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I Found the Earring Website! Will Smith Accusations and RHONY Star Sai DeSilva · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: Christmas shopping has already started in our house. My daughter
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  Speaker 3: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: I have a great show for you today, some hot topics,
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  Speaker 2: a great interview with Cy, one of the newest Real
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  Speaker 2: Housewives of New York, and she dispels some really juicy
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  Speaker 2: rumors about herself, which I find quite interesting. But right
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  Speaker 2: now I need to share with you the latest information
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  Speaker 2: I've got about my own life that I know that
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  Speaker 2: you want to hear. So there is new information that
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  Speaker 2: has come to me about the earrings. To catch you
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  Speaker 2: up to date, just remind you, last Thursday on my
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  Speaker 2: regular Juicy Scoop show, I went through the saga of
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  Speaker 2: these earrings that were lent to me by my very
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  Speaker 2: good friend at the time, Krista Lamas, on January 23rd
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  Speaker 2: of 2023. I never returned them. She never asked for them.
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  Speaker 2: And then I went to St. Bart's and I wore
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  Speaker 2: them and I did a real dancing in the sand
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  Speaker 2: and one fell, which was witnessed by a million people,
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  Speaker 2: and including her, in which she wrote a little happy
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  Speaker 2: emoji face. My earring, ha ha. In September 7th, September 7th,
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  Speaker 2: it was made for my attention for the first time
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  Speaker 2: on Jeff Lewis's Sirius radio show that they were in
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  Speaker 2: fact worth $ 10, 000 and I'm therefore responsible for them. I
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  Speaker 2: stole them, I'm a thief, I'm a felon, I should
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  Speaker 2: go to prison. I immediately wrote her and said, how
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  Speaker 2: much are they worth? And I went to my jewelry
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  Speaker 2: box and dug through it and found the remaining earring.
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  Speaker 2: After this information got out, I shared the earring. I
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  Speaker 2: shared the video. I shared me on the red carpet
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  Speaker 2: from the first night I borrowed them to the day
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  Speaker 2: that I lost them. A Juicy Scooper contacted me Thursday
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  Speaker 2: morning around 9 a.m. I read comments and DMs. And
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  Speaker 2: she said, hey, Heather, I'm watching your episode about the
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  Speaker 2: earring on YouTube. And I'm pretty sure I ordered those
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  Speaker 2: exact same earrings, ha-ha, from this website. And I clicked
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  Speaker 2: on the website. I clicked on the link. Sorry, I
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  Speaker 2: clicked on the link to the actual earring for purchase.
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  Speaker 2: And I was absolutely shocked. They looked to be the
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  Speaker 2: same earring. Of course, I wasn't going to take that
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  Speaker 2: as 100%. I ordered them, which is why it took
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  Speaker 2: a few days for them to come to me. They
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  Speaker 2: just came yesterday. And I'm gonna show you the earrings now.
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  Speaker 2: This is the earring from the day that I was
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  Speaker 2: told they were worth $ 10, 000. And Peter wrote the check
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  Speaker 2: to Crystal Lamas for 3,000 in which she cashed it
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  Speaker 2: upon receiving it. Here is the earring. Here are, we
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  Speaker 2: ordered three pairs from the website. Here's one, here it
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  Speaker 2: is in the plastic, and here it is outside, okay?
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  Speaker 2: So you can see all three pairs are exactly the same.
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  Speaker 2: They're beautiful earrings. They are cubic zirconia, I believe. And
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  Speaker 2: here they are. Now, you're probably wondering, Heather, how much
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  Speaker 2: do those earrings cost? They look beautiful. I agree. They
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  Speaker 2: look great. Hence why I believed when I was told
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  Speaker 2: they were of great value afterwards. I was like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: it's weird that you never told me that before. It's
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  Speaker 2: weird that you never asked me. It's weird that you
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  Speaker 2: lent me. expensive earrings, but being dragged for months, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the minute I heard it, I was like, here's the money,
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  Speaker 2: please stop, you know, trashing my reputation, which didn't stop.
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  Speaker 2: It went on for two more months about these earrings
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  Speaker 2: on Jeff Lewis's Sirius radio show. So this, you're probably
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  Speaker 2: wondering what is the cost? The cost is guess, thinking
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  Speaker 2: in your head, making a little fun, $ 42 a pair.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great deal. $ 42 a pair. And the website
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  Speaker 2: is Revolve. Probably heard of Revolve. It's a great website.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of influencers love it and use it and
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  Speaker 2: promote it. And I remember she was a fan of
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  Speaker 2: it too. I remember going to a holiday party with
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  Speaker 2: her where we both were a long white dress. I
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  Speaker 2: got mine at Neiman's and she said, I ordered it
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  Speaker 2: from Revolve. I love their stuff. Now I have Juicy
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  Speaker 2: Scoopers all over, and this wasn't the only Juicy Scooper
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  Speaker 2: that contacted me after Thursday's episode, the public episode. And
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  Speaker 2: I got confirmation from the sources as close as you
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  Speaker 2: could possibly get to this situation that have confirmed that
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  Speaker 2: she purchased this exact pair of earrings from Revolve in
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  Speaker 2: the fall of 2022. So she had them in her
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  Speaker 2: possession in the fall of 2022. And then when I said, oh, no,
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  Speaker 2: I forgot earrings, she happily handed them to me before
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  Speaker 2: the Apple shrinking premiere. Okay. So she knew where she
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  Speaker 2: got them from. They were never from a La Jolla
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  Speaker 2: real jewelry store that conveniently went out of business when
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  Speaker 2: she bought $ 25, 000 of real jewelry and therefore can't produce
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  Speaker 2: a receipt or a credit card statement conveniently. No, she knew.
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  Speaker 2: She knew in the fall when she bought them. She
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  Speaker 2: knew in January 23rd when she bought them. She knew
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  Speaker 2: when she laughed on my reels saying, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 2: my earring. She always knew they were from Revolve. Now
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  Speaker 2: maybe they were, maybe she paid 60. Right now they're
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  Speaker 2: on sale for 42. I suggest you get them. They're lovely.
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  Speaker 2: Now I want to show you when they came in.
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  Speaker 2: Here is the earring. And the first thing I did
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  Speaker 2: was look at the clasp. You can see the clasp.
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  Speaker 2: You can see the comparison. And when I put it
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  Speaker 2: on top of it, it is exactly the same circumference.
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  Speaker 2: Because there's so much evidence of me wearing the earrings
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  Speaker 2: from those dates, I am going to show you. Here
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  Speaker 2: is the earring that Krista lent me, the remaining one.
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  Speaker 2: And you can see where it hits my jaw. And
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  Speaker 2: here is the one that I just purchased the three
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  Speaker 2: pairs from for $ 42 from Revolve. Now, my question through
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  Speaker 2: all of this is why? Why? This woman I met
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  Speaker 2: through Jeff Lewis and we weren't even very close when
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  Speaker 2: she called me crying. I was in Park City, Utah
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  Speaker 2: with my family. And she said, I can't believe what's
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  Speaker 2: going on with Jeff. I said, what's going on? She
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  Speaker 2: said he was saying all these awful things about me
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  Speaker 2: on the radio. And I sent him a letter saying
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  Speaker 2: to please stop talking about me on the radio. It
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  Speaker 2: was a cease and desist. He read that letter on
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  Speaker 2: the radio. And then he said, I'm done with Krista Lamas.
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  Speaker 2: You can be friends with her, Heather, but I'm done.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, well, I am going to remain friends
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  Speaker 2: with her because you're her whole social life and everybody
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  Speaker 2: around you because he insists that anybody... Now he does
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  Speaker 2: says you can't be friends with anybody I'm not friends with.
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  Speaker 2: It's disloyal. So those people, whether he said it or not,
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  Speaker 2: chose to not associate with Krista at that time. I did.
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  Speaker 2: I enjoyed her personality. I did many things with she
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  Speaker 2: and her daughter. And I thought she was a true friend.
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  Speaker 2: So I still don't know why, why and how long ago,
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  Speaker 2: how long she was telling people that these earrings were
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  Speaker 2: worth $ 10, 000. I know it was said for the first
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  Speaker 2: time the Monday after the Tuesday after Labor Day that
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  Speaker 2: they're worth $ 10, 000. But I don't know how many conversations
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  Speaker 2: were said about my behind my back or what other
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  Speaker 2: awful lies have been said about me that were not
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  Speaker 2: aired on serious radio. that permanently damaged my reputation with listeners,
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  Speaker 2: but more importantly, with true friends that I don't know
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  Speaker 2: where I stand with those people. So I don't really know.
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  Speaker 2: I still don't know why. I don't know why she
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  Speaker 2: is a liar. I don't know why she chose to
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  Speaker 2: go with this lie and cash the check. I did
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  Speaker 2: think it was weird when it was $ 10, 000 from Jeff
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  Speaker 2: Lewis and then it was three from her. Not until
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  Speaker 2: I went on October 23rd did I realize that they
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  Speaker 2: were not real. And not until these earrings came in
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  Speaker 2: the mail did I realize how deep the deception went,
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  Speaker 2: how much she was absolutely aware that she was deceiving
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  Speaker 2: myself as well as those people that she told that
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  Speaker 2: these earrings were worth thousands of dollars. She was married
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  Speaker 2: to a man. That has passed. His name is Michael Lamas.
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  Speaker 2: He was facing a 50-count indictment. So I don't know
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  Speaker 2: why she's going down this same path. She doesn't have to.
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  Speaker 2: I think that she should get away from this type
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  Speaker 2: of deception and cons that I've been a victim of.
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  Speaker 2: I would have never thought I would be a victim
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  Speaker 2: of this. I would have never thought... that someone that
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  Speaker 2: I brought into my home, on my boat, went on
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  Speaker 2: vacation with, would ever set out to hurt me this
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  Speaker 2: much with these lies. And I don't know how deep
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  Speaker 2: the damage has even gone with relationships. So I want
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  Speaker 2: to make an open apology to the friends that I
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  Speaker 2: have lost in the last couple of months. that are
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  Speaker 2: in association with Krista Lamas, that have heard this lie,
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  Speaker 2: along with who knows how many others, who are no
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  Speaker 2: longer in my life. I want to apologize. I'm very
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  Speaker 2: sad about the loss of friendships and business relationships I
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  Speaker 2: have because of this. But I want you guys to
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  Speaker 2: know what I know, which is the truth. And I
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  Speaker 2: think anyone in my position, given this information and what
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  Speaker 2: I've been through, would certainly defend themselves, as I'm doing now,
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  Speaker 2: once the evidence has been proven, which it has. So
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  Speaker 2: moving on, it's going to be 2024 soon. I am
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  Speaker 2: happy to close this chapter and move on. It was
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  Speaker 2: a horrible time in my life and career, personally and professionally.
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  Speaker 2: And But I do want you guys, since you've been
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  Speaker 2: with me along this journey, to know the truth and
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  Speaker 2: how deep the deception went and how much damage it
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  Speaker 2: had caused. And go to Revolve. Get these earrings. They're $ 42.
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  Speaker 2: They do look great. They're a great pair of earrings.
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  Speaker 2: And it's a great website. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Now for some real juicy scoop. Well, everybody's
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  Speaker 2: going crazy over this story. There is a YouTuber reporter.
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  Speaker 2: She has a huge platform named Tasha Kay. She just
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  Speaker 2: released an interview that she did with this man who
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  Speaker 2: is the former personal assistant for many years to Will Smith.
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  Speaker 2: And he is telling everything on this episode. But the
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  Speaker 2: clip that I'm seeing that's going viral that I watched
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  Speaker 2: is really quite shocking. In it, he is telling Tasha Kay.
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  Speaker 2: He's saying, when I was working for Will Smith, we
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  Speaker 2: were on a movie set and, you know, you're always,
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  Speaker 2: they're like, where is the talent? And it was kind
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  Speaker 2: of his job to kind of wrangle the talent. And
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  Speaker 2: he also worked for Dwayne Martin, who was also, I believe,
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  Speaker 2: on this movie set. And he couldn't find Will and
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  Speaker 2: he was looking for Dwayne or something. But according to him, allegedly,
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  Speaker 2: he said he walked into the trailer on set and
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  Speaker 2: to witness Dwayne Martin had this very graphic Will Smith
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  Speaker 2: over a couch and was having anal sex with him. So, wow.
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  Speaker 2: And the way he says it is shocking. And I mean,
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  Speaker 2: then he goes on to another part of the interview
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  Speaker 2: that's saying, talking about his relationship with Jada, where he's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: if you're used to having a baby arm, for a
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  Speaker 2: penis that you get with a guy, then when you've
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  Speaker 2: got something much smaller, a pinky or something, meaning Will,
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  Speaker 2: then maybe that was the issue. I mean, he is
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  Speaker 2: just going off and saying really shocking and unflattering things
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  Speaker 2: about Will Smith. So this is out there. He's saying it.
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  Speaker 2: And they have responded. Jada Pinkett was stopped coming out
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  Speaker 2: of iHeart and she said, we are suing. And Will,
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  Speaker 2: I think his people are denying it. Dwayne Martin is
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  Speaker 2: not responding. And I mean, there is no video of it,
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  Speaker 2: of this happening, this relationship going this way. However, there
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  Speaker 2: have been rumors for many years about the relationship between
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  Speaker 2: these two actors for many years. He was married to
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  Speaker 2: Tisha Campbell for a long time. I believe they got
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  Speaker 2: divorced in 2020. They have a couple of kids and
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  Speaker 2: now people are going to her Instagram page and writing
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  Speaker 2: comments under her latest post. I mean, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what's going to happen, but people can say lies as
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  Speaker 2: you know, and then people talk about it. So that's
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  Speaker 2: pretty interesting. Meanwhile, in the Real Housewives world, Kyle did
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  Speaker 2: an interview with her producer where she said, and she
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  Speaker 2: said this on Watch What Happens Live, too. This is
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  Speaker 2: Kyle Richards of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. She's like,
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  Speaker 2: most hurtful thing is that people think that Mauricio and
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  Speaker 2: my separation is done for storyline and for ratings and
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  Speaker 2: to get people interested in the show. And I would
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  Speaker 2: never put my children through a fake separation. I believe that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's a fake separation. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: a real separation, like I said on the show. But
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  Speaker 2: because their job is to expose their life, they really
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  Speaker 2: can't live a marriage where they can step out for
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  Speaker 2: a while, whether it's sabbatical or whether it's a little open.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have that luxury because their life is so
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  Speaker 2: public on reality shows.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: If they do want to pursue other romances at this
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  Speaker 2: time while they're separated or possibly going through a divorce,
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  Speaker 2: they can't hide it. So I think they're doing the
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  Speaker 2: right thing by sharing it, but I do think it's real.
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  Speaker 2: He was seen holding hands with his dancing partner once.
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  Speaker 2: But now he was seen in Austin at their Soho
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  Speaker 2: house with a mystery blonde and they seemed flirty. Doesn't
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  Speaker 2: mean that she wasn't a friend. I'm sure he's got
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  Speaker 2: an agency in Austin. Doesn't mean it's done with Dancing
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  Speaker 2: with Stars. Doesn't mean the Dancing with Stars girl ever happened.
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  Speaker 2: But I did think that was interesting. And the comments
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  Speaker 2: under Kyle's interview were interesting where someone's like, yeah, you
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  Speaker 2: won't do this for storyline, but you've had this issue
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  Speaker 2: with your sister. You've had Brandi Glanville come over and
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  Speaker 2: say these things about her. her sexual relationship with Denise
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  Speaker 2: Richards at your house. We feel that was a setup.
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  Speaker 2: We felt you set up Lisa Vanderpump. Are they bringing
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  Speaker 2: up all these things? You threw Camille under the bus,
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  Speaker 2: all the things she's done in like the 13 years
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  Speaker 2: of being on the show, which those are all great points,
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  Speaker 2: but that was also what was going on in her life.
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  Speaker 2: So I believe this separation and this openness for them
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  Speaker 2: to date other people is real. And like I said previously,
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  Speaker 2: I still think they might get back together. But I
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  Speaker 2: thought that was juicy. And of course, that show is
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  Speaker 2: airing now. It's doing amazing. All right, you guys. Now
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  Speaker 2: for my really juicy interview. I love meeting Sai. She's
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  Speaker 2: one of the new Real Housewives of New York. We
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  Speaker 2: get into everything. And even if you don't watch these shows,
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  Speaker 2: I find this interview really interesting about her life, rumors
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  Speaker 2: on the internet, suddenly becoming a public person. And I
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  Speaker 2: find that part always the most fascinating part. when I
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  Speaker 2: I've got one of the new Real Housewives of New York,
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  Speaker 2: Cy DeSilva. Welcome to Juicy Scoop, girl.
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  Speaker 5: Hi, I'm so excited to get juicy with you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so excited to get to know the real you
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  Speaker 2: and get some fresh perspective and maybe some perspectives that
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  Speaker 2: were not correct.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Corrected. I would love that. First of all, you were
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  Speaker 2: just saying, you know, that you were, you stay at
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  Speaker 2: your friend's house in North Hollywood and she's an old
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  Speaker 2: good friend. Yeah. And I kind of love that because
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  Speaker 2: I wonder, how is it like a real best friend
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  Speaker 2: that you talk to on the phone all the time?
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  Speaker 2: What was their reaction when you were like, I'm... I'm
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  Speaker 2: being approached by the Real Housewives. And how did the
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  Speaker 2: approaching come? Tell us all about that. Yeah. So they
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: slid in my DMs. Like a casting director? A casting
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: director slid in my DMs. And so you're just going
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: through and you saw what?
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: And I saw like, hey, we're casting for Real Housewives
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: of New York. To be honest, it was I think
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: I was the first one to be approached for this
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: reboot because they approached me for the old cast.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: A couple of years ago?
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Like when they were looking and they added Ebony and Leah?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: I think it was right. Yeah.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: It was when they added Ebony. And did you get
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: to the point of they at least like interviewed you
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: or no?
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: So I think they just asked me if I was
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: interested and I was like, you know, they asked me
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: if I would hang out with the cast. And I said, listen,
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: you know, we're not the same. You know, we don't
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: hang out in the same places. It probably wouldn't work out.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, you said that. Yeah.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Because you were thinking of like Luann, Dorinda, Sonya. The
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: cassette has been there for so long. I just didn't
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: think that I would mesh well with it. with them.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Which it totally makes sense because, you know, there's like
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: a third. How old are you? I'm 43 this month. Oh,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: you look very young. Thank you. Oh my God.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: But I still think even like a 20 year, 10,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: 20 year age difference is not, you could still be friends,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: but you wouldn't organically be friends if you were watching
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: a show because your kids wouldn't be the same age.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't be hanging out. And I think when they
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: started Real Housewives of New York, the original, these women
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: really did know each other. They really were all the
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: same age. They really, you know, had a little bit
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: of history. And I think that's, Good that they just
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: did a whole reboot, really. Yeah, it was completely different.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: And then I didn't hear from them. Fast forward, I.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: Think Variety did an article, and it said that they're
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: going to completely reboot. And then I heard from them again,
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: and they were like, okay, listen. I said, now I'm intrigued.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: I was like, you know, a complete reboot of people
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: in New York City. It's going to be diverse. It's
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: going to represent what New York City really is. Started
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: talking about some of the people that, you know, if
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: I knew them, if I didn't.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: And who did you know? To be honest, I knew
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: no one. Okay. Not one person. Okay. So they probably
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: found you because you are a social influencer and we
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: were saying you did a lot with your kids who
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: are 12 and 6 on your page, a lot of fashion.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: And so now were you a fan of any of
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: the Real Housewives? Were you a Bravo person that watched–
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I'm not a crazy, crazy Bravo person, but I definitely
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: watch it. I watch Atlanta. I watch Beverly Hills. I'm
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: recently into Salt Lake City. I watched last season, but
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: this season is crazy. Like crazy. Big fan of Salt
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Lake City and Potomac. Yeah. Well, then pretty much all–
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: so you don't– the only ones you really didn't watch
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: was OC, Dallas, which is gone.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I never watched Dallas. I watched OC only a few seasons. Okay.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: But you're pretty much up on it.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I am.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: I am.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: And did you ever think watching it, I could see
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: myself doing that? Absolutely not. Oh, really?
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: I never, ever once watched these shows and thought, yeah,
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: I could totally do this.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: So when they came to you– Did you tell your
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: husband right away or did you not tell him until
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: it seemed like you were about to get it?
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: At first I was like, am I being punked? Is
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: this a scam or something? I didn't tell him until
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: I interviewed for it.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: And then after, after I interviewed and they came back
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: around and were like, okay, we want to interview your husband.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: And I was so on the fence about that because
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: my husband's not on my social media. And I just
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: really was like, if I did this, he would have
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: to be on it.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: It would be my entire family dynamic.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: Am I okay with this? Is he okay with this?
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: And I told him and he was like, this is
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: the dumbest idea. Like, are you joking? He's like, absolutely not.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: And I was like, you know, look, it's a reboot.
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: It's going to be completely different. It's going to be diverse.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: And he goes, you know what? If you really feel
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: like this is something you want to do, then I'll
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: support it.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: And so that's how our conversation went. And how did
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: you meet your husband? I met him in Costa Rica
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: at a swim up bar. Oh, okay. Which is... like
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: there's a YouTube video about it. Okay, so I'm hearing like, okay,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I heard or read or getting bits and pieces. I
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: thought he owned a bar and you worked at it.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: I've heard that too. Okay, so I'm not crazy. That's great.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: But it's a swim up bar turned into, that's why
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: all these telephone. This is where a game of telephone happens.
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: So apparently I heard that I met my husband and
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: he was my boss and he owned a bar.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: But when I met my husband, he lived in Canada.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: My husband actually did not move to New York City
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: until my son was born, our son was born, which
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: was our second child. So my first daughter was born 2011.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: How old is she?
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: 2011. I lived in Canada for about a year and
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: a half then. So you met him at a swim-up bar.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: We dated for two years. And he was divorced. Six
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: years divorced. Okay. So when you see the rumor.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: I like don't care to answer these kinds of rumors
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: because I'm like the investigation is so bad that I
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: just– I'm like go for it.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I mean this is so off what the rumor is
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: that was going around that I read online. I don't
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: know how it got started. But who made it up
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: for one and for two? It was like, ask Cy about,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: you know, how she worked at, and I was like,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: when was he a restaurateur? Like, I was like, when
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: did he own a bar?
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: But how could he have owned a bar here when
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: he didn't have citizenship in New York City?
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: He's Canadian. You know, I wonder, okay, I wonder if.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: It doesn't, the math is not mathing. It's like boy
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: math that does not make sense.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: This is actually the first time I addressed it because
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: I refused to address it because I thought it was
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: so ridiculous.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: Like just if you're going to research all the papers,
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: research the divorce, research everything.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Do your math. Wow. It's all false. It's all made up. Listen,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I'm honest. I'm very transparent.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: At the end of the day, it was the biggest
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: snowball that I've ever seen. And I just actually was
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: quite funny.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: So you've been together how many years? We've been together
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: for 14 years. And you got married how long ago?
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: We got married six years ago when my son was born. Oh,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: so you had your daughter and then you guys got married. Yeah. Actually,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I had my daughter and my son. We got married
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: when my son was three months.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Great. Yeah. Okay. And your husband had a business in
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: which he sold it, right? Yes. So does he do
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: any other things? Yeah, he takes care of our kids. Okay.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: So that served him with a life to not have
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: to really pursue anything else if he didn't want to. No,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: he really, yeah. He's just really happy to be with
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: the kids. Okay. Wow. Well, this is like- Well, I mean,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: this is the first time I cleared it up. Thanks
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: for the question. Yeah, because I'm just like, you know,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: and- You know, of course, we know as experienced viewers
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: of it that this is small tidbits of hours and
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: hours and hours of things that you film. And a
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: lot of people are like, they didn't see me with
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: my kids. You didn't see me do my charity work.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: You didn't see. Right. You only highlighted this one time
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: that my husband rolled his eyes at me or whatever,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: like throughout the history of the Housewives. So, I mean,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I do think that is interesting. Now, with this particular
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: season is that it was a little confusing to the
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: viewer because of your lives. And I think that's what
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: was confusion. I was like, wait, who's married to whom?
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: And how did they meet? And if you watch the
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: original Real Housewives of New York, for the first three episodes,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: they almost didn't even interact. We'd see Jill in her
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: home with Bobby and her daughter. And then we really
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: kind of understood, oh, this is the countess. And I
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: think it's because... You guys, and it's not a secret,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: but you had another cast member who then left the show.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: And so I wonder if that is why there had
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: to be some editing adjusting and why there was a
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: little bit of confusion about people's lives.
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: No, she left the show early on. So I don't
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: think that that was anything to do with it.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I think what.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: I think what happened with even if there was some
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: sort of confusion for viewers is that we're the first season.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: It's season 14, but it's season one for us.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Right, exactly.
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: So we had really big shoes to fill. You needed
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: to know everything about us from the gate. We can't
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: be laggy. There wasn't any time to lag. Season one, Roni,
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: could lag all at once. But we were very much like,
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: we need to pop off straight out of the gate.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: This is us. This is who we are.
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: Watch us get to know each other. This is our dynamic.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: It wasn't, we didn't have time to really just like
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: kind of cruise it. So I think they were just
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: kind of being like, Look, here are six dynamic girls.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: These are their lives. Get to know us. Ready, set, go.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Got it. And then it starts off and, you know,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I loved the fashion. I love seeing your place. I
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: love seeing– I love New York as a backdrop. I
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: love Sex and the City. Like, you know, there's some
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: housewives of cities that are not real fun to– as
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: fun as to look at architectural wise, you know? And
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: so you're really just focusing on the girls, but it's
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: nice when you get both. And I think Beverly Hills
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: and New York have that. Right. You know what I mean?
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: It's like a seventh character or whatever. And this photo
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: that we have of you guys, you were saying that
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: you really went on this rooftop and took this photo,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: which I love.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: It's funny because you look at it and it almost
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: kind of looks fake. I mean, there are some additives
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: like these birds in the background. But for the most part, no,
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: we really were on this roof. We were on this
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: like little wooden box. The steps were there. Everything about this,
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: this is everyone's placement is real. This is a real photo.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: It's just a little enhanced with.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: You know. the colors and the birds and everything. Other
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: than that, yeah, this was exactly us. Now, you all
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: really kill it in the fashion. All of you have
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: great fashion. And did all of you or, you know,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: have a stylist as going into this? You know, when
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: you watch the old things, the girls from the OC
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: with their sky tops and People didn't know what they
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: were getting into because it was 16 years ago.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: And now it's like, hey, look, I know, and I
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: know I could probably get your stylish. I could get
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: the help. But I also want to make sure, like,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: before we start filming, that I have some good outfits together.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Like how was it getting dressed for every time you're
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: filming and thinking about it? I think that'd be hard.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: It was a lot. It was very intense.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, I usually dress myself because of what I've
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: been doing for so long, but I actually did end
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: up hiring a stylist because I was still working as
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: an influencer full time. So for me, to have to
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: call my clients, do polls, borrow clothes, do all the things.
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: It got very overwhelming for me. So I said, you
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: know what, if I can allocate some, some money for
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: just the stylist and that's all they do, I don't
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: have to think about that aspect of it.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: So for me, it made sense.
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: And I also create content for a living that I
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: kill two birds with one stone by also creating content
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: with the clothes that he gets me. So that made sense. Um,
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: Not everyone had a stylist. No, they all kind of
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: just dress themselves.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Not everyone. I think maybe two or three people had
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: a stylist for certain events. Yes. But otherwise, people just
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: dress themselves. Well, I think they all did a great job. Yeah,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: I think everyone is a very fashionable cast. Very fashionable.
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: We have our own personalities. Everyone's super different. It shows
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: by what we wear.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Right. So we start to get to know you guys.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: And now the first argument, whatever, is you're at BravoCon
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: last year. They announce your show. And then you're free
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: to go off for an evening. And Aaron goes, I
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: have a table at whatever. Can we say it now? Yeah, Catch. Okay,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: they says Catch. And now were you really just not
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: feeling the restaurant or did you just already have a
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: reservation someone else better and you just felt like going there?
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: What happened of going to Cipriani's over Catch? No, actually
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: it was a group chat. So it was a group chat.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: It was like, I'm going to Catch.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: Okay. And then I think Brynn hit me and was like,
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: I don't want to go there. I said, I don't
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: really want to go either, but I'll go for a drink.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: And then I said, okay, do you want to go
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: to Casa Cipriani to go and eat? And she's like, okay, yeah,
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: so we'll break off. Because Erin ended up getting a
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: reservation for 10, which we all know getting a reservation
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: last minute is extremely hard, which is why she ended
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: up going with Catch. So that evening, I thought that
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: I was– I told Erin. I sent her a message.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: I said, hey, by the way, I'm not going to
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: stay for dinner. I'll stay for drinks. And– At the
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: end of the night, actually no one even said that
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: they weren't going to catch. Everyone actually just left me.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: I was the last person to leave. So Aaron was there.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: Everyone was there.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: They all left out. And I was the last person.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: They all left and had their own dinners?
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: No one ever told me, hey, we're not going to
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: catch anymore for a drink or anything.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Everyone just left. Oh, you mean everyone never showed up
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: to catch? Only you showed up to catch? No, no, no.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: So we left. Oh, sorry about that. We left BravoCon. Okay.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: So as we were leaving BravoCon, everyone was saying bye
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: and leaving. Oh. But no one ever said, hey, our
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: plans are canceled. Oh. Oh.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: But still, I had every intention of going to dinner
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: later on that night with Brynn, but I was going
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: to go to Catch to.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Have a drink. So Catch never happened. Not for me.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I think it happened for Erin and maybe Jessel.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: But it never- Then they saw the post.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Then they saw that we were at Cipriani. And then
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: you start filming and it gets brought up. Yeah. Okay.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Got it. And then the cheese platter was that she
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: said- You said, are you having dinner? And she goes, no,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: I'm just having like a cheese platter. No, that whole
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: thing was misconstrued. Okay, what was that?
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: That whole thing was ridiculous. So we decided to get together, me, Jessel, Uba, Erin.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: Erin decided to do a little something at her house.
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: She was like, we're going to do drinks.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: And I called her. It was in the evening. It
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: was around 8 o'clock. And I called her and I
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: was like, so should we order food? What are we
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: doing for dinner? And she was like, no, I'm just
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: going to have drinks. I said, cool. So I made
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: sure to eat beforehand. Came over, brought her a bottle
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: of champagne. She had a cheese plate.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: Loved the cheese. I was like, oh, oh my God,
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: I love this cheese. I think it was like Drunken
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: Goat or something. And she goes, oh my God, me too.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: I got it from Farmer's Market.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: Had the best time ever. We all had a great time.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: We drank except for Uba because she doesn't drink. And
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: was this filmed or not filmed? This was not filmed.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: This was just us hanging out, having a good time.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: And then next thing you know, I meet Brynn and
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: Brynn was like, oh, funny. Erin said that you went
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: to her house and said, is this all we're having?
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: Is this cheese thing? And I'm like, but I never
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: said that. So it insinuated that I was being rude,
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: but it never happened. Erin and I ended up talking
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: about it and we squashed the beef. Well, you were
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: mad at the reunion. I was so upset about it
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: because I'm like, it's the stupidest argument.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. But at the reunion, I was like, can
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: you just please admit that I never said it? And
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: did she? Yeah, she did.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Well, I am someone that gets very hungry as well.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, great.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: And like if I– like I'm excited. Like tonight I'm
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: going to like a wine pairing thing. And so I
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: like plan for it. Like I had a small Trader
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Joe's salad at 12 and that's it. Like I'm showing
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: up at that thing at 5.30 freaking hungry. I like
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: to be hungry. Food is good. I don't understand. I
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: mean– People that are no longer hungry because they're on Ozempic,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: I think it's kind of sad. You're missing out. You're
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: missing out. Food is such– it brings so much joy.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I know. It's like so much joy. So, like, it
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: did not bother me that you would ask about food
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: to me because, like, one thing I do is– and
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: I've said it and my friends know. And I try
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: to be more sensitive to people that don't enjoy this.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: But I believe I'm one of the world's best orderers. Okay.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I think it's an art. I think it could be
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: a great competition show, okay, where you go to a
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: restaurant and now my friends know, just let Heather do it,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: you know? And I'm very conscious that this person doesn't
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: eat meat. This one's a vegetarian. And I look at
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: the menu and I decide how many apps, a variety
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: of them, how many different meals, a fish, a chicken,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: who wants the brins, you know? I love this. And
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: the goal is everyone's satisfied and there's no leftovers. We
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: didn't over-order. This is like ideal. And most people love
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: to just buy sister stuff. But once in a while,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: I'll know that someone's like, no, I want my own salmon.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, that's fine. So I do ask
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: now if I can have it. And it is my
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: selfish way of being able to try everything on the menu. No,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I love it. I would love for someone to do
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: that for me. Usually when I go out with my husband,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: he's like, just order for me. And sometimes I'm like,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: please just order for me. But, I mean, I'm used
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: to doing all that. But I don't do it as
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: well as you do. That's amazing. First of all, I'm salivating.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I just had a sandwich. But there
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: are people, too, that do need to eat, like, every
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: few hours. That is me. It is their thing. And, like,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: I was with my son this weekend. And it's, like,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: a completely different– I mean, he's 6'4. Like, I'm like,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: you're being such a dick. We need to get food now.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: And my sister was with me. And I'm like, if
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: I don't get Drake– It's so true. Like a burger
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: or something. And then it's like completely a delight 10
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: minutes later. But it's like your blood sugar dips. Your
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: personality is gone. Like you're just like a totally hangry bitch.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Like it just totally changed when you're hungry and you're
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: not eating. So sorry. It was my thing.
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: And again, I apologize for all the things.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: That I said when I was hangry. That is fine. Now,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: the other thing is we get to know everyone's childhood.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Which everyone had a pretty interesting childhood. And I think
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: that is important to get to know someone. But I
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: did feel it was portrayed in a way that it
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: was a little bit of a competition of like who
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: had the shittier, sadder childhood. And it felt like that
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: a little bit. And so there was that. But then
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I also want to say this other thing that I
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: noticed about shows and I'm conscious to of this. And
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I think it's from watching Housewives and stuff. Is the
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: don't make it about yourself. Right. Instead, and there's two
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: ways to look at it. If you say, like I
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: remember old Real Housewives, Brandi Glanville on Beverly Hills. There
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: was a girl with beautiful hair. What was her name? Joan?
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: What was her name? She was, no, she was Puerto Rican.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: She had long, gorgeous hair. Joyce. Joyce. Yes. I remember her.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: So she was the first Puerto Rican.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: Yes. Yes.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: And Brandy didn't really love her. But anyway, Brandy had
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: a horrible night where she was away from her kids
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: filming and they found out like the little dog had
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: died or something.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: Oh, gosh.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: And so she's crying, crying. And Joyce is being very nice.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: And she was like, oh, my gosh. You know, I
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: know how you feel. You know, we lost a dog
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: last year. And she just goes, Joyce, it's not about you.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: And I remember watching that and being like, I don't know.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: It's a really hard thing to do. She was trying
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: to connect. You can try to connect. And so you
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: had shared about your childhood and that your mom suffered
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: from alcoholism.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: And at one point, Jessel says, you know, my uncle
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: also was an alcoholic. And I get it. It's not
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: the same as a mom. But a lot of people
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: had stuff to say about your reaction of being like,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: I don't care. You're acting real bitchy. You're like, I
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: don't care. You know, actually, I don't really care. It's not.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I said I didn't say I didn't care about her uncle.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I think that this is like what's going on. Yes.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: She brought me to lunch to ask me if we're good. Right.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: And I was like, it's not I didn't care about her.
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: I didn't I didn't care about we didn't need to
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: go to lunch at this moment. You could have just
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: called me or like.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: But are you also going to lunch because you have
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: a good scene then? I didn't really want to go
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: to the lunch. Okay. Because you weren't feeling the vibe
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: at the time? I was working. I was already stressed out.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: There was a lot going on. Okay. At the time,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: me and Jessel just really didn't click.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: And that's okay. Not everybody is going to click. Or
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: click right away. Or click right away. Like next season
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: you could click.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: Look, at the end of the day, I don't. I
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: didn't know Jessel. I just got to know her through filming.
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: So let's just be honest. And I didn't know her.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: We started knowing each other. There are things about her
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: that drove me crazy. I'm sure there are things about
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: me that drove her crazy at the end of the day.
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: So this lunch was just It was just too much
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: for me.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Right. And again, it wasn't because when I heard about
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: her uncle, I felt terrible. Yeah.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: But I wasn't saying I didn't care because of her uncle.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: I just didn't care to be in this moment. Got it.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: She didn't have to explain to herself to me is
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: what I was saying.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't care. You don't have to explain yourself
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: to me. I also think in this day and age.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: there's this weird thing that I never heard until 2020.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: which is almost like a flex to say, I didn't
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: have it good. Really? It's this big thing that's happening
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: where it's like, no, let me remind you, I'm self-made. No,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't have it that well. And I've even joked
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: about the fact I had a very nice childhood. You know,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: lived in a nice house, but am I going to go,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: but we only had one? Like, I just was like, no,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: like I never wanted for anything. I always felt lucky.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: I didn't even know people had other houses until I
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: got to college. I didn't even know what a trust
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: fund was until after college, but I never needed anything.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: But now I feel like there's this thing now with...
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: I never heard the expression generational wealth until two years ago.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: And now people trying to be like, you have generational wealth,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: but I don't. And I feel like that was a
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: big conversation. And I wonder if she was trying to
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: set the record straight of being like... Look, I've had
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: some really great things in my life, but I've also
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: had some things that I suffered with. And I want
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: to make sure everyone knows that I didn't have this
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: charmed life because people with charmed life are like not
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: popular right now.
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: I really don't know what it is. I don't know
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: if it's like the nepo baby thing.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Right, exactly. No one wants to be the nepo baby.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Or if they are a nepo baby, they have to go, yeah,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: I'm a nepo baby, but I'm not pursuing acting. I'm
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: being a chef. You're like, it's fine. Look, my kids
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: are going to have it easier than I did because
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: my parents weren't in entertainment. I'm also not Steven Spielberg,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: but there's things they can do for me. I can
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: introduce them to people. There is that, that they're going
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: to have an easier situation. Watching back, it was all
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: just a mess. I kind of thought it was interesting
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: because I thought it was more of a reflection of
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Of the time and like, you know, everyone has a story.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Everyone has an interesting, juicy childhood story. And even if
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: you had the most perfect thing and your parents loved you.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: And they loved each other and they're still married. Then
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: you're like, well, I'm fucked up with relationships because I
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: had this ridiculous relationship I could never live up to.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Like even if your parents do it right, people are
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: going to be like, well, this was an unrealistic love.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: That the two of you had forever and you never fought.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: And now I don't know how to fight for my spouse.
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: It's going to be scrutiny no matter what you do.
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: People are going to judge you no matter what you say,
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: what you do. And now being in this whole like
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: Bravo universe, it's– I can do no wrong. If I
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: am yelling, she's angry, she's rude, she's mean, and everyone
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: loses the message, even if the message is right. If
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: I'm nice and I'm crying, oh, she's backpedaling. Give me
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: a break. Now you want to say sorry. It's not
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: good enough. So it's literally I could do absolutely no
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: right and I'm okay with it. I'm just like I've
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: got to walk away and just own my truth and
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: it is what it is.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that it's a very hard job to have.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: And I do think when I hear like, someone like
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Kyle saying, oh, I've suffered from anxiety. I'm like, of
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: course you have. You've been on Housewives for 12 years.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: How could you not have anxiety every time you film?
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: And now do you drink? I do. Okay. But even
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: if you just have a few drinks and you have
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: maybe a moment and you leave and you're fine and
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: you're feeling coherent, then I can imagine that you wake
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: up like some of us do, go to the bathroom, pee.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: And you're like, Oh, shit. Did I say something I regret?
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Now you have to think about that. Then you have
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: to think about when they see it, when they get
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: the episode a week before, then when the whole world
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: sees it, then when you have to also explain it.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: It is weird to really let yourself go, I would think.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Because you're reliving a moment three times. Yeah.
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: And it's not realistic. That's not how the world works. You're, one,
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: living in the moment, right? You say those things. Two,
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: now you're watching it and the whole world is watching
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: it and they're judging you and you have to deal
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: with everyone's opinion online. And then three, now we have
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: to talk about it again in the reunion. So even
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: if you squash beef or whatever, you move on, it
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: continuously circulates and it's in your face. So it's a
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: very hard thing to go through because it's a very
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: unrealistic thing. Like it's a very unrealistic experience that people
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: don't realize.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Yes. Now, Uba, who is a lot of fun. She's
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: a lot of fun. And a gorgeous girl and a
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: real model and all that. So she lets you know
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: that she's dating this guy.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: So when you guys were at the, what was it?
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: You're at the golf place, Topgolf. What were you doing?
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: Oh, Swingers.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Swingers. Oh, it's a golf thing, right?
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: I couldn't, I won't forget the name. So she is
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: showing you a photo of him, right? Right. Which now
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: we've seen him, very good looking. They make a gorgeous couple. Yes, yes, correct.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: And so you're like, good for you. It seems like
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: a winner, you know, has his shit together. And so
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: now where did you get in trouble? This is what
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: I don't understand. How did you fuck up and then
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: got mad? I got in trouble off camera. Like, I mean,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: I spilled the beans off camera.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: To who?
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, wait. Let me break this down. Now that we
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: know who he is, now we've seen a photo of him.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Now we know who he is. I'm still going to
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: call him Mr. Connecticut. He's a good-looking, like, German... He's amazing.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: He's sweet. Executive or something. He's loving. How did they meet?
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: And I don't know anything. Don't say that. So all
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: I know is that we all know that together now.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: They went to the ballet and they looked hot. OK.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: They look great together. She showed me, said she's good.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: She's happy.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: Lovely.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Mind you, I don't know his name. I don't know.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Where he works. Okay. All I know is where he lives. Right.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I know where he lives and I know they're dating.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Those are the only two things I know. And you
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: saw the photo that he was cute. And I saw
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: the photo that he's cute.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Move on.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: I'm in the Halloween store with Aaron. Aaron drops a
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: bomb on me about my husband insulting Oopa.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: So immediately. Which he said, which I loved this moment
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: because I think a lot of people do this. And
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: it is well-intended.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: They think it's a compliment. But it is one of
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: those things that especially now with younger women, it's a
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: really rude thing to say. It is.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Because a lot of women and men will never get married. Yeah.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: And it's a very uncomfortable position to be in. And
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: I had friends that were single. And still are. You know,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: like I just got together with my sorority sisters for
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: the weekend. And of the four of us, well, there's five.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: One was missing. Of the five of us, two are
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: married to our first husbands past 20 years. Two are
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: divorced and one, her second husband has passed. Okay. And
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: the other one has never been married. And I was like,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: that is actually a perfect demographic. Yeah. Of the world.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: It's not every, you know what I mean? And we
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: all get along and talk and console each other and
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: give each other advice, even though we haven't lived the
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: world life. So I think... But I have seen that
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: happen with single girlfriends where people, girls and guys, like,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: what do you mean you don't have a boyfriend? Like,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: you're gorgeous. What's the da-da-da-da? And I thought she was
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: going to be like, what does it matter? But she's like,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know, ask on because she was, you know,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: being funny. But, like, I totally got how– the intention
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: was a compliment. Yeah. But I thought it was a
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: good teaching moment for the world, honestly.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: It was a compliment, but you can tell it was,
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: even when I watched it, I said, hey, babe, that
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: wasn't cool because it was an uncomfortable moment.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Because he's also yelling it. You know, it's like he's like, hey,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: by the way, why are you, why are you single?
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: You know, it was a very uncomfortable moment. And I
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: know my husband, he meant nothing but good intentions behind it.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: But I think after he saw it and me telling.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Him, he complained. completely understood. Yeah, totally. And then he,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: which he did later on, apologized. But the final thing,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: I also think a question that I think is cringe
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: and has to stop is when you meet somebody and
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: they have a child, a couple children, to say, are
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: you going to have more? Yeah. I think we need
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: to stop asking that. Let that person give that information
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: once they're more comfortable. I agree. And say, he's two.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: We're trying because we want them to be close in age. Okay,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: now you know they're trying.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Then you can talk about it. But I think... It's
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: a weird thing. I remember my mom has passed too.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: And I remember my friend... who was my friend for
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: a long time. She had her son and he was
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: super cute. She had him at 38 and she didn't
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: even have trouble. She was with her guy for a
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: long time. They just tried and then she got pregnant.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: But I already knew that's like an inappropriate question. And
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: my mom was just like, What do you mean you
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: don't know if you're going to have more? Why wouldn't
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: you have more? And I was like, Mom, I'm like,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: only children have it fucking made. Trust me. Like, I
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: was just like, stop it, Mom. Like, I was like, Mom,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: you know, and she just thinks that she's being she's like,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: he's so adorable.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you make more? Like, and it's offensive. Yeah. Yeah.
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: You can't you definitely can't say or do things like
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: that anymore. But I think that's also very old school.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Right. And when you grow up like that, it's just,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: you don't mean anything by it. You're not trying to
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: be malicious. But that's growing up and seeing like, yeah,
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: that isn't. That does put someone in a weird position.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: And I remember even with couples that chose not to
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: have kids. And there's that scene in Sex and the
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: City 2 where they're at the wedding. And there's the
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: girls like, oh, I'm a fan of your books, Carrie.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: And do you have kids? And they're like, no, just
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: us two. Just us two. And the girl acts all weird.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: I remember this scene.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: And then it was like, well, just us two. But
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: I had friends too where people asked. And then finally
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: she gets to an age and people stop asking. That's crazy, right?
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? And it's like, finally. It
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: must feel so good that when people stop asking. You're like,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: thank God. Thank God you stopped asking me. But then again,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: are you like, is it because I'm older? Like, do
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: you start feeling old because people are not asking? I
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: had one friend and she, you know, Jen Kirkman, she's
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: a comedian. She actually wrote a book talking about how
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: she has chose childless by choice, you know, and she was,
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: but she was married. She's now divorced, but she was married.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: And she was new right away with the husband before
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: they got married. We are not having kids. This is
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: what we both want, blah, blah, blah. And she had
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: a lot of jokes about people asking. And I think
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: one of the nice things she said to me was
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: she's like, Heather, you were the only person that I
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: told that was like, cool. And I'm like, yeah, because
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: I have them. Yeah, right. Because I have them and
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: I know what a life of stress of having them is.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: It's no joke. And I think you're a very lucky
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: person if you know you don't want to have them
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: and you're not someone that wants them and then is
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: struggling to have them. You're good. You're fine. And I
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: think more and more people, that isn't a weird thing.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: That's not a sad thing. I think it's fine.
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: I think it's becoming normal, though. I have a few
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: friends who don't want children. And I never say anything.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: I'm always like, that's cool. And it's good that they
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: can see other successful, happy women that were childless by
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: choice and have a wonderful life in their 50s and 60s.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: And they have other children and family around them. And
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: they never felt like they missed out. They never went
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: for it. And if someone does say, hey, that's my
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: one regret, then that's their story, too. But like, yeah.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: I think it's fine. Yeah, yeah. I think it's fine.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: So I kind of saw it as a nice moment,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: a teachable moment. Right, right. Where intention's not bad, but...
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: In that very moment, I didn't know she was offended.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: I missed the entire moment.
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: Because I'm so used to my husband blurting out these
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: kinds of things that I'm just like.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Whatever. Well, your husband in one moment I thought was
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: pretty great. When you were like talking. Now, Jessel admits
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: she's the one that put the information out there. We're
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: not fucking. Okay. She's the one that said it. So
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: I want to make that really clear as everyone's talking about.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: She could have very well gone on the show. There
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: was no paper she had to sign. We need to
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: know how many times you bone in order to get
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: the Bravo contract. People lie all the time. You can
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: say you're having it every night. You can say you
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: have it once a year for comedy purpose. Who cares?
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: You can sleep in separate rooms and no one has
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: to know that you sleep in a separate room. The
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: cameras are not 24-7. It's whatever you want to share.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: And I love that she shared it because I think
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: there's also a lot of people out there that Their
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: sex life is off track. They're not boning. Maybe they're
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: both not that sexual. It doesn't mean you can't stay
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: married and have a happy life. Just for other people,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: it's like, what? Yeah. That bone all the time. It
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: was shocking. I think it was like. Because they're young.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: It's one thing if maybe they're older or whatever. But
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: like they're young. But your husband was like, well, I mean,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: they have two little babies.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Blah, blah, blah, blah. And so I thought in that
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: way he was cool.
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: He was like, I don't know what a woman would
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: feel like, you know, after having two babies, going through
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: a journey.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Right. No, I thought his
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: answer was, and he's level-headed. He's like my voice of reason. Yeah,
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: that was great. I was also on your side of
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: confusion about the trips to Vietnam.
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: I was very confused, but also, I don't know, like everyone,
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: she was also confused. There was an episode where he
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: told her and she was also very confused.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: So He said to fulfill people and he said or
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: she said he goes to Vietnam within like a three
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: day period just to pick up miles. Correct. And I
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: I thought it sounded very suspect, too. being that it's
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Vietnam and everything, and I talked a little bit about
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: it on the show, but I did have people write
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: in and say, I do this or my sister does this.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: And then when he explained it where it's like, no,
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: you kind of are, you know, and my husband is
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: good at booking shit and I'm not, okay? And there
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: are people that kind of get off on like, you know,
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: getting the credit card thing and you get the Adele
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: tickets if you go on right now. And if like
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: he's good at that and he knows, no, if I
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: go right now, I can get... the, you know, first
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: class ticket for $ 200 because they have an open spot. And,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: and listen, you know, when my kids were little, I
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: would still go on the road and, and do stuff.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: And I loved being alone in a hotel room. It
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: feels good. I love. It does feel good. I get it. Sleep.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: When your kids are little, like grabby little, you know,
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: your kids are older and mine are really old, but
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: like where there's like 10 years there where you're just like,
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: You're never alone. You never get to sleep. You're never
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: solid sleep unless you go away by yourself. And I
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: did like going on planes. Especially when it was first class,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: I was like, I get to watch my movies and
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: I get to have someone bring me wine. So then
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: I kind of was like, okay, it's his escape for
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: three days from the one-year-old twins. But, I mean, think
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: about it. If you're in that moment, though, I'm not
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: watching the show. I'm in a moment. I'm just living
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: a moment. And you're asking a question. Yeah, my girlfriend
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: tells me. She's not having sex. I'm shocked. It's been
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: two years. I'm like, wow. And then next thing you know,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: my girlfriend's telling me her husband's going to Vietnam for
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: three days. And I'm like, huh, what? I'm confused. I
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: didn't know about the– like, what do you mean about
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: the miles? Like, why? I don't follow points, guy. Like,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: It's just– you're just having a conversation with your friend.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: And then you know what?
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: Yes, I'm going to tell everybody else in the group, too.
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: Because– Friends talk. And you're like, hey, by the way, Erin,
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: did you know so-and-so went to Vietnam? It was so,
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: it was just a freaking moment. And then all of
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: a sudden, it was, it happened.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Over and over again because it became a storyline. Yes.
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: And once something becomes a storyline in a show, someone
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: has to keep pushing it. If it doesn't keep being pushed,
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: there's no storyline and there's nothing to talk about. And
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: this is what happens in these shows. So did I
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: push Jussel's storyline a little bit too far?
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. But you know what? We're talking about something, right?
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: I gave everybody something to talk about. Jussel gave me
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: something to talk about. And it was what it was.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: We produced a really fucking great show that people are
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: talking about. What I think people also like is at
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: least there were a couple husbands. You know, so many
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: of the shows, we don't either have husbands or we
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: don't see the husbands. And we like seeing the husbands.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: I think people like that about New Jersey. We like
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: seeing a dynamic between the housewife and a guy, whether
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: she's dating them, a boyfriend or whatever. And so it's
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: nice that the three of you like had husbands that
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: were participating that we got to see. I think that's...
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Do we really like that though?
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: Do we really, do we like when they're like overly involved?
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: Do we like when they... I think it helps with
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: the storylines. Or do we like when they're on the sidelines?
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: I think it helps to have them be, I think
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: the show is more exciting when it's not just all
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: women involved. You can do a girl's trip for that,
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: but if we're really following someone's life... No, I do.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: There are certain housewives, like, I mean, Lisa Rinna, when
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: she was on, it was like Carrie Hamlin was, like, literally, like,
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: on one time to, like, barbecue some chicken. We never
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: went to the dinners. We didn't see the guys talk.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: We didn't see them ever exchange. And then, you know,
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Erika Jayne, before she got... That was like, okay, Tom
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: barely made an appearance. Now we have... No men, but
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: like PK. And so, like, I don't know. I like it.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: I like it if it's possible. I think it is.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: But if your real life is that your husband really
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to participate, then that's also real life, too.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Then he wouldn't go to the dinner anyway.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: So, like, I get that. But, like, you know, when
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: they had their sexy night, which was reminiscent of– I
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: remember Ramona and Mario, they have a sexy night at
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: a hotel and everything. And then she comes out and
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: she's like in her lingerie and she looks good. And
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: he's kind of laughing. She looked great. And she's laughing.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: She looked amazing. Also, you guys, there's cameras and lights.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Like if they're going to screw that night or tomorrow
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: morning or whatever. He's not going to get a boner
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: right now. This is so embarrassing. This is the first
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: time they've been on a reality show. We've seen Tamara
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: in the tub with Eddie. We've seen these moments that, okay,
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: if they're extra comfortable getting down, great. But not everybody is. Right, right.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: And a lot of people are not into PDA. So
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: think about PDA with the camera, somebody cram it like.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: It must be kind of hard, you know? I'm assuming, yeah.
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, I didn't– I don't do PDA. I didn't–
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: I definitely was not putting on lingerie for my husband.
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: So I don't– I could see how that can be
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: totally awkward for sure. And then, look, that was their thing.
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: But I definitely think that Jessa looked absolutely beautiful in
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: her lingerie. She should have got a round of applause,
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: to be honest. I would have applauded her.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: I thought– She was like the most disliked in the
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: beginning and then like the most liked by the end. Right.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: People now find them like funny and great, which is great.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: And I did think the green and black lingerie was
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: unflattering on her. It looked like a Christmas tree. Yeah. Well,
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: it just like wasn't good around her boobs. It was funny.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: It just wasn't. But she didn't have to be mean
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: about it. But I don't think she should have been mean, right? No,
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: she shouldn't have been mean. It was definitely a gift.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: And it was more of just sometimes when people give
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: you things, don't. You can be like, oh, wow, okay,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: maybe I can exchange it for something else. Like what
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: I would have done if I was a case. The
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: constant complaint. If I put it on and it was
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: that unflattering, unless that was going to come out, which
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: I've done with friends where I'm trying on stuff and
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: it's something so horrific and awful or like Campbell Toll,
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: it'll come out and be funny about how awful it is.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: But if it really was awful and it was really unflattering, yeah,
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: what you should have done has been like, I'm not
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: wearing it. Thank you. It was not my thing, but
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Right. But, like, yeah. You know, who knows?
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: You live and you learn. You look back. You have cameras.
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: She didn't even realize she was saying those things until
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: she watched it back. So, again, like, we're all really
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: real in these.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Moments. We're living just normal ass moments. They just so
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: happen to be recorded. So let's talk BravoCon a little bit.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: So I, before you came, I was like, so now
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: Jenna Lyons did not come. No. And I'm not surprised.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: I think this is a lot of over sensory. I
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: can see why she didn't. Um, I think Bravo treats
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: everybody how they want to treat them. It is not
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: a factory.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: You know, so it's like if someone is like, I don't,
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: but they're still valuable, they were not going to care.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: But I think if someone is like, I really would
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: not like to come and they can convince you to,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: then they do.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: You know, so I thought maybe her not coming might
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: be a sign that she's not coming back, but I
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: hope she comes back. Now, how did you like it?
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, how is it? feeling like a rock star
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: for the first time. Surreal.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: It was so crazy. It was the craziest experience I've
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: ever had. Because I'm someone who.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: I take the train in New York City every day.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: No one cares.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: Everyone's like, just move over so I can get on
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: the train.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Do people recognize you in real life now?
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: They do, but not on that level. BravoCon is a
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: different level. And we were talking about a little bit earlier,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: but there's tons of people outside and everyone knows who
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: you are and they're screaming your name. And when you're
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: walking through the venue... People are screaming your name and
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: want to take your photo. You go from zero to
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: hero in like two seconds straight. And you're kind of–
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: you're just in shock. I was anyway.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: I wasn't– I was not prepared for any of it
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: at all. I saw this girl just walking around where
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: all the booths are and stuff. And she really– she
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: had a white dress on. And she really did look
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: like Whitney Rose from Salt Lake City. Oh, wow. And
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: I just start going– you guys, it's Whitney Rose. And
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: I swear, a group of people came and she was laughing.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: And I mean, she really didn't look like her. But
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: then everyone's like, oh, wait, that's not her. That's not her.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: And it was just like... I like your prank. That's
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: actually really funny. Because everybody is like, it's all about
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: the photos and, you know, which I totally understand. But yeah.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: How did your panel go? My panel went really well.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: We did miss Jenna.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: I feel like Jenna definitely should have been there for
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: Not should have, but it would have been nice if
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: she was there for the panel.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: I think– I mean, I think– I don't know how
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: it works. Obviously, it didn't work with Bravo. But, like,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: if I was there, I'd be like, you know, hey,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: could you just make the panel and you don't have
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: to do all the– photo things and go to the
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: tent and go do the other show down at the
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: bottom of the stairs and that kind of stuff. It
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: was great.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: There were tons of people there. It was pretty much
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: sold out. There was only standing available and then a
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: lot of people didn't get in.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: Well, Christian Snow is a great Instagrammer. I saw him.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: I I was watching, following him. And he said that
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: he felt that you guys got the most excitement, love,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: the longest line for the photos. And I do think
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: it's because, you know, it's new. And the fans have
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: maybe gone three times. This is the third time. This
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: is a brand new cast. You are the only new
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: cast of anything. It's the first time it's ever happening, right? Yeah.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: And I've explained this to someone else before, but I'm like, yes,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: it is. It is a season 14, but it's a
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: season one for us. And so we are something that
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: for the first time in franchise history is a complete
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: clean slate and starting over. And we have built-in fans
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: already because of what everyone else has done prior. Because
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: of all the OGs paved the way for us, we
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: have those built-in fans that would make this show successful
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: off the bat. Whereas if this was a brand new
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: cast with a different name, we probably would... be a
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: little bit lower and have to climb up into a
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: few more seasons.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: So it is a very unique experience. And I saw
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: Brynn and she was at something last night, Glamour Magazine.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: Something with Uba.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: And.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: Erin was there too. Really looked gorgeous. Yeah, they were beautiful. Like,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: oh my God. And they were like doing correspondence stuff
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: or whatever. So, I mean, I think that's exciting too
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: that you guys are getting all these extra opportunities and
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: jobs and, you know, and.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's new. I think the girls are
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: all super outgoing. They're really great, great girls. They all hustle.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: I love a hustler at the end of the day. So, yeah,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: I think everyone's taking advantage of this opportunity and just
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: going out there and hustling it up. So it's for me,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: I'm like, this is this is right up my alley
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: to be surrounded by other women who are driven.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: And yeah. So when do you guys start filming again? Well,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: we don't know that quite yet. Okay. Yeah, we're not
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: there yet. All right. And what did you love most
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: about the season and what did you dislike the most?
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: I really disliked living in the same moment over and
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: over again three times. That for me was, it's just
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: not normal to constantly relive a moment. What did I love?
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: I really liked, I think we had a lot of fun.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: There were lots of things that no one saw. Like,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: we had this whole improv thing in Anguilla that was hysterical. Like,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: we had one dinner where me, Erin, and Brynn, we
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: were crying, laughing so hard we almost peed ourselves. Like,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 5: we had some moments that were so, so funny that
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: the audience didn't get to see, and I'm a little
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: bummed by it. But at least we have those memories
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: because we were there, and we had a really good time.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: I think, and also this experience is not like you're alone.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: You have six, five other people, right? Like, and that
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 5: has experienced this too. And it's an experience that is
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: unlike any other. Like even me telling my best friend,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: I'm like, you don't understand.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: Like I have a camera. What did she think watching you?
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: She was like, I don't understand why people think you're
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: a bitch. She was like, am I biased? She goes,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: maybe I'm just used to you because I am a
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: little bit brash, but I am very direct. But when
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: she says things to me and I respond to her,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: She's never offended by it because she knows that's.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: Not what I mean. For example, the other day, she
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: came with me to BravoCon. And I was like, can
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: you– no, I said, scoot back. I can't see. But
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: the way I said it, she was like, oh, my gosh.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: If someone was listening to us– Like filming that.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: They would think that you're such a bitch.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: But you didn't mean it like that. You just meant, hey,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: scoot back. I can't see. Right. Yeah. You know what
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: I mean? And she's absolutely right. It's just my personality.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: It's just me. Right.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, there's that. But for the most part,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: it was a really, really great experience. Yeah.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: Reunion was tough. Reunion, I felt like, was the most
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: difficult part. And I think it was just because I'm
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: not someone who sits down to talk about my feelings
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: and hash things out.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: Right. I'm not. Have you done much therapy? I've done
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: zero therapy. That was my first therapy session. Andy's my therapist.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: So you never went to any grief counseling when your
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: mother passed?
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: I actually never talked about it until that was my
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: first time talking about it. How long has it been?
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: It's been a year. Oh, it's so fresh. Well, that's
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: another thing. When I had that lunch with Jessel, my
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: mom had passed five months prior to that moment. So
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: I think I was just like. Yeah, I mean, my
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: parents have passed. And the first couple of years are
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: really hard because sometimes it just hits you at different
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: times and it affects you at different times that you can't,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: you know. It comes in waves. Yeah. Grief comes in waves.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: And then sometimes I think I put it to the
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: back and I'm like, OK, you got to move on.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: And then to talk about it. And then now I'm
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: talking about it constantly. I'm like, I've never talked about
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: it before, really. I can't remember. Do you have siblings?
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: I do have siblings. I have an older brother on
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: my mother's side. And then I have a few brothers
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: and sisters on my father's side. Oh, OK. But you
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: were the only. I'm the only one by my mom
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: and dad.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, OK.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: And are you close to those siblings at all? Not really.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: So they wouldn't really be making an appearance. No. How
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: do they feel about you being famous? Have you heard
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: from them? I think my older brother thinks it's super cool. Oh,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: that's good. And then I have a younger sister who
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: thinks it's great. Oh, that's good. My older brother, he
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: lives in the Bronx. I don't even think he knows
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: what's going on.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: He's like, he has no idea. Right.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: Zero.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: Zero. And so like what do you like? Tell me
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: what you have going on because I know you also
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: have a podcast. Tell us about that.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: Yes, I have a podcast came out maybe about three
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: months ago with my best friend who lives here. It's
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: called Harder Than We Thought. We talk about everything that
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: is lifestyles in our 40s. We talk about everything. Not
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: having kids in your 40s, you know, being successful, choosing
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: a career over a family, what that looks like. My
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: best friend is dating and I think it's the funniest
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: shit ever.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: Don't you love living vicariously?
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: Love.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: I have literally been with friends where I was like,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: I had a girl open for me during standup and
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: she was single and she was my age. And I go,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: will you turn it on? We're in Houston. I go,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: let me just see if I was single, what's out there?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: And it was fascinating because I never experienced that. That
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: wasn't invented when I met my husband. So I'm like, oh,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: my God. And then matching that. And then you match?
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: And then I swipe the wrong way and she's screaming
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: at me. And then like the conversations. Or then she'll
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: see people that she already knows. Yeah, that are like
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: recycling through. It's crazy.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 5: Like the whole dating scene, especially when you get older, too,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: you know? It's just these honest, open conversations, witty banter.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: She's super witty. We kind of feed off of each
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: other's energy. And we want to have these conversations where
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: it makes it feel like you're sitting next to your
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: own best friend.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And you're just listening in because you're agreeing. It's relatable.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: And that's pretty much what we do. We're not doing
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: any like recaps or anything like that.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: I brought up Roni probably once. Yeah.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: But.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: I didn't want people to just come there and just
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: only like focus on Roni. I kind of needed a
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: break from Roni.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: I wanted to just talk about it. And how do
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: you handle social media and people coming at you and
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: your DMs and telling you stuff? This person said this
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: about you on this podcast and this– like– Oh, my God.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: Somebody told me I'm– what did he say to me yesterday?
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 5: Someone came to me on my DM and was like,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: you're a total loser and.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: All this other– I'm sorry. But it's actually quite funny.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: I– I don't get offended easily. Some of the hate
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: would make me laugh, too.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: It was so funny because the person was so upset
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: with me.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: And I was like, but.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: Why are you so mad? He kept coming with multiple messages.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: And then at the end was like, you goward.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: Answer me.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: Because they so badly want this attention and a response.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: I just, I don't know. It made me laugh so hard.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is hysterical. And it's not, it's
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: actually quite disturbing. Have you blocked people? I have not
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: blocked anyone. I've not blocked anyone.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: However, I have blocked people from commenting certain things on
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: my page because I feel like what I do for
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: a living is social media. This is my platform that
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: I created.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: And this is my piece at the end of the day.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: And don't really give a shit about.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: Your opinion of me. I'm okay with being disliked if
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: you dislike me. But you don't need to spread that
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: on my page for everyone else to read because this
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: is what I created. Like this is my real estate
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: at the end of the day. And people get very
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: offended that they are not allowed to voice their opinions
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: about me being a loser on my page.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, go write it on Reddit.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: There's like tons of forums apparently.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: About me on Reddit. So like, just go for it. Yes.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Go continue with your rumors and everything else. Yeah, but
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: my thing that I can control, guess what?
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: What?
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to have you write this awful thing
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: about me and my family. I'm not going. Like, sorry
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: that you got blocked. You're going to have to create
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: another account with a ladybug face or something. They love
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: to do that. Like a zero followers. Yeah. And then
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: they come on and they keep going on. But it
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: is hard.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: It is hard to have the blinders on and it
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: is hard to not let it bother you because I
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: think there's times when you do feel like, oh, my God,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: this episode aired and I'm getting it more now. I mean,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: there should be like a– I mean, some people can
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: handle it better than others. But I do almost think
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: there should be like a little bit of a coach
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: or something that's like, okay. Because now– the way it
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: is now is not the way it was before. even
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: three years ago.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: Because it's social? Or do you think people have gotten
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: overly sensitive? Overly sensitive, but also it just... Years ago,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: they would have to do a blog or whatever. It
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: just wasn't this constant. And then people having the outlets
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: of TikTok and Reels and Instagram and Story, let me
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: tell you right now what I think. And then also
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: the people might listen to you know, someone on another
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: show and then report to you, she said this. And
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: then you're like, fuck that bitch. And you're like, well,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: I don't have time to go back and listen to
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: the podcast and make my own conclusion. Or God forbid,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: why don't I just call the girl and say, why
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: did you say that? Or whatever. but then because you're
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: mad and you're not talking and the reunion's tomorrow so
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: I'll save it and I get all that I get
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: it but I can see that people are going to
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: spin this whole conversation and the next you know there's
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: going to be another rumor of me so it's like
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: it is what it is if you're going to go
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: out and talk like people are going to misconstrued and
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: and and tie it up and do something with it
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: and spin it any way that they want I do
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: think it's important when you have a fact that comes
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: forward or whatever in your life, like it is good
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: to clarify it if you can. Sometimes I just, I
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: don't care. I'm like, fuck it. They're going to say
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: what they want to say anyway.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: I think they tend to get even more mad if
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: I don't clarify, if they don't get an answer. They
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: get upset. True. Very good point. It goes away after
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: a while. It does.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: But also, I think it made me, the rumors that
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: are about me, people are super interested. All of a sudden,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: my engagement went through the roof. Ever since everybody thought
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: I was this terrible, horrible human being, I just like,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 5: my engagement went through the roof.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: I was like, let's go for it. I literally imagined
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: you behind a bar. Absolutely not. And him coming around,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: like literally I saw it in my head and I
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: was like, I thought he sold his business. Why was
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: he also running a bar? The math, the boy math
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: was crazy. I'm like, I met my husband six years
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: after he got a divorce. Six. What? Wait, like. How
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: did this happen? On a vacation.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: I met him in Costa Rica at a swim up bar,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: a fucking swim up bar. Like I was at the
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: bar hungover.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: We're in a pool. He's behind the bar.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 5: He looked a mess. I wanted nothing to do with him.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: He's talking to my friend. I think he's actually trying
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: to pick up my friend. And I walk over and
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: I'm like, hey, he goes, hey, we've told this story
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: a million times on social, by the way. There's actually
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: a video that's three years old that's on YouTube if
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: anybody wants to go dig that up. And I tell
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: this story of how we met. And he actually insulted me.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: Instead of saying, oh, my God, you're so beautiful, you know,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 5: he said something so insulting.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: And I ended up laughing.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: And I was like, you got a lot of balls
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 5: because I could have went left. And he was so funny.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: And he flew to New York the following week and
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: took me on a date. And we started dating for
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: two years. And he would fly from Montreal every two weeks.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: It was a 45-minute flight. And that's how it happened.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: And I got pregnant two years later.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: And what were you doing back then? I was a bartender.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: I was a bartender. Oh, this is where all the
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: facts got mushed up.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 5: I was a bartender, but I met my husband at
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: a swim-up bar in Costa Rica. So I think the
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: rumors were, they just were not accurate. There was some
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: telephone game that got really messed up.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: No, he was. And also, I have a stepson who's
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: 23 now. Oh, great. So at the time, my stepson
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: was eight.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: So it just, guys, math is not mathing. I love it.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: And I love that Jimmy Fallon talked about you. I
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: love Jimmy. Thank you, Jimmy. He understands me. Yeah. So
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: you showed that clip. That was funny. So your name
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: on Instagram is Scout the City.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: Yes. I love that. But if you also type in
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: her name, you can find her if you don't remember that.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: But follow, follow Psy. And are you on TikTok too? Yes,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 5: Psy De Silva on TikTok, Scout the City on Instagram
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: and YouTube. And then Harder Than We Thought on my podcast.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: I love it. Yes. Love it. This is awesome. Thank you.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: I had a great time getting to know you. This
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: is fun. I'm glad that we cleared up some rumors. Yes.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: It's getting hot. It's getting hot in here. Let's go
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: to a bar. Yeah. A swim-up bar. A swim-up bar,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: of course. Meet your husband. Thank you. Thank you. The
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: car is beautiful. Where did you end up going for it?
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: This exclusive place that Donna's Connections with. they have more
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: cars for more dealerships than like anywhere.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: Else you have to put me in touch what's it called.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: It's dune adl where dune adl there's an accent on
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: the e do you mean yes i got it on
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: done deal cars.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: Lift please you're going past oh kimmage
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: No done deal cars you couldn't possibly go anywhere else