
37:15
I'm not worried about actually. Yeah, I think whether it's line
37:17
one or line 2, I think is gonna have the same amount.
37:20
Of success. I just think it's worth noting
37:21
that there's some big guy names out for the Ducks and it will
37:25
reshuffle the lines somehow. That doesn't necessarily mean
37:28
it's going to negatively affect him, but it is going to affect
37:30
him in his deployment. Alright last hot topic that I
37:35
feel we just then getting nonstop everywhere and it's
37:39
probably my fault is doing Holloway.
37:43
What is going on with Dylan Holloway?
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Josh told me all summer that he was gonna be great, and he
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started off super slow. And what do we do?
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I'm going. To speaking it up.
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He's picking it up. I would say don't panic.
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The entire Blues are feeling the Blues lately.
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Let's just say I kind of love that as a kind of indicator.
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When your guy is the only guy on the team, like when it's fetch
38:08
right, who's just garbage and the rest of the team is killing
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it, that's something to worry about.
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But when it's a guy like Holloway who's not necessarily
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putting up points, but the whole team isn't, then I'm way less
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worried because then it's not just an individual player
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problem, it's a team problem. And yeah, exactly.
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And that needs to get solved. And it will get solved because
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no team stays that bad for the whole season.
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Even the worst team in the league will score goals, right?
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So and they should be the worst team in the league.
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All that to say, he was putting up the Bangor stats.
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Even one of the points weren't there which is great to see.
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The whole team was underperforming which is great
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to see. In terms of not being worried
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about him specifically and he's starting to pick it up.
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I think he's been a buy low since the season started.
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I've been trying to get him from Jakey but he won't give him to
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me and. Cider, yeah.
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Exactly, I just have to buy high on a guy who hasn't performed
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all season yet. But but yeah, anyways.
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So I'm not worried about the Holloway at all.
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And Holloway. Holloway as I like.
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Yeah, well, that's why I'm not selling them, because I believe
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in his. I don't even wanna call her
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resurgence because like, the floor has still been there.
39:08
I'm not mad having him. He just hasn't been like
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producing in the points category.
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But his bangers have been sick. They're gonna continue being
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great and I'm just expecting positive regression for points,
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so I'm really happy. And look at the Blues lightning.
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Similar idea. Right, they're both blue.
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And they're due for positive regression, so they have a lot
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in common so. Yeah, I think we saw Holloway
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too, like there was some statistics showing that he was
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like one of the more unluckier players in terms of converting
39:38
his higher chances. So I think we're seeing already
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in the last few games he's he's got on the stat sheet, his
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category coverage has been pretty, pretty decent for what
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you expected. I think there's better days
39:51
ahead for Dan Holloway. I think we're right on the cusp
39:53
of it kind of like turning in the right direction.
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Yeah, by now, as you're listening to this, if you
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haven't already, the Blues have only won three out of the first
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nine games. Like it's it's it hasn't been
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going well. Jackie had them for second in
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the. Division.
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I think. He's never gonna live this one
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down. He's doing.
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Up a little soon happens, guys. We'll see.
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It's still early. You're right, it's still early.
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This is still very early. We roasted him like all year
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last year about Boston and then out of nowhere they just dropped
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to the bottom of the standing. So anything can happen.
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Anything could happen, that's true, but the clock is always
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right twice a day. Yeah, exactly.
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Something like that. It's me.
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I'm the clock. All right, thank you to
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